Things No One Tells You About Starting a Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Starting a podcast might sound simple, but there’s a lot that goes into it if you want to make your show sustainable and keep it running for the long haul. Here are a few important things that no one tells you when you start your podcast!
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1:53 - Tip 2: Don’t Think About Monetization
3:22 - Tip 3: The Magic Number
5:08 - Tip 4: Your Listeners Are Dedicated
6:57 - Tip 5: Have Your Fill of Filler Words
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Episode 266: Things No One Tells You About Starting a Podcast - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
We do a weekly comedy podcast and two things I've learned:
1. Be kind to yourself. Some weeks will feel more funny / insightful / engaging than others. But don't block yourself from putting those out (unless it's utterly unusable). Done is better than perfect.
2. Be consistent. If you've made an agreement with your audience that you'll drop an episode every Monday or every third Sunday, make sure you do. Obviously life can get in the way but do your best to honour your agreement with your audience.
This is so insightful. #1 is so important! I am involved with a group of improv actors/comedians on a podcast. Pushing through the doubt on the tougher days and striving to be better every episode with the hope that it will be interesting and entertaining is what makes Podcasting so worthwhile!
"Done is better than perfect." Have to write it down
I’m secretly happy that this channel doesn’t have a million followers, so I’m one of the few who gets to enjoy this great advice. Again, excellent episode from RODE guy.
I like this perspective!
And yeah...logo is a bit big, right?
As a 14 year podcaster who’s produced somewhere in the neighborhood of 600-700 episodes, I can say all of this is SPOT ON! People have to set the correct expectations when launching a pod and i think this video is something that everyone should watch ahead of time!
14 years is wild! You could probably write a book on what you've learned from all those episodes. 🤯
Would you say it's pointless for us newcomers to try to build an audience through podcasting at this point? I mean, if building an audience is our goal, is it better to just ignore this media form?
The content and production quality of this video is so high! I can't believe this hasn't been seen by more eyes.
I have been podcasting with a group for over a year. This video is exceptionally accurate!
Thanks Grant! It means a lot to hear that- I really appreciate it! I won't take the compliment...for GRANTed.
If you're a beginner Podcaster don't expect people's to listen right away it will take time and you just gotta focus on creating better content for your podcast and slowly but surely the viewers will come
All this is very true. I currently have 3 podcasts. And we’ve been going since 2018 we have a fair amount of listeners but I just REALLY LIKE DOING IT. Its a lot of hard work but I love the subject matter and I love playing with audio gear. Just have fun with it!
When people ask about the podcast their first question is “Have you made any money?”
I’m not sure some people understand that the passion for it is the main reason. Money would be nice but that’s not why I started doing it. I wanted to make podcast(s) with my friends.
How strange- that's usually one of the first questions I get asked to and I always think, "Do I need to make money from it for it to be worthwhile?"
I started a podcast a couple years ago to get comfortable with audio editing. After about 6 episodes I did get tired of it and stopped. But Tom is correct, podcasting and teaching live classes have taught me to be hyper-aware of filler words. My flaw is not so much filler words but using the same transition words when switching topics. Work in progress :)
I do that too! And sometimes I get a transition or phrase in my brain and keep using it over and over again. I have a video coming out next week where I use the word "fascinating" like a dozen times for some reason 🤦🏻♂️
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@@tombuck lol. I used to get annoyed at clickbate stuff. Now it's growing on me. My last vlog I did it too. Lol. Good one Tom.
All this Hits hard. I have been Hosting and Producing Outside the Cinema for over 13 years and like 800 episodes. Like 10 years ago the numbers were killer and over time as more and more Celebs and personalities started podcasting it became harder and harder to get any type of ground. we are lucky to still have a good audience and still love doing it.
Your dedication over the years is so inspirational. I think this goes to show that Podcasting is still worthwhile, even when numbers aren't promising. Your audience is clearly still invested!
13 years is amazing! You've stuck around a lot longer than most, including celebrity podcasters 🙌
@@tombuck so many of our friends suffered the dreaded "Podfade".
These tips are super helpful! One tip
I found helpful was to just focus on getting an episode out and not dwelling on it being perfect. You can get better with every episode:) Great video!
100% true! Love your show name, by the way.
@@tombuck thanks so much , I really appreciate that:).
So many years later and I still have problems with filler words. I had gotten really good about them when I was doing a podcast and a live stream (on ustream back in the day) weekly because I had lots of practice but when my schedule got too busy and I turned hosting over to someone else, I lost some of that. Now that I’m back to doing more on the mic, I feel like I’m going through the process again but I know eventually with more practice, it’ll improve.
It's tough. I think I mentioned this somewhere, but I used to make my students to 1 minute impromptu speeches with no filler words. It was tough! But by the time they accomplished it, it made a huge difference.
I thinkk the single best tip I can give anyone from my experience is to have a list of show ideas/interviews planned out. I would say have at least 10 episodes drafted out so that you will have a steady stream of content. Especially if you plan to do a weekly show.
Yes! This is a great idea. It's also a good way to make sure that your concept "has legs" and can be sustainable for the long term.
@@tombuck Absolutely!
This is a starkly realistic appraisal of the reality for what podcast production entails. One that I would add since you brought it up is on the public speaking point. If you’re a strong and capable public speaker going into podcasting, you automatically assume getting behind the mic (for most pre recorded, non-live shows) is merely an extension of public speaking itself. While they’re certainly related skills with obvious commonalities to be sure, they’re are also extremely different. Getting behind the mic and broadcasting - even with a co-host(s) or guest(s) - is a completely different sensation. You don’t have that rapport and connection you build with a live, in person audience. That emotional symbiotic energy between presenter and crowd is absent. Even if you have a sizable number of listeners who download your show, when recording you’re playing essentially to an empty house. That is not an easy transition to make. It doesn’t drive your performance in-show the same way.
Moreover if you’re an audio-only show, many of your tools as a strong live public speaker cannot be deployed. Your listeners cannot see your body language, they cannot identify numerous secondary physical cues of you the host that communicate a multitude of critical things. Most importantly, they cannot read your face. You’re forced to assess and further your abilities with your voice alone, master the actual story you’re telling, and hopefully enhance that in post with good sound design and overall production quality.
I love podcasting, and I will do it well into my future. But at the end of the day for you strong public speakers out there: Nothing compares with the experience of getting up before a full house. Podcasting is a whole different grind.
This is a great point! Especially what you said about certain in-person public speaking skills not transferring directly to an audio only format.
Great video Tom. Thank you. Aside from the very relevant points you shared, I especially appreciate your natural demeanour, the clarity of your thought stream (yes, the lack of filler words), and your enthusiasm for the subject, Keep up your great work. 👍
You have read my mind!!! I have literally been researching this stuff today.
Love your stuff Tom ❤️
I'm so glad it was helpful!
Filler words - life long affliction indeed! I hear them everywhere, ahhhhh! So appreciative of the insight Tom.
I’ve personally found that podcasting also helps with active listening skills if you have more than one voice on an episode. Did you actually hear what the other person said, or were your ears just listening and waiting for your turn to speak?
Good stuff Tom! 🤘🏼
I laughed when he said you can see what one looks like on the editing process. Me for sure however hasn’t improved my ability to stop using ummmm them!!
Active listening, yes! Being a good host or interviewer definitely means going beyond just waiting for your turn to speak next.
I use filler words when I'm caught off guard or trying to add something that I didn't write down
Great video Tom! Love everything about your channel. Always great production value with on point info.
It means a lot to hear that, thank you very much! 🙌
Thanks Tom. I've been following you for a while for your mic and audio equipment reviews, and then I came across this episode of yours just as I started my new podcast and your thoughts and learnings are greatly appreciated!
I'm so happy to hear that! Thanks for all the support and best of luck with your show!
❤️. Man you have your finger on the pulse of everything!! You are the best. Thank you for this!! Needed this.
I'm so glad to hear it! Hopefully it's helpful for you!
@@tombuck you have no idea my friend. Thank you for all your advice
Amazing video Tom! Lots of great advice and tips! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I'm glad it was helpful!
Good stuff....Thank you so much for the tips! I was encouraged to "just get started" but none of them told me these things before hand - some of it has been overwhelming but I enjoy live video, still learning and looking forward to starting Season 2 with improvements!!!
I'm glad it was helpful! "Just get started" is a good concept, but it's tough if there's no guidance beyond that.
So happy with this episode! I wondered for the longest time, how my podcast was doing. With an average of 80 downloads in the first 7 days, not to bad :-) I never knew. 34 episodes in and thoroughly enjoying it. Admitting we had a year break…Thanks for sharing.
80 is SUPER good! You should definitely be pleased with that.
@@tombuck Love your content keep up the great work!
I’m doing my 50th podcast episode this week. It’s been a journey! Its been so cool to see the growth, but I’d do it if no one was listening and I think that’s the key to my consistency.
Wow! Congratulations that’s awesome! Sounds like you’re definitely doing it for the right reasons. 👏
I isll support you Ronnie. One like coming your way.
Thanks Tom! You've become my go-to recourse for podcast info. Launching soon!
I’m so honored to hear that! Good luck with your show!
Great advice (as usual) and things to consider. I feel like podcasting successfully (meaning long term) requires a mindset gong in and hopefully a momentum develops once it becomes routine. I’m really, really hoping for that momentum thing!
Yep, I agree! A lot of it is just you getting out of your own way, and working to make a sustainable workflow.
Omg Tom, I had no idea you did a podcast! (Probably my bad for not reading... Doh). I subbed. You can never get enough Tom Buck enthusiasm (or dad jokes)!
I'm not the best at marketing, so it's undoubtedly my fault 😁
Wow! THIS hit home soooooo much!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU Tom!!
I’m happy to hear that Lisa!
Great advice I’m glad to hear these Do’s and Don’ts we really appreciate you.
I'm really happy to hear that! Of course, all of my "tips" are just from my own experience, so they're not the laws of the universe of anything.
Gracias! desde Puerto Rico!.... Thanks, Tom, for your great content... even your puns and jokes! I'm a podcaster from San Juan, Puerto Rico. I love your content and it's really useful. I love this video, specially when you talk about filler words. I'm a Toastmaster and am growing my public speaking mentor business. And i love the way you explain filler words ("muletillas" in Spanish, which can be translated to little crutches). I launched my podcast in March 2018 to practice and improve my speaking/communications skills. And yes, the practice creating a podcast really works! So far, my podcast has won two Latin Podcast Awards (2020, 2021) in the Self-improvement category. Even though the downloads are not great yet, there many other benefits from my podcast. Keep up your great work! Love your videos!
Ahh Toastmasters! I've always heard great things about the organization and the skills would definitely transfer directly to podcasting!
Hello, Mr. Buck! Thanks for the fantastic class!
The subtle RAP in the introduction was very nice!
Sorry for the bad bad english
Your English is excellent! Thank you for the kind words!
All amazing advice. Currently I vtube on twitch and my audience is slowly growing. After half a year, it brings in pocket change which goes back into my streams. Keep on pushing and have fun with it. Some people are lucky off the bat but content creation is a marathon not a sprint.
Definitely a marathon and not a sprint! Good luck on Twitch- I think the idea and technology behind vtubing is fascinating. Hopefully you're having a ton of fun with it!
Excellent info - thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for these awesome and practical tips.
Love this!!l Sending this to all of my friends who want to start podcasting or already have one!
Nice! Hopefully they get something useful from it!
Really good stuff as always I mostly work as a editor for other TH-cam channels & podcasts with a few commercial gigs here and there but love ur insights and would love to pick ur brain 🧠. Keep up the good work
I'm happy to hear that! It must get tricky editing for others and trying to fit their creative tones/meet expectations/etc.
@@tombuck ya a good grasp on clients creative vision is definitely needed but since i was my first and worst client it actually is easier for me to make content for others than myself .
Love this, "don't think about monetization" applies to SOOO many things, great tips Tom!
Yes! I feel like starting a creative project with the goal of some form of monetization is almost setting yourself up for failure.
@@tombuck Yup, I'm guilty of it in the past. Takes the "soul" out of what you're doing if that makes any sense, audience feels it, you lose joy for what you're doing, eventually causes it to fail (in my experience).
Ayeah! Thanks Tom for the reminders we tend to forget!
Hopefully it's helpful!
I guess you are responsible for getting me interested in podcasting and sound. I got the Rodecaster and a smb7 last week. And PSA1 and cables 🤗 probably more than I need, but I usually loose so much on upgrading after a short period. Thanks for all your advice👍🏻
I'm honored to be a small part of your podcasting journey! That sounds like an awesome setup that will definitely grow with you over time.
Great insights especially the stats. Thanks Tom! ❤️
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for all you information and all your tips
You’re welcome!
Tom, you deserve a way bigger audience. Your videos are insanely polished and really helpful for a fellow creater. I can definitely relate to that feeling that podcasting is slow. I am getting about 1-2 subscribers a day now on TH-cam, but after 6 months only have 50 dedicated listeners to my podcast.
Thanks for the encouraging words! 50 dedicated listeners is pretty great- imagine being in a room filled with 50 people! Or maybe don’t because that could be nerve wracking 😬
This was quite informative. Thank you.
You're very welcome!
Awesome stuff as always 👏🏾
I really appreciate that!
Such an underrated channel. I just binge watched like 10 videos lol which helped me finalize my podcast set up.
Oh wow! This absolutely makes my day to hear. Thank you! 🙏
I really need to up my brand profile then. Solo show, no advertising and kinda blown away with where I am. 2 years since launch, daily downloads over 10,000 every day! Hmmm....
That's absolutely wild! You should be proud 🙌
Filler words called auditory pause. brilliant show
Thanks, Tom -- I really needed to hear this. ✌🏼
I’m happy to hear that Sam! Always good to know the videos are helpful.
@@tombuck I appreciate you.
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Thank you so much! It's a constant work-in-progress 😁
I’m not planning to start a podcast anytime soon but this was incredibly helpful. What a great video, Tom
Thanks Leo! A lot of this overlaps with the world of TH-cam too 👍
Filler words are so tough!!! Great advice!!!
Yeah, um, you know, you just kinda, like, wanna...uh, reduce filler words 'n stuff.
Inspiring Video Tom.
Great advice. Recorded our first episode with my new Rodecaster Pro! Wow! Im blown away how easy it was to use. I am sure I will make some tweaks to make it even better. I appreciate your advice Tom! Keep doing what you’re doing! -Marty
I just saw your email, that's awesome! You really reminded me of when I got my RCP and did the first recording with it. It was so far beyond anything I had done up to that point that it was incredibly exciting.
@@tombuck please, you never need to feel like you have to respond… I just got a little excited 😂
That rhyme sequence was epic. Carried it through farther than I thought you could 😂
Great one Tom!
Glad you enjoyed it
Love this!
Great info Tom!
Bravo! Nailed it.
Thank you!
One of your best videos so far - thanks a lot for the tips and tricks :-)
Wow, thank you! It means a lot to hear that the video was so helpful.
Hi Tom, great video and advices, I did a few podcast and trying to make it again, thanks.
Good luck! Hopefully this helps a bit. 👍
I do not personally do podcasts, but I have started recording youtube videos. I found this video helpful still. Especially the part about speaking. Thank you for this!
A lot of the skills overlap for sure! I’m happy that the video was helpful for you 🙌
Great info, thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic tips! 👏👏👏💪
I'm on episode 8, right now. 👍
Woo hoo! Past that magic number! 😁
My podcast: Take It EV , has no schedule, and we def had more than 7 episodes already. So I'm guessing we're good :) Btw, switched over to Rodecaster Duo now, so I'm going to sound even better. Hi Tom from 2 years ago.
Just aa thought. One thing I was told many years ago in radio was to avoid dead air at all costs because someone will go right past the station if nothing is heard. I suspect that kind of mindset is behind the massive overflow of "filler words" among TH-camrs as well as podcasters. We are scared of not having any audio. So, my suggestion for avoiding filler words is do not be afraid of silence.
Thank you!
Spot on with filler words and I also avoid filler cliches such as "So at the end of the day" etc. Take a breath and move on.
Yes, cliche's can definitely be just as bad! Once you notice them, it becomes tough to ignore them.
I’m only at 4 episodes with my podcast and the points you made here are so accurate!!
4 Episodes is awesome! Here's to you making it past that 7 episode milestone 🙌
Great advice.
This is fast becoming my favourite channel
This is quickly becoming my favorite comment!
Great episode and advice 👏👍😎
Thank you Joe!
Um, yeah, I think this was like really helpful and stuff. I agree, totally, about filler words. It is my kryptonite... Well done and awesome info, as always!
Yeah, it's umm like a really kinda importing thing to like work on and stuff. Like, you know, whatever.
I love you man. You always say the right things. I am at this point in my podcast. I have the Rodecaster Pro, but i still need to encourage myself to record. I thought the Rodecaater will make it automatic.
Ahh shucks, it means a lot to hear this, thanks Richard!
A good tip for getting over that initial fear phase is to record something that you don’t plan to actually release. Just go through the process and get used to everything. And heck, who knows, by the end you might even have something that you DO want to release 🤷🏻♂️
@@tombuck thanks for tbe reply Tom. I'll work on that.
@@tombuck How do I get the reverb settings on Rodecaster Pro. I use the 2.1.2 firmware... thank you very much
Great video mate !!
Thanks Ash! Means a lot coming from a pro podcaster such as yourself 🙌
@@tombuckyour making me blush mate 😂🙏
Good information as always
Thank you!
I've just recently started to edit out my filler words on my videos...lots to edit! I say, SO, AND, AND OK way to much. I've also started to edit out deep breaths I take during voice overs. Cool you talked about public speaking. I think ppl think if your a youtuber your a good public speaker; it's a crippling fear of mine! I've been considering doing a podcast and actually have a pretty solid idea for one but the public speaking part 🤔. Good to know it helps overcome that fear. Thanks Tom
Public speaking is tough, but it's definitely possible to overcome it. You might have seen it in one of my old videos, but when I started teaching I had to order these special sweat pads to stick in my shirts because I'd get so nervous I'd just start sweating like crazy. 😁
I wore them every day, but sometime during my second year I realized I didn't need them anymore and that somehow I had just gotten comfortable with everything.
@@tombuck I did see that one. It was cool you being so open at how uncomfortable you were. I guess just like anything, we can adapt and overcome.
Great info!
TH-cam is kinda the same way. A lot of people start a channel and have the mindset that they are going to be able to quit their day job and go full time.
TH-cam is more of a long game than a sprint.
Years ago I developed a bad habit on radio by using VOX. I started just about every sentence with UMM to key the radio so it didn’t clip the first word.
Of course there wasn’t any playback for me to hear it myself. Thankfully a friend pointed it out to me.
Yep 100% It reminds me of that saying that goes something like, "most overnight successes are years in the making."
@@tombuck exactly!
Thanks for explaining.
It's easier for you people to say than myself.
TOM !! are you saying that my megalomaniac idea of making oodles of cash from my fantastic idea of a podcast about underwater ironing of shirts is potentially not as easy as I thought it would be ? Damn it ... goes back to the drawing board ...
In YOUR case, that idea will guarantee untold riches. 💰
Everything you mentioned is so true! My podcast reached 10 episodes, so I will go buy myself a beer and celebrate 🎊 🍺
Congrats! You definitely deserve to celebrate, especially in the world of "content creation" where it can feel like you'r just supposed to keep going and going. Don't let those milestones go unnoticed!
Where did you get the blue mic screen? Not sure what it is called.
reporterstore.com 👍
@@tombuck thanks!
Great video thanks
Glad you enjoyed it!
I love these tips. Thank you! It makes me feel a lot better about how my podcast has been going so far. I am stopping the video version of my podcast for the time being and focusing solely on audio. What do people think about that?
That's an interesting question. It probably depends on your audience. Personally, I think video podcasts are tricky for a few reasons:
1. There's no denying that video is here to stay and being able to add your show to TH-cam can definitely help increase its reach.
2. Video adds so much more to your workflow, which in a lot of cases, can make a show much tougher to produce
3. Even when people prefer video podcasts, they still tend to mainly listen and glance at the screen every so often. So that means you put in a lot of work for something that may or may not really be worth it in the end.
🤷🏻♂️
@@tombuck Thanks for the reply. It gives me a lot to think about! Keep up the great work!
Another excellent video good sir
Thanks Joel!
I already noticed my filler words and the sound spikes in the timeline with editing videos for my TH-cam channel. Lol ugh it sucks it’s soo bothersome. Thanks for the tips. Great video
Those filler words can be so frustrating! Sometimes I’ll also randomly get a phrase in my head and then say it repeatedly in an episode without realizing it 🤦🏻♂️
All facts!
Tom, great video! Can you link me to the blue windscreen that you’re using on the SM7B?
It’s from reporterstore.com 👍
"...but...I'm not..bitter." LOL 🤣
Another brilliant and real video is it ok to leave a couple of filler words and not cut them all out?
I have been podcasting with a group of improv comedians/actors for over a year now. I've also found myself on the battleground against filler words! Here's what I've discovered.
Filler words can have a very tasteful presence when they serve a purpose. If the use of the filler word (like "um" or "uh") is used to emphasize a certain feeling, pacing, or point, then it's absolutely okay, and perhaps even encouraged! For example, if somebody asks you a silly question, and you would like to make a sassy remark, then saying something like "Uhh, of COURSE I think that," could very well be more interesting than simply saying the statement alone.
In general, I stay away from filler words, since it's common to use filler words as a crutch in improv. Learning how to use fewer words that are more profound is an extremely useful skill in any area of entertainment. With that in mind, "um" and "uh" CAN, in fact, add to the profound nature of a statement if they serve a purpose.
I hope this helps!
Great point! It's also why some shows like Bob's Burgers seem so funny- because the character's stutter and use filler words from time to time.
I've gotten to the point where now, if I use a filler word in real life, I'm so used to editing one out in software that I visually see myself removing it on a screen as I'm saying it, and sometimes that alone is enough to make me choke on the word as it comes out of my mouth.
This reminds me that yesterday Heather tried to pinch and zoom to enlarge text in a book. Our digital habits definitely affect our regular lives 😁
The part where you can notice filler words just by looking at the wave form is sooooooo true
It's a weird but useful superpower to develop 😁
It's incredibly awkward talking to yourself. I sounded flat for months. Pretending to talk to somebody didn't work for me; I just grew out of it.
Super true. It all comes down to practice! I just rewatched a video from a few years ago that I remember being super proud of, and I swear I sound half asleep in it.
This was a great video
Thanks Harrison!
Good morning,
I'm currently looking for a better mixing alternative. I'm using the MG12XU and set it up in a way that I have different lanes for my mic, music, games, discord but this gets unruly with the number of cables going from my PC to the Mixer.
I saw you are a great fan of the RodeCasterPro which basically has every feature I want (I don't use FX at all) and you've got a few videos on it. But so far I haven't found any information on actually using this device and enable usb input routing. So that I can split mic, music, games, discord on different lanes to adjust them with the physical sliders without the need for tons of different Cables and DI-Boxes.
The RCP is awesome, but only has one USB input/output. I've got an entire playlist with a ton of videos about it and it's one of my favorite tools ever. I run it through Ecamm live and then sometimes use Loopback to add in difference system audio sources if I need them.
Thanks for that really fast reply. :3
That's quite unfortunate. I really like how the rest of that device works. Guess I'll have to patiently wait for Rode to make a comparable device with twoway-multitrack-support or for them to somehow patch it onto the RCP.
Great work and editing on these videos btw and keep the dadjokes rolling!
Nice, where did you get that color foam cover for your 7B mic?
reporterstore.com 👍
@@tombuck Thank you buddy
Would be great to hear how you acoustically treated your room?
I have a video about that from several months ago that covers the basics. Since then I did purchase two acoustic panels form acoustimac.com that have really helped. One if on the wall that I face when speaking and the other is above me on the ceiling.
@@tombuck nice. Did that help with noise also?
Yo what’s up with the puns? Love them, my favorite puncaster.
"Puncaster" I like it!
I haven't posted a podcast episode in 5 months I have been so focused on med school and my youtube channel that I have sorta neglected my podcast sadly. Luckily my show is known to have breaks as I'm the one writing and scripting them and I never made a weekly show
Life happens! Hopefully you’ll be able to get back on your podcast soon, but I’m sure med school is crazy demanding!
I apologize if this is in the description and I just couldn't find it, but where did you get the blue windscreen for your Shure SM7B?
It's from reporterstore.com 👍
As someone who only made it 4 episode in the hard part is finding the time to record around 3 kids, work and keeping a house clean.
The life/podcast balance is tough! 4 episodes with 3 kids is still pretty darn impressive 🙌