Hello! I'm the Lead Ship Technical Artist at CIG. We will not be able to fix these issues mentioned for Alien Week, but your video has been shared internally and we will be discussing each issue you've mentioned. Thank you for making this video and for posting in IC. Cheers
Nice nice nice. This is what I’m talking about! I play the game every day. Almost! I agree that dropship should have significantly more hull points. I also think ground vehicles should have way more hill points and/or shields. Separate the dimensions of gameplay. Ships should be scared of people and ground vehicles They are fragile expensive void faring craft. Thanks Matthew! Right now, one arrow can take on multiple centurions and ballistas. Trust me- i do it. Ships OP.
Thank you! This reply really means a lot to the Prowler/Tevarin community! Ultimately, we just wish for the prowler to see brighter days. Also please don't nerf this ship in order to buff it. Its situation currently does not need anymore features taken away from it.
While you are at it can you guys please please please give the Prowler its Gravlev functionality. Gravlev has been in game longer than the Prowler it should have came into the game with it, especially considering its irl cost. Also since you guys are working on gravlev vehicle this year the x1. It would be a good time to clear a bit more of the backlog of issues Prowler has. We just want what we paid for, no more no less.
@@endsinvention1390 ground vehicles need some buffer to physical damage that isn't like current shields. They take way too much damage without really any way to tell them boom randomly your roc just vaporizes you.
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse. Apollo Orion Liberator Crucible Railen Odyssey BMM There are also about the same number of major features: Water / Weather Fire / extinguishers Pushpull / Bounty animations Engineering* Flight surfaces / driving rework Scanning / E warfare Maps / QT / markers Habs / Hangers / Roads* Munition / Armor Orbits/ Seasons As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6. They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
@@fourfoxgaming an other SHIPS are farther in than that but dont have mission specific mechanics THUS they are not priority. Especially if SQ42 does not have them in the story.
I second this. Unless all drop ships get the ability to hot drop units from 1000m above ground, they all need a minimum of 80k hull hp or have massive shields. What else are they good for if not being a tank?
Definitely agreed on this point. I also like that the video makes suggestions based on the role of the ship rather than complaining about dogfighting meta. These are changes I can definitely get behind.
Got to try out the Prowler with it being the new subscriber ship, and I instantly noticed that copilot bug… thank you for making this video, and I’m excited to learn more about alien ships
A lot of these issues were the reason why I melted my prowler last year. I remember watching a gladius collide with a prowler and kill it while the gladius took no damage.
Hornets have their lovely black screens to this day lol, CIG don't seem to care for older vehicles. As those are not selling like the new ones would. At least their actions feel like this.
Wow, I had no idea the Prowler was done so dirty. As a Terrapin pilot I hear you with issues that seem to persist forever. And yeah... Terrapin is kickass as a drop ship. I always survive.
Fun fact. Terrapin has more hull HP than a Carrack. And this is BEFORE armor is added in. And the shields can be upwards to about 20,750 shields with two ramparts.
Terrapin only has 2 size 2 weapons, now compare that with 2 size 5 plus two size 3 on the turret. If they would up the hull HP it would make it way too strong unless they drastically reduce the loadout.
Thank you for this understanding of the ship’s issues … and it’s amazing to learn about your experience with your orgs … honestly I almost forgot about this ship
the fact that the turret bug is actually a bug is blowing my mind, I rented the Prowler during IAE and flew it with a friend and that bug occured with them as copilot, but it was so smooth and happened every time that we thought that no this couldn't possibly be a bug, it has to be intended otherwise this would be fixed in an instant with how game breaking and common it is. The fact CIG basically have continued to condone it through inaction is just horrifying.
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse. Apollo Orion Liberator Crucible Railen Odyssey BMM There are also about the same number of major features: Water / Weather Fire / extinguishers Pushpull / Bounty animations Engineering* Flight surfaces / driving rework Scanning / E warfare Maps / QT / markers Habs / Hangers / Roads* Munition / Armor Orbits/ Seasons As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6. They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
The biggest problem with dropships as I see it right now is that they lack purpose. With the current state of the game there just isn't any reason why you would load a bunch of players in a single fragile ship when every player could just fly in using their own light fighter. That not only makes a team much more effective in the air, but also less vulnerable to losing most of the team on the approach. CIG needs to find a way to incentivize the use of multicrew dropships over the use of individual ships for individual players.
Love this, thank you for your input! I believe the next video ill be creating will dive deeper into the current dropship meta. cause these ships are a step up from multicrew, idk what you would call that. exponential crew lol?
As someone who backed the concept for this ship waaaaaay back in the day, I'm okay with the Prowler not being as nimble as it was when it dropped. That was as ridiculous as the Ares: it was THE meta fighter for a couple patches. But it could definitely stand to be more maneuverable than it is now (definitely that roll rate is bad) - Prowler should be real graceful in atmo, at the very least. Maybe they're waiting on the new flight mechanics, but yeah - pretty much agreed with everything else. Good points!
Thank you! Yeah at this point, I don't mind how slow the ship moves. It still performs 90% of my general use and after flying this ship for so long. I can't imagine it any faster or nimbal.
@@fourfoxgaming During the concept, they were saying that part of the stealth would be paired with low acceleration, which yeah - I'm fine with this thing not being a racer, but hoping for a little more maneuverability (for all dropships, but yeah - especially this one)
I had a prowler, but got rid of it due to some of the issues you listed. It's a beautiful ship and i love the red lighting. Additiionally i agree with the drop ship HP buffs overall.
To start great video! This one is hard I'm in the same boat but with other ships. when I fly a new ship I just try to get the feeling of the space, amenities, how it handles by the seat of your pants to make initial judgements. Where this really gets hard is because they have so much balancing and passes to make on ships. They will be changing percentages of shields, armor and ECT. The hard part is that when you are building your fleet you wanna know. What to expect especially when using your hard earned cash to buy the ships. You have done the best thing, look to the lore and what CIG says it should be. Godspeed, we do the best with what we know and have.
Good vid, didn't realize prowlers were in that bad of a shape, especially when you pulled out the cutty steel comparison, I was like dear lord. Luckily we still got the Talon
@@fourfoxgaming In a way yea but also no, cause on one hand we all know how fragile ground vehicles are, but on the other hand nobody ever uses ground vehicles, so I don't REALLY know cause I've never ever seen one lol, so I guess the cutty steel was more like, something I could relate to / understand if that makes sense as for me the cutty steel's rep is especially notorious, since compared to the rovers it's just the health, but the steel has similar wonky stuff like the crewed miniguns damaging the shield of the ship itself if fired XD
The silliest thing about the prowler is that it has two size 5 and two size 3 mounts, but since the 3.14 capacitor nerf replaced power plant power to weapons with magic-recharge capacitors (which produce their own power with passive power-on power for weapons being the only contribution of the power plant), it's had to recharge its weapons at the same nerfed 3000/sec as every ship smaller than a Constellation. It has to charge its weapons with the same power source as a Merlin or Aurora, or even an Ursa rover. This makes the Prowler the ship with the most nerfed energy weapons (second place going to the Glaive and Scythe with two size 5s and two size 1s). You can work around this by using AD5Bs but it's ridiculous that you can have a ship with a big size 2 power plant that can't charge its weapons better than a ground vehicle with a size 0 power plant. (Because the power plant doesn't charge weapons aynmore, it doesn't matter. 3000 charge capacitors can *almost* fully recharge two size 1 guns. There's no hope of charging the Prowler's two size 5 and two size 3 guns at a meaningful rate).
@@fourfoxgaming Thanks. The capacitor nerf is one of my biggest complaints about the game. Basically for pilot energy weapons, every single ship is in one of two classes. Smaller-than-Connie (3000 charge) and Connie-and-larger (15000 charge). Since energy == damage, every single ship has a nerfed maximum potential damage output and it's the same on all ships of one of those two classes, regardless of what energy weapons you put on. Think of it as a all those ships having a 3000/sec dps capability and adding better weapons just increases how quickly they can empty the capacitors, with a marginal sustained dps increase coming from spending more time in recharge harvesting that 3000/sec. As the guns get bigger the improvement becomes smaller and smaller. Since non-pilot turrets have a separate capacitor nerf, that calculation is applied separately for them. This goes for turrets that have the same 3000 nerf (like Scorpius) where the only benefit is not needing to triangle nerf them to charge shields, or ships like the Hammerhead where there is effectively no nerf (1,000,000 charge) and the guns charge at their natural rate. Unfortunately any turret the pilot can optionally slave (like on the Super Hornet or Prowler) exists sharing the same nerfed 3,000 charge as the main pilot weapons. You *can''t* slave turrets like the Scorpius with a separate nerf (that's why people who multibox to pseudo-slave the Scorp turret get 3000 + 3000 but the Super hornet just gets 3000) The Redeemer is the sole exception, where the slave turret the pilot can use is on the turret nerf (12,000 charge). This lets the pilot draw from the standard 3,000 charge for the two pilot weapons and the 12,000 charge for the slave turret. It exists in a class of its own between the ships smaller than Connie and the ships bigger than Connie. The Prowler doesn't get that benefit as the turret shares the same 3,000 nerf as the main pilot weapons. In my ideal world they'd just go back to having the power plant powering everything and that being what determines how much energy you can give to the guns to convert into damage.
Excellent video, thank you for covering these issues. Millenia ago I was introduced to Star Citizen, but it was the Prowler concept that got me to commit. It was my dream ship and I grew to be a Tevarin fan, so this ship has a special place in my heart... But not my hangar sadly. Now I'm Talon pilot haha.
I've been on a break from SC for some time now, simply due to the handling of patches and the pacing of the updates. One of my biggest desires in SC has been to fulfil the role of a Dropship pilot but the state of play for dropships in combination with available activities have acted as a barrier for me.
We need gameplay where numbers matter. One simple and great way to accommodate for this would be to increase the amount of small mineables ores for handheld equipment. Imagine dropping 18 people just to go mining!!! Totally functional for dropship!!! And also including outposts with a small amount of distance in between places of interest. Just enough to warrant the use of a dropship
I hope that the removal of SQ42 means that the development is actually near its end, which would then mean that there'd be a big patch with new features, ships, and changes that CIG kept locked behind SQ42 development, alongside a big influx of development power and money that'll go to SC
@@fourfoxgaming Or let us use specific drop ships for the Siege of Orison event. I'd absolutely would love to see SoO introduce some player ships who can sneak/withstand the barrage to drop off a bunch of people. It is THE perfect activity for dropship nerds to get a taste.
Just last night, a Valkyrie full of people popped in on me while I was farming drugs, it was a very cool little moment that I barely managed to escape from
Great video. Sound, one of the most important parts of video production, was very good and on point. Fair and logical assesment of the issue without devolving into drama or a polarized viewpoint. I think if you continue to be level headed and avoid using clickbait / drama to boost views, your channel will do very well. I especially liked the inclusion of lore in the assesment of the Prowler. Definately will subscribe.
Much appreciated! I had some audio issues that I needed to work out in some of my previous videos but it's all good now! Thank you for your feedback! Let's me know I'm headed in the right direction
there needs to be two types of dropships. One with light armor for quickly droping troops on the outskirts of fights. The second one would have heavy armor to put troops in the middle of fights.
First should be very delicate but has retrorocket drop pods to just throw people at a fight from 10k up. that would make the difference a lot more substantial while each having a place to shine. First would only be able to drop like maybe 4 people in a small ship that needs to stay away from the fight. The one mid size tanky boy that drops a bunch of infantry on the ground in the middle of a warzone. And one that has parachute rafts to throw out tanks like they do irl with humvees.
What about the hover tech that the Prowler is supposed to have. Shouldn't the Prowler be able to skim along the ground like the hoverbikes in-game do just at a slower speed? I always thought that the Prowler doubled as the Tevarin armored tank support during their raids.
i made room for this discussion initially but it started to be a run off sentence. at the moment, there are two different versions of hover tech in game. one version is best displayed by the Nomad and its hovering landing pad. the second is best exampled by the hoverquad and nox vehicles. I dont mind that this feature is not in yet, but im hoping that something like the turret bug is an easy fix, just got to put some light on the issue.
That image of The Prowler on a landing pad was the image that got me into Star Citizen. I saw that image and bought into the game. This was about 8-9 years ago. Still not really much use for the ship beyond that picture I saw
I have owned a prowler since day one, and I think how they had it at release was great. It was a dropship with the performance of a heavy fighter. It could get you down to a planet and be a dropship while destroying any fighters that want to stop you.
When looking at each of these drop ships you have to look at what they bring. Prowler is not a hot zone drop ship. It gets stealth. It's more a sneak in and drop people of unnoticed. If need be with its big guns take out a defensive placement. The vanguard is a heavy hot zone drop ship. It's go in during combat, drop off a team and then continue fighting. Cutlass is a clear out a landing zone. Drop troops off and get out. The valkeryi is a base of operations. It comes in clears a spot and lands. Staying there. These is a drop ship that is missing. I think argo could fill that role. A forward operating base of operations. Imagine an argo raft, under it is a box with rotating turrets like the scorpions. 2 dual size 2 turrets on the side. The raft drops the box off and the turrets rotate to the top. Big enough to carry a small ground vehicle. Like 2 biked or something. Also has jump seats for troops. The box would have Shields as well. Raft drops it off and speeds out of there
I appreciate this video as its constructive, not overly dramatic, and has some great points. Thanks for making it. Also, as a Valkyrie owner, I feel some of your pain. My valkyrie still cant carry cargo, the upper crew area is still exposed in a silly way, and it cant carry the Anvil Atlas series of vehicles. Its a great ship with just some really odd design decisions.
Not really an alien ship guy but happy to sub and like to get you a step closer to monetization. Solid vid btw with a sound argument as well as suggestion for ship updates around the hull HP. Dropships for sure need an update!
I was JUST thinking about this, they even made it this months subscriber ship and it's in an awful state. The thrusters just bug out half the time making it unflyable. And stealth is in the game, well enough for them to do something to assist the Prowler since it has no discernable stealth capabilities at all.
Thanks so much for making this video @FourFox! You are absolutely right on all counts. I have been a Prowler owner since before the nerfs and it just feels bad to fly this beautiful bird right now knowing what it should be. She’s still in my hanger but I’m eagerly anticipate the day she gets her time in the light again.
@@fourfoxgaming ok you convinced me. I’ll pull the old girl out of the hanger again! I hope they let me put a blackguard livery on it some day. The Stormbringer blue is too light.
Well said FourFox Gaming - Prowler was awesome upon release; and a lot like the IONs early release they were the only two ships that felt 'right' on release for me before severely nerfed
very fair ask for a buff! love to see CIG rough balance their placeholder system of all the ships untill we get the actual armor and weapon balances. makes testing the systems for the game better in the long run
I’ve never understood why they haven’t addressed the massive hull hp issues in the game. I know they are waiting for armor, but as you said it’s one value…
Ehh, they typically prioritise ship stats around what values they want to test. Right now they have no dropship gameplay loops, so -- for as fr as I know -- they haven't really touched dropships. I recently rented the Valkyrie again and it still hasn't had a lot of passes other ships have received, so sadly all the dropships have been heavily neglected for the time being.
@@billywashere6965 the hostile bunkers are huge potential for dropships. Load it up full and drop one person at each bunker and go pick the first person up once they finish and leave the turret range.
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse. Apollo Orion Liberator Crucible Railen Odyssey BMM There are also about the same number of major features: Water / Weather Fire / extinguishers Pushpull / Bounty animations Engineering* Flight surfaces / driving rework Scanning / E warfare Maps / QT / markers Habs / Hangers / Roads* Munition / Armor Orbits/ Seasons As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20 By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6. They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
@@Uncanny_Mountain I just wanna land on a planet with my caterpillar without triple checking the engines and going down to the elevator and then back up to move and repeat or forgetting and getting stranded.
in my oppinion its a awesome glass cannon with its 2xs5 guns and turret slaved to the pilot it has potential to hunt hammerheads but its HP and agility need buffing i use a redeemer as a bounty hunter and drop ship and its not getting messed up by stupid things like railguns from players and even if it lost an engine it can still fly ok id get out of atmospher asap tho because it just wants to roll over slowly but yea the prowler needs some huge work done for its price they are asking for
o7 Yeah the redeemer is great. I personally didn't know that it had 102k HP till a few days ago when I was comparing HP. The Prowler is a lot of fun solo but you need to know its limits. I personally don't mind flying a slow potato, just wish it was a durable potato.
Terrapin is the best dropship rn. More maneuverable, only 2km signature, and 110k hp. Love my prowler though, hope she is fixed/buffed. That said, prowler is more maneuverable than you give it credit. Here's me getting under a minute in the old Vanderval track. I'm about 10 seconds off of beating the best gladuis time th-cam.com/video/7lZoZ-uq8hQ/w-d-xo.html
Yeah about that armor ... Marketed even to this day on the website as "Armored" but has less than 1/2 the hitpoints of the valk despite occupying 79% of the area by listed dimensions. But having only 27% of the mass leading me to conclude, that it's "Armor", and also the rest of it, is indeed made of papier-mâché
Thank you for this video. I haven't flown the Prowler but can relate to the hull HP comments, due to the other ships I fly (such as the Valkyrie). Currently, ship shields and hull values are all over the place and don't really make sense. Stealth and Medium fighters have been broken for quite some time too. It's really odd to see that a Valkyrie (which is costlier than a Corsair), has a fraction of the shields. Seems much worse for the Prowler. Hopefully, it will at least get rappel mechanics once the rope and pulley systems are developed as part of SQ42 and need to be tested.
Great vid! I scanned the comments (lazily) and didn't see anyone mention it. It's not big deal, but since you are trying to grow your channel and such I thought I'd mention: "chasis" is pronounced "cha-SEE". Sorry if someone already told you! Good luck!
Never understood changing the agility of the Prowler. Considering it has no ground support capable weapons for the troops to it really banks on the non-implemented stealth to drop off anyone safely. Additionally it lacks a lot of the internal features that other dedicated dropships have such as extra weapon/armor storage or cargo space for vehicles. And even when looking at damage output capabilities the Hoplite has superior firepower /and/ missiles. While it existed at a time were things were different, the sheer idea of just nerfing something then never circling back to it because this or that isn't implemented yet is one of the more frustrating elements of CIG's balance team. Tangentially related but they clearly acknowledged the projectile speed of canons has made them utterly useless yet they only updated the cannons on the Blade so only that ship can utilize them? Then they buffed physical damage but then increased resistance to at least 50% instead of just....reducing the damage by 50%.... It's been a year of Master Modes waiting room so hopefully that addresses issues with the Prowler's handling as well as that with other ships. I can only hope if we ever get to a Beta state that they actually balance things out with smaller, consistent tweaks instead of just big swings with the bat.
Your fantastic with your writing! I wish I had more than one Upvote to give! You absolutely nailed the feelings of a lot of SC meta lurkers. there's a lot of reasons why we should be actively trying to change the balance while we are in alpha. Which includes picking up the ships in low points like the prowler. Thank you for watching my video! I would love to have you on our discord! Fly Safe! o7
Bruh, I tested the prowler yesterday and I was surprised how bad it was, from maneuverability to HP, I was at a derelict and bolted the moment I heard the Cutlass, I didnt even got to sit and fly away, had I known I would have just abandoned and hoofed it on foot. Only flew it again to get to Orison to pick up my C2 which got stored there during a 30k.
What is that paintjob for your prowler, I must have it for mine! But all the points you make are valid, I would use my prowler a lot more if these issues were addressed.
Doing the Tevaran gods work, great job. Good Sir, keep raising these issues. We hope CIG hear this and change these factors to make drop ships far more durable.
I used to be a prowler owner and these issues are what made me melt it and be able to buyback if they ever fix them, I just think they need to go back and finall gold pass some older ships and also finally release ships we have been waiting for years, even if they did this ppl would buy new ships / concepts still
Just saying, they are in the market to make money. Ship sales is the only thing that keeps this business afloat. So the more ships you buy the better they are off. If the game was completed and sold for say $70 they make more from dragging out game completion and selling the "new" ships is more profitable in the long term.
Hey o7. Nice of you to leave a comment! I am gearing up to have a video come out by citizen con weekend. It looks like the prowler turret bug is fixed but with a few minor issues which I think are 3.20 related. I'll be testing it more thoroughly with my community when my school finally gives me some breathing room. Thank you for checking in! I know it's been quiet lately.
@@fourfoxgaming Thanks for the reply! I’ll be looking forward to that video. Afaik the mapping of the lights on the ‘disks’ is still misaligned. Got that from watching TH-camrs running bounties that can have Prowlers as targets now, the latter of which is quite nice. Luckily there are many ships to choose from, but the Prowler is still high on my list. I melted it some time ago to check other ships, until CIG fixes most issues with it. So far 3.20 seems better to me overall. But also many things for CIG to improve. For now I’ll enjoy the current F8C and somewhat ’fixed’ Ares Ion. Oh, and the Herald, lol. That one I got for fun and it grew an me. Not sure what it is good for, but it’s nice in a dirty way. Cheers and o7!
@@fourfoxgaming Reporting back. I CCU’d to a Prowler (to get to a 600i) to check the status in 3.21. Well… for a moment I was tempted to keep it for a bit because of a twin AD5B loadout. However it quickly became obvious there are still too many issues with the Prowler. As I flew solo, I couldn’t test the turret/copilot bug. The various issues I came across, in no particular order, were: 1) You lose the weapon/ammo indicators for the S5 hardpoint in the HUD after QT or external view (not sure which of the two - in any case it is a major issue especially with ballistics). Sometimes you can make them come back if you exit and enter your seat, but during combat that’s impractical. 2) The QT animation is broken and I’d say jerking. 3) It is still made of paper, can’t really survive a missile hit. 4) The dropseats do not work! Which might be a bad thing, if this needs to be used for its intended purpose. 5) The glow for the antigrav discs at the rear are still misaligned. I love the Prowler, but it’s in an almost unusable state. CIG should not sell these tbh, unless they made it ‘concept’ status again with benefits for the ‘pledgers’. I upgraded to a 600i with LTI and that’s that. For dropship needs, I can use my daily driver, which is the Valkyrie, which is such a great ship imho, without issues (it’s no combat ship, nor cargo hauler, but I appreciate the rest it can do). It even comes, if pledged, with a Super Hornet loaner, which is greater value (if still expensive) at $375 vs $440 for the Prowler. Even the Vanguard Hoplite is a far better dropship atm. Heck, the Cutlass Black (let’s not mention the Steel) is a better dropship for a fraction of the costs. For myself I’m tempted to change the Valkyrie in my fleet for the upcoming C1 Spirit (which is about to be released, it’s in the PTU already) and get a Hornet Ghost at the side and still have store credit left. But I’m not sure yet, as I really like the Valkyrie, even as a solo player. Cheers! o7
@@skullhqx I bring good news, the prowler HP got a major 4x buff in one of the new PTU. It sits at 80k HP now. Plus, I think the made the engine a bit faster but I have to specifically test that part out. The prowler isn't for everyone, the ship is for the people who love inconvenience lol. Again, Ive had it for so long and I still see tons of potential. Just have to chisel away at cig to fix all the issues with it.
@@fourfoxgaming That’s good news indeed! Hopefully they can fix the other nuisances as well. This is from SPViewer for the current PTU: Ship: Prowler FuelManagement - FuelUsagePerSecond Main 96.16 > 80.71 Maneuvering 46.97 > 51.73 Hull - StructureHealthPoints MainParts nose 5250 > 8500 SecondaryParts body 6000 > 40000 SubParts rear_wing_stabilizer_left 150 > 4000 rear_wing_stabilizer_right 150 > 4000 ulna_left 1500 > 8000 ulna_right 1500 > 8000 Figures sound good to me.
This doesn't consider the shields. When you take into account that the stock shields of the prowler block 100% of ballistics until theu go down; the hull hp although still a bit low holds up a bit better than one would expect with that number.
100.000 Hull HP is crazy, it makes sense to give some 10-15k HP more to Prowler, reduce cutlass HP to 25-26k and add an extra shield(as the cutlass has space for it). i don't want to feel that Prowler is a P2W, it is expensive because of its features that are not implemented, but again, we can mitigate those not implemented features by giving more HP, but damn... 100K? I am a fan of Tevarin and own a Talon, I want a Prowler and I can save up money to get a Prowler, but I wish it had more utility and versatility, wish we could swap some chairs for some free/cargo space... That would make this ship much more interesting and versatile... The high price of the ship is because of tech that is not in game, so they should offer something to mitigate this, as the ship functionality is horrible compared to the price... Great video overall, thank you for voicing your concern, as I am concerned too I view Prowler as the closest ship to "my" ship, I am also happy to see a Tevarin org)))
I kinda agree, dropships should have one of 3 stats pretty much op. Armor/hp so they can drop under fire. Stealth so they can drop without ever being seen. Speed/manuverability so they can get in drop and get out quickly. Given that the prowler has very stron weapons, i think speed isnt an option, as it would put it into a dog fighter class. Since stealth isnt in game currently, anything listed as stealth should get a temp armor and hp buff which will be removed when stealth is back. Armor being the defacto option, most dropships should fall in this class. If you dont give dropships one of these stats buffed they will never be able to do their job. That being said, I disagree with the ground veicle comparason. Ground veichles should in general have much higher armor stats, as they are litterly sitting ducks. This is especially true for luxury ones they should have very high armor stats. Keep in mind that luxary ground veichles will be carrying arroynd the richest cargo, who greatly value making it safely to their destinations safely. So, implying they should have weak armor makes no sense, and shows a lac of understanding of what luxury means. These should be the best defended veichles. On par with militarry armor. At the same time the most costly to operate, as that armor and manuveravility comes at a cost usually in weight and fuel. And while they use more fuel, the tanks should be bigger to make up for this. As I said costly to operate, but should still be able to do their job. If you think rich pasangers just care about nice looking comfortable seats, in ship made of paper, making them easy targets for pirates then you seriously need to rethink what you would want if you were rich.
Great Video.... extremely Viable Points you bring up... Im looking to by a Drop/APC ship.... Prowler was my First choice... What has been CIG's response to your questions ❓🤔❓... Super GREAT Idea on an Alien Ship ORG...
I remember testing the Prowler years ago and instantly upgrading away from it. Supprised it's still in this bad state. Hope they give some attention to the problems soon.
All I hoped for since the concept design contest was a bed to log out in. If the Prowler had just that one amenity, I'd have some faith in its future stealth role. Without it, it is literally the #1 tragic flaw that always breaks the decision to invest in the rest of the fleet I'd love to build. Seriously CIG seems unconscious to the fact that many players want these expensive ships to be usable as something like a home base.
As a Prowler (And dropship in general) fanatic. I agree with everything said. Granted, I also don't really see a current reason for dropships to exist in the world, outside of RP or player made events (Which are still important). Let us use our Dropships in Siege of Orison damnit! It would be an absolute blast, and a perfect way for CIG to test and check balances for dropships in general.
Nice video, I agree with stage ship having a buff as you explained. However, they said the combat is being overhauled. Most of the changes are currently in SQ42 development, not seen in Star Citizen. When SQ42 is out then all ships will have their stats changed to meet the roles. I believe if they changed things now, it could cause other game bugs. This is probably why they haven’t. Your ship will get its fix when the mechanics of combat are fleshed out. Personally I don’t think a light fighter should easily solo a heavy fighter. As an example.
As much as i love the prowler designwise, i have to agree on everything said here. It flies like a brick, is made out of wet tissues and has absolutely no redeeming features to its name that could somehow justify the price or its kore description.
@@fourfoxgaming Yes, nobody should buy it in its current state, but it looks so friggin cool and its one of the few ships with s5 hardpoints. That alone might lead people into making a bad decision when it goes on sale. Also its not that cheap ingame, so to test it youd have to grind a fair bit, and i can imagine that people would rather straightup buy the arguably coolest looking ship currently flyable ingame...
I remember pledging full money for the Prowler back in 2016. I was so stoked on this, as I always wanted a stealthy ship that could be like my own Pequod from MGSV and hold it’s own in a fight. I have since melted it for other stuff, but I may change that this alien week. 😮
I too do love the prowler, while I don't own one for cash, I do buy them in game. All of your points are valid. I was flying the SotM Prowler and Was reminded that no matter how much I love this ship...it way underperforms. I remember when it first came out, it could take one S9 torp and be heavily damaged but flyable. Nice Vid!
Great video, I hope one day CIG give this ship some love. When this thing first showed up, I had to have it, it was beautiful! I didn't get it right away, but when I did, I was so disappointed. I hit all those issues right away and I found it unusable. Such a shame. Everything about this thing is awesome on paper and one of the best looking ships in game.. but no. And yeah all hull HP is all over the place! Someone needs to align all ships to lore!
that was me initially! at first, i couldn't ever imagine filling up 16 seats so i gave this ship a hard pass. but after the vanguard rework, it still kept those weird size 2's on the nose and couldn't understand why they couldn't just go with dual S5's. once i learned this was initially a 2 person ship with dual S5's, i locked in my CCU chain and its been with me now for close to 3 years.
@@fourfoxgaming I'm a subscriber so I've just seem this has been added as the subscriber ship. I'll give it another go. When I flew it last time it needed vtol to stay up and didn't fly well in vtol so if that's fixed, I might get one and wait, at least it will fly! SO much potential on this beautiful ship, shame its been ignored so long.
Great rundown. My favorite ship is fhe Valkyrie so, I feel your pain a little. I feel the Valkyrie platform can be used in so many ways. Its such a beautiful ship design wasted in one single use. I would gladly exchange my dropship for a cargo variant taking advantage of all that space bellow. The Prowler is in such a strange place. I often felt it could have been designed towards more of a ship boarding vessel than just a glorified stealth helicopter.
You said a couple of times that the Prowler is the best drop ship money can buy. We all know this isn't the case. The best drop ship money can buy is the M2 Hercules, followed by the A2 Hercules.
Nice video. I don't have a prowler. And i don't need a dropship. But i'm with you. The prowler needs a serious buff. And why does CIG don't use the prowler to finally give us some more versatile alien ships. A prowler light cargo ship (able to fit a cyclon) or medical ship would be nice.
It amazes me that people keep forgetting that the Prowler's primary roles is Stealth Boarding Vessel / Dropship. It is not merely a dropship. The Tavarin created it to board large enemy vessels. Do not forget to mention this. Don't let CIG keep this nurf in place as well.
You bring up some good points but it's important to understand that drop ships and many aspects of ground combat simply are pipedreams as of this moment. Until physicalized damage is present we are left with HP pools acting as fudged shields. Since damage and weapons don't have balance yet we are left with a shell of what's supposed to come. I do appreciate the ship in many ways but I'm afraid it's going to be some time before drop ships get the love they deserve. ( I also imagine the team at CIG are already accounting for stealth to be a big factor in the gameplay of the prowler hence the lower HP)
I'd give it better mobility but wouldn't change the hit points, i'd just give it a stronger Phalanx shield. Keeping in mind that the Phalanx shields have no bleed and are directional, it's pretty darn powerful.
Honestly a basic way to make it better would be to give it more physical damage resistance and 1 Size 3 shield, no need to change the actual ship hp much other than increasing it to 25-30k hp
Hello! I'm the Lead Ship Technical Artist at CIG. We will not be able to fix these issues mentioned for Alien Week, but your video has been shared internally and we will be discussing each issue you've mentioned. Thank you for making this video and for posting in IC. Cheers
Nice nice nice. This is what I’m talking about! I play the game every day. Almost! I agree that dropship should have significantly more hull points. I also think ground vehicles should have way more hill points and/or shields. Separate the dimensions of gameplay. Ships should be scared of people and ground vehicles They are fragile expensive void faring craft. Thanks Matthew! Right now, one arrow can take on multiple centurions and ballistas. Trust me- i do it. Ships OP.
Thank you! This reply really means a lot to the Prowler/Tevarin community! Ultimately, we just wish for the prowler to see brighter days. Also please don't nerf this ship in order to buff it. Its situation currently does not need anymore features taken away from it.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
While you are at it can you guys please please please give the Prowler its Gravlev functionality. Gravlev has been in game longer than the Prowler it should have came into the game with it, especially considering its irl cost.
Also since you guys are working on gravlev vehicle this year the x1. It would be a good time to clear a bit more of the backlog of issues Prowler has.
We just want what we paid for, no more no less.
@@endsinvention1390 ground vehicles need some buffer to physical damage that isn't like current shields. They take way too much damage without really any way to tell them boom randomly your roc just vaporizes you.
As a fan of the Prowler, this was a great insight to the negative sides of it that I didnt know about. Great job!
o7 Thank you! Just trying my best to bring light to a ship me and my Org use a lot! Thank you for your time! Fly Safe
o7 to you both for the star citizen insight
All sounds good.
With CIG, I am sure they will address these issues quickly as a top priority within the next decade.
sounds about right haha! its already been in the backlog for 2 years! 1/5 of the way there! o7
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse.
Apollo
Orion
Liberator
Crucible
Railen
Odyssey
BMM
There are also about the same number of major features:
Water / Weather
Fire / extinguishers
Pushpull / Bounty animations
Engineering*
Flight surfaces / driving rework
Scanning / E warfare
Maps / QT / markers
Habs / Hangers / Roads*
Munition / Armor
Orbits/ Seasons
As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc
We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20
By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6.
They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus
They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
@@fourfoxgaming an other SHIPS are farther in than that but dont have mission specific mechanics THUS they are not priority. Especially if SQ42 does not have them in the story.
I second this. Unless all drop ships get the ability to hot drop units from 1000m above ground, they all need a minimum of 80k hull hp or have massive shields. What else are they good for if not being a tank?
^ you just summarized my video. o7
Hot dropping would be so cool, it'd make hostile turret bunkers so much more intense.
@@MinkSignal Technically you can do it now at the occupied derelict outposts.
Definitely agreed on this point. I also like that the video makes suggestions based on the role of the ship rather than complaining about dogfighting meta. These are changes I can definitely get behind.
it's supposed to turn into a grav-lev tank :(
Got to try out the Prowler with it being the new subscriber ship, and I instantly noticed that copilot bug… thank you for making this video, and I’m excited to learn more about alien ships
A lot of these issues were the reason why I melted my prowler last year. I remember watching a gladius collide with a prowler and kill it while the gladius took no damage.
Hornets have their lovely black screens to this day lol, CIG don't seem to care for older vehicles. As those are not selling like the new ones would. At least their actions feel like this.
F in chat for the hornets.
Andromedas are super dark inside, my avenger titan displays cut out randomly, and my caterpillar elevator leaves me stranded daily.
And the elevator on the reclaimer
Wow, I had no idea the Prowler was done so dirty. As a Terrapin pilot I hear you with issues that seem to persist forever. And yeah... Terrapin is kickass as a drop ship. I always survive.
Lol, give me some of your terrapins hp!
Those circular things on the bottom of it are for it's grav-tank mode. Not kidding.
Fun fact. Terrapin has more hull HP than a Carrack.
And this is BEFORE armor is added in.
And the shields can be upwards to about 20,750 shields with two ramparts.
@@nogitsune4452 yup, i know. I cant wait for armor to get in the game. Ill be nigh invincible.
Terrapin only has 2 size 2 weapons, now compare that with 2 size 5 plus two size 3 on the turret.
If they would up the hull HP it would make it way too strong unless they drastically reduce the loadout.
Thank you for this understanding of the ship’s issues … and it’s amazing to learn about your experience with your orgs … honestly I almost forgot about this ship
the fact that the turret bug is actually a bug is blowing my mind, I rented the Prowler during IAE and flew it with a friend and that bug occured with them as copilot, but it was so smooth and happened every time that we thought that no this couldn't possibly be a bug, it has to be intended otherwise this would be fixed in an instant with how game breaking and common it is.
The fact CIG basically have continued to condone it through inaction is just horrifying.
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse.
Apollo
Orion
Liberator
Crucible
Railen
Odyssey
BMM
There are also about the same number of major features:
Water / Weather
Fire / extinguishers
Pushpull / Bounty animations
Engineering*
Flight surfaces / driving rework
Scanning / E warfare
Maps / QT / markers
Habs / Hangers / Roads*
Munition / Armor
Orbits/ Seasons
As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc
We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20
By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6.
They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus
They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
The biggest problem with dropships as I see it right now is that they lack purpose. With the current state of the game there just isn't any reason why you would load a bunch of players in a single fragile ship when every player could just fly in using their own light fighter. That not only makes a team much more effective in the air, but also less vulnerable to losing most of the team on the approach.
CIG needs to find a way to incentivize the use of multicrew dropships over the use of individual ships for individual players.
Love this, thank you for your input! I believe the next video ill be creating will dive deeper into the current dropship meta. cause these ships are a step up from multicrew, idk what you would call that. exponential crew lol?
As someone who backed the concept for this ship waaaaaay back in the day, I'm okay with the Prowler not being as nimble as it was when it dropped. That was as ridiculous as the Ares: it was THE meta fighter for a couple patches. But it could definitely stand to be more maneuverable than it is now (definitely that roll rate is bad) - Prowler should be real graceful in atmo, at the very least. Maybe they're waiting on the new flight mechanics, but yeah - pretty much agreed with everything else. Good points!
Thank you! Yeah at this point, I don't mind how slow the ship moves. It still performs 90% of my general use and after flying this ship for so long. I can't imagine it any faster or nimbal.
@@fourfoxgaming During the concept, they were saying that part of the stealth would be paired with low acceleration, which yeah - I'm fine with this thing not being a racer, but hoping for a little more maneuverability (for all dropships, but yeah - especially this one)
@@DawnstealerGaming Yes! Dropships need just a little drop of hydration! it would go a long way for the ships that are already in the verse!
I had a prowler, but got rid of it due to some of the issues you listed. It's a beautiful ship and i love the red lighting. Additiionally i agree with the drop ship HP buffs overall.
Same
To start great video! This one is hard I'm in the same boat but with other ships. when I fly a new ship I just try to get the feeling of the space, amenities, how it handles by the seat of your pants to make initial judgements.
Where this really gets hard is because they have so much balancing and passes to make on ships. They will be changing percentages of shields, armor and ECT. The hard part is that when you are building your fleet you wanna know. What to expect especially when using your hard earned cash to buy the ships. You have done the best thing, look to the lore and what CIG says it should be.
Godspeed, we do the best with what we know and have.
Good vid, didn't realize prowlers were in that bad of a shape, especially when you pulled out the cutty steel comparison, I was like dear lord.
Luckily we still got the Talon
Lol it wasnt the Rovers that did it? It was the Cutty Steel lol???
@@fourfoxgaming In a way yea but also no, cause on one hand we all know how fragile ground vehicles are, but on the other hand nobody ever uses ground vehicles, so I don't REALLY know cause I've never ever seen one lol, so I guess the cutty steel was more like, something I could relate to / understand if that makes sense as for me the cutty steel's rep is especially notorious, since compared to the rovers it's just the health, but the steel has similar wonky stuff like the crewed miniguns damaging the shield of the ship itself if fired XD
This was great. Hope they can get some people on all the issues. You gave them an easy fix for all drop ships
Hey! I'm glad you enjoyed! Fingers crossed!
The silliest thing about the prowler is that it has two size 5 and two size 3 mounts, but since the 3.14 capacitor nerf replaced power plant power to weapons with magic-recharge capacitors (which produce their own power with passive power-on power for weapons being the only contribution of the power plant), it's had to recharge its weapons at the same nerfed 3000/sec as every ship smaller than a Constellation. It has to charge its weapons with the same power source as a Merlin or Aurora, or even an Ursa rover. This makes the Prowler the ship with the most nerfed energy weapons (second place going to the Glaive and Scythe with two size 5s and two size 1s).
You can work around this by using AD5Bs but it's ridiculous that you can have a ship with a big size 2 power plant that can't charge its weapons better than a ground vehicle with a size 0 power plant. (Because the power plant doesn't charge weapons aynmore, it doesn't matter. 3000 charge capacitors can *almost* fully recharge two size 1 guns. There's no hope of charging the Prowler's two size 5 and two size 3 guns at a meaningful rate).
This is a truly insightful post! thank you so much for this! o7
@@fourfoxgaming Thanks. The capacitor nerf is one of my biggest complaints about the game. Basically for pilot energy weapons, every single ship is in one of two classes. Smaller-than-Connie (3000 charge) and Connie-and-larger (15000 charge). Since energy == damage, every single ship has a nerfed maximum potential damage output and it's the same on all ships of one of those two classes, regardless of what energy weapons you put on.
Think of it as a all those ships having a 3000/sec dps capability and adding better weapons just increases how quickly they can empty the capacitors, with a marginal sustained dps increase coming from spending more time in recharge harvesting that 3000/sec. As the guns get bigger the improvement becomes smaller and smaller.
Since non-pilot turrets have a separate capacitor nerf, that calculation is applied separately for them. This goes for turrets that have the same 3000 nerf (like Scorpius) where the only benefit is not needing to triangle nerf them to charge shields, or ships like the Hammerhead where there is effectively no nerf (1,000,000 charge) and the guns charge at their natural rate.
Unfortunately any turret the pilot can optionally slave (like on the Super Hornet or Prowler) exists sharing the same nerfed 3,000 charge as the main pilot weapons. You *can''t* slave turrets like the Scorpius with a separate nerf (that's why people who multibox to pseudo-slave the Scorp turret get 3000 + 3000 but the Super hornet just gets 3000)
The Redeemer is the sole exception, where the slave turret the pilot can use is on the turret nerf (12,000 charge). This lets the pilot draw from the standard 3,000 charge for the two pilot weapons and the 12,000 charge for the slave turret. It exists in a class of its own between the ships smaller than Connie and the ships bigger than Connie.
The Prowler doesn't get that benefit as the turret shares the same 3,000 nerf as the main pilot weapons.
In my ideal world they'd just go back to having the power plant powering everything and that being what determines how much energy you can give to the guns to convert into damage.
Excellent video, thank you for covering these issues.
Millenia ago I was introduced to Star Citizen, but it was the Prowler concept that got me to commit. It was my dream ship and I grew to be a Tevarin fan, so this ship has a special place in my heart... But not my hangar sadly. Now I'm Talon pilot haha.
I 100% agree I owned a Prowler for a few months and gave it away because it wasn't able to do the job I paid for it to do well
I've been on a break from SC for some time now, simply due to the handling of patches and the pacing of the updates. One of my biggest desires in SC has been to fulfil the role of a Dropship pilot but the state of play for dropships in combination with available activities have acted as a barrier for me.
We need gameplay where numbers matter. One simple and great way to accommodate for this would be to increase the amount of small mineables ores for handheld equipment. Imagine dropping 18 people just to go mining!!! Totally functional for dropship!!! And also including outposts with a small amount of distance in between places of interest. Just enough to warrant the use of a dropship
I hope that the removal of SQ42 means that the development is actually near its end, which would then mean that there'd be a big patch with new features, ships, and changes that CIG kept locked behind SQ42 development, alongside a big influx of development power and money that'll go to SC
@@fourfoxgaming Or let us use specific drop ships for the Siege of Orison event. I'd absolutely would love to see SoO introduce some player ships who can sneak/withstand the barrage to drop off a bunch of people. It is THE perfect activity for dropship nerds to get a taste.
Just last night, a Valkyrie full of people popped in on me while I was farming drugs, it was a very cool little moment that I barely managed to escape from
Great video. Sound, one of the most important parts of video production, was very good and on point. Fair and logical assesment of the issue without devolving into drama or a polarized viewpoint. I think if you continue to be level headed and avoid using clickbait / drama to boost views, your channel will do very well. I especially liked the inclusion of lore in the assesment of the Prowler. Definately will subscribe.
Much appreciated! I had some audio issues that I needed to work out in some of my previous videos but it's all good now! Thank you for your feedback! Let's me know I'm headed in the right direction
Very well done. I'm a massive fan of the Talon, might drop by sometime
there needs to be two types of dropships. One with light armor for quickly droping troops on the outskirts of fights. The second one would have heavy armor to put troops in the middle of fights.
First should be very delicate but has retrorocket drop pods to just throw people at a fight from 10k up. that would make the difference a lot more substantial while each having a place to shine. First would only be able to drop like maybe 4 people in a small ship that needs to stay away from the fight. The one mid size tanky boy that drops a bunch of infantry on the ground in the middle of a warzone. And one that has parachute rafts to throw out tanks like they do irl with humvees.
New AC modes will bring a lot of these problems to light imo
What about the hover tech that the Prowler is supposed to have. Shouldn't the Prowler be able to skim along the ground like the hoverbikes in-game do just at a slower speed? I always thought that the Prowler doubled as the Tevarin armored tank support during their raids.
i made room for this discussion initially but it started to be a run off sentence. at the moment, there are two different versions of hover tech in game. one version is best displayed by the Nomad and its hovering landing pad. the second is best exampled by the hoverquad and nox vehicles. I dont mind that this feature is not in yet, but im hoping that something like the turret bug is an easy fix, just got to put some light on the issue.
Good vid, I wasn’t aware of the issue with the prowler but now I know.
It's currently the ship of the month right now. A lot of people will inevitably encounter these issues on their own
I want other Variants of the Prowler for Vehicle(Cargo) Transport :s
Would it be cool if it was able to hot drop nox's and weapon pods?
That image of The Prowler on a landing pad was the image that got me into Star Citizen. I saw that image and bought into the game. This was about 8-9 years ago. Still not really much use for the ship beyond that picture I saw
Thank you for representing the prowler community
I have one of these, I haven't flown in a while. I didn't realize how badly in shape the Prowler is in.
I have owned a prowler since day one, and I think how they had it at release was great. It was a dropship with the performance of a heavy fighter. It could get you down to a planet and be a dropship while destroying any fighters that want to stop you.
Exactly, it was great but in no way overpowered, one of the most undeserved nerfs outside of the ion.
When looking at each of these drop ships you have to look at what they bring. Prowler is not a hot zone drop ship. It gets stealth. It's more a sneak in and drop people of unnoticed. If need be with its big guns take out a defensive placement. The vanguard is a heavy hot zone drop ship. It's go in during combat, drop off a team and then continue fighting. Cutlass is a clear out a landing zone. Drop troops off and get out. The valkeryi is a base of operations. It comes in clears a spot and lands. Staying there. These is a drop ship that is missing. I think argo could fill that role. A forward operating base of operations. Imagine an argo raft, under it is a box with rotating turrets like the scorpions. 2 dual size 2 turrets on the side. The raft drops the box off and the turrets rotate to the top. Big enough to carry a small ground vehicle. Like 2 biked or something. Also has jump seats for troops. The box would have Shields as well. Raft drops it off and speeds out of there
I appreciate this video as its constructive, not overly dramatic, and has some great points. Thanks for making it.
Also, as a Valkyrie owner, I feel some of your pain. My valkyrie still cant carry cargo, the upper crew area is still exposed in a silly way, and it cant carry the Anvil Atlas series of vehicles. Its a great ship with just some really odd design decisions.
Yeah it really needs an airlock at the ladder, or air-shields on all the openings.
Thank you, I make a script, then review it with my org to see if I have any bias.
Not really an alien ship guy but happy to sub and like to get you a step closer to monetization. Solid vid btw with a sound argument as well as suggestion for ship updates around the hull HP. Dropships for sure need an update!
it s my milsim roleplay too, and the approaching gravlev system fast drop off was forgotten too.
I was JUST thinking about this, they even made it this months subscriber ship and it's in an awful state. The thrusters just bug out half the time making it unflyable.
And stealth is in the game, well enough for them to do something to assist the Prowler since it has no discernable stealth capabilities at all.
This all should help to get this ship fixed up and polished Abit
According to the brochure, the Ares inferno shreds both small fighters and capital ships. The brochure is meant to get your money. Nothing more.
i own both starfighters. They murdered my ion.
@@chikokishi7030 Yup. I still own my inferno because the gun is still fun, but it's been reduced to a novelty.
That turret bug is breathtaking especially considering they sold the ship during alien week knowing the bug was going to be there.
What timezones are your org members in general?
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Thanks so much for making this video @FourFox! You are absolutely right on all counts. I have been a Prowler owner since before the nerfs and it just feels bad to fly this beautiful bird right now knowing what it should be. She’s still in my hanger but I’m eagerly anticipate the day she gets her time in the light again.
It's still fun, but I guess I'm just making the best of this ships situation.
@@fourfoxgaming ok you convinced me. I’ll pull the old girl out of the hanger again! I hope they let me put a blackguard livery on it some day. The Stormbringer blue is too light.
I purchased one today and I kind of wish I reviewed it first. Still, if it gets fixed it will be amazing. Well done for getting the word out! o7
Great video. CIG seems motivated to only sell ships then bait and switch by nerfing them after the sale.
They totally forgot about the prowler. Then it used it's stealth to hide from CIG
Unfalsifiable premise fallacy
it armor should be more like the terapin that can take few hard groung hit and keep going
terrapin is a sleeper dropship high key! o7
awesome video, hope CIG opens its ears to this soonTM
Thank you! o7 Fly Safe!
From Russia with love, mate, just subscribed and commenting to put something to ur fight and make this ship great again.
Much love thank you!!!!! I have a new video in the works! I have a bit of school to tackle first and I should be able to release it soon!
Well said FourFox Gaming - Prowler was awesome upon release; and a lot like the IONs early release they were the only two ships that felt 'right' on release for me before severely nerfed
very good video, so much balancing needs to happen.
Agreed!
"Best dropship money can buy"
*laughs in Valkyrie*
Great video! Some really good insight and suggestions!
very fair ask for a buff! love to see CIG rough balance their placeholder system of all the ships untill we get the actual armor and weapon balances. makes testing the systems for the game better in the long run
It also makes player relations better :)
You missed out the gravlev feature and its ability to latch onto ships that it was sold with and is also in lore.
I’ve never understood why they haven’t addressed the massive hull hp issues in the game. I know they are waiting for armor, but as you said it’s one value…
Ehh, they typically prioritise ship stats around what values they want to test. Right now they have no dropship gameplay loops, so -- for as fr as I know -- they haven't really touched dropships. I recently rented the Valkyrie again and it still hasn't had a lot of passes other ships have received, so sadly all the dropships have been heavily neglected for the time being.
@@billywashere6965 the hostile bunkers are huge potential for dropships. Load it up full and drop one person at each bunker and go pick the first person up once they finish and leave the turret range.
There are about 12 to 14 major ships in the backlog, most of them need multiple systems before they can justify their size and role in the verse.
Apollo
Orion
Liberator
Crucible
Railen
Odyssey
BMM
There are also about the same number of major features:
Water / Weather
Fire / extinguishers
Pushpull / Bounty animations
Engineering*
Flight surfaces / driving rework
Scanning / E warfare
Maps / QT / markers
Habs / Hangers / Roads*
Munition / Armor
Orbits/ Seasons
As well as reworking four or five ships like the 600i, Caterpillar, modules etc
We also know most of these mechanics* (not ships) will come with 3.20
By the time 42 is ready to launch we should already have Pyro and Nyx, bringing the total number of systems to 5 or 6.
They will also have around 1400 staff, and the resources to focus on bringing all ships up to the current standards with the relevant mechanics and features, as well as assemble larger teams to focus on legacy ships that remain like the Galaxy, Perseus, Polaris and Nautilus
They're also changing up 42 material, so it suggests we are closer to the Beta than folks seem to realise
@@Uncanny_Mountain I just wanna land on a planet with my caterpillar without triple checking the engines and going down to the elevator and then back up to move and repeat or forgetting and getting stranded.
@@Falcodrin I guess you could always play the other games with physicalised ships, seeing as CIG is so "hopeless" at it
Right?
in my oppinion its a awesome glass cannon with its 2xs5 guns and turret slaved to the pilot it has potential to hunt hammerheads but its HP and agility need buffing
i use a redeemer as a bounty hunter and drop ship and its not getting messed up by stupid things like railguns from players and even if it lost an engine it can still fly ok id get out of atmospher asap tho because it just wants to roll over slowly but yea the prowler needs some huge work done for its price they are asking for
o7 Yeah the redeemer is great. I personally didn't know that it had 102k HP till a few days ago when I was comparing HP. The Prowler is a lot of fun solo but you need to know its limits. I personally don't mind flying a slow potato, just wish it was a durable potato.
Love the look of the Prowler and thought it would be a staple in my fleet. But holy cow is it broken.
Terrapin is the best dropship rn. More maneuverable, only 2km signature, and 110k hp. Love my prowler though, hope she is fixed/buffed.
That said, prowler is more maneuverable than you give it credit. Here's me getting under a minute in the old Vanderval track. I'm about 10 seconds off of beating the best gladuis time th-cam.com/video/7lZoZ-uq8hQ/w-d-xo.html
Yeah about that armor ...
Marketed even to this day on the website as "Armored" but has less than 1/2 the hitpoints of the valk despite occupying 79% of the area by listed dimensions. But having only 27% of the mass leading me to conclude, that it's "Armor", and also the rest of it, is indeed made of papier-mâché
Great points made... said the Valk/A2 pilot! o7 Have liked and subscribed.
Yeah, I love the Batmobile, but it does need love
its a fun ship! but it can be much better with an extra pair of hands on the copilots chair
Thank you for this video. I haven't flown the Prowler but can relate to the hull HP comments, due to the other ships I fly (such as the Valkyrie). Currently, ship shields and hull values are all over the place and don't really make sense. Stealth and Medium fighters have been broken for quite some time too. It's really odd to see that a Valkyrie (which is costlier than a Corsair), has a fraction of the shields. Seems much worse for the Prowler. Hopefully, it will at least get rappel mechanics once the rope and pulley systems are developed as part of SQ42 and need to be tested.
Great vid! I scanned the comments (lazily) and didn't see anyone mention it. It's not big deal, but since you are trying to grow your channel and such I thought I'd mention: "chasis" is pronounced "cha-SEE". Sorry if someone already told you! Good luck!
Very good video, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Never understood changing the agility of the Prowler. Considering it has no ground support capable weapons for the troops to it really banks on the non-implemented stealth to drop off anyone safely. Additionally it lacks a lot of the internal features that other dedicated dropships have such as extra weapon/armor storage or cargo space for vehicles. And even when looking at damage output capabilities the Hoplite has superior firepower /and/ missiles. While it existed at a time were things were different, the sheer idea of just nerfing something then never circling back to it because this or that isn't implemented yet is one of the more frustrating elements of CIG's balance team.
Tangentially related but they clearly acknowledged the projectile speed of canons has made them utterly useless yet they only updated the cannons on the Blade so only that ship can utilize them? Then they buffed physical damage but then increased resistance to at least 50% instead of just....reducing the damage by 50%.... It's been a year of Master Modes waiting room so hopefully that addresses issues with the Prowler's handling as well as that with other ships. I can only hope if we ever get to a Beta state that they actually balance things out with smaller, consistent tweaks instead of just big swings with the bat.
Your fantastic with your writing! I wish I had more than one Upvote to give! You absolutely nailed the feelings of a lot of SC meta lurkers. there's a lot of reasons why we should be actively trying to change the balance while we are in alpha. Which includes picking up the ships in low points like the prowler. Thank you for watching my video! I would love to have you on our discord! Fly Safe! o7
Hey I was wondering for rp sake with me and my buddies, does this have any weapon lockers?
Do you know when alien week starts and when the best time to buy a glaive is? I really want to get one and if I do, join yall's squadron.
Our squadron does not have any enforced requirements. you can join with any ship you please!
Bruh, I tested the prowler yesterday and I was surprised how bad it was, from maneuverability to HP, I was at a derelict and bolted the moment I heard the Cutlass, I didnt even got to sit and fly away, had I known I would have just abandoned and hoofed it on foot. Only flew it again to get to Orison to pick up my C2 which got stored there during a 30k.
Thank you for actually testing it. Most people here really want to nerf the ship some more.
What is that paintjob for your prowler, I must have it for mine! But all the points you make are valid, I would use my prowler a lot more if these issues were addressed.
Doing the Tevaran gods work, great job. Good Sir, keep raising these issues. We hope CIG hear this and change these factors to make drop ships far more durable.
Great job on video
I used to be a prowler owner and these issues are what made me melt it and be able to buyback if they ever fix them, I just think they need to go back and finall gold pass some older ships and also finally release ships we have been waiting for years, even if they did this ppl would buy new ships / concepts still
At some point they really should the the community right by getting their old ships up to par. o7 thanks for stopping by! Fly Safe!
Fkg Embarrasing😢.
CIG's 'WEAKEST SHIP' on the block. Most Owners 'Ghost Ship'!😳
Just saying, they are in the market to make money. Ship sales is the only thing that keeps this business afloat. So the more ships you buy the better they are off. If the game was completed and sold for say $70 they make more from dragging out game completion and selling the "new" ships is more profitable in the long term.
Hey FourFox, has anything improved in 3.20 Live? Thanks!
Hey o7. Nice of you to leave a comment! I am gearing up to have a video come out by citizen con weekend. It looks like the prowler turret bug is fixed but with a few minor issues which I think are 3.20 related. I'll be testing it more thoroughly with my community when my school finally gives me some breathing room. Thank you for checking in! I know it's been quiet lately.
@@fourfoxgaming Thanks for the reply! I’ll be looking forward to that video. Afaik the mapping of the lights on the ‘disks’ is still misaligned. Got that from watching TH-camrs running bounties that can have Prowlers as targets now, the latter of which is quite nice. Luckily there are many ships to choose from, but the Prowler is still high on my list. I melted it some time ago to check other ships, until CIG fixes most issues with it. So far 3.20 seems better to me overall. But also many things for CIG to improve. For now I’ll enjoy the current F8C and somewhat ’fixed’ Ares Ion. Oh, and the Herald, lol. That one I got for fun and it grew an me. Not sure what it is good for, but it’s nice in a dirty way. Cheers and o7!
@@fourfoxgaming Reporting back. I CCU’d to a Prowler (to get to a 600i) to check the status in 3.21. Well… for a moment I was tempted to keep it for a bit because of a twin AD5B loadout. However it quickly became obvious there are still too many issues with the Prowler. As I flew solo, I couldn’t test the turret/copilot bug. The various issues I came across, in no particular order, were:
1) You lose the weapon/ammo indicators for the S5 hardpoint in the HUD after QT or external view (not sure which of the two - in any case it is a major issue especially with ballistics). Sometimes you can make them come back if you exit and enter your seat, but during combat that’s impractical.
2) The QT animation is broken and I’d say jerking.
3) It is still made of paper, can’t really survive a missile hit.
4) The dropseats do not work! Which might be a bad thing, if this needs to be used for its intended purpose.
5) The glow for the antigrav discs at the rear are still misaligned.
I love the Prowler, but it’s in an almost unusable state. CIG should not sell these tbh, unless they made it ‘concept’ status again with benefits for the ‘pledgers’. I upgraded to a 600i with LTI and that’s that. For dropship needs, I can use my daily driver, which is the Valkyrie, which is such a great ship imho, without issues (it’s no combat ship, nor cargo hauler, but I appreciate the rest it can do). It even comes, if pledged, with a Super Hornet loaner, which is greater value (if still expensive) at $375 vs $440 for the Prowler. Even the Vanguard Hoplite is a far better dropship atm. Heck, the Cutlass Black (let’s not mention the Steel) is a better dropship for a fraction of the costs.
For myself I’m tempted to change the Valkyrie in my fleet for the upcoming C1 Spirit (which is about to be released, it’s in the PTU already) and get a Hornet Ghost at the side and still have store credit left. But I’m not sure yet, as I really like the Valkyrie, even as a solo player.
Cheers! o7
@@skullhqx I bring good news, the prowler HP got a major 4x buff in one of the new PTU. It sits at 80k HP now. Plus, I think the made the engine a bit faster but I have to specifically test that part out. The prowler isn't for everyone, the ship is for the people who love inconvenience lol. Again, Ive had it for so long and I still see tons of potential. Just have to chisel away at cig to fix all the issues with it.
@@fourfoxgaming That’s good news indeed! Hopefully they can fix the other nuisances as well. This is from SPViewer for the current PTU:
Ship: Prowler
FuelManagement - FuelUsagePerSecond
Main 96.16 > 80.71
Maneuvering 46.97 > 51.73
Hull - StructureHealthPoints
MainParts
nose 5250 > 8500
SecondaryParts
body 6000 > 40000
SubParts
rear_wing_stabilizer_left 150 > 4000
rear_wing_stabilizer_right 150 > 4000
ulna_left 1500 > 8000
ulna_right 1500 > 8000
Figures sound good to me.
Completely agree about this video and the hp values that should be given to dropships, and also freelancer needs something.
This doesn't consider the shields. When you take into account that the stock shields of the prowler block 100% of ballistics until theu go down; the hull hp although still a bit low holds up a bit better than one would expect with that number.
Good points well made 👍
Thank you! Fly safe! o7
@@fourfoxgaming Olli43 has a good Prowler video up now discussing the issues too.
100.000 Hull HP is crazy, it makes sense to give some 10-15k HP more to Prowler, reduce cutlass HP to 25-26k and add an extra shield(as the cutlass has space for it). i don't want to feel that Prowler is a P2W, it is expensive because of its features that are not implemented, but again, we can mitigate those not implemented features by giving more HP, but damn... 100K?
I am a fan of Tevarin and own a Talon, I want a Prowler and I can save up money to get a Prowler, but I wish it had more utility and versatility, wish we could swap some chairs for some free/cargo space... That would make this ship much more interesting and versatile...
The high price of the ship is because of tech that is not in game, so they should offer something to mitigate this, as the ship functionality is horrible compared to the price...
Great video overall, thank you for voicing your concern, as I am concerned too I view Prowler as the closest ship to "my" ship, I am also happy to see a Tevarin org)))
Not an owner but going to upvote that bug. I hate to see older ships fall by the wayside.
I kinda agree, dropships should have one of 3 stats pretty much op.
Armor/hp so they can drop under fire.
Stealth so they can drop without ever being seen.
Speed/manuverability so they can get in drop and get out quickly.
Given that the prowler has very stron weapons, i think speed isnt an option, as it would put it into a dog fighter class.
Since stealth isnt in game currently, anything listed as stealth should get a temp armor and hp buff which will be removed when stealth is back.
Armor being the defacto option, most dropships should fall in this class.
If you dont give dropships one of these stats buffed they will never be able to do their job.
That being said, I disagree with the ground veicle comparason. Ground veichles should in general have much higher armor stats, as they are litterly sitting ducks. This is especially true for luxury ones they should have very high armor stats. Keep in mind that luxary ground veichles will be carrying arroynd the richest cargo, who greatly value making it safely to their destinations safely. So, implying they should have weak armor makes no sense, and shows a lac of understanding of what luxury means. These should be the best defended veichles. On par with militarry armor. At the same time the most costly to operate, as that armor and manuveravility comes at a cost usually in weight and fuel. And while they use more fuel, the tanks should be bigger to make up for this. As I said costly to operate, but should still be able to do their job.
If you think rich pasangers just care about nice looking comfortable seats, in ship made of paper, making them easy targets for pirates then you seriously need to rethink what you would want if you were rich.
Great Video.... extremely Viable Points you bring up...
Im looking to by a Drop/APC ship....
Prowler was my First choice...
What has been CIG's response to your questions ❓🤔❓...
Super GREAT Idea on an Alien Ship ORG...
Hey, Cig did respond to my video and I've made a new video on it ;)
I remember testing the Prowler years ago and instantly upgrading away from it. Supprised it's still in this bad state. Hope they give some attention to the problems soon.
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All I hoped for since the concept design contest was a bed to log out in. If the Prowler had just that one amenity, I'd have some faith in its future stealth role. Without it, it is literally the #1 tragic flaw that always breaks the decision to invest in the rest of the fleet I'd love to build. Seriously CIG seems unconscious to the fact that many players want these expensive ships to be usable as something like a home base.
"Best dropship money can buy"
*cutty steel owners cry blood
*one does not buy a cutty "steal"
*we are all on the same team
As long as feature creep is still a thing, these issues will never get fixed or addressed
fingers crossed that the turret bug is an easy fix though! o7
As a Prowler (And dropship in general) fanatic. I agree with everything said. Granted, I also don't really see a current reason for dropships to exist in the world, outside of RP or player made events (Which are still important).
Let us use our Dropships in Siege of Orison damnit! It would be an absolute blast, and a perfect way for CIG to test and check balances for dropships in general.
Nice video, I agree with stage ship having a buff as you explained. However, they said the combat is being overhauled. Most of the changes are currently in SQ42 development, not seen in Star Citizen. When SQ42 is out then all ships will have their stats changed to meet the roles.
I believe if they changed things now, it could cause other game bugs. This is probably why they haven’t.
Your ship will get its fix when the mechanics of combat are fleshed out.
Personally I don’t think a light fighter should easily solo a heavy fighter. As an example.
As much as i love the prowler designwise, i have to agree on everything said here. It flies like a brick, is made out of wet tissues and has absolutely no redeeming features to its name that could somehow justify the price or its kore description.
Its defiantly a tough sell. and with the issues highlighted in this video, I hope the money talks for itself when a ship is neglected
@@fourfoxgaming Yes, nobody should buy it in its current state, but it looks so friggin cool and its one of the few ships with s5 hardpoints. That alone might lead people into making a bad decision when it goes on sale. Also its not that cheap ingame, so to test it youd have to grind a fair bit, and i can imagine that people would rather straightup buy the arguably coolest looking ship currently flyable ingame...
You sir, deserve a subscribe❤❤
o7 Fly safe!
keep the hp the same but increase speed and turning abilities to get in and get out fast
Honestly, it would make more sense if they make a tanky heavy fighter Tevarin ship and make the prowler a lot more agile and loose the weapons
I remember pledging full money for the Prowler back in 2016. I was so stoked on this, as I always wanted a stealthy ship that could be like my own Pequod from MGSV and hold it’s own in a fight.
I have since melted it for other stuff, but I may change that this alien week. 😮
I too do love the prowler, while I don't own one for cash, I do buy them in game. All of your points are valid. I was flying the SotM Prowler and Was reminded that no matter how much I love this ship...it way underperforms. I remember when it first came out, it could take one S9 torp and be heavily damaged but flyable. Nice Vid!
Great video, I hope one day CIG give this ship some love. When this thing first showed up, I had to have it, it was beautiful! I didn't get it right away, but when I did, I was so disappointed. I hit all those issues right away and I found it unusable. Such a shame. Everything about this thing is awesome on paper and one of the best looking ships in game.. but no. And yeah all hull HP is all over the place! Someone needs to align all ships to lore!
that was me initially! at first, i couldn't ever imagine filling up 16 seats so i gave this ship a hard pass. but after the vanguard rework, it still kept those weird size 2's on the nose and couldn't understand why they couldn't just go with dual S5's. once i learned this was initially a 2 person ship with dual S5's, i locked in my CCU chain and its been with me now for close to 3 years.
@@fourfoxgaming I'm a subscriber so I've just seem this has been added as the subscriber ship. I'll give it another go. When I flew it last time it needed vtol to stay up and didn't fly well in vtol so if that's fixed, I might get one and wait, at least it will fly! SO much potential on this beautiful ship, shame its been ignored so long.
Great rundown. My favorite ship is fhe Valkyrie so, I feel your pain a little. I feel the Valkyrie platform can be used in so many ways. Its such a beautiful ship design wasted in one single use. I would gladly exchange my dropship for a cargo variant taking advantage of all that space bellow. The Prowler is in such a strange place. I often felt it could have been designed towards more of a ship boarding vessel than just a glorified stealth helicopter.
You said a couple of times that the Prowler is the best drop ship money can buy. We all know this isn't the case. The best drop ship money can buy is the M2 Hercules, followed by the A2 Hercules.
Nice video.
I don't have a prowler. And i don't need a dropship. But i'm with you. The prowler needs a serious buff.
And why does CIG don't use the prowler to finally give us some more versatile alien ships. A prowler light cargo ship (able to fit a cyclon) or medical ship would be nice.
It amazes me that people keep forgetting that the Prowler's primary roles is Stealth Boarding Vessel / Dropship. It is not merely a dropship. The Tavarin created it to board large enemy vessels. Do not forget to mention this. Don't let CIG keep this nurf in place as well.
I agree that cig does not seem to "get" what a drop ship is.
You bring up some good points but it's important to understand that drop ships and many aspects of ground combat simply are pipedreams as of this moment. Until physicalized damage is present we are left with HP pools acting as fudged shields. Since damage and weapons don't have balance yet we are left with a shell of what's supposed to come. I do appreciate the ship in many ways but I'm afraid it's going to be some time before drop ships get the love they deserve. ( I also imagine the team at CIG are already accounting for stealth to be a big factor in the gameplay of the prowler hence the lower HP)
I'd give it better mobility but wouldn't change the hit points, i'd just give it a stronger Phalanx shield. Keeping in mind that the Phalanx shields have no bleed and are directional, it's pretty darn powerful.
Honestly a basic way to make it better would be to give it more physical damage resistance and 1 Size 3 shield, no need to change the actual ship hp much other than increasing it to 25-30k hp