Kiwano - African Horned Melon. Growing & Tasting

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  • @abraxashernandez6805
    @abraxashernandez6805 9 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I bought one from a supermarket saved all the seeds.. just for the heck of it threw on my back yard & now I have a baby plant! What a trip 😮

    • @imoffendedthatyouareoffended
      @imoffendedthatyouareoffended 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I spit out like 20 seeds the first time I ate one and put about 5 or 6 seeds in to germinate. Got 2 to pop in about a week. So excited to see what happens.

    • @ahaanhalwai6739
      @ahaanhalwai6739 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love eating Kiwanos even though they taste like sweet cucumber

    • @clintduplechain6942
      @clintduplechain6942 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s awesome! Where do you live?

  • @TheRuthlessRuth
    @TheRuthlessRuth 8 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    you should try it with sugar or salt :) Super crazy nutritious. It originated in Southern Africa as a desert fruit which helped many a traveler who needed a bite and drink :) you can eat the skin if you're desperate but i would not recommended it normally. The whole fruit is packed full of nutitious value, i personally like the membranes that the seeds are attached to, but they don't have any specific taste, I can imagine it to be a brilliant addition to a smoothie. It's great in salad, over ice-cream, emptied into a glass to drink, on it's own, and great over a fruit salad too. The African Cucumber, Horned Melon, Kiwano, whatever it's called, it is one of my favourites. I've never grown it though, so that's super cool to see :D Oh and you can eat it at pretty much any stage of its life. Green, orange, yellow, both :)

    • @Qwinpin
      @Qwinpin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I grew up eating these & i'm from the southern part... I've only tried them with salt but I'll try with the sugar, someone else on another channel told me to try them with vanilla ice cream & i will ☺😋

  • @aliceinwonderland1339
    @aliceinwonderland1339 10 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    *pushes half of the seeds in the fruit out while trying to get one little scoop*

  • @julietecho7576
    @julietecho7576 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I got one of these for 8 dollars! worth every bit. It was delicious, like a mildly unripe banana and cucumber! Also I had a fruit tasting adventure with a passion fruit and they were super good mixed together as well! Now I have two sets of seeds drying out for my next adventure~ Keep up the work with the videos! Now if only I could find a feijoa here in the states! I want to grow one soo bad!

  • @alliixxtis
    @alliixxtis 10 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The crop is a cucumber, its grown in a one or two northern provinces of Zimbabwe, its best eaten while young, that is before the plant start to die and the fruit is still green, it taste like cucumber. this is very good crop and yield is very good always. So you can eat what you can and leave some for drought periods, which is often where its grown, that is were that ripe one is eaten, its very easy to store, and not prone to many disease.... i havent seen that fruit for years, thanks for sharing ....its called mashonja in zimbabwe.

    • @gogophiri
      @gogophiri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      magaka e minzwa in Shona Zimbabwean language👌

    • @carofungai
      @carofungai 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mwari wangu. Mashonja mathimbi(mopani worm). These grow all across Zimbabwe and are called Magaka in Shona.

    • @DeliciousDodza
      @DeliciousDodza 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Kkkk waakunzwa zvimweka nhai. Ndasuwa magaka ini.

    • @jardindedom-mage
      @jardindedom-mage ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Olà 👍🏼 merci beaucoup pour les renseignements 😉 c'est un légumes ? j'en ai acheté un et je vais faire ds semis j'ai une petite chaîne jardin en Algarve 🍊🍌🍋 au sud du Portugal 🇵🇹 bienvenue amicalement dom 😘 et à bientôt 💌

  • @jesseruby6533
    @jesseruby6533 10 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Anyone think the fruit was a LOT bigger before he put his hand on it??

    • @Ashwyndhankhar
      @Ashwyndhankhar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      jesse ruby yes i did 😂😂😂

  • @jonandervrouws1324
    @jonandervrouws1324 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've only just (2 weeks ago) started doing this (Experimenting with seed etc) as a hobby and I'm really enjoying it so far. I just started pineapple from seed 2 days ago and they already sprouted some roots. I'm even thinking of renting some public gardening space (my garden is small)
    Anyways, getting to the point. I would like to thank you for making video's, they are really relaxing, they inspired me and showed me that I can grow tropicals in cold climates too with a little bit of effort.

  • @raappant
    @raappant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We grow kiwanos every summer in our greenhouse. Sometimes they take until autumn to start flowering and the fruits must be picked unripe before the winter freezes everything. The fruits keep ripening in a bucket on a kitchen shelf and sometimes it takes half a year before last ones are orange and ripe. They can be stored insanely long in room temperature. Kids love to eat the "frogspawn" with some added sugar. Just cut the fruit half and then squeeze the insides in a bowl.

  • @jamesgowenloch6093
    @jamesgowenloch6093 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kiwano/African Horned Cucumber can be used as a vegetable when mainly green and a fruit when golden all over, probably would make a good relish.

  • @BlakesNaturelife
    @BlakesNaturelife 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That’s really awesome! I started growing two few months back. They have two larger size fruits on it now. The small horn melons with the flower on it need the Male flowers pollen. You’ll see them they don’t have a fruit behind it. So I used a Q-tip and touched on the male and female flowers.

    • @TheKiwiGrower
      @TheKiwiGrower  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow congrats! Good pollination tip too :)

    • @gogophiri
      @gogophiri 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      did it work have you got some kiwanos now?

  • @missbossy6114
    @missbossy6114 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You're suppose to cut the skin off & then cut it how you could cut a cucumber. No scooping. Depending on your taste buds, you can add salt.

  • @whatever4382
    @whatever4382 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    These grow wild in the sugar cane fields of North Queensland, (Australia), and are locally known as Prickly Cucumbers. We used to cut them in half then sprinkle sugar on them and they were delicious.

  • @blackterror89
    @blackterror89 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video! I bought this fruit today because...it was weird. I cut it open and didn't know what the hell to do. This fruit is not what I expected..all those seeds!!!!!I Was glad to know I could just scoop it out with a spoon. It does remind me of a semi sweet cucumber. I didn't hate it. I had to eat the entire fruit to completely digest the flavor. So in the end, I would probably try it again.

  • @HardyPalmTreesUtah
    @HardyPalmTreesUtah 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    how cool! I love kiwanos! cant wait to see the kiwanos on the plant when they are fully grown!

  • @maorimatrix
    @maorimatrix 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome to see you back wow ive always wondered what they tasted like and was almost tempted to buy one but the ones i saw were much bigger, will deffinately get one next time for a try, please keep your vids coming as you are a breath of fresh air compared to the other crazy stuff on here that i find myself watching lol cant wait for your future vids thanks. #lovegardening!#

  • @dolfielee7717
    @dolfielee7717 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi i'm from SA and this plant you can grow in full sun don't need a lot of water. We call this plant a wild cucumber. It grows wild in grasslands.

  • @warrenlc57
    @warrenlc57 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I read you can juice them and add a little sugar for a refreshing drink. Thank you for the video.

  • @GlitchGoblin
    @GlitchGoblin 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these, they are so good, I only get 1 or 2 Kiwanos every few years, but it is worth looking all over the place just to get my hands on these.

  • @andriesjackson
    @andriesjackson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also eat the leaves like spinach

  • @biancapotgieter724
    @biancapotgieter724 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cut off the spikes ,cut in rings add vinegar salt and pepper or green chilles its yummy it's our snack in Africa

  • @ljherald
    @ljherald 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i'm going kiwanos for the first time this year, and they blew up in my garden. other than that, they're delicious. when they're more ripe they have a slight citrus taste.

  • @GraftingTactick
    @GraftingTactick 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've never seen this spike melons before. Thanks for sharing 💕

    • @TheKiwiGrower
      @TheKiwiGrower  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No worries, they're pretty crazy looking ay!

  • @bettycarter4404
    @bettycarter4404 ปีที่แล้ว

    Takes a while for the flowers to appear. Once the flowers starts you'll be overwhelmed with the amount it produces.

  • @Josh_Green44
    @Josh_Green44 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey, Kalem! Nice kiwano plants.
    Last summer at the farm where I worked, we grew a 12' x 12' bed of kiwano and it was outrageously productive. Ours didn't ripen in time for me to sample (I returned to work when school resumed), but I've heard they're only good when fully orange ripe. We did enter some unripe fruits at the local Fair, and we won first place for these unique melons :-)

  • @zuditaka
    @zuditaka 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You silly sausage! Try the ripe pulp over plain vanilla icecream. It makes a wonderful dessert, that way. They taste divine as an icecream topping. Kiwanos are MADE for going on vanilla icecream. Kiwanos do leave a slight aftertaste in the mouth, but it's offset by the sweetness of the icecream. Very refreshing and cooling fruit. Called "hedgehog" melons in the UK. I think in Australia we should call them "echidna" melons. They grow as easily as cucumbers, outdoors.They're from the Kalahari area

  • @phantomcreamer
    @phantomcreamer 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent, I've got Kiwano seedlings started this year. How long did it take to grow them to this point? Also does it taste much sweeter than a cucumber?

  • @PinkChucky15
    @PinkChucky15 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aww the baby Kiwano looks very cute...and a little creepy too lol

  • @twitchy_bird
    @twitchy_bird 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think it tastes like a starfruit mixed with a cucumber and an unripe banana

  • @dmjones7022
    @dmjones7022 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video, I was wondering did you get a chance to do an update? I grew the kiwano melon in my garden this year and have around a dozen melons on the vine. This is my third year trying to grow this plant and my first year of success. $2.99 is cheap compared to the price of $7.00 USD that the melons go for here in the U.S.

  • @mashakalinkina7207
    @mashakalinkina7207 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Theyre delicious!!

  • @landofBuds
    @landofBuds 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do you harvest the seeds? Are they just
    simply picked out and dried? Or do they need
    fermenting like tomato seeds? Great video cheers from
    California.

  • @andriesjackson
    @andriesjackson 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They grow very easy from seed - you can get more than 100 cucumbers from one plant - just save some of those seeds on paper after you clean them and plant in spring - They also take over the garden :-)

  • @rebeccacornel8199
    @rebeccacornel8199 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    those baby fruit look so cute :-)....nice video

  • @OopsWrongNumber
    @OopsWrongNumber 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love those fruit!!! So good

  • @metalElvalover
    @metalElvalover 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just had one of these for the first time a couple of days ago and it's one of the most tasteless fruits I've ever had. It's not bad at all, just not really much flavor at all. But I cut it in half the other way and just squeezed it into my mouth, and that was a fun slimy interesting sensation. I think I enjoyed that sensation more than the fruit itself hahaha.

  • @gogophiri
    @gogophiri 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    we have lots of these in Zimbabwe. they are very refreshing in the hot weather.

    • @DeliciousDodza
      @DeliciousDodza 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And very cheap. Surprised people are selling them for a lot of money overseas coz they are rare

  • @abinailedit
    @abinailedit 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The ones i found in my local market, were really good! Also very sweet!

  • @andriesjackson
    @andriesjackson 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I eat them green like cucumber you can also cut in pieces and preserve them in vinager.

  • @arunkale2865
    @arunkale2865 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The place look like paradise

  • @GetMikeNyce
    @GetMikeNyce 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey how was the summer in NZ this growing season ?

  • @NorthTropics
    @NorthTropics 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    My kiwano got huge this year! I think they taste pretty good.

  • @Arolic
    @Arolic 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    O Man you are so luckey.
    Plantgrowing is my dream, and you are living it :-)
    I wish I could be you :-P
    Keep up the good work

  • @small-timegarden
    @small-timegarden 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is it similar tasting to gherkins? Of a ripe cucmber?

  • @jojozepofthejungle2655
    @jojozepofthejungle2655 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you better look again at that tiny path. I seen a yellow fruit I think under there 🤔

  • @saitansaniia
    @saitansaniia 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I bought one today:) i loved it!

  • @organicgardening987
    @organicgardening987 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    OMG! OMG! When i saw the before and after pictures, just WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its HUGE! Beautiful fruit, i tasted it once but it wasnt sweet. :)

  • @stephaniesimon3608
    @stephaniesimon3608 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    My mouth is watering!!

  • @huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue
    @huehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehuehue 10 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Don't leave the door to the greenhouse open. It would take over the world in minutes.

  • @tamika0843
    @tamika0843 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi was wondering what month do u plant them???how long do thay take to grow! and when do harvest what month please can u let me know thanks!!

  • @chunfu2
    @chunfu2 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello TheKiwiGrower I've got something that you might wanna try to grow. Have you tried watermelon, honeydews???

  • @AhmedAli-ve1tk
    @AhmedAli-ve1tk 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is not a melon it's a cucumber and we have lots of them in Bangladesh .

    • @Lycantis
      @Lycantis 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same as watermelons and common cucumbers, they are a type of vine berries. All squash like pumpkins and zucchini are also in this same fruit category. They are not vegetables at all either. Most people think of fruit as sweet, but avocados are fruit and definitely not sweet.

    • @uwev.5342
      @uwev.5342 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lycantis k Tipp Opa bequem da äeedgu66

    • @Lycantis
      @Lycantis 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Uwe V. In English please? I did not understand the comment, my apologies.

  • @nettyabbott5412
    @nettyabbott5412 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flavour is a mix, banana, lime & apple, grow prolific in Australia & the seeds are hard so like passionfruit suck & swallow lol

  • @twinkywinky426563
    @twinkywinky426563 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    what do you do with what you cut off of the plant?

  • @ThePaleoAgrarianist
    @ThePaleoAgrarianist 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can they grow outside of a greenhouse in a coolish climate (zone4-5)?

  • @drewdogg-
    @drewdogg- 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long does it take for the seeds to come to seedling? Help

  • @Gg8YRwnc3e
    @Gg8YRwnc3e 10 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    6:09 "Bananary taste" :D

  • @kentpaul8484
    @kentpaul8484 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't use spoon to scoop it out, just cut in half and squeeze it in to a bow. Use a Stand Mixers to loose seeds from the flesh if you don't want to eat seeds.

  • @barbjephson
    @barbjephson 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    They use to grow these in Kaukakapakapa north island NZ!

  • @hq0013
    @hq0013 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    haha my first taste of kiwano was more disappointing than dragonfruit. It's awesome that you are growing this but honestly I had think there's much you can do with a bumper crop of kiwano~

  • @panayiotaryall1517
    @panayiotaryall1517 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Kiwano which we have always called "wild cucumbers"... if anyone can send me seeds in South Africa, I'll be very happy as we no longer have them after a move. To prepare Kiwano, cut both ends off... then stand it upright and slice the skin off all round... then lie it down and cut rings as you would a cucumber... they are nice with salt and pepper if you wish. Thank you for the video... we never knew the real name for them before now.

  • @terceldude
    @terceldude 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you eat these? What do they taste like? :)

  • @ednafourie1248
    @ednafourie1248 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is suppose to grow in dessert like places, not a greenhouse or a soil rich garden. It is a hardy plant. Watch 18 health benefits of kiwanofruit on youtube. The fleshy part is the most healthy. I juice it with other veggies.

  • @sirBR4DFORD
    @sirBR4DFORD 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    to me it has a mixed taste of kiwi fruit, grape and banana all in one

  • @tjbucalon825
    @tjbucalon825 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    we should call it the Puffer fish fruit.

  • @zuzkavajbarova
    @zuzkavajbarova 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice plant

  • @jessicagardner6239
    @jessicagardner6239 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I just bought one here (Canada) and it was $3.49, which I thought was expensive. Where does it cost $6.99?

  • @anglofrancaiseyvonne9349
    @anglofrancaiseyvonne9349 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We skin it , slice it salt and vinegar... Yummy

  • @carpediem.9
    @carpediem.9 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    the 1st time I tasted a kiwano I had the impression of tasting & smelling a cucumber, it wasn't sweet at all, even though the fruit was much brighter orange than the one you have here, it was definitely strange not bad but not very good either :) maybe I should give it another go :)

  • @Qwinpin
    @Qwinpin 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    How long till your plants grew to that flowering stage?

  • @seiyuokamihimura5082
    @seiyuokamihimura5082 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    anyone know why my Kiwano vines winter bloom??? mine are at least 20 feet, I've had to wind, and tuck them everywhere on my fences, there's no more room so now they are running along the ground and over the neighbors fences

  • @momo17083
    @momo17083 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    @ThekiwiGrower
    how long does it take for a kiwano plant to gives fruit

  • @AGMRevi3ws
    @AGMRevi3ws 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    "under here's a wooden shelf with all my pot plants on it". that can totally be misunderstood XD

  • @patrickotte5982
    @patrickotte5982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have one in a pot, and it kept getting chomped on by javelina, and now it’s too big and too spiky for them now.

  • @dmjones7022
    @dmjones7022 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Charlotte, NC the melons cost $7.00 each

  • @witchingsunshine
    @witchingsunshine 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i would like to have some seeds of the african honed melon so i can grow them.

  • @thewildingslanding
    @thewildingslanding 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool surprise!

  • @AKSBSU
    @AKSBSU 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    My first try eating one of these was a bit of a disaster. It was too bitter and not ripe enough. Perhaps it should be a darker shade like the one in the end of the video. Mine was still bright orange.

  • @FourLifeProductions
    @FourLifeProductions 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    IMO it tastes like banana peel and cucumber...but it works. Wish I could find them where I live. Good vid.

  • @ManicMark1779
    @ManicMark1779 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    these are in the same genus as cantaloupe and honeydew, seeing a hybrid would be awesome

  • @candacemccrary9614
    @candacemccrary9614 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    do you eat seed with juice or sepatre??

    • @nyashac4446
      @nyashac4446 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      cut out the thorns, peel the skin then eat everything else.

  • @haydenbrayton
    @haydenbrayton 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet the ones you grew tasted a lot better!

  • @barrycartwright8400
    @barrycartwright8400 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    wow i paid £3.95 for one i guess the taste was all right and i all so kept some of the seeds to try and grow some this year 😁

  • @yolandagarichi7292
    @yolandagarichi7292 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    this fruit is eaten like a cucumber, you cut of the spikes and cut it like a cucumber into thin circles, sprinkle a little salt.. tastes better than eating it with a spoon

  • @erikbielski9370
    @erikbielski9370 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The reason why it isn't fruiting or flowering very much is because its putting all of its energy and nutrients into new foliage. If you constantly cut it back over and over again, they should grow a lot more fruit

  • @tinaperez2577
    @tinaperez2577 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss eating exotic fruits I call them the passionate fruits they are delicious and worth the pricy price.

  • @andalora91
    @andalora91 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    how do you know when it's ripe? i just bought one and am excited to try :)

    • @sabbateus
      @sabbateus 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its ripe when it's VERY orange :)

  • @meatloverdelight
    @meatloverdelight 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to buy one and eat it but i think they don't sell it here in Asia I'm from Philippines

    • @MyMPPM
      @MyMPPM 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      given the accent of the speaker I'm guessing he's not far from you.
      Also, someone from Bangladesh indicated that the fruit goes there in great abundance.
      enjoy

  • @Shemaine26
    @Shemaine26 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    would you consider sending some seeds if i send a self addressed envelope?

  • @xdialga361445x
    @xdialga361445x 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    are you in southern california

  • @conchitagamez3564
    @conchitagamez3564 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've seen these at Albertsons...

  • @mixmaster6226
    @mixmaster6226 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Each seed has it's own section sort of like a pomegranate

  • @jg1019
    @jg1019 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is in the cucumis genus So i would consider it a cucumber.

  • @aaronbkimm
    @aaronbkimm 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It tastes like an unripe banana in jello form

  • @billybobjojackmacoy8903
    @billybobjojackmacoy8903 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    hey I saw those same pods on Invasion of the Body Snatchers, be careful dude!

  • @leavingitblank9363
    @leavingitblank9363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Grass. That's the flavor you're searching for. It tastes like grass.

  • @Arthur-yy7pi
    @Arthur-yy7pi 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    LMFAO watch at 4:00 and 40 seconds with cc on and it says "and lesbo seats just like cucumber" lmfao

  • @MrDanielHawes
    @MrDanielHawes 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hows that dragon fruit growing?!

  • @KyzaMizu
    @KyzaMizu 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I was eating one while watching this video.

    • @momo17083
      @momo17083 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I ate one before watching this video

    • @ingiewingie
      @ingiewingie 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol yup me too. First time trying it. Wish it wasn't so hard to eat cause I like the taste

    • @momo17083
      @momo17083 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      ingiewingie do you now how to grow them?

  • @jamestropicals8262
    @jamestropicals8262 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kiwano melons are Very expensive here in the United States I saw a couple that were $7 for 1

  • @greencity22
    @greencity22 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    LOL for the first few seconds I thought the melon was as big as a watermelon! (first time seeing a Kiwano)