Larue MBT-2S vs Geissele SSA vs SSA-E Trigger Pull Weight
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SSA-E is phenomenal, but not at $240, only when it’s on sale. And even then I don’t know if it’s still worth more than double the $80 for the MBT. They are both made of very high quality & robust S7 tool steel. Regardless, $80 for the MBT considering it’s a LaRue with its top tier quality has to be the best deal of any trigger on the market imo. You can’t go wrong either way. Both also have great customer service.
Couldn't agree more.
Great comparison! I have a MBT-2S and am curious to try the SSA (their specs are similar on paper: 2.5 + 2 lbs). MBT has such a clean break and solid wall that I’m amazed that it’s less than $100! Love this trigger!
I agree, Larue triggers are some of the best that I've ever felt. I like the SSA, it's great and still have it in one of my go-to guns, but I'd have zero regrets if it had an MBT or the straight now version instead. The only way that I'll ever get another Geissele (if curiosity gets the best of me) is on black friday when they are close to $150.
Excellent, straight-forward video dude!
Just picked up a SSA-E for $179 shipped today. Looking forward to it. My first Geissele trigger. My favorite I've been using has been the Hiperfire PDI ($128) triggers. Rise Armament makes some nice ones like the RA-535 ($135) and I have mil spec nickel boron trigger i polished that a friend gave me that I got to a nice single stage 3.5lb break.
That's a great deal. I love my Geissele triggers.
Was waiting on the Geissele Tricon to get back in stock and found this trigger. Decided to take the plunge once I saw what this trigger used to cost and the reviews. If this trigger is as good as everyone says, I won’t be paying $240 for a trigger again.
My wallet loving the $87 including shipping price tag.
Update?
@@daoyang8919
Love it. Buy with confidence.
I put the included heavy spring in mine. Feels slightly lighter than an SSA, which is fine with me.
The factory spring just felt too light for a defensive rifle for me at least.
During the last 5 months I also bought a 2nd MBT-2S to put in my 16 inch BCM RECCE.
@@DD-sw1dd What was the old price point looking at?
I already bought two due to how the internet regards the Larue, but just curious where it sat before
@@jakass
Not sure. Was a long time ago.
I’ve heard they were about 80$ back when. I paid 97$ shipped about a week ago for mine
Comments that the shape of the trigger affects perceived pull is too often overlooked. Slight placement also changes feel of pull. [.100" forward] or swelled grips change how the trigger feels. This is why we all Love AR platform, so easy to get to be "our" fit. Like a favorite teddy bear.
Yup, definitely makes a difference!
Well done video. May the algorithm continue to promote your work.
Thanks!
Thanks man, was just looking at getting a new trigger and both your vids were super helpful
Glad they helped!
I went into my gun store wanting to get the SSA-E because that’s what everyone recommended me. Guy behind the counter says, “sure, but close your eyes and dry fire both of these rifles” one of them had the MBT and the other had the SSA-E. I really was surprised that I liked the MBT better. It felt better. And in a turn of events, saved some money to buy other parts.
Store workers who value their customers vs milking money, you found a good spot
@@EZTemp best feeling ever!
Hey man just came across your video and wanted to give credit where credit is due. Nice work on the video. Short, to the point, not a bunch of fluff with clear and usable information. The video also was setup in a way that makes sense because as you know there are lots of paper Mashay set up janky videos out here on TH-cam. Anyway the video is 3 years old so don’t know if your still doing vids or not but nice work.
Thanks, man! Glad to help.
I have these triggers...LaRue MBT-87 at 1.98 lbs avg/ ...CMC 2lb Straight Bow @ 1.23 lbs. and a Palmetto State Armory @ 2.48 lbs, and a DPMS @ 2.15 lbs...I like them all.They fit me. But all for different applications..However my favorite is the CMC in my 6.5 Grendel I built .
And this may surprise some people...but my Franklin Arms Binary trigger is as smooth as ever.Its 2.48 lbs on semi and 1.11 lbs. on Binary and feels really good.I have a bunch of other triggers that I have just polished with a fine grit flapper wheel on my Dremel.. and it helped tremendously. No Grit and it reduce the pull pounds some too.But the main bragging point is that they real smooth and no gritty feeling.
Dont overlook that LaRue trigger either at just $87.00 because it is well worth that and more.
Great Video Brother.Thank you.
Thanks, that's great info as well.
Gissele is an amazing trigger. Well worth it
******** Exactly !!...You get what you pay for !! ******
SOCOM uses Geissele Triggers if that means anything, I'm a fan of the SSA-e but the price on the LaRue is hard to pass up. Geissele has their triggers on sale right now for 156.00
This is the time of year when I bought mine, for the same price.
Their purpose isn't the same as us everyday folks, plus they're given it while we have to buy it. We're fine with even stock triggers tbh
Your underrated man!
Thanks!
Outstanding video review. Thanks for posting.
Thanks! I'm glad you liked it.
I have a brand new standard trigger it’s a whole lower parts kit from Anderson ,,I ordered a trigger pull weight system on Amazon it will be here soon & my trigger is standard but I have added a upgrade to it so now it’s super lightweight
For the money, you can buy three LaRue MBT's for one Geissele.
Yup.
@@ConcealedSteel So are the Geissele's 3x better than the MBT?
@@jkreviea The Geissele trigger isn't three times as good. I own the Larue MBT-2s, as well as the Geissele SSA-E. I also have a CMC two stage drop in trigger, which is a 1 pound take up, with a 3 pound break. They are all fantastic triggers. The Larue MBT-2s is the best for the money for sure, no doubt about it. The CMC 2 stage is in second place, solely because it's smoother than the MBT-2s, and has a shorter, faster reset with very minimal overtravel. The SSA-E is first place for me because it has a smoother, shorter take up, and a lighter, more crisp break with absolutely ZERO overtravel, and a shorter, more positive reset than both the CMC 2 stage, and the MBT-2s. If you go with any of the three, you'll be perfectly happy, they're all absolutely phenomenal triggers, but the SSA-E is my personal favorite. It simply lets me shoot a little bit faster, and a little bit more accurately, and it makes me happy. whatever trigger you have, it all comes down to training. If you suck at shooting a mil-spec trigger, you're going to suck at shooting a $240 super awesome trigger too. If you don't have the fundamentals down, don't bother upgrading your trigger, it wont make you any better of a shooter. Check out Milspec Mojo on youtube. Homie slays drills, and gets .10 splits on a milspec trigger. Upgrading to a nicer trigger will only enhance your capability so long as you have the fundamental skills down.
Nicely stated.
Mbt is the best for me. For less than $90 it's hard for me to justify trying anything else
It sure is.
My mans got floating letters out here!!
Burris XTR-II FFP 2-10x covers a lot of ground for around $700. super good glass!
I'll bet it does, my highest magnification right now is 8x.
Very seldom in the firearms world, do you get a performance to price outlier like this. Most manufacturers hang together in similar price points. Not here though, I have owned all 3 and now use MBT in everything. There is no possible way anyone could justify the difference even a $50 let alone $160+.
MBT 80 BUCKS #NOBRAINER!!!
Concur
Just got mine today. A+
@@JK-sy3tt hell yeah
Nice!
I also have one in route! Review coming.
The MBT2 comes with two sets of springs. You can install the heavier spring if thats what you like.
You are correct. I have the heavier springs in all of my MBT triggers.
Concealed Steel is this test with the lighter or heavier spring installed?
@@ConcealedSteel is the measurement in the vid with the heavy spring? I just put mine in this morning and used the “heavy” spring but it doesn’t feel like a 6lb trigger . Feels lighter
Thanku. Very well done video comparison
Glad you liked it!
I don’t entirely agree with this review. I have both the SDE and the MBT. In term of pre travel, the SDE is very smooth and definitively superior to MBT, which has a noticeable weird hump in the middle of pre travel. Otherwise, I do agree the difference in the break weight and feel is subjective. If you have the money, go with the Geissele’s. It’s overall better.
I appreciate your insight. I have three MBTs and none have anything like you describe going on. I also love my Geissele triggers though. I just got a G2S for a competitive price with the MBTs and it's a really great trigger as well.
Unless my MBT has a defect…then I need to call the company for a replacement. Please let me know if your MBT has the same hump in the pre travel.
@@ConcealedSteel thanks. I shall call LaRue and ask for a replacement.
Yeah, for sure. I'll bet they will do you right.
Any update from LaRue on your MBT? No hump on mine either, curved or straight.. Mine are smooth, solid break as you press through and very tactile reset.
I just ordered three straight bow MBT-2S triggers from Larue. Right now if you buy three $79 each.
Niiiiice! That's still my favorite trigger to this day.
My only complaints with the bowed MBT2 compared to a geissele is the sharper edges of the trigger, could benefit from a slight chamfer in terms of overall feel. The reset seems slightly deeper as well. Justifiable trade offs, considering the contrast in price points in my opinion.
Most important is the 2nd stage!
Yessir!
I tried out the SSA-E and I was incredibly unimpressed. Triggers are a scam and mil spec is fine if you keep it clean like you should be doing. The only time I run into issues is with long range shooting and even then it’s still very manageable.
Agreed, fundamentals are 100% more important than fancy gear!
@@ConcealedSteel that being said there are a lot of good aftermarket triggers that will help you just that extra little bit that are around 50 bucks instead of 400
wtf?
No mods. Installed exactly how it came from Geissele.
I like your Seekins Precision lower. I need one to match my Vltor MUR. Nice choice.
Thanks, bro. Yeah, it's a great looking lower. I think I noticed it while watching the walking dead and googled until I figured out what it was because it was so cool looking, lol. I actually had an MUR on this lower for years nd it really looks dope together.
I've had a mur for years as well. I've just never sprung for the SP lower. After seeing your combo, it will be my next "gun part" purchase.
Nice.
I've always seen the SSA-E advertised at around 3.8-4 pounds. How did you get it to be that light?
I didn't change anything, installed with the springs that came with it.
are you running the regular trigger spring that comes installed or the heavy one?
Heavy one.
What charging handles for you use? It looks like the length of pull is much shorter than a standard charging handle.
I have LWRC Ambi CH's on two of them and a Troy/BCM medium latch on the third. They're all standard length.
I think for the price, the MBT is the best.
for combat spr (recce) trigger the larue is as light as i want to go. thats just me. its at a perfect limt where i dont feel i might accidentally send one in stress. its on the brink.
I recently hear when Geissele started to produce certain handguards, it upset Larue because those were LaRue's bread and butter, and so Larue set off to upset Geissele by duplicating the SSA-E and making it half the cost. Any truth here?
I assume these triggers use light springs. If you use mil-spec weight springs, do these triggers lose their magic?
I've never had a light primer strike with any of them, and I shoot a lot, including a ton of Russian steel cased stuff and hard primer ammo.
Beautiful rifles sir. I’ve been stuck on geissele. My primary rifle currently running Sd-e in my Afghan but may swap to the sdc, then throw the Sd-e in another rifle. Also Grabbed a MBT-2S for $87 n few E-Lander mags for Aero M4E1 w/ BA-18” Fltd Hanson 6.5 Grendel Spr to get a quality trigger for Precession on longer shots at range, but heavy enough when hunting don’t as when my adrenaline is going as it I want to ensue in on Target n can take an ethical shot in vitals for quick, clean kill shot given it will primarily be my gun for White Tail/Mule Deer Season. So I’m looking forward to doing a side by side of few triggers after figure out what glass is going on the 6.5 Grendel.
Nice. Elanders are the bomb for the Grendel. I have a bunch and they run very well.
@@ConcealedSteel Im a noob planning a .223 & grendel combat AR, just plan to switch the uppers at will. What is the reasonable two stage trigger to get for long term reliability and accuracy? The differences seem too nuanced for me to decide.
I highly recommend the Larue MBT-2S! It's literally the only trigger in it's class at the price. It's a steal for a fantastic trigger.
Not only how the weight comes in to play with these trigger but how it feels and how the trigger breaks... like for example the cheap mil spec triggers are heavy, gritty, and has a long rolling break that makes it feel forever.... Vs my geissele national match trigger that has a short, light, short crisp rolling break.
Big time. The way the trigger feels is arguably as important as the pull weight once we compare triggers that are close.
IMO, its definitely important to consider the philosophy of use for your tools, and ensure that your choice fits into that philosophy.
SSA it is.
Always a strong choice.
Is that an alcan I see? How do you like it compared to other sights?
It sure is. How do I like it? Let's put it this way, if I had to leave with one gun in a bonafide emergency, the ELCAN would be on it. Outstanding battery life, bomb proof, 0-4x with a quick lever throw, phenomenal glass quality, ballistic reticle, and an excellent aim point that can easily be used without illumination (if you did happen to run out of batteries). Hands down the best optic I've ever owned or even handled for a fighting gun.
@@ConcealedSteel nice. Wish I could afford one. Dont they also have a 1-6 alcan? And how do you like the larue trigger?
Dude there’s 2 pull weighted on a 2 stage. You’re only doing half the story
How come you didn't do a pull test on the MBT with both sets of springs?
That's a great idea for another video. I never installed the light spring because I love the heavy spring since it sits right between the SSA and SSA-E weights.
I thought the MBT light spring was supposed to be close to 4.5 pounds, and the heavy one 6 pounds.
Jordan Phone
That’s what’s confusing me. Would think it would be around 5.2-5.5 pounds. It looks like the light spring was tested here.
@@DD-sw1dd What is the pull weight AFTER it hits the wall: for the second stage??
Why is the pull weight for the ssa-e so low? Geissele rates it at 3.5 lbs
I've read different results in the forums. It may have something to do with the lubricity of the finish on the lower, the differences in machining tolerances between lower receiver manufacturers, etc.
@@ConcealedSteel FWIW, I have SSA-E's in three different guns, one being an AR-10. I don't have a gauge, but each one feels different. To your point, each receiver is different.
No doubt these are all good triggers. Pick either company. Me personally, LaRue has better presentation and representation of what a company should be. Quality products,great price, wonderful packaging and a free dillo bottle opener around Christmas 🎄 time. Is geissele nice? Yes. Is it worth $240? Yes. Is LaRue MBT 2s nice? Yes. Is it worth $80. Absolutely.
Nicely stated. I also love how Mark Larue gets involved with giving money to fight for our rights as well.
One pound trigger. Why would you want a one pound trigger?
SSA-E is usually around 3-3.5lbs. His seems to be an anomaly.
Say "hand" again