Cantonese Pronunciation, Video 3: Cantonese Vowels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ค. 2016
- This is the third video in a four-part series on Cantonese pronunciation. The goal is to get familiar with the sounds of Cantonese and the IPA symbols. You'll then be able to learn them faster, either through your own studies or through my pronunciation trainers. More links below:
Flashcard Designs for Teaching Yourself Pronunciation: blog.fluent-forever.com/gallery/
My Pronunciation Trainers: fluent-forever.com/product/fl...
Anki Language Learning: ankilanguagelearning.com
More Anki Decks, including Pronunciation: speakada.com
Reddit's Anki Language Learning Community: / ankilanguagelearning
A super detailed discussion of the IPA: • Pronunciation Tutorial... - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
For those who cannot distinguish [œ] & [ɵ], it doesn't matter unless you have to transcript its Jyutping form.
Best tips for Jyutping:
[ɵ] only ends with [y] [n] [t] forming [eo]+[i/n/t]
[œ] only ends with [NULL] [ŋ] [k] forming [oe] & [oe] + [ng/k]
I think it does matter to make a distinction as it is a necessary allophonic variation. For example is you intent to say 詢 seon1 [sɵn˥] but you mistakenly ponounce [sœn˥] instead, to a native it would sound like you said 商 soeng1 but with a "lazy accent" and dropped the g at the end. But of course context can help. For example if I hear anything like [sœn˥]man6, instead of thinking 商問, which doesn't exist, I could guess that they meant seon1man6 詢問 but pronounced it poorly.
IPA for several vowels here is different compared to wikipedia
Thank you for Cantonese Vowels.
Thanks so much for this video! Honestly the best one I've come across for Cantonese vowels.
My biggest problem's been with hearing and producing [ɵ] properly. I'm familiar with [œ] from learning German, but couldn't even hear much of a difference between the two vowels for the longest time.
Can't produce [ɵ] properly yet, but I'm the closest I've been in two years after seeing your tongue placement diagrams.
Indeed, this is an excellent video for Cantonese learners, and even for native Cantonese speakers like me. I've learned some new stuff from this video even though I have studied Jyutping before.
I would say there is a minor but important error in this video where Tim incorrectly pronounced "seon3" /sɵn˧/ (信, letter) as "soeng1" /sœːŋ˥/ (箱, box). The difference will be obvious when you say 信箱 together, as in "mailbox": /sɵn˧ sœːŋ˥/.
The vowel is affected by the final consonant /n/ (front) and /ŋ/ (back), and hence the difference between:
* /ɵ/ (more closed because we have to close our mouth for /n/ right away), and
* /œ/ (more open because we keep our mouth open when there is no final consonant as in "hoe1" /hœː/ (靴, boots), or if it has a back consonant where we still keep our mouth open through the end, e.g. "hoeng1" /hœːŋ/ (香, fragrant) or "goek3" /kœːk̚/ (腳 feet).
He did pronounce "seot1" [sɵt̚˥] (蟀, cricket) absolutely correctly though, so that might help.
Oh, I stand corrected: at 12:17, Tim pronounced seon3 信 (letter) perfectly! He is saying the right word in the summary!
Eo is a sound I've never heard of before, except for maybe sounding a lot like oe.
I really do not hear a differents between oe and eo. Could you please tell me how to distinguise?
it's really helpful, thanks a lot!
We are happy to hear this was helpful! 😊
Can you, please, film a video about Hakka Chinese, its tones and syllables pronunciation, also spelling rules?
Hello there, we are not looking into recording more videos of this type but we do hope you'll find something useful to help you.
@@FluentForeverAppHello, you're right. I have found more Interesting for me.
im a native and i cant tell which is [œ] which is [ɵ] so i guess it doesn't really matter lol
Good catch! I would say there is a minor but important error in this video where Tim incorrectly pronounced "seon3" /sɵn˧/ (信, letter) as "soeng1" /sœːŋ˥/ (箱, box). The difference will be obvious when you say 信箱 together, as in "mailbox": /sɵn˧ sœːŋ˥/.
The vowel is affected by the final consonant /n/ (front) and /ŋ/ (back), and hence the difference between /ɵ/ (more closed) and /œ/ (more open).
He did pronounce "seot1" [sɵt̚˥] (蟀, cricket) absolutely correctly though.
Oh, I stand corrected: at 12:17, Tim pronounced seon3 信 (letter) perfectly! He is saying the right word in the summary!
To me, eo is like "uh" and oe is "fur" but tongue on the bottom
well, they can't occur in the same environment (and trying to do oen or eong is difficult)
I like this series of videos very much, and think this video will help many people to learn Cantonese. Can I upload this video to the Chinese video website "Bilibili" to help more Cantonese learners? I will not be used for commercial purposes. I will attach the name of the author of the video and a link to the video. After successful upload, I will reply to the address on Bilibili. I hope I can get your permission.
hey, you shouldnt use numbers to represent tones if you use ipa transcription. instead you should use the tone symbols like ˥ and ˧.
he doesn't actually pronounce [ɐ] distinctly from [a], when they should be. [ɐ] should be closer to an open schwa [ə̞] (English "uhh" but more open).
7:21 you pronounced [sœŋ] instead of [sɵt]
the explanation for the diphthongs is inaccurate, the Cantonese diphthongs don't go to the full vowel either, it's still just [eɪ] and [oʊ]
As a Cantonese speaker, I can say that the example used at 4:52 is wrong. Both examples are the long vowel: aa. A real example of a short "a" vowel in Cantonese is mak6 麥 (wheat) which has totally different different vowel than maak3 擘 (break apart). Not only do they differ in length, but also quality
Hi Vinvininhk, thank you for the feedback! We appreciate your information on this.