Everything We Learned From Netflix's Mr. McMahon Docuseries
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2024
- With the recent release of the Mr McMahon Docuseries on Netflix, Tom Campbell and Jack King are here to provide not only their thoughts, but deep dive into some of the newer details we've learned from the documentary about the former chairman and CEO of WWE, Vince McMahon.
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How many people binged watched 6 hours of this in 1 sitting on release day jeez
I did😔
Yes started at around 17:30pm, finished about 1:00 ish.
I did , at work. 😅
I feel dirty after this, the way they said what a wrestling fan wants... I really don't look fondly on the 90s now..
I didn't know the root of the Stephanie slut shaming and honestly I wonder what was into his head and can we recall how he portrayed his own daughter in 03..
Also Shane and Owen bit....
I did
I'll watch this later but I just finished the documentary and my thoughts are this:
- I have never said "Fuck off, (insert name here)!" more that I did here. Most of it aimed at Hogan, Vince, and Pritchard.
- Hope Pachitti got royalties for his vocal cameos.
- Paul Heyman's comment that Vince only had one monogamous relationship...and that was with the WWE...is the most accurate thing said by anyone.
Also, a surprise "Fuck off, Austin" for his comment on CTE.
I was gonna say the same, they used Pacitti's sound bytes twice.
@@MrWebby93 I thought that clip from Austin was taken out of context because what he said made no sense.
I flipped the bird to Phil mushnik, John stossel, and Richard belzer whenever they came on screen.
@@alexello1189glad I wasn’t the only one. 😂
Bruce's whole defense of Vince boils down to: "He paid for my wife's cancer treatment, he can't be a monster..."
there is a lot more of examples of this
@@wookieeMan06It’s also a false narrative.
It's like saying "but Jimmy Saville does a lot of charity work so he can't possibly be a monster!"
He's still paying Vince back for giving him his overly long Brother Love segments.
Bruce is such a pathetic loser. Not because of his wife or his feelings about Vince because of his wife, but because of the fact that he can't for one moment live in a reality based world and not try to work everybody. It's as if these clowns don't know this doc was tailored for fans who already know the stories being told. So we know the bullshit guys like him says.
This McMahon guy seems like a jerk.
K...
@@terrencepoinsett4169 K- ennedy... Vincent *Kennedy*. 😜
I love Norm Macdonald
It’s my contention that most rapists are hypocrites.
@@CiaranTube1 that is the worst part.
There’s definitely more to his & Stephanie’s relationship. Also Bruce Pritchard blatantly knows everything that went on.
Jim Ross also must known alot of shit about Vince, given the Yearss he worked for the dude. He even spoke about not being a part of the Doc..
I’m only 2 episodes in but Pritchard doesn’t let us down as one of Vince’s chief arse kissers.
Macho Man had sex with Stephanie allegedly
@@3dlp Bruce Prichard is a homunculus that Shane made in his secret laboratory, underneath Titan Towers, in another failed attempt to earn his father's affection. His fealty belongs to Vince.
I wonder if Vince has dirt on Bruce. That would explain a lot.
Day off work today so i binge watched the whole thing. As a wrestling fan since I was a child in 1999 i started looking up a lot of the WWE and Vince Mcmahon controversies thanks to the rise of the IWC community. This netflix series seems like it was originally was supposed to portray Vince and the WWE as a huge success despite many roadblocks and tragedies until the allegations emerged during production making the narrative shift to show Vince as an untrustworthy narrator.
My opinion of the series of the whole is that it is a magnificent story of the rise of WWE for non wrestling fans while long time wrestling fans who've devoured the WWE home video library won't learn anything new other than getting a kick out of the footage. I would still recommend everyone to watch it. One last opinion is that Bruce Prichard comes across poorly in the last episode defending Vince's humanity by giving the example of his wife getting the best medical treatment. Thats great for you Bruce we're all happy for you but Vince looking after his long term employee in that situation doesnt suddenly make him Mother Theresa in anyone elses eyes other than yours. Pablo Escobar took care of a whole community in his home country and he killed thousands of people. Both things can be true Bruce
I love how much Hulk and Bruce were proved as horrifically biased, liars and clueless. Hogan saying it will fail without him, then wwe goes on to be more profitable than ever
Hogan is just the biggest phonies and hypocrites honestly in my opinion. He may the GOAT to other people but to me he's not and never will be cuz he's just a liar and was corrupt with creative at that time
Hogan is a well known egomaniac when it came to wrestling. Yeah hulkamania was cool and all but we got so many better wrestlers and stars after him like the Rock, John Cena, Randy orton, Roman and more
Stone Cold is a bigger draw than Hogan could ever be. And he did it without burying everyone around him.....
Hogan was talking about McMahon resigning and honestly at the time it was a valid thought considering McMahon had been running the company for 30 years and Hogan had seen what happened when WCW had no central leadership.
The Shane McMahon stuff made me cry.
What stuff?? 😢
@@thesprock5270 Vince gives him the same if not worse emotional neglect he got from Vince SR I believe Shane throws himself from the Jumbotron tells his dad to buy UFC (ironically) and it’s still not enough simply because His father was affected and traumatized by his own upbringing and and by no fault of his own, Shane suffers.
Why do you think Shane walks out to fight Taker with his kids he is literally screaming “hello dad! Look!! I’m here!”
Said it himself “you buy me out like I bought it from my dad!” after raising his kid Shane giving him everything he needs like a Zoo Lion in captivity vs wild lion. How the eff can he fill your shoes vince without your support both emotionally and financially?
That’s just my taker (pun intended)
I felt so sorry for Shane, my guy did everything to get Vince's attention and It wasn't enough (nor worth it tbh)
If Vince would've been cross examined, he'll leave the interview or put his guards up... Best thing they give done was let him speak freely and just show how delusional he is.... That's how documentry filming work ..
This was my take on it as well. Given Vince's track record with interviewers who challenge him, I think the documentary took the best route they could
Vince really showed how unstable he is... emotionally and psychologically.
Shane McMahon said he was surprised his Dad hugged him after his taker match shows love is not given in that family. Shane's emotional response was so sincere .
We're watching Jack instead of giving Netflix money. If there's ever an incentive for him to finally do the restaurant forfeit, isn't it a financial one?
Honestly it should just be a Patreon goal at this point.
I could see AEW bringing in Tony Atlas off the back of this. Lol
is Pacitti in episode 6?? well his voice listed as reporter at about 46 n half mins
Yeah, it’s his audio reading out Stephanie’s “leaving WWE tweet”
I definitely heard his voice in the opening credits in the first episode
They address this.
Twice, episode 1 and episode 6
How are yu not able to tell the instant yu hear his voice??
Juat finshed it .....Dark side of the ring is far better and this felt like a history of the companys dark moment's rather then a documentary on Vince
Prichard: ~choking on a throat full of Vince~
Anybody With Sense: "Shut up, Bruce."
Bret is having last laugh that Vince screwed Vince at the end 😂
Imagine pretending Vince is bad. Yall are so easily manipulated. Imagine pretending rich dudes arent entitled to sex-retaries if they want it
Imagine trying to pretend Vince is Innocent because of Ego and not wanting to be proven wrong. Goes to show what you know the first person got 31 to your 0
@@FlawlessP401 What a moronic comment
@@FlawlessP401 you 🤡 proves your IQ
@@ultiementgmr6029 31 what??
HHH & Stephanie "Vegas Marriage" was later explained that Steph was in on it. It was a couple months into the Story, when HHH & VKM had a Hardcore Match where Steph turned on VKM.
Vince’s comments about Rita Chatterton and Owen Hart were vile.
@@michaelsinger4638 I skipped past Owen. I didn't wanna hear a word from any of them on that
@@BigDaddyBland87u didn’t miss anything. They said it was an accident and moved on. Jumped to new topic
You think, he came off as a narcissistic psychopath. Hell Paul Heyman didn't help...
The whole thing about the harness being faulty is a moot point there had to be a second safety line added. Plus, Russo wanted a quick release latch to make the decent look smoother.
My mark out moment was when I heard Pacitti's voice in the final episode 😅
Congratz buddy, ya made it in lol
He's in episode 1 too
I missed him. What was his voice over used for?
@@robcassey6043Steph’s resignation in episode six
@@Snake-i8xcheers for that i'll nip back in and check it out.
@@Snake-i8x found it, cheers for that. Can't believe i didn't realise that was Mr Pacitti.
1hr vid , but in the news room!
We all knew the stories.... But never from horse mouth...
Feels more like a brief history of WWE than Vince's Story.
they are one and the same
The bright roads ahead ending is probably going to age poorly. We'll have to wait and see.
I get the same vibe listening to Vince that got watching the presidential debate a couple weeks back.
Tony Atlas has always come across as a raw, honest guy.
According to Dutch Mantell, Tony tends to embellish certain stories (embellish is a direct quote).
Alot of Hogan in the documentary, AKA lots of lies. That said, I did like it.
Here you go, everything we learned from the documentary: NOT A DAMN THING
Do they bring up his creepy determination for incest storylines?
its mentioned briefly
Not a single mention of Randy Savage in any of the episodes starting to think whatever happened between vince and him had to have been way beyond business even if it wasn't the whole Stephanie rumors it's something pretty close.
It’s fascinating to watch a legit sociopath/psychopath talking. He is so used to be able to spin things in the moment that having contradictions edited in later didn’t occur to him. This doc confirms the impression I got after he was on McAfee’s show. He wanted his kids to take him down the way he took his father down and the fact they didn’t names them a disappointment. Also no way did the incidents of his father saying he loved him or was proud of him happen. He clearly made that up.
After Armageddon 1999, Stephanie and HHH admitted it was all a work from the beginning and they really did love each other. Stephanie did this as revenge for what her Dad put her through with the Ministry.
What we learned? They showed a hour of hogan saving WWF , and 30 seconds about the death of Owen hart.
Vince rotting in Jail till he's 100 will make Bret very happy😂
😂 won't spend a second in prison thanks to his wealth
@@Mark-eg2yd also no convictions but ignore that.
He won't be fully happy until Goldberg is in there with him
not happening it will be settled out of court she is suing hin the police is not a part of it
@@johansvensson833 Nah he is currently under federal investigation
Quite a good wrestling history documentary. Literally didn't learn anything new though. They didn't even mention the whole recent shitstorm until the last 30 minutes of the last episode.
Yeah thanks I'm going to skip to the last ep. Nothing new in the earlier episodes that I didn't already know from A&E and Dark Side of the ring .
Most of the doc just covers wwe. Not vince himself.
Just finished it.
For all the Vince-stans and incels, BROCK IS NEVER COMING BACK.
They’ll continue to be a bunch of misogynistic losers that just want things to be the same..
Idk, it's been reported that WWE wants him to return by Royal Rumble 2025
One hour, we’ve been blessed 👏👏
All the wrestlers with podcasts il be interesting after this..can see undertaker podcast being interesting and erics is on soon😂
good video
There’s a lot to pull from it but idk if I’m surprised by any of it. I’m honestly surprised WWE has a problem with this doc because it really feels like the doc is just interested in picking apart kayfabe Vince vs actual Vince and that just aligns with the era we’re in right now.
I agree that the doc doesn’t really hold anyone or anything accountable other than just saying “here look at this” which is fine but doesn’t do much in changing my opinion on anything. A lot of the Vince era can be boiled down to “Fun at the expense of our souls”.
Tony Atlas needs his own interview
Yea he was shockingly beyond honest in the documentary
US libel laws will have limited the ability to challenge Vince directly, but they can allude to challenging his comments. If they were to outright say he's lying the show would have never seen the light of day. Vince would have kept it tied up in court for years.
Because you have to be fair rather than this cringe believe all women trash
The multiple computer in the brain quote is something that I heard in therapy for My D.I.D evaluation and diagnosis. It's a way for My therapist to say "it's not your fault that some things are done or thought, because there are someone else there, and not you.
That bit made me think of DID too (my friend has it), BUT it does mention it as thoughts not other people so it might just be ADHD. Without a diagnosis we will never know
Vince was doing the mr McMahon character some years before the attitude era...he was doing it in the Memphis territory in the early 90's
I read that in the Vince McMahon book released last year.
Like all Netflix documentaries it’s heavily biased. I appreciate that Vince has done good things as referenced by Bruce Pritchard and his wife but you only have to look at the interviews Vince has done to see the mask slip. That’s not out of context editing. He clearly has a lot of issues (3 brains and one is thinking about sex). Ffs Vince, read the room. Of course his oldest friends will defend him and of course there are going to be subjective opinions on this but at the end of the day, the latest controversy is one of a long list. Whether you side with Vince or Janelle Grant, with anything like this the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Regardless of the outcome of that, the truth can only really be known by the participants. This reaffirmed a lot of what I thought of Vince before. He has almost a child’s mind and struggles emotionally with a lot of things. I think Jim Cornette said it best when he said something along the lines of “If you put Vince in a room with 10 psychiatrists, they’d go crazy and he’d walk out unchanged.”
Its like The Trickster in the Flash convincing his physchiatrist to unalive himself.
Did we actually learn anything that we didn't already know? It was a bit of a let-down, to be honest.
i got bored 4 episodes in realizing nothing more was gonna be really revealed
Pacitti audio in the opening credits …
Haven't finished it but when Bret was talking about Owen Hart is heart breaking seeing him well up talking about what Owen said to him when the screw job was done also fuck vince Bruce and hogan
No surprise that Vince was so cagey about talking about Sable coming back after suing him and WWE. Theres probably a NDA in place there. Considering he wanted to buy the doc to stop it being seen I was expecting it to be a lot worse than what it was.
My guess would be they interview Vince first then try to get him back but didn't work out.
Jack having to mention the doc again on the weekly podcast too, poor Jobber.
I feel like if Vince wasnt exposed for being a creep i feel like this docuseries would have ruined his legacy but it also showed he is as mad as we thought he is
I hope to god wwe fire Prichard, his parts in the last episode were beyond disgusting and embarrassing. He’s 100% one of the individuals in janels lawsuit would put my life on it
So no waiting just take her word for it😂😅😂😅
he was not in wwe at that time
I still can't believe Cody had him in the ring at mania. PR nightmare
@@user-gh5sd2nm5y I know, disappointed in Cody, he even got audible boos walking out at mania. I just hope TKO can be as cut throat about this as they are with their business. Just root him out before January and start this proper new era under triple h
I also feel really bad for HHH Shane and Steph, I don’t get why people lump them in with Vince’s horrendous activities, I know he’s pretty much Satan but I can’t imagine the Janel stuff was proudly flaunted to his children and son in law. Her immediately leaving when he made his return in 2023 is pretty telling on its own
Bruce and taker don’t come out looking good at all.
Diddler McMahon
Thanks for the recap. Now I don’t need to watch it.
I don't have netflix so I appreciate this lads 👌
One hour mini podcast. LFG!!!
Pacitti's voice in the first few mins of episode 1 was surprising!
I thought Adam was joking about this at first when he mentioned this on his Instagram story, but damn. Adam is a lucky person here.
He's in ep6 too
The series juxtaposition Vince's view of things with societal views on things which made him look terrible, so in that way, it had some realism in it.
Hulk Hogan was doing a lot of twisting of reality, esp when lying about the effects of concussion and CTE in wrestling.....he never fails to disappoint..LoL
49:10 This Vince quote is exactly why billionaires should be taxed into oblivion. Damn near every single one of them thinks they can say stupid shit like this and just pretend it's true.
Yu seem to not comprehend economics & finance.
Can't tax on investments that haven't been cashed in on.
@@TheHardys01 Laws can be changed.
@@Frostbite08 🤯.......
Looks like someone needs to learn about what it is they were born into.
@@TheHardys01 Looks like someone wants to say nothing of substance but pretend they're the smartest person on the planet.
The problem is Income Tax used to be just for the Rich. Then it expanded.
One of favorite parts is Vince complaining about WCW outbidding and stealing his talent after he did the same to the territories and lobbying to deregulate sports authorities that were only trying to look after the health and safety of the wrestlers. Vince has overworked and worked against the wrestlers best interest for decades and now that WCW was giving them a better deal he is bitter?
Paul Hayman was so no nonsense about his take on Vince..he even consoles Stephanie when Vince returned to the business against her and HHHs wishes.
So essentially if you have the WWE "McMahon " DVD from 2006 ,it's the SAME thing?
Only got that dvd for Stephanie McMahon 😂 had a “huge” crush on her in the early 00s….i wonder why (. ) ( .) Didn’t give two shits about Vince story lol
i was so hyped for this doc but it just further enforced the fact that mfs on youtube can make just as good if not better content than billion dollar corporations
This doc really took it easy with Vince, for Netflix standards. But what's amazing (but not surprising) is that people like Bruce Pritchard sold himself out and defended Vince. The interviewees did their job. Vince had an opportunity to be honest. He predictably wasn't.
Great video guys loved it!
From P.Diddy to Mr McMahon in the words of Bill Goldberg “who’s next”?!???!
NYC mayor just got busted next is Kamala, Biden, and the Clintons
Anyone with a penis...the war on men is REAL
Oprah. Jay Z. Bono.
@@ledarbyromeo9667and Clive Davis
@@sandiletwala3001 oooo explain?
One thing I thought I'd hear was the Christy Hemme debacle. While she hasn't talked about it, there are a lot of wrestlers suggesting her initial WWE run was influenced by Vince's "affection" towards her and surprisingly a year in she was sacked and doing TNA shows. Hmmm....
Also Paul London's opinions would've been extra spicy added to that indian dish.
Nothing new here, it’s more of a history of WWE than a Vince doc. If you’ve seen previous docs/series before about Ruthless Aggression, Monday night wars, attitude era, or just know your wrestling there’s nothing new brought to the table really.
Some people never change, Shawn still not taking accountability. He says he screwed bret cause vince wanted him to. HE HIMSELF in the past, along with HHH...vince...pat...everyone, has all agreed that Shawn was the one who originally brought up the idea with HHH then saying "Fuck him it's your belt just take it" but it was shawn who demanded he wins the title in Montreal and REFUSED to wait
Mini podcast yayyy
Creators said Vince would cut his time short on the shoot and everyone interviewed didn’t know what they were allowed to say. Everyone knows all the background Vid on the “Montreal ScrewJob” and all involved tried to change the story. Triple H says it was his idea and sworn to secrecy???? They were mic’d up when Brett and Vince agreed Brett would forfeit the belt and Survivor would end in a smohz
Documentary looked very professional, but that's about it. Everything on there is well known already. Heck, i learned more about the other wrestlers and wwe than Vince himself. We will never know the real vince mcmahon (a deep dive into his life).
I really wish they showed him tearing his quads. That’s a career highlight for him
The series was more of a WWF/E retrospective, instead of being about Vince himself. But certain comments on specific controversies were damning
I do think they 100% had to not dig into Vince or they wouldn't be able to get what they did. He did refuse to continue the filming when the allegations came out.
As someone who isnt really big into the history of wrestling, I learned stuff I never knew like the whole Owen Hart situation. It shocked me.
Overall, it felt like it was made with an attempt to discuss with a bear without poking it too much but not giving it any real treats.
I'm merely surprised you've managed to make a 60 minute video on what we've learned because it doesn't seem like anyone learned much at all from it except "Steve Austin might be suffering from CTE he doesnt believe exists"
Steph was in on the marriage drugging. When triple h and steph kiss after triple h vs vince they explain they planned this all along! I recently watched the whole storyline again on pea cock. I was confused too years ago
Brilliant strategy form WWE and Netflix having this come out the day that AEW hits 83 weeks without a million viewers.
it that true ?
@@johansvensson833 No, the ratings were going to be bad anyway.
Very trolly of you…
What did AEW do to piss you off so much????
@@MS-tz6fuevery Wrestling show has lost a large percentage of their ratings in the last few months. Even Punk coulsnt save NXT and even Roman couldnt get Smackdown to 1.5 Million.
And an unlikely hero emerges! Tony Atlas was the MVP for me.
Give it, like, five years, Vince will die, books will get written, and we'll all know a WHOLE LOT more
Facts
Do watch it people. 😅😅
isnt 1-5 shoot before all the news of vince and 6 is shoot after
Some of 6 like half
Honestly I'm just happy Wendi Ritcher's screwjob is getting more attention.
Imagine killing your entire women's division so you can keep paying your wrestlers in peanuts.
Best part of the documentary was learning that vince is actually a cyborg with two computers in his head (and sometimes a third that he can occasionally tap into).
Here's the thing. When you give your point of view, you're already taking accountability. Because you're explaining your thought process of your actions.
I don’t think it gives enough criticism on the things that aren’t like actually life ruining horrible stuff, like even in the first episode when they are talking about him bullying everyone out of the territories, his union busting, and his other very agressive business tactics, but they don’t actually give any sort of opinion and just let you form your own, even when honestly, they really should have called them out on their bs, those business practices ruined lives but they kinda just have vince saying “it’s America, what do you want” and they moved on uncontested.
Edit: also, the foriegn heel bs, they just had them say “wow, different Era” when there is just a very deeply rooted racism in the culture that needs to be examined and worked on, not ignored.
I have only watched episode 1, realized I am going to have to watch this is chunks. But from what I have heard so far, it can't be good.
You mean the documentary isn't good?
@@MustafaAli-lb8dq no, I mean the more shocking content that will come out in the later episodes.
It's common knowledge @@heatherwright3981
@@heatherwright3981 I rea dsome reviews. It said that the documentary tells us nothing new.
🤔
Ngl I popped hard when I heard Adam’s voice in one of the audio clips.
They didn't need the episode basically recapping the Monday Night Wars, the documentary should've gone more in Jimmy Snuka's murder of Nancy Argentino. That was just mentioned briefly, too briefly in my opinion.
Sable is married to the love of his life, Brock Lesnar. Of course he's not saying anything bad.
One thing you guys fed into that everyone seemed to is the point Austin made.
Everyone grabbed onto him saying "I dont believe in CTE" then the lingering camera shot.
If you guys LISTEN to what he said JUST A SENTENCE BEFORE THAT he was explaining he only ever had 1 concussion. He didnt get many cause he feels if you WRESTLE RIGHT and SAFTELY protect yourself and your partner/opponent then you shouldnt get one. If thats the case then he dont believe in CTE meaning IMO that he just doesnt believe that every wrestler has to get it if they worked safely.
Am I the only one who STRONGLY feels this is what he meant or you guys just think hes all of a sudden denying science?? Thoughts??
once again. Vince found a way to make something PG
Vince has a controversial career like P.Diddy,Harvey Weinstein,Donald Trump and Bill Cosby they also has a double life with scandal.
Does anyone mention how Adam Paciti’s voice is on the documentary?
I felt like Tony atlas Paul heyman and Bret were the only ones being honest
This documentary didn't reveal anything. It was flimsy and all of the stories discussed in it have already been rehashed millions of times online. Maybe for the uninitiated it might be an interesting watch, but I was very much disappointed.
At one point when talking about the attitude era Vince said it was relatively clean and “nobody died”
Brother, Owen actually DIED.
Pausing at 2:44 to make an observation: if the documentary makers actually tried to grill VKM on his many, many lies, he'd almost certainly have stormed out and refused to take any further part in the show. (He has previous for doing exactly this.) Fact checking him in post feels like a cop-out, but I'm not sure how else they could've done it without losing access to their subject.
The title of the doc was misleading, it should have been titled 'WWE and Vince McMahon" or something to that nature. This was more like a giant commercial for the programming coming to Netflix, with VKM narrating the big moments.
I thought your WWE The Golden age series put the Mr McMahon Doc to shame. Netflix produced a "Readers Digest" version of what you previously created, but told the tale thru the eyes of VKM.