I have a complicated relationship with Doomsday Clock. On one level (as a DC fan), I find it to be extremely entertaining and well-written. On another (as a Watchmen fan), I fundamentally despise its existence.
I know how you feel. As someone who deeply respects Alan Moore I despise the whole watchmen “franchise”. The prequels, the movies, the tv show as well Doomsday Clock. But as a nililhist, I just really don’t care and more surprised it took this long for DC to pull this crap.
@@theunknowngamer5477 I would feel that way about Doomsday clock because of how awful and ungrateful it is to Watchmen. Doomsday clock bad HBO TV series good
Well as you see SJWs have basically ruined dc and marvel. Thank god for 2000AD who still makes good entertaining comics without forcing any leftist politics on me. I read comics to escape real world, not to be brainwashed by kelly sue decunts.
I really wish DC would just leave Watchmen alone. It doesn't need sequels or prequels. That being said I appreciate Johns' attempt to provide meta-commentary on how Watchmen has affected the superhero genre. That subplot regarding the conspiracy theory that the government is engineering superheroes may be a response to Alan Moore's last word on the genre in LOEG's final chapter, The Tempest. As I said, I appreciate what John's is trying to do, but I largely agree with your assessment that the final story is underwhelming.
This series could have been much more but Im at the age where im just starting to accept that the nature of the comic industry is self defeating to their story's. So going in I knew this wasnt going to blow my mind or really ask any philosophical questions but it was fun. I wish it had more moments of character interaction that mattered more and the fake super hero idea was taken farther but overall its not bad and just dumb enough that I can enjoy it for what it is.
Same thoughts. To be honest, I wish DC had left Watchmen alone. It's a different kind of story than mainstream DC, and trying to merge the Watchmen storyline with mainstream DC felt to me like a cringeworthy attempt at imitating the philosophical aspects of the original Watchmen comic.
Dr. Manhatten can only see past, present, and future in existing universes (or at least that's how I took it). He was so inspired by Superman that he decided to purposely splinter the metaverse to save it, thus creating a partellel universe that was undetected by Dr. Manhattan. Is it possible the earth in the metaverse was blown to pieces and the ending of the book was 2nd metaverse? Thats how I took it!
@@Tone_Of_Dials Absolutely. It's arguably the creative and ethical low DC comics. If you care at all about creator's rights It's supremely distasteful for reasons that hour long videos elsewhere on youtube cover. If you care at all about good writing and originality, it's the very opposite of that; instead it is extremely painful to read hacky fan fiction. The whole thing reads like Geoff Johns wishes he was much smarter, much better author than he is. This maxi-series absolutely served as a jumping off point for me, and I imagine I am hardly alone in that. I haven't given DC any money since this garbage was published. Anyone who is a fan of Alan Moore and/or the original maxi-series I am sure shares my opinion.
@@comicguy416 In the absence of any thought of value, or anything worth saying or adding to the conversation, a personal attack, eh? Stay classy and dimwitted bud.
I loved it. Sorry to be very late to this party, but I waited for the trade. You're analysis is spot on. I would add that the inclusion of Dr Manhattan's alterations on DCU history, I believe, is a meta-commentary of the negative effect Watchmen had on making comics "darker and more gritty." For the Alan Moore purists, note Johns lifted the idea of the metauniverse's constantly rebooting timeline from Alan Moore's Supreme series. AM did it better, but GJ did it with Superman.
I enjoyed this series but what made Watchmen worked because it was a stand alone series that had nothing to do with the dc superhero universe. This series just felt like fanservice (an enjoyable one tho)
I can't say I'm a fan of a Watchmen sequel. But I'm glad the JSA is finally back, and they were actually able to merge all the different ideas and continuities in one new package.
One suspicious little plot thread is left dangling at the end: Is the "new" Rorschach loose in the DC "metaverse" now? Apparently Veidt was returned to his world at the end, but there was no word if this happened to Rorschach. I'm actually surprised the series wrote off the original Watchmen cast in such a manner that the characters could not continue to interact with the DC universe, as this would almost certainly have been a order given from on high to the authors of this series. However, they were all wrapped up...except for Rorschach. And actually, I found him to be a disappointing character, apparently created especially so this story could have a Rorschach.
@@Metalbloodlord yeah but its fun garbage. Going in I knew the story was limited by the fact it could never be it own self contained thing but still well drawn and cool.
Another excellent video. Loved your Cheeseburger analogy, that's actually a perfect way to describe it. I did enjoy the series, though I'm curious where it'll go from here since it was heavily delayed and DC seemed to charge on without it. Fingers crossed on a Multiversity video, or Tom Strong.
Thank you. Both Multiversity and Tom Strong are in the future. There's a LOT that precedes those two. Seriously, I have too many scripts and not enough time to edit them into videos.
@@StrangeBrainParts you should hire a narrator or editor. Send all the scripts off and just be a writer. Could be an interesting way to get content out there.
The sequel to Kindom Come had a similar take on the multiverse as DC No. 12. It went nowhere fast. Which is apparently where the ending of the maxi-series is leading DC. This might as well be an Elseworlds as of now. A bit like JSA: The Golden Age.
"A superhero universe will change in order to remain viable and stay alive... a thriving fictional universe simulates the behaviour of a 'real' organism... Emergence is a simple idea ... perhaps, like a beehive or a sponge colony, I'd put enough information into my model world to trigger emergent complexity ... the theoretical point where a story become sufficiently complex to begin its own form of calculation and even to become self-aware". (Supergods, by Grant Morrison, p118-119). Mad as a badger, but you've got to love Grant!
Yes, i think the resulting frame of mind that Manhattan arrived at from his contact Superman could have been achieved much more efficiently, but then... i'm not a writer. I just want to see a certain green behemoth die in defense of Supes.
Hah! I agree. I thought that was a rather interesting line, too. Considering the green behemoth's current status as being un-killable, though... Still, it would be interesting to see these two together.
I would suggest to anyone to read Thunderbolt mini series recently published by Dynamite and written by Kieron Gillen. It basically satirizes the whole "Let's rehash Watchmen" trend.
I didn't like it. Gillen went out of his way to be as meta and 2cute4me as possible, so after the (admittedly intriguing) first issue, it basically turned into an insufferably smug, self-indulgent jerkoff session. I reread the whole thing in one sitting after the series ended, and all I got out of it was angry.
Manhattan wouldnt see other versions of superman etc the whole crux of this story is that superman is the root of every universe that his origins and being are infinite he only sees superman stopping him or the metaverse dying/going black.
Well it may be a fancy cheeseburger, but the story has a lot to say about DC rather than Watchmen. Rebirth addressed the cynicism of the New 52 and how our heroes were not all heroic. It was also to restore the JSA and other lost heroes
I think one of the problems that people have with Doomsday clock is that It's related to Watchmen. But Remember! that Its not a direct sequel but rather an unofficial sequel to Watchmen. Most of the story events are happening in DC universe not in Watchmen.
One thing that bothered me was that of Earth-Two exists, that should be the universe that Dr. Manhattan visits, not the main universe. Those were the very first characters. He should have been interacting with grey-hair Superman.
Sir Mount Before it was Earth Two, it was the main continuity of the Metaverse. In issue 10, it shows Dr Manhattan visits the Metaverse and it’s the original continuity from 1938. He sees the debut of Superman. He sees it again in 1956 whenever the Metaverse is changed into what would become Earth One and the original history became Earth Two. This kept happening until Dr Manhattan interfered himself.
This is probably the fairest critique I’ve seen of the series so far. One thing I will say is that Clock makes an emphasis on one aspect of Watchmen and sort of improves the idea. Manhattan decides that human lives are miracles, and decides that humanity is worth saving, and I think Doomsday Clock extends this idea by giving Jon a son. The best way to preserve humanity, is to give the next generation the tools to succeed and move forward. I think that’s why Marionette and Mine and New Rorschach are in the story, we mostly see their youths and how they were raised affecting who they are. It’s the reason the Kent’s coming back is so important, parental love is soo important, and the only real way to ensure the safety of the miracle of humanity is to continually do our best for those that are younger than we are. Everything else I mostly agree with, Comedian I will say is there because he’s Watchmen’s nihilist, he has no reason to be there, and dies no matter what he does. I like the overall message of the story, but am willing to acknowledge its flaws, it’s not perfect, but it’s so artistically well drawn, that’s it’s almost worth it on that alone.
Another good + interesting video. I've watched all of your stuff now + you are definitely the best comics channel going. You deserve the success that's coming if you keep this level of things up. Well done sir, this channel was an underrated gem I'm glad I found. I wish you the best. Til next time...
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to watch and enjoy my humble offerings. Success (in terms of viewership) is elusive, but I will continue on regardless. :)
After finishing reading the series a few days ago, was struck by the metaphor "standing on the shoulder of giants". Forging Dave Gibbons' singular lettering style just pissed me off even more.
I loved doomsday clock but man oh man I wished really wished that event actually effected the dc universe like it was supposed to do from the very beginning before that didn't happen because of dan didio and his bullshit.
That’s exactly what my biggest problem with Doomsday Clock is. Although I enjoyed it, they could’ve done more with the Watchmen characters. I think it would’ve been really cool to see moral comparisons and debates between the hopeful DC heroes and the nihilistic, cynical Watchmen characters.
It is meta in the sense that “This is DC”; it’s hopeful. Superman is hopeful. Watchmen and those who want the DCU to be edgy will always come and attack and DC might change, but at the end of the day, hope wins. Superman will find a hopeful solution. Superman is DC.
Is it true that after Doomsday Clock the pre-crisis versions of the gold, silver, bronze type characters were once again canonical, "mixed" with the current versions? 
I didn't want to purchase this as it was coming out because it's just one more way DC is keeping royalties out of Alan Moore's pocket. But I do intend on reading the collected edition at my local library.
I don't think royalties are the issue that Alan Moore has with Watchmen spin-offs. I say this because I've heard him say in interviews that he actually started refusing royalties - specifically in relation to the Watchmen movie. It seems like his problem is that he wants Watchmen to stay pure, as he intended it, without anyone doing new adaptations, interpretations, spin-offs or sequels i.e. he appears to be VERY precious about his work. And EXTREMELY bitter about the comics industry in general and DC in particular.
I didn't read the story, but based on your description (and having seen other, more spoilery videos on tbe specific event), it seems like Dr. Manhattan does not "see" the future, but rather simulates it in his mind. He knows the current state of every particle in the Universe, and can predict what happens going forward in time. But because he didn't know what be would do when finally confronting ol' Supes (yet knowing it will be a monumental decision with far reaching impact) he could no longer sustain his mental simulation of the universe past that point, at least until he decided how he'd respond.
I'm glad you decided to cover this story. It's hard to imagine that they went to the Watchmen well for anything other than money, so it's intrested to try and look at this work and what value it might have beyond that.
I liked the story but they kinda screwed the comedian over and made him look more like a nuisance lol I was glad for a short moment that he had escaped his fate only to be sent back by lex
I liked Doomsday Clock but it had issues. I do recommend it to Watchmen fans but not deep Watchmen fans. If you like Watchmen you might like Doomsday Clock. But if you love Watchmen you'll hate Doomsday Clock.
Using a binary system in an everychangong landscape is especially if you include how vast the MULTIverse in fact pulling at enough threads youd find that he could either move to another timeline or just completely make the decisions wider. Thats a probability manipulation power and couldn't he atvsome extent nullify all possibilitoes pf him coming to blows woth superman or force him outvof the existing universe or take himself out of the existing universe and if hes powers have no mute point couldn't he just make the who situation just stop existing entirely. Or recreate a lighter version of him to observe hes pwn decision and thinking in real time tham go back in time( whatever that means to Manhattan) and choose the right one thats actually not put of reach as specified by hes power set. If anything the stpry itself just exemplifoes a thought i had when i realised that Manhattan knew that hes gf ( i frgt her name) was going to cheat. Hes just messing around with timelines spacetimes and people for the same reason he made a pointless fortress on mars. Hes bored
Doomsday Clock is without a doubt an extremely well made series. But it felt so unnecessary. Watchmen was made because they had a story to tell, and it raised important moral/philosophical questions about the world. Doomsday Clock on the other hand brought those characters back just for a kind of reboot of their universe, it seems. A very well made reboot, but it had so much untapped potential to be a work of art like its predecessor.
I understand these kind of cons people give to this story but at the same time i understand that those who focus on these things did not fully understand what Doomsday Clock is about. This is not the usual "big cosmic event", you can't just go criticize for the same things you may criticized other events as if you can could compare them, because they are completely different, they have a completely different purpose and Geoff focused on this purpose (and he did right). This is a story about Jon discovering the importance of Superman, the symbol and beacon of hope, in the Multiverse and how all of the events, all of the crisises and major events built around Superman because he is the most important character in DC comics and the one who inspires all. In an era of very cynical and dark stories and characters this is Geoff delivered: positiviy and hope in the form of a love letter to Superman. Thats the whole goal of Doomsday Clock and thats what it only really matters. Of course, reading this story is not easy and it takes a lot of knowledge from previous events to fully appreciate, but the story does make sense with Manhattan linking everything togheter. I hear of people wanting Superman and Manhattan have an actual fight as some were expecting but that would have been a very easy way to make this story fall into being trivial and unintersting and make it look like the average cosmic event. Also some of the main characters appearing are important to the story and this does not mean by affecting directly the story. Without Marionette and the Mime the ending would not have existed or would have made 0 sense. Even then, the "filler" characters are interesting and well written. There are many other things to say that make Doomsday Clock one of the best events/stories of the last years but im not gonna write it all here. I suggest to re-read again Doomsday Clock until completely understood/absorbed
The reason superman is not popular isnt coz he's boring thats a misconception Its bcuase hes always made a Jesus ,perfect morality super powerful perfect person. Hes the chosen one. Not one who chooses to say f destiny and be a man amongst gods and monsters
I think you missed the point that Doomsday Clock is a commentary on the comic book industry itself as a whole, DC Comics in particular. How Dr Manhatten represents the comic creators, how they've shifted the focus of comics story, and how they cannot see the infinite possibilities but only on way or the other. It's simultaneously a commentary about industry fan service and service to the corporate bottomline. Doomsday Clock is pure metaphor and also connective continuity. I would go into further detail but I'm way too late to the party lol.
Just so you know, I watch these terrible ads only because I know you get a bit ore revenue when I do. I don't skip them because you have a channel that actually recommends stuff I'd read, and guides me away from the rubbish.
Ha? Manhattan is Jesus, he’s a god, Superman is an inspiration, the guy that gets us out of the dark and teaches us how to be better. He’s a role model.
@@Metalbloodlord The rubbish exists because a sane man started a revolution and did not know how to read a business contract and is content to piss and moan about it.
@@theunknowngamer5477 Shut up you ungrateful piece of shit And PS you should respect creators opinions and what not And also please do me a favour and separate the art from the artist Unless the art is actually secretly terrible because of a certain political view a writer or director has that is not exceptional Like Christopher Nolan's the sexiest Knight trilogy because Christopher Nolan is a sexist piece of crap who has some awful opinions with on feminism and why feminism shouldn't exist I hate sexism but the way and I hate the people defend this overrated director Unless if the artist and writer was born at a time we're certain awful views were acceptable.
I have a complicated relationship with Doomsday Clock. On one level (as a DC fan), I find it to be extremely entertaining and well-written. On another (as a Watchmen fan), I fundamentally despise its existence.
I know how you feel. As someone who deeply respects Alan Moore I despise the whole watchmen “franchise”. The prequels, the movies, the tv show as well Doomsday Clock.
But as a nililhist, I just really don’t care and more surprised it took this long for DC to pull this crap.
Man it's nice to hear a comic book review that isnt just excited squealing over "badass" moments or whining about "SJWs".
SAME finaly some intellectual speak.
@@abloshow91 Do you hate Doomsday clock
@@theunknowngamer5477 I would feel that way about Doomsday clock because of how awful and ungrateful it is to Watchmen.
Doomsday clock bad
HBO TV series good
Well as you see SJWs have basically ruined dc and marvel. Thank god for 2000AD who still makes good entertaining comics without forcing any leftist politics on me. I read comics to escape real world, not to be brainwashed by kelly sue decunts.
@@terskatti4994 uuuuuuUuuuuuuuughhhhhhh
I really wish DC would just leave Watchmen alone. It doesn't need sequels or prequels. That being said I appreciate Johns' attempt to provide meta-commentary on how Watchmen has affected the superhero genre. That subplot regarding the conspiracy theory that the government is engineering superheroes may be a response to Alan Moore's last word on the genre in LOEG's final chapter, The Tempest. As I said, I appreciate what John's is trying to do, but I largely agree with your assessment that the final story is underwhelming.
This series could have been much more but Im at the age where im just starting to accept that the nature of the comic industry is self defeating to their story's. So going in I knew this wasnt going to blow my mind or really ask any philosophical questions but it was fun. I wish it had more moments of character interaction that mattered more and the fake super hero idea was taken farther but overall its not bad and just dumb enough that I can enjoy it for what it is.
Same thoughts. To be honest, I wish DC had left Watchmen alone. It's a different kind of story than mainstream DC, and trying to merge the Watchmen storyline with mainstream DC felt to me like a cringeworthy attempt at imitating the philosophical aspects of the original Watchmen comic.
Dr. Manhatten can only see past, present, and future in existing universes (or at least that's how I took it). He was so inspired by Superman that he decided to purposely splinter the metaverse to save it, thus creating a partellel universe that was undetected by Dr. Manhattan. Is it possible the earth in the metaverse was blown to pieces and the ending of the book was 2nd metaverse? Thats how I took it!
That sounds interesting
This book is the perfect jump off point for any DC fan.
@@Tone_Of_Dials Absolutely. It's arguably the creative and ethical low DC comics. If you care at all about creator's rights It's supremely distasteful for reasons that hour long videos elsewhere on youtube cover. If you care at all about good writing and originality, it's the very opposite of that; instead it is extremely painful to read hacky fan fiction. The whole thing reads like Geoff Johns wishes he was much smarter, much better author than he is. This maxi-series absolutely served as a jumping off point for me, and I imagine I am hardly alone in that. I haven't given DC any money since this garbage was published. Anyone who is a fan of Alan Moore and/or the original maxi-series I am sure shares my opinion.
Same can be said about Future State
@@RarebitFiends You sure seem like you have issues that need serious straightening out.
@@comicguy416 In the absence of any thought of value, or anything worth saying or adding to the conversation, a personal attack, eh? Stay classy and dimwitted bud.
I loved it. Sorry to be very late to this party, but I waited for the trade.
You're analysis is spot on. I would add that the inclusion of Dr Manhattan's alterations on DCU history, I believe, is a meta-commentary of the negative effect Watchmen had on making comics "darker and more gritty."
For the Alan Moore purists, note Johns lifted the idea of the metauniverse's constantly rebooting timeline from Alan Moore's Supreme series. AM did it better, but GJ did it with Superman.
That's what I got from it too.
I took the story as
"Watchmen is great but those who try to copy the recipe will lose all taste"
I enjoyed this series but what made Watchmen worked because it was a stand alone series that had nothing to do with the dc superhero universe. This series just felt like fanservice (an enjoyable one tho)
I can't say I'm a fan of a Watchmen sequel. But I'm glad the JSA is finally back, and they were actually able to merge all the different ideas and continuities in one new package.
Retcon Doomsday clock
One suspicious little plot thread is left dangling at the end: Is the "new" Rorschach loose in the DC "metaverse" now? Apparently Veidt was returned to his world at the end, but there was no word if this happened to Rorschach. I'm actually surprised the series wrote off the original Watchmen cast in such a manner that the characters could not continue to interact with the DC universe, as this would almost certainly have been a order given from on high to the authors of this series. However, they were all wrapped up...except for Rorschach. And actually, I found him to be a disappointing character, apparently created especially so this story could have a Rorschach.
@MoreWeight Media I can't believe that people pay money to read this garbage
@@Metalbloodlord yeah but its fun garbage. Going in I knew the story was limited by the fact it could never be it own self contained thing but still well drawn and cool.
@@alexcruz3043 How dare you
@Darth Pancake Studios Oh god I hope not
Geoff Johns is officially the worst writer ever
Another excellent video. Loved your Cheeseburger analogy, that's actually a perfect way to describe it. I did enjoy the series, though I'm curious where it'll go from here since it was heavily delayed and DC seemed to charge on without it. Fingers crossed on a Multiversity video, or Tom Strong.
Thank you. Both Multiversity and Tom Strong are in the future. There's a LOT that precedes those two. Seriously, I have too many scripts and not enough time to edit them into videos.
@@StrangeBrainParts you should hire a narrator or editor. Send all the scripts off and just be a writer. Could be an interesting way to get content out there.
The sequel to Kindom Come had a similar take on the multiverse as DC No. 12. It went nowhere fast. Which is apparently where the ending of the maxi-series is leading DC. This might as well be an Elseworlds as of now. A bit like JSA: The Golden Age.
"A superhero universe will change in order to remain viable and stay alive... a thriving fictional universe simulates the behaviour of a 'real' organism... Emergence is a simple idea ... perhaps, like a beehive or a sponge colony, I'd put enough information into my model world to trigger emergent complexity ... the theoretical point where a story become sufficiently complex to begin its own form of calculation and even to become self-aware". (Supergods, by Grant Morrison, p118-119).
Mad as a badger, but you've got to love Grant!
Yes, i think the resulting frame of mind that Manhattan arrived at from his contact Superman could have been achieved much more efficiently, but then... i'm not a writer. I just want to see a certain green behemoth die in defense of Supes.
Hah! I agree. I thought that was a rather interesting line, too. Considering the green behemoth's current status as being un-killable, though... Still, it would be interesting to see these two together.
I would suggest to anyone to read Thunderbolt mini series recently published by Dynamite and written by Kieron Gillen. It basically satirizes the whole "Let's rehash Watchmen" trend.
That is on my list of Get To Sooner Rather Than Later titles I have to read.
I didn't like it. Gillen went out of his way to be as meta and 2cute4me as possible, so after the (admittedly intriguing) first issue, it basically turned into an insufferably smug, self-indulgent jerkoff session. I reread the whole thing in one sitting after the series ended, and all I got out of it was angry.
@@StrangeBrainParts Doomsday clock is trash
Manhattan wouldnt see other versions of superman etc the whole crux of this story is that superman is the root of every universe that his origins and being are infinite he only sees superman stopping him or the metaverse dying/going black.
Well it may be a fancy cheeseburger, but the story has a lot to say about DC rather than Watchmen. Rebirth addressed the cynicism of the New 52 and how our heroes were not all heroic. It was also to restore the JSA and other lost heroes
I think one of the problems that people have with Doomsday clock is that It's related to Watchmen. But Remember! that Its not a direct sequel but rather an unofficial sequel to Watchmen. Most of the story events are happening in DC universe not in Watchmen.
@@arslanbaig1943 exactly. I just enjoy for what the story is
@@arslanbaig1943 exactly. I just enjoy for what the story is
2:07 Despite the original Watchmen utilizing vibrant tones from the stock 64 color CMYK palette
One thing that bothered me was that of Earth-Two exists, that should be the universe that Dr. Manhattan visits, not the main universe. Those were the very first characters. He should have been interacting with grey-hair Superman.
Sir Mount Before it was Earth Two, it was the main continuity of the Metaverse. In issue 10, it shows Dr Manhattan visits the Metaverse and it’s the original continuity from 1938. He sees the debut of Superman. He sees it again in 1956 whenever the Metaverse is changed into what would become Earth One and the original history became Earth Two. This kept happening until Dr Manhattan interfered himself.
The Hive Is he responsible for Crisis?
Sir Mount No, just the New 52 and the new current timeline.
The Hive Wild. So Convergence still happened?
Sir Mount Kinda, but nobody really talks about that.
This is probably the fairest critique I’ve seen of the series so far. One thing I will say is that Clock makes an emphasis on one aspect of Watchmen and sort of improves the idea.
Manhattan decides that human lives are miracles, and decides that humanity is worth saving, and I think Doomsday Clock extends this idea by giving Jon a son. The best way to preserve humanity, is to give the next generation the tools to succeed and move forward. I think that’s why Marionette and Mine and New Rorschach are in the story, we mostly see their youths and how they were raised affecting who they are. It’s the reason the Kent’s coming back is so important, parental love is soo important, and the only real way to ensure the safety of the miracle of humanity is to continually do our best for those that are younger than we are.
Everything else I mostly agree with, Comedian I will say is there because he’s Watchmen’s nihilist, he has no reason to be there, and dies no matter what he does.
I like the overall message of the story, but am willing to acknowledge its flaws, it’s not perfect, but it’s so artistically well drawn, that’s it’s almost worth it on that alone.
Another good + interesting video. I've watched all of your stuff now + you are definitely the best comics channel going. You deserve the success that's coming if you keep this level of things up. Well done sir, this channel was an underrated gem I'm glad I found. I wish you the best. Til next time...
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to watch and enjoy my humble offerings. Success (in terms of viewership) is elusive, but I will continue on regardless. :)
same. keep it up.
@@shermanium7834 Doomsday clock sucks
Metal blood lord 666 723 yes lol but Overlord Comics makes great videos!
@@shermanium7834 You agreed with me
7:10 Rendered moot further by the recent advent of concepts such as the omniverse and linearverse, which imply both nothing and everything matters.
I may check out this book
looks like it has good art
Doomsday clock was fucking shit
After finishing reading the series a few days ago, was struck by the metaphor "standing on the shoulder of giants". Forging Dave Gibbons' singular lettering style just pissed me off even more.
I loved doomsday clock but man oh man I wished really wished that event actually effected the dc universe like it was supposed to do from the very beginning before that didn't happen because of dan didio and his bullshit.
That’s exactly what my biggest problem with Doomsday Clock is. Although I enjoyed it, they could’ve done more with the Watchmen characters.
I think it would’ve been really cool to see moral comparisons and debates between the hopeful DC heroes and the nihilistic, cynical Watchmen characters.
@@comicguy416 actually that's not a bad idea and I would've been all for that
The best part of this series was the Superman stuff, the worst part was basically all the Watchmen stuff.
I recently purchased the novel and am looking forward to reading it. I think I will read Watchmen again prior to reading this one.
It is meta in the sense that “This is DC”; it’s hopeful. Superman is hopeful. Watchmen and those who want the DCU to be edgy will always come and attack and DC might change, but at the end of the day, hope wins. Superman will find a hopeful solution. Superman is DC.
Is it true that after Doomsday Clock the pre-crisis versions of the gold, silver, bronze type characters were once again canonical, "mixed" with the current versions?

Ngl i kind of dropped this book when the comedian came back, watching this made me think i should probably try picking it up again.
Man what a good video and analysis, thank you for making it, how about Supes year one?
Supes year one ? That book doesn't exist.
@@DrLynch2009 I agree
I didn't want to purchase this as it was coming out because it's just one more way DC is keeping royalties out of Alan Moore's pocket. But I do intend on reading the collected edition at my local library.
I don't think royalties are the issue that Alan Moore has with Watchmen spin-offs. I say this because I've heard him say in interviews that he actually started refusing royalties - specifically in relation to the Watchmen movie. It seems like his problem is that he wants Watchmen to stay pure, as he intended it, without anyone doing new adaptations, interpretations, spin-offs or sequels i.e. he appears to be VERY precious about his work. And EXTREMELY bitter about the comics industry in general and DC in particular.
I didn't read the story, but based on your description (and having seen other, more spoilery videos on tbe specific event), it seems like Dr. Manhattan does not "see" the future, but rather simulates it in his mind. He knows the current state of every particle in the Universe, and can predict what happens going forward in time. But because he didn't know what be would do when finally confronting ol' Supes (yet knowing it will be a monumental decision with far reaching impact) he could no longer sustain his mental simulation of the universe past that point, at least until he decided how he'd respond.
I'm glad you decided to cover this story. It's hard to imagine that they went to the Watchmen well for anything other than money, so it's intrested to try and look at this work and what value it might have beyond that.
doomsday clock years fucking pissed me off too!
like excuse me? you hyped us up for a year or so, man dc fucking sick in their head
Forcing convoluted dc universe shit in watchmen is blasphemous. There is a reason watchmen is good, because it has nothing to do with dc universe.
So did Dr Manhattan create the dc universe or not?
No. He only created The New 52 universe.
Even if a lot of people don’t like this story, I still get a lot of it and consider it one of my favorite Geoff Johns written stories.
I feel exactly the same way 100%
Is it wrong that I find doomsday clock fine this but hate watchmen?
You can like or dislike whatever you want.
@@crankshank indeed!
Exactly!
Doomsday clock is a hate letter to Watchmen
Metal blood lord 666 723 how so?
I liked the story but they kinda screwed the comedian over and made him look more like a nuisance lol I was glad for a short moment that he had escaped his fate only to be sent back by lex
I liked Doomsday Clock but it had issues.
I do recommend it to Watchmen fans but not deep Watchmen fans.
If you like Watchmen you might like Doomsday Clock.
But if you love Watchmen you'll hate Doomsday Clock.
Using a binary system in an everychangong landscape is especially if you include how vast the MULTIverse in fact pulling at enough threads youd find that he could either move to another timeline or just completely make the decisions wider. Thats a probability manipulation power and couldn't he atvsome extent nullify all possibilitoes pf him coming to blows woth superman or force him outvof the existing universe or take himself out of the existing universe and if hes powers have no mute point couldn't he just make the who situation just stop existing entirely. Or recreate a lighter version of him to observe hes pwn decision and thinking in real time tham go back in time( whatever that means to Manhattan) and choose the right one thats actually not put of reach as specified by hes power set.
If anything the stpry itself just exemplifoes a thought i had when i realised that Manhattan knew that hes gf ( i frgt her name) was going to cheat. Hes just messing around with timelines spacetimes and people for the same reason he made a pointless fortress on mars. Hes bored
I've been rereading this story shortly after the last issue was released.
Doomsday Clock is without a doubt an extremely well made series. But it felt so unnecessary. Watchmen was made because they had a story to tell, and it raised important moral/philosophical questions about the world.
Doomsday Clock on the other hand brought those characters back just for a kind of reboot of their universe, it seems. A very well made reboot, but it had so much untapped potential to be a work of art like its predecessor.
Yeah it's a Geoff Johns story.
The man's worst is still pretty good
Yeah its less of a Watchmen sequel and more of a Superman story imo
I understand these kind of cons people give to this story but at the same time i understand that those who focus on these things did not fully understand what Doomsday Clock is about. This is not the usual "big cosmic event", you can't just go criticize for the same things you may criticized other events as if you can could compare them, because they are completely different, they have a completely different purpose and Geoff focused on this purpose (and he did right). This is a story about Jon discovering the importance of Superman, the symbol and beacon of hope, in the Multiverse and how all of the events, all of the crisises and major events built around Superman because he is the most important character in DC comics and the one who inspires all. In an era of very cynical and dark stories and characters this is Geoff delivered: positiviy and hope in the form of a love letter to Superman. Thats the whole goal of Doomsday Clock and thats what it only really matters. Of course, reading this story is not easy and it takes a lot of knowledge from previous events to fully appreciate, but the story does make sense with Manhattan linking everything togheter. I hear of people wanting Superman and Manhattan have an actual fight as some were expecting but that would have been a very easy way to make this story fall into being trivial and unintersting and make it look like the average cosmic event. Also some of the main characters appearing are important to the story and this does not mean by affecting directly the story. Without Marionette and the Mime the ending would not have existed or would have made 0 sense. Even then, the "filler" characters are interesting and well written. There are many other things to say that make Doomsday Clock one of the best events/stories of the last years but im not gonna write it all here. I suggest to re-read again Doomsday Clock until completely understood/absorbed
The reason superman is not popular isnt coz he's boring thats a misconception
Its bcuase hes always made a Jesus ,perfect morality super powerful perfect person.
Hes the chosen one.
Not one who chooses to say f destiny and be a man amongst gods and monsters
I think you missed the point that Doomsday Clock is a commentary on the comic book industry itself as a whole, DC Comics in particular. How Dr Manhatten represents the comic creators, how they've shifted the focus of comics story, and how they cannot see the infinite possibilities but only on way or the other. It's simultaneously a commentary about industry fan service and service to the corporate bottomline. Doomsday Clock is pure metaphor and also connective continuity. I would go into further detail but I'm way too late to the party lol.
If nothing else, DOOMSDAY CLOCK sure is nice to look at.
No Alan Moore? Not a sequel. 😆
Just so you know, I watch these terrible ads only because I know you get a bit ore revenue when I do. I don't skip them because you have a channel that actually recommends stuff I'd read, and guides me away from the rubbish.
Doomsday clock is a insult to Watchmen
@@theunknowngamer5477 No now shut up
The most impressive thing about Doomsday Clock is that Geoff Johns thought he could follow up an Alan Moore story.
Super heroes now suck
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@@StrangeBrainParts Superheroes now suck because of Doomsday clock. This comic series made me hate superheroes so may you help me retcon it
So Superman is basically Jesus. Which explains why I never cared for his stories, just as I never found Christian children's shows very entertaining.
Ha? Manhattan is Jesus, he’s a god, Superman is an inspiration, the guy that gets us out of the dark and teaches us how to be better. He’s a role model.
No that’s a misconception you could easily call any overpowered character or person who rises from the dead Jesus
This series was not good.
Doomsday Clock sucks
Rubbish.
Doomsday clock is rubbish
@@Metalbloodlord The rubbish exists because a sane man started a revolution
and did not know how to read a business contract and is content to piss and moan about it.
@@theunknowngamer5477 Shut up you ungrateful piece of shit
And PS you should respect creators opinions and what not
And also please do me a favour and separate the art from the artist
Unless the art is actually secretly terrible because of a certain political view a writer or director has that is not exceptional
Like Christopher Nolan's the sexiest Knight trilogy because Christopher Nolan is a sexist piece of crap who has some awful opinions with on feminism and why feminism shouldn't exist
I hate sexism but the way and I hate the people defend this overrated director
Unless if the artist and writer was born at a time we're certain awful views were acceptable.
LMAO not even close.
I like cheeseburgers and crisis on infinite earths. i should like doomsday clock