well my guess is its not a channel i make friends especially if they dont like the replies...lol and the sub count drop. but not much i can do there. all the best!
All nice quirky points , the extra fuel was a good one . With the engine revs , I think it’s still in warming up mode . Fuel injection is computer controlled and it’s doing an obvious task to warm the engine up , even though you are already riding . Key locks on panels…hmmm , it’s a cost cutting exercise and probably a deterrent to have the bike stolen , also I know it’s minor but weight saving too . Thankyou Warro , you do a perfect “ no bull dust “ reviews on bikes where some of us just want to know those quirks of ownership.
i watched a couple of clips from india on the honda hiness and although couldnt understand them i heard 17 litres a few times if going distance very handy to know as most would think its full but not the case.2 more litres to squeeze in...lol plus it was good to hear you enjoyed it too.
Like the semi-retro styling. The tank shape, badge, side cover shape and chrome engine covers all show family similarities to my CB550 that I had in the 80s.
yeah i dont mind it really. later i plan to look into a custom sprocket set to help in out on the hills. if i can sort that out i'd say pretty hard to beat. lucky no-one was around with a match on that petrol spill. i'd be tubing now in a different location...lol
I'd put knurled studs or wing nut bolts in place of those Allen bolts. I did that on that one stupid bolt under the seat of my Interceptor. No deal breaker any of it. Good tips. Thanks
Have noticed quirk one and two are similar on the CB125F I bought new about six weeks ago (and have done about 2,400 km on since then). Can get somewhat more than the 11 litres stated in the specs in the fuel tank. Nice, given some of the more remote places I am likely to take it. Also on start up it revs high for a minute or two…… a bit annoying, but liveable with once aware of it.
yeah the idea is to put the extra petrol in the tank and dont miscure like some old bloke past 70...lol next up i think i will have to test it with traction control off and just hope i don't have issues with the power delivery of near 21 hp i can only try i guess!
I wonder if Japanese Honda engineers designed that awkward arrangement with accessing the Allen key by opening up the side cover with the ignition key. Then using the Allen key to undo the bolt to release the seat. I suspect that this "feature" was designed for the Indian market. The Indian market demands loud horns, a lockable petrol cap, lockable side covers and a seat that is bolted to the frame. I own a domestic market RE Thunderbird 350cc kick start only motorcycle. My Thunderbird has all the above features.
one day when i have nothing better to do i might do that. thats probably everyday i think...lol i saw several indian clips on the hiness saying there were getting 17 litres of petrol in the factory 15 litre tank...lol maybe the petrol is a thinner or leaner liquid that way..i don't know. all i know once its full i was able to add another 2 litres plus wash the outside of the tank with a bit of 95 ron tpo...lol
On the 2023 Honda CT125 you have to unlock the seat to get to the allen key under the seat to access the toolkit at the rear of the bike. So you need a tool to access the toolkit 🤔 Quirky.
I'd take that extra liter point with some salt... Fuel tanks can get damaged due to lack of air compensation if filled up too much. But, since I'm no engineer I might be wrong on this one. Just a heads up. :)
Hey Warro, regarding your second quirk about the bike feeling like it wants to continue after a cold start with high revs. When new my CB300R did the exact same thing and was told that the ECU was still learning, it was apparent when cold and went away after a few minutes of riding, however after a few thousand k's this behaviour goes away completely.
I think most of us at some stage have splashed a bit of fuel around to degrease the bike... All bikes to some degree have their quirks; some settle down over time and others become 'character'! 😉
I have gotten used to the split seat. Registration and insurance paperwork are usually always under the seat. I have seen footage of individuals who pile their equipment behind them, and for some reason need to unload, to remove the seat for some reason. I use high octane like the owners manual stipulates. Only time will tell how well the honda comares to the Royal Enfield. The difference in price alone can be a deal breaker. $6800.00 before going out the door is steep. Can still get a scram or hunter 23 leftover for $2995.00 in the states. The Honda appears to be a tad overpriced for Mr. ED ☝️, which breaks my heart. I owned a Z-50 my daughter rode 25 years ago and made the mistake of unloading it. Honda is Strong 💪 but I love the Himalayan. Stay healthy Warrior!
well if you can grad a hunter forusd$3000 thats a pretty hard pice to beat and you'll have lots of fun as its a quick little bike. just needs better rear shocks and bumps are harsh but at that price...an easy fix even here in oz i bet they would still want $7000 for a 23 plate hunter and the scrambler is good price too. bit of a coin toss i'd say.
Hi Did a 150 k ride this morning with Partner. Both around the 60kg mark. My question is has anyone else noticed what appears to me to pre ignition. Climbing out of Nundle to Sheba dam abt 1,000 ft extra. There are some steep tight corners. Motor not labouring fact around 3,500 wind on throttle to full sounds like piston slap back of to 3/4 goes. Always Shell 98. Have also noticed when get above 4,000 in 4th and giving it to it. I wonder if like the Enfield it uses the built in maps over 3/4 throttle and doesn’t regulate fuel with O2 sensor. 6,200 ks now. Ch
bit early for me to be moving it along with just 500 klm on the clock. on another note i rarely use 98 and its always 95 ron on all the bikes. these bikes appear to be tuned lean too. i first noticed that on the cb125f
hard times indeed... i have 5 brand new under 12 months old bikes and now the expense of buying a funnel to fill this one. i must admit some-times its just more trouble than its worth...lol
Warro. I’m so confused. How does moving the bike side to side create extra space in the tank for more fuel? Does rocking the tank cause some fuel to exit the bottom of the tank somehow? I’ll definitely try this I just don’t understand how it works. :) Also what type of fuel are you using in your GB? My dealer said 98 and don’t consider anything else. Ignore the E10 sticker they reckon. And yeah, number 2 quirk we’ve spoken about already. Interesting to see the other comment about it potentially going away after a few thousand kms. Will keep an eye on that one. Final note: if you check the Honda web site for this bike all the accessories are listed back on there now!
im not sure if its and air lock related incident. all i know is if its on the centre stand it just appears full. but once off the stand i was able to put 2 extra litres of petrol in in plus a bit on the tank too...lol either way inagine on a trip if you can squeeze in an extra 60 klm of fuel when you naturally thought it was full. never done that on an enfield. i use 95 all the time and all bikes. rarely use 98 unless i have no choice and never use 91 i will check out the honda site and see what they have. all the best!
There is an air space designed into the tank to allow for expansion due to heat. Gas bottles have a similar design. It is very dangerous to overfill either tank this way
Interesting points, Warro. Regarding the extended high revving, have you spoken to the bike shop to see if it's something they can "adjust" at the first service? It might be worth mentioning the issue with them or their mechanic. I once bought a brand new Hyosung GV650 which had a fuel pump problem; it would run out of fuel high up in the revs. Turned out to be a faulty fuel pump, which was covered under warranty.
another guy who bought one new his does the same so good chance its in all of them. i have no real issues with the riding side as i get on many new bikes so got a good idea there. tank is full now so id like to see if i can score a 500 klm run on one full tank. never done that before and more importantly running at 90/100 kph not at 70 kph...lol only real issue is constant rain in the area. but sooner or later i will be able to get it into action all the best!
Former vehicle design engineer here, it really is a fault if the the bike continues to pull once you roll the throttle off. Imagine if your car did this during parking.
Ahh Warro, the ol one handed fuel filling trick😂😂 You certainly gave the tank a fantastic degrease! You really don’t like the matte finish 😉 Were you trying to gloss it up for a “wet” look😂😂🔥
😁 yeah i looked at the footage and thought aaah let it ride...lol pretty hard to hold camera and then pour left handed. after that i did add another litre and spilt it over it too...lol just a bad day but now i am ready to do a run and check can i score 500 klm to the tank. trip meter set too. plus i gotta get into it as id say my new suzuki vstron 250 sx in black will be here early next week and ready to go dirt...again...lol
yeah i think that overfilling is not too good an idea. this is a curious filling proceedure indeed. id say even quite a few indian riders have scored 17/18 litres it may also be dodgy petrol pumps pocketing the extra 2 litres of cash. but that part aside it will take 2 litres more when normally one would say filled so handy to know. i wouldnt run the gas right up the neck but i think at the base its appears fine
Filling tank while straddling bike get more in.I can get atleast another 500ml filling while straddling bike.My tank is 14L & can get 14.5L in while level as manual says but probably could squeeze another couple hundred ml in upto bottom of filler neck.If fill on side stand to when petrol pump stops first bar will disappear 20km down road.
...or some may say not as good either. i am on the fence so no issues and can go either side. over to the left is a red/chrome and on the other side a matte blue gb350 5 years or so back enfield was getting $6500 for their 350 carby version. i actually owned two of them. so on todays market i guess add fuel injection and duel channel abs plus either of these will easily outrun the carby 350 enfield and i suppose its reasonable value. plus with the honda you do get traction control to handle that near 21 hp. i will have to try it with the traction control off.
Warro, I get what you are saying about not doing any serious dirt with the Honda. But can you do us a clip on riding it on "normal" dirt roads? My Vespa 150 does 60 on slippery gravel OK, and up to 75 just fine on good dirt roads, and I'm no great shakes as a dirt rider. But I expect the Honda should be better than that, and some of your viewers if they buy the Honda, would not want to avoid dirt roads. So can we see how it goes? Test rides are like hen's teeth where I live...
i had it on dirt once and it ran ok at 50 to 60 kph. but i must admit once you get up to that 75 to 80 kph on dirt one is sort of pushing their luck...lol and i my case for very poor view rate...lol now if you want to see dirt my new suzuki vstrom 250 sx arrived at the dealers today. still in the crate but once assembled i have quite a few rides planned for it cober several hundred klm of outright dirt roads
@@ridewithwarro Thanks Warro. Height and riding position completely rules out 250 V Strom for me - tried it a few times to be sure. So I want to see Honda on a bit of dirt and potholes. OK, I'll try somehow to get a test ride. While you are there, would love to see you do a clip on the Vespa on some twisties! No twisties where I live - closest is a few roundabouts!
@@andrewgreen6060 so you tried out the 250 SX or the vstrom 250. one single and the other the twin. vespa runs well in all areas but that move will cost you $13500 i think its worth it others not so...lol
@@ridewithwarro No I meant the 250 SX, same as yours. Too tall and footpegs in the wrong place, just like RE Interceptor. They say 250 SX is 835 seat height but I am on tippy toes, yet my XT250 is also 835 (and I measured it to check) and I can easy flat foot. Go figure...! I have a serious Vespa question: how does yours go on a dirt road that hasn't been graded for a bit, so has a few corrugations and maybe potholes? Even tho I otherwise love it, my 150 is terrible on that. I am thinking of selling all my bikes and just get the bigger Vespa, but it must be able to handle a bit of average dirt.
@@andrewgreen6060 the reason i dont take the vespa on dirt is for one i like it and two if i damage it i would have to go 450 klm round trip twice. once to drop it off and again to go collect it so its not a smart idea for me. what i can say on sealed roads it runs over bumps near as good as an actual motorcycle but not as good as a motorcycle reason being it only has 12" wheeels but with new front end from 2023 in the new 300 its still way better than a forza 350 or xmax 300. i had an xt250 5 years back i think. pretty good bike too. i think i found it a bit vibey but apart from that fine. if you wait it out honda may release the adv350 here that may be a proposition and still would be cheaper than a vespa. but i have not been on a scooter as good as the vespa gts 300 supersport but ive only had 9 i think so no huge comparison - so 2x suzuki 110's/honda pcx160/honda adv 150/3x xmax300's/forza 350 and this vespa 300 out of those this is easily the pick of the bunch. there is a kawasaki klx150 for about $5500 new. that thing will ride almost anywhere and runs bumps good too. 21"/18 rear nice soft ride and can be grabbed used for around $4000 only real issue carby but some like that. may be worth a look
It's a beauty. I'd love to see Honda bring out a bike that looks just like this and has the new 750 Hornet engine.
that would be one old school powerhouse ride indeed. all the best!
Your review of bikes is honest and gives enough information to decide is it something for me. That is what makes your channel so interesting.
well my guess is its not a channel i make friends especially if they dont like the replies...lol and the sub count drop. but not much i can do there.
all the best!
Very nice looking 350cc Honda , looks quite straightforward , I like the clean simple lines of the bike , really neat 😀 👌 👍
thats your it is more straight to the point looks wise and in time or in my case the matte blue paint scheme sort of grows on ya.
All nice quirky points , the extra fuel was a good one . With the engine revs , I think it’s still in warming up mode . Fuel injection is computer controlled and it’s doing an obvious task to warm the engine up , even though you are already riding . Key locks on panels…hmmm , it’s a cost cutting exercise and probably a deterrent to have the bike stolen , also I know it’s minor but weight saving too .
Thankyou Warro , you do a perfect “ no bull dust “ reviews on bikes where some of us just want to know those quirks of ownership.
i watched a couple of clips from india on the honda hiness and although couldnt understand them i heard 17 litres a few times
if going distance very handy to know as most would think its full but not the case.2 more litres to squeeze in...lol
plus it was good to hear you enjoyed it too.
Modern retro in true sense ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥‼️🌟🌟
i think so. runs pretty good too
Hy Warro its a good looking bike and the things you pointed out are really od.Thanks for the infos and ride safe.🍀🍀🍀
No problem 👍 i think best of the 3 the extra fuel you can get in the tank plus the added extra i got over it...lol all the best!
Like the semi-retro styling. The tank shape, badge, side cover shape and chrome engine covers all show family similarities to my CB550 that I had in the 80s.
would be better still i think if we had a gloss paint option and a colour scheme to match the ealy '70's cb350 twins
I see the trick there. It can hold at least half a litre on the outside of the tank. Nice bike, I'd consider one of these if it comes to the UK.😊
and 1.5 litres inside the tank...lol must admit i certainly spilt my load there.
Quirky...but a nice looking little bike Warro.
yeah i dont mind it really. later i plan to look into a custom sprocket set to help in out on the hills. if i can sort that out i'd say pretty hard to beat.
lucky no-one was around with a match on that petrol spill. i'd be tubing now in a different location...lol
I'd put knurled studs or wing nut bolts in place of those Allen bolts.
I did that on that one stupid bolt under the seat of my Interceptor.
No deal breaker any of it.
Good tips. Thanks
a pretty good idea there too.
Have noticed quirk one and two are similar on the CB125F I bought new about six weeks ago (and have done about 2,400 km on since then). Can get somewhat more than the 11 litres stated in the specs in the fuel tank. Nice, given some of the more remote places I am likely to take it. Also on start up it revs high for a minute or two…… a bit annoying, but liveable with once aware of it.
a great bike too. all the best.
A lovely looking bike, i wish they be available for sale in the UK, are they limited to speed as is the classic 350 warro?
i think it would easily beat a stock classic 350 especially on the pick up side to 100 kph. not sure of its top speed as of now...lol
Thanks for the tip number one. Looks like someone has identified quirk 2.
yeah the idea is to put the extra petrol in the tank and dont miscure like some old bloke past 70...lol
next up i think i will have to test it with traction control off and just hope i don't have issues with the power delivery of near 21 hp
i can only try i guess!
Great informative clip. Honda does odd stuff at times.
that they do!
I wonder if Japanese Honda engineers designed that awkward arrangement with accessing the Allen key by opening up the side cover with the ignition key. Then using the Allen key to undo the bolt to release the seat.
I suspect that this "feature" was designed for the Indian market. The Indian market demands loud horns, a lockable petrol cap, lockable side covers and a seat that is bolted to the frame.
I own a domestic market RE Thunderbird 350cc kick start only motorcycle. My Thunderbird has all the above features.
maybe that could be the answer too. after all its been over in india for several years now.
Hi Warro, it would be interesting to completely empty the fuel tank, then fill it to the brim, that would give a double check on capacity. 😁😁😁
one day when i have nothing better to do i might do that. thats probably everyday i think...lol
i saw several indian clips on the hiness saying there were getting 17 litres of petrol in the factory 15 litre tank...lol maybe the petrol is a thinner or leaner liquid that way..i don't know.
all i know once its full i was able to add another 2 litres plus wash the outside of the tank with a bit of 95 ron tpo...lol
Such a nice bike!
I think so too!
On the 2023 Honda CT125 you have to unlock the seat to get to the allen key under the seat to access the toolkit at the rear of the bike. So you need a tool to access the toolkit 🤔 Quirky.
yep!
I'd take that extra liter point with some salt... Fuel tanks can get damaged due to lack of air compensation if filled up too much. But, since I'm no engineer I might be wrong on this one. Just a heads up. :)
i dunno. i only buy and ride but the indian owners say 17 litres but i did spill a tad over the bike but i think it was absorbed ...lol
Hey Warro, regarding your second quirk about the bike feeling like it wants to continue after a cold start with high revs. When new my CB300R did the exact same thing and was told that the ECU was still learning, it was apparent when cold and went away after a few minutes of riding, however after a few thousand k's this behaviour goes away completely.
Thanks for the tips! i will keep all that in mind. all the best!
I think most of us at some stage have splashed a bit of fuel around to degrease the bike... All bikes to some degree have their quirks; some settle down over time and others become 'character'! 😉
sounds good to me....all the best!
I have gotten used to the split seat. Registration and insurance paperwork are usually always under the seat.
I have seen footage of individuals who pile their equipment behind them, and for some reason need to unload, to remove the seat for some reason.
I use high octane like the owners manual stipulates.
Only time will tell how well the honda comares to the Royal Enfield. The difference in price alone can be a deal breaker.
$6800.00 before going out the door is steep.
Can still get a scram or hunter 23 leftover for $2995.00 in the states.
The Honda appears to be a tad overpriced for Mr. ED ☝️, which breaks my heart. I owned a Z-50 my daughter rode 25 years ago and made the mistake of unloading it.
Honda is Strong 💪 but I love the Himalayan.
Stay healthy Warrior!
well if you can grad a hunter forusd$3000 thats a pretty hard pice to beat and you'll have lots of fun as its a quick little bike.
just needs better rear shocks and bumps are harsh but at that price...an easy fix
even here in oz i bet they would still want $7000 for a 23 plate hunter and the scrambler is good price too.
bit of a coin toss i'd say.
Hi
Did a 150 k ride this morning with Partner. Both around the 60kg mark.
My question is has anyone else noticed what appears to me to pre ignition. Climbing out of Nundle to Sheba dam abt 1,000 ft extra. There are some steep tight corners. Motor not labouring fact around 3,500 wind on throttle to full sounds like piston slap back of to 3/4 goes. Always Shell 98.
Have also noticed when get above 4,000 in 4th and giving it to it.
I wonder if like the Enfield it uses the built in maps over 3/4 throttle and doesn’t regulate fuel with O2 sensor. 6,200 ks now.
Ch
Sorry 3,800 ks wrong bike :-(
bit early for me to be moving it along with just 500 klm on the clock. on another note i rarely use 98 and its always 95 ron on all the bikes. these bikes appear to be tuned lean too. i first noticed that on the cb125f
I have a Yamaha R1.... you need an Allen key to get it off. Its pretty standard.
thanks...a good tip there
You think the seat on the Honda is silly - have a go at a 865 Triumph Bonny !
yeah i actually owned a 865 scrambler and the new 900 scrambler but never took the seat off...lol
A funnel was invented a long time ago
hard times indeed... i have 5 brand new under 12 months old bikes and now the expense of buying a funnel to fill this one.
i must admit some-times its just more trouble than its worth...lol
Warro. I’m so confused. How does moving the bike side to side create extra space in the tank for more fuel? Does rocking the tank cause some fuel to exit the bottom of the tank somehow? I’ll definitely try this I just don’t understand how it works. :)
Also what type of fuel are you using in your GB? My dealer said 98 and don’t consider anything else. Ignore the E10 sticker they reckon.
And yeah, number 2 quirk we’ve spoken about already. Interesting to see the other comment about it potentially going away after a few thousand kms. Will keep an eye on that one.
Final note: if you check the Honda web site for this bike all the accessories are listed back on there now!
im not sure if its and air lock related incident. all i know is if its on the centre stand it just appears full. but once off the stand i was able to put 2 extra litres of petrol in in plus a bit on the tank too...lol
either way inagine on a trip if you can squeeze in an extra 60 klm of fuel when you naturally thought it was full. never done that on an enfield.
i use 95 all the time and all bikes. rarely use 98 unless i have no choice and never use 91
i will check out the honda site and see what they have.
all the best!
There is an air space designed into the tank to allow for expansion due to heat. Gas bottles have a similar design. It is very dangerous to overfill either tank this way
Interesting points, Warro. Regarding the extended high revving, have you spoken to the bike shop to see if it's something they can "adjust" at the first service? It might be worth mentioning the issue with them or their mechanic. I once bought a brand new Hyosung GV650 which had a fuel pump problem; it would run out of fuel high up in the revs. Turned out to be a faulty fuel pump, which was covered under warranty.
another guy who bought one new his does the same so good chance its in all of them. i have no real issues with the riding side as i get on many new bikes so got a good idea there.
tank is full now so id like to see if i can score a 500 klm run on one full tank.
never done that before and more importantly running at 90/100 kph not at 70 kph...lol
only real issue is constant rain in the area. but sooner or later i will be able to get it into action
all the best!
Former vehicle design engineer here, it really is a fault if the the bike continues to pull once you roll the throttle off. Imagine if your car did this during parking.
@@ohshitnotanotherknob thanks and good to know i might bring it up to them when booked for 1st service
Ahh Warro, the ol one handed fuel filling trick😂😂 You certainly gave the tank a fantastic degrease! You really don’t like the matte finish 😉 Were you trying to gloss it up for a “wet” look😂😂🔥
😁 yeah i looked at the footage and thought aaah let it ride...lol pretty hard to hold camera and then pour left handed. after that i did add another litre and spilt it over it too...lol
just a bad day but now i am ready to do a run and check can i score 500 klm to the tank. trip meter set too.
plus i gotta get into it as id say my new suzuki vstron 250 sx in black will be here early next week and ready to go dirt...again...lol
my suzuki ls650 would leak fom the cap when the tank warmed up, on a sunny day, if l over filled it
yeah i think that overfilling is not too good an idea. this is a curious filling proceedure indeed.
id say even quite a few indian riders have scored 17/18 litres it may also be dodgy petrol pumps pocketing the extra 2 litres of cash.
but that part aside it will take 2 litres more when normally one would say filled so handy to know.
i wouldnt run the gas right up the neck but i think at the base its appears fine
Filling tank while straddling bike get more in.I can get atleast another 500ml filling while straddling bike.My tank is 14L & can get 14.5L in while level as manual says but probably could squeeze another couple hundred ml in upto bottom of filler neck.If fill on side stand to when petrol pump stops first bar will disappear 20km down road.
yeah thats how i see it too
Better than the Enfield in every way. Can’t compare Indian built to Japanese
i had plans to give it a run today but then the change of weather arrived and its been raining now for several hours straight. maybe tomorrow...lol
Have you not been watching Warro’s vids? There’s no way I’d have this Honda (and I’ve had a few Hondas) over the Classic 350.
@@csc-photo lucky i have both...lol
Erm, Aren't they both manufactured in India.
@@themotorider1the gb is not. The h'ness is though, literally the same model.
I am disappointed in Honda with this motorcycle. For it's price, it doesn't seem to be much better than the RE 350.
...or some may say not as good either. i am on the fence so no issues and can go either side. over to the left is a red/chrome and on the other side a matte blue gb350
5 years or so back enfield was getting $6500 for their 350 carby version. i actually owned two of them.
so on todays market i guess add fuel injection and duel channel abs plus either of these will easily outrun the carby 350 enfield and i suppose its reasonable value.
plus with the honda you do get traction control to handle that near 21 hp. i will have to try it with the traction control off.
Warro, I get what you are saying about not doing any serious dirt with the Honda. But can you do us a clip on riding it on "normal" dirt roads? My Vespa 150 does 60 on slippery gravel OK, and up to 75 just fine on good dirt roads, and I'm no great shakes as a dirt rider. But I expect the Honda should be better than that, and some of your viewers if they buy the Honda, would not want to avoid dirt roads. So can we see how it goes? Test rides are like hen's teeth where I live...
i had it on dirt once and it ran ok at 50 to 60 kph. but i must admit once you get up to that 75 to 80 kph on dirt one is sort of pushing their luck...lol and i my case for very poor view rate...lol
now if you want to see dirt my new suzuki vstrom 250 sx arrived at the dealers today. still in the crate but once assembled i have quite a few rides planned for it cober several hundred klm of outright dirt roads
@@ridewithwarro Thanks Warro. Height and riding position completely rules out 250 V Strom for me - tried it a few times to be sure. So I want to see Honda on a bit of dirt and potholes. OK, I'll try somehow to get a test ride.
While you are there, would love to see you do a clip on the Vespa on some twisties! No twisties where I live - closest is a few roundabouts!
@@andrewgreen6060 so you tried out the 250 SX or the vstrom 250. one single and the other the twin.
vespa runs well in all areas but that move will cost you $13500
i think its worth it others not so...lol
@@ridewithwarro No I meant the 250 SX, same as yours. Too tall and footpegs in the wrong place, just like RE Interceptor. They say 250 SX is 835 seat height but I am on tippy toes, yet my XT250 is also 835 (and I measured it to check) and I can easy flat foot. Go figure...!
I have a serious Vespa question: how does yours go on a dirt road that hasn't been graded for a bit, so has a few corrugations and maybe potholes? Even tho I otherwise love it, my 150 is terrible on that. I am thinking of selling all my bikes and just get the bigger Vespa, but it must be able to handle a bit of average dirt.
@@andrewgreen6060 the reason i dont take the vespa on dirt is for one i like it and two if i damage it i would have to go 450 klm round trip twice. once to drop it off and again to go collect it so its not a smart idea for me.
what i can say on sealed roads it runs over bumps near as good as an actual motorcycle but not as good as a motorcycle
reason being it only has 12" wheeels but with new front end from 2023 in the new 300 its still way better than a forza 350 or xmax 300.
i had an xt250 5 years back i think. pretty good bike too. i think i found it a bit vibey but apart from that fine.
if you wait it out honda may release the adv350 here that may be a proposition and still would be cheaper than a vespa.
but i have not been on a scooter as good as the vespa gts 300 supersport but ive only had 9 i think so no huge comparison - so 2x suzuki 110's/honda pcx160/honda adv 150/3x xmax300's/forza 350 and this vespa 300
out of those this is easily the pick of the bunch.
there is a kawasaki klx150 for about $5500 new. that thing will ride almost anywhere and runs bumps good too. 21"/18 rear nice soft ride and can be grabbed used for around $4000
only real issue carby but some like that. may be worth a look