Hey, I just wanted to thank you for recommending the Pacifica hybrid, I am approaching 8000 miles 6000 of them and EV mode 32 miles per gallon on gas in a 7k lb van loaded up with peeps and pooches,what a car
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney and I live in central California or even our winters are mild so the gas only comes on after electricity is gone. It must have thermostats that kick on the engine if it’s below freezing or something. Anyway thanks again Tom. And can somebody tell Kyle He doesn’t have to do every show on TH-cam haha
I bought a standard range RWD Mach-e in early May and have found it interesting that the vehicle actually adjusts the displayed range as it “learns” how you drive. Initially, it was only stating a range of around 190 miles on a 90% charge, now after just over 2 months and around 1800 miles of driving it’s stating around 210-220 miles on a 90% charge. I haven’t taken it on any long road trips yet, but have been very pleased with the vehicle so far, both in terms of performance and range. I believe Car and Driver recently awarded it the best EV as well. I highly recommend the Mach-e for anyone looking for a crossover sized vehicle at a lower cost than the Tesla Model Y (especially since Tesla only offered the Standard range Model Y for a short period of time before discontinuing that version). Great real world test Tom, keep making these fantastic videos!
Great test again and good to see that result! I’ve got a friend who’s considering a MME and this, your other test and the charging video are great things to be able to share with him. Really appreciate all of your effort on these!
I'm so glad you guys do this at a realistic 70 MPH (although on the NJTP that's a bit slow when everyone is doing close to 75-80). I enjoy Bjorn's tests, but he does them at 55 on average. No one drives at 55 mph. Tom M does it one of the best!! His disclosures about using ac or heat and real world range are awesome. I am just wondering at 70 MPH how many middle finger salutes you got?? Where's my cheesesteak??
Thanks, Alex. Believe it or not, I don't have a problem with 70-mph being too slow on the turnpike - sometimes I have a problem going that fast! And sometimes I'm actually driving in the fast lane.
@@mamadouaziza2536 Are they going to stop 100,000 cars mate?? Try driving during non-rush hour and see the average speeds people are going. 70 MPH is not so fast anymore. Just look at the sheer number of trans continental records (Cannonball) broken during the pandemic.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You know it depends whether they're going to the shore or coming from the shore. Those GOING tend to zoom. Coming home and exhausted, they're a lil more chill.
in my country the LR RWD and SR AWD cost the same but the AWD comes with better trim. was is the same for you when you purchased yours? and last question why did you pick the AWD compared to the LR RWD? I'm currently on a wait list to test drive those two versions :)
Another great video from the best presenter at InsideEVs. Your videos are simply the best, most informative EV videos, whether they are on this channel or your own. BTW, Ford claims that all driving modes will return the same range. Whisper mode has no regeneration, so I'm not sure it's the most efficient, when it comes down to brass tacks. Thanks for making this video!
Tom, wow amazing results 👍 I was thinking of getting this trim to be within similar range to my Audi eTron but did not know if the range would make EPA or worst but great to see it did well over EPA ..
Those were Can-Am Spyders, three-wheeled vehicles. I've ridden one and found it rather like riding a snowmobile except for the fun. They have a dedicated following though.
The MME weight range is 4,394 to 4,890 pounds. But the 496 lb difference cannot all be from the larger battery. So, no I don't have an exact answer on this, sorry.
Thanks for all your videos, awesome as always. I ordered my MME AWD Extended in mid February it was built last month but the ETA (like many others) just changed to Halloween, no official word from Ford but I'm suspecting chip shortages, but I can wait. After watching your reviews I chose a Wallbox so have that ready to install. One quick question, with the Wallbox (and any others) would it be ok sat in California sunshine all day? I know you do the deep freezer tests, just wondering if 90 degree sun would affect it in anyway.
It should be fine, but direct sunlight isn't great for EVSE. It wouldn't hurt it you built a small doghouse for it if you plan to charge while the sun is shining directly on it. If you charge at night it won't be an issue.
Direct sunlight has never been good for plastics, so if it has a plastic case, and I think almost all have one, it’s better to give it some shade. And some direct rain protection either, even if it doesn’t rain that much in California.
This just really highlights that the EPA range rating system needs to be overhauled. Consumers could easily make the decision to buy one car over the other just for range due to an EPA rating when the other car could very well go much further with a lower rating.
The EPA cannot give a reasonable range number because of how EVs operate. The battery is puny, so even a slightest change in efficiency due to the number of passengers, cargo, wind, tire pressure, road condition, elevation, temperature, speed, etc. will change that number dramatically. While driving ME I've got anywhere from 1.7 to 5.6 mi/kWh, that is more than 3x spread.
@@be236 It's slightly more efficient because it's lighter and I believe it has slightly thinner tires. It goes a little further than the SV and SL, but not really much.
@@EforElectric There's a TH-camr with the S Plus model and claims he gets close to around 280 mile range, a lot more than its 226-mile EPA rated range, even with highway driving.
Thanks Tom! It looks like Ford’s EV mileage/performance approach is different than that of Tesla, I respect that. Also noticed the wheel arches are in gloss black (red car); on the blue Mustang that you reviewed the wheel arches were painted with the car color (much better). P.S. there is no way I can live with that big glass top without a cover here in Florida. I suspect aftermarket kits will sell well here.
That blue limited "First Edition" model had body colored wheel arches, the red is a Premium trim. As for the glass roof, you should actually drive one and try it out in FL. I have a 2011 Glass Roof Mustang and you can definitely feel sun heat through that to where you would benefit from the included shade. In the 2021, they did way better on the glass to where I don't feel the sun. Others online say the same thing. Saying that, there is an aftermarket company making a shade but I don't think it's needed.
I own a Mach-E with the glass roof and, as reported by various reviewers in sunny states, heat transmission into the cabin is a non-issue. Ford, unlike Tesla, has added the CORRECT amount of tint, infrared, and UV protection to the glass. I actually forget that the glass roof is there while driving the car. I live in TX where the temperature has consistently been in the 90s for months now.
Will you be doing a video on the charging speed for the standard range battery? According to Ford, the standard range pack can only charge at a peak of 115kW vs the 150kW of the extended battery. Would be interesting to see if that is the case or not and what the charging curve looks like for the standard range pack.
I'd like to see a comparison of charging speed for different cars. When I was charging my ME there was an etron next to me on EA station. We were both on 150kWh chargers. I was in low 20% SOC and etron was over 80%. I noticed etron was almost as fast charging at that SOC as ME, which drops like a rock at 80% SOC.
@@AMan-he9sz -- I have Premium and I've never experienced 150kW from EA chargers. It's good if it charges at over 100kWh, more often it's in 70kWh range.
Hi @InsideEVsUS, great job with all your reviews. I'm considering both the Model Y (LR) and Mach E (SR) AWD. On performance, how close to the Model Y is this Mach E model? Also, which of the two vehicles would you recommend, Model Y or Mach E?
Most Efficient stock wheels? in your recent video (BMW IX) you say you had the smaller wheels that are the most efficient wheels for the IX. being that the select has 18" the premium 19 and the GT 20 and wider. .what is the most efficient wheels and would you say ~ same 10 mile increase in range with the 18 over the 19 or more so over the 20?
Can you tell us why does the Tesla always get so much lower actual mileage than the EPA estimates, while most other OEMs seem to always get above the EPA rating, and maybe more importantly how are they able to get away with it legally?
Do you think the AWD vs. the RWD would make a difference? I have the standard range battery with RWD. I am wondering if I would get the same range as you did.
It's bad enough when you come south to drive slow, 70 mph is slower than what a lot of drivers down south drive on Turnpikes/Interstate highways, while vehicles are passing you on the right while you hog the left lane! Realistic driving would be you changing lanes to let faster drivers pass you on the left! (Not all the South, GA drivers think they own the left lane on Interstate highways!) Who do you know that owns that red car in front of you on every quarter stop and so was the U-haul!
Can you please run these tests on a base model rwd smaller battery I’m thinking of purchasing one but no one online has any good footage of the absolute base
At around the 10:00 mark guessing why Ford de-rates the range rating. Any Star Trek fan will recognize this as the Scotty principle. Kirk to Scott, how long until we can get moving? Scott to Kirk, about 2 days Cappan Kirk to Scott, you have three hours. Then Scotty gets it done.
We conduct all of the range tests the exact same way, with climate control set at 68-70 degrees F and on fan setting 1. We don't expect owners to drive without climate control so why would we conduct a range test without using it?
@@InsideEVsUS Because, unless you do ever single test in the exact same humidity and temperature (which is out of your control), by running the climate control you've introduced random unaccounted for variable into the equation. The amount of power it draws is variable, so now you aren't comparing apples to apples.
Ford could be considering weather, since they'll be targeting their home state of Michigan and the rust belt. I see Mach-E's everywhere here. Alternatively, maybe Ford is considering battery degradation when they de-rate their batteries... something all companies should be required to do. Tesla typically over promises and under delivers, even on day one. Then after the first 10k-50k miles, people have reported degradation range losses amounting to as much as 7%! Then for the rest of the vehicles life, which could be 150,000+ miles, it'll have less than its rated range. Not exactly giving people what they were promised. Ford also has a much larger buffer in their batteries, which could be accessed for the battery's early life degradation... so maybe the car's range won't see an initial degradation related drop until after 50k-100k+ miles; in which case the underreported range figure starts to play. People are so congratulatory of Tesla... but if they're only capable of beating the competition by using these gimmicks... then are they actually all that far ahead? What Tesla accels at isn't the powertrain, it's the aerodynamics and weight.
Well said, this is exactly the tricks Tesla uses to game their EPA numbers they plaster and advertise on their window stickers. Ford among other manufacturers are already showing them up in the range department. Their company is worth nowhere near their meme stock market status.
Ford had issues with their mpg ratings on the Fusion hybrid a few years back. It was listed as 48 combined but in actuality, it was more like ~42. Maybe that has something to do with them artificially lower ratings?
The EPA rating are just about useless. They are so all over the map that you can't use it for comparison. Sometimes they over-estimate, sometimes under and not by a few either.
@@_TrueDesire_ Even that is better. With the EPA, it depends on brand. Ford matches, Porsche is EPA * 1.4, Tesla is EPA * 0.75, Jag is EPA * 0.9. It's like you need a conversion table.
Ford comes out with their first long range BEV, and offers 7 different trims of it. Tesla's been building long range BEVs for 9 years, they come out with Model Y a year before the Mach-E, and they only offer 2 trims; having killed off their lower range trim, leaving only $53k+ trims. No doubt to spike their profits, rather than building what customers want. Meanwhile, the AWD dual motor extended range Mach-E exceeded the range of the model Y long range trim which is also AWD dual motor with extended range battery. Tom hasn't even tested the longest range Mach-E yet, the RWD extended range California Route 1 with 305 mile rated range. The question is will even the CR1 exceed its combined range on the highway. Huh... wasn't Tesla supposed to have a huge insurmountable technology lead? Yes, the Tesla is still more efficient, which is no doubt a reflection of Tesla concentrating on the use of aluminum to lower vehicle weight, and best in class aerodynamics. Sure, they probably get some benefits from powertrain technology, but I imagine it's fairly small compared to weight and aero. I'm not a huge advocate for BEVs because of the MASSIVE amount of resources they use, and would prefer people buy PHEVS... but if you're going to buy a Mach-E, I'd argue more people should consider the RWD version. It's still quick, but it's much cheaper, and it gets more range. If you live in a cold climate and are worried about traction, buy a set of winter tires. Winter tires are amazing. They add very little to the TCO of the vehicle because you're dividing miles between two sets of tires, and they make even RWD vehicles extremely sure footed on snow and ice. Although, with the Mach-E's narrow all season tires, they may be sufficient for winter time.
Love what your doing. Love the channel but... If you are an automotive based channel then you should likewise be DRIVERS and be a good example to the driving public. A knowledgeable, courteous driver does not sit in the left lane at 70MPH blocking traffic.
What instrument display are you talking about? If you're talking about the time (4hrs) that's because we'll stop a few times for 10-15 minutes or so at a highway rest stop to adjust the camera or use the restroom.
I can tell you why someone would buy the Mach-e over the Model Y. Build quality in the Mustang is 10 years ahead of Tesla. I personally would give up some of the Model Y's efficiencies for the Mustang's built quality. As time moves forward, Teslas Super Charging advantage will become less relevant as more and more non Tesla public chargers are erected. People wondered why others were buying a BMW i3 over a Model 3 and Chevy Bolt because both vehicles has more range over the i3. i3 has far better build quality, doesn't burst into a ball of fire when you charge it to 100%.
70mph test is pointless, at least here in California. A typical traffic speed is 80mph on I-5 and 75mph on other freeways. The other problem is that you can only reasonably charge to 80% on fast chargers. With those corrections the range can be as low as 1/2 of EPA.
@@USGrant21st some semis on the highway we're gladly do 75 to 80 miles an hour LOL I'm from the south and when you go on open highway and there's always one or two semis keeping up with traffic lol
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When you want the top-of-line Info about BEV vehicles. Turn to Tom. Another great video.
Thank you!
Well put. Tom is the guy with the most integrity in this EV world we enjoy.Tom knows you can’t polish a turd even though MythBusters did it
Ford is killing competition with best range in class
only downside is the lack of a heat pump, in Sweden it makes a 20-30% difference depending on the car.
@@_TrueDesire_ I imagine the same in Canada. It affects range but not cabin functions, correct?
Hey, I just wanted to thank you for recommending the Pacifica hybrid, I am approaching 8000 miles 6000 of them and EV mode 32 miles per gallon on gas in a 7k lb van loaded up with peeps and pooches,what a car
Great to hear. I really liked that vehicle.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney and I live in central California or even our winters are mild so the gas only comes on after electricity is gone. It must have thermostats that kick on the engine if it’s below freezing or something. Anyway thanks again Tom. And can somebody tell Kyle He doesn’t have to do every show on TH-cam haha
I bought a standard range RWD Mach-e in early May and have found it interesting that the vehicle actually adjusts the displayed range as it “learns” how you drive. Initially, it was only stating a range of around 190 miles on a 90% charge, now after just over 2 months and around 1800 miles of driving it’s stating around 210-220 miles on a 90% charge. I haven’t taken it on any long road trips yet, but have been very pleased with the vehicle so far, both in terms of performance and range. I believe Car and Driver recently awarded it the best EV as well. I highly recommend the Mach-e for anyone looking for a crossover sized vehicle at a lower cost than the Tesla Model Y (especially since Tesla only offered the Standard range Model Y for a short period of time before discontinuing that version). Great real world test Tom, keep making these fantastic videos!
Great test again and good to see that result! I’ve got a friend who’s considering a MME and this, your other test and the charging video are great things to be able to share with him. Really appreciate all of your effort on these!
I'm so glad you guys do this at a realistic 70 MPH (although on the NJTP that's a bit slow when everyone is doing close to 75-80). I enjoy Bjorn's tests, but he does them at 55 on average. No one drives at 55 mph. Tom M does it one of the best!! His disclosures about using ac or heat and real world range are awesome. I am just wondering at 70 MPH how many middle finger salutes you got?? Where's my cheesesteak??
Thanks, Alex. Believe it or not, I don't have a problem with 70-mph being too slow on the turnpike - sometimes I have a problem going that fast! And sometimes I'm actually driving in the fast lane.
So even in the slow lane drivers are going faster than 70 miles per hour on the NJTP? State police do nothing to drivers who break the law?
@@mamadouaziza2536 Are they going to stop 100,000 cars mate?? Try driving during non-rush hour and see the average speeds people are going. 70 MPH is not so fast anymore. Just look at the sheer number of trans continental records (Cannonball) broken during the pandemic.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney You know it depends whether they're going to the shore or coming from the shore. Those GOING tend to zoom. Coming home and exhausted, they're a lil more chill.
Another great real-world test.
But this time with more outlaw tricycle gang! 11:17
I was hoping for this video! I just picked up a standard range AWD and love it so far, curious to see how my consumption compares with this.
in my country the LR RWD and SR AWD cost the same but the AWD comes with better trim. was is the same for you when you purchased yours?
and last question why did you pick the AWD compared to the LR RWD? I'm currently on a wait list to test drive those two versions :)
this video is awesome and really cements my decision to buy this model Mach E 😎
Good stuff, Tom! I still have yet to test my SR Model Y but I suspect it's going to be much lower.
Great results‼️
Another great video from the best presenter at InsideEVs. Your videos are simply the best, most informative EV videos, whether they are on this channel or your own. BTW, Ford claims that all driving modes will return the same range. Whisper mode has no regeneration, so I'm not sure it's the most efficient, when it comes down to brass tacks. Thanks for making this video!
Tom, wow amazing results 👍 I was thinking of getting this trim to be within similar range to my Audi eTron but did not know if the range would make EPA or worst but great to see it did well over EPA ..
Good job. I got a bit distracted by the background at about 11:28, looked like a swarm of quad bikes chasing you
Haha. Yes, there were a LOT of them!
Those were Can-Am Spyders, three-wheeled vehicles. I've ridden one and found it rather like riding a snowmobile except for the fun. They have a dedicated following though.
Thank you. I have a XR-AWD MachE. I love it so far, 2750 miles. At home I use a 240v 16amp charger which works fine for my driving habits.
The Mustang continues to impress. Tom, any idea the weight difference between the 2 you tested?
The MME weight range is 4,394 to 4,890 pounds. But the 496 lb difference cannot all be from the larger battery. So, no I don't have an exact answer on this, sorry.
Thanks for all your videos, awesome as always. I ordered my MME AWD Extended in mid February it was built last month but the ETA (like many others) just changed to Halloween, no official word from Ford but I'm suspecting chip shortages, but I can wait. After watching your reviews I chose a Wallbox so have that ready to install. One quick question, with the Wallbox (and any others) would it be ok sat in California sunshine all day? I know you do the deep freezer tests, just wondering if 90 degree sun would affect it in anyway.
It should be fine, but direct sunlight isn't great for EVSE. It wouldn't hurt it you built a small doghouse for it if you plan to charge while the sun is shining directly on it. If you charge at night it won't be an issue.
Direct sunlight has never been good for plastics, so if it has a plastic case, and I think almost all have one, it’s better to give it some shade. And some direct rain protection either, even if it doesn’t rain that much in California.
@@e-redj The Grizzl-E has an aluminum case.
I have something for you. I just watched a video on the same subject.
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This just really highlights that the EPA range rating system needs to be overhauled. Consumers could easily make the decision to buy one car over the other just for range due to an EPA rating when the other car could very well go much further with a lower rating.
The EPA cannot give a reasonable range number because of how EVs operate. The battery is puny, so even a slightest change in efficiency due to the number of passengers, cargo, wind, tire pressure, road condition, elevation, temperature, speed, etc. will change that number dramatically. While driving ME I've got anywhere from 1.7 to 5.6 mi/kWh, that is more than 3x spread.
It would be fun to see you do a Leaf with 100K miles on it. I had a friend who was nervous about driving 10 miles into town with one.
Great suggestion. I have a friend who has one. I'll set it up
It depends on speed. My 2012 7 bar Leaf can do about 50 miles at 55 mph
Use Nissan LEAF Plus S (not SV or SL) model. I hear it exceeds its EPA range.
@@be236 It's slightly more efficient because it's lighter and I believe it has slightly thinner tires. It goes a little further than the SV and SL, but not really much.
@@EforElectric There's a TH-camr with the S Plus model and claims he gets close to around 280 mile range, a lot more than its 226-mile EPA rated range, even with highway driving.
Can’t get past that gloss black exterior trim, especially on the red. What were they thinking.
I love the gloss black trim. The Select has matte black trim.
Well Done. Are you going to test the real-world range of Mach-E California Route 1? Haven't found any tests about it on youtube?
Thanks Tom! It looks like Ford’s EV mileage/performance approach is different than that of Tesla, I respect that.
Also noticed the wheel arches are in gloss black (red car); on the blue Mustang that you reviewed the wheel arches were painted with the car color (much better). P.S. there is no way I can live with that big glass top without a cover here in Florida. I suspect aftermarket kits will sell well here.
That blue limited "First Edition" model had body colored wheel arches, the red is a Premium trim. As for the glass roof, you should actually drive one and try it out in FL. I have a 2011 Glass Roof Mustang and you can definitely feel sun heat through that to where you would benefit from the included shade. In the 2021, they did way better on the glass to where I don't feel the sun. Others online say the same thing. Saying that, there is an aftermarket company making a shade but I don't think it's needed.
I own a Mach-E with the glass roof and, as reported by various reviewers in sunny states, heat transmission into the cabin is a non-issue. Ford, unlike Tesla, has added the CORRECT amount of tint, infrared, and UV protection to the glass. I actually forget that the glass roof is there while driving the car. I live in TX where the temperature has consistently been in the 90s for months now.
Would be interesting to see if you could to a 70mph test with the Volvo XC40 recharge to compare with the Mach-E and the Polestar. Great review.
didn't know they were making premium mach-e's with standard batteries. My understanding was that the standard was only on the select.
Nope. Premium trim has the choice of the standard range or extended range.
Will you be doing a video on the charging speed for the standard range battery? According to Ford, the standard range pack can only charge at a peak of 115kW vs the 150kW of the extended battery. Would be interesting to see if that is the case or not and what the charging curve looks like for the standard range pack.
I already recorded it. Just need a week to edit it up. That will be on my personal TH-cam channel, State Of Charge: bit.ly/3B4FkO1
I'd like to see a comparison of charging speed for different cars. When I was charging my ME there was an etron next to me on EA station. We were both on 150kWh chargers. I was in low 20% SOC and etron was over 80%. I noticed etron was almost as fast charging at that SOC as ME, which drops like a rock at 80% SOC.
According to Ford's official tech specs sheet, the Select trim is the only Mach-E to charge at 115 kW. The Premium trim SR battery charges at 150 kW.
@@AMan-he9sz -- I have Premium and I've never experienced 150kW from EA chargers. It's good if it charges at over 100kWh, more often it's in 70kWh range.
@@USGrant21st Yes. That's because all trims only charge at the maximum rate for a couple minutes (literally) before it drops to 2 digits.
Hi @InsideEVsUS, great job with all your reviews. I'm considering both the Model Y (LR) and Mach E (SR) AWD. On performance, how close to the Model Y is this Mach E model? Also, which of the two vehicles would you recommend, Model Y or Mach E?
I'd love to see a similar test with the california route 1 version
We already did it, just editing the video now. Stay tuned!
@@InsideEVsUS Is it coming out soon?
very Nice test. Thanks
great video
Thanks!
Well this changes my opinion on the Mach-e vs the ID.4.
Even the standard battery in the Mach E is a great choice for cost conscious buyers.
Would have been nice to know the actually battery size of the tested unit
I have a 2023 MME premium AWD std range and at 100% charge I get 224 miles range
Maybe Ford took the average of cold weather range and warm weather range and that’s how they got there numbers
Most Efficient stock wheels? in your recent video (BMW IX) you say you had the smaller wheels that are the most efficient wheels for the IX. being that the select has 18" the premium 19 and the GT 20 and wider. .what is the most efficient wheels and would you say ~ same 10 mile increase in range with the 18 over the 19 or more so over the 20?
Can you tell us why does the Tesla always get so much lower actual mileage than the EPA estimates, while most other OEMs seem to always get above the EPA rating, and maybe more importantly how are they able to get away with it legally?
Do you think the AWD vs. the RWD would make a difference? I have the standard range battery with RWD. I am wondering if I would get the same range as you did.
It's bad enough when you come south to drive slow, 70 mph is slower than what a lot of drivers down south drive on Turnpikes/Interstate highways, while vehicles are passing you on the right while you hog the left lane! Realistic driving would be you changing lanes to let faster drivers pass you on the left! (Not all the South, GA drivers think they own the left lane on Interstate highways!) Who do you know that owns that red car in front of you on every quarter stop and so was the U-haul!
Did 2021 mach-e model owners ever get the software update for improved range?
Can you please run these tests on a base model rwd smaller battery I’m thinking of purchasing one but no one online has any good footage of the absolute base
At around the 10:00 mark guessing why Ford de-rates the range rating. Any Star Trek fan will recognize this as the Scotty principle.
Kirk to Scott, how long until we can get moving?
Scott to Kirk, about 2 days Cappan
Kirk to Scott, you have three hours.
Then Scotty gets it done.
I can't believe you ran the AC during a range test
We conduct all of the range tests the exact same way, with climate control set at 68-70 degrees F and on fan setting 1. We don't expect owners to drive without climate control so why would we conduct a range test without using it?
@@InsideEVsUS Because, unless you do ever single test in the exact same humidity and temperature (which is out of your control), by running the climate control you've introduced random unaccounted for variable into the equation. The amount of power it draws is variable, so now you aren't comparing apples to apples.
Ford could be considering weather, since they'll be targeting their home state of Michigan and the rust belt. I see Mach-E's everywhere here. Alternatively, maybe Ford is considering battery degradation when they de-rate their batteries... something all companies should be required to do. Tesla typically over promises and under delivers, even on day one. Then after the first 10k-50k miles, people have reported degradation range losses amounting to as much as 7%! Then for the rest of the vehicles life, which could be 150,000+ miles, it'll have less than its rated range. Not exactly giving people what they were promised. Ford also has a much larger buffer in their batteries, which could be accessed for the battery's early life degradation... so maybe the car's range won't see an initial degradation related drop until after 50k-100k+ miles; in which case the underreported range figure starts to play.
People are so congratulatory of Tesla... but if they're only capable of beating the competition by using these gimmicks... then are they actually all that far ahead? What Tesla accels at isn't the powertrain, it's the aerodynamics and weight.
Well said, this is exactly the tricks Tesla uses to game their EPA numbers they plaster and advertise on their window stickers.
Ford among other manufacturers are already showing them up in the range department. Their company is worth nowhere near their meme stock market status.
What is its MPGe rating? What was it's wh/mi? That's why the EPA ratings are a joke. A buyer can't use the data to compare apples to apples.
Can you put up some visuals with the numbers near the end where you discuss results?
Not now, unfortunately. But I will include those in the post on InsideEVs which will be up on the site in about an hour.
I like that Ford derates their ratings
I haven’t seen any California Rt 1 Mach-E tests. Is that one out yet?
My friend owns one, easily get 350 miles per charge with around 60% local + 40% highway (~65 - 70mph)
@@garfieldchenyu1 I’m hoping one of these good channels can get their hands on one soon
We did the range test on that version already - still editing the video. Stay tuned.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney awesome! You guys are 💯
Real test is daily life
Ford had issues with their mpg ratings on the Fusion hybrid a few years back. It was listed as 48 combined but in actuality, it was more like ~42. Maybe that has something to do with them artificially lower ratings?
That was the dud.
The EPA rating are just about useless. They are so all over the map that you can't use it for comparison. Sometimes they over-estimate, sometimes under and not by a few either.
EPA is way better than WLTP we use in europe 😂 i often use WLTP * 0.85 so i won’t be disappointed, and 0.8 for winter range.
@@_TrueDesire_ Even that is better. With the EPA, it depends on brand. Ford matches, Porsche is EPA * 1.4, Tesla is EPA * 0.75, Jag is EPA * 0.9. It's like you need a conversion table.
Ford comes out with their first long range BEV, and offers 7 different trims of it. Tesla's been building long range BEVs for 9 years, they come out with Model Y a year before the Mach-E, and they only offer 2 trims; having killed off their lower range trim, leaving only $53k+ trims. No doubt to spike their profits, rather than building what customers want. Meanwhile, the AWD dual motor extended range Mach-E exceeded the range of the model Y long range trim which is also AWD dual motor with extended range battery. Tom hasn't even tested the longest range Mach-E yet, the RWD extended range California Route 1 with 305 mile rated range. The question is will even the CR1 exceed its combined range on the highway.
Huh... wasn't Tesla supposed to have a huge insurmountable technology lead? Yes, the Tesla is still more efficient, which is no doubt a reflection of Tesla concentrating on the use of aluminum to lower vehicle weight, and best in class aerodynamics. Sure, they probably get some benefits from powertrain technology, but I imagine it's fairly small compared to weight and aero.
I'm not a huge advocate for BEVs because of the MASSIVE amount of resources they use, and would prefer people buy PHEVS... but if you're going to buy a Mach-E, I'd argue more people should consider the RWD version. It's still quick, but it's much cheaper, and it gets more range. If you live in a cold climate and are worried about traction, buy a set of winter tires. Winter tires are amazing. They add very little to the TCO of the vehicle because you're dividing miles between two sets of tires, and they make even RWD vehicles extremely sure footed on snow and ice. Although, with the Mach-E's narrow all season tires, they may be sufficient for winter time.
Love what your doing. Love the channel but... If you are an automotive based channel then you should likewise be DRIVERS and be a good example to the driving public. A knowledgeable, courteous driver does not sit in the left lane at 70MPH blocking traffic.
What was the average speed for the trip? Based on the instrument display in the video it was less than 55MPH. That is no where close to a 70MPH test.
What instrument display are you talking about? If you're talking about the time (4hrs) that's because we'll stop a few times for 10-15 minutes or so at a highway rest stop to adjust the camera or use the restroom.
After watching Sandy Munro I do not know why anyone would buy it over the model y
Sandy doesn't dissect styling, fit and finish or paint quality
@@metal_horses568 good point sir I would agree
Because not everyone is a 🐑
I can tell you why someone would buy the Mach-e over the Model Y.
Build quality in the Mustang is 10 years ahead of Tesla. I personally would give up some of the Model Y's efficiencies for the Mustang's built quality. As time moves forward, Teslas Super Charging advantage will become less relevant as more and more non Tesla public chargers are erected.
People wondered why others were buying a BMW i3 over a Model 3 and Chevy Bolt because both vehicles has more range over the i3. i3 has far better build quality, doesn't burst into a ball of fire when you charge it to 100%.
@@mamadouaziza2536 what's blowing up?
Tom, glad you haven’t bought this. You could get a Tesla ! Sounds like you might be a salesman.
I already own a 2021 Model 3 - Tom
70mph test is pointless, at least here in California. A typical traffic speed is 80mph on I-5 and 75mph on other freeways. The other problem is that you can only reasonably charge to 80% on fast chargers. With those corrections the range can be as low as 1/2 of EPA.
Well I guess you could do 70 if you stay out the fast lane LOL
@@USGrant21st some semis on the highway we're gladly do 75 to 80 miles an hour LOL I'm from the south and when you go on open highway and there's always one or two semis keeping up with traffic lol