Got a chance to try these on in store the other day, and I actually quite liked these. I can’t seem them being that great of a running shoe, but they are probably one of the best lifestyle/walking/running curious shoe. Basically, the perfect Disney crowd shoe
That is exactly the use case for this shoe now, which is rather sad given the legacy of the 1-3 and how consistent as runners/trainers they were. Things change, thats fine, but I wish Nike was more clear on how they really changed what (and who) this shoe is for.
@@SagasuRunning As someone who really didn’t like the IR 3, I actually quite like this as an iteration. I know many won’t feel this way, but I think Nike’s running lineup is stacked enough that there doesn’t necessarily need to be a dedicated place for this shoe in it. I’d say it’s a great commuting/casual running shoe and that’s alright
I would agree. The Nike running lineup doesn’t need the Infinity anymore. So making it a fitness shoe that can transition someone into the Nike running line makes sense. The connection I pointed out the the WellCollective is a clear strategy. I also don’t like the IR3 upper for running, it was fine for casual wear. But the IR 1-3 midsole is something I have close to two thousand miles into over the 3 generations. I spent ALOT of time in that shoe over the years.
Sometimes we get Nike shoes early here in Taiwan. This shoe popped up in Nike retail all over Taipei last week so I grabbed a pair and put some time into them...
What you said about the heel striker vs forefoot strikers might be why I'm seeing such polar opposite opinions about this shoe with each new review video I watch
Got mine the other day (a retailer jumped the gun I think). Did a slow 10k in them yesterday and at least i can run in this shoe , something I couldn't do with the IR , IR2 and IR3 versions , likely due due to the bulkiness of the React in those versions. ReactX is so much softer. Its heavy in hand for sure , but I didn't notice it so much on foot. Lets see how it goes. I'm waiting for the Vomero 17 also.... Interestingly I'm neither a heel striker or a slow/ beginner runner, I am more a forefoot/midfoot striker. I cannot run in the Invincible series , even the 3. The extremely wide flares on the forefoot lead to this.
Interesting. You didn’t find the ReactX too soft when landing in the forefoot? I was getting a massive pancaking of the shoe there due to how flexible the forefoot it (to help the runner though the heel to toe rocker). It seems we are opposite. I got on very will with the IR1-3. Never had an issue with forefoot running in them… I have to admit. The IR4 seriously tempered my expectations on the Vomero 17. I’m still going to cover it… but have low expectations now. Hopefully it exceeds them. I am very intrigued by ReactX though. I look forward to it in more sure so we can actually see how it performs.
Streakfly is your best bet right now. It’s one of my favorite trainers but needs to be pairs with a Peg for durability. Otherwise all shoes are trending thicker. It might be a while until we see brands making lower stack shoes… sadly. The Adidas Adios 8 is also an amazing daily trainer.
353g in a US 10. Wow! Welcome to my world of daily trainer weights - but in a UK 13/US 14 :) This is going to be on the way to 500g for me! My "record" in a running shoe is almost 450g in the adidas SolarGlide 4 GTX which was so bad I ran a mile in it and had to run back to change shoes. That's not really one am looking to break :) I did briefly try the 1st version of his shoe as was half price but still felt wasted my money but at least it wasn't this heavy just really wide for my narrow feet. This one seems both wide and heavy. Kind of makes the Boston 12 seem "light" and that is 340g for me. I also think this shoe line has got rather forgotten. Didn't they initially boast that runners got injured far less in this than anything else or something like that. That never made a lot of sense. Seemingly nor does this as a "proper" running shoe - well for us who do not obviously heel strike. I did think that it was going to be a bit softer but that's no good if they are sort of as heavy as hiking boots and seemingly with rubber to match. Agree though could be good for heel strikers for easy runs and maybe more casual runners.
I’m not one to complain about how heavy a shoe is, especially a trainer, but this one is a bit ridiculous. My 9 US M weighed an average of 321g, slightly better but not great. Yes, the B12 seems like a track spike in comparison.
very good and honest review. im into 10k steps challenge only more on fat burning while maintaining muscle mass. more on walking slight jogging and its just fits my needs. im an infinity run4 extra wide user.
Just came back trying the Infinity FK 3. It's heavy and low breathability upper. Despite 45% discount , I put it back on the shelf. And here we are with the 4th iteration even heavier and bulkier...what is wrong with Nike?? Tq for the review
I got this shoes and walking in them is amazing doesn't even feel heavy and they look so good in full black and full white. My only concern is when you stand still in one spot for a long time, my calves started to ache. I dunno what's up with that. I kinda want to return them now but first i ordered on cloud shoes with similar price and compare if they better than i will may or may not return this.
The sore calves are likely form the instability in the foam when standing. All the micro movements your legs are doing to balance yourself. Definitely something you’ll run into if you are only wearing these casually.
I’ve never been able to run in Infinity Run shoes because of the plastic heel clip (digs into the side of my foot). I’m optimistic about them now that I know there’s no heel clip.
That looks more like a revamp of their recently released nike motiva shoes. The motiva is better as a walking shoe. I purchased both the invincible 3 for running and the motiva for walking which works really good for me.
Wouldn’t say it’s a revamp, but it’s made to work with it… as I point out in the video. If the Motiva is a walking/jogging shoe, the IR4 is a jogging/running shoe.
I wouldn’t say that across the board… but it does seem this one has gone the wrong direction for many runners. Then again it seems the target market for the shoe has shifted greatly too.
@@Akeoni the Nike Invincible 3, Vaporfly 3 and Pegasus 40 are all great updates and Nike at the top of their game. Most other things they have released this year though are iffy at best.
The Pegasus 39 was a great show. The Pegasus 40 does not fit me right; my heels slips and makes me Achilles hurt. Got these shoes, great fit. Not as athletic but keeps your foot in place.
Interesting. I had a horrible fit in the IR4, even with the half size up. Also the Peg 39 was pretty good but the Peg 40 is one of the best fits of any Nike shoe ever for my foot. I’m glad these worked for you though.
Nike Motiva has an aggressive rocker geometry. I own a pair, but I can’t wear them all day. They propel me forward in every step I take. The downside is if I wear them for too long, I feel that my arch area is sore at the end of the day. I’d imagine the infinity run has a less rocker geometry with similar concept.
Yes. Way less extreme but familiar if you are coming from the Motiva. I don’t own a pair but tried them on in the store and walked around in them a bit. There is definitely a connection between the two shoes, though the Infinity 4 has better materials overall.
For another reference, that is going to be approximately 440g in a size 13 US, which is more than the Scott Supertrac Ultra RC - which is a heavy trail shoe. The Scott is the worst and heaviest running shoe I have ever used. It’s more of a low-cut hiking boot. This is an absurd weight for a road running shoe.
For some reason Infinity React FK 3 and I are besties (this is the previous iteration of this shoe right?) - as a daily trainer. It just works for me. So I was excited to try this version 4, and I just dont like how it feels. Its flat for me. I feel quicker and more stable in v3. I'm actually on the hunt to buy v3 on discount stores to keep a spare when my current ones retire.
The Infinity 1-3 were all great. I logged many many kms/mis in them, especially the 1. That is what makes the IR4 update even more insulting...the legacy of what the Infinity was...
I've been a Nike fanboy off & on since 1978, but currently, they are in sad shape (apart from their supershoes.) My current lineup is now mostly Saucony, New Balance, and Skechers (plus a pair of Alphaflys and a pair of Vaporflys I hardly ever wear.)
Nike has had some outstanding updates and releases this year. The Vaporfly 3, Invincible 3 and Pegasus 40 are all magnificent. But yes, compared to so other brands in running I can see where people are not as into Nike anymore. Some other brands have really been hitting all the notes lately.
My New Balance 1080V12 felt negative drop despite stating 8mm. The site that cuts open shoes (Solar...) found 3mm and I swear my pair has negative drop.. I added a heel step of 8mm and they feel normal.. I also need to add it to the Alphafly V1.
I love exteem front rocker. Plus bouncy midsole. Adidas Pro 3 has it.. Probably Endorphin Elite wil😮be perfect despite my snail pace.. Waiting for a big sale as they are so expensive..
Funny enough the day after Indid my last run in the IR4… I did a tempo workout in the AP3. The AP3 does has a heel-to-toe rocker for sure… but it also has a very defined toe spring and forefoot rocker which feels amazing. Even with the dismal upper the AP3 is becoming one of my favorite shoes!
@@SagasuRunning I run today in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2. It was 95 degree and 80% humidity with strong winds (heatwave in Europe) and this at 05:20.. I was planning to run for my Sunday morning long run.. Out the door the heatwave hit me so I decided on an easy run just to stay sane.. In the end I did an 8 mile which I thought was easy but Garmin says Threshold 🙄.. But when I did an easy 8 miles in the Adidas Pro 3 my Achilles Tendon and low calf muscle were dead.. Today in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 they were fine. The Puma is low stack and really don't have the pop and rocker of the Adidas Pro 3. I did do the same run at Tempo pace in both the Boston 12 and Adidas Pro 3 to compare. Both felt good and NO pains at all after the Tempo long run.. But the matrices are SO much better in the Adidas Pro 3.. It's really a great shoe and having wide feet fits me like a glove. Only the fit of the Takumi sen 9 was a non starter 😭
@@i.p2088 it’s been 32-36c here since May. It’s only getting hotter. So I totally understand about having to adjust on the fly. Some days the heat hits hard than others. I do love the wide forefoot of the AP3. The A8 marches it and they are such a great training pair.
i have my pegasus 40 with about like 150/200km and i'm going to prepare an half marathon, so i was curious about this shoes for long run, but i think i'll stay with my peg, or maybe i'll wait for Vomero 17. Think with all the roster of nike shoes we don't need another plushy shoes like this ( vomero 17 is rumored to not have any zoom pocket forefoot/ heel but only zoomX and cushlon 3.0 and will be the perfect mix between Peg and Invincible)
We have seen the Vomero 17 and there are early reviews out right now. It seems like a plush shoe, not as soft as this shoe, but soft and still fairly heavy. No zoom air, just two layers of foam, ZoomX under the foot and Cushlon 2.0 as a carrier under that. For serious training it will be the much better option. Definitely the one you want over the IR4.
Infinite run have always been my go to shoe in my rotation for work shoes where im on my feet for 8 hours mostly on concrete, but im kind of on the fence with these ones. Ill probably get a pair down the line when they go on sale and can snag them for under $100, but definitely not going to pay retail
@lordryukatsai Probably the Infinity RN 4 that. It will be softer and more supportive. I’m actually wearing this pair as casual shoes and like them for that purpose. If you do get these for casual wear, size up a half size to make room for normal socks and your feet to swell after a day in your feet. 🤙🏻
very very interesting review, new subscriber here 🙌🏽 curious whether injection moulding is cheaper than compression moulding, in your opinion/experience?
It’s about the same when you compare them. With compression molding you have the pre-production of manufacturing the blanks, which you don’t with injection molding. However injection molding can require more tooling post molding and the QC process is more involved with softer materials. Actual mold production and lifespan differs between the two as well. Many other factors also contribute to cost. I’m glad my content is interesting! 🙌🏻
thank you for the insight! would love to read up / learn more about the differences in these techniques and how the resultant foams/rides differ if there are any resources you can point me to@@SagasuRunning 🙏
@taroonbali Nothing comes to mind, especially running related. I was speaking for my experience working with the processes. I’ll keep my eye open. If I see anything I’ll share it here.
We shall see. However, given how Nike has been trending I’d not hold my breath for that weight for a size 12. Maybe the reference size 9… but likely not larger than that. I’m curious how Kuching will weight too.
Vomero 16 is 376g for me in a US 14. Peg 40 371g and Peg 39 about 355g. How does that compare in a US 12? My guess about 30g lighter. For a daily trainer none of these felt heavy per se but equally hardy Endorphin Speed or Peg Turbo racer/trainer type shoes but then again never billed as such. I did find it a bit odd that whilst the Peg 40 and Peg 39 are very similar a upper "upgrade" added 16g. With this shoe being way heavier, I agree with SagasuRunning that a much lighter Vomero 17 over 16 is very unlikely. Hope it turns out better than this new one seems to be though!
I really liked the bit about documentation -- thanks for sharing the insights 😉Would be happy for more! Naive question: Why can't they say who is a target audience? Or maybe who are in primary audience? Or primary use case for the shoes? I can see them losing a little bit of consumers outside the target (not definite though, there are tons of PRO devices which are not used for PRO activities), but aren't the one inside would be much more satisfied with clear explanation of technologies and use scenarios?
They 100% have this documentation internally. It’s how the plan and measure a product success. The only way you ever see this manifest on the consumer side is some type of product matrix comparing one product to another. Nike haven’t done one of those for running in many years. Even then they never want to say a specific user for a product like a running shoe as they don’t want to pigeon hole it to that one market. They would like it to have as broad appeal as possible, even though internally they did have both an ideal consumer and a ideal consumer journey for it.
This is the absolute boat! I don’t understand what these big brands are doing no idea. Like they all must be high or drunk or something like I think they are working on a lab and not testing shoes like running it and having people test them
As I point out in this video I don’t think this is really a dedicated running shoe anymore, it’s a fitness shoe you can run in…. But it still doesn’t justify the weight at all!
good video but how about durability !!!!?? i am 240 pounds yet i run 35km a week the reason i run in react runners is durability but you didn't touch on that very important side
The rubber compound on these is very soft and in other reviews has been shown to wear quickly. Plus at 240lbs…. You will bottom out this shoe. ReactX in this shoe is not React from the shoes you mentioned. I’d like at the Asics Nimbus 26 or the Novablast 4…. Possibly even the Saucony Triumph 22 over these.
@@SagasuRunning u r spot on !!!! i tried the Invincible run and I squashed it in a month but bizarrely enough I find the VaporFly 1 and 2 very fitting and oddly durable despite my weight ..... i still have 4 pairs I got at a final sale last year ...thank you for your thorough point-by-point analysis even for the shoes i won't be buying i enjoyed very much your videos
Right? I does follow the current Nike running design language. But, as you said, none of the DNA that made the Infinity series and Infinity is here… besides the mild stability element (which is done much better).
I think so. As we learn more about ReactX… I’ll come back with a ReactX video . Right now it does seem ReactX is replacing React. If I read their PR copy about. We shall see.
Agree. If you get the size right it’s an excellent casual and walking shoe. Then again, that is really what it is meant for anyway. It’s a fitness shoe.
Ironic for this shoe to be “reducing” carbon footprint but majority of these are just going straight to landfills because no one would really want to buy these because of multiple reasons (weight, price, aesthethics, etc.) 🤦🏻♂️🥴
@@SagasuRunning yeah you were right about every aspect of this shoe but I liked the v3 so wanted to love this shoe. Sooo hate it as a forefoot striker it is truly horrible 😬
Forget about performance, to be frank - it's ugly. 👎 BTW how heavy are you weighing in aesthetics when you buy running shoes? Because I try to not get swayed by looks, if the performance/comfort isn't there, but that's it - I "try" 😁
There are definitely uglier running shoes out there. I don’t think it’s that bad. I care about aesthetics… but what I value more of a cohesive design direction in how the products work together and relate to one another. Nike and Adidas do a very good job with bro. Asics is beginning to get there too. I can’t think of any shoes I completely loved from a performance POV and hated aesthetically. But there are definitely been shoes (and brands) I avoid to to aesthetics.
@@FatUglySadMan It is so interesting how we all have our personal preferences and can find shoes we love. I've spent a lot of time in all the shoes on your list but can't say I loved any of them.
bro, you're bashing on that shoe, but you should know by now, infinity line is for entry level runners. their goal is to make almost every amateur comfortable. so obviously you can't compare with invincible or pegasus. Its like to compare pegasus to vaporfly, makes no sense I think nike is doing a great job, especially because the problem of infinity 3 was the bpring midsole
I spend over 10 minutes of this video talking about how this shoe is really designed for newer runners and how the overdesigned aspect of this shoe will benefit them. But they doesn’t justify a bad shoe. The Pegasus IS also designed to be a shoe for everyone but it excels at working well. Also… the midsole in the Infinity 1-3 was very good. This one could be good but it’s very hard to tell given all the rubber and upper.
@@SagasuRunning Pegasus is indeed for every runner, but not for everyone. my girlfriend for example, can't run in pegasus, too demanding. she's much better off with infinity 3. I would die from boredom in the infinity's, that doesn't mean its a bad shoe. so if they added a little bit of fun factor to the line, without compromising stability and comfort, IMO its a hit
@AnDre-fj5lb The Infinity 3 is a great shoe. I literally have close to 3000 miles in the Infinity series, most of that in the 1, a big chunk in the 2 and a little in the 3 (I didn’t like the upper for running, but the midsole/outsole was still very good). I’m not slamming the Infinity series here. Even with the 4, while I don’t think it is a very good dedicated running shoe (a step backwards from the Infinity 1-3)… it’s an outstanding fitness shoe that you can run in (not just jog in) the will protect and help newer runners grow in confidence and ability. A bridge form the Well Collective to Nike Running… as I explained in the video I can see the consumer journey from Motiva to a infinity 4 to Zoom Fly 5 or Invincible 3…. It makes total sense and is very clearly executed.
@@SagasuRunning ok now I get the point, so you literally prefer 1-3 infinitys. you think the new nike running line looks more fancy, but they are less functional?
I thinks the Infinity 4 is a all together different shoe for a different user than the 1-3 was. The first half of this review I come at it as someone expect more of the Infinity 1-3… but then I switch and try to explain why I think there has been such a change. I think Nike has been nailing their updates this year. The Vaporfly e, Invincible 3 and Peg 40 are all outstanding updates and considerably better than their predecessors. But the Infinity 4 is a different shoe for different users now… and that’s ok.
Excuse me, not your fault of course, but I can't waste my time watching a 12.5oz so called "running" (???) shoe review. Why should people buy a brick, when hundreds of lighter/cheaper/prettier/more technical/you name it shoes from at least a dozen other brands are available ???
I’m not one to harp on heavy shoes. I don’t mind a heavier shoe in training… but this one really pushing it. It is a great shoe for a larger and newer runner, which feels like a core use case for this shoe.
@@SagasuRunning I don't know. I am a larger runner and the local running shoe store put me into a Brooks Beast 8 to train for my first marathon and it was a terrible, terrible experience. I'm just stubborn enough to keep going. I just looked up the old specs and it was about 500g in size 13 -- over a pound per foot.
@@brianreiter5572 The Beast is such a fitting name for that shoe. This one isn’t as bad. Also the ReactX is much more reactive. It would be a much better choice. The mild stability features molded into the midsole are well done as well.
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Got a chance to try these on in store the other day, and I actually quite liked these. I can’t seem them being that great of a running shoe, but they are probably one of the best lifestyle/walking/running curious shoe. Basically, the perfect Disney crowd shoe
That is exactly the use case for this shoe now, which is rather sad given the legacy of the 1-3 and how consistent as runners/trainers they were. Things change, thats fine, but I wish Nike was more clear on how they really changed what (and who) this shoe is for.
@@SagasuRunning As someone who really didn’t like the IR 3, I actually quite like this as an iteration. I know many won’t feel this way, but I think Nike’s running lineup is stacked enough that there doesn’t necessarily need to be a dedicated place for this shoe in it. I’d say it’s a great commuting/casual running shoe and that’s alright
I would agree. The Nike running lineup doesn’t need the Infinity anymore. So making it a fitness shoe that can transition someone into the Nike running line makes sense. The connection I pointed out the the WellCollective is a clear strategy.
I also don’t like the IR3 upper for running, it was fine for casual wear. But the IR 1-3 midsole is something I have close to two thousand miles into over the 3 generations. I spent ALOT of time in that shoe over the years.
Sometimes we get Nike shoes early here in Taiwan. This shoe popped up in Nike retail all over Taipei last week so I grabbed a pair and put some time into them...
Hopefully you also get vomero 17
@@pxcs7559 I am planning on it. 🤙🏻
@@SagasuRunninghow about the Nike ultrafly trail
Instead of knowing about Infinity RN4, I learnt a lot about Product development. Thank you Sir! - Senthil
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Ha. I’m glad it was interesting! 🤙🏻
What you said about the heel striker vs forefoot strikers might be why I'm seeing such polar opposite opinions about this shoe with each new review video I watch
This is a fabulous heel striking shoe. A lot of the reviews I’ve seen also agree. It’s really optimized for a heel to toe roll as well.
Got mine the other day (a retailer jumped the gun I think). Did a slow 10k in them yesterday and at least i can run in this shoe , something I couldn't do with the IR , IR2 and IR3 versions , likely due due to the bulkiness of the React in those versions. ReactX is so much softer. Its heavy in hand for sure , but I didn't notice it so much on foot. Lets see how it goes. I'm waiting for the Vomero 17 also....
Interestingly I'm neither a heel striker or a slow/ beginner runner, I am more a forefoot/midfoot striker. I cannot run in the Invincible series , even the 3. The extremely wide flares on the forefoot lead to this.
Interesting. You didn’t find the ReactX too soft when landing in the forefoot? I was getting a massive pancaking of the shoe there due to how flexible the forefoot it (to help the runner though the heel to toe rocker).
It seems we are opposite. I got on very will with the IR1-3. Never had an issue with forefoot running in them…
I have to admit. The IR4 seriously tempered my expectations on the Vomero 17. I’m still going to cover it… but have low expectations now. Hopefully it exceeds them.
I am very intrigued by ReactX though. I look forward to it in more sure so we can actually see how it performs.
Pegasus 39 is such a great shoe for me, hoping for a lower stack Nike shoe for training still! (Something like the Peg 36s or Zoom Elite)
Streakfly is your best bet right now. It’s one of my favorite trainers but needs to be pairs with a Peg for durability.
Otherwise all shoes are trending thicker. It might be a while until we see brands making lower stack shoes… sadly.
The Adidas Adios 8 is also an amazing daily trainer.
@@SagasuRunningYeah, Streakfly feels great but I'm running a bit too much, and with too little money 😂 for the durability of that shoe.
353g in a US 10. Wow! Welcome to my world of daily trainer weights - but in a UK 13/US 14 :) This is going to be on the way to 500g for me! My "record" in a running shoe is almost 450g in the adidas SolarGlide 4 GTX which was so bad I ran a mile in it and had to run back to change shoes. That's not really one am looking to break :) I did briefly try the 1st version of his shoe as was half price but still felt wasted my money but at least it wasn't this heavy just really wide for my narrow feet. This one seems both wide and heavy. Kind of makes the Boston 12 seem "light" and that is 340g for me. I also think this shoe line has got rather forgotten. Didn't they initially boast that runners got injured far less in this than anything else or something like that. That never made a lot of sense. Seemingly nor does this as a "proper" running shoe - well for us who do not obviously heel strike. I did think that it was going to be a bit softer but that's no good if they are sort of as heavy as hiking boots and seemingly with rubber to match. Agree though could be good for heel strikers for easy runs and maybe more casual runners.
I’m not one to complain about how heavy a shoe is, especially a trainer, but this one is a bit ridiculous. My 9 US M weighed an average of 321g, slightly better but not great.
Yes, the B12 seems like a track spike in comparison.
I enjoyed the first one. Was very bouncy and decently light. It was a really enjoyable easy run shoe. But it was only downhill from there....
very good and honest review. im into 10k steps challenge only more on fat burning while maintaining muscle mass. more on walking slight jogging and its just fits my needs. im an infinity run4 extra wide user.
This is your shoe then.
its like an upgrade of a motiva. like if you like walking a lot and want to engage in a little bit of jogging and running. this shoe is best for you.
100% yup… that’s what this is.
Just came back trying the Infinity FK 3. It's heavy and low breathability upper. Despite 45% discount , I put it back on the shelf. And here we are with the 4th iteration even heavier and bulkier...what is wrong with Nike?? Tq for the review
The IR3FK is a lightweight slipper compared to the IR4. It’s that drastic.
I got this shoes and walking in them is amazing doesn't even feel heavy and they look so good in full black and full white. My only concern is when you stand still in one spot for a long time, my calves started to ache. I dunno what's up with that. I kinda want to return them now but first i ordered on cloud shoes with similar price and compare if they better than i will may or may not return this.
The sore calves are likely form the instability in the foam when standing. All the micro movements your legs are doing to balance yourself. Definitely something you’ll run into if you are only wearing these casually.
I’ve never been able to run in Infinity Run shoes because of the plastic heel clip (digs into the side of my foot). I’m optimistic about them now that I know there’s no heel clip.
Sculpted foam around the heel is a much better solution to the problem for sure.
That looks more like a revamp of their recently released nike motiva shoes. The motiva is better as a walking shoe. I purchased both the invincible 3 for running and the motiva for walking which works really good for me.
Wouldn’t say it’s a revamp, but it’s made to work with it… as I point out in the video. If the Motiva is a walking/jogging shoe, the IR4 is a jogging/running shoe.
Nike doing their best making every shoe worse every new iteration.
I wouldn’t say that across the board… but it does seem this one has gone the wrong direction for many runners. Then again it seems the target market for the shoe has shifted greatly too.
Vaporfly 3 is the only improvement compared to previous models
@@iasgreco The upper most people absolutely hate.
Was thinking the same thing..
Although I do like the newest version of the invincible zoom x run.
@@Akeoni the Nike Invincible 3, Vaporfly 3 and Pegasus 40 are all great updates and Nike at the top of their game. Most other things they have released this year though are iffy at best.
I wore these to work and gave me such a pain I needed Ibuprofen and muscle relaxers had to return it next day
The geometry in them is definitely hardcore if you aren’t used to them. So many odd choices with this shoe.
The Pegasus 39 was a great show. The Pegasus 40 does not fit me right; my heels slips and makes me Achilles hurt. Got these shoes, great fit. Not as athletic but keeps your foot in place.
Interesting. I had a horrible fit in the IR4, even with the half size up. Also the Peg 39 was pretty good but the Peg 40 is one of the best fits of any Nike shoe ever for my foot.
I’m glad these worked for you though.
Nike Motiva has an aggressive rocker geometry. I own a pair, but I can’t wear them all day. They propel me forward in every step I take. The downside is if I wear them for too long, I feel that my arch area is sore at the end of the day. I’d imagine the infinity run has a less rocker geometry with similar concept.
Yes. Way less extreme but familiar if you are coming from the Motiva. I don’t own a pair but tried them on in the store and walked around in them a bit. There is definitely a connection between the two shoes, though the Infinity 4 has better materials overall.
For another reference, that is going to be approximately 440g in a size 13 US, which is more than the Scott Supertrac Ultra RC - which is a heavy trail shoe. The Scott is the worst and heaviest running shoe I have ever used. It’s more of a low-cut hiking boot. This is an absurd weight for a road running shoe.
Agree. I’m not one to complain about a shoe being too heavy… but this is really pushing the boundary for that for me.
For some reason Infinity React FK 3 and I are besties (this is the previous iteration of this shoe right?) - as a daily trainer. It just works for me.
So I was excited to try this version 4, and I just dont like how it feels. Its flat for me. I feel quicker and more stable in v3.
I'm actually on the hunt to buy v3 on discount stores to keep a spare when my current ones retire.
The Infinity 1-3 were all great. I logged many many kms/mis in them, especially the 1. That is what makes the IR4 update even more insulting...the legacy of what the Infinity was...
i love his review style. my nerdy brain cant get enough of the details
Haha. I’m glad it was interesting and useful! 🤙🏻
Then you'll love my channel. Especially when I talk about a good shoe. 🤙🏻
I've been a Nike fanboy off & on since 1978, but currently, they are in sad shape (apart from their supershoes.) My current lineup is now mostly Saucony, New Balance, and Skechers (plus a pair of Alphaflys and a pair of Vaporflys I hardly ever wear.)
Nike has had some outstanding updates and releases this year. The Vaporfly 3, Invincible 3 and Pegasus 40 are all magnificent. But yes, compared to so other brands in running I can see where people are not as into Nike anymore. Some other brands have really been hitting all the notes lately.
My New Balance 1080V12 felt negative drop despite stating 8mm. The site that cuts open shoes (Solar...) found 3mm and I swear my pair has negative drop.. I added a heel step of 8mm and they feel normal.. I also need to add it to the Alphafly V1.
AF1 was a 4mm drop but it very much felt lower or negative. I never had an issue with that but I know many did.
I love exteem front rocker. Plus bouncy midsole. Adidas Pro 3 has it.. Probably Endorphin Elite wil😮be perfect despite my snail pace.. Waiting for a big sale as they are so expensive..
Funny enough the day after Indid my last run in the IR4… I did a tempo workout in the AP3. The AP3 does has a heel-to-toe rocker for sure… but it also has a very defined toe spring and forefoot rocker which feels amazing. Even with the dismal upper the AP3 is becoming one of my favorite shoes!
@@SagasuRunning I run today in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2. It was 95 degree and 80% humidity with strong winds (heatwave in Europe) and this at 05:20.. I was planning to run for my Sunday morning long run.. Out the door the heatwave hit me so I decided on an easy run just to stay sane.. In the end I did an 8 mile which I thought was easy but Garmin says Threshold 🙄.. But when I did an easy 8 miles in the Adidas Pro 3 my Achilles Tendon and low calf muscle were dead.. Today in the Puma Deviate Nitro Elite 2 they were fine. The Puma is low stack and really don't have the pop and rocker of the Adidas Pro 3. I did do the same run at Tempo pace in both the Boston 12 and Adidas Pro 3 to compare. Both felt good and NO pains at all after the Tempo long run.. But the matrices are SO much better in the Adidas Pro 3.. It's really a great shoe and having wide feet fits me like a glove. Only the fit of the Takumi sen 9 was a non starter 😭
@@i.p2088 it’s been 32-36c here since May. It’s only getting hotter. So I totally understand about having to adjust on the fly. Some days the heat hits hard than others.
I do love the wide forefoot of the AP3. The A8 marches it and they are such a great training pair.
i have my pegasus 40 with about like 150/200km and i'm going to prepare an half marathon, so i was curious about this shoes for long run, but i think i'll stay with my peg, or maybe i'll wait for Vomero 17. Think with all the roster of nike shoes we don't need another plushy shoes like this ( vomero 17 is rumored to not have any zoom pocket forefoot/ heel but only zoomX and cushlon 3.0 and will be the perfect mix between Peg and Invincible)
We have seen the Vomero 17 and there are early reviews out right now. It seems like a plush shoe, not as soft as this shoe, but soft and still fairly heavy. No zoom air, just two layers of foam, ZoomX under the foot and Cushlon 2.0 as a carrier under that. For serious training it will be the much better option. Definitely the one you want over the IR4.
Infinite run have always been my go to shoe in my rotation for work shoes where im on my feet for 8 hours mostly on concrete, but im kind of on the fence with these ones. Ill probably get a pair down the line when they go on sale and can snag them for under $100, but definitely not going to pay retail
For a walking and standing shoe, it is very good. Much better than the IR1-3 for that…
@lordryukatsai Probably the Infinity RN 4 that. It will be softer and more supportive. I’m actually wearing this pair as casual shoes and like them for that purpose. If you do get these for casual wear, size up a half size to make room for normal socks and your feet to swell after a day in your feet. 🤙🏻
very very interesting review, new subscriber here 🙌🏽
curious whether injection moulding is cheaper than compression moulding, in your opinion/experience?
It’s about the same when you compare them. With compression molding you have the pre-production of manufacturing the blanks, which you don’t with injection molding. However injection molding can require more tooling post molding and the QC process is more involved with softer materials.
Actual mold production and lifespan differs between the two as well.
Many other factors also contribute to cost.
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thank you for the insight! would love to read up / learn more about the differences in these techniques and how the resultant foams/rides differ if there are any resources you can point me to@@SagasuRunning 🙏
@taroonbali Nothing comes to mind, especially running related. I was speaking for my experience working with the processes. I’ll keep my eye open. If I see anything I’ll share it here.
Looking forward to the Vomero 17, hoping it's sub 320 grams in my us 12, that's usually the breakoff point for feeling heavy.
We shall see. However, given how Nike has been trending I’d not hold my breath for that weight for a size 12. Maybe the reference size 9… but likely not larger than that.
I’m curious how Kuching will weight too.
@@SagasuRunningYeah, better to temper expectations. I still love the Peg 39 for daily miles, especially when you can find them for 75€!
There's something bluecollar about just running in the Pegasus that I like as well, haha
@@QronoZ713 Simplicity is usually good. For sure.
Vomero 16 is 376g for me in a US 14. Peg 40 371g and Peg 39 about 355g. How does that compare in a US 12? My guess about 30g lighter. For a daily trainer none of these felt heavy per se but equally hardy Endorphin Speed or Peg Turbo racer/trainer type shoes but then again never billed as such. I did find it a bit odd that whilst the Peg 40 and Peg 39 are very similar a upper "upgrade" added 16g. With this shoe being way heavier, I agree with SagasuRunning that a much lighter Vomero 17 over 16 is very unlikely. Hope it turns out better than this new one seems to be though!
I really liked the bit about documentation -- thanks for sharing the insights 😉Would be happy for more!
Naive question: Why can't they say who is a target audience? Or maybe who are in primary audience? Or primary use case for the shoes? I can see them losing a little bit of consumers outside the target (not definite though, there are tons of PRO devices which are not used for PRO activities), but aren't the one inside would be much more satisfied with clear explanation of technologies and use scenarios?
They 100% have this documentation internally. It’s how the plan and measure a product success.
The only way you ever see this manifest on the consumer side is some type of product matrix comparing one product to another. Nike haven’t done one of those for running in many years. Even then they never want to say a specific user for a product like a running shoe as they don’t want to pigeon hole it to that one market. They would like it to have as broad appeal as possible, even though internally they did have both an ideal consumer and a ideal consumer journey for it.
Coming soon to Nike outlets everywhere
Likely. Also to be fair. This is one of those Nike’s that is perpetually on sale in many places as well.
This is the absolute boat! I don’t understand what these big brands are doing no idea. Like they all must be high or drunk or something like I think they are working on a lab and not testing shoes like running it and having people test them
As I point out in this video I don’t think this is really a dedicated running shoe anymore, it’s a fitness shoe you can run in…. But it still doesn’t justify the weight at all!
good video but how about durability !!!!?? i am 240 pounds yet i run 35km a week the reason i run in react runners is durability but you didn't touch on that very important side
The rubber compound on these is very soft and in other reviews has been shown to wear quickly. Plus at 240lbs…. You will bottom out this shoe. ReactX in this shoe is not React from the shoes you mentioned.
I’d like at the Asics Nimbus 26 or the Novablast 4…. Possibly even the Saucony Triumph 22 over these.
@@SagasuRunning u r spot on !!!! i tried the Invincible run and I squashed it in a month but bizarrely enough I find the VaporFly 1 and 2 very fitting and oddly durable despite my weight ..... i still have 4 pairs I got at a final sale last year ...thank you for your thorough point-by-point analysis even for the shoes i won't be buying i enjoyed very much your videos
It looks like a completely different shoe. . . Doesnt have a infinity DNA anymore
Right?
I does follow the current Nike running design language. But, as you said, none of the DNA that made the Infinity series and Infinity is here… besides the mild stability element (which is done much better).
Would you say these are great walking shoes?
They are excellent for walking. I’ve been enjoying mine casually doing just that. As a dedicated walking shoe they will work very well.
Do you think the pegasus 41 will have reactx in it?
I think so. As we learn more about ReactX… I’ll come back with a ReactX video .
Right now it does seem ReactX is replacing React. If I read their PR copy about. We shall see.
It’s an all rounder
Ya...to go to get coffee, wear to yoga class and maybe run 2k on the treadmill at the gym... not much more sadly.
@@SagasuRunning plus the black and gold color looks amazing!!
Nike should drop the Run and just name this shoe iteration the Nike Infinity, in my opinion.
Agree. They did drop the "u", thats a start. 🤣
Bro this is scientific AF
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Great walking shoe. Not a huge fan of running it in. 😂
Agree. If you get the size right it’s an excellent casual and walking shoe. Then again, that is really what it is meant for anyway. It’s a fitness shoe.
Ironic for this shoe to be “reducing” carbon footprint but majority of these are just going straight to landfills because no one would really want to buy these because of multiple reasons (weight, price, aesthethics, etc.) 🤦🏻♂️🥴
Sadly, that is a very possible outcome with this one.
353 gr!!! 🙄
Yup, for a 10 US Men’s, my 9 US Mens was around 322g….
Did not want to believe it and tried them anyway. They are a brick😂
Hahaha. I did try to warn you. 😎
@@SagasuRunning yeah you were right about every aspect of this shoe but I liked the v3 so wanted to love this shoe. Sooo hate it as a forefoot striker it is truly horrible 😬
Ya… this shoe is not made for forefoot strikers at all… true midfoot is decent and heel striking is optimal.
Forget about performance, to be frank - it's ugly. 👎
BTW how heavy are you weighing in aesthetics when you buy running shoes? Because I try to not get swayed by looks, if the performance/comfort isn't there, but that's it - I "try" 😁
There are definitely uglier running shoes out there. I don’t think it’s that bad.
I care about aesthetics… but what I value more of a cohesive design direction in how the products work together and relate to one another. Nike and Adidas do a very good job with bro. Asics is beginning to get there too.
I can’t think of any shoes I completely loved from a performance POV and hated aesthetically. But there are definitely been shoes (and brands) I avoid to to aesthetics.
Best Nike shoes for me invincible 1/2 Nike temp % and the alpha fly 1 love these shoes, rest very meh.
@@FatUglySadMan It is so interesting how we all have our personal preferences and can find shoes we love. I've spent a lot of time in all the shoes on your list but can't say I loved any of them.
bro, you're bashing on that shoe, but you should know by now, infinity line is for entry level runners. their goal is to make almost every amateur comfortable.
so obviously you can't compare with invincible or pegasus.
Its like to compare pegasus to vaporfly, makes no sense
I think nike is doing a great job, especially because the problem of infinity 3 was the bpring midsole
I spend over 10 minutes of this video talking about how this shoe is really designed for newer runners and how the overdesigned aspect of this shoe will benefit them.
But they doesn’t justify a bad shoe. The Pegasus IS also designed to be a shoe for everyone but it excels at working well.
Also… the midsole in the Infinity 1-3 was very good. This one could be good but it’s very hard to tell given all the rubber and upper.
@@SagasuRunning Pegasus is indeed for every runner, but not for everyone. my girlfriend for example, can't run in pegasus, too demanding. she's much better off with infinity 3. I would die from boredom in the infinity's, that doesn't mean its a bad shoe.
so if they added a little bit of fun factor to the line, without compromising stability and comfort, IMO its a hit
@AnDre-fj5lb The Infinity 3 is a great shoe. I literally have close to 3000 miles in the Infinity series, most of that in the 1, a big chunk in the 2 and a little in the 3 (I didn’t like the upper for running, but the midsole/outsole was still very good). I’m not slamming the Infinity series here. Even with the 4, while I don’t think it is a very good dedicated running shoe (a step backwards from the Infinity 1-3)… it’s an outstanding fitness shoe that you can run in (not just jog in) the will protect and help newer runners grow in confidence and ability.
A bridge form the Well Collective to Nike Running… as I explained in the video I can see the consumer journey from Motiva to a infinity 4 to Zoom Fly 5 or Invincible 3…. It makes total sense and is very clearly executed.
@@SagasuRunning ok now I get the point, so you literally prefer 1-3 infinitys. you think the new nike running line looks more fancy, but they are less functional?
I thinks the Infinity 4 is a all together different shoe for a different user than the 1-3 was. The first half of this review I come at it as someone expect more of the Infinity 1-3… but then I switch and try to explain why I think there has been such a change.
I think Nike has been nailing their updates this year. The Vaporfly e, Invincible 3 and Peg 40 are all outstanding updates and considerably better than their predecessors.
But the Infinity 4 is a different shoe for different users now… and that’s ok.
Ugly ass shoes. My god i should have stocked up 10 pairs of the Epic React,
I never liked the look of the Epic Reacts… but they were fun to run in back in their day.
Excuse me, not your fault of course, but I can't waste my time watching a 12.5oz so called "running" (???) shoe review. Why should people buy a brick, when hundreds of lighter/cheaper/prettier/more technical/you name it shoes from at least a dozen other brands are available ???
I’m not one to harp on heavy shoes. I don’t mind a heavier shoe in training… but this one really pushing it.
It is a great shoe for a larger and newer runner, which feels like a core use case for this shoe.
@@SagasuRunning I don't know. I am a larger runner and the local running shoe store put me into a Brooks Beast 8 to train for my first marathon and it was a terrible, terrible experience. I'm just stubborn enough to keep going. I just looked up the old specs and it was about 500g in size 13 -- over a pound per foot.
@@brianreiter5572 The Beast is such a fitting name for that shoe.
This one isn’t as bad. Also the ReactX is much more reactive. It would be a much better choice. The mild stability features molded into the midsole are well done as well.
Nike is the worst when making shoes true to size the worst
They are usually very good and spot on for my foot, always have been…. But this one was totally off.
Nike sucks always has
I do t really agree on that… but we all have our personal preferences.
@SagasuRunning well if you support slave labor of kids making them then I'd say you don't have good morals
question on the shoes where were you able to purchase that color way thanks for your time
I don’t live in the US. I’m in Taiwan and this shoe is available in most Nike retail locations. This colorway is 1 of the 3-4 launch colorways.
i saw this at our local nike shop, i don't understand how its heavier than the invincible 3s 🤔
It’s considerably heavier… especially on foot. The I3 runs much lighter/smaller than it is. This one does not.