@@JThePervertedSummoner That's just stupid Powerscaling. Powerscaling is quite literally about substituting things from 1 series to another to try to fairly compare 2 characters. If you actually understood powerscaling, you would realize that both Haki and Stands are manifestations of the will/spirit of the user, and that you would need to substitute one and the other to have a fair powerscale.
@@crock3251 That's how it works though. If you want to make the argument where one power in a series is the equivalent of another in a different series, then by default all OP characters who can use Haki can see Stands
@@JThePervertedSummoner I don't believe I ever stated that Haki users can't see stands? I was counter-arguing your point, for there was no reason to go even further than just substituting Haki and Stands.
One thing i'd like to clear up is that a logia user does not need to manually dodge unless the attack includes haki. If it is a physical attack without haki, it will act as if you hit whatever element they are made out of. With haki, it will hit their main body and you need to use haki of equal strength to counteract it, or manually dodge it. This is why people with haki can easily hit logia users, because they never had to manually dodge attacks so when they are forced to do so they don't have the skill required.
A lot of people make the misconception that a logia user consciously have to dodge but they don’t they are made of there element and will break apart on contact whether time stops or speed regardless.
@@josephalli2086 The Alabasta scene with Smoker and Ace does muddy waters, but I think where we are now it's pretty set that logia intangibility is just a passive thing. Like genuinely we never see this blitzing a logia user before they even consciously think about being their element.
van angur tried to snipe ace while he wasn't paying attention, and it just went through him ,so yeah idk how jotaro would realistically get through this auto dodging basically 😂😂😂
@@MineShackle wanna talk about the poneglyphs at the end of the arc? That first mentioned a very relevant character to current manga chapters? Or actually the poneglyphs in general? Or how about the entire arc building up to Whole Cake Island?
@@r4v134I hear what your saying and sure it sets up a lot, but that doesn’t mean it’s a set up arc. It has many many things that allow it to stand on its own. Just because it sets things up doesn’t mean that’s all it is. With that logic you could damn near say every arc is a set up arc
@@r4v134 the entire arc is actually a payoff to themes and ideas set up in both Arlong Park and Sabaody. Just because it has set ups IN the arc doesn’t make it a set up arc
Aokiji was only there for Robin, I don’t think he’d care for Jotaro that much including the fact that he really didn’t care for the other Strawhats that much during then
Haki is a manifestation of the spiritual energy/will of the user, just like stands. So a stand should be able to touch logia users. Edit: As one guy pointed out in the responses, it should also work in the other way. People with haki should be able to touch and see stands, with armament and observation respectively.
Anyway you Lowkey downplayed Alot of one piece it's alright tho it happens. Moon walk is described as making mini sonic booms under there feet from there heel kicks. Enel was going to destroy the entire island of Skypieia with his storm attack, along with him having mantra (observation haki) Crocodile has a weakness to liquid which is why Luffy won(you could have jotaro doing the same)
@@czms922 also there are multiple points in the series where logia users are not aware of an attack and their logia abilities save them. for example ace in the ace novel where he sets his hat on fire after eating the fruit because he didnt know it was a devil fruit, crocodile getting cut off by luffys punch with his eyes closed but the logia effect still saves him. and sabo also setting stuff on fire because he couldnt control his ability.
Logia users can produce an infinite amount of their element. In more than 1100 chapters of One Piece, there's never been a case of a logia user "running out" of their element. So, there's literally no way Jotaro would beat Smoker by "inhaling all of his smoke"
stands still act like Armament Haki because of definition of armanent haki. Armanent Haki is spiritual manifestation. Also, maybe that meant haki users can see stands? but still you cant react if time is stopped. Jotaro still wins
@@vongolatx4828 ap and total strengtrh are way different jotaro couldnt destroy a continent but could beat someone with continental ap, speed + abilites + iq are also really important in fights
This was a great video! Respectful to both franchises and thorough. But to add: A) As some people mentioned. And does come up in Vs debates - Logia users are passive. They don’t need to react in order to phase through attacks, it just happens. B) Luffy didn’t have Observation before the timeskip, he was just that superhuman to react to Kuro, Bellamy, etc. C) Post-timeskip OP power ceiling goes CRAZY. Without spoiling you - Haki is a wild system.
12:52 As a one piece scaler, Enel should scale to the attack that was going to destroy the entirety of Skypiea, or island level. This is because he is the powersource of said attack, he just needed the machine to cover a larger area. So, while he could destroy an island, he has the AP, not the DC to do so. By that point Jotaro would be able to blitz but not to damage. Luffy also scales to that level as he dispelled the same attack with a punch.
I would argue that Enel should be somewhat below island level as he destroyed Skypea, an island made of Island Cloud, and Ganfall states that Vearth/Earth IS stronger than Island Cloud after he witnesses Enel destroy Skypea
@@AlexT7916 Yeah, but there's also the fact that said clouds are also mentioned to be made out of Sea stone, which is already stronger than most metals.
I feel like stands and haki measure up pretty well in terms of what they stand for. Haki is will infused into people's fists/weapons, and stands are fighting will. I think they would interact in some way lol
@@Brabbs yeah ... don't know who masazo is lol but I'm pretty sure the only reason holly was gonna die was because of dio cause ... it's jojo, dio's the root cause of like 95% of the problems there
Kaleb you got one thing wrong Logia users don’t reflexively change to that element, they ARE made of that element. There are multiple example in the series where logia users get caught off guard but are still undamaged. They are kind of like stands in the fact that they can only get hurt one of two ways 1: Another logia who naturally counters their element (a la Eneru and Luffy) 2: Armament Haki
@@ilijaorbovic2531 stop treating ever anime powersystem the same. whenever we see a stand for example Star Platinum punch people. there souls aren't hurt at all. When Avdol is kill by Vanilla Ice his soul isn't erased. or when Jotaro and Josuke fought the stand made out of water/steam their physicall attacks did no damage at all.
@@xenobreyden That’s the thing; some of the stuff you equalize doesn’t make sense when you try, especially for more complex stuff. They mechanically work similarly, with both using one’s spiritual/life energy, but they function completely differently. Reiryoku, Curse Energy, and Ki make sense to equalize since they are relatively similar in and function, but something like Reiryoku and Haki doesn’t because they function alike, and if you want to verse equalize, do it with stuff that functions similar rather than mechanically sounding similar at first. For example, stands and devil fruits function more alike than stands and haki.
@@realo3503 stands and haki can be equalized. Armament haki would be able to damage stands just like a stand could damage a stand. Observation haki would allow them to see stands just like a stand user would be able too. And conq haki= A stands ability for instance conq=Time stop
About the Logia thing, they aren't reactive, they are passive abilities, even if you catch them off guard they can still get phased through, the only way Enel got hurt is because a dial stored in pure pain itself and transferred it to him while he was off guard, he has been attacked off guard a lot and it never worked they just got zapped just touching him
no they have to actively turn on the logia powers so attacks phase through: think back to alabsta where luffy gumgum rockets and slams into smoker & ace sending them flying though several buildings
The thing is u don’t understand logia, you explained the mochi mochi fruit you can become mochi that is youre explenation, but logia you are PERMANENTLY the element you need to be a very good fruit user to be able to get hit
Just saying, Franky kinda does alot, like, even if you discount all the individual fights and moments of fighting he does you can't deny the importance of him building the Sunny and literally everything that goes with it that helps the Strawhats and will continue to help them throughout the series
He built the ship. Cool. He doesn't do anything useful after that and can be easily replaced. And I love Franky, but I'm not a shill and I can accept he has been wasted. I swear, you people can't accept your favorite series can make mistakes.
@@kevintanza6968 making the sunny specifically is a HUGE deal. it’s definitely gonna be the greatest ship at the eos. and he later literally takes out a member of the tobi roppo lil bro. and if you actually read and caught up, he’s able to hurt top tiers as well. you just a hater lil bro
@@kevintanza6968 He takes out Senor Pink druing the Dressrosa arc who had the Swim Swim fruit, allowing travel through walls and floors, I'd love to know who you'd think could take someone like that out... minus Zoro but even then Pica had the even stronger stone stone fruit and no one could've taken him out except Zoro at that point, but I digress. Please tell me who could've beaten Senor Pink.
with the Enel fight there is some context you miss Enel has a basic form of observation haki he calls “mantra” that covers the entire island of Skiepia, Jotaro needs to get close to fight but Enel could just espam range attacks util he kills Jotaro remember that in the fight with Sheer Heart Attack Jotaro suffers some mayor damage, so Enel really could kill Jotaro be throwing lightning at a distance
You should consider this video idea again but with a crew of all Jojo protagonists or just with other characters in general. I always enjoy this types of content
Iron body doesn't mean it's as strong as iron, it means it's strengthened the body beyond human limits. And One Piece characters already have a big edge on durabilty and stamina compared to Jojo characters.
I'd love to see a new "Straw Hat Gang" where you replace all the pirates with one Jojo crew, and see if they can take on each respective fight. Crusaders might work, or the Golden Wind crew, but i'd love to see the Morioh Warriors tackle the challenge :3
Polnareff would be so CLUTCH. Chariot is faster than Star Platinum from what we see in the manga and he also has phasing as well as being able to launch Polnareff when needed.
I have actually been mulling over for a long time which team would come out on top, CP9 vs La Squadra. Especially if it's an elimination mission; the in character match up of La Squadra trying to assassinate Spandam in Water 7 while dealing with the cloaked CP9 Agents in their masks. The opportunity for mind games, slowly gathering intel on both sides, and watching simple pieces like Blueno or Pesci getting picked off building towards Metallica vs good ol Leopard Robert. I think it's a really fun topic. Note: if you think that CP9 needs more home field advantage, then playing fortress defense in Enies Lobby would probably be easier for them.
He'd have the AP to hurt them if you take a mid ball jotaro He'd also be insanely faster and have 5 whole seconds to do whatever he wants when he wants
@@cyrus8886 not really, I inferred that because it took DIO getting a blood amp to be able to spam it on the level he did and Jotaro’s never been shown spamming it on that level. Only time he ever got close to spamming it was during the MIH fight in which he used it the most he ever had used TS. Nothing more than a logical deduction really
@@sgtcatnipzzz deduction is worth nothing when it's not supported by canon Dio could spam time stop all the time how do you think he kept trolling Polnareff His blood amp isn't even an amp because that's just his base of Jonathan's body wasn't fighting back Diego in part 7 also uses all the time with no ill effects for how little time he's present
given that stands are the manifestation of one's soul and will , and that jotaro has one of the strongest stands of all time , he would have an insane level of haki . for those caught up in the manga : jotaro would be undefeated until he encounters someone with awakened observation haki
So i remember this topic quite a while ago, but who would win between Muzan and Diavolo? I don't think Diavolo has any way to kill Muzan other than to stall the battle until sunrise. Who would win between these two?
Diavlo out scale to hard for Muzan to do anything with king crimson abilities on top of that Muzan wither get obliterated on the cellular level and such can’t regenerate or two is force to watch unable to do anything until his inevitable death by the sun
In a straight up fight its Muzan. Diavolo is faster and stronger than Muzan with his stand but Diavolo is still human. He's a worse Dio. Time Erase is a worse setup ability than timestop. Sure Diavolo is intangible during the time erase but he can't hit his opponent during it. Thats why Diavolo fights like an assassin. His best shot of winning is making sure his opponent can't retaliate. If they survive the first hit, his chances of winning dramatically decrease. Polnareff could prepare and counter for Diavolo. His stand just wasn't strong enough. Really if the whole crew of Passione were able to survive into the colosseum they could've taken down Diavolo without GER. GER is overkill. That said Muzan only needs one good hit to win the fight and he can endure whatever beatings Diavolo gives him. Diavolo's only chance of survival is evading him with Time Erasure which can be simple with Epitaph. Diavolo can potentially wait until the sun arises. I could say that Muzan is intelligent enough to eventually figure out Diavolo's ability but as someone that finished Demon Slayer. I'm inclined to say no. Guy's too emotional, too full of himself, too cowardly and flat out stupid at times. His subordinates have more battle IQ and just general awareness than he does.
Muzan is massively stronger, and Diavolo is massively faster. The only way Diavolo can win is if he stalls until sunlight, and I think it would be pretty easy for him, considering he has Epitaph and is just faster in every way possible.
Gold Experience Requiem, Wonder of U, Tusk Act 4, and maybe The Hand would've been the most terrifying Stands to appear in One Piece. GER: Your attack never happened Wonder of U: It's a terrible day for rain indeed Tusk Act 4: SPEEN The Hand (If Okoyasu isn't a dumbass): Durability means nothing if your opponent can literally erase you from existence
GER would stalemate most fights tho And how woulf Ta4 deal with logia? I understand WoU and the hand since WoU is quite literally a cosmic law on the same level of physics and the hand can just "Begone", but Ta4 is literally just energy
The fact that Jotaro's dream would probably be finding the all blue makes it reasonable that he wouldn't just be some guy on an island they meet on the way. Giorno would probably want to take down the government or the emperors of the sea. He might join the revolutionary army.
I think people forget how insanely clever jotaro is, I think he would have logia users figured out pretty quickly for the most part, I could probably see him getting at least as far as maybe sky island without much difficulty and even then I think he'd beat Enel
Depending on how much you want to gas Stands, Jotaro could go decently far or not that far. If you give Stands the innate ability to hit souls due to how they can interact with other Stands, Jotaro goes decently far. Otherwise, I can't really see him getting past Crocodile, mostly due to the logia barrier, unless he finds out about the water weakness. Then he loses to maybe Enel due to long range attacks or Moria if he gets his shadow taken. If not Enel or Moria, I can see Sabaody or Impel Down being the hard stop for paradise. As for New World stuff if you think Jotaro clears pre timeskip, again unless you want to gas Stands so much that not even Observation can sense them, most Observation haki users can most likely sense Star Platinum and its movements. Dodging Star Platinum and countering timestop will still be an issue. However I think he stops at Dressrosa. Doffy has too many long range abilities and pseudo-flight, Jotaro being close range is a big issue and even timestop won't be enough. Doffy arguably has even enough durability to survive Star Platinum. Edit: Just finished the vid. Respectable placement. I will say this. Ultimate Kars has the potential to go all the way to the end. Him getting Haki and making it 100x more potent as a baseline is probably good enough.
Jotaro has the speed to dodge crocodiles attacks and if luffys dumbass could figure out water would make crocodile solid, jotaro deffo could. But he deffo loses to enel cuz theres no water and he doesnt have rubber so theres no way to damage enel.
@@goatedknowledge6180he definitely could. jotaro uses strategy and plans like a motherfucker. he would absolutely use blood like luffy did. and tbh there's no real reason to fight against that considering he would instantly get neg diffed in the next arc by enel lol
@@MuttonEraseThere is also the argument that since Haki is the spiritual energy/ Will of the user that Star Platinum can punch Logia users. There is also the con that other haki users can in turn also see Star Platinum and even punch it (don't think it's necessary since Jotaro's an easier target) but that's acceptable for him.
@@MuttonErase jotaro doesnt have the speed to dodge, his stand does. if i shoot a gun does that mean im the speed of sound? do you realise how stupid that sounds? jotaro is still the speed of a normal human
Enel can destroy islands, he was almost going to wipe out both Skypiea and Upper Yard in one shot, also has a 500 million berri bounty and some of the best observation haki
Biggest whif was that you didn't elaborate how Jotaro is a tactician. One of the largest gimmicks of a stand battle is to figure out the users ability (or user themself)to counter it. If Jotaro knows the ability right from the start of a battle that gives him plenty of time to figure out a comprehensive strategy. He can also shoot bullets from his fingers too so I can see most battles going into frozen time and him headshotting them and walking away.
@@gentlemankaiju1997 It really isn't, because its not going faster than time. It would be going as fast as a normal bullet, because time stop doesn't increase the speed of attacks. It's basically that a bullet does more damage to someone standing still than someone moving. Yeah, no, Jotaro is fucked
@@DiegoXRAWonder of U calamity is universal and cross dimension, even if the Door door guy try to follow him with Doors he would trip and break into a million piece
@@taigamer2076 If WOU can do damage anyone anyway then why didn't it killed Gappy while he was sitting . Because Gappy was thinking about defeating him and was an active threat . Why didn't he used calamity to break the chair instead of using rock animals ? Because WOU doesn't have that much control over reality . Also nothing in the manga stated that it can target people from another dementions . Btw if Gappy was fine without moving that means Conqueror Haki users can defeat Toru without lifting a finger . Plus Logia devil fruit users won't be hurt . They can regrow their bodies endlessly . Also there are cyborgs who aren't sentient . They are just machines .
I don't know, I think Stands being a physical manifestation of psychic abilities would be similar to Haki and would mean that a punch with Star Platinum is like being punched with armament haki, which would nullify logia-users' ability to evade damage. Basically, Star Platinum punches are not bludgeoning damage, they are magical force damage.
I love One Piece and Jojo videos Keep in mind, Jotaro is a very tactical fighter than a majority of one piece characters. He could also defeat characters without necesarily having to kill them, similar to how Josuke handled Angelo.
@@worthyedge9307 i mean, its very possible for jotaro to go further considering both Stands and Haki are physical powers based on willpower. Also, Jotaro doesnt weaken from water. So thats a potential tactic right there.
@@worthyedge9307You do realize he can get stronger in One Piece due to it's growth potential Rules being applied Star Platinum is a Secondary Version of Haki in a sense he can get Armament Haki ontop of his Star Platinum and himself. Jotaro would win.
@@Ostr0 that is... kind of a stretch (pun intended actually) I mean by that logic, stands can start being a thing in one piece because jotaro is there and has a stand. Nothing about the original question implies that jotaro gets haki. Its just jotaro as we know him already. Giving him haki and one piece growth is just finding a way to make him win. By that logic, you could bring in plenty of characters who work hard and have a strong will in from other verses and say that they'll just be super powerful.
You’re wrong about loggias (I’m at smoker rn) he doesn’t choose when to do it his body is literally just always smoke. Jotaro still clears but logias are always that element
Logias are whole can of worms with evidence on either side of the argument for if the ability needs to be specifically activated, and the 2 points agaisnt it are Crocodile saying he had to train to be able to reflexively turn and Smoker and Ace getting hit by Luffy's Gum-Gum Rocket (hell Ace even reacted when Smoker was hit), but those are early story events and we know how OP can be a bit inconsistent in terms of powers
a lot of stuff wrong with this video. first off you're completely neglecting to mention one of jotaros most valuable traits: his intelligence, jotaro is extremely good at figuring how an opponents abilities work and is perfectly capable of figuring out how to counter most of them, he also has a high understanding of physics which he can use to achieve a lot in combination with star platinums power and speed (like using friction to light a fire). you're also underestimating star platinums sheer destructive power, star platinum can break diamonds with his fists, which means that star platinum is stronger than casual mihawk who could not damage jozu at marineford, meaning that the steel bodies of franky, kuma or the pacifista aren't an issue for jotaro at all.
No, it's not. Because Mihawk's slash wasn't even intended for Jozu. There's a whole thing about swordsmen learning to cut what they need to and not cut anything else, which is what Zoro is doing. Thats what Mihawk did to Whitebeard, hence why Jozu could block it. Hell, Jotaro isn't winning against Jozu, simply due to Haki defence. He couldn't even destroy a road roller when he needed to, he's fucked
By the way, turning into logia elements is automatic. The only exception is the Mochi Mochi no mi, Or Mochi Mochi Fruit, which technically isn’t a logia but has the same behaviours, since it isn’t a logia the transformation is on reflex and observation haki. Jotaro cant beat logia users unless he has sea stone or armament haki. Technically, they are constantly in their logia form, but just look like a normal person, and their elements don’t react with the environment. But that is possibly a translation issue. Possibly time stop could beat them, but that’s a bit iffy. All in all JJBA and One Piece are both awesome! This comment was made by the Yappatron 3000
On stands vs one piece I would say that Anubis could defeat Mihawk. Might take a few tries but Anubis learns from his mistakes so after enough of his Weilders die to mihawk he would squeeze out the win. Also the sword phasing might surprise mihawk.
Honestly, yeah. With how much Anubis grows in that short amount of time, I say around 15-20 iterations of possessions and he could get Mihawk. Shorter if Anubis possesses a New World tier swordsman. Heck I could argue if Polnareff plus Anubis had the AP they could beat Mihawk simply cause they have the speed already.
@@Deode-d4h in all fairness though you would need wielders that could keep up with Mihawk and there is nothing stopping Mihawk from destroying the sword as he could probably tell that the sword itself is cursed thanks to perception Haki.
@@zacharybreen8891 Doesn't Anubis get a buff in speed and skill after each failed possession. That's how the barber guy was able to almost match Silver Chariot, right?
@@wilfridekoue1405 That's interesting. There's an interesting argument to be made that Zoro can resist Anubis if he treats it like a Cursed sword. If Zoro can use Anubis without getting possessed but keeping the stat boosts it's crazy.
Bro, this buy has logias all wrong. Logia's don't change on reflex, they essentially are the element. You CAN'T hit them without haki, df nullification (water or sea prism), or elemental advantage. This means unless Jotaro has the weakness of that specific user on hand, he will lose by default. Jotaro no diffs smoke if he figures out his weakness is fire, easily no diffs Crocodile with his own blood and sweat (like Luffy did), is no diffed by Enel (no rubber, no opponent to hit), survives Aokigi, is no diffed by Kizaru, and survives Akainu. He can escape Aokigi and Akainu, but Enel and Kizaru would kick his ass left right and center. Every other character that doesn't have a logia gets no diffed. Edit: I don't know why the estimates of Star Platinum's power are so low. Jotaro is not lacking in speed or power. Any physical object that tries to hit him is not making it to him and Star Platinum is at least strong enough to break metal. Observation haki doesn't do crap if you can't see the attack that will hit either. Jotaro can't fight many logias, but he no diffs almost everything else (short of energy attacks and borderline indestructible objects).
Big advantage: stands are invisible Big disadvantage: Jotaro doesn't have haki. Maybe he could learn, maybe not Also, I think Jotaro would defeat crocodile fairly easy even without superspeed and timestop, because the moment Crocodile thinks Jotaro is too injured/exhausted to keep fighting and starts absorbing water, Jotaro will deliver a surprise powerful ora and break his neck since Croco can't turn into sand while absorbing moisture. Enel however, is a different matter entirely. To defeat him, Jotaro would need to stop time and within 5 seconds find something that counters Enel's logia type and beat Enel with it to the point that Enel can't get back up- otherwise, Enel's power is easily enought to kill Jotaro, as in terms of superhuman endurance he isn't really anywhere above characters like Sanji or Zoro who Enel can easily oneshot. Oh, and Rob Lucci loses easily for 2 reasons: 1. Rob can't use Tekkai in timestop 2. Rob can't see Star Platinum
Jotaro, even with Star Platinum: The World, can only do so much. It’s only a matter of time until he’s defeated or killed. Johnny Joestar might have a higher chance of surviving though, even if he’s not main universe Jojo
@@literallyrohanHe does not “solo” One Piece💀. I’m a fan of JoJo myself but I know damn well he doesn’t solo One Piece especially with all the ridiculous powers that are involved and smart devil fruit users.
Imagine if there was an arc where Luffy learns how to make a Stand or Susano'o using all three kinds of Haki at once. If it's true that Dragon has a wind based Devil Fruit power, I could see it being exclusive to him until Luffy sees and replicates it in Gear 5.
I’ll be honest- in a straight gauntlet w/ no what-if theory crafting a scenario where Jotaro is part of the Strawhats & thus having opportunities to train/meld power systems; I did not see Jotaro making it *to* Skypeia. Big ups to my mans, I should’ve had more faith
I made a post once on an OP subreddit about which of the eight JoJos from completed parts would be the best fit for the Straw Hat crew; maybe that's an idea. If the JoJos all formed a Pirate Crew, what roles would they play? Who would be the captain, the first mate, the navigator, etc.? For context, I think we all collectively decided the best JoJo to join the Straw Hats was Gappy, and not just because he dresses like a sailor.
I have to disagree with enel. Enel would see jotaro attempting to attack him and he’d kill him in one shot. After all jotaro himself is still a normal person’s speed just with amazing reaction time
@@Jsipki265 star platinum isn’t just an invincible shield that can guard from all angles plus enel could literally destroy a small country, there’s no world where jotaro wins this fight unless they start face to face and jotaro immediately knows to use time stop
I would say Jotaro might actually unintentionally develop Haki on his journey. In order to control a Stand, one has to have a pretty strong mental strength and Jotaro has one of the most robust mental strengths in Jojo. I would easily say he learns armament on accident. I think Observation may take longer though.
What would happen if perfect Kars was in one piece? I think he would solo because he would learn every technique in one glance because of his intelligence
For Foxy I feel that there should be a bit of drama added. When Jotaro is hit with slow-slow beam, all it really does to him is just make Jotaro or at least his Stand move at a normal human being speed for his punches. Or you know Jotaro is just so dang fast with his fists that Foxy be like "Nani?!" and it doesn't affect Jotaro and his stand at all. Stardust Crusador music plays; Foxy begs for mercy, roll credits.
He is not surviving long, he doesn’t have haki, he stand range isn’t long, his time stop range aint that far, his time stop doesn’t last long and we all knows the affect of Jotaro using timestop alot
He can learn haki... If he's just dropped into the verse he will eventually learn Haki... Stand range is made up for in Part 4 (ball bearing go brr), TS doesnt have "Range", and 5 seconds is enough to ora ora almost anyone
@@Ammiad time stop does have a range like what??? Its not a literal global time stamp even dio hand explained time stop has a range. Plus it doesn’t matter if Jotaro learned haki blud is not beating kizaru, akinu, white beard, doffy, gekko, kaido, big mom, rob lucci, ceasar cracker, katakuri, enel/full power etc
@@ThaTrueCoco how tf would it not be global? It would have to be global otherwise a lot of problems arise: why would TS not be global but MiH be global? What happens if someone moves into the time stop's range _after_ it was already activated? Does the time stop's range update when DIO/Jotaro move? If not, what happens if they run outside of it while it's still active? There's too many issues for it not to be global
@@Ammiad its not global because during the fight of dio and jotaro it was a point in battle where jotaro was trying to flee away from dio to escape the range of his timestop but dio caught up to him. Made in heaven is global cause the mf can quite literally speed up and move at infinite speed meaning bro can quite literally travel across earth a infinite amount of times. Plus you have to look at star platinum range stats its a C which is NOT GOOD even when he learns bearing shot his range still isn’t all that good cause his and dio stand is not a range stands there close range, plus time stop is a skill that only freeze things around jotaro. Also if anyone one or thing walks in it they are indeed frozen in time kinda like silver chariot requiem his range is not world wild but once you are within his range you will be affected there only like 2 or 3 stands to my knowledge that can genuinely affect the entire planet.
@@Ammiad if the time stop is use and people are in it there is no running out unless they have a stand ability that can by pass it such ass GER, made in heaven, Tusk etc
Probably not. He has no way of dealing w logia users and without timestop most characters are way faster and have better durability to withstand star platinum. Especially luffy cause blunt force is way less effective on him.
@@josephrogers3666actually no most top tier characters in OP are way faster than he is and also some of them have the power to predict the future at their disposal.
this man just got into the op community and he's already cooking this much, cant say its good yet, though also, a bit of divergence with the parameters, cause from what I've seen in the op community, usually kizaru is not considered to be at actual light speed, maybe when he uses the ability where he cant see where he goes, but even then its questionable, though scalling him to be at continent level is consistent with the consensus
Assuming people like Smoker and Crocodile have any intel whatsoever on Jotaro, it would end there. They have the option to simply always remain in their logia forms. At which point, no amount of speed or time stop would be able to touch them. If you wanted to go even earlier, Jango might be able to do something with his hypnotism, and Mrs Golden Week could do something with her colors. As far as I'm aware, Jotaro has no resistance to mind hax. On that same front, Don Krieg uses poison gas. Assuming he gets that off before Jotaro hits him, it could spell trouble. Though, that one's easily countered by Star Platinum inhalation. Basically, in terms of raw stats, Jotaro gets as far as you say, but there are people as early as Syrup Village that have useable options against him, even if they're unlikely.
jotaro can inhale smoker and if crocodile stays in logia form then he cant defeat jotaro, also his stand is invisible so how could crocodile know whats happening from the start
@@charlsowy1494 "Hmm. A man in chains and a cap fused to his scalp is instakilling all of my men. If I see him, I better just stay in my logia form." Something like that. Also, can Jotaro inhale Smoker? As far as I'm aware, logias can just keep producing their element forever.
@@ClashBluelight if smoker turns into his element in front of jotaro his stand can prob inhale him, but if he does it before jotaro can find him then doesnt that just mean he wont need to fight?
@@charlsowy1494 Honestly, this is one of those unknowns. It's impossible to know if Jotaro has any means whatsoever to defeat a logia user who simply keeps their defense up.
Now you got me wondering if there are any Jojos that can make it further. For example I bet young Joseph could have easier times than Jotaro with some logias due to his insane intelligence. I can easily see him figuring out Crocodile’s water weakness and Enel’s rubber weakness.
10:14 luffy beat crocodile because crocodile has the sand logia. Logia type fruits have weaknesses due to there element.(like luffy being made of rubber can counter enel completely). So sand is weak to moisture because it makes sand clump up. Luffy literally uses his blood to make his hands wet and hit crocodile.
I don't think time stop could be used to beat a logia devil fruit user. They don't reflexively turn into their element, they disperse on reflex to avoid the hit. At one point, someone used some sort of tech to hit a logia, and they successfully hit them, but they just reformed.
Bruh, seastone exists in OP. Which is a direct natural counter against DF users. If Jotaro finds out the weakness he'd not hesitate to use it in a fight or to finish a fight nefore it even starts and with time stop, most fight ends the moment he identifies you as a threat.
@@Sunkcostfallecy keep in mind that seastone is only available to the marines and in Wano so unless Jotaro joins the navy or reaches Wano, seastoen isn't an option
@@godelemender8009 If Luffy can break into a Navy base, rescue Zoro and steal the map to the Grand line in episode 2, i think Jotaro can walk in and steal some seastone handcuffs in his sleep. Remember that Star Platinum(subconsciously Jotaro) was bringing Jotaro stuff when he locked himself in jail and he thought he was possessed by a ghost.
I feel like at some point stands and haki would interact. Both being derived from willpower. If jotaro learns haki. jotaro would be quite versatile. Also he’s has one of the strongest stands in his verse so he’ll likely have really strong haki.
Jotaro wouldn’t even care about being king of the pirates, he’d just want to study the sea creatures 😂
Imagine Sanji telling him about the all blue
@@the120cxx Jotaro would either be really skeptical about it, or very interested in it 😂
@@frozenburrito2.087 Knowing Jotaro, maybe both. He knows how to hang out with people like Sanji.
Ocean Man
@@johnhowardcomedy6247 take me by the hand to a different land
"So it's the same type of stand as star platinum"
And then he finds the one piece.
But Luffy can get much higher because of the one piece is real!🗿
@@srbryanb5491
So high
Star platinum transforms into laughtale eternal logpose
It's the same type of fruit teach.
So its the same type of fruit as Star Platinum
Jotaro can swim 🗿
You're cooking real good my fellow
but he would probably die trying to fuck a sea king
Bear hug and a swan dive. the ultimate combo against any fruit user lol
jotaro hide in water
Jotaro underwater using *star finger* to 😈👉👌 Luffy
Ah yes, the fabled "Ora-Ora" fruit has finally been discovered.
Ora Ora no Mi actually sounds like a legitimate fruits
Nah but he can still swim tho
@@schizophreniagaming1187 But what would you call it if you were to translate it into English? For example, Gomu Gomu no Mi => Gum Gum Fruit.
@@ThePapermario24 stand stand fruit
@@haol755 We have the one fruit that gives you a genie so that already exists
"Damn, this mf can stop time? I better stay my ass in this office!"
Fraudkainu reference spotted
All memes aside, Jotaro can't do anything against a Logia
@@JThePervertedSummoner That's just stupid Powerscaling. Powerscaling is quite literally about substituting things from 1 series to another to try to fairly compare 2 characters. If you actually understood powerscaling, you would realize that both Haki and Stands are manifestations of the will/spirit of the user, and that you would need to substitute one and the other to have a fair powerscale.
@@crock3251 That's how it works though. If you want to make the argument where one power in a series is the equivalent of another in a different series, then by default all OP characters who can use Haki can see Stands
@@JThePervertedSummoner I don't believe I ever stated that Haki users can't see stands? I was counter-arguing your point, for there was no reason to go even further than just substituting Haki and Stands.
One thing i'd like to clear up is that a logia user does not need to manually dodge unless the attack includes haki. If it is a physical attack without haki, it will act as if you hit whatever element they are made out of. With haki, it will hit their main body and you need to use haki of equal strength to counteract it, or manually dodge it. This is why people with haki can easily hit logia users, because they never had to manually dodge attacks so when they are forced to do so they don't have the skill required.
A lot of people make the misconception that a logia user consciously have to dodge but they don’t they are made of there element and will break apart on contact whether time stops or speed regardless.
@@josephalli2086 The Alabasta scene with Smoker and Ace does muddy waters, but I think where we are now it's pretty set that logia intangibility is just a passive thing. Like genuinely we never see this blitzing a logia user before they even consciously think about being their element.
That said, Jotaro can just run or learn Haki, since it's willpower based, it should be easy enough for him
that can't be the case because that would make them literally unable to interact with the world and they would have all died of dehydration
van angur tried to snipe ace while he wasn't paying attention, and it just went through him ,so yeah idk how jotaro would realistically get through this auto dodging basically 😂😂😂
Kuma weaponizing his own pain would be horrifying. When Kaleb gets there, he’ll know why. Legit top 3 saddest backstories so far.
kuma can win any fight by just making his opponent depressed
Fishman Island is past the "Nothing Happened" scene, so he probably has some idea
@@mermaid_hina2713 kuma's backstory isn't until Egghead
@@mermaid_hina2713for context, egghead is the chapter we're on right now
If Kuma sent his own pain at jotaro, i'm 99% sure he'd flat out die because that man has gone THROUGH it.
If Diavolo appears out of nowhere and becomes Goku’s meat shield this is canon. Plus Diavolo really wouldn’t suffer anything due to death loop
@@dylantokweijie9829dumbass
diavolo's pain bubble would go crazy 💀
@@helpme9746 at that point whoever got hit with like .5th of a percent of that would just vanish 💀
@@helpme9746 wait i havent finish part 5 he is a pyscho he doesnt feel pain he is a maniac
Jotaro watching the One Piece episode list: "No way in Hell I'm gonna get myself in this crusade" 🤬
Know that Jojo has more chapters than one piece 😂. I'd rather watch one piece all life than JoJo one time.
@@BlackWolf_BW7 And Baki has more chapters than Jojo as a matter of fact
@@wilfridekoue1405 so what. I'd rather watch one piece than JoJo. And who even said anything about Baki? 😂
@@wilfridekoue1405 JoJo fans trying hard not to make me laugh difficulty: Insane
@@BlackWolf_BW7 🤣 Just stating the fact is all
Ngl Fishman Island is a set-up arc. Just stay patient and let it cook
It is not a set up arc at all. What are you saying lol
@@MineShackle wanna talk about the poneglyphs at the end of the arc? That first mentioned a very relevant character to current manga chapters? Or actually the poneglyphs in general? Or how about the entire arc building up to Whole Cake Island?
So is pink hazard
@@r4v134I hear what your saying and sure it sets up a lot, but that doesn’t mean it’s a set up arc. It has many many things that allow it to stand on its own. Just because it sets things up doesn’t mean that’s all it is.
With that logic you could damn near say every arc is a set up arc
@@r4v134 the entire arc is actually a payoff to themes and ideas set up in both Arlong Park and Sabaody. Just because it has set ups IN the arc doesn’t make it a set up arc
You forgot Aokiji Before Water 7. Which means Jotaro actually stop in Long Ring Long Land 💀
Aokiji was only there for Robin, I don’t think he’d care for Jotaro that much including the fact that he really didn’t care for the other Strawhats that much during then
@@jxpk1573Since Jotaro is in the place of Luffy then he’d have to fight Aokiji like Luffy did.
Kuzan no diffs 💀
What makes this so ironic is that Aokiji is voiced by Takehito Koyasu , who also voices Dio
Time stop + one shot... Jotaro beats Aokiji
Haki is a manifestation of the spiritual energy/will of the user, just like stands.
So a stand should be able to touch logia users.
Edit: As one guy pointed out in the responses, it should also work in the other way. People with haki should be able to touch and see stands, with armament and observation respectively.
And vice versa, for consistency
@@Aaa-vp6ug ah yeah, didn't even think about that
armament haki should be able to touch stands and observation haki should be able to see stands
You make a sound argument.
Actual good argument, a good change of pace for power scalers
Jotaro would def have haki
Jotaro losing to White snake, a rat, and a baby. Also jotaro mid diffing a pure electric man 🗿
Anyway you Lowkey downplayed Alot of one piece it's alright tho it happens. Moon walk is described as making mini sonic booms under there feet from there heel kicks.
Enel was going to destroy the entire island of Skypieia with his storm attack, along with him having mantra (observation haki)
Crocodile has a weakness to liquid which is why Luffy won(you could have jotaro doing the same)
That's why JJBA is unique. An ability that you get doesn't mean it's op but it can be very versatile if u use it wisely.
@@czms922 also there are multiple points in the series where logia users are not aware of an attack and their logia abilities save them. for example ace in the ace novel where he sets his hat on fire after eating the fruit because he didnt know it was a devil fruit, crocodile getting cut off by luffys punch with his eyes closed but the logia effect still saves him. and sabo also setting stuff on fire because he couldnt control his ability.
A rat?? Shanks we found your #1 easiest opponent
@@Orizln tech Crocodile trained himself to dodge subconsciously, not Logia effect per se.
Karakuri has yall confused on how logias work
Katakuri isn't even logia lol
@@worthyedge9307 that's the point
He hasn't even gotten to whole cake yet. He doesn't know who that is.
@@worthyedge9307 He kinda is; Mochi-Mochi is a Special Type Paramecia because it is both in the Paramecia Category but also in the Logia Category.
Logia users can produce an infinite amount of their element. In more than 1100 chapters of One Piece, there's never been a case of a logia user "running out" of their element. So, there's literally no way Jotaro would beat Smoker by "inhaling all of his smoke"
exactly if anything jotaro would just suffocate himself trying that
Ya, plus even time stop doesn’t do much, he still can’t touch them
stands still act like Armament Haki because of definition of armanent haki. Armanent Haki is spiritual manifestation. Also, maybe that meant haki users can see stands? but still you cant react if time is stopped. Jotaro still wins
@@ilijaorbovic2531 stands are not haki
@@KingNerdius both are spiritual manifestation so stands ACT like haki. That mean star platinum can hurt logia users
Jotaro can become an OP marine biologist bragging that everything is the same type of devil fruit as Star Platinum
I really like these videos of placing Jojo characters in another universe and seeing how they stack up.
This was a great watch.
Its great but Kaleb IA highballs the shit out of jojo characters. Realistically most of them are building level and below with only some being higher
@@vongolatx4828 ap and total strengtrh are way different jotaro couldnt destroy a continent but could beat someone with continental ap, speed + abilites + iq are also really important in fights
@@rxquiems9008 no he can't.
@@vongolatx4828 yes
@@vongolatx4828 it was an example but chances are hax + speed could make him beat one
This was a great video! Respectful to both franchises and thorough.
But to add:
A) As some people mentioned. And does come up in Vs debates - Logia users are passive. They don’t need to react in order to phase through attacks, it just happens.
B) Luffy didn’t have Observation before the timeskip, he was just that superhuman to react to Kuro, Bellamy, etc.
C) Post-timeskip OP power ceiling goes CRAZY. Without spoiling you - Haki is a wild system.
12:52
As a one piece scaler, Enel should scale to the attack that was going to destroy the entirety of Skypiea, or island level. This is because he is the powersource of said attack, he just needed the machine to cover a larger area. So, while he could destroy an island, he has the AP, not the DC to do so.
By that point Jotaro would be able to blitz but not to damage. Luffy also scales to that level as he dispelled the same attack with a punch.
I would argue that Enel should be somewhat below island level as he destroyed Skypea, an island made of Island Cloud, and Ganfall states that Vearth/Earth IS stronger than Island Cloud after he witnesses Enel destroy Skypea
@@AlexT7916 Yeah, but there's also the fact that said clouds are also mentioned to be made out of Sea stone, which is already stronger than most metals.
I feel like stands and haki measure up pretty well in terms of what they stand for. Haki is will infused into people's fists/weapons, and stands are fighting will. I think they would interact in some way lol
Isnt it said that those with weak will usually die from stands or stand arrows like Holly or Masazo Kinoto?
@@Brabbs yeah ... don't know who masazo is lol
but I'm pretty sure the only reason holly was gonna die was because of dio cause ... it's jojo, dio's the root cause of like 95% of the problems there
@@kingme1313 masazo is the user of Cheap Trick. An old man died from a weak will from the arrow in part 5.
@@Brabbs oh right ... well that seems like a portion of the stand's ability itself, because that was masazo's personality
They should be comparable as they are basically manifestations of the same thing
Kaleb you got one thing wrong
Logia users don’t reflexively change to that element, they ARE made of that element. There are multiple example in the series where logia users get caught off guard but are still undamaged. They are kind of like stands in the fact that they can only get hurt one of two ways
1: Another logia who naturally counters their element (a la Eneru and Luffy)
2: Armament Haki
Yea but Armament Haki is manifestation of spirit as a defence that can hurt logia, and guess what stands are, just that. So stand act like haki
@@ilijaorbovic2531 stop treating ever anime powersystem the same. whenever we see a stand for example Star Platinum punch people. there souls aren't hurt at all.
When Avdol is kill by Vanilla Ice his soul isn't erased. or when Jotaro and Josuke fought the stand made out of water/steam their physicall attacks did no damage at all.
@@joelwilness849it’s called verse equalization, you have to equalize power systems in fights to make it an actual fight. Like Cursed energy=Haki
@@xenobreyden That’s the thing; some of the stuff you equalize doesn’t make sense when you try, especially for more complex stuff. They mechanically work similarly, with both using one’s spiritual/life energy, but they function completely differently. Reiryoku, Curse Energy, and Ki make sense to equalize since they are relatively similar in and function, but something like Reiryoku and Haki doesn’t because they function alike, and if you want to verse equalize, do it with stuff that functions similar rather than mechanically sounding similar at first. For example, stands and devil fruits function more alike than stands and haki.
@@realo3503 stands and haki can be equalized. Armament haki would be able to damage stands just like a stand could damage a stand. Observation haki would allow them to see stands just like a stand user would be able too. And conq haki= A stands ability for instance conq=Time stop
About the Logia thing, they aren't reactive, they are passive abilities, even if you catch them off guard they can still get phased through, the only way Enel got hurt is because a dial stored in pure pain itself and transferred it to him while he was off guard, he has been attacked off guard a lot and it never worked they just got zapped just touching him
cant react to something you cant see ☠
no they have to actively turn on the logia powers so attacks phase through: think back to alabsta where luffy gumgum rockets and slams into smoker & ace sending them flying though several buildings
You know that was purely for a gag, right? @@y0ungApeks
@@y0ungApeksthat was a gag
the answer is simple. Jotaros seriousness cant survive the op stupidity
The thing is u don’t understand logia, you explained the mochi mochi fruit you can become mochi that is youre explenation, but logia you are PERMANENTLY the element you need to be a very good fruit user to be able to get hit
Just saying, Franky kinda does alot, like, even if you discount all the individual fights and moments of fighting he does you can't deny the importance of him building the Sunny and literally everything that goes with it that helps the Strawhats and will continue to help them throughout the series
literally. they would’ve been dead at so many points if it wasn’t for coup de burst
He built the ship. Cool. He doesn't do anything useful after that and can be easily replaced. And I love Franky, but I'm not a shill and I can accept he has been wasted.
I swear, you people can't accept your favorite series can make mistakes.
@@kevintanza6968 making the sunny specifically is a HUGE deal. it’s definitely gonna be the greatest ship at the eos. and he later literally takes out a member of the tobi roppo lil bro. and if you actually read and caught up, he’s able to hurt top tiers as well. you just a hater lil bro
@@kevintanza6968 He takes out Senor Pink druing the Dressrosa arc who had the Swim Swim fruit, allowing travel through walls and floors, I'd love to know who you'd think could take someone like that out... minus Zoro but even then Pica had the even stronger stone stone fruit and no one could've taken him out except Zoro at that point, but I digress. Please tell me who could've beaten Senor Pink.
with the Enel fight there is some context you miss
Enel has a basic form of observation haki he calls “mantra” that covers the entire island of Skiepia, Jotaro needs to get close to fight but Enel could just espam range attacks util he kills Jotaro
remember that in the fight with Sheer Heart Attack Jotaro suffers some mayor damage, so Enel really could kill Jotaro be throwing lightning at a distance
You should consider this video idea again but with a crew of all Jojo protagonists or just with other characters in general. I always enjoy this types of content
jotaro broke *thick layers* of teeth that are said to be *as hard as diamond* , theres no way jotaro struggles on an iron body
Gues what, Diamond isn't durable to blunt force. It's just hard to scratch. Him being able to punch diamond teeth doesn't say much.
I could break diamond too LMAO that’s weak as fuck
@@Wezlii530I know you ain't denting a diamond wall ☠
@@Wezlii530Niqqa you ain't never punched a diamond wall in yo life😂, you hand would break from just punching it
Iron body doesn't mean it's as strong as iron, it means it's strengthened the body beyond human limits. And One Piece characters already have a big edge on durabilty and stamina compared to Jojo characters.
“So it’s the same type of devil fruit as star platinum”
14:20 foxys fruit if used before or during jotaro using time stop, it would create a time prison for a while for jotaro
The Stando Power Is Real!!!
he stops at smoker, crocodile if he's lucky
No?
Kars vs Kaido is deserving of a Video, the definition of built different.
He hasn't got that far yet😭
Realistically, couldn't Kars just copy Kaidos zoan dragon and perfect it?
@@zamuda3852 even if he cant copy kaido, he can copy wonder of u
@@zamuda3852Kars could just absorb Kaidou too lol
Kaido would literally crumple Kars like a can of beer.
I just realised this man hasn't trained martial arts a day in his life. Just bulk up and live MODERATELY healthy.
Bro a little bit of Kuma's pain would kill basically anyone 💀
I'd love to see a new "Straw Hat Gang" where you replace all the pirates with one Jojo crew, and see if they can take on each respective fight. Crusaders might work, or the Golden Wind crew, but i'd love to see the Morioh Warriors tackle the challenge :3
Polnareff would be so CLUTCH. Chariot is faster than Star Platinum from what we see in the manga and he also has phasing as well as being able to launch Polnareff when needed.
Im currently crusading in my toilet while watching this
I have actually been mulling over for a long time which team would come out on top, CP9 vs La Squadra.
Especially if it's an elimination mission; the in character match up of La Squadra trying to assassinate Spandam in Water 7 while dealing with the cloaked CP9 Agents in their masks. The opportunity for mind games, slowly gathering intel on both sides, and watching simple pieces like Blueno or Pesci getting picked off building towards Metallica vs good ol Leopard Robert.
I think it's a really fun topic.
Note: if you think that CP9 needs more home field advantage, then playing fortress defense in Enies Lobby would probably be easier for them.
What I'm wondering is how far would Jotaro go in HxH. Jotaro have the speed but lacks the destructive capabilities of lets say Netero
He'd have the AP to hurt them if you take a mid ball jotaro
He'd also be insanely faster and have 5 whole seconds to do whatever he wants when he wants
@@cyrus8886it does have a cooldown and requires an immense amount of Jotaro’s energy to activate, but yeah, almost whenever he wants
@@sgtcatnipzzzthat is fanfiction level fandom speculation
It's literally never mentioned in canon
@@cyrus8886 not really, I inferred that because it took DIO getting a blood amp to be able to spam it on the level he did and Jotaro’s never been shown spamming it on that level. Only time he ever got close to spamming it was during the MIH fight in which he used it the most he ever had used TS. Nothing more than a logical deduction really
@@sgtcatnipzzz deduction is worth nothing when it's not supported by canon
Dio could spam time stop all the time how do you think he kept trolling Polnareff
His blood amp isn't even an amp because that's just his base of Jonathan's body wasn't fighting back
Diego in part 7 also uses all the time with no ill effects for how little time he's present
given that stands are the manifestation of one's soul and will , and that jotaro has one of the strongest stands of all time , he would have an insane level of haki .
for those caught up in the manga :
jotaro would be undefeated until he encounters someone with awakened observation haki
So i remember this topic quite a while ago, but who would win between Muzan and Diavolo? I don't think Diavolo has any way to kill Muzan other than to stall the battle until sunrise. Who would win between these two?
Probably muzan
Simply because of regeneration
Diavlo out scale to hard for Muzan to do anything with king crimson abilities on top of that Muzan wither get obliterated on the cellular level and such can’t regenerate or two is force to watch unable to do anything until his inevitable death by the sun
Diavolo is way stronger lol but muzan has regen so it depends on
In a straight up fight its Muzan. Diavolo is faster and stronger than Muzan with his stand but Diavolo is still human. He's a worse Dio. Time Erase is a worse setup ability than timestop. Sure Diavolo is intangible during the time erase but he can't hit his opponent during it. Thats why Diavolo fights like an assassin. His best shot of winning is making sure his opponent can't retaliate. If they survive the first hit, his chances of winning dramatically decrease. Polnareff could prepare and counter for Diavolo. His stand just wasn't strong enough. Really if the whole crew of Passione were able to survive into the colosseum they could've taken down Diavolo without GER. GER is overkill.
That said Muzan only needs one good hit to win the fight and he can endure whatever beatings Diavolo gives him. Diavolo's only chance of survival is evading him with Time Erasure which can be simple with Epitaph. Diavolo can potentially wait until the sun arises. I could say that Muzan is intelligent enough to eventually figure out Diavolo's ability but as someone that finished Demon Slayer. I'm inclined to say no. Guy's too emotional, too full of himself, too cowardly and flat out stupid at times. His subordinates have more battle IQ and just general awareness than he does.
Muzan is massively stronger, and Diavolo is massively faster. The only way Diavolo can win is if he stalls until sunlight, and I think it would be pretty easy for him, considering he has Epitaph and is just faster in every way possible.
*Jotaro encountering haki users:
So it is the same type of power as Hamon
Gold Experience Requiem, Wonder of U, Tusk Act 4, and maybe The Hand would've been the most terrifying Stands to appear in One Piece.
GER: Your attack never happened
Wonder of U: It's a terrible day for rain indeed
Tusk Act 4: SPEEN
The Hand (If Okoyasu isn't a dumbass): Durability means nothing if your opponent can literally erase you from existence
GER would stalemate most fights tho
And how woulf Ta4 deal with logia? I understand WoU and the hand since WoU is quite literally a cosmic law on the same level of physics and the hand can just "Begone", but Ta4 is literally just energy
@@Ammiadjjba logic is that "Pure infinite rotation energy can't be stop" ye seriously
@@azysm880 can't be stopped =/= always hits tho, it could just straight up go through the logia user
How about S&W Go Beyond? Would an attack to bypass logic can damage a logia user?
@@Ammiad Tusk Act 4 will literally cause their target to constantly spin until they no longer exist, and the only person who can stop it is Tusk Act 4
Imagining Jotaro in One Piece is hilarious because of how serious Jotaro is.
bro logias don't have to know an attacks coming to be unable to be hit
The fact that Jotaro's dream would probably be finding the all blue makes it reasonable that he wouldn't just be some guy on an island they meet on the way.
Giorno would probably want to take down the government or the emperors of the sea. He might join the revolutionary army.
Oh, Oda himself has admitted the way Luffy could hit Crocodile with blood was a bit of a reach.
I think people forget how insanely clever jotaro is, I think he would have logia users figured out pretty quickly for the most part, I could probably see him getting at least as far as maybe sky island without much difficulty and even then I think he'd beat Enel
Depending on how much you want to gas Stands, Jotaro could go decently far or not that far. If you give Stands the innate ability to hit souls due to how they can interact with other Stands, Jotaro goes decently far. Otherwise, I can't really see him getting past Crocodile, mostly due to the logia barrier, unless he finds out about the water weakness. Then he loses to maybe Enel due to long range attacks or Moria if he gets his shadow taken. If not Enel or Moria, I can see Sabaody or Impel Down being the hard stop for paradise.
As for New World stuff if you think Jotaro clears pre timeskip, again unless you want to gas Stands so much that not even Observation can sense them, most Observation haki users can most likely sense Star Platinum and its movements. Dodging Star Platinum and countering timestop will still be an issue. However I think he stops at Dressrosa. Doffy has too many long range abilities and pseudo-flight, Jotaro being close range is a big issue and even timestop won't be enough. Doffy arguably has even enough durability to survive Star Platinum.
Edit: Just finished the vid. Respectable placement. I will say this. Ultimate Kars has the potential to go all the way to the end. Him getting Haki and making it 100x more potent as a baseline is probably good enough.
Jotaro has the speed to dodge crocodiles attacks and if luffys dumbass could figure out water would make crocodile solid, jotaro deffo could.
But he deffo loses to enel cuz theres no water and he doesnt have rubber so theres no way to damage enel.
He doesn’t make it past crocodile.
@@goatedknowledge6180he definitely could. jotaro uses strategy and plans like a motherfucker. he would absolutely use blood like luffy did. and tbh there's no real reason to fight against that considering he would instantly get neg diffed in the next arc by enel lol
@@MuttonEraseThere is also the argument that since Haki is the spiritual energy/ Will of the user that Star Platinum can punch Logia users. There is also the con that other haki users can in turn also see Star Platinum and even punch it (don't think it's necessary since Jotaro's an easier target) but that's acceptable for him.
@@MuttonErase jotaro doesnt have the speed to dodge, his stand does. if i shoot a gun does that mean im the speed of sound? do you realise how stupid that sounds? jotaro is still the speed of a normal human
Enel can destroy islands, he was almost going to wipe out both Skypiea and Upper Yard in one shot, also has a 500 million berri bounty and some of the best observation haki
0:22 To answer the question, yes ToG is the GOAT
Foxy vs Jotero would be hilarious, and well worth the watch.
mf gonna try to slow star platinum punch
Biggest whif was that you didn't elaborate how Jotaro is a tactician. One of the largest gimmicks of a stand battle is to figure out the users ability (or user themself)to counter it. If Jotaro knows the ability right from the start of a battle that gives him plenty of time to figure out a comprehensive strategy. He can also shoot bullets from his fingers too so I can see most battles going into frozen time and him headshotting them and walking away.
buggy tanked a canon, arlong is a fishman there stated to be 10x stronger than human from birth luffy
@@Mazdha A bullet going faster then time is a hard concept to perceive but I'm sure it's a little stronger then a canon.
@@gentlemankaiju1997 It really isn't, because its not going faster than time. It would be going as fast as a normal bullet, because time stop doesn't increase the speed of attacks. It's basically that a bullet does more damage to someone standing still than someone moving. Yeah, no, Jotaro is fucked
Jotaro- "its the same type of devil fruit teach"
Honestly I bet jotaro would just have conquerors haki. And if he found a good fruit he'd probably just use platinum to carry himself through water.
Do "Could Jotaro Kujo Survive Adventure Time" next. The AT and OP verses have a similar level of power.
Id love to see this video remade once youve caught up past wano
Wonder of u: Wanna see me speed running the whole one piece in one go?
*Wanna see me do it again?*
There is literally no evidence that can prove WOU solos the One Piece verse
@@DiegoXRAWonder of U calamity is universal and cross dimension, even if the Door door guy try to follow him with Doors he would trip and break into a million piece
@@taigamer2076 If WOU can do damage anyone anyway then why didn't it killed Gappy while he was sitting . Because Gappy was thinking about defeating him and was an active threat . Why didn't he used calamity to break the chair instead of using rock animals ? Because WOU doesn't have that much control over reality . Also nothing in the manga stated that it can target people from another dementions .
Btw if Gappy was fine without moving that means Conqueror Haki users can defeat Toru without lifting a finger . Plus Logia devil fruit users won't be hurt . They can regrow their bodies endlessly . Also there are cyborgs who aren't sentient . They are just machines .
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@@DiegoXRAbecouse Gappys whole existance defines logic and the flow of calamity, that's is literally how Go Beyond works.
I don't know, I think Stands being a physical manifestation of psychic abilities would be similar to Haki and would mean that a punch with Star Platinum is like being punched with armament haki, which would nullify logia-users' ability to evade damage. Basically, Star Platinum punches are not bludgeoning damage, they are magical force damage.
i love this concept
Jotaro has one more ability, " so its the same type of stand as star platinum"
I love One Piece and Jojo videos
Keep in mind, Jotaro is a very tactical fighter than a majority of one piece characters.
He could also defeat characters without necesarily having to kill them, similar to how Josuke handled Angelo.
that being said, i kinda doubt he's getting that far.. Lots of one piece characters scale too high for jotaro to just be tactical about it for his win
@@worthyedge9307 i mean, its very possible for jotaro to go further considering both Stands and Haki are physical powers based on willpower.
Also, Jotaro doesnt weaken from water. So thats a potential tactic right there.
@@BrabbsLot's of top tiers in OP aren't even DF users
@@worthyedge9307You do realize he can get stronger in One Piece due to it's growth potential Rules being applied Star Platinum is a Secondary Version of Haki in a sense he can get Armament Haki ontop of his Star Platinum and himself. Jotaro would win.
@@Ostr0 that is... kind of a stretch (pun intended actually)
I mean by that logic, stands can start being a thing in one piece because jotaro is there and has a stand.
Nothing about the original question implies that jotaro gets haki. Its just jotaro as we know him already. Giving him haki and one piece growth is just finding a way to make him win.
By that logic, you could bring in plenty of characters who work hard and have a strong will in from other verses and say that they'll just be super powerful.
So glad to hear you’re finally reading tower of god
You’re wrong about loggias (I’m at smoker rn) he doesn’t choose when to do it his body is literally just always smoke. Jotaro still clears but logias are always that element
Logias are whole can of worms with evidence on either side of the argument for if the ability needs to be specifically activated, and the 2 points agaisnt it are Crocodile saying he had to train to be able to reflexively turn and Smoker and Ace getting hit by Luffy's Gum-Gum Rocket (hell Ace even reacted when Smoker was hit), but those are early story events and we know how OP can be a bit inconsistent in terms of powers
@@AlexT7916I see you in the comments of one piece dnd
jotaro with haki would be insane
a lot of stuff wrong with this video.
first off you're completely neglecting to mention one of jotaros most valuable traits: his intelligence, jotaro is extremely good at figuring how an opponents abilities work and is perfectly capable of figuring out how to counter most of them, he also has a high understanding of physics which he can use to achieve a lot in combination with star platinums power and speed (like using friction to light a fire).
you're also underestimating star platinums sheer destructive power, star platinum can break diamonds with his fists, which means that star platinum is stronger than casual mihawk who could not damage jozu at marineford, meaning that the steel bodies of franky, kuma or the pacifista aren't an issue for jotaro at all.
No, it's not. Because Mihawk's slash wasn't even intended for Jozu. There's a whole thing about swordsmen learning to cut what they need to and not cut anything else, which is what Zoro is doing. Thats what Mihawk did to Whitebeard, hence why Jozu could block it. Hell, Jotaro isn't winning against Jozu, simply due to Haki defence. He couldn't even destroy a road roller when he needed to, he's fucked
@@egbertmilton4003 exactly bro
By the way, turning into logia elements is automatic. The only exception is the Mochi Mochi no mi, Or Mochi Mochi Fruit, which technically isn’t a logia but has the same behaviours, since it isn’t a logia the transformation is on reflex and observation haki. Jotaro cant beat logia users unless he has sea stone or armament haki. Technically, they are constantly in their logia form, but just look like a normal person, and their elements don’t react with the environment. But that is possibly a translation issue.
Possibly time stop could beat them, but that’s a bit iffy. All in all JJBA and One Piece are both awesome!
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On stands vs one piece I would say that Anubis could defeat Mihawk. Might take a few tries but Anubis learns from his mistakes so after enough of his Weilders die to mihawk he would squeeze out the win. Also the sword phasing might surprise mihawk.
Honestly, yeah. With how much Anubis grows in that short amount of time, I say around 15-20 iterations of possessions and he could get Mihawk. Shorter if Anubis possesses a New World tier swordsman. Heck I could argue if Polnareff plus Anubis had the AP they could beat Mihawk simply cause they have the speed already.
@@Deode-d4h in all fairness though you would need wielders that could keep up with Mihawk and there is nothing stopping Mihawk from destroying the sword as he could probably tell that the sword itself is cursed thanks to perception Haki.
@@zacharybreen8891 Doesn't Anubis get a buff in speed and skill after each failed possession. That's how the barber guy was able to almost match Silver Chariot, right?
Imagine Zoro using Anubis tho
@@wilfridekoue1405 That's interesting. There's an interesting argument to be made that Zoro can resist Anubis if he treats it like a Cursed sword. If Zoro can use Anubis without getting possessed but keeping the stat boosts it's crazy.
If you think Fishman island is bad get ready for Dressrosa
Dressrosa is peak OP tf
They did Doffy dirty putting him in that arc
Luffy is cooking him
Bro, this buy has logias all wrong. Logia's don't change on reflex, they essentially are the element. You CAN'T hit them without haki, df nullification (water or sea prism), or elemental advantage. This means unless Jotaro has the weakness of that specific user on hand, he will lose by default. Jotaro no diffs smoke if he figures out his weakness is fire, easily no diffs Crocodile with his own blood and sweat (like Luffy did), is no diffed by Enel (no rubber, no opponent to hit), survives Aokigi, is no diffed by Kizaru, and survives Akainu. He can escape Aokigi and Akainu, but Enel and Kizaru would kick his ass left right and center. Every other character that doesn't have a logia gets no diffed.
Edit: I don't know why the estimates of Star Platinum's power are so low. Jotaro is not lacking in speed or power. Any physical object that tries to hit him is not making it to him and Star Platinum is at least strong enough to break metal. Observation haki doesn't do crap if you can't see the attack that will hit either. Jotaro can't fight many logias, but he no diffs almost everything else (short of energy attacks and borderline indestructible objects).
Jotaro Breezes through Paradise. He might face same problems in New world, but he can beat them too
Big advantage: stands are invisible
Big disadvantage: Jotaro doesn't have haki. Maybe he could learn, maybe not
Also, I think Jotaro would defeat crocodile fairly easy even without superspeed and timestop, because the moment Crocodile thinks Jotaro is too injured/exhausted to keep fighting and starts absorbing water, Jotaro will deliver a surprise powerful ora and break his neck since Croco can't turn into sand while absorbing moisture.
Enel however, is a different matter entirely. To defeat him, Jotaro would need to stop time and within 5 seconds find something that counters Enel's logia type and beat Enel with it to the point that Enel can't get back up- otherwise, Enel's power is easily enought to kill Jotaro, as in terms of superhuman endurance he isn't really anywhere above characters like Sanji or Zoro who Enel can easily oneshot.
Oh, and Rob Lucci loses easily for 2 reasons:
1. Rob can't use Tekkai in timestop
2. Rob can't see Star Platinum
Jotaro, even with Star Platinum: The World, can only do so much. It’s only a matter of time until he’s defeated or killed. Johnny Joestar might have a higher chance of surviving though, even if he’s not main universe Jojo
Jotaro solos one piece because he can just swim
@@literallyrohanHe does not “solo” One Piece💀. I’m a fan of JoJo myself but I know damn well he doesn’t solo One Piece especially with all the ridiculous powers that are involved and smart devil fruit users.
@@SmashSetK xd I know
Imagine if there was an arc where Luffy learns how to make a Stand or Susano'o using all three kinds of Haki at once.
If it's true that Dragon has a wind based Devil Fruit power, I could see it being exclusive to him until Luffy sees and replicates it in Gear 5.
I’ll be honest- in a straight gauntlet w/ no what-if theory crafting a scenario where Jotaro is part of the Strawhats & thus having opportunities to train/meld power systems; I did not see Jotaro making it *to* Skypeia. Big ups to my mans, I should’ve had more faith
I made a post once on an OP subreddit about which of the eight JoJos from completed parts would be the best fit for the Straw Hat crew; maybe that's an idea. If the JoJos all formed a Pirate Crew, what roles would they play? Who would be the captain, the first mate, the navigator, etc.?
For context, I think we all collectively decided the best JoJo to join the Straw Hats was Gappy, and not just because he dresses like a sailor.
I have to disagree with enel. Enel would see jotaro attempting to attack him and he’d kill him in one shot. After all jotaro himself is still a normal person’s speed just with amazing reaction time
Then Star Platinum would just protect Jotaro like what?
@@Jsipki265 Not from El Thor, Raigo, even Enel's basic Vari move would kill him
@@Jsipki265 star platinum isn’t just an invincible shield that can guard from all angles plus enel could literally destroy a small country, there’s no world where jotaro wins this fight unless they start face to face and jotaro immediately knows to use time stop
@@Jsipki265bro thinks star platinum can stop a huge ass lightining
metal like defenses
jotaro punches casually brakes diamonds
I would say Jotaro might actually unintentionally develop Haki on his journey. In order to control a Stand, one has to have a pretty strong mental strength and Jotaro has one of the most robust mental strengths in Jojo. I would easily say he learns armament on accident. I think Observation may take longer though.
What would happen if perfect Kars was in one piece? I think he would solo because he would learn every technique in one glance because of his intelligence
Kars with haki will go crazy
YOU SUMMONED ME HERE KID....
For Foxy I feel that there should be a bit of drama added. When Jotaro is hit with slow-slow beam, all it really does to him is just make Jotaro or at least his Stand move at a normal human being speed for his punches. Or you know Jotaro is just so dang fast with his fists that Foxy be like "Nani?!" and it doesn't affect Jotaro and his stand at all. Stardust Crusador music plays; Foxy begs for mercy, roll credits.
jotaro would get onetapped by don krieg.
Let's be honest Don Krieg solos everybody in any verse.
Almost all jojo mcs and main villains would have top tier conquers haki with the exception of Kira and pucci with pucci being kind of a 50/50
He is not surviving long, he doesn’t have haki, he stand range isn’t long, his time stop range aint that far, his time stop doesn’t last long and we all knows the affect of Jotaro using timestop alot
He can learn haki... If he's just dropped into the verse he will eventually learn Haki... Stand range is made up for in Part 4 (ball bearing go brr), TS doesnt have "Range", and 5 seconds is enough to ora ora almost anyone
@@Ammiad time stop does have a range like what??? Its not a literal global time stamp even dio hand explained time stop has a range. Plus it doesn’t matter if Jotaro learned haki blud is not beating kizaru, akinu, white beard, doffy, gekko, kaido, big mom, rob lucci, ceasar cracker, katakuri, enel/full power etc
@@ThaTrueCoco how tf would it not be global? It would have to be global otherwise a lot of problems arise: why would TS not be global but MiH be global? What happens if someone moves into the time stop's range _after_ it was already activated? Does the time stop's range update when DIO/Jotaro move? If not, what happens if they run outside of it while it's still active? There's too many issues for it not to be global
@@Ammiad its not global because during the fight of dio and jotaro it was a point in battle where jotaro was trying to flee away from dio to escape the range of his timestop but dio caught up to him. Made in heaven is global cause the mf can quite literally speed up and move at infinite speed meaning bro can quite literally travel across earth a infinite amount of times. Plus you have to look at star platinum range stats its a C which is NOT GOOD even when he learns bearing shot his range still isn’t all that good cause his and dio stand is not a range stands there close range, plus time stop is a skill that only freeze things around jotaro. Also if anyone one or thing walks in it they are indeed frozen in time kinda like silver chariot requiem his range is not world wild but once you are within his range you will be affected there only like 2 or 3 stands to my knowledge that can genuinely affect the entire planet.
@@Ammiad if the time stop is use and people are in it there is no running out unless they have a stand ability that can by pass it such ass GER, made in heaven, Tusk etc
Probably not. He has no way of dealing w logia users and without timestop most characters are way faster and have better durability to withstand star platinum. Especially luffy cause blunt force is way less effective on him.
Jotaro is faster
@@josephrogers3666actually no most top tier characters in OP are way faster than he is and also some of them have the power to predict the future at their disposal.
@@josephrogers3666 jotaro has like 0 range and everyone noteworthy is much faster than him
dude Jotaro just needs to swim xd
Tbh, enel is probably much higher then just city lvl when considering luffy’s cloud dispersal feat
Jotaro has the same english voice actor as Law💯💯
Ultimate Kars VS one piece next?!?! 👀👀👀
kars would copy wonder of u and neg diff op verse
this man just got into the op community and he's already cooking this much, cant say its good yet, though
also, a bit of divergence with the parameters, cause from what I've seen in the op community, usually kizaru is not considered to be at actual light speed, maybe when he uses the ability where he cant see where he goes, but even then its questionable, though scalling him to be at continent level is consistent with the consensus
Assuming people like Smoker and Crocodile have any intel whatsoever on Jotaro, it would end there. They have the option to simply always remain in their logia forms. At which point, no amount of speed or time stop would be able to touch them. If you wanted to go even earlier, Jango might be able to do something with his hypnotism, and Mrs Golden Week could do something with her colors. As far as I'm aware, Jotaro has no resistance to mind hax. On that same front, Don Krieg uses poison gas. Assuming he gets that off before Jotaro hits him, it could spell trouble. Though, that one's easily countered by Star Platinum inhalation. Basically, in terms of raw stats, Jotaro gets as far as you say, but there are people as early as Syrup Village that have useable options against him, even if they're unlikely.
jotaro can inhale smoker and if crocodile stays in logia form then he cant defeat jotaro, also his stand is invisible so how could crocodile know whats happening from the start
@@charlsowy1494 "Hmm. A man in chains and a cap fused to his scalp is instakilling all of my men. If I see him, I better just stay in my logia form." Something like that. Also, can Jotaro inhale Smoker? As far as I'm aware, logias can just keep producing their element forever.
@@ClashBluelight if smoker turns into his element in front of jotaro his stand can prob inhale him, but if he does it before jotaro can find him then doesnt that just mean he wont need to fight?
@@charlsowy1494 Honestly, this is one of those unknowns. It's impossible to know if Jotaro has any means whatsoever to defeat a logia user who simply keeps their defense up.
@@ClashBluelight yeah, we cant even know if stands can damage logia, I guess they could act like haki but we dont know that
Bro at the most making it to kizura at saobody and dying
im like 99% sure logia users dont change upon reflex, they just straight up are the element, and the only way to hit said element is with haki
kars imitating rokushiki or devil fruit powers mid fight would be entertaining as hell to watch
Now you got me wondering if there are any Jojos that can make it further. For example I bet young Joseph could have easier times than Jotaro with some logias due to his insane intelligence. I can easily see him figuring out Crocodile’s water weakness and Enel’s rubber weakness.
10:14 luffy beat crocodile because crocodile has the sand logia. Logia type fruits have weaknesses due to there element.(like luffy being made of rubber can counter enel completely). So sand is weak to moisture because it makes sand clump up. Luffy literally uses his blood to make his hands wet and hit crocodile.
I don't think time stop could be used to beat a logia devil fruit user.
They don't reflexively turn into their element, they disperse on reflex to avoid the hit.
At one point, someone used some sort of tech to hit a logia, and they successfully hit them, but they just reformed.
Bruh, seastone exists in OP. Which is a direct natural counter against DF users. If Jotaro finds out the weakness he'd not hesitate to use it in a fight or to finish a fight nefore it even starts and with time stop, most fight ends the moment he identifies you as a threat.
@@Sunkcostfallecy keep in mind that seastone is only available to the marines and in Wano so unless Jotaro joins the navy or reaches Wano, seastoen isn't an option
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If Luffy can break into a Navy base, rescue Zoro and steal the map to the Grand line in episode 2, i think Jotaro can walk in and steal some seastone handcuffs in his sleep.
Remember that Star Platinum(subconsciously Jotaro) was bringing Jotaro stuff when he locked himself in jail and he thought he was possessed by a ghost.
I feel like at some point stands and haki would interact. Both being derived from willpower. If jotaro learns haki. jotaro would be quite versatile. Also he’s has one of the strongest stands in his verse so he’ll likely have really strong haki.
Also stands should probably just be able to affect logia users in general as again stands are a manifestation of will power.
I really like your jojo videos and hearing you talk about one piece is like hearing Neil Degrasse Tyson voice act in cartoons