For those that didn't listen to the first 11 seconds, I don't care that Kenshiro won. I like both of the characters here. I'm just addressing the misinformation. also how do u not listen to the first 11 seconds whats wrong with you
Kenshiro probably was only given the win be of his just badass finishing line”you’re already ready “ compared to jotaro who if he won would probably just say “good grief “
Kaleb I.A. I agree with what you said in your video , but may I add that Ken couldn't have exchanged punches with Star Platinum ? Only stands can touch other stands , right ?
Star platinum punches with force of 3m tons they said and next second they said he's best feet is just launching a small part of a building such bulashiiit
@@lukakhoriashvili4270 Even though lightspeed explosions don't happen in anime because that would mean everytime Goku punched another planet would explode. I don't know why Death Battle is so scared to accept planetary feats or lightspeed feats when they're right in front of them. Like for some reason they acted like Android 18 might not be able to destroy planets.
Mrnintendobuster Dio dropped a road roller in stopped time, which means it moved in literally 0 seconds. Since speed is distance over time, that means he moved it in the speed is uncomprehendable. And since more speed would equal more force upon impact, that would quite literally end the universe. In short, it’s JoJo. Who cares about science?
Fyrewound araki: stone frees punches are like small meteors Star platinum is stronger than that and FTL. What would a meteor be like at light speed? Too much.
Jotaro did have trouble with Anubis-possessed Polnareff. Not Silver Chariot, just Polnareff swinging around Anubis who I can safely assume isn't swinging at "light-speed". With that being said, Jotaro is one to fight with his mind rather than just brute force, which is how he defeated Dio. So yeah, not the best DB, but I'm not going to cry over spilt milk.
Seed of a G I A N T well stopped time logic never really makes sense. If you stop time and you give someone a tiny tap on the shoulder do you: A) completely obliterate them because you are moving faster than the flow of time itself Or B) nothing happens cause the power of PLOT makes it so everything around you acts like time we're moving normally.
Mateothewolfy debatable If you don’t know anything about the characters and just want to see action then I guess But if you see you favorite characters mistreated then it takes the enjoyment out in my opinion
Nh Productions honestly, I really hate how they half ass a lot of the characters, even if the said character wins. They’re still brought up half assed as shit, to the point where you’re questioning just how much they actually looked into the character.
aceorduece But it’s not about learning every single detail about a character, it’s about poorly researched and often times downplaying certain characters on purpose.
Professor Hitomi it’s obvious that Kenshiro can easily obliterate Jotaro just because of how strong he is but still they can at least put in the effort to discuss why and go over all the impressive feats they both have
Professor Hitomi probably didn’t feel like actually doing any deep research on the fact that Kenshiro was able to imitate and pretty much master techniques from seeing them once that just so happened to be some of the most deadly things anyone could pull off in the series
literally the only reason they made that vid was to cash in on a dead meme, and it just so happened that jojo was also a meme and is similar to fist of the north star. but as usual, their death battles are poorly researched, badly animated with stolen mugen sprites and always cause either one or both fandoms to get angry beyond any limit. screwattack? more like screw you, we're making money off being lazy motherfuckers.
It's the Superman argument. Kenshiro can't lose because he was designed _not_ to lose. In terms of characters, though, I like Jotaro more. Stacks of Shonen Jump didn't save him this time, though.
Except there are times when Superman loses just like there are times when Kenshiro loses. Kenshiro actually loses his first battle against some opponents, Souther and Kaioh being prime examples.
@@primus3217 It was clearly a joke. Nobody believes a couple of mangas is gonna stop Kenshiro at all. This is the internet, learn when somebody is joking or making a reference
Max Hamilton actually the Kirby one makes perfect sense in the sense of comparing and putting in battle to difrent universes the one with the more cartoony physics will always win due to those charicters being impossible to kill. I mean Popeye is basically has the same power as Saitama once he eats spinage your comparing apples to not even oranges but freaking carrots! There's a No right answer as at the end of the day they're just animations made for fun and their's always going to be a bias twords the charicter the research team likes more. The outcomes don't matter if they did why not just skip the animation and go to the result!
Demi-Fiend of Time Yes but death battle actively tries to make it analytical. Besides you are telling me if we put Popeye the fucking sailor man vs MUI Goku and him using a full power MUI Kamehameha he would survive and let alone win? Are you insane?
So kenshiro only needed one touch to beat Jotaro, that much is true. But what could have stopped star Platinum from racing back to jotaros side the moment Ken began to approach him? Star catched the microscopic stand lovers in between his bare fingers, he should have been able to stop Ken before he even touched him
but kenshiro is not so easy to beat also Kenshiro is not a simple human, Kenshiro is a human a human of the future where the strongest kills the weak indiscriminately of how old Kenshiro has a huge resistance to deadly attacks also jotaro for his stand their unbreakable bubble according to you, perhaps they think that kenshiro is weak only because they do not know the character is not weak in fact it is so powerful that it could kill all the characters of dragon ball if they dare to underestimate it their blows do not go for a second but meli seconds since it is instantaneous and it is deadly every blow because it hits with ki in its pressure points and it is over, because it is dangerous that is not all for worse it can povocar energy waves contained in them radiation when using the martial art of raoh , that's not all the musou tensei uses with the tranciende in the nothingness being stronger than any existing living being, jotaro has the stick finger I do not remember and the prays now, the world can for the time according to and with that is saved not even think about the specialty of star platinium is the speed and strength, resistance, what happens is that they move so fast that he can only move if for the dry time he does not It could be morbid but at the Kenshiro point that has more possibilities thanks to its fighting and technical characteristics, they will say only a stand can beat a stand Kenshiro has already fought with a being that really could not be seen so much that he had to use his senses adoptive brother who also learned els musou tensei and made his own version more powerful full of nuclear energy by raoh I already said it in a nutshell I fight with a fucking nuclear bomb and the most powerful by radiation rank and destruction good finish thanks for reading here have reliable information since I saw the whole series without skipping anything until I saw the remake and the origins, spin off so is now at your discretion.
If they included Eyes of Heaven Jotaro would have had a huge advantage and win. But glad you pointed out the facts about Jotaro to, It urked me how they missed a lot of context on the Time Stop vs Bug Eater and Star Platinum vs Silver Chariot
Z1 Puncher 無限の拳 This. Why _would_ they use Eyes of Heaven Jotaro? End of Part 3 Jotaro is not only the most iconic version, but also the strongest version of Jotaro in the main universe. Eyes of Heaven isn't even canon. You'd have to be pretty damn biased to pull something like that.
somehow he might win...he at least has a bit of a chance. Problem with that though is Kenshiro will win 99.9% of the time because while Jotaro is trying to fight Ken, Ken is trying to Kill Jotaro. That gives Ken the advantage in the fight by a few light years. Jotaro won't try to kill Kenshiro until things get to a point where he needs to feel obligated to kill him. That's just who Jotaro is. That's his character. However, to get to that point Ken would have to have injured Jotaro. Big problem there is one touch means Jotaro Dies. Jotaro doesn't know that he'd be killed from simply trading blows with Kenshiro. Not knowing is the biggest downfall of most of Kens victims. Not opponents. Victims. Ken doesn't fight people, he kills them. He fights monsters, like himself, but kills people, like Jotaro and the other JoJo's. Ken cannot be considered a person anymore. You hit a certain threshold of strength until you become essentially inhuman. Jotaro and company are still humans. They just happen to have spiritual powers in the form of stands which while a reflection of inner strength they may be, are still entirely separate from them as far as their own physical ability goes. *tldr?* Kenshiro isn't an opponent who should be matched up against any JoJo. Have him fight Hit from DragonBall Super instead. Then we can see Ken Lose at the very initiation of combat. Hell combat wouldn't even initiate. Ken would be on Hit's hitlist and be killed during time stop...except Kenshiro seems to use BSfu to his advantage in instances like those as well...
Avi Just because the story writes itself out of existence, doesn't mean those instances never happened for the reader. Lazy way to want to rebrand a franchise after realizing you done goofed up the writing is not a way to retcon anything. All it does is open up Multiverse theory for the franchise.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache jotaro vs kenshio is really who have a better hax (i still think jotaro could have win) but they are a lot of stands who can rekt keisho not just GIORNO AND JOHNNY.
Like there's plenty of nutty stands that could probably take him in a fight. Risotto, diavolo, and notorious B.I.G come to mind. While the only guaranteed win is B.I.G, the other 2 definitely could etch out a win
Even though it doesn't do research it manages to be accurate. Also is it only me or do other people too hate it people comment "who cares it doesn't do research anyway" just because their character lost thus crushing your dreams of your character ever winning?
It's cause it doesn't preface the fight with little information and questionable reasons for winning to justify the victory, which in turn purposefully causes arguments to break out. Just a simple fight. And cause Jotaro won.
really it is true since jotaro is not a very intelligent fighter that we say depends a lot on his strength and resistance in this case he only has to explode in a violent way if he prays the time he prays.
Death battle downplaying characters is nothing new, saying shit like 'Sonic just barley wins against Mario' even though they included Archie Sonic feats and claiming Ichigo couldn't beat Naruto because Naruto dodged a laser even though Ichigo is far faster than light. There's a lot of downplaying in death battle which completely alters fight results.
mario beats sonic, and naruto beats ichigo. they literally gave ichigo every advantage and he isn't even close. naruto gets to bullshit levels of power...that's all
I stopped watching Death Battles long time ago, I hate watching characters beloved to me fighting to death, but damn,that's a lot of mistakes. Now I hate Screwattack even more.
(sorry 4 the engrish) yeah, the animation is really good, but having every character wanting to murder each other, no matter who they are, is just weird. thats something that i like about OMM, the characters interact before and after the battle without being just 2 character striped of their personalities.
I stopped after Ben vs Hal Jordan Seriously that fight was one sided as hell since Ben could basically turn into god and do whatever he wants, even time traveling to the time of Hal’s birth then putting his fist through his tiny little head
They forgot Jotaros srongest ability Kenshiro: I use my ability Jotaro: So it’s the same type of stand *jotaro copy’s everything kenshiro does* Kenshiro: Nani
I just noticed that Kenshiro doesnt have a stand... but you fool you didn't know Kenshiro's strongest ability *[H U M O R]* kenshiro is the original anime meme The Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru still lives to this day
Kenshiro deserved the win. Although, his mirage after-images became clones instead of afterimages. Which kinda irks me. Since after images are your image being left in the spot for moving too fast, Ken's mirage afterimages should disappear in frozen time. And it didn't.
Kenshiro is invincible while in museo tensei. So he would of beat JoJo mcpointless guy. Plus he can copy any moves and transformations i.e. he would of picked up on his time stopping and copied or adapted. Stop being fanboys.
sting7789 Kenshiro is not invinible with museo tensei, Stands can target intangible beings such as GHOSTS, and the afterimages wouldn't exist when time is frozen. Jotaro is MASSIVEY FTL, www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/jjba-silver-chariot-speed.18046/ this feat puts Silver Chariot at 76 times the speed of light, Star Platnium is much faster than this. Ken wouldn't copy any moves from Jotaro when he is blitzed by BILLIONS of diamond shattering FTL punches in the span of a second, this match would be over the moment it began
for me if this was a blood lusted battle which Death Battle is suppose to be Jotaro would have easily killed Kenshiro at the moment and the last part of the animation was complete bullshit i mean why would Jotaro let his time stop run out when phasing to crush kenshiro's heart he would have easily just crushed it before his time stop finishes also mention they got many things wrong with Kenshiro's Techniques i facepalmed when Kenshirou suddenly used naruto's Shadow clone and claimed it to be a mirage cause the clones end up fighting sp it's suppose to be a mirage you know a defensive technique to confuse an enemy not swarm an enemy like Naruto's shadow clone does
In my opinion, Jotaro vs Kenshiro is the most pointless fight I’ve ever known from Death battle. I haven’t watched nor do have to. I know what both characters can do and to compare their Pros and Cons is all you really have to do and see who has more. Death Battle is pointless and trash.
I know a lot of them so I know who would win in a fight always one will have more advantage over the other especially if they are from different worlds
I know this comment is a couple years late, but there are some things I really wanted to get off my chest that you brought up. Sometimes, more so recently, Death Battle has been more or less accurate in the outcomes of their fights. But the reasons they give are totally off. This is one of those times. I do believe that Kenshiro ultimately wins this fight, for totally different reasons. One being that his attack potency is massively above Jotaro's, since he has a ton of Country level feats (Being comparable to Kasumi Kenshiro, who created a supercell. Stomping Jagi, who survived a nuclear explosion visible from space (Jagi Gaiden Vol. 2). Punching Falco so hard he dissipated a massive cloud. etc.), while Jotaro, at most, reaches Town level (via inhaling Justice and scaling to Weather Report, who could casually create hurricanes). On the other hand, Jotaro possesses an equally astronomical speed advantage over Kenshiro (Fighting Silver Chariot who intercepted Hanged Man [this was calculated to be 365 times FTL here:web.archive.org/web/20161105182934/www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/the-speech-of-vengeance-hang-the-man-with-two-right-hands-jjba.21737/ and in-depth refutations of objections to it here: vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Austrian-Man-Meat/JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventures:_Rant_on_people_who_do_not_believe_in_FTL_stands & vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArbitraryNumbers/Defending_JoJo_FTL_feats. Not to mention there are literally a dozen other feats and statements from both in-universe characters and WoG [Koichi stating in the same panel that RHCP travels at lightspeed and that Jotaro is comparable to it, Stone Ocean infographics stating SP is lightspeed w/o Time Stop, and the UV and Sunlight beam feats from Battle Tendency]) while Kenshiro only reaches, at most, Mach 178 via Roah's Ki Blast and Liu Zongwu's micrometer dodge. EDIT: On a side-note, since they used the non-canon OVA and Movie adaptations for some reason (Composites?), this would actually make Silver Chariot's Hanged Man feat more impressive as in the OVA he was actually shown to outspeed Hanged Man by an incredible degree, and it actually shows Chariot's speed compared to the beam of light side-by-side before he attacks. Their astronomical AP and Speed advantages over each other pretty much cancel each other out. However, unlike Jotaro, Kenshiro has a massive wall of Hax to hide behind. He can use his aura to pacify rampaging enemies and strike fear into an enemy even if they hold an advantage in strength, Duplication (via Ki Clones), can dodge attacks based on instinctive reaction via Muso Tensei (also described as using a blank mind. And it also makes himself intangible), Can bend space around himself to avoid attacks or distort space around an opponent to disorient them and trap them in a weightless space (via Anryū Tenha), and can astral project himself and harm souls (He was capable of touching and harming a wolf, which was later revealed to be a manifestation of Yahma's soul). Kenshiro also possesses regeneration capable of regrowing his flesh, bones, crushed organs, and eyes. Now, Jotaro does have some good hax abilities, but I don't see how it'll help him specifically against Kenshiro. The only things he can do to Kenshiro during Time Stop is either stack damage or crush his heart. However, concerning the former, while this point was once a popular argument in Jojo Vs Battle circles, it has been proven false (When DIO punched through Kakyoin, when Jotaro broke Kira's hand, when Jotaro and DIO damaged the steamroller and when Jotaro damaged Sheer Heart Attack. All of these times, the damage was dealt to the opponent while time was stopped). And on the latter, even despite the fact that Kenshiro's regeneration will compensate for any crushed organs Jotaro will deal him, I doubt he could even do so given his massive durability advantage (unless his insides are stated or proven to be more vulnerable than his outsides, there's no reason to believe Kenshiro's organs are any less durable than the rest of him). So all in all, Jotaro's speed won't keep him safe from Kenshiro's AP, Durability, and Hax forever, and he'll eventually get his chance to deliver a killing blow. Sorry to go into my own little Death Battle rant over a two year old video, but I just wanted to say that Death Battle wouldn't get nearly as much hate as they do if they used more detailed and better reasoned arguments like these. Also, I'm doing my own Vs Battle video for Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer, and I thought this would be a good warm-up. Don't expect a reply to this, but if there is that would be sweet.
I don't think jotaro is town level but he could be city block to multi city block due to demolishing iron mineral teeth. High priest seems to be able to posse metals so it probably used the magnesium and iron minerals in the ocean floor to make super strong teeth . Also the road roller feat makes him city block level. If the world and dio are each building level plus then star platinum would be City block level
Technically, in the events shown in the battle, Jotaro and Kenshiro would've killed each-other. Kenshiro already set in motion the events to Jotaro's death that was pointed out in the original battle. Jotaro would've killed Kenshiro because he would've either stopped his heart, shred it, or disrupt his blood flow. And the reason Kenshiro would've died is because he didn't have time to start Muso Tensei because he didn't activate it before Jotaro did that last time-stop. And that couldn't of been a speed-double (mirage) because in stop time, Kenshiro couldn't of been moving to create them, ergo the Kenshiro Jotoaro did the heart phase to, was the real one. Ergo, with the events shown, it would play out like this. Jotaro ends the time-stop Kenshiro dies via heart complications K- Jotaro blows up "OHH MY GODDD!!!"
Also kenshiro is everywhere and nowhere at the same time that’s what they mean by nothingness it becomes one with the universe, literally GER can’t even do anything here because he can’t affect something that’s not even there
Why Kenshiro beats Jotaro: 1. The "Only stands can beat stands" thing is a hyperbole stated up by the characters as no other entity in Jojo have the same abilities as stands early in the series. Stands are described to be psychic or spiritual energy, and have shown to be touched or seen by those demon hands in part 4 or the entities in the Rohan ova. Kenshiro literally uses "aura" or fighting spiritual energy which is exactly like stands are given that Jojo is based on Fist of the Northstar. 4. Kenshiro is basically a continent lvl demigod who can destroy entire cities with his mere presence via his aura, the durability to survive nuclear bombs, the strength to tear through mountains, and the speed to catch up with beings that actually move and travel at lightspeed. Jotaro is building lvl at best, Star Platinum doesn't have the range and attack potency to be a threat to Kenshiro, his time stop and ability to phase through objects and people is countered by Kenshiro's aura, speed, and skill. 3. Kenshiro has Musou Tensei which is a God level beyond stands like Wonder of U, GER and even Over Heaven... being able to erase your own existence along with the existence of anyone you want to erase. After all nothingness cannot be affected by time nor space. If Kenshiro uses it he wins no matter what, let alone the secret technique that allows him to summon gods. 4. Kenshiro has Soryu Tenha (Fist of the Blue Style) which negates any Supernatural abilities as it’s stated to prevent spiritual or psychic attacks in the Manga. That, and combined with Kenshiro's power, speed, durability, skill, combat experience, and range, any argument for Jojo stands wouldn't matter.
I don't like how they only compared damage outputs as justification for Kenshiro's win and not Kenshiro's durability to SP's damage output. And from what they did explain it seemed like SP was more than capable of turning Kenshiro into donut boy V2.
@@bigmacsauce1953 Valentine brings another ken from another universe, they get confused and touch each other to see if it's real, they both smash into each other and die
The only thing that could beat Ken is Ger or Over heaven. Ken can use Two finger interception on The nails and can just activate no clip for everyone else. Only Ger and Over Heaven stand a chance.
Even if Ken was 1/10 of how powerful he is, he would still win.... the amount of stupidly powerful stuff that Ken has gives him an absurd advantage, like what can Star/Jotaro do against a guy that is invisible, intangible and can shoot invisible meat mincing/evaporating energy waves... People get hunged up on ¨FTL Star¨ as if that was a big deal in this fight.
ScrewAttack always have an excuses, for there lack of research. ScrewAttack 2 years ago: "Oh we put all the abilities, skill's, and strength's, from every writer who wrote for superman in this death battle that's how he won". ScrewAttack This year: "Oh we can't put Jotaro's Over Heaven power in this death battle because of reason". Me: "WTF!"
ProblemSolverEF Because Jotaro would fucking shit stomp with Over Heaven. They wanted to balance it without having Jotaro use infinite time stop immediately, walking over and wiping Kenshiro from existence.
Cody Kooyenga They used a non-canon feat in the Jotaro vs Kenshiro battle, they also used SSJ4 in the second Goku vs Superman battle. Also, Eyes of Heaven may not be a part of either of the main continuities but there are many who consider it canon in the Jojo's "multiverse". (Think of any of marvel's multiverses or the Nasuverse or... I honestly don't know what you're a fan of, so it's hard to find an example you should know about.)
They only gave Goku SSJ4 because it wouldn't change the outcome. Even with it, Superman would still win, so they included SSJ4 just for the fight scene. EoH straight up isn't canon.
Sheet in the Street Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the creator of JoJo confirmed that EoH is canon but is a case of multi verse mayhem, idk though :P.
Kenshiros best strenth feat is knocking down clearly damaged buildings. My issue is that they completely ignore the fact that Star Platinum scales to Dio.
Comic & Annime Fans A Like If they used composite characters they would have used Eyes Of Heaven Jotaro, who has multiversal reality rewrite powers and infinite stats
but speed is the only thing jotaro has on him... and kenshiro can take way more punishment than SP can dish out. all he needs to do is hit jotaro once...in whatever bullshit pressure point
Qualquer gamer SP can put on massive punishment, DB used shit feats. SP is light speed+ and scaling off Stone Free every punch is a astroid condensed into a first. Its litrally who touches the other first wins.
Defiantly Real Jesus True Oh yeah sure, because Pucci has a body that can take the strikes of an asteroid. Flash's feat in a comic where he gets millions of people, one by one, 30 kms away from the explosion of a nuclear bomb was claimed by the author to be "almost as fast as light", when it'd actually, massively faster than light by proper calculations. Let's believe the words of a nonscientist author instead of the results of the feat. Also... If we go high, Kenshiro has Country level durability. SP ain't scratching him.
in fact if it is faster and with a more powerful perception, with the musou tensei worse, jotaro does not have the speed of light not demonstrated at any time not even in part 4 in fact it depends a lot on his world besides the contradictions with the rat, kira, etc. when he gave the if he used the speed of light to scare his prey in addition to being a vampire was more resistant and powerful, he used the world more correctly and strategically.
I don't blame this... Death Battle has been one to mess up the whole "HOW A CHARACTER WORKS" or correct feating. Ask Goku VS Superman. Yes, Superman wins... but they really lowball Goku's growth with SNAKE WAY ONLY?" What about 6 days in space IN HEAVY GRAVITY or his training with Gohan?! Or 7 years in the afterlife... not a surprise Death Battle does this again.
I go by what Stan Lee said The writer decides who wins. In most fights there are too many external factors. Example , Goku from Namek saga vs Frieza from Namek saga , you would think Goku just wins because he beat Frieza already we all watched that fight multiple times. But remember Goku was having trouble against Frieza in the Beginning. Goku was getting a beating from Frieza until Piccolo stalled for Goku to Kill Freiza with the Spirit Bomb. Then Every body thought Frieza was dead. Goku was tired and then Frieza kills Krillin making Goku Angry for him to turn Super Saiyan , then Goku more or less has the fight won there.
Seed of a G I A N T I feel like when people hear a Character or power moves FTL , they think it moves FTL all the time. But I believe Jotaro only went FTL for at least two or three fights the Anubis Fight and the World Figh and maybe some othets. I also feel like in fictional stories most Characters have control over their attack speed and attack damage capabilities like. Like if Jotaro was attacked by a " Insert Evil Bad Guy Here" He could attack at light speed and make the attacks not killing blows, But if he was fighting and "Insert Evil Bad Guy Here" he could have the attack move at Light speed and the attacks be killing blows.
Andrew Shkreli actually when something moves light speed it'll be outrageously strong(an atom moving at the speed of light would be cataclysmic) either way so most of it is him holding back speed. A part of the power equation is speed.
Why Kenshiro beats Jotaro: 1. The "Only stands can beat stands" thing is a hyperbole stated up by the characters as no other entity in Jojo have the same abilities as stands early in the series. Stands are described to be psychic or spiritual energy, and have shown to be touched or seen by those demon hands in part 4 or the entities in the Rohan novel. Kenshiro literally uses "aura" or fighting spiritual energy which is exactly like stands are given that Jojo is based on Fist of the Northstar. 4. Kenshiro is basically a continent lvl demigod who can destroy entire cities with his mere presence via his aura, the durability to survive nuclear bombs, the strength to tear through mountains, and the speed to catch up with beings that actually move and travel at lightspeed. Jotaro is building lvl at best, Star Platinum doesn't have the range and attack potency to be a threat to Kenshiro. 3. Kenshiro has Musou Tensei which is a God level beyond stands like Wonder of U, GER and even Over Heaven... being able to erase your own existence along with the existence of anyone you want to erase. After all nothingness cannot be affected by time nor space. If Kenshiro uses it he wins no matter what, let alone the secret technique that allows him to summon gods. 4. Kenshiro has Soryu Tenha (Fist of the Blue Style) which negates any Supernatural abilities as it’s stated to prevent spiritual or psychic attacks in the Manga. That, and combined with Kenshiro's power, speed, durability, skill, combat experience, and range, any argument for Jojo stands wouldn't matter.
Basically Deathbattle pairs it's contestants more by surface level similarities rather than equal matching: Shadow vs Mewtwo - two artefficially created being called "supreme life form" (shout out to Kars), Twiligh Sparkle vs Raven - both use emphatic magic and are voiced by Tara Strong, Goku vs Superman - bad dub of DBZ that started a meme. I don't mind if the video is entertaining though. Kenshiro vs Jotaro was mostly because FotNS was one of the inspirations for JoJo, both Ken and Jotaro are ultra mascilne with stone expressions and if you show them to someone who doesn't know these series, they'd think they are from the same series. I admit before I checked them out I thought it was the case - North Star, Star Platinum... Anyway I think the ultimate reason why Jotaro would loose is that *90% of the time one of Crusaders had to tank a hit and then get back from that* and with Ken one hit is all it takes.
That is also true. I believe they use viewer suggestions most of the time, but sometimes they also go by their own. Otherwise from what I've seen Spyro would be going against Spike from MLP
But ken cant even see star platinum and dont give me that muh fighting spirit sensing because stands are not fighting spirits but representations of the soul of the user
I think Jonathan va Kenshiro would've made more sense. Granted I think Kenshito would still win but it'd be more of a battle tbh. Hamon does wonders for the body
Jonathan is so noble he wouldn’t fight though. I think morality and personality should play a big part in Death Battles. Sure that may seem against the point, but some characters are too pure to sully with bloodlust nonsense.
Ah there was also another thing that was done wrong. I think in one of your videos you said that jotaro can't actually fly and explained how he is actually leaping when he fights Dio. I think you also said that it was his stand assisting it, so they were wrong in screwattack when they said he could do that without the help of his stand.
I’m still stumped as to how Eyes over Heaven Jotaro would’ve mattered. Ken had the upper hand as he kills not warp reality. I’m surprised that they didn’t consult yourself, Meti or Xforts for advice on the subject matter. I would love to see an interesting match up: Tenchi (Tenchi Muyo Franchise) vs Gio AKA Light Hawk Wings vs Gold Experience Requim.
Keith Thompson eyes of heaven Jotaro would matter because a single hit would erase Kenshiro from existence. Basically the fight would be a “first person to get hit dies” but Jotaro would have the overwhelming advantage of a time stop and extended reach through an invisible ghost man.
I feel as though Death Battle tends to both downplay the fighters and they intentionally refuse to allow them to do lethal one shots from the get-go. Honestly a REAL death lustful battle between Kenshiro and Jotaro should only last no more than a couple of seconds. Kenshiro pressure point attacks and Star Platinum can basically 1-shot anyone. If it wasn't for Jotaro always holding back his attacks, I mean Punching Stands like The World, Killer Queen, King Crimson have been shown to literally punch through the human body *VERY* easily in a single punch, being punched a thousand times with power like that should virtually leave the person being hit looking like Swiss fucking Cheese. But once again Death Battle still shows a terrible job showcasing actual fights between power-houses. -_-
"Star Platinum can basically 1-shot anyone." HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH...dude...just no... he can 1-shot people he's strong enough to 1-shot, which is most normal humans. but that doesn't work against every character ever... not even bullshit gag characters can 1-shot everything
Kenshiro's abilities 1.Master of Hokuto Shinken 2.Weapon Mastery 3.Chi Manipulation, Aura 4.Biological Manipulation 5.Death Manipulation 6.possibly Matter Manipulation 7.Memory Manipulation 8.Mind control 9. Sleep Manipulation 10.Duplication 11.Instinctive Reaction 12.Precognition 13.limited Spatial Manipulation 14.Stealth 15.Summoning 16.Telekinesis, Power Mimicry 17.Air Manipulation 18. can cut through people on a cellular level. Ice Manipulation 19.Power Nullification 20.Intangibility and Existence Erasure with Musō Tensei (Also can't be erased while in this mode) 21.Astral Projection 22.Pocket Reality Manipulation 23. Resistance to poisons 24.Heat 25. Chi Draining 26.Clairvoyance 27.Regeneration
Thank you! They downplayed Jotaro and made him sound like he wouldn't win. Kenshiro is pretty damn op too, but ScrewAttack had me kinda salty with the downplays
Aleksey 420 I The loser is always downplayed that's what I see in every coment why can't we just enjoy two random characters beating the shit out of each other vs that of complaining about an outcome that realy doesn't matter in the end -_- they had a Chuck Norris vs Segata Sanshiro fight that ended the universe! I think that says how much the outcomes don't matter!
This gotta be the most deplorable comment section in Jojo history 😭🙏 the meateating here is insane, Jotaro only has 1 daughter because you guys ERODED him with all this riding
The only reason so many people accuse Death Battle of being wrong is because they research the characters without actually watching/reading all the source material. Which means they don't get emotionally invested. Because emotional investment leads to bias. But they also have an entire team of researchers who spend WEEKS leaving no stone unturned when it comes to feats and whatnot. The end result is an impartial take on the characters that prunes inconsistency and doesn't pretend that they're invincible. This approach, however, tends to make fans REALLY mad.
To be honest, I feel like the research team _deliberately_ low-balled Kenshiro and inflated Jotaro's abilities because they knew _exactly_ how much of a mismatch it would have been if they were honest and clear about it- which is to say that Wiz and Boomstick would have stopped halfway through Kenshiro's analysis and asked "seriously... do you even need to watch the animation? You already know how it's going to end."
Screw attack getting their facts wrong? pfff what kind of parallel universe you come from? that's just CRAAAAAAAZY talk. Thats why i tent to prefer Hyun's Dojo and the like, they just say "wouldnt a fight with this guy and this guy be cool? yeah lets GO! who won? i dont care it was awesome"
In one of their Death Battle Cast videos, they said the reason DB makes characters composite characters (such as in the case of Jotaro and Goku) is to cover all alternate scenarios - to essentially make it the best version of that character, so that the conclusion is that much more defined, and people ask less "what if it were this version of the character" questions. They go more in depth about it in that video, and if I remember correctly, it was in the Doctor Fate vs Doctor Strange Death Battle Cast video, in which they defined the rules of Death Battle.
I think death battle just needs to leave anime alone. They pick different timelines where characters are much different which different flaws and contradictory weaknesses. Like comparing star dust crusaders Jotaro in part 3 and 4 his stand is probably at it’s best in part 3. Why use the weaknesses from part 4 when you don’t understand the context? His stand got much weaker, hell it look as buff or nearly as powerful as part 3 jojo (also his time stop was needed from 5 seconds to 2 and Josuke was able to keep up when they fought). Part 2 Joseph had powerful hamon with no stand and part 3 Joseph had weak hamon, but a strong stand (its strong for how he uses it). Part 4 Joseph had even more weak hamon and a weak stand at that point. Like how can you pull different timelines as feats and weaknesses?
Wouldn't work. People in HnK have still kept fighting after multiple organ failures. Ken's brother Hyou had his heart crushed, lungs popped and spine broken and still wiped out an army. Ken fought Kaioh in a coma. Hell, Juuza fought Raoh while being dead.
I'm sticking with what I said on their video: it was done for the meme. their time could have been used to do any other death battle, like two indie metroidvainia games
I think they mentioned that trying to limit amount of time they go over what each character can do to avoid making the video too long but I do think they could have done a better job clarifying a lot of stuff.
My biggest complaint of the fight was that Kenshiro could actually *SEE* Star Platinum. He's not a stand user, and he doesn't have the ability to see spirits. He shouldn't be able to see and react to Star Platinum at the start.
There are quite a lot of misinformation regarding Kenshiro's attacks as well. The most important one is the tenha kassatsu (Heaven Breaking Impalement), Kenshiro deploys it mostly as a defensive tatic or as a measure on an unguarded opponent on the offense. The Technique hits the 7 pressure points on the opponent's torso and reveal all the pressure points. Kenshiro used this on Souther to reveal the pressure points because, Souther had an abnormal body where the pressure points were reversed. This tatic would have been pointless on Jotaro since (I am assuming) had a normal body. And regarding mirages of him, it forms when the opponent is unable to track his movement. And because the opponent is unable to track the movement and see mirages, it feels like multiple people are attacking. However this is due to the fact that Kenshiro is using his touki. Meaning that if Star Platinum was still seeing mirage clones (That's what deathbattle was stating) of Kenshiro, it means that Kenshiro's touki was able to outmaneuver Star Platinium and can easily attack Jotaro. (Also Kenshiro isn't the only one who's done this, many fighters like Raoh, Shu, Kenshiro's mentor Ryuken have done the same) And regarding "Kenshiro connecting to dead allies and using their techniques". Technically Kenshiro uses Mosou Tensei to allow for the fighting spirit of dead fighters (friend or foe) to be harnessed within him to use their techniques. But along with that Hokuto Shinken has a mirroring technique Suieishin (Water Reflection Spirit) to replicate a fighter's signature maneuvers. Kenshiro uses his own touki to sense other forms of touki, this is how he fights other fighters who make mirages or during the time he had to fight the monk clan blind and deaf. Regarding Stand vs touki. This one is the place where I am going a bit out of canon. Because this is where all questionable things of this whole death battle will begins. If Kenshiro is able to sense Star Platinium, it means that Star Platinium is a form of touki that Kenshiro can counter, meaning he can hurt Star Platinium. And stands are usually defined as an entity generated by a user's life energy and fighting spirit, similar to how touki is created by Kenshiro (Technically). By that logic, Kenshiro would be able able to see Star Platinium and hurt it as well. (Do not forget that this point pure speculation) In overall deathbattle has done poor research on the characters (I mean both Jotaro and Kenshiro were misrepresented). DeathBattles are to be taken as lightly and pure entertainment only with no underlying lore accurary.
Death Battle research shines for not existing, they didn't give Ken speed or attack potency feats, the same goes for durability, the ones they did give where at best a downplay... is likely that they either didn't do research or that they let those out to make Jotaro look more powerful, they also didn't make Ken use any of the Nantos, the Gento or Hokuto Ryuken. The ¨tenha kassatsu¨ is an offensive move, Ken did use it to counter Souther, Ken alredy knew that his pressure points where inverted and could alredy hit them, it was intended to make Souther's pressure points visible but it was also an attack to kill him, you do that to any other and they would be pretty dead. Then Ken should be able to see or at the very least sense Star, Ken can both see and interact with auras, he can also give phisical form to his own fighting aura, i don't know if he would be able to damage Star, but he would most likelly know that Star is arround and where it is.
Honestly, even with you clearing most of this stuff up, there's still no way Jotaro could've won. There's a massive power gap between the two considering Kenshiro's Musuo Tensei, Mirage Clones, and only needing to hit one pressure point in order to win against his enemy.
Heres how to predict the winners of death battle . Camera focusing primarily on them ,having something assosiated with them happening ,if the above two are correct then if theye on the opposite side of the last times winner on the thumbnail ,they probably win .
they lowballed both of them they acted like kenshiro was only building level when ken has beaten roah who distorted the clouds with one of his attacks and that said attack was calced to be country level they also didn't mention that ken with anryu tenha could trap both jotaro and SP in a weightless space and didn't mention his existence erasure with muso tenso
depends, if it's the main characters then jotaro loses (especially since end game they get new more OP personas) if it's side characters jotaro could win (i'd say 7-8/10 times possibly 9) if it's characters from persona 2...... dude, not even GER could beat some of them (emphasis on some since it is possible for it to beat them but not all of them, they're just that OP)
Kenshiro does win tho, he one-shotted a guy that survived am explosion that could be seen from space. However, as mentioned here, both characters were super downplayed, important info was missing, thibgs were taken out of context, and heck they didn't even mention Kenshiro's weaknesses.
Kenshiro wins pretty much entirely on weight of being so tough that StarPlat couldn't even scratch him, and being able to produce so much collateral damage that there's simply no dodging it all. Seriously, Kenshiro is *country level*, millions of times stronger and tougher than every known Stand combined, and that's pretty much the end of the argument. Kenshiro also has a bunch of other hax that would be a counter to Jotaro... if he was several thousand times faster than he is. Actually, Jotaro is just a bad matchup. Cream, The Hand, Tusk, Ball Breaker, Killer Queen, D4C, Notorious BIG, Made in Heaven, Heaven's Door, GER, Whitesnake, Soft and Wet, just off the top of my (honestly not that knowledgable) head there are easily over a dozen Stands that completely shut Kenshiro down by bypassing his durability and moving too fast/being too invisible for him to counter. StarPlat's Time Stop is powerful, but not tremendously relevant to most non-JoJo fights because all it functionally does is make him faster, and I guarantee that he's already far faster than over 99% of all potential fighters three tiers above him, and is otherwise an extremely basic close-range Stand with no hax.
KevinNguyen Precisely. And VI *will* get the surprise factor well over 90% of the time. 8bitdiedie I meant strength as in strength. Ora and Muda. Not Strength (sorry), and not as ability to deal damage.
City block level vs country level. When I say Kenshiro has a million times the physical strength of every known Stand combined... I've done the math, and it's correct to the order of magnitude.
I still say that Kenshiro should have fought Dio or one of the Pillar Men. It might be fun to see how Hokuto Shinken stacks up against chars that wouldn't have pressure points.
Dio Over Heaven Pucchi Part 4 Jotaro Okuyasu (If he can hit him with The Hand) Rohan Need I go on? Johnny Joestar Josuke 8 (He can steal abstract things like eyesight, stands, etc.)
@@otakup2430 I understand pucci a bit I guess but your saying a fucking cripple can hurt someone whos capable of killing people without even touching them?
I've found a way Jotaro could win instantly: (I am aware that I could possibly be wrong and that people will reply saying that I am, so don't bother replying.) 1. "Star Platinum: Za Warudo!!!" 2. Phase through Kenshiro's body 3. Crush his heart!!!
Well I don't know much about FoTNS, but Jotaro should have won just with SP speed. I mean Kenshiro is what, Massively hypersonic. Which is anywhere from mach 25 to 8810, mach 8810 being 2997924.6 m/s. Now SP, who is faster than light ( Speed of light is 299792458 m / s) could have just killed Kenshiro before he even realized what had happened. Also just a quick question. Could Star Platinum punch Kenshiro when he is intangible? i mean SP can phase through physical objects, so if he were to use that then would he be able to touch Kenshiro?
Misha Exactly - people in these vs. debates always seem to assume the original writers actually know what they're talking about when it comes to physics... News flash: most of them haven't a f*cking clue! They just use terms like FTL or MFTL 'cos it _sounds_ impressive... simple as that.
Argonian 101 _Le sigh..._ Tell you what, bruh - try looking up the time Flash (from DC) saved an entire city worth of people from a nuclear blast; the writer at the time stated that Flash was supposedly moving "just under the speed of light"... Then, try looking up what happened when someone who actually understood physics sat down & did the calculations - trust me, it paints a _VERY_ different picture. To reiterate my original point: _WRITERS DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT._
i suggested it because of how jotaro resembled kenshiro in a few shots of the original ova. also, because it's a case of 'inspiration vs creation inspired by inspiration' also, i basically gave up on trying to get them to do objective match-ups and figured i could use it to try and drum up attention for jojo
For those that didn't listen to the first 11 seconds, I don't care that Kenshiro won. I like both of the characters here. I'm just addressing the misinformation.
also how do u not listen to the first 11 seconds whats wrong with you
My guess is that some people just came to the comment section to argue who would win and why instead of coming to see your video.
Kaleb I.A. A lot of people are stupid in the world.
Kenshiro probably was only given the win be of his just badass finishing line”you’re already ready “ compared to jotaro who if he won would probably just say “good grief “
lets just reply to every comment that obviusly didnt watch the first 11 seconds with " you obviously didnt watch the first 11 seconds"
Kaleb I.A. I agree with what you said in your video , but may I add that Ken couldn't have exchanged punches with Star Platinum ? Only stands can touch other stands , right ?
They forgot Jotaro’s strongest technique! The one that’s been passed down the Joestar family bloodline! The move that can get you out of anything!
SMMMOOOOOKKKKKEEEEEE
Dying?
RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!!!
Some folks actually tried that technique against Ken, just ask Jackal how that went
Generic stickman No, cheating on your wife with Japanese women, who you claim to hate.
-They've never read manga
-they forgot that jotaro is more defensive
-they forgot the secret technique
Jotaro is more defensive? Any explanation? I rarely see people saying that. Its always about Jotaro being the offensive one.
Lucas Wibisono he rarely attacked anubis
Lucas Wibisono instead of charging at dio in mid fight, he used the joestar secret technique
I see.
Annubis said it himself ite Jotaro quick thinking that helps the win
“Even though it says he goes lightspeed he’s actually just close to lightspeed”
And so the fuckery begins once more
Star platinum punches with force of 3m tons they said and next second they said he's best feet is just launching a small part of a building such bulashiiit
@@lukakhoriashvili4270 Even though lightspeed explosions don't happen in anime because that would mean everytime Goku punched another planet would explode. I don't know why Death Battle is so scared to accept planetary feats or lightspeed feats when they're right in front of them. Like for some reason they acted like Android 18 might not be able to destroy planets.
Mrnintendobuster Dio dropped a road roller in stopped time, which means it moved in literally 0 seconds. Since speed is distance over time, that means he moved it in the speed is uncomprehendable. And since more speed would equal more force upon impact, that would quite literally end the universe.
In short, it’s JoJo. Who cares about science?
@@smittythetaxcollector2239 that's the meaning of stand for y'all
@@smittythetaxcollector2239 i am pretty sure that counts as teleportation
Araki: “Star Platinum can punch faster than light.”
Wiz: “Acktuallllyyy...”
Fyrewound araki: stone frees punches are like small meteors
Star platinum is stronger than that and FTL. What would a meteor be like at light speed? Too much.
Misha In stopped time... *thicc oof*
Jotaro did have trouble with Anubis-possessed Polnareff. Not Silver Chariot, just Polnareff swinging around Anubis who I can safely assume isn't swinging at "light-speed". With that being said, Jotaro is one to fight with his mind rather than just brute force, which is how he defeated Dio. So yeah, not the best DB, but I'm not going to cry over spilt milk.
Seed of a G I A N T well stopped time logic never really makes sense. If you stop time and you give someone a tiny tap on the shoulder do you:
A) completely obliterate them because you are moving faster than the flow of time itself
Or
B) nothing happens cause the power of PLOT makes it so everything around you acts like time we're moving normally.
Misha indeed, punches in SP's stopped time don't stack with each other.
Death Battle is just the WatchMojo of debates
Except death battle is somewhat entertaining
Mateothewolfy debatable
If you don’t know anything about the characters and just want to see action then I guess
But if you see you favorite characters mistreated then it takes the enjoyment out in my opinion
Nh Productions honestly, I really hate how they half ass a lot of the characters, even if the said character wins. They’re still brought up half assed as shit, to the point where you’re questioning just how much they actually looked into the character.
Ok wtf, why is this the most accurate thing I’ve read in a long ass time
@@dailydoseofvitaminc6565 Lucy vs Carnage is a Stark example of this
>Lots of missing context
>Expecting Death Battle to do proper research
Its Death battle we are talking about. The olny research they do is watching TH-cam videos with the combatants.
In the end of the day, its the goldenboy who win the match. In this case since Kenshiro has a new game out, of course he wins.
aceorduece
Thats the point why do the battle whe u know nothing about them and who wins
Duhh...so u even understand what ur saying
aceorduece But it’s not about learning every single detail about a character, it’s about poorly researched and often times downplaying certain characters on purpose.
metalgamer 817
*...rero rero...*
ScrewAttack: hey lets take two OP characters and not mention everything they can actually do making it seem way less interesting than it should be
Like how knuckles didn't go super/hyper vs DK?
Professor Hitomi it’s obvious that Kenshiro can easily obliterate Jotaro just because of how strong he is but still they can at least put in the effort to discuss why and go over all the impressive feats they both have
Professor Hitomi probably didn’t feel like actually doing any deep research on the fact that Kenshiro was able to imitate and pretty much master techniques from seeing them once that just so happened to be some of the most deadly things anyone could pull off in the series
SuperKamiGaming Every Death Battle ever
literally the only reason they made that vid was to cash in on a dead meme, and it just so happened that jojo was also a meme and is similar to fist of the north star.
but as usual, their death battles are poorly researched, badly animated with stolen mugen sprites and always cause either one or both fandoms to get angry beyond any limit.
screwattack? more like screw you, we're making money off being lazy motherfuckers.
*This is just Scout VS Tracer all over again*
Krimsxn ikr who cares, i like jojo more due to it changing everytime
Krimsxn I think scout could have won cause he has more combat experience
@@christykoh5628 and survived a punch to the face by Saxton Hale
nope if it would be jonathan vs kensiro it would
True
It's the Superman argument. Kenshiro can't lose because he was designed _not_ to lose. In terms of characters, though, I like Jotaro more. Stacks of Shonen Jump didn't save him this time, though.
I see you made the same joke. I'm disappointed.
How can you show up in every video i click on. And leave a good comment?!
Except there are times when Superman loses just like there are times when Kenshiro loses. Kenshiro actually loses his first battle against some opponents, Souther and Kaioh being prime examples.
And part 3 Jotaro wasn´t designed nit to lose?
And actually Kenshiro did lose the 1 minute melee against Jotaro.
Also Jotaro has mangas and megazines in his shirt: Kenshiro couldn't touch the pressure points u.u
ThatQuiet GUY maybe he's not buff in SDC, he's just stuffed with megazines about the ocean.. that's why he didn't want to take his uniform off! XD
『Ignis Vis』 not to burst ya bubble but Kenshiro has been able to still get to the pressure points through the armor
@@jerkinjerkyvsgaming whoosh
@@Gart24 whoosh my ass
Kenshiro could hit pressure points from a far using fighting energy
Yeah that BS
@@primus3217 It was clearly a joke. Nobody believes a couple of mangas is gonna stop Kenshiro at all. This is the internet, learn when somebody is joking or making a reference
Can't we all just agree that, no matter the fight, Death Battle is pretty much BS, no matter who would have won?
Death Battle can be pretty dumb. Like with Kirby
Max Hamilton actually the Kirby one makes perfect sense in the sense of comparing and putting in battle to difrent universes the one with the more cartoony physics will always win due to those charicters being impossible to kill. I mean Popeye is basically has the same power as Saitama once he eats spinage your comparing apples to not even oranges but freaking carrots! There's a No right answer as at the end of the day they're just animations made for fun and their's always going to be a bias twords the charicter the research team likes more. The outcomes don't matter if they did why not just skip the animation and go to the result!
Demi-Fiend of Time Yes but death battle actively tries to make it analytical. Besides you are telling me if we put Popeye the fucking sailor man vs MUI Goku and him using a full power MUI Kamehameha he would survive and let alone win? Are you insane?
R1GEL well, it would be funny
R1GEL honestly i think popeye would win. He literally punched someone hard enough for them to create escape velocity.
So kenshiro only needed one touch to beat Jotaro, that much is true. But what could have stopped star Platinum from racing back to jotaros side the moment Ken began to approach him? Star catched the microscopic stand lovers in between his bare fingers, he should have been able to stop Ken before he even touched him
JGTDT your right. Including the fact that Jotaro never steps out of star platinums range. Never
JGTDT Kenshiro would have become the saltiest place on earth if that happened. It would've been beautiful.
The Star Succ made me lol
jgtdt blessed
but kenshiro is not so easy to beat also Kenshiro is not a simple human, Kenshiro is a human a human of the future where the strongest kills the weak indiscriminately of how old Kenshiro has a huge resistance to deadly attacks also jotaro for his stand their unbreakable bubble according to you, perhaps they think that kenshiro is weak only because they do not know the character is not weak in fact it is so powerful that it could kill all the characters of dragon ball if they dare to underestimate it their blows do not go for a second but meli seconds since it is instantaneous and it is deadly every blow because it hits with ki in its pressure points and it is over, because it is dangerous that is not all for worse it can povocar energy waves contained in them radiation when using the martial art of raoh , that's not all the musou tensei uses with the tranciende in the nothingness being stronger than any existing living being, jotaro has the stick finger I do not remember and the prays now, the world can for the time according to and with that is saved not even think about the specialty of star platinium is the speed and strength, resistance, what happens is that they move so fast that he can only move if for the dry time he does not It could be morbid but at the Kenshiro point that has more possibilities thanks to its fighting and technical characteristics, they will say only a stand can beat a stand Kenshiro has already fought with a being that really could not be seen so much that he had to use his senses adoptive brother who also learned els musou tensei and made his own version more powerful full of nuclear energy by raoh I already said it in a nutshell I fight with a fucking nuclear bomb and the most powerful by radiation rank and destruction good finish thanks for reading here have reliable information since I saw the whole series without skipping anything until I saw the remake and the origins, spin off so is now at your discretion.
Kenshiro vs Jotaro is like Pepsi vs Cola.
In the end, both of them are bad for your health.
Bootleg Goku most non cancer-y,funny comment on this whole video😂 thx for the refresher pal😄
don't use cancer to say something is bad, just sounds cringy.
Exactly lol.
Bootleg Goku jotaro i swear has one of the biggest plot armor ever but he ks still dope
Pepsi is a cola.
If they included Eyes of Heaven Jotaro would have had a huge advantage and win.
But glad you pointed out the facts about Jotaro to, It urked me how they missed a lot of context on the Time Stop vs Bug Eater and Star Platinum vs Silver Chariot
Z1 Puncher 無限の拳 This. Why _would_ they use Eyes of Heaven Jotaro? End of Part 3 Jotaro is not only the most iconic version, but also the strongest version of Jotaro in the main universe. Eyes of Heaven isn't even canon. You'd have to be pretty damn biased to pull something like that.
Z1 Puncher 無限の拳 because eyes of heaven jotaro killed a dude that fucks with reality itself
Z1 Puncher 無限の拳 I see you every jotaru vs kenshiro vid
somehow he might win...he at least has a bit of a chance. Problem with that though is Kenshiro will win 99.9% of the time because while Jotaro is trying to fight Ken, Ken is trying to Kill Jotaro.
That gives Ken the advantage in the fight by a few light years. Jotaro won't try to kill Kenshiro until things get to a point where he needs to feel obligated to kill him. That's just who Jotaro is. That's his character.
However, to get to that point Ken would have to have injured Jotaro. Big problem there is one touch means Jotaro Dies. Jotaro doesn't know that he'd be killed from simply trading blows with Kenshiro.
Not knowing is the biggest downfall of most of Kens victims. Not opponents. Victims. Ken doesn't fight people, he kills them. He fights monsters, like himself, but kills people, like Jotaro and the other JoJo's. Ken cannot be considered a person anymore. You hit a certain threshold of strength until you become essentially inhuman.
Jotaro and company are still humans. They just happen to have spiritual powers in the form of stands which while a reflection of inner strength they may be, are still entirely separate from them as far as their own physical ability goes.
*tldr?* Kenshiro isn't an opponent who should be matched up against any JoJo. Have him fight Hit from DragonBall Super instead. Then we can see Ken Lose at the very initiation of combat. Hell combat wouldn't even initiate. Ken would be on Hit's hitlist and be killed during time stop...except Kenshiro seems to use BSfu to his advantage in instances like those as well...
Avi Just because the story writes itself out of existence, doesn't mean those instances never happened for the reader. Lazy way to want to rebrand a franchise after realizing you done goofed up the writing is not a way to retcon anything. All it does is open up Multiverse theory for the franchise.
Jotaro won the minute melee.
Master Chief he won the melee, that's why they made him lose the DB
Ironically its like the minute melee has more research than the actual battle lol
Master Chief There is no research in those
Not all the time
They did the same thing with Sephiroth VS Virgil.
In other words, if Jotaro can't do it, the only Jojos who Stand a chance are Giorno and maybe Johnny.
Just Some Guy with a Mustache jotaro vs kenshio is really who have a better hax (i still think jotaro could have win) but they are a lot of stands who can rekt keisho not just GIORNO AND JOHNNY.
Johnny would take him
Like there's plenty of nutty stands that could probably take him in a fight. Risotto, diavolo, and notorious B.I.G come to mind. While the only guaranteed win is B.I.G, the other 2 definitely could etch out a win
Just Some Guy with a Mustache FUCKING EXACTLY KENSHIRO AINT SHIT COMPARED TO THEM (well giorno don't know about Johnny he is strong though)
trickytristan1 same bruh
And that's why people like One Minute Melee's version better.
Even though it doesn't do research it manages to be accurate.
Also is it only me or do other people too hate it people comment "who cares it doesn't do research anyway" just because their character lost thus crushing your dreams of your character ever winning?
Doesn't have any of the feats people bring up, You sure it's not 'cause Jotaro won?
It's cause it doesn't preface the fight with little information and questionable reasons for winning to justify the victory, which in turn purposefully causes arguments to break out.
Just a simple fight.
And cause Jotaro won.
One minute melee is still shit
One Minute Melee downplays Sonic characters far too much.
They really downplayed Jotaro.
It's also the fact Jotaro has nothing he could do to hurt Kenshiro by the end of the series.
Intangible heart grab is a thing that Star Platinum can do.
Sidhartha Phukan That would matter if he tried that as his first or second move.
really it is true since jotaro is not a very intelligent fighter that we say depends a lot on his strength and resistance in this case he only has to explode in a violent way if he prays the time he prays.
Post part 3 Jotaro would like a talk with you person above
basically, Kenshiro vs jotaro = Dio takes the win
mr lemonz no, actually....[ King Crimson]...., and that's why baby Mario bros would win, ladies and gentlemen.
No with farmer with the shotgun not even Golden Experience Requim can stop em
ok lets all be honest Shaggy and Gohan Blanco will { Bite Zah Dusto } ok lets all be honest Shaggy and Gohan Blanco
SOUPA MARIO BROS 2, BABYYYY
Sakuya Izayoi snipes DIO and takes the win.
Death battle downplaying characters is nothing new, saying shit like 'Sonic just barley wins against Mario' even though they included Archie Sonic feats and claiming Ichigo couldn't beat Naruto because Naruto dodged a laser even though Ichigo is far faster than light. There's a lot of downplaying in death battle which completely alters fight results.
LegendOfSonic But naruto is still strong😁
I think Naruto still should have won but they nerfed ichigo to shit all his greatest attributes were yamcha-fied
mario beats sonic, and naruto beats ichigo.
they literally gave ichigo every advantage and he isn't even close. naruto gets to bullshit levels of power...that's all
Ichigo is not faster than light lol
ALMIGHTY KUSH
White Tanooki.
I stopped watching Death Battles long time ago, I hate watching characters beloved to me fighting to death, but damn,that's a lot of mistakes. Now I hate Screwattack even more.
(sorry 4 the engrish)
yeah, the animation is really good, but having every character wanting to murder each other, no matter who they are, is just weird.
thats something that i like about OMM, the characters interact before and after the battle without being just 2 character striped of their personalities.
ulkimion So does DEATH BATTLE!, of course they lose their personalities, NO HOLDBACKS in Death battle!
Well screwattack is gone now
Stopped at Goku vs Superman
I stopped after Ben vs Hal Jordan
Seriously that fight was one sided as hell since Ben could basically turn into god and do whatever he wants, even time traveling to the time of Hal’s birth then putting his fist through his tiny little head
Well, for those who wanted Jotaro to win, then they can watch the One Minute Melee video of Jotaro vs Kenshiro because Jotaro wins in that one.
Alex McNeill As it should be.
Jotaros pressure points were protected by some books at a nearby store.
Alex McNeill "bUt tHeRe'S nO rEsEaRcH" so its like all the other death battle episodes?
David Reyna
I mean, a little bit of research? DB is wtf anyway
THANK YOU.
I honestly wish the audience would move to that series, now that DB has become what it is now.
They forgot Jotaros srongest ability
Kenshiro: I use my ability
Jotaro: So it’s the same type of stand
*jotaro copy’s everything kenshiro does*
Kenshiro: Nani
Wait Dio how do you know that? Ohh nevermind
I just noticed that Kenshiro doesnt have a stand...
but you fool you didn't know Kenshiro's strongest ability *[H U M O R]*
kenshiro is the original anime meme
The Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru still lives to this day
@@thenorthstarsamurai roads rolls da: am I a joke to you?
@@darx438 yes
@@thenorthstarsamurai people only know the omae wa mu not kenshiro if I'm being honest
Kenshiro deserved the win. Although, his mirage after-images became clones instead of afterimages. Which kinda irks me. Since after images are your image being left in the spot for moving too fast, Ken's mirage afterimages should disappear in frozen time. And it didn't.
Also Star Platinum's enhanced vision and reaction time should have allowed him to see through the after-images.
No he didn't, Kenshiro won by virtue of being more hyped with a new game coming out
Kenshiro is invincible while in museo tensei. So he would of beat JoJo mcpointless guy. Plus he can copy any moves and transformations i.e. he would of picked up on his time stopping and copied or adapted. Stop being fanboys.
sting7789 Kenshiro is not invinible with museo tensei, Stands can target intangible beings such as GHOSTS, and the afterimages wouldn't exist when time is frozen. Jotaro is MASSIVEY FTL, www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/jjba-silver-chariot-speed.18046/ this feat puts Silver Chariot at 76 times the speed of light, Star Platnium is much faster than this.
Ken wouldn't copy any moves from Jotaro when he is blitzed by BILLIONS of diamond shattering FTL punches in the span of a second, this match would be over the moment it began
Kenshiro won because he is actually nearly unkillable and Hokuto Shinken can adapt just like a that. However he shouldn't have one THAT easily
for me if this was a blood lusted battle which Death Battle is suppose to be Jotaro would have easily killed Kenshiro at the moment and the last part of the animation was complete bullshit i mean why would Jotaro let his time stop run out when phasing to crush kenshiro's heart he would have easily just crushed it before his time stop finishes also mention they got many things wrong with Kenshiro's Techniques i facepalmed when Kenshirou suddenly used naruto's Shadow clone and claimed it to be a mirage cause the clones end up fighting sp it's suppose to be a mirage you know a defensive technique to confuse an enemy not swarm an enemy like Naruto's shadow clone does
HaiseKuromeru He didn't "let it run out" it ran out on it's own, he can only stop time for like what, 5 seconds?
HaiseKuromeru Your an idiot Jataro doesn't fight that way your just some butthurt fanboy who is crying because he lost
MemeLord 2000 exactly. And he let it run out by saying time has resumed instead of just crushing kenshiro’s heart when he clearly had it in his hand.
Or that it was him acknowledging that the time was running out and that it would return in anytime soon? Your logic makes no sense Shinjiro...
Devinmaking he wouldn't even bother saying it if it did run out. He says that when he needs it to move again.
In my opinion, Jotaro vs Kenshiro is the most pointless fight I’ve ever known from Death battle. I haven’t watched nor do have to. I know what both characters can do and to compare their Pros and Cons is all you really have to do and see who has more. Death Battle is pointless and trash.
CWstealth20 exactly
I know a lot of them so I know who would win in a fight always one will have more advantage over the other especially if they are from different worlds
King crimson I mean CWstealth20 always know how it just works
I know this comment is a couple years late, but there are some things I really wanted to get off my chest that you brought up. Sometimes, more so recently, Death Battle has been more or less accurate in the outcomes of their fights. But the reasons they give are totally off. This is one of those times.
I do believe that Kenshiro ultimately wins this fight, for totally different reasons. One being that his attack potency is massively above Jotaro's, since he has a ton of Country level feats (Being comparable to Kasumi Kenshiro, who created a supercell. Stomping Jagi, who survived a nuclear explosion visible from space (Jagi Gaiden Vol. 2). Punching Falco so hard he dissipated a massive cloud. etc.), while Jotaro, at most, reaches Town level (via inhaling Justice and scaling to Weather Report, who could casually create hurricanes). On the other hand, Jotaro possesses an equally astronomical speed advantage over Kenshiro (Fighting Silver Chariot who intercepted Hanged Man [this was calculated to be 365 times FTL here:web.archive.org/web/20161105182934/www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/the-speech-of-vengeance-hang-the-man-with-two-right-hands-jjba.21737/ and in-depth refutations of objections to it here: vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Austrian-Man-Meat/JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventures:_Rant_on_people_who_do_not_believe_in_FTL_stands & vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ArbitraryNumbers/Defending_JoJo_FTL_feats. Not to mention there are literally a dozen other feats and statements from both in-universe characters and WoG [Koichi stating in the same panel that RHCP travels at lightspeed and that Jotaro is comparable to it, Stone Ocean infographics stating SP is lightspeed w/o Time Stop, and the UV and Sunlight beam feats from Battle Tendency]) while Kenshiro only reaches, at most, Mach 178 via Roah's Ki Blast and Liu Zongwu's micrometer dodge.
EDIT: On a side-note, since they used the non-canon OVA and Movie adaptations for some reason (Composites?), this would actually make Silver Chariot's Hanged Man feat more impressive as in the OVA he was actually shown to outspeed Hanged Man by an incredible degree, and it actually shows Chariot's speed compared to the beam of light side-by-side before he attacks.
Their astronomical AP and Speed advantages over each other pretty much cancel each other out. However, unlike Jotaro, Kenshiro has a massive wall of Hax to hide behind. He can use his aura to pacify rampaging enemies and strike fear into an enemy even if they hold an advantage in strength, Duplication (via Ki Clones), can dodge attacks based on instinctive reaction via Muso Tensei (also described as using a blank mind. And it also makes himself intangible), Can bend space around himself to avoid attacks or distort space around an opponent to disorient them and trap them in a weightless space (via Anryū Tenha), and can astral project himself and harm souls (He was capable of touching and harming a wolf, which was later revealed to be a manifestation of Yahma's soul). Kenshiro also possesses regeneration capable of regrowing his flesh, bones, crushed organs, and eyes.
Now, Jotaro does have some good hax abilities, but I don't see how it'll help him specifically against Kenshiro. The only things he can do to Kenshiro during Time Stop is either stack damage or crush his heart. However, concerning the former, while this point was once a popular argument in Jojo Vs Battle circles, it has been proven false (When DIO punched through Kakyoin, when Jotaro broke Kira's hand, when Jotaro and DIO damaged the steamroller and when Jotaro damaged Sheer Heart Attack. All of these times, the damage was dealt to the opponent while time was stopped). And on the latter, even despite the fact that Kenshiro's regeneration will compensate for any crushed organs Jotaro will deal him, I doubt he could even do so given his massive durability advantage (unless his insides are stated or proven to be more vulnerable than his outsides, there's no reason to believe Kenshiro's organs are any less durable than the rest of him).
So all in all, Jotaro's speed won't keep him safe from Kenshiro's AP, Durability, and Hax forever, and he'll eventually get his chance to deliver a killing blow.
Sorry to go into my own little Death Battle rant over a two year old video, but I just wanted to say that Death Battle wouldn't get nearly as much hate as they do if they used more detailed and better reasoned arguments like these. Also, I'm doing my own Vs Battle video for Cole MacGrath vs Alex Mercer, and I thought this would be a good warm-up. Don't expect a reply to this, but if there is that would be sweet.
I don't think jotaro is town level but he could be city block to multi city block due to demolishing iron mineral teeth. High priest seems to be able to posse metals so it probably used the magnesium and iron minerals in the ocean floor to make super strong teeth . Also the road roller feat makes him city block level. If the world and dio are each building level plus then star platinum would be City block level
It's criminal that this reply only has eleven likes. Excellent work.
Technically, in the events shown in the battle, Jotaro and Kenshiro would've killed each-other.
Kenshiro already set in motion the events to Jotaro's death that was pointed out in the original battle.
Jotaro would've killed Kenshiro because he would've either stopped his heart, shred it, or disrupt his blood flow.
And the reason Kenshiro would've died is because he didn't have time to start Muso Tensei because he didn't activate it before Jotaro did that last time-stop.
And that couldn't of been a speed-double (mirage) because in stop time, Kenshiro couldn't of been moving to create them, ergo the Kenshiro Jotoaro did the heart phase to, was the real one.
Ergo, with the events shown, it would play out like this.
Jotaro ends the time-stop
Kenshiro dies via heart complications
K-
Jotaro blows up
"OHH MY GODDD!!!"
If you’ve done your research musou tensei starts automatically much like ultra instinct when the user is in danger
Your also suggesting that he is still even in the same plane of existence
Also kenshiro is everywhere and nowhere at the same time that’s what they mean by nothingness it becomes one with the universe, literally GER can’t even do anything here because he can’t affect something that’s not even there
Actually, looking at what Kenshiro has survived, his heart probably crushes Jotaro’s hand, not the hand crushing the heart.
Why Kenshiro beats Jotaro:
1. The "Only stands can beat stands" thing is a hyperbole stated up by the characters as no other entity in Jojo have the same abilities as stands early in the series. Stands are described to be psychic or spiritual energy, and have shown to be touched or seen by those demon hands in part 4 or the entities in the Rohan ova. Kenshiro literally uses "aura" or fighting spiritual energy which is exactly like stands are given that Jojo is based on Fist of the Northstar.
4. Kenshiro is basically a continent lvl demigod who can destroy entire cities with his mere presence via his aura, the durability to survive nuclear bombs, the strength to tear through mountains, and the speed to catch up with beings that actually move and travel at lightspeed. Jotaro is building lvl at best, Star Platinum doesn't have the range and attack potency to be a threat to Kenshiro, his time stop and ability to phase through objects and people is countered by Kenshiro's aura, speed, and skill.
3. Kenshiro has Musou Tensei which is a God level beyond stands like Wonder of U, GER and even Over Heaven... being able to erase your own existence along with the existence of anyone you want to erase. After all nothingness cannot be affected by time nor space. If Kenshiro uses it he wins no matter what, let alone the secret technique that allows him to summon gods.
4. Kenshiro has Soryu Tenha (Fist of the Blue Style) which negates any Supernatural abilities as it’s stated to prevent spiritual or psychic attacks in the Manga. That, and combined with Kenshiro's power, speed, durability, skill, combat experience, and range, any argument for Jojo stands wouldn't matter.
2:41 loved how you said that with a straight face
I don't like how they only compared damage outputs as justification for Kenshiro's win and not Kenshiro's durability to SP's damage output. And from what they did explain it seemed like SP was more than capable of turning Kenshiro into donut boy V2.
Not saying Kenshiro can't win because I don't know enough about him, it's just the calcs that they made seem to weigh heavily in Jotaro's favor.
Yes one more fan of jotaro.
@@brianriquelmeelgueta1000 Yeah one more fan of Fist Of The North Star (on a mainly JoJo channel).
"he can just stop time and rip out his heart"
>based muso tensei
Fotns fans: yeah I bet kenshiro could beat everyone in the jojos universe as well.
made in heaven, GER, D4C love train, and tusk act 4: imagine that
Max Deth I think kenshiro could beat Valentine tbh
@@bigmacsauce1953 Valentine brings another ken from another universe, they get confused and touch each other to see if it's real, they both smash into each other and die
@@B0K0691 kenshiro uses musou tensei, so the other can't combine with the original Ken. Now Valentine has to fight two kenshiros
@@bigmacsauce1953 Oof
The only thing that could beat Ken is Ger or Over heaven. Ken can use Two finger interception on The nails and can just activate no clip for everyone else. Only Ger and Over Heaven stand a chance.
Funny Valentine would body tf out Kenshiro
Jotaro (building-level) vs. Kenshiro (country-level)
Everyone who says Jotaro has a chance, is objectively wrong.
Even if Ken was 1/10 of how powerful he is, he would still win.... the amount of stupidly powerful stuff that Ken has gives him an absurd advantage, like what can Star/Jotaro do against a guy that is invisible, intangible and can shoot invisible meat mincing/evaporating energy waves...
People get hunged up on ¨FTL Star¨ as if that was a big deal in this fight.
They forgot Jotaro's most powerful weapon
*Plot armor*
It allows him access to the secret technique
@@francescolombardi3438 n i g a r u n d a y o
Kenshiro vs. Golden Experience Requiem
Kenshiro: Omae wa mou shi-
GER: Korega Requiem Da.
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Kenshiro: Nani?
Omg this was so so suprising
ScrewAttack always have an excuses, for there lack of research. ScrewAttack 2 years ago: "Oh we put all the abilities, skill's, and strength's, from every writer who wrote for superman in this death battle that's how he won". ScrewAttack This year: "Oh we can't put Jotaro's Over Heaven power in this death battle because of reason". Me: "WTF!"
ProblemSolverEF Because Jotaro would fucking shit stomp with Over Heaven. They wanted to balance it without having Jotaro use infinite time stop immediately, walking over and wiping Kenshiro from existence.
Where did they mention anything about Over Heaven?
Sir. Beanie It is in one of the little boxes.
On top of that. Eyes of heaven isn't cannon. I dont think screw attack uses non canon feats and characters, at least from the ones I've watched
Cody Kooyenga They used a non-canon feat in the Jotaro vs Kenshiro battle, they also used SSJ4 in the second Goku vs Superman battle.
Also, Eyes of Heaven may not be a part of either of the main continuities but there are many who consider it canon in the Jojo's "multiverse". (Think of any of marvel's multiverses or the Nasuverse or... I honestly don't know what you're a fan of, so it's hard to find an example you should know about.)
hokuto shinken is invincible
What about over heaven? They gave Goku super saiyan 4 which was non canon. So, they could give him over heaven.
They only gave Goku SSJ4 because it wouldn't change the outcome. Even with it, Superman would still win, so they included SSJ4 just for the fight scene. EoH straight up isn't canon.
that battle was before ssj4 became non-canon
Sheet in the Street Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the creator of JoJo confirmed that EoH is canon but is a case of multi verse mayhem, idk though :P.
Really? My mistake then. I guess ScrewAttack just chose not to incorporate it then because it's not really main universe Jotaro.
Lewis Maloney Stop spreading misinformation. Araki never said anything like that.
Kenshiros best strenth feat is knocking down clearly damaged buildings.
My issue is that they completely ignore the fact that Star Platinum scales to Dio.
+ the world helping him
Knocking down a building and then having it land on him as he continued walking, dont down play it
Dongus.inc Star Platnium carries much more power than that, it wasn't even canon anyway
Comic & Annime Fans A Like If they used composite characters they would have used Eyes Of Heaven Jotaro, who has multiversal reality rewrite powers and infinite stats
That's dumb as hell then, not that it matters Jotaro still stomps anyway.
Kenshiro isn't light speed tho he's actually way slower than star platinum
but speed is the only thing jotaro has on him... and kenshiro can take way more punishment than SP can dish out.
all he needs to do is hit jotaro once...in whatever bullshit pressure point
Oh he could won it instantly by using his mind
Qualquer gamer SP can put on massive punishment, DB used shit feats. SP is light speed+ and scaling off Stone Free every punch is a astroid condensed into a first. Its litrally who touches the other first wins.
Defiantly Real Jesus True Oh yeah sure, because Pucci has a body that can take the strikes of an asteroid. Flash's feat in a comic where he gets millions of people, one by one, 30 kms away from the explosion of a nuclear bomb was claimed by the author to be "almost as fast as light", when it'd actually, massively faster than light by proper calculations. Let's believe the words of a nonscientist author instead of the results of the feat.
Also... If we go high, Kenshiro has Country level durability. SP ain't scratching him.
in fact if it is faster and with a more powerful perception, with the musou tensei worse, jotaro does not have the speed of light not demonstrated at any time not even in part 4 in fact it depends a lot on his world besides the contradictions with the rat, kira, etc. when he gave the if he used the speed of light to scare his prey in addition to being a vampire was more resistant and powerful, he used the world more correctly and strategically.
I don't blame this... Death Battle has been one to mess up the whole "HOW A CHARACTER WORKS" or correct feating. Ask Goku VS Superman. Yes, Superman wins... but they really lowball Goku's growth with SNAKE WAY ONLY?" What about 6 days in space IN HEAVY GRAVITY or his training with Gohan?! Or 7 years in the afterlife... not a surprise Death Battle does this again.
Goku is nivel universal galaxia..
I go by what Stan Lee said The writer decides who wins. In most fights there are too many external factors.
Example , Goku from Namek saga vs Frieza from Namek saga , you would think Goku just wins because he beat Frieza already we all watched that fight multiple times.
But remember Goku was having trouble against Frieza in the Beginning. Goku was getting a beating from Frieza until Piccolo stalled for Goku to Kill Freiza with the Spirit Bomb.
Then Every body thought Frieza was dead. Goku was tired and then Frieza kills Krillin making Goku Angry for him to turn Super Saiyan , then Goku more or less has the fight won there.
Pretty much this. If you go by feats and capabilities the pillar men would have destroyed Joseph easily, but they didn't.
Andrew Shkreli Indeed, but yeah...
Araki says SP is ftl and Screwattack just says "nah ah"
Seed of a G I A N T I feel like when people hear a Character or power moves FTL , they think it moves FTL all the time.
But I believe Jotaro only went FTL for at least two or three fights the Anubis Fight and the World Figh and maybe some othets. I also feel like in fictional stories most Characters have control over their attack speed and attack damage capabilities like.
Like if Jotaro was attacked by a " Insert Evil Bad Guy Here" He could attack at light speed and make the attacks not killing blows, But if he was fighting and "Insert Evil Bad Guy Here" he could have the attack move at Light speed and the attacks be killing blows.
Andrew Shkreli I just assume that a person only moves ftl when he is fighting.
Andrew Shkreli actually when something moves light speed it'll be outrageously strong(an atom moving at the speed of light would be cataclysmic) either way so most of it is him holding back speed. A part of the power equation is speed.
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Jotaro cant Even come Near Kenshiro because of his aura
Didn't forget this ken scale to country burster
Why Kenshiro beats Jotaro:
1. The "Only stands can beat stands" thing is a hyperbole stated up by the characters as no other entity in Jojo have the same abilities as stands early in the series. Stands are described to be psychic or spiritual energy, and have shown to be touched or seen by those demon hands in part 4 or the entities in the Rohan novel. Kenshiro literally uses "aura" or fighting spiritual energy which is exactly like stands are given that Jojo is based on Fist of the Northstar.
4. Kenshiro is basically a continent lvl demigod who can destroy entire cities with his mere presence via his aura, the durability to survive nuclear bombs, the strength to tear through mountains, and the speed to catch up with beings that actually move and travel at lightspeed. Jotaro is building lvl at best, Star Platinum doesn't have the range and attack potency to be a threat to Kenshiro.
3. Kenshiro has Musou Tensei which is a God level beyond stands like Wonder of U, GER and even Over Heaven... being able to erase your own existence along with the existence of anyone you want to erase. After all nothingness cannot be affected by time nor space. If Kenshiro uses it he wins no matter what, let alone the secret technique that allows him to summon gods.
4. Kenshiro has Soryu Tenha (Fist of the Blue Style) which negates any Supernatural abilities as it’s stated to prevent spiritual or psychic attacks in the Manga. That, and combined with Kenshiro's power, speed, durability, skill, combat experience, and range, any argument for Jojo stands wouldn't matter.
Honestly, I knew Kenshiro was gonna win. There was just literally no way Jotaro could counter Kenshiro's Musou tensei.
It honestly makes no sense How did jotaro get fooled by the after images LITERALLY HAS ENHANCED VISION LIKE WTF IS THIS BA
I think you're my favorite of the TH-cam people who do a main focus on JoJo in only one way I can describe it. You make JoJo all sciencey.
Basically Deathbattle pairs it's contestants more by surface level similarities rather than equal matching: Shadow vs Mewtwo - two artefficially created being called "supreme life form" (shout out to Kars), Twiligh Sparkle vs Raven - both use emphatic magic and are voiced by Tara Strong, Goku vs Superman - bad dub of DBZ that started a meme.
I don't mind if the video is entertaining though.
Kenshiro vs Jotaro was mostly because FotNS was one of the inspirations for JoJo, both Ken and Jotaro are ultra mascilne with stone expressions and if you show them to someone who doesn't know these series, they'd think they are from the same series. I admit before I checked them out I thought it was the case - North Star, Star Platinum...
Anyway I think the ultimate reason why Jotaro would loose is that *90% of the time one of Crusaders had to tank a hit and then get back from that* and with Ken one hit is all it takes.
they go by what people ask for the most, only changing some of them because it just doesn't work
That is also true. I believe they use viewer suggestions most of the time, but sometimes they also go by their own. Otherwise from what I've seen Spyro would be going against Spike from MLP
But ken cant even see star platinum and dont give me that muh fighting spirit sensing because stands are not fighting spirits but representations of the soul of the user
[realizing i’ve been calling J Guile “Mr Centerfold” the entire time because of dub]
*_GODDAMMIT_*
I think Jonathan va Kenshiro would've made more sense. Granted I think Kenshito would still win but it'd be more of a battle tbh. Hamon does wonders for the body
Jonathan is so noble he wouldn’t fight though. I think morality and personality should play a big part in Death Battles. Sure that may seem against the point, but some characters are too pure to sully with bloodlust nonsense.
No just no.. that isnt fair
ahem.
over heaven.
thank you, have a good night
Ahem
Not canon
Ahem
Musou tensei (You can’t touch what’s not there)
I'm glad you made this! O_o
Ah there was also another thing that was done wrong. I think in one of your videos you said that jotaro can't actually fly and explained how he is actually leaping when he fights Dio. I think you also said that it was his stand assisting it, so they were wrong in screwattack when they said he could do that without the help of his stand.
I’m still stumped as to how Eyes over Heaven Jotaro would’ve mattered.
Ken had the upper hand as he kills not warp reality.
I’m surprised that they didn’t consult yourself, Meti or Xforts for advice on the subject matter.
I would love to see an interesting match up: Tenchi (Tenchi Muyo Franchise) vs Gio AKA Light Hawk Wings vs Gold Experience Requim.
Keith Thompson eyes of heaven Jotaro would matter because a single hit would erase Kenshiro from existence. Basically the fight would be a “first person to get hit dies” but Jotaro would have the overwhelming advantage of a time stop and extended reach through an invisible ghost man.
So it’s the same type of ability as Star Platinum.
“Gains Musou Tensei”
Death Battle is still a thing!?
I feel as though Death Battle tends to both downplay the fighters and they intentionally refuse to allow them to do lethal one shots from the get-go. Honestly a REAL death lustful battle between Kenshiro and Jotaro should only last no more than a couple of seconds. Kenshiro pressure point attacks and Star Platinum can basically 1-shot anyone. If it wasn't for Jotaro always holding back his attacks, I mean Punching Stands like The World, Killer Queen, King Crimson have been shown to literally punch through the human body *VERY* easily in a single punch, being punched a thousand times with power like that should virtually leave the person being hit looking like Swiss fucking Cheese. But once again Death Battle still shows a terrible job showcasing actual fights between power-houses. -_-
palindinX A fight lasting only two seconds wouldn't exactly make for very good entertainment, now would it...? 😑
"Star Platinum can basically 1-shot anyone." HAAHHAHAHAHAHAH...dude...just no...
he can 1-shot people he's strong enough to 1-shot, which is most normal humans.
but that doesn't work against every character ever... not even bullshit gag characters can 1-shot everything
Qualquer gamer *cough* one punch man *cough*
you know krillin is stronger than saitama right?
Qualquer gamer it’s a joke, and yea I agreed that Sp can’t 1 shot
I'm glad you stuck up for Jotaro. I like both characters, and I do agree with your points. Though Kenshiro was made to win.
ORA ORA ORA vs. ATATATATATATATA
That's why Death Battle did that.
Kenshiro's abilities
1.Master of Hokuto Shinken
2.Weapon Mastery
3.Chi Manipulation, Aura
4.Biological Manipulation
5.Death Manipulation
6.possibly Matter Manipulation
7.Memory Manipulation
8.Mind control
9. Sleep Manipulation
10.Duplication
11.Instinctive Reaction
12.Precognition
13.limited Spatial Manipulation
14.Stealth
15.Summoning
16.Telekinesis, Power Mimicry
17.Air Manipulation
18. can cut through people on a cellular level.
Ice Manipulation
19.Power Nullification
20.Intangibility and Existence Erasure with Musō Tensei (Also can't be erased while in this mode)
21.Astral Projection
22.Pocket Reality Manipulation
23. Resistance to poisons
24.Heat
25. Chi Draining
26.Clairvoyance
27.Regeneration
Kenshiro : *uses hokuto tenha kassatsu from 6m away*
Jotaro : guess I'll die
Thank you! They downplayed Jotaro and made him sound like he wouldn't win. Kenshiro is pretty damn op too, but ScrewAttack had me kinda salty with the downplays
Aleksey 420 I The loser is always downplayed that's what I see in every coment why can't we just enjoy two random characters beating the shit out of each other vs that of complaining about an outcome that realy doesn't matter in the end -_- they had a Chuck Norris vs Segata Sanshiro fight that ended the universe! I think that says how much the outcomes don't matter!
ScrewAttack didn't want to use SP The World Over Heaven, that'd be overkill. But yeah, you're right. They took everything out of context
Demi-Fiend of Time thank you just take how it is if Jojo won & they did the same research this video wouldn't have been made.
Aleksey 420 They downplayed Kenshiro too. That building feat is not only non-canon but is just a fraction of his better feats.
Also ken was downplayed
This gotta be the most deplorable comment section in Jojo history 😭🙏 the meateating here is insane, Jotaro only has 1 daughter because you guys ERODED him with all this riding
This fight is basically Superman vs Goku one is written to be a god with no limits while the other is written to always have limits
Kenshiro smacks jotaro, cry jojotards.💀
The only reason so many people accuse Death Battle of being wrong is because they research the characters without actually watching/reading all the source material.
Which means they don't get emotionally invested. Because emotional investment leads to bias.
But they also have an entire team of researchers who spend WEEKS leaving no stone unturned when it comes to feats and whatnot.
The end result is an impartial take on the characters that prunes inconsistency and doesn't pretend that they're invincible.
This approach, however, tends to make fans REALLY mad.
To be honest, I feel like the research team _deliberately_ low-balled Kenshiro and inflated Jotaro's abilities because they knew _exactly_ how much of a mismatch it would have been if they were honest and clear about it- which is to say that Wiz and Boomstick would have stopped halfway through Kenshiro's analysis and asked "seriously... do you even need to watch the animation? You already know how it's going to end."
@@KalibreSteelblast That's what happens when a match-up gets really popular with the fans. 🤷🏻♂️
Screw attack getting their facts wrong? pfff what kind of parallel universe you come from? that's just CRAAAAAAAZY talk.
Thats why i tent to prefer Hyun's Dojo and the like, they just say "wouldnt a fight with this guy and this guy be cool? yeah lets GO! who won? i dont care it was awesome"
It’s kinda strange that a fun video like that death battle seems so controversial
Welcome to the internet. The makers of Death Battle have even got death threats just because they made Superman beat Goku.
In one of their Death Battle Cast videos, they said the reason DB makes characters composite characters (such as in the case of Jotaro and Goku) is to cover all alternate scenarios - to essentially make it the best version of that character, so that the conclusion is that much more defined, and people ask less "what if it were this version of the character" questions.
They go more in depth about it in that video, and if I remember correctly, it was in the Doctor Fate vs Doctor Strange Death Battle Cast video, in which they defined the rules of Death Battle.
EOH is not canon. It isn't an alternate universe, since it includes different alternate universes in it.
I think death battle just needs to leave anime alone. They pick different timelines where characters are much different which different flaws and contradictory weaknesses. Like comparing star dust crusaders Jotaro in part 3 and 4 his stand is probably at it’s best in part 3. Why use the weaknesses from part 4 when you don’t understand the context? His stand got much weaker, hell it look as buff or nearly as powerful as part 3 jojo (also his time stop was needed from 5 seconds to 2 and Josuke was able to keep up when they fought). Part 2 Joseph had powerful hamon with no stand and part 3 Joseph had weak hamon, but a strong stand (its strong for how he uses it). Part 4 Joseph had even more weak hamon and a weak stand at that point. Like how can you pull different timelines as feats and weaknesses?
even if jotaro did phase and crush his heart, musou tensei would just make kenahiro impervious to combat attacks
including the heart grab
Wouldn't work. People in HnK have still kept fighting after multiple organ failures. Ken's brother Hyou had his heart crushed, lungs popped and spine broken and still wiped out an army. Ken fought Kaioh in a coma. Hell, Juuza fought Raoh while being dead.
I'm sticking with what I said on their video: it was done for the meme. their time could have been used to do any other death battle, like two indie metroidvainia games
Death Battle fucked it all up again.
I think they mentioned that trying to limit amount of time they go over what each character can do to avoid making the video too long but I do think they could have done a better job clarifying a lot of stuff.
they could just stop making dumb jokes instead if they cared about keeping the video short.
My biggest complaint of the fight was that Kenshiro could actually *SEE* Star Platinum. He's not a stand user, and he doesn't have the ability to see spirits. He shouldn't be able to see and react to Star Platinum at the start.
To be honest, Jotaro shouldn't have even been up against Kenshiro, it was like a Stand user going up against Superman or One-Punch Man.
Stop
I mean, there are stands that beat both
100 People yeah like gold experience
Matthew Banathy ken's hire should just go against kars (ultimate kars)
Dont forget The hand, Cream, D4C, Ball breaker and Tusk act 4
Nice video man! Was looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
There are quite a lot of misinformation regarding Kenshiro's attacks as well.
The most important one is the tenha kassatsu (Heaven Breaking Impalement), Kenshiro deploys it mostly as a defensive tatic or as a measure on an unguarded opponent on the offense. The Technique hits the 7 pressure points on the opponent's torso and reveal all the pressure points. Kenshiro used this on Souther to reveal the pressure points because, Souther had an abnormal body where the pressure points were reversed. This tatic would have been pointless on Jotaro since (I am assuming) had a normal body.
And regarding mirages of him, it forms when the opponent is unable to track his movement. And because the opponent is unable to track the movement and see mirages, it feels like multiple people are attacking. However this is due to the fact that Kenshiro is using his touki. Meaning that if Star Platinum was still seeing mirage clones (That's what deathbattle was stating) of Kenshiro, it means that Kenshiro's touki was able to outmaneuver Star Platinium and can easily attack Jotaro. (Also Kenshiro isn't the only one who's done this, many fighters like Raoh, Shu, Kenshiro's mentor Ryuken have done the same)
And regarding "Kenshiro connecting to dead allies and using their techniques". Technically Kenshiro uses Mosou Tensei to allow for the fighting spirit of dead fighters (friend or foe) to be harnessed within him to use their techniques. But along with that Hokuto Shinken has a mirroring technique Suieishin (Water Reflection Spirit) to replicate a fighter's signature maneuvers.
Kenshiro uses his own touki to sense other forms of touki, this is how he fights other fighters who make mirages or during the time he had to fight the monk clan blind and deaf.
Regarding Stand vs touki. This one is the place where I am going a bit out of canon. Because this is where all questionable things of this whole death battle will begins. If Kenshiro is able to sense Star Platinium, it means that Star Platinium is a form of touki that Kenshiro can counter, meaning he can hurt Star Platinium. And stands are usually defined as an entity generated by a user's life energy and fighting spirit, similar to how touki is created by Kenshiro (Technically). By that logic, Kenshiro would be able able to see Star Platinium and hurt it as well.
(Do not forget that this point pure speculation)
In overall deathbattle has done poor research on the characters (I mean both Jotaro and Kenshiro were misrepresented). DeathBattles are to be taken as lightly and pure entertainment only with no underlying lore accurary.
Death Battle research shines for not existing, they didn't give Ken speed or attack potency feats, the same goes for durability, the ones they did give where at best a downplay... is likely that they either didn't do research or that they let those out to make Jotaro look more powerful, they also didn't make Ken use any of the Nantos, the Gento or Hokuto Ryuken.
The ¨tenha kassatsu¨ is an offensive move, Ken did use it to counter Souther, Ken alredy knew that his pressure points where inverted and could alredy hit them, it was intended to make Souther's pressure points visible but it was also an attack to kill him, you do that to any other and they would be pretty dead.
Then Ken should be able to see or at the very least sense Star, Ken can both see and interact with auras, he can also give phisical form to his own fighting aura, i don't know if he would be able to damage Star, but he would most likelly know that Star is arround and where it is.
Honestly, even with you clearing most of this stuff up, there's still no way Jotaro could've won. There's a massive power gap between the two considering Kenshiro's Musuo Tensei, Mirage Clones, and only needing to hit one pressure point in order to win against his enemy.
Thank you for saying that Rise (or Jay) Jotaro are just nowhere strong as Kenshiro
Kenshiro takes it 10/10. The man is literally a country buster+ . Jotaro dead ass can't win
I can't believe how wrong Death Battle can be and still be accurate with the victor.
Death Battle always does composite characters. One of their rules is to portray the character at their best.
Heres how to predict the winners of death battle . Camera focusing primarily on them ,having something assosiated with them happening ,if the above two are correct then if theye on the opposite side of the last times winner on the thumbnail ,they probably win .
they lowballed both of them they acted like kenshiro was only building level when ken has beaten roah who distorted the clouds with one of his attacks and that said attack was calced to be country level they also didn't mention that ken with anryu tenha could trap both jotaro and SP in a weightless space and didn't mention his existence erasure with muso tenso
The one that made me laugh was Kenshiro can see stands.
Das_Bass if you read the HNK manga, you’d understand why.
Or why not have him fight one of the persona characters?
depends, if it's the main characters then jotaro loses (especially since end game they get new more OP personas)
if it's side characters jotaro could win (i'd say 7-8/10 times possibly 9)
if it's characters from persona 2...... dude, not even GER could beat some of them (emphasis on some since it is possible for it to beat them but not all of them, they're just that OP)
Tonglohng one minute melee did that Jotaro won but then Anubis Polnareff fought the same character and lost
Well, let's say it's one of the Wild Cards. That way, they'll probably limit them to their base and ultimate Personas. As such, Minato > Akira > Yu.
Would Jotaro with Over Heaven not be able to compete?
Tomas Neliubsis true but in terms of looks I like Satanael
Now we wait for the Dio vs Alucard video-
You are my favorite youtuber : )
Kenshiro does win tho, he one-shotted a guy that survived am explosion that could be seen from space.
However, as mentioned here, both characters were super downplayed, important info was missing, thibgs were taken out of context, and heck they didn't even mention Kenshiro's weaknesses.
Kenshiro has no weakness
Giango The Mango They could've mentioned this.
2hu one-shots both of them.
Kosheachill Tbh Touhou is just a big jojoke.
Sakuya is broken,dio has 30% and 40% to win.
Why is this subject so popular?
Lawnmower Productions Because Kenishiro shouldn't have won
Lawnmower Productions cuz it is screw attack
Because some JoJo fans are getting salty just like the Dragon Ball fans.
Expect people to cry about it for a long time.
Edo Edi Essum which is completely normal, anybody would be salty at the idea of seeing something they love being "beaten" by something else
because ORA ORA ORA vs ATATATATA is cool
but no, jotaro never had a chance
Kenshiro wins pretty much entirely on weight of being so tough that StarPlat couldn't even scratch him, and being able to produce so much collateral damage that there's simply no dodging it all. Seriously, Kenshiro is *country level*, millions of times stronger and tougher than every known Stand combined, and that's pretty much the end of the argument.
Kenshiro also has a bunch of other hax that would be a counter to Jotaro... if he was several thousand times faster than he is.
Actually, Jotaro is just a bad matchup. Cream, The Hand, Tusk, Ball Breaker, Killer Queen, D4C, Notorious BIG, Made in Heaven, Heaven's Door, GER, Whitesnake, Soft and Wet, just off the top of my (honestly not that knowledgable) head there are easily over a dozen Stands that completely shut Kenshiro down by bypassing his durability and moving too fast/being too invisible for him to counter. StarPlat's Time Stop is powerful, but not tremendously relevant to most non-JoJo fights because all it functionally does is make him faster, and I guarantee that he's already far faster than over 99% of all potential fighters three tiers above him, and is otherwise an extremely basic close-range Stand with no hax.
I’d imagine cream just went woops, and kenshiro is gone if VI get the surprise factor
Tor Diryc'Goyust Not every known stand considering stands like Act 4 Tusk but other than that I agree.
KevinNguyen Precisely. And VI *will* get the surprise factor well over 90% of the time.
8bitdiedie I meant strength as in strength. Ora and Muda. Not Strength (sorry), and not as ability to deal damage.
Jotaro just created fucking holes in DIO's vampiric body,Kenshiro is nothing compared to Star Platinum strength
City block level vs country level. When I say Kenshiro has a million times the physical strength of every known Stand combined... I've done the math, and it's correct to the order of magnitude.
Omm have done this
I still say that Kenshiro should have fought Dio or one of the Pillar Men. It might be fun to see how Hokuto Shinken stacks up against chars that wouldn't have pressure points.
If Kenshiro touched one of the Pillar Men he'd lose that hand.
Ok let’s make a list of who could beat kenshiro I’ll start
Giorno
General Communism could Kira win with Bites the Dust
Funny Valentine
Dio Over Heaven
Pucchi
Part 4 Jotaro
Okuyasu (If he can hit him with The Hand)
Rohan
Need I go on?
Johnny Joestar
Josuke 8 (He can steal abstract things like eyesight, stands, etc.)
@@otakup2430 I understand pucci a bit I guess but your saying a fucking cripple can hurt someone whos capable of killing people without even touching them?
Musou Tensei solos
I've found a way Jotaro could win instantly: (I am aware that I could possibly be wrong and that people will reply saying that I am, so don't bother replying.)
1. "Star Platinum: Za Warudo!!!"
2. Phase through Kenshiro's body
3. Crush his heart!!!
Shadowex126 做梦吧你
Well I don't know much about FoTNS, but Jotaro should have won just with SP speed. I mean Kenshiro is what, Massively hypersonic. Which is anywhere from mach 25 to 8810, mach 8810 being 2997924.6 m/s. Now SP, who is faster than light ( Speed of light is 299792458 m / s) could have just killed Kenshiro before he even realized what had happened.
Also just a quick question. Could Star Platinum punch Kenshiro when he is intangible? i mean SP can phase through physical objects, so if he were to use that then would he be able to touch Kenshiro?
DeathTheManiac could a ghost fight another ghost?
Speed of light attacks are usually underplayed in fiction. An atom moving at light speed could destroy the earth
Misha Exactly - people in these vs. debates always seem to assume the original writers actually know what they're talking about when it comes to physics...
News flash: most of them haven't a f*cking clue!
They just use terms like FTL or MFTL 'cos it _sounds_ impressive... simple as that.
PeteTheGrouch Too bad because the writers decide how strong their characters are. If Araki says hes FTL hes FTL.
Argonian 101 _Le sigh..._
Tell you what, bruh - try looking up the time Flash (from DC) saved an entire city worth of people from a nuclear blast; the writer at the time stated that Flash was supposedly moving "just under the speed of light"...
Then, try looking up what happened when someone who actually understood physics sat down & did the calculations - trust me, it paints a _VERY_ different picture.
To reiterate my original point: _WRITERS DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT._
i suggested it because of how jotaro resembled kenshiro in a few shots of the original ova. also, because it's a case of 'inspiration vs creation inspired by inspiration'
also, i basically gave up on trying to get them to do objective match-ups and figured i could use it to try and drum up attention for jojo
Kenshiro towards the end of the second season was super OP, he basically had his own stands and one was Raoh.