Recreating Chris Lord-Alge’s Studio Mix LA? Waves CLA Nx Plugin
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CLA Nx brings Grammy-winning mixer Chris Lord-Alge's famed Mix LA studio control room to any pair of headphones - so you can monitor reliably on headphones and make better mixing decisions anywhere, anytime.
After faithfully modeling Chris’s console and classic hardware gear in previous plugins, Waves and CLA have finally teamed up to replicate Chris’s room acoustics and monitoring system. The CLA Nx plugin combines Waves Nx spatial audio technology with precise measurements of Mix LA, to model the acoustic response of Chris’s mix room inside any set of headphones.
Built by premier studio designer Vincent Van Hoff, Mix LA has been Chris Lord-Alge’s studio since 2008. This is the room he has trusted to deliver mixes for Bruce Springsteen, Green Day, Muse and countless top artists.
Chris’s complete monitoring setup is now available over any headphones via CLA Nx. This includes the acoustic response of Chris’s NS10-modeled CLA-10 nearfield monitors, coupled with his subwoofer system; his custom-built Ocean Way farfield speakers, modified to his specs; and even the boombox model he relies on to check how his mixes will translate to small-speaker devices.
With CLA Nx you can:
- Trust your headphone mixes to translate reliably to diverse sound systems
- Reference your tracks on an expertly calibrated monitoring environment
- Make better decisions on headphones about mix depth, stereo imaging, low-end response, reverb amount & more
If your room doesn’t have great acoustic treatment - now you can monitor through CLA’s expertly designed Mix LA acoustics on your headphones. Even if you do have a well-treated mix room - CLA Nx gives you another great reference environment to check your mixes.
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What are some of YOUR favourite plugins to use? Comment them below!
RVox and MV2 of course!
Definitely CLA's Epic
@Frank Lee marvellous!
@@promixacademy6904 of course!!
@@darlenesheffield9835 seems popular!
Come on Waves give us a plugin from Warren Huart!!
Haha YES!!
I would definitely get that!
@@TruAudioPro thanks ever so much!!
A Warren Huart perfect low end plugin for the master bus by waves would be pretty dang cool actually
@@don_ald1 haha I have ideas!
After years of being frustrated with the quality of mixes, I decided to give this a shot as well with zero expectations going in. I just completely re-did a track I was working on entirely through this and then played it on my studio monitors and my Mac speakers and BAM it translated really well! I am genuinely very happy now - a lot of my frustrations with mix quality have disappeared and I can just focus on the music and how good it sounds to my ears without worrying too much about translation.
Now, I don't think it makes sense to use _only_ this plugin, but used in combination with a reference track and switching occasionally to the boombox, mains and my own studio monitors (in a amateur acoustically treated living room space), this really is a game changer - for me at least. I will note that the EQ correction is really important and I happened to have the Sennheiser HD600s, which is supported, so worked well for me.
Wow! Thanks ever so much for sharing! I really appreciate your insight!
Just got the email notification from Waves funnily enough! Will definitely be investing
Very cool!
I recently used the Abbey Road NX plugin to make a mock drum room mic (stereo). I just bussed the drums tracks I wanted into separate group and put the AR plugin on them. I also put a de esser on there to help tame the cymbals but overall it worked very well.
i put the CLA NX on Parallel track in the studio rack and blended it like 10% and paralleled the Nx to an L1 track with about 5-7%, and wow a very cool trick, i just held my head still for a test bounce, it sounds like god touched it, very sick with mains speaker mode
I always love watching you work.... and I walk away a bit more confident!
Thanks ever so much
Wow ! Thank you so much for this very useful video. Testing the usefulness of such a plugin is really difficult I think. And you did it well !!!
Cheers Warren, quite a technical video all explained so well, thankyou
Another great advancement in home recording and mixing. I am a big fan of the Abbey Road version and was planning to demo the Blackbird version, glad to see a CLA version. The number of true game changers we have had in the past 10 years or so; from the UA Apollo, to synth and piano plugins, to modeling microphones, and now to a mixing setup; just incredible!
Just bought it and loving it!
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
The head tracking is amazing not to mention the quality of the speaker/room emulation! Super cool, can't wait for what the future has in store with this technology
Thanks ever so much Eric!
Bruh, what an amazing freakin' time to be alive!
Wonderful!!
Reliable mix's that sit well in any environment Gold! A happy Place for Music... (A super tool To help achieve that).. Cheers.. I try to Listen... more than I HEAR... Super thankyou
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
This song and video are killer! thankyou
Thanks ever so much
I had to replace my headphones earlier this year and could never get to a point where I could trust what I hear with them. I decided to pull the trigger on CLA Nx and it was incredible! I felt like I could make decisions as confidently as I could on my old headphones and the results are finally great and quick again!
As someone who does not have an acoustically treated room and uses headphones for mixing, plugins like these are perfect for me as a way to know how it can sound. Of course, I also do my road tests because 1) it’s one more piece of information and 2) driving is fun 😁
Hi Derek, thanks ever so much much!
I picked this up last night. It's amazing what a difference these make with 7506 headphones. I have a pair of DT880s being re-drivered and can't wait to see how they react. But overall, I wish I'd had this years ago.
Dang. Didnt like the sound at all without the cla after a while. Huge difference. Thank you!
You’re very welcome!
Love this plugin. Bought it as soon at it dropped. My Comments/opinion on this technology: I'm old school and been in some really great rooms and some really terrible ones. Now, I can have great rooms anywhere anytime. We use IR(s) for reverbs etc, why not use IR(s) from world class studios to create spaces people can mix in. Logical next step. Hell, I like listening to my mixes in CLA's, or Ocean Way or Abbey Road any time I want. These plugins are good/great and it only gets better from here. I'd say check it out and see if your mixes translate to your liking.
I don't mix on headphones but I do use these plugs as another system to check mixes on. Very useful to check on these if you mix on speakers in a small room with low ambience. I don't use head tracking.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Chris!
If you don't have any of the headphones listed you can listen to music you know first until you get familiar with the sound. That's what I did with the Abbey Rd version. Sort of like knowing your studio monitors before doing any mixing. I like having the option of software like this. It is less expensive then buying more monitors.
I've been using the Ocean Way Nashville NX plugin for the last several months and really love it. Can't wait to check out this one!.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
I am like you bought this and its GREAT
Yes, but just as the acoustics of a room support the the frequencies of a recording, they also support the frequencies of reverb, because it is also a complexity of reflected frequencies. So I think it makes since that a software room simulation would bring the reverb into focus as well, rather than the softwares simulated ambience detracting from the reverb. I think this suggests that this software is successful in what it sets out to accomplish. I like it. I have Abbey Road 3 which I quite like as well.
Thanks ever so much for sharing your opinion!!
I’ve been unfortunate enough to only be mixing on headphones since I started a few years ago. So I have been using the Abbey Road AND the Nashville plug ins with sonarworks after them and flick between the too and I am totally used to my headphones and mixing through those plug ins. So I will be getting the trial of this for now to flick between the three. Been loving the Abbey Road version and I also don’t like what I hear when going to just flat headphones. Great review and walkthrough of this plugin Warren! Great work as always!
the disconcerting thing for me was whenever you turn your head, the sound spread across the speakers changes as well. Listening on a pair of Mackie HR624's. Surreal!!
It is a little strange at first then quite natural!!
It will be (much more) natural when its YOU turning YOUR head yourself though! ;-)
Hey Warren, sorry to ask you about this here, but are you using a Sony 7506?
I mainly use an Audio Technica Ath m40x and from time to time I check on an AKG.
Do you prefer the Sony?
I like this a little better than the ocean way... its already made my mixing better... LOVE the boom box...lol
Hi Warren, i actually got this, if there is a consistent issue that shows up when i am comparing my mix with this, reference and some other room emulations that i have accumulated then i know it needs some attention, i don't know if i would mix through it but more use it for a final checking point like a car check, have a great day, all the best.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Darren! I really appreciate it
Thanks for this great information Warren!This looks amazing! CLA-76; the entire customized CLA Suite; CLA-2A Bundle; as well as all his PRESETS on the SSL Channel plugins are some of my favorites to employ during mixing. CLA don't play! Peace.
I think you give a fair assessment on these plugins. Your experience shows that. There’s another person that does product reviews but I feel he’s very biased. So I appreciate your honest review. I have the abbey roads one. I think it sounds good. I would like to get this one and the Nashville one soon. I think it would be cool if they work on other environments, such as, mastering rooms, inside various cars, and concert halls, kind of like Steven Slates headphone modeling. I’m sure they are working on it or will soon. Thanks for your review!!
Fave plugins? I go through obsessions... I'm currently on saturation plugins.
Black Box HG-2MS, Decapitator, Saturn
Overall: Nova and Span.
Thanks ever so much for sharing!
awesome stuff
Thanks Titus!
I've always wanted to try these types of plugins. I think I'm going to try the demo version since I have a current project and just see what's up. Pretty cool, especially for people who can't or don't have treated rooms, monitors, etc. We need a version of YOUR room!
Also, are you a Robert Johnson fan? Saw the Brother Robert book. I'm a massive blues fan.
Perfect! That’s the best way to tell, to use the demo and see for yourself!
What I wonder is if the CLA Ocean Way speakers sound like the Nashville plugin....(but the set of speakers sized between the two Nashviille choices...the 1 and the 5s). I like the mains on this plug as I do Abbey Road, because it extends the headphones lower, it seems. But I like the Nashville plug over Abbey Rd. This will be a good purchase for the big Ocean Way mains in chris' studio and the boombox.
Also, not sure if you noticed. When you compared the plugin in and out, your ambience knob was on the minimum, so there was no much ambience added. I think it's best to compare at all settings on their default position and only reducing the level if it clips. But other than that, great video!
Yes, if you watched the video you'll see I went to 60% which is how I like it to sound. When you try the demo you could set it how you would like it to be. There's nothing to clip in that section, it's just how much room ambience you prefer, I preferred it at 60%. Many thanks
Excellent review of the CLA Nx plug-in. Succint and not repetitive unlike your other videos. Do you see yourself using this software inside your studio excluding hotel rooms Warren?
Hi Warren,
how did the mix you did with the plugin translate on your real speakers?
For me the head tracking sounded amazing and the over spill from the left and right channel to each other, made it much more pleasant to listen on headphones.
I'm just not sure about the headphone EQ. But I guess that I would have to try with my own headphones.
Hey Warren, you can wrap a piece of string around your head at the measurement locations and then measure the string with a ruler! ;)
Haha indeed! We didn’t have a ruler either that was long! Haha
DT-1990 Pro with Sonarworks calibration profile and just bought this, since my room is not at all sound treated, literally bedroom and my own krk monitors exactly not high end. But I have calibrated my monitors/room with that Sonarworks mix what came with this Sonarworks studio edition, so guess that should help too if I want to use my own monitors, exactly why I bought it to calibrate my headphones and my monitors/room, but there will be most of the timr when I can't blast my monitors and keep making music nonstop because other people will hear that too on my own apartment.
there is another boom box among the reverbs - a Sony ZS M1 with MiniDisc, does that also have a function?
Hi Thanks for all your tube stuff, but how did your mix sound when you turn off the nx and listen back through your speakers in your room was it good?Thanks Rick Somerset UK
Is it possible for us to get/buy this song´s multitrack file? Just like the one you got, completely raw? It has some good tones and would be fun to play around with it. Cheers!
"unless you are listening on 7506s you won't hear what I hear" - It was at that point that I remembered I had a pair of MDR-7506s in my Laptop Bag, Doh! Wow what a difference after I put them on, much better! I think it's going to be hard to make a judgement on this if you are listening on anything else?
Indeed! That’s wonderful that you have the 7506’s! However, for those that don’t I suggest the free trial and test it for yourself!
Bonjour Warren! If I already own Abbey Road Studio 3 (and I like it), is it worth getting this one too? What more is it going to get me? Thanks.
So how did the mix translate to your monitors after you messed with it for the video? Thats the key here. Was it better?
This is fascinating!! I have a pair 7506s. I do have loss in the 5-8k range (likely from tracking & mixing on these headphones). For the past few years, I’ve been mixing on speakers, but I still check on the 7506. I REALLY like the simulated room, but I feel like I would need to “learn” how to hear it…I wish I could add the “room” to my iPhone so I could listen to commercial releases in the “room.” That would be ideal.
Thanks SO MUCH for making this video. It taught me more about how my headphones actually sound than I ever thought it would.
Maybe I should get different headphones with a better curve… 🤔
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Very interesting idea! Yes, I would suggest try the free trial and put some songs you know into a session and listen to them
There actually already is a Waves NX iOS app in the App Store (not sure about android) but it’s ‘generic’ and works with your own library & SoundCloud only I think (not when on TH-cam / safari etc) and what I mean with generic is you can’t select Ocean Waves , abbey Road or CLA etc unfortunately, but no doubt that will come with some additional £ some day?!
@@hettovennik2887 thanks for the info!
This might be hard to pass up given the intro price... future WUP issues aside, lol. I tried the dSONIQ Realphones trial, and I'm strongly considering it, but this new CLA room is enticing. If I do get it, it would be the first CLA plugin I've gotten. Being in a small apartment, something like this is super useful as an additional way to reference the mix since I'm pretty much forced to use headphones.
Incidentally, this video has also re-highlighted the CLA Mixhub for me as well. I had kind of overlooked it since I have the Waves E Channel already and NLS as well, but I may have to think about getting the Mixhub after all.
Thanks, Warren!
Thanks David letting us know your process! I agree, at first I was discombobulated haha then I loved it!
@@levondarratt787 no doubt, and I’ve really enjoyed using it, and I may go ahead and get Realphones. This CLA one, at the intro price is also something to consider, and honestly I could get both the dSONIQ and this one, and not feel too bad about it, regardless of which one I end up using the most.
@@levondarratt787 I haven't tried the Nashville one, but I had planned on getting the demo after my Realphones trial ran out. Then this CLA one dropped and I think I'm gonna go ahead and get it with such a low price. I might still demo the Nashville one, but ultimately I don't need more than a couple of these things for use as a reference...
We need PLAP series of plugins by Waves :)
Haha great idea!!
I don't know what you're hearing in the headphones, but I'd hate to have mix it with what's coming out of the speakers at this end. The headphone EQ makes a big difference though. It's certainly an interesting plugin.
Best thing to do is just demo it and see if it works for you!
Great video Warren , how do u feel mixing on sony your thoughts please
I have the Abbey Road version. I think I'm going to need to get the head tracker. I would love to know what room, between those two, makes you feel most comfortable.
Love that snare sound. Any virtual instruments that have that type of snare sound?
EZdrummer 2
Warren, have you tried the slate headphones yet and if so how do they compare?
I’m hoping to try it very soon Derek!
Been getting good results with the Oceanway Nx….. Head tracking permanently off though. Doing pans in bypass so I can be sure what’s happening with the old earbuds.
I'm just watching this video and would like to know what a "Boombox" is. And if you're really take your time and going to answer this, I've got one more question: If I bought this plugin, where would I have to put it for using it to get better mixes? On the Stereo out of Logic, on every track, or what else? You see, I've no idea about this and it would be nice to know ...
Hi Warren
i brought the other two nx plugins a way back.. i don`t use them much because of an annoying time lag, i had hoped it was just me but watching you video i notice it is still there.. or is it really just me ??
anyway thanks again for a fantastic video
cheers
T
in what situation would you place AMBIENCE at 160% (max)?
I found the head size measurements made a big difference to me
Fantastic! Thanks ever so much for sharing!!
Always speaking about crossfeed and flattening headphones there is a nice video with Bob Katz about the good results using the Harman eq curve on headphones, but it is not clear how to use in practise, because he supposed we know the frequency response of our headphones and how to compensate (reverse curve ? Linear or minimum phase eq ), because not only the eq but also the phase response can play a crucial role for some frequencies, what do you think ? the last bottleneck could be, with minor weight probably, the head size and earlobo shape and dimension. Finally last game hw toys for pc is a vibrating tool to feel the bass with the cheast too, the future of the next Nx technology ? CIAO :-D
So if you have a set of headphones that's on the list, you set that headphones EQ as active? What does it actually do?
It compensates the frequencies so that the response is flat.
Great! Interesting, maybe I will get this since I can’t afford the Abbey yet 😂
Is this possible that this Plugin sounds bad with the new Ambisonic 3D if Cubase 12?
Hey, Warren, great video!
I got one question, though, I have the Abbey Road Studio 3.7 and the NX Ocean Way, do you think this is a must have or the ones I have are good enough?
Thought the same. Wish we received a response.
Did you find out the answer yet?@@ChazJazzNY
Amazing, Sir Warren, thx!
I don't personally want the bread tracker. Not interesting to me. Maybe I'm just inexperienced...
Thanks Brian!
Warren look a little down from there you "see" boombox. His boombox sitting in the rack just under there.
That was spooky, hearing the sound pan right while watching you turn your head to my right… I think the headphone EQ function is absolutely critical. Everything you did, with and without the plug-in, sounded far more balanced in the mid-bass with the headphone EQ turned off.
What is the name of the song and artist you have played in the begining
4:31 the boom box is down there not up there XD
Hi Warren.......who's the band that you're playing.......???? Loving that song...!!!!
how much does cost a master or a mix with chris lord alge
What do you think of the new pro tools theme (customizable dark/classic mode) and all the new features?
I have to try it! I use Dark Theme on my Lap Top!
@@Producelikeapro audio to midi is a great feature! No more melodyne to extract midi data from the audio file, think you’ll love it
@@AA-fi8bz thanks ever so much for sharing that!
Hi, it would be interesting to compare two mix of the same song, one done with real speakers and the other one usinf this plugin or other similar as well (Sienna, Vrmbox, morphit+CanOpener, ecc..). This is the real thing everyone liked to buy a plugin like this wants to know. If otherwise it's only a matter to overcome the ear fatigue and to have anothe tool to listen detail and make decision there are many vst, also free, useful for this: Ambeo orbit, Tb Isone and many Others, it is possible also to calibrate the Head for the HRTF, an so on...
So..... I went back and watched the Abbey Road episode...So....
If you are on a desert island, with only your laptop, interface and compatible head phones.... Which room would you choose? LA or AR?
I dont really expect an answer :)
Ooo haha! Emotionally Abbey Road, intellectually CLA! Love Tham both!
Actually the boombox is on the middle bottom shelf of the rack! 😜
The band you're working on kinda sounds like Dispatch, for those that remember them.
I do remember them! Good call
Come on Waves, guess which target audience is missing out MASSIVELY when it comes to studio emulation on headphones... mobile users! I have an iPaid Air 4 and, apart from a "tinny" room emulation (an auv3 called VirtualRoom), there is nothing to mix reliably through.
Actually, I lie - there is corrective EQ via ToneBoosters Morphit, but we need something like CLA Nx.
Note: it would defeat the purpose to route my iPad through my laptop. ;)
Technology is insane
It certainly is!
Yes! They all tend to exagerate problems which is useful never the less :-)
There are 10 CLA Nx review videos on youtube uploaded in a single day :*)
Haha they sent it to me to review and said I could release it today! Guess I’m not the only person who reviewed it! Although with the potential 1 million music related videos that went up today it’s merely a drop in the Ocean!
I can't seem to find a reason to mix on headphones unless you have real good studio headphones and have to keep it down. But the biggest issue is the separation of the left and right channel as it enters your ears and gets to your brain. In addition to that, this plugin only makes sense when you have the exact headphone model they use in this plugin. Because it's an emulation it is only emulating a room we all probably never have been in. So what do you want to know? Your own room, or a room you don't know? Also this emulation is basically just an EQ that you slam as the first insert on your 2-track. I didn't like the Nashville Plugin and I'm not up for this. It's good to see that WAVES invest in new technology and do research, but for the average home based producer, a good room or a paid Mix-Engineer will take us further. Just my 2 cents
PS: The Sub on the NS-10 is strange too. If you could turn the Sub off, ok. But why put a Sub on the Yamahas in the first place? You wouldn't work a Auratone centered in the middle with a Sub. The NS-10 are supposed to sound mid, less lows and less highs.
PPS: Thanks Warren for the work and the testing. You guys are awesome. Auf Wiedersehen :)
next will be 'in the car nx' u can take your mixing reference even in the middle of the ocean
Slate has already done in the car!
That isn't the Boombox at the top, that is his EMT 246. The Boombox is the black thing with speakers either side, in the rack directly below it 👍🏻
I mix on Yamaha MSP5's at a low level in an untreated room (my flat's living room) and have ATH-50x's to check the bass, as obviously the former miss a lot of it. I've tried this and think I'm definitely going to get it - do my main mixing on MSP5's, then over to the free Acustica Sienna HOG Sun218 Peasure preset for the low end, the CLA-10's for that mid focus, Boombox for high end, then the Mains to bring it all together. Just listening to reference tracks this way has been incredibly enlightening.
The clocks are stuck at 3:12
I really don't know why you would want something like this. Even if you use headphones. I would think it would make it even harder to mix on them. I have a good room and monitors that are flat within 2 db from 30-20,000 hz, in room response with no correction. I am guessing even the pro's don't have that. With my subwoofer, down to 14 hz.
I wanna a "WH Nx" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If I can’t easily run my Mac OS through it I don’t see the point. I’d love to use it to listen to iTunes, TH-cam, my day to day activities (so I can learn the room) but to not know the room at all and just throw the plugin on for mixing is !weird!
Would you say one is better than the other, between this and AR?…
I tested the Abbey Road at the actual studio so I know it’s very accurate! I haven’t done that with CLA’s, although I’ve worked on that room you can’t rely on memory! Have to do a direct comparison. I don’t like to comment and have opinions based on memories, just real experience
@@Producelikeapro I appreciate that integrity of judgment. If the CLA room is accurate, is there any advantage-sonically-of one over the other, to your knowledge?
I like the "stereo clock" on Chris's wall LOL
Haha indeed!
Hi Warren, another killer as always!
Question: So CLA is not using only a "dry" NS-10 but always with a sub add? What sub is He using?
Cheers from Poland!
This plugin is pretty mid and bass heavy. I did a few reference mixes and could hear the difference but I know my headphones so well that I can get similar results without the plugin. To an extent I’m still uncertain how much value this adds, saying that for 29 biscuits it’s pretty cheap. The boom box is in the rack :)
For me - I'm using the Abbey Road version for reference since it was released - the "problem" is all in what you pointed out, Warren: the studio ambient gives you the "illusion" that you have... well, "ambient space" in your mix, while it's not. So.... useful for reference, for me, as another tool to check the mix, as the car, phone, etc. But I can't mix directly in it.
I find it weird, if the room emulation is the point, Why even think about moving the sweet spot with head tracking? Sure. You can disable it... but then thats not the point.
Dusty Hill bass player for ZZTop found died in his sleep in Houston Texas
Sounds like the Chillies😂
...anyone still use stock plug-in's? they are actually getting to a point where you only need a couple. or am i crazy?! LOL
Putting lendary mixing skill aside, I can't be the only one that thinks CLA is a massive shill at this point.
Sadly, nowadays most of the people listen music in smartphones!!! It´s not the best experience. You know that!
... that's not the Boombox! It's kind of a larc.
Haha the boom box? I’ve been on the room and heard my songs mixed through it
What he meant was, what you pointed to was not the boombox. The boombox lives half way down in the rack.
It used to be on top though. So your both right!
I didn’t realise I specifically pointed to it! Oops hahah
You know Warren is old when he compares the Nx head tracker to a Vive headset😭