Such a brilliant solution for introducing progression. If I am not mistaken, KTM's motocross models are equipped with a linkage system, so my undeducted guess would be, that the PDS is limited to a certain degree? Or maybe the characteristics are just favorable for motocross? Thanks for the video and thanks for continuing to educate the community!!!!!
True indeed! Yes, that's pretty much it. For enduro, the PDS can still deal with the range of compression speeds without linkage, but increasing that compression speed range, the linkage provides much better progressivity and the shock keeps a more stable performance throughout the demand. And I appreciate mega supporters like you Ariel!! 🙌 you never skip a video 👌😁
Also Ktm engineers actually said they can get their pds shock to perform the same as a linkage shock and be lighter but people were hesitant since every one else had linkage so they adopted linkage
We are building those courses at this moment! However, if you need help or support in learning about valving, we offer 1-on-1 technical sessions available online 💪 stepstopodium.com/technical-sessions/
Looks just like a Huck valve? I have definitely decided on the Lucky cartidges for my 2022 KTM 500 EXCF, but my greatest challenge are simple washboards on the dirt roads I ride between trails. At 63, my lower back ain't what it used to be. If I do not stand the entire time, my back takes a pounding on washboards. I am wondering if the National shock in the rear might help this, or just a simple re-valving of my stock WP?
Exactly! Well, that's a very specific complaint, so it might be solved with a proper revalve. Actually I'm waiting for a national shock to arrive so I'll be able to share my thoughts on in as well 🫡
Thanks a lot for this. Very nice. Tho I think yourself you don’t use PDS? Would you do another video explaining how linkage works and what advantages it gets you?
Thank you vladimiro! I don't use it because my sole focus isn't Hard Enduro. I already have a video explain the linkage function on the traditional shock video 😉💪
vladimiro sassone yeeess, actually I'm really into doing hella lot of miles atm. This summer I want to clock more than 300km in a day of rally style riding
@@StepstoPodium and linkage is better for rallies because…? Absence of obstacles? High speeds? Occasional jumps? … (starting to think about my next bike, so is it going to be linkage or pds? hmm not sure at all…)
vladimiro sassone linkage is better for higher speed riding since you can squeeze more out of the shock for the same shock stroke. Again, although the PDS can withstand and EnduroGP style riding, you can have a more versatile performance with linkage for faster riding.
Sole purpose of KTM PDS is the reduction of manufacturing cost. You save all the linkage, axles and bushings, because you do not really need much of the progression. Basically, PDS is doint the same as the rubberblocks by entering additional resistance. If you switch on your brain (instead of copying marketing BS), you will see the big gap between engine/fram and the rear wheel. A great place to get hooked on an obstacle without much of traction to get free again. Here, the linkage provide a much smoother are to glide and touch the wheel at a much better angle to get traction. In general, WP is a terrible company with the only purpose to have cheap inhouse suspension parts (and control). Nothing is left of the former White Power company (now Tractive), but it's Brand name "WP".
Every suspension technology is a trade-off of pros and cons, even the most widely accepted ones. Also, don't forget that the OEM and PRO line are really different, so we cannot compare both and expect one to behave or perform the same way as the other. Regarding the PDS, I would agree that it does not perform as linkage shock, but the truth is that Josep Garcia is fighting for the title in EnduroGP with a PDS. If the PDS would underperform so much, he as an athlete would not be able to compensate the technological disadvantage and would lag behind big time. And to be honest, there's a threshold on how much they can put inside Josep's shock that differs from what mortals can access.
Too black&white as a comment. There’s manufacturing savings but also maintenance savings. There’s a gap between engine and rear while as you say, but putting a linkage there to be smashed is prob not the best way to get traction, is it.
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Such a brilliant solution for introducing progression. If I am not mistaken, KTM's motocross models are equipped with a linkage system, so my undeducted guess would be, that the PDS is limited to a certain degree? Or maybe the characteristics are just favorable for motocross? Thanks for the video and thanks for continuing to educate the community!!!!!
True indeed!
Yes, that's pretty much it. For enduro, the PDS can still deal with the range of compression speeds without linkage, but increasing that compression speed range, the linkage provides much better progressivity and the shock keeps a more stable performance throughout the demand.
And I appreciate mega supporters like you Ariel!! 🙌 you never skip a video 👌😁
Also Ktm engineers actually said they can get their pds shock to perform the same as a linkage shock and be lighter but people were hesitant since every one else had linkage so they adopted linkage
Sei bravissimo e chiarissimo! Una bellissima sorpresa il tuo canale! Congratulazioni!!!!! I’m not traslating
Grazie mile! 😄🙏
Do you have a complete MX suspension valving, tuning, etc seminars/courses?
We are building those courses at this moment! However, if you need help or support in learning about valving, we offer 1-on-1 technical sessions available online 💪
stepstopodium.com/technical-sessions/
Looks just like a Huck valve?
I have definitely decided on the Lucky cartidges for my 2022 KTM 500 EXCF, but my greatest challenge are simple washboards on the dirt roads I ride between trails. At 63, my lower back ain't what it used to be. If I do not stand the entire time, my back takes a pounding on washboards. I am wondering if the National shock in the rear might help this, or just a simple re-valving of my stock WP?
Exactly!
Well, that's a very specific complaint, so it might be solved with a proper revalve. Actually I'm waiting for a national shock to arrive so I'll be able to share my thoughts on in as well 🫡
@@StepstoPodium Please let me know!
Thanks a lot for this. Very nice. Tho I think yourself you don’t use PDS? Would you do another video explaining how linkage works and what advantages it gets you?
Thank you vladimiro! I don't use it because my sole focus isn't Hard Enduro.
I already have a video explain the linkage function on the traditional shock video 😉💪
@@StepstoPodium oh yes, I remember that. Other interests are you referring to rallies?
vladimiro sassone yeeess, actually I'm really into doing hella lot of miles atm. This summer I want to clock more than 300km in a day of rally style riding
@@StepstoPodium and linkage is better for rallies because…? Absence of obstacles? High speeds? Occasional jumps? … (starting to think about my next bike, so is it going to be linkage or pds? hmm not sure at all…)
vladimiro sassone linkage is better for higher speed riding since you can squeeze more out of the shock for the same shock stroke. Again, although the PDS can withstand and EnduroGP style riding, you can have a more versatile performance with linkage for faster riding.
What about the rebound drop out system?
The supertrax?
Nice video
Thank you Jean! 🙌
Gracias...
Gracias a ti!
What is the weight rider for the spring în the video 75-225? Thanks
I would have to look it up!
Thanks! I am waiting for your answer
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Sole purpose of KTM PDS is the reduction of manufacturing cost. You save all the linkage, axles and bushings, because you do not really need much of the progression. Basically, PDS is doint the same as the rubberblocks by entering additional resistance. If you switch on your brain (instead of copying marketing BS), you will see the big gap between engine/fram and the rear wheel. A great place to get hooked on an obstacle without much of traction to get free again. Here, the linkage provide a much smoother are to glide and touch the wheel at a much better angle to get traction.
In general, WP is a terrible company with the only purpose to have cheap inhouse suspension parts (and control). Nothing is left of the former White Power company (now Tractive), but it's Brand name "WP".
Every suspension technology is a trade-off of pros and cons, even the most widely accepted ones.
Also, don't forget that the OEM and PRO line are really different, so we cannot compare both and expect one to behave or perform the same way as the other.
Regarding the PDS, I would agree that it does not perform as linkage shock, but the truth is that Josep Garcia is fighting for the title in EnduroGP with a PDS. If the PDS would underperform so much, he as an athlete would not be able to compensate the technological disadvantage and would lag behind big time.
And to be honest, there's a threshold on how much they can put inside Josep's shock that differs from what mortals can access.
Too black&white as a comment. There’s manufacturing savings but also maintenance savings. There’s a gap between engine and rear while as you say, but putting a linkage there to be smashed is prob not the best way to get traction, is it.