Does she support equality or female supremacy? I wonder if she accepts women are better at multi-tasking- while many women are quick to point out aspects of female superiority they would do well to accept aspects of natural/evolved male advantage too; men and women, we are different and complementary. Nature as well as nurture is important. The Polgar sisters benefited from unusual nurture but also had intelligent parents.
@@mizofan and more importantly: no one is saying the skill difference is biological in origin and has anything to do with inherent intelligence. There are many other factors involved.
Except for Judit Polgar, and now 29-year-old Valentina Gunina who just beat Short at Gibraltar. Stick to memorizing chess lines Nigel, because your intellect fails miserably outside that narrow discipline.
T Riddle For all those hyperventilating feminists out there let's have a look at the definition of 'sexism':'Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.'Stating a fact is not 'prejudice'. And the fact is that the overwhelming majority of men play better chess than women, just as it is a fact that Judit Polgar - and she alone - can beat 99% (or even more) of all male players. But any general statement deals with general facts, not rare exceptions. Cornered by the interviewer's questions (almost cringing in a way sometimes) Nigel ventures onto the dangerous grounds of drawing analogies and making other statements that are difficult to substantiate, also when he praises women. ('Women have better verbal skills' he says. Proof, please?) It would have been safer not to stray from the original statement, that men simply play chess a lot better. Anyway I'm sure the late Bobby Fischer - who was not so gentlemanly as Nigel Short - would have given this matter very short shrift...
mark boggs Not at all, Bobby wasn't a feminazi, and would blame the Jews for feminist morons that are triggered by simple facts. Judit Polgar is an exception, but the average female GM would lose to a male NM. No joke. But oh no, these rare exceptions like Judit Polgar mean that woman are not only equal, but better at chess chirps the feminists.
+RandomDude 102 but all statements like "men are better at chess" are doing is discrediting the rare exceptions like judit. they're unnecessary and i've never understood what the point of throwing them out there is.
j e F f I never said that all men are better at chess than women. I said that men at the highest level are usually better then women. Let's be real, the strongest woman player is only no. 65 in the world, and she's the only woman in the top 100's.
women by statistics are worse than men in chess and the organization has been trying to make them look better by letting them have a division on their own, just like in body building, Martial arts, powerlifting, car racing, etc. I guess this makes the point clear
It is exactly as Short said, and the general execution he suffered for it only shows abundantly what the ideological situation is today. Reason, truth, willingness to reality - absent in today's world of "Gen Y/Z". The evil rebel and his like are silenced, and that's all that matters.
Grand-master Short is not being attacked here because he said something that is not true. He's being attacked because he's a male saying this.When female Grand-master Hou Yifan said basically the same thing (October 2019?) which Grand-master Short said, nobody batted an eye. I've tried to find a video showing this Sky News reporter (or anyone else!) attacking Hou Yifan about it, but i couldn't find any video !!!
It's ridiculous to say that women aren't as good at chess than men Because of sexism as if someone is forcing women to play certain losing moves in their games
It has to do with how women are brought up. In Saudi Arabia, women aren't allowed to drive. In other places, women aren't even allowed outside the house. Then there is the case that few countries educate their females. Sexism around the world does lead to a smaller pool of women that could participate in the tournaments he plays in.
orlock20 thats not sexism (obviously excluding places like Saudi Arabia, but to my knowledge there aren't really any male grandmasters from Saudi Arabia either so that is pretty irrelevant) the same way women aren't usually brought to love chess men aren't usually brought to express emotion or go in to fields like nursing (and that is if I except your premise that the field people go in to in adulthood is dictated by nurture as apposed to nature which is a premise I am not convinced is true). But even if I except that premise men still usually end up with the much shitier jobs that are much more physical and/or stressful in nature so if any body should be complaining it should be men.
@@orlock20 NOT in the western world. Do females have strengths that males don't? Everyone agrees with that idea don't they? Until people have the strength of character to admit that men & women are different all is lost. The idea that millions of yrs of evolution stops at the neck is laughable. I'm beyond tired of left conspiracy theories to explain differences.
It's ridiculous to say that women aren't as good at chess as men because of sexism, as if someone is forcing women to play certain losing moves in their games.*
Dee Blan there are women’s titles to encourage women to participate more in the competitive chess scene, since there are disturbingly few active female chess players, because *gasp* of the ungrounded sexism that runs rampant among the chess community. Taking a look around the comments section of this video is a nice exhibition of that sexism.
I'd love to have a conversation with Kasparov and the British Biologist James Watson. Watson: “There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically,” Watson wrote. “Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.” As for women, “Anyone sincerely interested in understanding the imbalance in the representation of men and women in science must reasonably be prepared at least to consider the extent to which nature may figure in, even with the clear evidence that nurture is strongly implicated.”
This should be taken as an invitation for more women to learn to play the game. Not to abide by the interviewer's ignorance of the subject--"I don't play chess"--or even to defy this guy. . .but because it's a fun, beautiful game, and it's good for the mind.
Funny at the end when she challenges him to a game. She thinks she can learn chess, get a bit of practice and then take on one of the world's top grand masters. Even a man wouldn't be able to do that.
I loved that bit. Nigel can take on her and a hundred more amateurs with time odds and blindfold. People don't realise the strength of a 2600+ FIDE ELO player.
@@uzaidgurjee4798 not really some of tge comment section are salty like him in the video. He just got defeated by a btter player that is a women yet he keep saying men are better when he forget individual skills is a better bases then gender.
It's funny how he's walking on eggshells the whole video. the man is stuttering a lot and can barely get his words out, one wrong thing said and he would be canceled...
it's called statistics and it has nothing to do with enjoining or not enjoying the game, the real questions is why people take simple statistics like it's some sort of personal offence on them ??
I am correct in reading that Mr. Short was beaten in a chess game against Judit Polgar? I'm not surprised because she also beat Karpov. Of course she is a towering exception in the field of chess.
At the end she said, "Well I don't play, but this will give me incentive and when I get good I'll come back and we'll have a game". That's a laugher because the odds on that woman coming back to beat Nigel Short in an actual time pressure game is probably somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 to one odds.
Exactly. At the end of the day, Magnus (current male GM) has beaten Polgar (current female gm) and Polgar has beaten Magnus, they're both good and I'd piss myself *equally* playing either of them
@@devertz995 well to be fair Polgar was a remarkable exception. she was way stronger than the current top female players. for example in 2016 Short while already in his 50s beat Yi Fan at her peak rating
This is an interesting point, perhaps its the same reason there are so few exceptional female composers, scientists, engineers and artists - how many women are in the league of Van Gogh or Einstein for their given fields etc?
Chess Tec Look for "Neil Tyson on being black and woman in science". Short is authority when it comes to chess, everything else he is just anybody giving an uninformed opinion.
Sure mate making a totally different league and series of tournaments specifically for women so that they could stop getting crushed by men is so sexist.
Tasneem Ahemd, he’s not really right about that, both genders do better in certain parts of science and math. Chess on the other hand is better suited to men.
the truth is bitter, the news achor couldnt accept it. My math teacher was a woman, she was phenomenal at solving math problems, a lousy teacher but mathematical genius. A few years completing uni i realised i had become equal if not better than her.
Your math teacher at grade school was not a mathematical genius. Good at math, sure. Not a genius. How many published papers did she have? At least more than 50 if we're talking genius.
they are not worse, in my opinion lots of women think chess is not interesting, maybe that's why there are fewer women chess player and (for now) there has not been higher rated women chess player than men chess player.
Yes, she's an idiot. I generally believe that there are reasons other than natural ability as for why men are seen as better, but the interviewer is not helping.
The way these people are phrasing their comments and talking down to women is the very reason so many extreme-feminists exist. If people could just think less of gender and more of teamwork the world would be so much happier
But don't women also make things about gender nowadays everytime they excel? It happens on both sides, is just that a great sum of women are more soft when it comes to these things and resort to the extremes👌
Its the same way with shogi (japanese chess). The highest ranked women simply aren't as good as the highest ranked men. Its weird that it is since chess is a purely cerebral game but it just is for whatever reason
I don't know why he was criticised for stating a simple fact. If women were AS GOOD as men, they would end all female only tournaments, but they won't because if they do, no woman will ever obtain another GM title. "And we don't want them to feel bad so we made a system where women can get titles even if they aren't strong enough compared to men".
It’s because the talent pool is really small. For a long time chess was a male only sport so women weren’t encouraged to play chess. They made those separate leagues to build up more of a talent pool.
@@Randomguy-nr6qr Mate why is it so difficult to say men and women are different…. We are different physically. We are also different mentally our brains are hard wired different through evolution to survive. A women will never be world chess champion
@@Randomguy-nr6qr except on average, even with the small percentage of women, the average male is still better, not taking into account the fact that there are more men. even when scaled, the average man is still more talented.
@@uatom That's untrue. First off, women are strongly discouraged from playing chess, and on average, female players experience significantly greater harassment. Men will perform better since there will be less discouragement and greater incentive to study. Second, there is no evidence from research that the typical guy is a better chess player. Please provide the references for such a claim. According to your reasoning, women are smarter than males since they often achieve higher academic standards. Your claim is false and disregards environmental influences.
I am not a feminist, but the difference between the average male 100 meters time and the female 100 meters time is 1.7 seconds. Why all the bickering and agonizing? Such a waste of energy.
Only 3 women have ever made it in the global chess 100 list. We can safely assume we're not getting a female chess champion any time soon.....or to be more realistic....NEVER.
@@ginger942 No one said they're dumb. They're just not as smart as the men are in chess. That's why we have separate male and female chess tournaments.
It could only go 3 ways. Either men are better, women are better or they are both roughly the same. Not really many outcomes and not really a big deal.
"Women Are Worse Players Than Men" ... well, it's true. There have been 3 female players in the top 100 in history. Sorry if that is not pc. What is the next thing to get offended about, average height? Strength? Which sex is more agressive?
All of these people saying that it has to do with how girls are raised, rather than an inherent difference between males and females, look at the Polgar sisters, who were raised from a very early age to be chess players. Polgar has beaten Nigel, but she can't touch the men's world champion. She might win a game, but overall is dominated. There are actual differences between women and men, no matter how much people try to pretend it is down to environment.
Judit herself had peaked at world #8! At her peak, I would not say that she would have been dominated. I agree that she does not stand a chance against the current World Champion Magnus Carlsen, but neither do most males players either. The likes of Magnus, and Alireza for example, are rare generational findings. There are likely other females far more talented than Judit to come, but we will hardly ever know if they are not exposed to chess. That is where the statistical argument comes from. If fewer females are exposed to chess, then we are less likely to find such a rare generational talent.
So if there is no difference between men and women, why don't they just mix the men and women together, and make it where the men have to play the women? Why have a woman's chess champion? Why have a men's chess champion? Just put them all together. Problem solved. Or is it?
it's true our brains are a bit different, and maybe women generally speaking aren't as good as men at chess, but why should this be a topic of discussion at all? Should women not be allowed to play chess because of this? what's the point in all of this?
Exactly, and the reporter even just ask his opinion. The reporter was just curious because he was defeated by a more skilled player that is a women yet he just keep saying that men are better than women whe He just got defeated by a women. He just contradict the very idea that indivial skills matter not the sex but INDIVIDUAL SKILLS!
I think it comes down to the fact that this is being brought up a lot. Not just in chess, but in pretty much every area (except from obvious ones like hockey etc) where women do worse than men, there tends to be a lot of complaining. To answer your question.. of course they should be allowed to play.
The best way for women chess players to demonstrate that they are the equal of their male counterparts is to be able to compete with them - something which they have continually been able to do ever since competitions began. At that we can either begin to work out the reasons why or else lie and pretend that the reality is otherwise. Short is in the former camp no doubt the right on media is in the latter. I would say that sexism is the sole preserve of the latter camp.
Something that nobody objects to, is that women supposedly have it harder and chess environment is a sexist one. True, chess is sexist, but in extreme favour to women. Women are encouraged by small age, they get the best trainers, more prizes, more medals, more opportunities to play in relation to their strength, more scholarships in universities due to chess, etc. Also the bad jokes among men are incredibly harsh when they are directed to men. Some times they are downright illegal and they are offered casually with huge laughs. And men are men enough to take them all in and respond on the board to silence opposition, while women NEVER have to do that because everybody is so courteous to them and their fragile psyche, either in fear that they are going to be discouraged or they just want to have sex with them as there is no other chance anywhere in a 2km radius around a chess board.
@@cormacmacaongusa which part is wrong. Maybe it's different in your country. Also let me know your FIDE elo and title so I know we are talking seriously.
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20. i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically their number/s
@@nicbentulan Its chess, not bikini contest. In the top 100 players I believe there are one or two women. In bikini contest there are one or two men per 100 women
@@Iwillpeerintotheeyesofyoursoul We aren't usually the ones that handle dishwashing. We are engineers; We are doctors/surgeons; We are scientists; We are mathematicians; We are technologists. WE ARE BETTER!
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20. i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically their number/s
I agree that she'd likley never beat Nigel, but there are definitely female chess players out there who could. Polgar beat Magnus recently, stranger things have happened at sea
now i know that it is because i am fat shaming that i can't be a grandmaster. pffff and also the reason why messi is better than me in football. i mean if it wasn't for that i would be the best.
men on the whole are more logical, they make better mathematicians, scientists, engineers, architects, inventors, chess players, Formula 1 drivers, pretty much everything other than having babies
there are many women mathematicians and engineers and inventors. But they are fewer than men because for a long time women were denied education. But if that wouldn't have happened, they would be equal.
Lmao dude.He is Nigel short who was the third highest rated player at his peak and also played a world championship against the world champion Garry kasparov
Women think differently than men. One isn't necessarily better than the other. This game is made more for spatial thinkers. I'm not crying every night about it. There are more effective ways of measuring intelligence. I wouldn't waste my time.
Your right, chess isn't an accurate way of measuring intelligence, however truth is in chess there is usually only one top move ( there are multiple ) but at many times throughout the game there is only one very good move, no other options. Both males and females as human beings are capable of finding that move, the problem is however women aren't encouraged to play chess. This is where experience outplays the woman players, and why men are better at chess, not being sexist - but anyone is capable of finding good moves.
An old story,: Girks want to know what the boys are doing in the tree house and demand access to the treehouse. Get access, but demand a safe climb into the treehouse. Girls get in the treehouse and don't like what they see so make it more to their liking. Boys move out of treehouse and do something else. When treehouse falls apart, girls wonder what the boys are doing and demand access to the boys' new activity, which isn't safe enough for them AD NAUSIEM
On a number of occasions, Nigel Short stood up for the rights of women, like he stood up for the rights of players in general. To name a few, he opposed having the FIDE Women's Grand Prix in Iran and then the Women's World Championship in Iran where even during play, all the female participants had to wear a hijab. He opposed having the World Rapid and Blitz in Saudi Arabia and managed to change the country in future years, where players from Israel were not allowed to participate. All he said was that women are DIFFERENT to men, and pure facts that in the top 100 players in the world, only 2 were female, Judit Polgar and Hou Yifan. This is a fact, not an opinion.
The gap exist. If the reason is not the difference between female and male then what? I would like to hear an other reason. Are women (average) lasier then man (average)? It would be really surprising as I see the opposite generally.
@@alainportant6412 Not an exception, LOL. The person is just speaking about Polgar beating the world champs once but doesn't consider the number of times she couldn't win against them because every one of those champions managed to win more times than she did against them. She faced Carlsen and won games vs. him two times, and then she lost 10/11 times, keeping in mind that Carlsen had far less experience than her by the time he faced her, as he is far younger. In classical chess, Carlsen is undefeated from her, 2-0.
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20. i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically their number/s
The highest rated woman beats a man who is not the highest rated man and the Female Journalist concludes women are just as good.
Does she support equality or female supremacy? I wonder if she accepts women are better at multi-tasking- while many women are quick to point out aspects of female superiority they would do well to accept aspects of natural/evolved male advantage too; men and women, we are different and complementary. Nature as well as nurture is important. The Polgar sisters benefited from unusual nurture but also had intelligent parents.
Daniel Manahan idiotic kind of thinking on her part
Ask them to play magnus Carlson
short was challenger of kasparov in 90s, polgar did not even qualified for candidates tournament. short > polgar
@@mizofan and more importantly: no one is saying the skill difference is biological in origin and has anything to do with inherent intelligence. There are many other factors involved.
she can't handle the *truth*.
Malcolm Anthony what truth?
One Love Did she deny that?
Except for Judit Polgar, and now 29-year-old Valentina Gunina who just beat Short at Gibraltar. Stick to memorizing chess lines Nigel, because your intellect fails miserably outside that narrow discipline.
hou yifan is also a very strong player, rly there are very good woman players the thing is that there are just more legendary male GMs.
Malcolm Anthony question, what was the point in commenting that, was it to make men feel better, to make women feel bad, honestly I’m curious, why?
Embarrassing. Truly terrible interview from Sarah.
Judit Polgar has never been Women's World Champion as she chooses not to compete in women-only events.
Respect
Judith Polgar = badass
Correct. The World Champion was her sister Zsuzsa.
Judit Polgar met Bobby Fischer, invited him to her home, and they became good friends. Fischer admired her chess ability.
I heard that she has beaten Magnus Carlsen.
Chess performance because of sexism. What a load of bollocks.
T Riddle For all those hyperventilating feminists out there let's have a look at the definition of 'sexism':'Sexism or gender discrimination is prejudice or discrimination based on a person's sex or gender.'Stating a fact is not 'prejudice'. And the fact is that the overwhelming majority of men play better chess than women, just as it is a fact that Judit Polgar - and she alone - can beat 99% (or even more) of all male players. But any general statement deals with general facts, not rare exceptions.
Cornered by the interviewer's questions (almost cringing in a way sometimes) Nigel ventures onto the dangerous grounds of drawing analogies and making other statements that are difficult to substantiate, also when he praises women. ('Women have better verbal skills' he says. Proof, please?) It would have been safer not to stray from the original statement, that men simply play chess a lot better.
Anyway I'm sure the late Bobby Fischer - who was not so gentlemanly as Nigel Short - would have given this matter very short shrift...
Richard Meulders. Bobby would have blamed the Jews for women being bad at chess. :D
mark boggs Not at all, Bobby wasn't a feminazi, and would blame the Jews for feminist morons that are triggered by simple facts. Judit Polgar is an exception, but the average female GM would lose to a male NM. No joke. But oh no, these rare exceptions like Judit Polgar mean that woman are not only equal, but better at chess chirps the feminists.
+RandomDude 102 but all statements like "men are better at chess" are doing is discrediting the rare exceptions like judit. they're unnecessary and i've never understood what the point of throwing them out there is.
j e F f I never said that all men are better at chess than women. I said that men at the highest level are usually better then women. Let's be real, the strongest woman player is only no. 65 in the world, and she's the only woman in the top 100's.
women by statistics are worse than men in chess and the organization has been trying to make them look better by letting them have a division on their own, just like in body building, Martial arts, powerlifting, car racing, etc. I guess this makes the point clear
It is exactly as Short said, and the general execution he suffered for it only shows abundantly what the ideological situation is today. Reason, truth, willingness to reality - absent in today's world of "Gen Y/Z".
The evil rebel and his like are silenced, and that's all that matters.
@@germanchris4440he suffered because he’s an idiot
Grand-master Short is not being attacked here because he said something that is not true. He's being attacked because he's a male saying this.When female Grand-master Hou Yifan said basically the same thing (October 2019?) which Grand-master Short said, nobody batted an eye. I've tried to find a video showing this Sky News reporter (or anyone else!) attacking Hou Yifan about it, but i couldn't find any video !!!
And he also seems to be correct.
It’s straight sexism while she at the same time accuses him of it
It's ridiculous to say that women aren't as good at chess than men Because of sexism as if someone is forcing women to play certain losing moves in their games
It has to do with how women are brought up. In Saudi Arabia, women aren't allowed to drive. In other places, women aren't even allowed outside the house. Then there is the case that few countries educate their females. Sexism around the world does lead to a smaller pool of women that could participate in the tournaments he plays in.
orlock20 thats not sexism (obviously excluding places like Saudi Arabia, but to my knowledge there aren't really any male grandmasters from Saudi Arabia either so that is pretty irrelevant) the same way women aren't usually brought to love chess men aren't usually brought to express emotion or go in to fields like nursing (and that is if I except your premise that the field people go in to in adulthood is dictated by nurture as apposed to nature which is a premise I am not convinced is true). But even if I except that premise men still usually end up with the much shitier jobs that are much more physical and/or stressful in nature so if any body should be complaining it should be men.
Rafi
Women could have a ritch housband and play chess all day, but usually they shop insted.
@@orlock20 NOT in the western world. Do females have strengths that males don't? Everyone agrees with that idea don't they? Until people have the strength of character to admit that men & women are different all is lost. The idea that millions of yrs of evolution stops at the neck is laughable. I'm beyond tired of left conspiracy theories to explain differences.
It's ridiculous to say that women aren't as good at chess as men because of sexism, as if someone is forcing women to play certain losing moves in their games.*
I mean...he's right.
There's a women's grandmaster rank for a reason.
And a women's....everything else.
Dee Blan there are women’s titles to encourage women to participate more in the competitive chess scene, since there are disturbingly few active female chess players, because *gasp* of the ungrounded sexism that runs rampant among the chess community. Taking a look around the comments section of this video is a nice exhibition of that sexism.
@@adamcatto3109 On AVERAGE, though, men are better than woman at chess. This is fact.
@Big Boof because they have been oppressed for years and only now able to do the things they weren't sometimes LEGALLY able to do.
@Jazzkeyboardist1 yeah nat king Cole a national level tennis player beat an amateur male and declared it a win for women.
I guess nobody want to lose half of their life to master the game and beat some douchebags
Stating the obvious. By the way, Kasparov said the same thing.
Of course he did, he was also a sexist asshole.
Skaffen, he was right.
If any woman spend enough time to master the game she will beat them but I guess nobody like to lose half of their life to some game
@@skaffen sexist? Nah that's just facts
I'd love to have a conversation with Kasparov and the British Biologist James Watson.
Watson:
“There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically,” Watson wrote. “Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so.” As for women, “Anyone sincerely interested in understanding the imbalance in the representation of men and women in science must reasonably be prepared at least to consider the extent to which nature may figure in, even with the clear evidence that nurture is strongly implicated.”
She doesnt realize that her example of driving supports the idea that man are better chess players😂😂😂
and theres no way that presenter went on to even try to learn chess, i promise.
Couldn't get out the kitchen
Of course woman are worse chess players than man, there is no denying that. Why do people seem chocked about this fact?
I guess they're surprised that there's so much sexism in chess which is 99% of the reason why women are worse than men.
@@nicbentulanno lts cause they are less capable
@nicbentulan
Everything that has to do with men surpassing women in something is because of sexism. Sure.
This should be taken as an invitation for more women to learn to play the game. Not to abide by the interviewer's ignorance of the subject--"I don't play chess"--or even to defy this guy. . .but because it's a fun, beautiful game, and it's good for the mind.
Fast forward to today, trans players are banned because they were too good against women.
Interviewer: Are women bad chess players?
Bobby Fischer: Oh, they're terrible chess players!
lol that was 1961 / 1962. bobby updated that in 1971 / 1972
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@@nicbentulan cry
@@rahulterwade
About?
@@nicbentulanbc he wanted more poon?
@@blablablablablablablablablbla what?
It's not sexist if it's true
Funny at the end when she challenges him to a game. She thinks she can learn chess, get a bit of practice and then take on one of the world's top grand masters.
Even a man wouldn't be able to do that.
I loved that bit. Nigel can take on her and a hundred more amateurs with time odds and blindfold. People don't realise the strength of a 2600+ FIDE ELO player.
It was a joke, Jesus christ. Men suck at grasping allusions and understanding irony but to That extent?
Nigel will crush the female journalist like a squashed bug.
@@missAlice1990 Men are busy playing actual games.
@@missAlice1990 Sandy vagina much?
men have higher abilities to visualize geometric images in their minds
Guess I m a woman
@@roadtoonesubscriber4151 By this definition, I think I'm a man, something's gone wrong here
Guess the same, what a good definition of myself.
Agreed! Men also have higher abilities to visualize in their minds the curvy geometry of female anatomy.
@@ricardzubimendi7152 men are just smarter than women
I hate how if a women said the same thing about man this would be disliked
A lot of people disliked what he said.
@@uzaidgurjee4798 not really some of tge comment section are salty like him in the video. He just got defeated by a btter player that is a women yet he keep saying men are better when he forget individual skills is a better bases then gender.
So shes actively being agressive and still frames herself like the victom
Feelings vs Facts, the battle of our time.
It's funny how he's walking on eggshells the whole video. the man is stuttering a lot and can barely get his words out, one wrong thing said and he would be canceled...
Why can’t people just enjoy the game?theres no need to be sexist
Men can't function without being sexist.
@@Moody3863it’s just fax tho
Honestly I think this is stupid, why does it have to be the battle of the sexes, can people not just play and enjoy the game.
Ikr?!?
enjoy the game? chess is to be played with the focus to win. there is no enjoyment in winning a battle.
it's called statistics and it has nothing to do with enjoining or not enjoying the game, the real questions is why people take simple statistics like it's some sort of personal offence on them ??
@@caret4812 its the fact that people go out of their way to find facts that make other people look inferior to them
@@wormie077 it's feminists not Men
Sexism can be overcome by WINNING...yet women cant do this. Win and less talk
Incel
They dont have as many opportunities
The internalized mysogony really popped out here
@@jennavievegrowel feminist karen
I am correct in reading that Mr. Short was beaten in a chess game against Judit Polgar? I'm not surprised because she also beat Karpov. Of course she is a towering exception in the field of chess.
At the end she said, "Well I don't play, but this will give me incentive and when I get good I'll come back and we'll have a game". That's a laugher because the odds on that woman coming back to beat Nigel Short in an actual time pressure game is probably somewhere between 100,000 and 1,000,000 to one odds.
@jk7337 A joke that she wasn't in on...
r/woooooooooosh?
Lower odds than that taking up the game at her age.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, and pigs fly 😅. The second statement have a chance if we start thinking
"Did she bring her man brain that day" lollll
According to Judit Polgar's husband she brings her 'man brain' every day.
@@thelimey351 what
Men and Woman are different. Men and woman all has their strengths and weakness. We are not the same and in many things we are not equal.
Exactly. At the end of the day, Magnus (current male GM) has beaten Polgar (current female gm) and Polgar has beaten Magnus, they're both good and I'd piss myself *equally* playing either of them
@@cazzabojangles magnuss was beaten only one time , he beat her everytime
"Play in the junior league" hahahah I don't know how he held a straight face
Absolute hero
more men are willing to play chess........that's all
In Short he is saying women belongs to kitchen
Well stated by Short. An old school guy who says it as it is. These times need more people like him.
Fun fact is Judit Polgar at her prime was stronger than Short
@Maths and Science Now she's not playing anymore, but still she was stronger than him in the past. It's pretty obvious just check the stats.
Also Judit Polgar highest ELO was 2743, while Nigel Short 2712. Fun fact: She still plays like a girl, eh?
@@devertz995 well to be fair Polgar was a remarkable exception. she was way stronger than the current top female players. for example in 2016 Short while already in his 50s beat Yi Fan at her peak rating
So there are way more men playing chess, so its more likeable to have way more men in top 100. Its statistics.
This is an interesting point, perhaps its the same reason there are so few exceptional female composers, scientists, engineers and artists - how many women are in the league of Van Gogh or Einstein for their given fields etc?
Chess Tec Look for "Neil Tyson on being black and woman in science". Short is authority when it comes to chess, everything else he is just anybody giving an uninformed opinion.
Because of sexism...
A lot +1
@@Wtahc bruh
@@muslim2k it was a sarcastic comment in case that wasnt clear lol
FIDE is pretty sexist tbh not gonna lie
These comments are sexist.
So how is it... Tell us that great truth. Is fide itself responsible for the results women get?
FIDE's statistical reports don't care about your feelings.
Sure mate making a totally different league and series of tournaments specifically for women so that they could stop getting crushed by men is so sexist.
"It's like saying women aren't good at math, physics, or driving." Uh...they're not.
🤣
Shown me studies
Tasneem Ahemd, he’s not really right about that, both genders do better in certain parts of science and math. Chess on the other hand is better suited to men.
@@shaloamnenja12yearsago29 bet I could beat ya 😂
@@wormie077 wow what a powerful statement. What’s your rating anyways?
the truth is bitter, the news achor couldnt accept it. My math teacher was a woman, she was phenomenal at solving math problems, a lousy teacher but mathematical genius. A few years completing uni i realised i had become equal if not better than her.
Your math teacher at grade school was not a mathematical genius. Good at math, sure. Not a genius. How many published papers did she have? At least more than 50 if we're talking genius.
they are not worse, in my opinion lots of women think chess is not interesting, maybe that's why there are fewer women chess player and (for now) there has not been higher rated women chess player than men chess player.
The problem is that no woman has come even close.
Women arent as exposed either. My brother started playing chess at 12ish. I started at 15.
Dogmatic defensive feminist… she probably doesn’t even know the rules of the game.
Yes, she's an idiot. I generally believe that there are reasons other than natural ability as for why men are seen as better, but the interviewer is not helping.
FACTS DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS.
WOMEN DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, either.
@@nikmark01 white knight to the rescue
@@iamtheworm1327?
ME SHOWING UP TO COMMENT 2 YEARS LATER.
@Maths and Science "Don't think.. Feeeel !".
Mr Bruce Lee.
That's a hate fact. Those aren't allowed anymore. We banned those when we banned the word bossy.
"hate fact" that's pure stupidity
@@caret4812 good job not realizing the sarcasm.
The way these people are phrasing their comments and talking down to women is the very reason so many extreme-feminists exist. If people could just think less of gender and more of teamwork the world would be so much happier
But don't women also make things about gender nowadays everytime they excel? It happens on both sides, is just that a great sum of women are more soft when it comes to these things and resort to the extremes👌
@@readmore853 your comment gives Aria's comment a stronger case of truth...
Its the same way with shogi (japanese chess). The highest ranked women simply aren't as good as the highest ranked men. Its weird that it is since chess is a purely cerebral game but it just is for whatever reason
Well, Nigel explains it in the video, it's not so weird. Men and women's brains are hard wired differently.
It s because women are stipid
nigel short forever
That man deserves a pint 🍺
Two words: Judit Polgar.
@@BurritoAccess One number: 2735
He likes red wine. Also he acknowledged Judy
I don't know why he was criticised for stating a simple fact.
If women were AS GOOD as men, they would end all female only tournaments, but they won't because if they do, no woman will ever obtain another GM title.
"And we don't want them to feel bad so we made a system where women can get titles even if they aren't strong enough compared to men".
It’s because the talent pool is really small. For a long time chess was a male only sport so women weren’t encouraged to play chess. They made those separate leagues to build up more of a talent pool.
Also a lot of good chess schools refused to teach women so they have a lot less resources to get better at chess
@@Randomguy-nr6qr Mate why is it so difficult to say men and women are different…. We are different physically. We are also different mentally our brains are hard wired different through evolution to survive. A women will never be world chess champion
@@Randomguy-nr6qr except on average, even with the small percentage of women, the average male is still better, not taking into account the fact that there are more men. even when scaled, the average man is still more talented.
@@uatom That's untrue. First off, women are strongly discouraged from playing chess, and on average, female players experience significantly greater harassment. Men will perform better since there will be less discouragement and greater incentive to study. Second, there is no evidence from research that the typical guy is a better chess player. Please provide the references for such a claim. According to your reasoning, women are smarter than males since they often achieve higher academic standards. Your claim is false and disregards environmental influences.
So, is the fact that male athelets have sprinted below 10 sec in 100 meters, is also sexist cuz women athelets can't do that? or have ever did?
Yes, it is sexist - women were taught from a young age to run slower by the horrid patriarchy...🤣
I am not a feminist, but the difference between the average male 100 meters time and the female 100 meters time is 1.7 seconds. Why all the bickering and agonizing? Such a waste of energy.
@@dianablackman4528
1.7 second difference is a chasm
No, that's down to good old biological differences, we're not all that close-minded
polgar is beaten badly by carlsen, karpsov and many good men players
Until Polgar recently beat Carlsen!
No gender is smarter,its just that more men happen to be more experienced in chess then women.
"No gender is smarter."
IQ test results say otherwise.
Simple explanation for a lot of things... The percentage of very smart men is greater than the percentage of very smart women.
*Women are worse players*
10 years old me who won against the computer, my dad, and my male math teacher while playing cheese game:
*WTFFF???* 😐
Your laundrys going
Im a male I can easily beat every female in my chess club. Also its easy to beat a computer even when its playing at its best.
@@Tyreece190 have fun at the draft boy
Well done. Disregard the sexist comments
@@birchtree14 It seems that sexism is just a synonym for common sense these days.
Look up Nigel's record against female GrandMasters
Only 3 women have ever made it in the global chess 100 list. We can safely assume we're not getting a female chess champion any time soon.....or to be more realistic....NEVER.
youre right feminists have many fantasys just like their last netflix show
I agree with u but not this man in the video. I hope that makes sense
@@iwhatwasthelastnell8829 That's interesting.
The fact that there are few female competitors doesn't mean that they are dumb just because they are women!! That's the point!
@@ginger942 No one said they're dumb. They're just not as smart as the men are in chess. That's why we have separate male and female chess tournaments.
It could only go 3 ways. Either men are better, women are better or they are both roughly the same. Not really many outcomes and not really a big deal.
"Women Are Worse Players Than Men" ... well, it's true. There have been 3 female players in the top 100 in history. Sorry if that is not pc. What is the next thing to get offended about, average height? Strength? Which sex is more agressive?
Less women play chess.
@@sylvesteruchia5263 People are less interested in things they arent good at , its simple
@@elitecoder955 No, females were historically oppressed.
@@melissasaramunoz174 good excuse
@@miscerswetdream It's a fact. Women were not given an equivalent education to men. And this is sadly still the case in some countries.
All of these people saying that it has to do with how girls are raised, rather than an inherent difference between males and females, look at the Polgar sisters, who were raised from a very early age to be chess players. Polgar has beaten Nigel, but she can't touch the men's world champion. She might win a game, but overall is dominated. There are actual differences between women and men, no matter how much people try to pretend it is down to environment.
These people know jack💩 what they're talking about.
Judit herself had peaked at world #8! At her peak, I would not say that she would have been dominated. I agree that she does not stand a chance against the current World Champion Magnus Carlsen, but neither do most males players either. The likes of Magnus, and Alireza for example, are rare generational findings. There are likely other females far more talented than Judit to come, but we will hardly ever know if they are not exposed to chess. That is where the statistical argument comes from. If fewer females are exposed to chess, then we are less likely to find such a rare generational talent.
@@melissasaramunoz174 Check out their recent match!
As great as The Queen's Gambit was, it's pure feminist fantasy. We'll probably never see a female player that good.
how is it pure feminist lmao...
there will be many more great grandmasters, eventually one will have a vagina
He was beat by a woman.
@Timmy L The guy in the video.
@Timmy L This was from over a month ago. I do not remember. All I remember it he was beat by a woman in chess.
@@MontyQueues lol a powerful and funnu comment both at the same time. Too good
Lmao yall in the comments real chess incels
So if there is no difference between men and women, why don't they just mix the men and women together, and make it where the men have to play the women? Why have a woman's chess champion? Why have a men's chess champion? Just put them all together. Problem solved. Or is it?
Tgere are outside unofficial games where the best plays and yeah some women are in the top players.
Sky, living legend Judith Polgar is NOT former Women's World Champion. She avoided playing women whenever she could, because they are bad at chess?!
John Doe and she got destroyed by Magnus and other top level males every time.
Because chess is boring game and no other then sweaty nerds and pro players play it
@Maths and Science it's good balanced game but nobody can blame females for not playing it its one of the most boring things to do
@Maths and Science I played 3 years but it was so boring also idk why or how but there was one girls and he completely destroyed everybody
@@yodudeguygaming6347 At least she's won now Imao. Thoughts about female chess players aside, Judit is cracked
Nigel Short is absolutely right.
it's true our brains are a bit different, and maybe women generally speaking aren't as good as men at chess, but why should this be a topic of discussion at all? Should women not be allowed to play chess because of this? what's the point in all of this?
Exactly, and the reporter even just ask his opinion. The reporter was just curious because he was defeated by a more skilled player that is a women yet he just keep saying that men are better than women whe He just got defeated by a women. He just contradict the very idea that indivial skills matter not the sex but INDIVIDUAL SKILLS!
@Özgür Aydın Hou Yifan isn't in the top 100 rn? I find that very difficult to believe unless I'm having a brain fart rn
I think it comes down to the fact that this is being brought up a lot. Not just in chess, but in pretty much every area (except from obvious ones like hockey etc) where women do worse than men, there tends to be a lot of complaining. To answer your question.. of course they should be allowed to play.
The best way for women chess players to demonstrate that they are the equal of their male counterparts is to be able to compete with them - something which they have continually been able to do ever since competitions began. At that we can either begin to work out the reasons why or else lie and pretend that the reality is otherwise. Short is in the former camp no doubt the right on media is in the latter. I would say that sexism is the sole preserve of the latter camp.
It's just a fact. Just like computers are better than humans. Nothing else to add or to say.
Lol that’s a bad comparisons
That's a really stupid, and at times false, comparison bro but k.
Computers have better memory and more extensive storage than the human brain.
Something that nobody objects to, is that women supposedly have it harder and chess environment is a sexist one. True, chess is sexist, but in extreme favour to women. Women are encouraged by small age, they get the best trainers, more prizes, more medals, more opportunities to play in relation to their strength, more scholarships in universities due to chess, etc. Also the bad jokes among men are incredibly harsh when they are directed to men. Some times they are downright illegal and they are offered casually with huge laughs. And men are men enough to take them all in and respond on the board to silence opposition, while women NEVER have to do that because everybody is so courteous to them and their fragile psyche, either in fear that they are going to be discouraged or they just want to have sex with them as there is no other chance anywhere in a 2km radius around a chess board.
This is purely wrong
@@cormacmacaongusa which part is wrong. Maybe it's different in your country. Also let me know your FIDE elo and title so I know we are talking seriously.
It’s actually the crude reallity, its not sexysm
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20.
i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically
their number/s
@@nicbentulan Its chess, not bikini contest. In the top 100 players I believe there are one or two women. In bikini contest there are one or two men per 100 women
@@ChessPampawomen face rampant sa and sexism. Practically every female streamer in chess who has played otb will attest to that.
Women can't even wash the dishes these days.
FunE
Neither can men.
@@Iwillpeerintotheeyesofyoursoul
We aren't usually the ones that handle dishwashing. We are engineers; We are doctors/surgeons; We are scientists; We are mathematicians; We are technologists. WE ARE BETTER!
@@Iwillpeerintotheeyesofyoursoul We aren't supposed to
Nigel, dont waste your breath , shes not looking to be educated
Aren't like 99% of chess grandmasters male?
Brain stuff is nonsense. Women can be just as good if they want to be.
She is crazy and hes right
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20.
i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically
their number/s
why is the interviewer crazy?
@@nicbentulan
Copy N paste bichh
Prepare to be metoo'd for speaking the truth
He is jist being salty cause he was defeated by a women, why would he reply random stuff when the thing is he was defeated in the first place hahaha.
It doesn't matter who says it. The best male players consistently outperform the best female players. Its literally just common sense.
Theres not as many female chess players so that would even it out
@@huskylover8167 because females are less interested in logical constructions due to having lower cognitive abilities
Said the one who was recently defeated by a woman.
The thing is Short is spot on here with everything he says
She couldn’t beat Nigel short in her dreams. It takes thousands of hours to just be on a GM level. Plus she’s a woman
The fact she is a woman mean absolutely nothing if she wanted she could spend her life and be pro
@JL-CptAtom stfu
@@kzr_1613
Yes, she can be a pro, but nowhere near the top chess grandmasters.
@@kzr_1613
U need talent too. There are thousands of players who have been playing chess l their life and are only 1800
I agree that she'd likley never beat Nigel, but there are definitely female chess players out there who could. Polgar beat Magnus recently, stranger things have happened at sea
Beth harmon could beat this guy
was just a feminist fantasy though
@@vibritannia5491 am not a feminist, f u
Somehow they’ll say that the game of chess was “designed” for women to fail 😂
Bring on the triggered feminists.
@@kzr_1613 #average doesnt care for your 90%
@@ThePatrickBar ?
Well, we do like fighting misogynist ideas, videos like these are a beacon
I don't see what's controversial about this. I really don't
It's not a great look for women Imao
Chess is a game of strategic manipulation tactics, which men excel at....also, this dude was beaten by a woman in '94, Judith Polgar.
@youcefdemdoum2533
Beaten once, and she is also beaten 5/6 times by the same world champs
now i know that it is because i am fat shaming that i can't be a grandmaster. pffff and also the reason why messi is better than me in football. i mean if it wasn't for that i would be the best.
Now that's the spirit!
Wow this comment section is FILLED with incels great
Red pill by Nigel. He is right.
Meltdown -> 0:40
its actually not true
men on the whole are more logical, they make better mathematicians, scientists, engineers, architects, inventors, chess players, Formula 1 drivers, pretty much everything other than having babies
there are many women mathematicians and engineers and inventors. But they are fewer than men because for a long time women were denied education. But if that wouldn't have happened, they would be equal.
There are no great women mathematicians, scientists and so on. Wtf are u saying?
It's a fact as its provable... I cant remember women being great at pretty much anything
truli91 how is that a fact?
KARTIKEYA007 Yes there is
Who is this guy?… Is he even a real chess player or a paid actor since I have never seen him before.
Lmao dude.He is Nigel short who was the third highest rated player at his peak and also played a world championship against the world champion Garry kasparov
Women think differently than men. One isn't necessarily better than the other. This game is made more for spatial thinkers. I'm not crying every night about it. There are more effective ways of measuring intelligence. I wouldn't waste my time.
Your right, chess isn't an accurate way of measuring intelligence, however truth is in chess there is usually only one top move ( there are multiple ) but at many times throughout the game there is only one very good move, no other options. Both males and females as human beings are capable of finding that move, the problem is however women aren't encouraged to play chess. This is where experience outplays the woman players, and why men are better at chess, not being sexist - but anyone is capable of finding good moves.
An old story,: Girks want to know what the boys are doing in the tree house and demand access to the treehouse. Get access, but demand a safe climb into the treehouse. Girls get in the treehouse and don't like what they see so make it more to their liking. Boys move out of treehouse and do something else. When treehouse falls apart, girls wonder what the boys are doing and demand access to the boys' new activity, which isn't safe enough for them AD NAUSIEM
Are women just as good at billiards as men are?
No
On a number of occasions, Nigel Short stood up for the rights of women, like he stood up for the rights of players in general. To name a few, he opposed having the FIDE Women's Grand Prix in Iran and then the Women's World Championship in Iran where even during play, all the female participants had to wear a hijab. He opposed having the World Rapid and Blitz in Saudi Arabia and managed to change the country in future years, where players from Israel were not allowed to participate. All he said was that women are DIFFERENT to men, and pure facts that in the top 100 players in the world, only 2 were female, Judit Polgar and Hou Yifan. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Women dont qualify to even compete with the top chess players to have a chance! That is the truth
Statistically, he's correct. As from other pov, I'm not sure.
The gap exist. If the reason is not the difference between female and male then what? I would like to hear an other reason. Are women (average) lasier then man (average)? It would be really surprising as I see the opposite generally.
Women are a minority in chess and are often leaving it due to the misogyny and harassment from men.
Sad but true
Not true
This is just wrong and there's no debate
She doesn't get his point.
Because it's wrong
BASED
@Orthopox 13 Oh wow ! an exception to the rule. I guess we'll never hear the end of it, now.
@@alainportant6412
Not an exception, LOL. The person is just speaking about Polgar beating the world champs once but doesn't consider the number of times she couldn't win against them because every one of those champions managed to win more times than she did against them. She faced Carlsen and won games vs. him two times, and then she lost 10/11 times, keeping in mind that Carlsen had far less experience than her by the time he faced her, as he is far younger. In classical chess, Carlsen is undefeated from her, 2-0.
Clearly this guy hasn't checked his privilege.
Mate? Lol. How does this comment not have 100 likes. Quality keks... :D
@@markboggs746 this comment doesn't have 100+ likes for the same reason why women are so low rated compared to men: sexism
i can't believe some of these comments here and the amount of likes they're getting. some people in comments completely underrate the role sexism/lack of feminism has to do with women's chess and women's sports in general and yet nigel short actually doesn't necessarily do this. (wait gonna find a timestamp...) ah here. see 1:10 to 1:20.
i mean i'm not saying it's like sexism 99% and sex differences 1% but come on 99% sex differences and 1% sexism? not that anyone said 1% sexism though but whatever number they have in mind, i suspect it's lower than the real number. (then again, we'd have to do all that cramer rao lower bound on variance of an estimator and stuff to really check or something i guess.) but more importantly, i think it's lower than the number nigel short has in mind. basically
their number/s
Yes, the privilege of being better at chess.