Having trouble finding Ohuhu blending groups? I hear ya!
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I am so glad that I watched this. Thank you for all of your research and information.
I prefer the Copic over the Ohuhu for the nib and the color system, and I prefer the Ohuhu over the Copic because I haven't had any of them drying randomly like 8 of my Copic :( I hope that Copic will improve that someday. Thank you for your work 😊
Great information! Thank you for your time and efforts.
I’m even more glad I stuck with Copic now! I love that you are donating the markers and the money from the hex chart!
I have a small set of ohuhu72 and I was wondering why I cannot find a good color blend except using the blue and grey. I am using my rewards points to slowly purchase Copics And I just purchased the Copic hex chart. Thank you for creating it ❤
Awesome.....cannot thank you enough for your efforts! Really really means a lot ❤
As Tim Holtz says, you do you.
For me, after saving up for months, i bought a brand new pack of Copics. When i opened them, it turned out 8 were completely dried, and a half dozen more had broken tips. I cant afford to waste $$ on supplies that don't even work. Maybe there was a time when Copics were worth this kind of money but it certainly doesn't seem to be true anymore.
Picked up a set of 36 Ohuhu skin tones markers about a year ago and they've been working wonderfully. Now that they have refills i won't ever risk trying Copic again.
Did you send the copics back I hope?! That’s terrible. Even sounds like an impersonator company. They may have some issues but should never be that bad.
@@SandyAllnock1 it was through one of the larger online craft retailers in the US. After a lot of back and forth, they refunded me minus the cost of shipping it back to them and a restocking fee. They refused a full refund because they said there was insufficient proof of when the damage occurred and I should contact Copic for a full replacement or accept the partial refund from them. I contacted them within 8 hours of it being delivered (I was at work) but apparently 8 hours between delivery and my email meant I could've damaged it and then tried to get a full refund. I gave up after a few weeks of back and forth with both companies. It really soured me on both brands though.
Edit to add: in Copic's defense, I didn't think they were wrong in their response that it was the retailer's fault/mistake. But I also don't see how it was a good business decision for both companies to just point at each other in blame. Especially since I now don't buy anything from either one of them.
Thanks for the video and the hex chart. I do own the Ohuhu markers but I don't do art. I just like to color stamped images and play with the grandkids and the hex chart will help me find the colors they want.
Thank you, Sandy, for doing this video.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you so very much Sandy for the shampoo analogy and the best information I’ve heard yet, on these markers. I invested thousands of dollars and purchased every single Copic color marker. I have enjoyed using them for several years, but now I struggle with them drying out and getting my refills. I’ve looked at other brands, but hate to not get my moneys worth out of this huge investment. Thanks for sharing, and for your time and dedication to crafters everywhere! I think it’s awesome that you’re donating your markers and hex chart to others who need care and love.❤️
Thank you. This is exactly the info i was looking for. Blending, color blending groups, and color numbering system. Thank you sooo much. Sticking with Copic. Aloha!
I just made the ohuhu purchase due finding 3 of my brand spanking new Copic are dry as bone at 7.00 a pop I can’t afford 3 to done within a month of purchase. I purchased for an online event and Wow! was i disappointed when I went to color along.
I keep hoping Copic is going to hear how unhappy people are with their manufacturing changes. They were always so good for decades. 🙁
Oh em gee. How'd you know? I was just commenting on an artist post about how i struggle with the pinks. This will be super helpful! Cannot wait!!!!🎉❤
Be sure to watch the video for why it’s a challenge-I figured it out. But it takes me a bit of a windup to explain 🤣
@@SandyAllnock1 I am looking forward to it!
❤ hello from British Columbia Canada 😂🇨🇦
Been there...results very.😢
this is really interesting and you've covered a lot of different topics! when it comes to ethics, I had similar thoughts when temu came out of nowhere ❤
Same same - bleh 😢
Excellent job in explaining. Nice to hear that you are donating to the children. Even nicer that you made a Hex chart to help people in their time of need before they bang their head against the wall with frustration.
I really don't like the soft brush nib of the higher end alcohol markers while I do love a harder nib like the Ohuhu ones. I have to say that water-based markers are still my favourite and those do have harder tips. The Pitt pens are the best ❤🎉
I don’t like soft nibs either. I struggle with my hands and find harder nibs easier to control. I love me promarkers for that reason,
I can easily say how much I hate Copics. They dry out so fast, and their brush nib is horrible.
Love the truth. Thank you 💛
Another fantastic video. This is the problem across the board with art supplies. (and basically any product) Sometimes you do have to pay for quality. But considering the quality products last long enough to balance out you really are spending less in the long run. Professional water color is my favorite example. The professional paint has lasted years! Still transparent still vibrant.
Great point!
It's like you read my mind!
Thank you for being so honest. 😘
Always! Some don’t like it but you’ll always get my two cents worth around here 🤣
Thanks for the Hex chart. I bought the 216 (I think) set of Ohuhu markers and I totally agree with what you said. Their numbering system makes no sense whatsoever. Thanks for your hard work.
I was influenced. I know who you are talking about and i did make the Ohuhu purchase shortly thereafter. I love these markers and i will be slowly (very slowly) adding to my collection but it will be higher end markers. I didnt think of these things because i was reading an article about why Copics are soo expensive and they said it is because of taxes and travel fees? Something along those lines. When i saw that it really kinda made me think that these could be made cheaply and sold cheaply. It never crossed my mind they could be using cheap labor or questionable materials. Its funny because i am aware of those practices but i was still influenced. Wow. Thank you for this raw truth video. You are right it is hard to get decent blends with these and the color names and number system is wack.
Yes, it’s very easy for that to happen! Some people make it seem like the product they’re pushing is better than sliced bread, and they avoid sharing any negatives. Because then they wouldn’t make money off of it. 🤷🏼♀️ Alas.
As for why Copic’s are more expensive- I’ll guarantee they’ve got lawsuits all around the world for everybody trying to mimic them, for one. All that garbage costs the consumer. They do seem to have cheapened their manufacturing process (I haven’t experienced it since I haven’t had to buy a marker in the last 8 or 10 years) but they really have honed the manufacturing and materials over the decades. When they made changes a few years ago, it was the children of the founder taking over. Not sure why they made the choices they did but-as I said they did it too fast. And that invited everybody to jump into the market.
Thank you so much for this video Sandy ! I have had so much trouble with Ohuhu markers ! It’s been so frustrating ! I am just going to donate these markers myself and use my what I have , really old Spectrum Noir markers and add as I go . 👍
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Thanks for your honesty and insight. We might pay less, but someone down the road is paying the rest. Which is why I wish the US would bring back more mfg. jobs. At least you know what you are getting (tho our system is not perfect either). Bless you for making lemonade out of lemons! TFS
I do love that manufacturing here is starting to kick in again. But - we aren't going to get dollar store price levels from that since we pay better wages - but I'm excited to see more of the companies building plants start to produce! :)
You are the BEST!!!!
After watching the video, I agree with you - mostly. Piracy, child labor, unfair and unsafe labor practices are all 100% abhorrent and I do my best to look behind the brand when purchasing. However, not all products with the same look and feel as a "oldie but goodie" are pirated. It is possible that there are IP licenses in place to enable some of the "similar but different" form and function in these cheaper marker brands. Lots of companies make HUGE amounts of money by licensing their patent rights - even to competitors. I have no idea if it's the case with Ohuhu or the other cheaper brands, but it is possible. I'm not defending Ohuhu (I actually got rid of a set of Ohuhu because they were so frustrating to try to group/blend and the colors were 'blah') but I felt compelled to raise the possibility that they are above board.
Yes, I don’t know any facts about their production. But I do know I looked under the hood of some of the other brands with the same physical attributes. They’re all made in the same location.
I bought the Honolulu small set and haven’t even tried them. For my craft style, Copics are prohibitively expensive. I think i will stick to watercolor and just pass on alcohol markers. This is a helpful video-thank you.
Forgot to say that I commented on the video where *Gloria* mentioned their products were stuck on a boat. Nobody ever responded to that comment, but they responded to every other comment!
Great video and spot on analogy. Temu comes to mind. Have you ever thought about creating a Hex Chart for the Spectrum Noir markers. I have them, and I like them. I selected them years ago over Copic because of the price point. But, I still think about investing in the Copics since I can't find a chart to compare the two. They also have the Tri-Blends now which is nice for when you don't know a color combination. And I think Simon Says Stamp is starting to carry them now too. Bonus as it is a small female owned business!😃
I’d have to buy a full set…without a winning lottery ticket I just can’t get them all🙃
I did buy the Ohuhu markers (a smaller set) and was disappointed in the colors. Why I kept them, I'm not sure...probably will go to my granddaughter and she'll be thrilled! I'm not an artist, but do like decent markers....Will look again at the two you still recommend. The issue of ripoffs is my main pet peeve...and has been for years. I will not buy any Chinese knockoffs and when people post online about one of these sites, I get on my little podium and nicely remind them they are condoning stealing from our USA designers and craft companies. Who knows if anyone reads or cares....but I do. Thanks for the interesting video!
Thanks for getting the word out - though the hatemail I'm getting tells me there are some who really don't want anyone bringing up ethics in art. Ah well.
@@SandyAllnock1 Hate mail? Really??? That is shocking and so very disappointing. I don't understand at all...
I never thought of if that way. Makes me feel a bit different about the brand now 🤔. Nevertheless, thank you for the info and the work you put into making the Hex chart
You are so welcome!
Really good video. Companies should use you to review there product because you know what your talking about. When I’m looking for good art supplies I will see what you have suggested and start there. You have never missed lead me and I do believe that making good art starts with what you use. Then skill and technique something you can’t buy but through tones of practice and work you can get bette, I guess if you pay for a class or two from your art classes you can buy skill(lol) and yes I have gotten a handful of your classes and there very good because I keep doing them. Anyways thanks again for the post I’m foo to gel print today.
So glad you find my reviews helpful! So many out there just want their cut of even poor quality supplies, it’s so sad. Happy printing!
I don't have any of these markers, but you did a great job explaining about intellectual theft that is rampant today. There is a new site, which I am sure you are aware of, that is going crazy viral and is almost all rip-offs of products. In the craft field, there are many people who have stated that they "are not rich" and justify buying these cheap supplies. It is a sad state of affairs. Thank you for standing up for the people who have put so much time, effort and money to develop the supplies that we all know and love.
Trying my best. Some just want stuff and to not think about ethics, but some care about those things. I hope I win over at least a few😍 Feel free to share the video anytime.
I suspect I watched the viral video you mentioned that led to me purching the Honolulu B set. I was frustrated with my copics seeming to be drying out in rapid succession and wanted a better option. There are things I liked about the ohuhu markers but the color names drive me bonkers.
But at least now you know its not just you, lol.
I’m like other commenters, not an artist just want some light colored alcohol markers for stamp coloring. My light set is perfect for this. I have a small copic collection, the Ohuhu work perfectly with them and cannot beat the price point. I’ve found the brush nib to be comparable to the copic nib. I do recommend these markers to any entry level crafter.
If you’re comfortable with human rights violations, you’re entirely able to make that recommendation 😍
@@SandyAllnock1 you cannot say with 100% certainty that other more expensive brands are free from this either. Hasn’t the clothing industry taught us this?
@@klindstrom3762 I do know the locations that mid and higher range are made in have laws that get enforced-you’re right I don’t know individual company practices, but when something it this cheap, and they’re made in a corrupt Govt/biz environment, the chances are super high there’s something very off.
@@SandyAllnock1 Keep sticking to your guns …you are correct. I refused to buy knock-offs from someone who had workshops. This person knew they were knock-offs because she said the suppliers would be closed and she would have to look elsewhere. I no longer go the workshops. btw/I came to you from Amy R at Prairie Paper & Ink who mentioned your channel today when one of her viewers asked her if she would buy Ohuhu markers. She said she agreed with everything you said and would never purchase them.
@@Lainers2000 thanks. Boy did having an opinion upset some folks🤣
Oh my gosh, I can't believe how 'timely' this video is for me. I have been 'mad' at my Copics (lol) due to the newer ones drying out and I hate the new refills. Anyway, I was sucked into the 'viral ohuhu video', along with a bunch of video's recommending these markers. Ohuhu sent sample bags out to a bunch of youtubers. The set is in my cart @ Amazon and I just haven't pulled the trigger yet...phew, I must have been waiting for you. Thanks Sandy, I'm going to check out the Sketch Markers ... still mad at Copic ... hee hee 🙂
I think everyone is mad at them 🤣 I keep hoping they’ll hear the masses and fix what’s wrong 🤷🏼♀️
You are right. Copics are very cheap made. I would never ever touch these anymore. Not only they dry, even before used, but they dry your pocket, also.
People are snobs, they will never admit the truth after spending thousands of dollars on something that costs nothing. How come Ohuhu makes better body and caps that keep the ink not drying for years, but Copics dry in a few months (each marker costs $8)? Shame on them. Really!
I am pretty loyal to Copics. I grew from Spectrum Noir (which I still have). There are SO many of these budget markers out nowadays. So hard for newbies to tell what is what. A deal is not always a good deal.
It is a good deal. Copics are shamefully overpriced, cheap made, don't close very well and dry your money out.
@@TheSundayCall actually, mo. I have had my Copics for years with no issues. To each his own.
@@lisamiller1543 I can read comments. People share the exact same problem. It is not only me, and there is no marker in this universe that can cost $8 each! Robbery!
@@TheSundayCall Actually, I've never had a Copic pen dry out...and always buy on sale. You usually get what you pay for.
@@TheSundayCall agreed. I had a small set of Copics (because they're way overpriced) and both of the reds and an orange dried up in no time. Maybe it's the red ink. Not sure but these are not for anyone who is dabbling. Way too expensive if you just want to try the medium.
Sandy, one of the things that I really admire and appreciate about you as a human being is your honesty, your advocacy for right over wrong and you’re absolutely superb communication skills! This video should be a must see! A few years ago when THAT website showed up there was a wave of videos, imploring people to support American stamp companies unless they end up having to go out of business because of everybody running to THAT website I think it is great that you’ve repeated that message. THANK YOU!!!
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Ugh, I was convinced that you would never make a hex chart for these markers, so I just finished creating my own (for the 120 & pastel set). I would have gladly paid for yours. I might still, especially if I decide to get more. Thanks for the effort!
I was convinced, too! I wasn’t about to give these people a couple hundred bucks… but after that viral video, I decided to use the chart as fundraising for human rights. And some kids will benefit from the markers. 😍
Bravo!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Thank you for the chart. I’ve never understood Ohuhu with their color families. I tell people in the long run you’ll save more just buying Copics then chasing Ohuhus and markers like them. From the color range to nibs, they drive you bonkers lol😂
I am trying to find a hex chart for the 120 Oahu set desperately!
I would have to buy another set to do that, and I just cannot. Sorry.
Ohuhu is the best for those that use it and can afford it. Ohuhu is mostly for beginners and kids, because parents, in this economy, cannot afford Copics , OLO or sketch markers. At least they have individual markers, refills and replaceable nibs (selling on their website) and won’t dry out (I now have 25 Copic sketch markers like that) and end up in a landfill. FYI, not all Copic colours match their caps either. Thank you for creating their hex chart, a lot of people will find it useful, such as myself. Those children or adults will benefit from your donation. God bless and keep creating. 💜💛💙
A big problem is that the viral video told everybody that these are better than high-quality markers, and I couldn’t let that go. It’s one thing if people said these are for children and people’s expectations would be managed, but that’s not what’s happening 😢
This is a bit much. Washed my hair with Albero V05 for years or Suave strawberry and I can happily report I am not harboring a toxic waste facility on my head. 😂
Haven't heard of sarcasm eh?🤣🤣🤣
@@SandyAllnock1 right back at ya! ;)
People talk about Ohuhu all the time and I always wonder why nobody uses or talk about Finecolour. I use this and find it to be the closest dupe to Copic. A thousand times better than Ohuhu and with even better color selection.
I’ve never heard of them 🤷🏼♀️
I'm sooo glad I didn't buy those markers! Thanks for your review.
You are so welcome!🤗
How do you copyright a shape?
It’s the shape with color system.
So first I'd like to say, I appreciate your research. It seems you put in a lot of time with it. When you indicated that the Ohuhu markers are "not good" because of the price, this are my thoughts....what if, what if Copics are just severely over charging us? What if none of us actually know the true cost of making these markers. Many artists are just starting out and can not afford Copics or the other two you discussed. Many are working for free for other companies in hopes to make money on their art one day. The nib critiques are all subjective. There isn't a right and wrong nib, it's all a matter on what works for you. Now I agree, Temu is awful. They steal so much from so many people. Ohuhu, to me is a great alternative to alcohol markers. They now have refills and replacement nibs. I see nothing wrong. If we gotta deal with inaccurate color caps and names to save the 💲💲💲 then i think that's a fair trade. They do come with a swatch chart.
So Sandy it looks like most of your comments are from people who largely or completely agree with you. I don't. I'll explain why to you in the same way you explained to us how knock off products get it done so cheap by comparison. My first point is to parallel to the argument in support of piracy; it's not theft because I was never going to be a paying customer so no money was lost. Copic markers are $8 a piece. The Blick studio markers I have (24 of them) are still quite expensive. In order for me to get a good set of blending groups for ROYGBV + portraits + neutrals in Copic or Blicks or Sketch I'd be spending hundreds of dollars minimum. I'm a filthy casual coloring junky but I'm pretty good at it. I don't have that kind of money for Copics. I was never going to be their customer. I use at least 60 colors per coloring page usually, and the set changes every page I do. I've probably used 200+ of my Ohuhu 320 set. I'd have spend thousands on a similar set of Copics. Consider that what you're suggesting is tantamount to poor-shaming people. "Cant' afford a Ferrari? Then don't get a fast car! Your old Camaro cut corners. It shouldn't exist". What I'll say is keep in mind that we're all in different financial places in life.
Edit - Also I'm getting the hex chart you made. I think it's excellent. And I like the valid criticisms that you offered about their color system.
I’m not at all worried about Copic losing money. They’ve got gobs of it. I’m just applying the same standard to intellectual property theft as I apply to theft of, say, stamps from a one-person shop. No one creating an art product, big or small, should have their product stolen and remanufactured by someone else. It’s an ethical not financial argument.
@@SandyAllnock1 Yeah this is a more existential crisis for the small shops I think and I agree your argument is grounded in ethics at the end of the day. But you're looking from the supply-side. I'm looking from the consumer-side. What I mean is the financial barriers can provide as gate keepers for poor people quite often. And often they have to find creative ways to enjoy TV, movies, video games, and even art supplies with very few dollars to cover all their life costs. A lot of people are just subsisting. So what Ohuhu provides is an opportunity for someone in a hardship situation to enjoy alcohol marker art who would otherwise not be able to participate. There isn't a right answer. Just different perspectives. Excellent video.
Edit: Also I'm about half way done with your hex sheet and I plugged it on the r/Ohuhu subreddit and people are interested!
@@TheMadscientist1980 thanks for helping folks connect w the chart❤️
I still stick w my ethical principles. I can’t afford Netflix and hbo etc so I make do with plain cable. I’m not entitled to things outside my price range because some must-haves like health insurance take up my money. Sure I could cheat and skate on someone else’s Netflix but-it’s not a must-have. Art supplies aren’t a necessity. Plenty of mediums cost a fraction of markers and can be just as fun and fulfilling🤟🏼
@@SandyAllnock1keep making solid art content. I like your channel
@@TheMadscientist1980 thx. Glad you’re here!
How in the world can not find a blending group?
Yeah, $6 for this chart... You cant even buy one Copic for $6. You should charge more.
I prefer not to have a numbering system. Copics are like having to have a degree in Math.