That book will bring you to only one place in the long run. Hell. I recommend you watch one of Pastor Mike Hoggard's many videos on Manly P Hall and that particular book.
@@nicolo3588 According to your book, you're very likely to end up there yourself. Seeing as how FEW there are that enter according to Jesus and how Many will say LORD LORD. Hope that gives you discomfort and doubt. The fact that you may think you know that you know and still be damningly mistaken.
maybe it will be of your interest to know that, Islamic mysticism, e.g., Sufism or Darwishism, is mainly about Mithraism and Zoroastrianism too. For example, we in Sufism have a tradition as "Kish-e-Mehr" which literally means the tradition of worshiping and admiring Sun and Kindness. It is basically, a huge huge portion of Sufism. Also, the language of Sufism changed from Arabic to Persian. And the rituals became drinking wine, love, dancing, music, and arts. These are all teachings and traditions of Zoroastrianism and Mithraism. Besides, Islamic rituals such as the superiority of one language (praying in Arabic) and the superiority of one land (Haj), Jihad, and even Fasting (sometimes) have been ridiculed over and over. By the way. good job. Thanks!
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.however, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
Awesome bottom up cultural descriptions for how ideology and ritual function in society. I also love the lack of pretense in your presentation. Great work! I'm going to listen to this again later today. Thank you!
The 24th/25th is not a miscalculation; it comes from being exactly three days AFTER the solstice. This relates to the three days that “Christ” was in the tomb/womb, and the three days that the moon takes to show light after being “new” every MOONth. This is why “St. John’s Day,” is the 24th of June, also exactly three days after the Summer Solstice. Jon = Oannes the solar fish man, aka “the beast out of the sea,” in reference to the 666 total and annular solar eclipses per 325 year Sar cycle. This is why you find in Christian texts that Jon says “I must descended and G-Zeus must ascend.” The hours of daylight following the summer and winter solstice.
I actually found online an essay, that MLK Jr. wrote, basically laying his case for his belief that Christianity is essentially Mithraism. That was years ago, so I rejected it wholeheartedly. I have learned quite a bit since...I get it. Make no mistake though. The "God" nor Messiah of the christian church and the "God" & Messiah of the Bible are not the same.
thank u very much .Im a persian who look for forgotten religion of his ancestor. I searched Farsi websites but I could not find any good information a bout mithraism .intersting that we have mitra name in our womans but no one dont know much a bout it .
This is great! Enjoyed it a lot. My questions regarding Age of Taurus. On the one hand, we know that the ancients knew that the constellation at new year (in spring) changed. But did they call Taurus the bull because bulls were worshipped in that time? Surely humans had been worshiping bulls for thousands of years (e.g. the 17,000-year-old cave paintings in Lascaux). So when did they connect Taurus the constellation to the significance of bulls in their daily lives? Was there an age of Gemini before Taurus? Or did they call it Age of Plough (Gemini sort of looks like a plough and before the domestication of bulls the plough must ve been important). This is my doubt in the work of Reza Jorjani, sometimes he likes to fill in the blanks :) It seems that the Greek names for constellations come from Sumer. I wonder if the Sumerians killed the Gemini to usher in the Taurus... Uniquely to the Bronze Age are trade routes that required empires and standards of ethical and spiritual conduct. That leads me to think that this is when constellations were named and that before the Bronze Age people just called it whatever the tribe's elder preferred.
You bring up many interesting points, most of which can't be addressed unless you're "filling in the blanks" as you said. When it comes to reconstructing the past this far, the only real means we can have it cooking up some speculation and waiting to see if any evidence uncovers itself to substantiate it. However, the one thing I feel like I can comment on is the Bull worship notion. Based off what I've looked into, we see alot of variation as to how and why it was done, i.e. Hinduism in contrast with modern rodeo, I discern that alot of the references to bull gods, mythic bulls more often then not is a nod to the astrological age, the ruling archetype, and not necessarily a cleanly ascribed singular entity (like how we often interpret what the ancients mean by a god). I'd dive a bit deeper in, but I'll be addressing alot of these points in the upcoming video. To get to the root of how the constellations were ascribed and how they acquired the knowledge of their functions, we have to swim in the waters of shamanism.
@@cgdahlin appreciate the time to answer my questions and look forward to your next videos. The evidence is there, that humans observed the transition Taurus-Aries, imo. But what about other transitions of the Ages?
@@jochemlambers That begs the question of truly how long have humans inhabited the earth in the way that we contemporary recognize and also the question how long we've been in the know-how of the precession of the equinoxes. If we're being way oversimplifying, we trace back to the Age of Leo, where it's believed the Sphinx was constructed as that symbol/worship. The subsequent Age of Cancer, Gaia worship, Goddess worship globally, the pre-Greek colonies worshipping Aphrodite. The Age of Gemini is a bit more abstract (naturally being that it's an air sign), the age where universality was brought to the collective consciousness, communication, an age of recording, model building, sophisticated trade routes, seemingly no embodying manmade symbol for this age (but then again, again an abstract age). From there what's more recognizable, Taurus, to Aries, to Pieces, and now the approach of the "New Age". The Astrology in Religion and New Age videos touch on this, I'd love to do a full deep dive on this topic of all the ages in the future. I appreciate your questions.
Gonna push back on the "duality of slaying the bull." Tiamat was alternatively referenced as a cow. In the Norse Pantheon, Ymir is nourished by the cow and you referenced the Hindu version. In all these cases the cow is an entity at the beginning of time, part of the genesis story. The slaying of the bull (or the next subordinate in the pantheon) is a act of creation of the world. I very much doubt the mythology at the core of Mithraism originates in Iran. Rather, it was likely transported to Persia by the Proto-Indo European culture, from Eurasia. This would be supported by the Phrygian/Scythian cap that Mithras wears, as the Scythians were a PIE culture, themselves. But it's more likely these cultures derive from north of the black sea. Perhaps Mithraism is an Persian version of the Central PIE mythology, but it is not the source of the myth and it's irresponsible to assign origins of things to Persia. I think the Islamophobia probably has to do with the rampant Islamic terrorism.
This is a well thought out comment. The course has certainly helped elaborate more on this discussion as it has continued, a great instance is the ancient Egyptian practice of the slaying of Apis. As for placement, it is heavy handed to throw too much of the credo in Iran, provided little more than the namedrop of Mithras in the regional pantheon. As many discussions of religious traditions elucidate, the question of where is this coming from, always seems to span out, sometimes even across the world. This session was one of the first and certainly deserves a touching back on in future sessions.
@@cgdahlin and WHAT a session! I learned a lot about the ideas behind Mithraism and heard things here I haven't heard other places. Mithraism is one of the most compelling mystery religions for me. It was, supposedly somewhat widespread and, as you elaborated, a competitor to Christianity and I'm fortunate you made this video and published it for us, thank you. What about the Lionheaded man? The statues are alternatively referenced as Arimanius(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimanius) or as Mithra, himself. But the "Lion man" is also found elsewhere, such as the Lowenmensche (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man).
I've always wondered why the Hadiths have been the narrative of the Muslims, composed by famous Iranian scholars, during the Abyssyd caliphate, where their fathers were Zoroastrian priests. The Hadiths made Muhammads life and journey like Zarathustra. Reading the Quran with Mithraism in sight, you kinda see a pattern as to what or who it was referring to as the lost of the day. Especially when it re-narrates the story of the boys in the cave in the view of the original Christian by the Quran. The gospel states they were sent to purify, whereas the Quran mentioned they were sent to hide from the new religion that would form. It's just interesting too that second passages of the Quran was a warning of the heifer, and how to identify it. So much to unravel to remove this confusion that is religion that divides (words).
@@cgdahlin Excellent! Good to know. Thanks. Nowadays, anyone can open a TH-cam channel and talk about what they don't know. The topic of religions and sacred traditions is one of the most corrupted on TH-cam!
Wormhole-ing into THIS now….🕳️🤯 Even MORE incredible how much of what people practice today in the Abrahamic Religions ties all the way back to this. Chocked FULL of familiar symbolism, magic, astrology, & ritual. I did NOT know the mythological connection between Santa & Mithras, nor the connection of the Catholic Priests’ color scheme to the Amanita Muscaria.🎅🏻🍄 Truly having a DUH moment with that one. 😅🤦🏻♀️ This all inspires an interesting thought - how in modernity, the majority of people who follow the Abrahamic Religions & Traditions [I want to say mostly the Christians here, it seems] apparently have a problem when people who don’t follow those Doctrines “cherry pick” their beliefs….when “technically” [tracing this History back]….they’ve seemed to “cherry pick” quite a bit. SORRY Christians…don’t come for me 🍒😅 I know everything is just a collection of what came before, just altered for the Times, as well as keeping Traditions, so it made conversions easier….just….WHYYYYY can’t people respect what came before….honorably & with reverence, ya know?! 🤷🏻♀️ . . . Sky burials DOOOO seem pretty fascinating, though 🌌✨
i would love to heare more of youre sorces for what you are saying. All scholurs on the subjekt i have heard so far says that we have no historical written acount of what cult of mithras belived. only that we have pictures from the tempels and records of what christians wrote about them. If I have a grasp on how you are coming to youre conclusions it is going to be helpful for me to form my own conclusions. :)
Fascinating isn't that? I initially came across Mithraism in the same way, everything speaking that it's effectively a "dead religion," knowing nothing more than that it existed. It is true that alot of the information has to come through deduction and and reverse engineering when it comes to Mithraism, but more has been unraveled than one might assume. Instead of Mithraism, look up "Mithra" alone, then "Mitra" should point you toward the originating Hindu god, Jason Reza Jorjani is great resource on the topic, whether through publication or interview. In regards to the ties to Zoroastrianism, I'm getting that straight from the "Avesta." Branching from these research points, you should be able to curate all the information to your heart's content. Happy wormhole-ing.
CG DAHLIN thanks. :) And have you seen Religion for breakfirst guy? I think he is realy good and he have a nice mithras video. th-cam.com/video/xlF0gVedODE/w-d-xo.html
-- if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.however, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences...see my additional info about Mithra..above/below..
I just found this course/ your channel, and I'm binge listening and can't get enough! Absolutely fascinating. Fantastic job. Thank you!
The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P Hall brought me here. Fascinating stuff. Thank you for your time and effort.
That book will bring you to only one place in the long run. Hell. I recommend you watch one of Pastor Mike Hoggard's many videos on Manly P Hall and that particular book.
@@nicolo3588 According to your book, you're very likely to end up there yourself. Seeing as how FEW there are that enter according to Jesus and how Many will say LORD LORD. Hope that gives you discomfort and doubt. The fact that you may think you know that you know and still be damningly mistaken.
maybe it will be of your interest to know that, Islamic mysticism, e.g., Sufism or Darwishism, is mainly about Mithraism and Zoroastrianism too. For example, we in Sufism have a tradition as "Kish-e-Mehr" which literally means the tradition of worshiping and admiring Sun and Kindness. It is basically, a huge huge portion of Sufism. Also, the language of Sufism changed from Arabic to Persian. And the rituals became drinking wine, love, dancing, music, and arts. These are all teachings and traditions of Zoroastrianism and Mithraism. Besides, Islamic rituals such as the superiority of one language (praying in Arabic) and the superiority of one land (Haj), Jihad, and even Fasting (sometimes) have been ridiculed over and over.
By the way. good job. Thanks!
if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.however, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
Not even 10 mins in and fascinated. Great work
My new favourite channel! You deserve much more attention. May you future soon be fruitful!
great stuff here, nice tying of things together
Awesome bottom up cultural descriptions for how ideology and ritual function in society. I also love the lack of pretense in your presentation. Great work! I'm going to listen to this again later today. Thank you!
The 24th/25th is not a miscalculation; it comes from being exactly three days AFTER the solstice. This relates to the three days that “Christ” was in the tomb/womb, and the three days that the moon takes to show light after being “new” every MOONth.
This is why “St. John’s Day,” is the 24th of June, also exactly three days after the Summer Solstice. Jon = Oannes the solar fish man, aka “the beast out of the sea,” in reference to the 666 total and annular solar eclipses per 325 year Sar cycle.
This is why you find in Christian texts that Jon says “I must descended and G-Zeus must ascend.” The hours of daylight following the summer and winter solstice.
I actually found online an essay, that MLK Jr. wrote, basically laying his case for his belief that Christianity is essentially Mithraism. That was years ago, so I rejected it wholeheartedly.
I have learned quite a bit since...I get it.
Make no mistake though. The "God" nor Messiah of the christian church and the "God" & Messiah of the Bible are not the same.
keep up the work, been listening to them before bed some nights
thank u very much .Im a persian who look for forgotten religion of his ancestor. I searched Farsi websites but I could not find any good information a bout mithraism .intersting that we have mitra name in our womans but no one dont know much a bout it .
It would actually become the state religion in 394. It was legalized in 312. I mix it up alot too. Great video
This is great! Enjoyed it a lot.
My questions regarding Age of Taurus. On the one hand, we know that the ancients knew that the constellation at new year (in spring) changed. But did they call Taurus the bull because bulls were worshipped in that time? Surely humans had been worshiping bulls for thousands of years (e.g. the 17,000-year-old cave paintings in Lascaux). So when did they connect Taurus the constellation to the significance of bulls in their daily lives?
Was there an age of Gemini before Taurus? Or did they call it Age of Plough (Gemini sort of looks like a plough and before the domestication of bulls the plough must ve been important). This is my doubt in the work of Reza Jorjani, sometimes he likes to fill in the blanks :) It seems that the Greek names for constellations come from Sumer. I wonder if the Sumerians killed the Gemini to usher in the Taurus...
Uniquely to the Bronze Age are trade routes that required empires and standards of ethical and spiritual conduct. That leads me to think that this is when constellations were named and that before the Bronze Age people just called it whatever the tribe's elder preferred.
You bring up many interesting points, most of which can't be addressed unless you're "filling in the blanks" as you said. When it comes to reconstructing the past this far, the only real means we can have it cooking up some speculation and waiting to see if any evidence uncovers itself to substantiate it. However, the one thing I feel like I can comment on is the Bull worship notion. Based off what I've looked into, we see alot of variation as to how and why it was done, i.e. Hinduism in contrast with modern rodeo, I discern that alot of the references to bull gods, mythic bulls more often then not is a nod to the astrological age, the ruling archetype, and not necessarily a cleanly ascribed singular entity (like how we often interpret what the ancients mean by a god). I'd dive a bit deeper in, but I'll be addressing alot of these points in the upcoming video. To get to the root of how the constellations were ascribed and how they acquired the knowledge of their functions, we have to swim in the waters of shamanism.
@@cgdahlin appreciate the time to answer my questions and look forward to your next videos.
The evidence is there, that humans observed the transition Taurus-Aries, imo. But what about other transitions of the Ages?
@@jochemlambers That begs the question of truly how long have humans inhabited the earth in the way that we contemporary recognize and also the question how long we've been in the know-how of the precession of the equinoxes. If we're being way oversimplifying, we trace back to the Age of Leo, where it's believed the Sphinx was constructed as that symbol/worship. The subsequent Age of Cancer, Gaia worship, Goddess worship globally, the pre-Greek colonies worshipping Aphrodite. The Age of Gemini is a bit more abstract (naturally being that it's an air sign), the age where universality was brought to the collective consciousness, communication, an age of recording, model building, sophisticated trade routes, seemingly no embodying manmade symbol for this age (but then again, again an abstract age). From there what's more recognizable, Taurus, to Aries, to Pieces, and now the approach of the "New Age". The Astrology in Religion and New Age videos touch on this, I'd love to do a full deep dive on this topic of all the ages in the future. I appreciate your questions.
Minoans was in the age of the bull. That's how they approximately know on what time line they existed. You know as the bull was their symbol
Gonna push back on the "duality of slaying the bull."
Tiamat was alternatively referenced as a cow. In the Norse Pantheon, Ymir is nourished by the cow and you referenced the Hindu version.
In all these cases the cow is an entity at the beginning of time, part of the genesis story. The slaying of the bull (or the next subordinate in the pantheon) is a act of creation of the world.
I very much doubt the mythology at the core of Mithraism originates in Iran. Rather, it was likely transported to Persia by the Proto-Indo European culture, from Eurasia. This would be supported by the Phrygian/Scythian cap that Mithras wears, as the Scythians were a PIE culture, themselves. But it's more likely these cultures derive from north of the black sea.
Perhaps Mithraism is an Persian version of the Central PIE mythology, but it is not the source of the myth and it's irresponsible to assign origins of things to Persia.
I think the Islamophobia probably has to do with the rampant Islamic terrorism.
This is a well thought out comment.
The course has certainly helped elaborate more on this discussion as it has continued, a great instance is the ancient Egyptian practice of the slaying of Apis.
As for placement, it is heavy handed to throw too much of the credo in Iran, provided little more than the namedrop of Mithras in the regional pantheon. As many discussions of religious traditions elucidate, the question of where is this coming from, always seems to span out, sometimes even across the world.
This session was one of the first and certainly deserves a touching back on in future sessions.
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and WHAT a session! I learned a lot about the ideas behind Mithraism and heard things here I haven't heard other places.
Mithraism is one of the most compelling mystery religions for me. It was, supposedly somewhat widespread and, as you elaborated, a competitor to Christianity and I'm fortunate you made this video and published it for us, thank you.
What about the Lionheaded man? The statues are alternatively referenced as Arimanius(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimanius) or as Mithra, himself.
But the "Lion man" is also found elsewhere, such as the Lowenmensche (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion-man).
Another great talk thank you
This is excellent 👏 you covered everything I was interested in learning. It’s all so interesting!
I've always wondered why the Hadiths have been the narrative of the Muslims, composed by famous Iranian scholars, during the Abyssyd caliphate, where their fathers were Zoroastrian priests. The Hadiths made Muhammads life and journey like Zarathustra. Reading the Quran with Mithraism in sight, you kinda see a pattern as to what or who it was referring to as the lost of the day. Especially when it re-narrates the story of the boys in the cave in the view of the original Christian by the Quran. The gospel states they were sent to purify, whereas the Quran mentioned they were sent to hide from the new religion that would form. It's just interesting too that second passages of the Quran was a warning of the heifer, and how to identify it. So much to unravel to remove this confusion that is religion that divides (words).
Those that wish to liberate the mind, seek the liberty cap.
Hello, I'm new here, I would like to know what your background is?
I think you should put this information in the channel description.
Hmm, strange. I've done this for 4 years and nobody's asked until this last week. You'll find the channel description updated 🤙
@@cgdahlin Excellent! Good to know. Thanks.
Nowadays, anyone can open a TH-cam channel and talk about what they don't know. The topic of religions and sacred traditions is one of the most corrupted on TH-cam!
@@KimberllyBeatrice Partly the reason I've kept up with this. Ideally, that diamond in the rough.
Wormhole-ing into THIS now….🕳️🤯
Even MORE incredible how much of what people practice today in the Abrahamic Religions ties all the way back to this. Chocked FULL of familiar symbolism, magic, astrology, & ritual. I did NOT know the mythological connection between Santa & Mithras, nor the connection of the Catholic Priests’ color scheme to the Amanita Muscaria.🎅🏻🍄 Truly having a DUH moment with that one. 😅🤦🏻♀️
This all inspires an interesting thought - how in modernity, the majority of people who follow the Abrahamic Religions & Traditions [I want to say mostly the Christians here, it seems] apparently have a problem when people who don’t follow those Doctrines “cherry pick” their beliefs….when “technically” [tracing this History back]….they’ve seemed to “cherry pick” quite a bit. SORRY Christians…don’t come for me 🍒😅
I know everything is just a collection of what came before, just altered for the Times, as well as keeping Traditions, so it made conversions easier….just….WHYYYYY can’t people respect what came before….honorably & with reverence, ya know?! 🤷🏻♀️
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Sky burials DOOOO seem pretty fascinating, though 🌌✨
Once again excellent as usual
Very good but I should mention the original gathas make no mention of mithra or that he is equal to ahura mazda
Thanks 🙏
38:40 sounds like the Pokemon Tower in Lavender Town.🤯
24 min in , this is a great vid.
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i would love to heare more of youre sorces for what you are saying. All scholurs on the subjekt i have heard so far says that we have no historical written acount of what cult of mithras belived. only that we have pictures from the tempels and records of what christians wrote about them. If I have a grasp on how you are coming to youre conclusions it is going to be helpful for me to form my own conclusions. :)
Fascinating isn't that? I initially came across Mithraism in the same way, everything speaking that it's effectively a "dead religion," knowing nothing more than that it existed. It is true that alot of the information has to come through deduction and and reverse engineering when it comes to Mithraism, but more has been unraveled than one might assume. Instead of Mithraism, look up "Mithra" alone, then "Mitra" should point you toward the originating Hindu god, Jason Reza Jorjani is great resource on the topic, whether through publication or interview. In regards to the ties to Zoroastrianism, I'm getting that straight from the "Avesta." Branching from these research points, you should be able to curate all the information to your heart's content. Happy wormhole-ing.
CG DAHLIN thanks. :) And have you seen Religion for breakfirst guy? I think he is realy good and he have a nice mithras video. th-cam.com/video/xlF0gVedODE/w-d-xo.html
-- if interested..The youthful God Mithra (right) symbolizing the Glorious Rays of the Sun. From Mount Nemrut Pantheon of Armenian Gods (sometimes called the Eighth Wonder of the Ancient World) erected by King Antiochus Theos (86-38 BCE) of Commagene.In the Armenian heathen Pantheon Mihr (Mithra or Mithras in Latin) was considered a supreme deity. Mihr was the personification of the Illuminating Rays of the Sun. The Grand Temple of Mihr/Mithra was located in the town of Bagaharich in the county of Derjan of the Upper Armenia province of Greater Armenia. The earliest mentioning of the worship of Mithra has been recorded in the Armenian Kingdom of Hurri-Mitanni. It was found in the cuneiform inscriptions of the Hittite capital Hattusa during the 1907 archaeological excavations. The Hittite cuneiform inscriptions mentions some of the notable Armenian Gods and Goddesses that made up the Armenian pantheon of Gods in the Mitanni Kingdom. The Hittite king Suppiluliuma (reigned between 1344 to 1322 BCE) ordered the recording of a peace treaty between himself and the Armenian king Šattivaz (reigned ca. 1350-1320 BCE), who represented the Hittite and Armenian kingdoms respectively. Suppiluliuma swears upon the great deities of Armenia and specifically calls upon Mithra to bless and protect the treaty of friendship and peace between the kingdoms of Hatti and Mitanni.As was noted, this treaty was made in the 14th century BCE, and this is the earliest recorded inscription that mentions Mithra as one of the supreme Gods of Armenia. This is roughly one thousand years before the God Mithra is mentioned in the Iranian inscriptions and the Indian Vedas. Some Indo-Iranian scholars have wrongly attributed Mithra as an Iranian or Indian deity, however as we have seen, the oldest inscription that sites Mithra as a God comes from the above noted 14th century BCE inscription that mentions Mithra as an native Armenian deity that occupied a very special place in the Armenian national Pantheon of Gods.however, what these scholars fail to realize is that in the Gathas, the earliest sacred Zoroastrian texts attributed to Zoroaster himself, Mithra is not mentioned. Furthermore, Mithra also does not appear by name in the Yasna Haptanghaiti, a seven-verse section of the Yasna liturgy that is linguistically as old as the Gathas. Many scholars have noted that the lack of any mention (i.e. Zoroaster’s silence) of Mithra in these texts implies that Zoroaster in fact had rejected Mithra. This is supported by the fact that Zoroaster did not mention Mithra was because in fact in the earliest Avestan writings both Mihr-Mithra and the Armenian Matron Goddess Anahit are condemned as “daevas” or “false gods” or “daemons” that were not to be worshiped....t was only in the fourth century BCE, when we for the first time find the mentioning of Mithras in the Iranian context as a “positive’ deity of the very radiance of the Sun in the inscriptions of the Achaemenid king Xerxes II Mnemon. The Religion of Mithras or Mithraism as it became known in the West would soon spread beyond borders of Armenia, not only towards the East, towards Iran and India, but also that of the West. Mithraic temples known as Mithraea sprang up all over the Roman Empire. They were mostly promoted by Armenian aristocrats who already by this time were prominent generals in the Roman Army. Armenian King Tiridates III is a good example, who prior to his coronation was a prominent general in the Roman Army, it was Emperor Diocletian a close friend and fellow Mithraic devotee of Tiridates who asked the Armenian king to take the challenge of personal combat from a Gothic chief, Trdat successfully stood in for the Emperor and won the tournament....By the second century AD Mithraism was virtually the state religion of the Roman Empire and virtually all of the Roman Emperors during this time and prior to adoption of Christianity in the Fourth century CE were high initiates of the Mithraic mysteries. Most of the Mithraic rites along with the rituals and rites were simply taken over by the newly forming Roman Catholic Church...The traditional crown of the Armenian kings 8-rays/pyramids on top of the crown standing for the Sun’s rays (symbolizing Mithra) along with the 8-pointed star flanked by two eagles facing it (also Mithraic symbolism). The Sun King symbolized the physical incarnation of the Sun God in the world and the Armenian tiara symbolized the union of spiritual and material worlds symbolized by the crown and the leather silk portion of the diadem respectively (united by the sacred thread/headband of glory). Historic reconstruction of the bust of the Armenian King of Kings Tigranes II the Great (reigned 95-55 BCE) by the gifted artist Robert Hazarapetyan...The Mithraic mysteries that began in Armenia in the Second millennium BCE, through the Roman Empire left a lasting legacy on Western society and civilization in general. Many of the customs and norms are in fact taken directly from the Mithraic mysteries (just one notable example would be the handshake, which was specifically used by the devotees of Mithras and today has become common place greeting gesture all over the world). Many of the holidays that we come to celebrate (including Christmas on December 25) also come directly from Mithraism which were celebrated by the Roman emperors and later the Roman Catholic Church. Same is true of the Christian mass that is held very Sunday. The tradition of building churches right into the caves (where the Mithraic mysteries took place) continued by the Armenian Apostolic Church well into the Middle Ages as the surviving world renowned Geghard church attests to this great legacy...The only surviving Armenian National Mithraic Temple of the Sun God Mithra from First Century CE erected by the orders of King Tiridates I Arsacid (reigned 52-75 CE). There were 8 sacred heathen centers of the Armenian Gods and Goddesses throughout Greater Armenia with countless beautiful temples in every one of these 8 centers...- Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences.
Excerpts from Pre-Christian Gods of Armenia (Glendale, 2007) by Hovik Nersisian (1921-2009). Nersisian is an author of many books and articles. He was a renowned scholar who in 1991, for his merits in Iranian Studies, most notably the study of the oldest surviving copies of the Avesta, became a full-member of New York’s Academy of Sciences...see my additional info about Mithra..above/below..
Great lecture my friend
Fascinating
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Some interesting referenceless rambolings
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At 6:43 there was a strange sound after he said Pagan God. 🤔
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