I feel dirty after this, the way they said what a wrestling fan wants... I really don't look fondly on the 90s now.. I didn't know the root of the Stephanie slut shaming and honestly I wonder what was into his head and can we recall how he portrayed his own daughter in 03.. Also Shane and Owen bit....
Bruce is such a pathetic loser. Not because of his wife or his feelings about Vince because of his wife, but because of the fact that he can't for one moment live in a reality based world and not try to work everybody. It's as if these clowns don't know this doc was tailored for fans who already know the stories being told. So we know the bullshit guys like him says.
I'll watch this later but I just finished the documentary and my thoughts are this: - I have never said "Fuck off, (insert name here)!" more that I did here. Most of it aimed at Hogan, Vince, and Pritchard. - Hope Pachitti got royalties for his vocal cameos. - Paul Heyman's comment that Vince only had one monogamous relationship...and that was with the WWE...is the most accurate thing said by anyone.
@@thesprock5270 Vince gives him the same if not worse emotional neglect he got from Vince SR I believe Shane throws himself from the Jumbotron tells his dad to buy UFC (ironically) and it’s still not enough simply because His father was affected and traumatized by his own upbringing and and by no fault of his own, Shane suffers.
Said it himself “you buy me out like I bought it from my dad!” after raising his kid Shane giving him everything he needs like a Zoo Lion in captivity vs wild lion. How the eff can he fill your shoes vince without your support both emotionally and financially? That’s just my taker (pun intended)
@@3dlp Bruce Prichard is a homunculus that Shane made in his secret laboratory, underneath Titan Towers, in another failed attempt to earn his father's affection. His fealty belongs to Vince.
Hogan saying Benoit wouldn't get hurt from the flying headbutt sort of flies in the face of him saying doing the leg drop made him lose multiple inches of height
The whole thing about the harness being faulty is a moot point there had to be a second safety line added. Plus, Russo wanted a quick release latch to make the decent look smoother.
It’s fascinating to watch a legit sociopath/psychopath talking. He is so used to be able to spin things in the moment that having contradictions edited in later didn’t occur to him. This doc confirms the impression I got after he was on McAfee’s show. He wanted his kids to take him down the way he took his father down and the fact they didn’t names them a disappointment. Also no way did the incidents of his father saying he loved him or was proud of him happen. He clearly made that up.
If Vince would've been cross examined, he'll leave the interview or put his guards up... Best thing they give done was let him speak freely and just show how delusional he is.... That's how documentry filming work ..
Vince really showed how unstable he is... emotionally and psychologically. Shane McMahon said he was surprised his Dad hugged him after his taker match shows love is not given in that family. Shane's emotional response was so sincere .
I took it as they wanted to leave Vince looking at fault for all historical issues without giving a right to reply, so that moving forward (ie release date of doc onwards) it's a clean date for the new owners and relationships with media (particularly, Netflix). Apologies if this take is referenced, I'm only 12 mins in!
Day off work today so i binge watched the whole thing. As a wrestling fan since I was a child in 1999 i started looking up a lot of the WWE and Vince Mcmahon controversies thanks to the rise of the IWC community. This netflix series seems like it was originally was supposed to portray Vince and the WWE as a huge success despite many roadblocks and tragedies until the allegations emerged during production making the narrative shift to show Vince as an untrustworthy narrator. My opinion of the series of the whole is that it is a magnificent story of the rise of WWE for non wrestling fans while long time wrestling fans who've devoured the WWE home video library won't learn anything new other than getting a kick out of the footage. I would still recommend everyone to watch it. One last opinion is that Bruce Prichard comes across poorly in the last episode defending Vince's humanity by giving the example of his wife getting the best medical treatment. Thats great for you Bruce we're all happy for you but Vince looking after his long term employee in that situation doesnt suddenly make him Mother Theresa in anyone elses eyes other than yours. Pablo Escobar took care of a whole community in his home country and he killed thousands of people. Both things can be true Bruce
As someone who was not familiar with much the content of the series, this is exactly what it felt like to me. A WWE history documentary that turned into a Vince piece. I still really enjoyed it and loved seeing the history of WWE. I started watching as a kid around 2012ish, so a lot of what was in this was new to me, or I had only heard about.
Imagine trying to pretend Vince is Innocent because of Ego and not wanting to be proven wrong. Goes to show what you know the first person got 31 to your 0
HHH & Stephanie "Vegas Marriage" was later explained that Steph was in on it. It was a couple months into the Story, when HHH & VKM had a Hardcore Match where Steph turned on VKM.
Not a single mention of Randy Savage in any of the episodes starting to think whatever happened between vince and him had to have been way beyond business even if it wasn't the whole Stephanie rumors it's something pretty close.
I love how much Hulk and Bruce were proved as horrifically biased, liars and clueless. Hogan saying it will fail without him, then wwe goes on to be more profitable than ever
Hogan is just the biggest phonies and hypocrites honestly in my opinion. He may the GOAT to other people but to me he's not and never will be cuz he's just a liar and was corrupt with creative at that time
Hogan is a well known egomaniac when it came to wrestling. Yeah hulkamania was cool and all but we got so many better wrestlers and stars after him like the Rock, John Cena, Randy orton, Roman and more
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1idlmao, what a stupid thing to say, we can all agree on hating Hogan’s politics and lies but without Hogan there’s no wwe, Hogan did more than what steve did for MANY years, while austin did it for 2-3 years. Golden age Hogan was filling arenas everywhere on his own while Austin had The rock, HBK, Taker etc. Hogan > Austin in drawing power and its not even close.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id I can't stand Hogan AT ALL. He's a horrible human being. As much as it pains me to admit, wrestling is alive and where it is today because of Hogan. Unfortunately, we can't rewrite history and put Stone Cold or The Rock, or Cena, HH, HBK, as the person who made wrestling global, and who little kids went apes#!t over. Hogan really was the Michal Jordan of wrestling (in terms of bringing it to the masses). Maybe it was right place at the right time, but he was the one there in the early 80's. Of course, another terrible human being, Vince McMahon, was the one who made all this possible. We wouldn't be discussing this on YT and there wouldn't be all these podcasts without either, sadly. Almost reminds me of von Braun and NASA. History isn't always clean and proper.
We're watching Jack instead of giving Netflix money. If there's ever an incentive for him to finally do the restaurant forfeit, isn't it a financial one?
After Armageddon 1999, Stephanie and HHH admitted it was all a work from the beginning and they really did love each other. Stephanie did this as revenge for what her Dad put her through with the Ministry.
No surprise that Vince was so cagey about talking about Sable coming back after suing him and WWE. Theres probably a NDA in place there. Considering he wanted to buy the doc to stop it being seen I was expecting it to be a lot worse than what it was.
One of favorite parts is Vince complaining about WCW outbidding and stealing his talent after he did the same to the territories and lobbying to deregulate sports authorities that were only trying to look after the health and safety of the wrestlers. Vince has overworked and worked against the wrestlers best interest for decades and now that WCW was giving them a better deal he is bitter?
Haven't finished it but when Bret was talking about Owen Hart is heart breaking seeing him well up talking about what Owen said to him when the screw job was done also fuck vince Bruce and hogan
The crazy thing about the "Black out" part of the Owen issue is it wasn't fully blacked out. I was there and I for sure seen everything as we were too poor to afford good seats, so me and my dad was sitting right next to the ladder to the catwalk and had a conversation with Owen before he went up, and unfortunately seen him come down.
Loved the Adam moment in the documentary. Can you tell the story of WWE and Vince McMahon without Cultaholic…nope. Keep up the great work guys. This was a fantastic breakdown.
The multiple computer in the brain quote is something that I heard in therapy for My D.I.D evaluation and diagnosis. It's a way for My therapist to say "it's not your fault that some things are done or thought, because there are someone else there, and not you.
That bit made me think of DID too (my friend has it), BUT it does mention it as thoughts not other people so it might just be ADHD. Without a diagnosis we will never know
There’s a lot to pull from it but idk if I’m surprised by any of it. I’m honestly surprised WWE has a problem with this doc because it really feels like the doc is just interested in picking apart kayfabe Vince vs actual Vince and that just aligns with the era we’re in right now. I agree that the doc doesn’t really hold anyone or anything accountable other than just saying “here look at this” which is fine but doesn’t do much in changing my opinion on anything. A lot of the Vince era can be boiled down to “Fun at the expense of our souls”.
Just finished watching the docu-series - i know im late, but i came straight to this video after the last episode for 54:20 Wonder how Pacitti reacted when he heard it 😂
I actually felt bad for Shane McMahon. I get the feeling that regardless of what Shane does, Vince would never be impressed. I think Vince views Shane as someone he is competing with. Stephanie on the other hand is the person he considers most capable. It must hurt Shane to know he was passed over for his sister. There is definitely a weird dynamic between Vince and Shane. Shane spoke lime he respected his father whilst Vince spoke like he could care less about him. It was weird.
I'm glad y'all said the thing about wrestling fans vs non- wrestling fans. I had seen so many things going up how this was going to "bury Vince", and then spent most of the time watching it waiting to hear something I either 1) didn't know, or 2) wasn't at least vaguely aware of.
i was so hyped for this doc but it just further enforced the fact that mfs on youtube can make just as good if not better content than billion dollar corporations
The issue with the way Vince talks about always moving forward to next thing on and on is that throughout the series you see that is less of a work mentality itself and more of a 24/7 coping mechanism that can easilly (and has been) turn into a "''crutch''" to deny wrongdoing or any level of accountability. If he never pauses to analyse the abuse he been through and what happened to him and let him grieve and process how it impacted him, he also won't pause to the things he does to people or the environment he lets fester, as long as the end result is the two things he's always looking after (be it due to the trauma or not): money and power. Everytime that someone gets to get at him that doesn't end in any of these outcomes (just look back at all the times he gets verbally ripped in the ring) he tries to lash out in the most childish manner possible, almost like the moment someone has a point that puts him in a bad light he regresses back to when he was this "real life mangwa protagonist" kid. In a very short way he's always "moving on" to the next thing cause he's always in the run. And I'd theorize that he actually knows that and actively avoids it. Nobody can't deny that Vince is a very very smart man, but also a very very scared one.
Only got that dvd for Stephanie McMahon 😂 had a “huge” crush on her in the early 00s….i wonder why (. ) ( .) Didn’t give two shits about Vince story lol
Like all Netflix documentaries it’s heavily biased. I appreciate that Vince has done good things as referenced by Bruce Pritchard and his wife but you only have to look at the interviews Vince has done to see the mask slip. That’s not out of context editing. He clearly has a lot of issues (3 brains and one is thinking about sex). Ffs Vince, read the room. Of course his oldest friends will defend him and of course there are going to be subjective opinions on this but at the end of the day, the latest controversy is one of a long list. Whether you side with Vince or Janelle Grant, with anything like this the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Regardless of the outcome of that, the truth can only really be known by the participants. This reaffirmed a lot of what I thought of Vince before. He has almost a child’s mind and struggles emotionally with a lot of things. I think Jim Cornette said it best when he said something along the lines of “If you put Vince in a room with 10 psychiatrists, they’d go crazy and he’d walk out unchanged.”
I feel like if Vince wasnt exposed for being a creep i feel like this docuseries would have ruined his legacy but it also showed he is as mad as we thought he is
I think what the documentary did was exposed who Vince really is. That his character and the man are the same. It showed how he carelessly backstabs and humiliated the people around him, his wife, his children, his friends, the people who basically give their lives to him. painting a picture that if he could do all that to the people he supposedly loves, then it’s easy to see how he could do everything he’s accused of. Watching Triple H talk about Vince McMahon happy about the crowd chanting slut at his daughter… they can call it acting all they want, But psychologically that shit fucks with you, she was a young woman who had no acting background. And Vince was not concerned for her at all. You could see the pain on Paul’s face when he told that story about his wife. It broke my heart. he was the only one in that family that was able to acknowledge that what Vince put the family through was not OK. Everyone else just kept saying “oh it was acting”. Sure it’s acting, but when the part is a comatose wife in a wheelchair, watching her husband cheat on her with a younger woman after he’s cheated on you in real life with multiple younger women… Honestly, Vince was the cruellest to his own family. Like I knew what a shit person Vince was and I didn’t really learn anything new in this documentary, But the way they presented the information was very effective, and it had me really emotional. I’m a female in my late 30s. I grew up watching the attitude era. And now looking back as an adult woman on the way the women were treated, and the things Vince had his family do. It breaks my heart and makes me angry all the same time. And then on a human level just the way he treated people who gave him Everything made me sick. A lot of those wrestlers were loyal and did anything Vince wanted, and he just turned around and stab them in the back. Vince McMahon is a horrible person
One of the big things that piss me off is how Vince flatly denies Benoit was suffering from CTE even though he had been presented the facts that Benoit was.
One thing I thought I'd hear was the Christy Hemme debacle. While she hasn't talked about it, there are a lot of wrestlers suggesting her initial WWE run was influenced by Vince's "affection" towards her and surprisingly a year in she was sacked and doing TNA shows. Hmmm.... Also Paul London's opinions would've been extra spicy added to that indian dish.
I do think they 100% had to not dig into Vince or they wouldn't be able to get what they did. He did refuse to continue the filming when the allegations came out. As someone who isnt really big into the history of wrestling, I learned stuff I never knew like the whole Owen Hart situation. It shocked me. Overall, it felt like it was made with an attempt to discuss with a bear without poking it too much but not giving it any real treats.
Some people never change, Shawn still not taking accountability. He says he screwed bret cause vince wanted him to. HE HIMSELF in the past, along with HHH...vince...pat...everyone, has all agreed that Shawn was the one who originally brought up the idea with HHH then saying "Fuck him it's your belt just take it" but it was shawn who demanded he wins the title in Montreal and REFUSED to wait
This doc really took it easy with Vince, for Netflix standards. But what's amazing (but not surprising) is that people like Bruce Pritchard sold himself out and defended Vince. The interviewees did their job. Vince had an opportunity to be honest. He predictably wasn't.
Quite a good wrestling history documentary. Literally didn't learn anything new though. They didn't even mention the whole recent shitstorm until the last 30 minutes of the last episode.
Nothing new here, it’s more of a history of WWE than a Vince doc. If you’ve seen previous docs/series before about Ruthless Aggression, Monday night wars, attitude era, or just know your wrestling there’s nothing new brought to the table really.
US libel laws will have limited the ability to challenge Vince directly, but they can allude to challenging his comments. If they were to outright say he's lying the show would have never seen the light of day. Vince would have kept it tied up in court for years.
Everything everyone says in the documentary makes sense to their characters. It was a great documentary about the history of WWE. They definitely made it a mcmahon documentary later in the work because of the controversies that happened later.
I remember the 1999 Over the Edge, My friend had PPV on Sky, and we watched it. I was shocked, People said it was a manakin dropped. No one could believe it, even when JR announced Owen's passing. It wasn't until I saw the look on Mark's face that I knew something terrible had happened. He looked broken, I'd been following the Undertaker since I was little and first saw him fight André the Giant I'd never seen him look that upset.
I thought it was ok, but honestly, this channel seriously did better work to me. The Golden Era was fantastic by you guys can't wait for the New Generation, Attitude, and Ruthless Aggression, and PG eras. The doc didn't know what it wanted to be. Vince will go down as the Walt Disney of Pro Wrestling. If you're a fan, you knew of most of his crap once it got public. The man did have Diddy perform at my last Mania I went to (29). There is stuff out there, but how much will the public know, really?
After jusr finishing this on Netflix, genuinely surprised you have a 1 hour video on it. Felt like everything in it was stuff we as wrestling fans already knew. As for Pritchard claiming they did a hatchet job on McMahon i think most of the doc was fluffy.
Documentary looked very professional, but that's about it. Everything on there is well known already. Heck, i learned more about the other wrestlers and wwe than Vince himself. We will never know the real vince mcmahon (a deep dive into his life).
I think Austin said he "doesn't believe in CTE" because he is forcing himself not to believe in it as he has a fear of it. The ear grab may have been him calming himself down, not because he was lying but because he was scared that he already had CTE.
That 1st 3 mins of episode 6 was a trip. Him saying his 3rd brain thinks of fun things to do + $ex. Vince pretty much spoiled the ending. It's so wild he pushed his way back to wwe, sold it and got to be chairman and head of creative AFTER the lawsuit and retiring.
I liked it as a whole as this is the most I've seen of Vince in any interview. My only issue was that I was hoping for more of a character study of Vince but this was more like the history of WWE with bts commentary from Vince. I was hoping to know more about how the guy thought, but only episode 5 gives a glimpse into it.
41:59 reminds me of the relationship of Henry and Edsel Ford. Main difrence was Henry outlived Edsel by 4 years. I like to think he regretted it, especially since he gave the company to Edsel's son Henry II(who was the CEO in the Biopic Ford Vs Ferrari)
This doc was made for people that don’t know much, or anything, about wrestling. I am 40 and never watched it, but had friends that were all in. So I know just enough to answer very generic pop culture things, but not really details. Like I remember the Hulk cartoon the same way I remember the Bo Jackson cartoon. I remember my buddies had NWO shirts and The Undertaker liked to Tombstone people. My wife knows nothing except The Rock and John Cena wrestled and now makes movies that are funny. We watched it and were shocked. My buddy went “This is all common knowledge”. So I think the level of engagement really depends on your entry level. Bc the fact people are saying “The Doc wasn’t tough enough on him” makes me go “Christ… did this guy give Hitler a run for his money if this wasn’t tough enough??”
@@MS-tz6fuevery Wrestling show has lost a large percentage of their ratings in the last few months. Even Punk coulsnt save NXT and even Roman couldnt get Smackdown to 1.5 Million.
I think its a great documentary for LAPSED wrestling fans who aren't aware of this stuff Generally thought it displayed the importance of a strong bond with your dad, especially as a guy - as seen with how hard VKM had it growing up then following into Shane feeling he needed to earn a hug/respect from Vince
Best part of the documentary was learning that vince is actually a cyborg with two computers in his head (and sometimes a third that he can occasionally tap into).
I hope to god wwe fire Prichard, his parts in the last episode were beyond disgusting and embarrassing. He’s 100% one of the individuals in janels lawsuit would put my life on it
@@user-gh5sd2nm5y I know, disappointed in Cody, he even got audible boos walking out at mania. I just hope TKO can be as cut throat about this as they are with their business. Just root him out before January and start this proper new era under triple h I also feel really bad for HHH Shane and Steph, I don’t get why people lump them in with Vince’s horrendous activities, I know he’s pretty much Satan but I can’t imagine the Janel stuff was proudly flaunted to his children and son in law. Her immediately leaving when he made his return in 2023 is pretty telling on its own
Stephanie turned heel with HHH at the end of a match between Vince & HHH where she didn’t stop HHH hitting Vince with a sledgehammer. She said it was revenge for the stuff Vince got Undertaker to do to Stephanie when Vince was “the Higher Power”
I still think the documentary does more damage to any legal action that will be taken against Vince in the future because anyone who is potential juror in any trial will not be able to listen to facts and stay unbiased, hell I just finished the documentary and there is no way I could be impartial after what I heard and saw.
How many people binged watched 6 hours of this in 1 sitting on release day jeez
I did😔
Yes started at around 17:30pm, finished about 1:00 ish.
I did , at work. 😅
I feel dirty after this, the way they said what a wrestling fan wants... I really don't look fondly on the 90s now..
I didn't know the root of the Stephanie slut shaming and honestly I wonder what was into his head and can we recall how he portrayed his own daughter in 03..
Also Shane and Owen bit....
I did
Bruce's whole defense of Vince boils down to: "He paid for my wife's cancer treatment, he can't be a monster..."
there is a lot more of examples of this
@@wookieeMan06It’s also a false narrative.
It's like saying "but Jimmy Saville does a lot of charity work so he can't possibly be a monster!"
He's still paying Vince back for giving him his overly long Brother Love segments.
Bruce is such a pathetic loser. Not because of his wife or his feelings about Vince because of his wife, but because of the fact that he can't for one moment live in a reality based world and not try to work everybody. It's as if these clowns don't know this doc was tailored for fans who already know the stories being told. So we know the bullshit guys like him says.
I'll watch this later but I just finished the documentary and my thoughts are this:
- I have never said "Fuck off, (insert name here)!" more that I did here. Most of it aimed at Hogan, Vince, and Pritchard.
- Hope Pachitti got royalties for his vocal cameos.
- Paul Heyman's comment that Vince only had one monogamous relationship...and that was with the WWE...is the most accurate thing said by anyone.
Also, a surprise "Fuck off, Austin" for his comment on CTE.
I was gonna say the same, they used Pacitti's sound bytes twice.
@@MrWebby93 I thought that clip from Austin was taken out of context because what he said made no sense.
I flipped the bird to Phil mushnik, John stossel, and Richard belzer whenever they came on screen.
@@alexello1189glad I wasn’t the only one. 😂
Feels more like a brief history of WWE than Vince's Story.
they are one and the same
Well outside of certain situations, Vince was working almost 20/7 a week. For decades, so alot of it lines up.
What else was Vince's life than the WWE?
It's all he had and all he did.
@@thrahxvaug6430 the trailer park, the time he found to shit on women's faces?
The Shane McMahon stuff made me cry.
What stuff?? 😢
@@thesprock5270 Vince gives him the same if not worse emotional neglect he got from Vince SR I believe Shane throws himself from the Jumbotron tells his dad to buy UFC (ironically) and it’s still not enough simply because His father was affected and traumatized by his own upbringing and and by no fault of his own, Shane suffers.
Why do you think Shane walks out to fight Taker with his kids he is literally screaming “hello dad! Look!! I’m here!”
Said it himself “you buy me out like I bought it from my dad!” after raising his kid Shane giving him everything he needs like a Zoo Lion in captivity vs wild lion. How the eff can he fill your shoes vince without your support both emotionally and financially?
That’s just my taker (pun intended)
I felt so sorry for Shane, my guy did everything to get Vince's attention and It wasn't enough (nor worth it tbh)
This McMahon guy seems like a jerk.
K...
@@terrencepoinsett4169 K- ennedy... Vincent *Kennedy*. 😜
I love Norm Macdonald
It’s my contention that most rapists are hypocrites.
@@CiaranTube1 that is the worst part.
There’s definitely more to his & Stephanie’s relationship. Also Bruce Pritchard blatantly knows everything that went on.
Jim Ross also must known alot of shit about Vince, given the Yearss he worked for the dude. He even spoke about not being a part of the Doc..
I’m only 2 episodes in but Pritchard doesn’t let us down as one of Vince’s chief arse kissers.
Macho Man had sex with Stephanie allegedly
@@3dlp Bruce Prichard is a homunculus that Shane made in his secret laboratory, underneath Titan Towers, in another failed attempt to earn his father's affection. His fealty belongs to Vince.
I wonder if Vince has dirt on Bruce. That would explain a lot.
Hogan saying Benoit wouldn't get hurt from the flying headbutt sort of flies in the face of him saying doing the leg drop made him lose multiple inches of height
It flies in the face of his own comments in the documentary.
Almost like he's a serial liar or something 😂
Vince’s comments about Rita Chatterton and Owen Hart were vile.
@@michaelsinger4638 I skipped past Owen. I didn't wanna hear a word from any of them on that
@@BigDaddyBland87u didn’t miss anything. They said it was an accident and moved on. Jumped to new topic
You think, he came off as a narcissistic psychopath. Hell Paul Heyman didn't help...
The whole thing about the harness being faulty is a moot point there had to be a second safety line added. Plus, Russo wanted a quick release latch to make the decent look smoother.
The rita stuff made me feel a little sick. Especially when he brought up the Statute of Limitations
It’s fascinating to watch a legit sociopath/psychopath talking. He is so used to be able to spin things in the moment that having contradictions edited in later didn’t occur to him. This doc confirms the impression I got after he was on McAfee’s show. He wanted his kids to take him down the way he took his father down and the fact they didn’t names them a disappointment. Also no way did the incidents of his father saying he loved him or was proud of him happen. He clearly made that up.
He is definitely a sociopath. I felt like he made that up aswel
It is pretty bold to hear him outright confess we shouldn't trust anything he says, when he's currently claiming innocence over the allegations.
If Vince would've been cross examined, he'll leave the interview or put his guards up... Best thing they give done was let him speak freely and just show how delusional he is.... That's how documentry filming work ..
This was my take on it as well. Given Vince's track record with interviewers who challenge him, I think the documentary took the best route they could
Vince really showed how unstable he is... emotionally and psychologically.
Shane McMahon said he was surprised his Dad hugged him after his taker match shows love is not given in that family. Shane's emotional response was so sincere .
You nailed it.
I took it as they wanted to leave Vince looking at fault for all historical issues without giving a right to reply, so that moving forward (ie release date of doc onwards) it's a clean date for the new owners and relationships with media (particularly, Netflix).
Apologies if this take is referenced, I'm only 12 mins in!
Tony Atlas has always come across as a raw, honest guy.
According to Dutch Mantell, Tony tends to embellish certain stories (embellish is a direct quote).
"I don't like Pat Patterson because he was always grabbing my Pecker" is a quote I'll probably never stop saying 😂😂😂
Day off work today so i binge watched the whole thing. As a wrestling fan since I was a child in 1999 i started looking up a lot of the WWE and Vince Mcmahon controversies thanks to the rise of the IWC community. This netflix series seems like it was originally was supposed to portray Vince and the WWE as a huge success despite many roadblocks and tragedies until the allegations emerged during production making the narrative shift to show Vince as an untrustworthy narrator.
My opinion of the series of the whole is that it is a magnificent story of the rise of WWE for non wrestling fans while long time wrestling fans who've devoured the WWE home video library won't learn anything new other than getting a kick out of the footage. I would still recommend everyone to watch it. One last opinion is that Bruce Prichard comes across poorly in the last episode defending Vince's humanity by giving the example of his wife getting the best medical treatment. Thats great for you Bruce we're all happy for you but Vince looking after his long term employee in that situation doesnt suddenly make him Mother Theresa in anyone elses eyes other than yours. Pablo Escobar took care of a whole community in his home country and he killed thousands of people. Both things can be true Bruce
This is very well written. Thank you!
Could not agree with you more
As someone who was not familiar with much the content of the series, this is exactly what it felt like to me. A WWE history documentary that turned into a Vince piece. I still really enjoyed it and loved seeing the history of WWE. I started watching as a kid around 2012ish, so a lot of what was in this was new to me, or I had only heard about.
Mother Theresa was actually a horrible person, sadly
Bret is having last laugh that Vince screwed Vince at the end 😂
Imagine pretending Vince is bad. Yall are so easily manipulated. Imagine pretending rich dudes arent entitled to sex-retaries if they want it
Imagine trying to pretend Vince is Innocent because of Ego and not wanting to be proven wrong. Goes to show what you know the first person got 31 to your 0
@@FlawlessP401 What a moronic comment
@@FlawlessP401 you 🤡 proves your IQ
@@ultiementgmr6029 31 what??
My mark out moment was when I heard Pacitti's voice in the final episode 😅
Congratz buddy, ya made it in lol
He's in episode 1 too
I missed him. What was his voice over used for?
@@robcassey6043Steph’s resignation in episode six
@@Snake-i8xcheers for that i'll nip back in and check it out.
@@Snake-i8x found it, cheers for that. Can't believe i didn't realise that was Mr Pacitti.
HHH & Stephanie "Vegas Marriage" was later explained that Steph was in on it. It was a couple months into the Story, when HHH & VKM had a Hardcore Match where Steph turned on VKM.
Not a single mention of Randy Savage in any of the episodes starting to think whatever happened between vince and him had to have been way beyond business even if it wasn't the whole Stephanie rumors it's something pretty close.
Oooooohh yeeeeaaahhh!
Bret is the best. We all make fun of Bret putting himself over, and we should because it’s hilarious. But it’s not like he’s lying. 😂
I dunno , “did he kill Owen to get to me” thing was a bit extreme
@@chriscaddick1718 is his brother I doubt he can think logically about that situation
Bret Hart whimsically telling everyone the was an "artist" right at the start of the series was absolutely brilliant 😅
Prichard: ~choking on a throat full of Vince~
Anybody With Sense: "Shut up, Bruce."
I love how much Hulk and Bruce were proved as horrifically biased, liars and clueless. Hogan saying it will fail without him, then wwe goes on to be more profitable than ever
Hogan is just the biggest phonies and hypocrites honestly in my opinion. He may the GOAT to other people but to me he's not and never will be cuz he's just a liar and was corrupt with creative at that time
Hogan is a well known egomaniac when it came to wrestling. Yeah hulkamania was cool and all but we got so many better wrestlers and stars after him like the Rock, John Cena, Randy orton, Roman and more
Stone Cold is a bigger draw than Hogan could ever be. And he did it without burying everyone around him.....
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1idlmao, what a stupid thing to say, we can all agree on hating Hogan’s politics and lies but without Hogan there’s no wwe, Hogan did more than what steve did for MANY years, while austin did it for 2-3 years.
Golden age Hogan was filling arenas everywhere on his own while Austin had The rock, HBK, Taker etc. Hogan > Austin in drawing power and its not even close.
@@FernandoMartinez-pv1id I can't stand Hogan AT ALL. He's a horrible human being. As much as it pains me to admit, wrestling is alive and where it is today because of Hogan. Unfortunately, we can't rewrite history and put Stone Cold or The Rock, or Cena, HH, HBK, as the person who made wrestling global, and who little kids went apes#!t over. Hogan really was the Michal Jordan of wrestling (in terms of bringing it to the masses). Maybe it was right place at the right time, but he was the one there in the early 80's. Of course, another terrible human being, Vince McMahon, was the one who made all this possible. We wouldn't be discussing this on YT and there wouldn't be all these podcasts without either, sadly. Almost reminds me of von Braun and NASA. History isn't always clean and proper.
We're watching Jack instead of giving Netflix money. If there's ever an incentive for him to finally do the restaurant forfeit, isn't it a financial one?
Honestly it should just be a Patreon goal at this point.
Juat finshed it .....Dark side of the ring is far better and this felt like a history of the companys dark moment's rather then a documentary on Vince
Wtf happened to Vince's face
is Pacitti in episode 6?? well his voice listed as reporter at about 46 n half mins
Yeah, it’s his audio reading out Stephanie’s “leaving WWE tweet”
I definitely heard his voice in the opening credits in the first episode
They address this.
Twice, episode 1 and episode 6
How are yu not able to tell the instant yu hear his voice??
After Armageddon 1999, Stephanie and HHH admitted it was all a work from the beginning and they really did love each other. Stephanie did this as revenge for what her Dad put her through with the Ministry.
No surprise that Vince was so cagey about talking about Sable coming back after suing him and WWE. Theres probably a NDA in place there. Considering he wanted to buy the doc to stop it being seen I was expecting it to be a lot worse than what it was.
One of favorite parts is Vince complaining about WCW outbidding and stealing his talent after he did the same to the territories and lobbying to deregulate sports authorities that were only trying to look after the health and safety of the wrestlers. Vince has overworked and worked against the wrestlers best interest for decades and now that WCW was giving them a better deal he is bitter?
Vince was doing the mr McMahon character some years before the attitude era...he was doing it in the Memphis territory in the early 90's
I read that in the Vince McMahon book released last year.
Tony Atlas needs his own interview
Yea he was shockingly beyond honest in the documentary
I could see AEW bringing in Tony Atlas off the back of this. Lol
Haven't finished it but when Bret was talking about Owen Hart is heart breaking seeing him well up talking about what Owen said to him when the screw job was done also fuck vince Bruce and hogan
The crazy thing about the "Black out" part of the Owen issue is it wasn't fully blacked out. I was there and I for sure seen everything as we were too poor to afford good seats, so me and my dad was sitting right next to the ladder to the catwalk and had a conversation with Owen before he went up, and unfortunately seen him come down.
Loved the Adam moment in the documentary. Can you tell the story of WWE and Vince McMahon without Cultaholic…nope. Keep up the great work guys. This was a fantastic breakdown.
The multiple computer in the brain quote is something that I heard in therapy for My D.I.D evaluation and diagnosis. It's a way for My therapist to say "it's not your fault that some things are done or thought, because there are someone else there, and not you.
That bit made me think of DID too (my friend has it), BUT it does mention it as thoughts not other people so it might just be ADHD. Without a diagnosis we will never know
At one point when talking about the attitude era Vince said it was relatively clean and “nobody died”
Brother, Owen actually DIED.
There’s a lot to pull from it but idk if I’m surprised by any of it. I’m honestly surprised WWE has a problem with this doc because it really feels like the doc is just interested in picking apart kayfabe Vince vs actual Vince and that just aligns with the era we’re in right now.
I agree that the doc doesn’t really hold anyone or anything accountable other than just saying “here look at this” which is fine but doesn’t do much in changing my opinion on anything. A lot of the Vince era can be boiled down to “Fun at the expense of our souls”.
Vince rotting in Jail till he's 100 will make Bret very happy😂
😂 won't spend a second in prison thanks to his wealth
@@Mark-eg2yd also no convictions but ignore that.
He won't be fully happy until Goldberg is in there with him
not happening it will be settled out of court she is suing hin the police is not a part of it
@@johansvensson833 Nah he is currently under federal investigation, but the FBI will have a difficult time making a case
I really wish they showed him tearing his quads. That’s a career highlight for him
Just finished watching the docu-series - i know im late, but i came straight to this video after the last episode for 54:20
Wonder how Pacitti reacted when he heard it 😂
What we learned? They showed a hour of hogan saving WWF , and 30 seconds about the death of Owen hart.
I actually felt bad for Shane McMahon. I get the feeling that regardless of what Shane does, Vince would never be impressed. I think Vince views Shane as someone he is competing with. Stephanie on the other hand is the person he considers most capable. It must hurt Shane to know he was passed over for his sister. There is definitely a weird dynamic between Vince and Shane. Shane spoke lime he respected his father whilst Vince spoke like he could care less about him. It was weird.
The long awaited debut of new up and coming netflix star Adam Pacitti
1hr vid , but in the news room!
Most of the doc just covers wwe. Not vince himself.
I'm glad y'all said the thing about wrestling fans vs non- wrestling fans. I had seen so many things going up how this was going to "bury Vince", and then spent most of the time watching it waiting to hear something I either 1) didn't know, or 2) wasn't at least vaguely aware of.
Do they bring up his creepy determination for incest storylines?
its mentioned briefly
Steph wouldn't talk about it. The creepy old man did though.
One hour, we’ve been blessed 👏👏
The bright roads ahead ending is probably going to age poorly. We'll have to wait and see.
i was so hyped for this doc but it just further enforced the fact that mfs on youtube can make just as good if not better content than billion dollar corporations
I don't have netflix so I appreciate this lads 👌
The issue with the way Vince talks about always moving forward to next thing on and on is that throughout the series you see that is less of a work mentality itself and more of a 24/7 coping mechanism that can easilly (and has been) turn into a "''crutch''" to deny wrongdoing or any level of accountability.
If he never pauses to analyse the abuse he been through and what happened to him and let him grieve and process how it impacted him, he also won't pause to the things he does to people or the environment he lets fester, as long as the end result is the two things he's always looking after (be it due to the trauma or not): money and power. Everytime that someone gets to get at him that doesn't end in any of these outcomes (just look back at all the times he gets verbally ripped in the ring) he tries to lash out in the most childish manner possible, almost like the moment someone has a point that puts him in a bad light he regresses back to when he was this "real life mangwa protagonist" kid.
In a very short way he's always "moving on" to the next thing cause he's always in the run.
And I'd theorize that he actually knows that and actively avoids it. Nobody can't deny that Vince is a very very smart man, but also a very very scared one.
So essentially if you have the WWE "McMahon " DVD from 2006 ,it's the SAME thing?
Only got that dvd for Stephanie McMahon 😂 had a “huge” crush on her in the early 00s….i wonder why (. ) ( .) Didn’t give two shits about Vince story lol
Like all Netflix documentaries it’s heavily biased. I appreciate that Vince has done good things as referenced by Bruce Pritchard and his wife but you only have to look at the interviews Vince has done to see the mask slip. That’s not out of context editing. He clearly has a lot of issues (3 brains and one is thinking about sex). Ffs Vince, read the room. Of course his oldest friends will defend him and of course there are going to be subjective opinions on this but at the end of the day, the latest controversy is one of a long list. Whether you side with Vince or Janelle Grant, with anything like this the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. Regardless of the outcome of that, the truth can only really be known by the participants. This reaffirmed a lot of what I thought of Vince before. He has almost a child’s mind and struggles emotionally with a lot of things. I think Jim Cornette said it best when he said something along the lines of “If you put Vince in a room with 10 psychiatrists, they’d go crazy and he’d walk out unchanged.”
Its like The Trickster in the Flash convincing his physchiatrist to unalive himself.
I think Vince has ADHD
I feel like if Vince wasnt exposed for being a creep i feel like this docuseries would have ruined his legacy but it also showed he is as mad as we thought he is
I think what the documentary did was exposed who Vince really is. That his character and the man are the same. It showed how he carelessly backstabs and humiliated the people around him, his wife, his children, his friends, the people who basically give their lives to him. painting a picture that if he could do all that to the people he supposedly loves, then it’s easy to see how he could do everything he’s accused of. Watching Triple H talk about Vince McMahon happy about the crowd chanting slut at his daughter… they can call it acting all they want, But psychologically that shit fucks with you, she was a young woman who had no acting background. And Vince was not concerned for her at all. You could see the pain on Paul’s face when he told that story about his wife. It broke my heart. he was the only one in that family that was able to acknowledge that what Vince put the family through was not OK. Everyone else just kept saying “oh it was acting”. Sure it’s acting, but when the part is a comatose wife in a wheelchair, watching her husband cheat on her with a younger woman after he’s cheated on you in real life with multiple younger women… Honestly, Vince was the cruellest to his own family. Like I knew what a shit person Vince was and I didn’t really learn anything new in this documentary, But the way they presented the information was very effective, and it had me really emotional. I’m a female in my late 30s. I grew up watching the attitude era. And now looking back as an adult woman on the way the women were treated, and the things Vince had his family do. It breaks my heart and makes me angry all the same time. And then on a human level just the way he treated people who gave him Everything made me sick. A lot of those wrestlers were loyal and did anything Vince wanted, and he just turned around and stab them in the back. Vince McMahon is a horrible person
One of the big things that piss me off is how Vince flatly denies Benoit was suffering from CTE even though he had been presented the facts that Benoit was.
Was I the only one that heard Adam Pachetti
I finally got round to watching the last episode and heard Adam Pacitti and thought...why is no one talking about this?
One thing I thought I'd hear was the Christy Hemme debacle. While she hasn't talked about it, there are a lot of wrestlers suggesting her initial WWE run was influenced by Vince's "affection" towards her and surprisingly a year in she was sacked and doing TNA shows. Hmmm....
Also Paul London's opinions would've been extra spicy added to that indian dish.
Did we actually learn anything that we didn't already know? It was a bit of a let-down, to be honest.
i got bored 4 episodes in realizing nothing more was gonna be really revealed
Yea this was for non wrestling fans.
No. If you know wrestling history there was nothing new revealed.
I swear I hear Adam Pacitti in episode 6 when talking about the allegations 👀
We all knew the stories.... But never from horse mouth...
I do think they 100% had to not dig into Vince or they wouldn't be able to get what they did. He did refuse to continue the filming when the allegations came out.
As someone who isnt really big into the history of wrestling, I learned stuff I never knew like the whole Owen Hart situation. It shocked me.
Overall, it felt like it was made with an attempt to discuss with a bear without poking it too much but not giving it any real treats.
Some people never change, Shawn still not taking accountability. He says he screwed bret cause vince wanted him to. HE HIMSELF in the past, along with HHH...vince...pat...everyone, has all agreed that Shawn was the one who originally brought up the idea with HHH then saying "Fuck him it's your belt just take it" but it was shawn who demanded he wins the title in Montreal and REFUSED to wait
Pacitti's voice in the first few mins of episode 1 was surprising!
He's in ep6 too
I missed the first 1 but caught the 2nd
This doc really took it easy with Vince, for Netflix standards. But what's amazing (but not surprising) is that people like Bruce Pritchard sold himself out and defended Vince. The interviewees did their job. Vince had an opportunity to be honest. He predictably wasn't.
Quite a good wrestling history documentary. Literally didn't learn anything new though. They didn't even mention the whole recent shitstorm until the last 30 minutes of the last episode.
Yeah thanks I'm going to skip to the last ep. Nothing new in the earlier episodes that I didn't already know from A&E and Dark Side of the ring .
One hour mini podcast. LFG!!!
Nothing new here, it’s more of a history of WWE than a Vince doc. If you’ve seen previous docs/series before about Ruthless Aggression, Monday night wars, attitude era, or just know your wrestling there’s nothing new brought to the table really.
We knew all this stuff already. Its not like Vince McMahon's lived his life in secret...
Awesome to hear Pacitti on the doc!
Paul Hayman was so no nonsense about his take on Vince..he even consoles Stephanie when Vince returned to the business against her and HHHs wishes.
I get the same vibe listening to Vince that got watching the presidential debate a couple weeks back.
US libel laws will have limited the ability to challenge Vince directly, but they can allude to challenging his comments. If they were to outright say he's lying the show would have never seen the light of day. Vince would have kept it tied up in court for years.
Because you have to be fair rather than this cringe believe all women trash
The series was more of a WWF/E retrospective, instead of being about Vince himself. But certain comments on specific controversies were damning
good video
Everything everyone says in the documentary makes sense to their characters.
It was a great documentary about the history of WWE. They definitely made it a mcmahon documentary later in the work because of the controversies that happened later.
I remember the 1999 Over the Edge, My friend had PPV on Sky, and we watched it. I was shocked, People said it was a manakin dropped.
No one could believe it, even when JR announced Owen's passing. It wasn't until I saw the look on Mark's face that I knew something terrible had happened.
He looked broken, I'd been following the Undertaker since I was little and first saw him fight André the Giant I'd never seen him look that upset.
Great video guys loved it!
I thought it was ok, but honestly, this channel seriously did better work to me. The Golden Era was fantastic by you guys can't wait for the New Generation, Attitude, and Ruthless Aggression, and PG eras. The doc didn't know what it wanted to be. Vince will go down as the Walt Disney of Pro Wrestling. If you're a fan, you knew of most of his crap once it got public. The man did have Diddy perform at my last Mania I went to (29). There is stuff out there, but how much will the public know, really?
After jusr finishing this on Netflix, genuinely surprised you have a 1 hour video on it. Felt like everything in it was stuff we as wrestling fans already knew. As for Pritchard claiming they did a hatchet job on McMahon i think most of the doc was fluffy.
Wasn't expecting to hear Pacitti's voice in the last episode!
My guess would be they interview Vince first then try to get him back but didn't work out.
And an unlikely hero emerges! Tony Atlas was the MVP for me.
Documentary looked very professional, but that's about it. Everything on there is well known already. Heck, i learned more about the other wrestlers and wwe than Vince himself. We will never know the real vince mcmahon (a deep dive into his life).
I think Austin said he "doesn't believe in CTE" because he is forcing himself not to believe in it as he has a fear of it. The ear grab may have been him calming himself down, not because he was lying but because he was scared that he already had CTE.
That 1st 3 mins of episode 6 was a trip. Him saying his 3rd brain thinks of fun things to do + $ex.
Vince pretty much spoiled the ending.
It's so wild he pushed his way back to wwe, sold it and got to be chairman and head of creative AFTER the lawsuit and retiring.
From P.Diddy to Mr McMahon in the words of Bill Goldberg “who’s next”?!???!
NYC mayor just got busted next is Kamala, Biden, and the Clintons
Anyone with a penis...the war on men is REAL
Oprah. Jay Z. Bono.
@@ledarbyromeo9667and Clive Davis
@@sandiletwala3001 oooo explain?
I liked it as a whole as this is the most I've seen of Vince in any interview. My only issue was that I was hoping for more of a character study of Vince but this was more like the history of WWE with bts commentary from Vince. I was hoping to know more about how the guy thought, but only episode 5 gives a glimpse into it.
41:59 reminds me of the relationship of Henry and Edsel Ford. Main difrence was Henry outlived Edsel by 4 years. I like to think he regretted it, especially since he gave the company to Edsel's son Henry II(who was the CEO in the Biopic Ford Vs Ferrari)
Pacitti audio in the opening credits …
Does anyone mention how Adam Paciti’s voice is on the documentary?
This doc was made for people that don’t know much, or anything, about wrestling. I am 40 and never watched it, but had friends that were all in. So I know just enough to answer very generic pop culture things, but not really details. Like I remember the Hulk cartoon the same way I remember the Bo Jackson cartoon. I remember my buddies had NWO shirts and The Undertaker liked to Tombstone people. My wife knows nothing except The Rock and John Cena wrestled and now makes movies that are funny. We watched it and were shocked. My buddy went “This is all common knowledge”.
So I think the level of engagement really depends on your entry level. Bc the fact people are saying “The Doc wasn’t tough enough on him” makes me go “Christ… did this guy give Hitler a run for his money if this wasn’t tough enough??”
taker never fought andre he fought giant gonzalez
Brilliant strategy form WWE and Netflix having this come out the day that AEW hits 83 weeks without a million viewers.
it that true ?
@@johansvensson833 No, the ratings were going to be bad anyway.
Very trolly of you…
What did AEW do to piss you off so much????
@@MS-tz6fuevery Wrestling show has lost a large percentage of their ratings in the last few months. Even Punk coulsnt save NXT and even Roman couldnt get Smackdown to 1.5 Million.
I think its a great documentary for LAPSED wrestling fans who aren't aware of this stuff
Generally thought it displayed the importance of a strong bond with your dad, especially as a guy - as seen with how hard VKM had it growing up then following into Shane feeling he needed to earn a hug/respect from Vince
I was shocked when Trish Stratus said what Vince made her do on TV was just him being a character and that she didnt mind doing it.
Mini podcast yayyy
Best part of the documentary was learning that vince is actually a cyborg with two computers in his head (and sometimes a third that he can occasionally tap into).
I hope to god wwe fire Prichard, his parts in the last episode were beyond disgusting and embarrassing. He’s 100% one of the individuals in janels lawsuit would put my life on it
So no waiting just take her word for it😂😅😂😅
he was not in wwe at that time
I still can't believe Cody had him in the ring at mania. PR nightmare
@@user-gh5sd2nm5y I know, disappointed in Cody, he even got audible boos walking out at mania. I just hope TKO can be as cut throat about this as they are with their business. Just root him out before January and start this proper new era under triple h
I also feel really bad for HHH Shane and Steph, I don’t get why people lump them in with Vince’s horrendous activities, I know he’s pretty much Satan but I can’t imagine the Janel stuff was proudly flaunted to his children and son in law. Her immediately leaving when he made his return in 2023 is pretty telling on its own
Bruce and taker don’t come out looking good at all.
Stephanie turned heel with HHH at the end of a match between Vince & HHH where she didn’t stop HHH hitting Vince with a sledgehammer.
She said it was revenge for the stuff Vince got Undertaker to do to Stephanie when Vince was “the Higher Power”
I still think the documentary does more damage to any legal action that will be taken against Vince in the future because anyone who is potential juror in any trial will not be able to listen to facts and stay unbiased, hell I just finished the documentary and there is no way I could be impartial after what I heard and saw.