I've had four of them. A Malaguti Madison 250, two Suzuki Burgman 400s and a SYM Maxsym 600. I think nothing can beat them. Reasonable performance with weather protection and practicality. As you say, people who have nothing good to say about them have never ridden one.
I owned a Honda Xadv for 12 months, it's amazing how many people on bikes totally ignore anyone on what appears to be a scooter. The usual lack of recognition from the BMW owners, which happens anyway, as well as the turds on their L plated Chinese 125's shows how far scooters are looked down on. I would happily have a TMax.
I'm with you Neevesy in being a motorcyclist who (secretly) quite likes the idea of a maxi scooter. I think the divide between motorcycles and scooters that we currently have is a bit artificial; something that I'm hoping will change one day when they all go electric (since the absence of a gearbox will take away one of the big differentiators). I have to say, though, that as of 2023 the starting price has gone up to £13,800, which is far too much cheddar for such a vehicle. It's actually **more** expensive than the Tracer 9 GT at £13,100! How on earth did they get the price so high?
I’ve owned 3 maxi scooters in my 55years of riding motorcycles 2 Piaggio X9’s 500 and a 2012 Yamaha T-Max all great bikes but the Yamaha had the large edge. I thought it was much better due to the larger tyres and 50/50 weight distribution as they didn’t wear out so quickly, but the sitting position on these bikes is like you said , hard on the small of your back. Loved the Yamaha and want another now as they have addressed this problem. I wish the motorcycle community could except these bikes as equals as I have embarrassed many a big bike rider on my maxi scooters 😂
I have seen many reviews on this and many other bikes. My comment here is not strictly about the bike as I have a Tmax 2020 TechMax upgrading from my 2012 Tmax ABS (first one with ABS). I am commenting here to applaud and give praise to the narrator. Every review made, from Aprilia Tuono (I have that one as well) and many other bikes are audio book symphonies in video format. Your reviews are very informative and capture details that other video reviewers omit. Your style, intonation and flow is simply amazing. Big THANK YOU for all the effort.
Currently own a 2006 with 50k on the clock and still going strong , used as my commuter hack all year round, brought it because I didn't fancy riding the MT10 through London in the winter!! Had the bike for 3 years now , just past another MOT so looks like its another years commuting in my big comfy arm chair.
I was quite taken with one of these so I've ordered one, dark petrol with the black akropovic exhaust. Yes its money but I spend most of my riding now popping into town so this makes more sense. My friends have had a few things to say about it!
15,700 euro here in Ireland. That's a crazy amount. Its a face I just can't love. I did try convince myself to go for it but settled for second hand 2019 Dx ice fluo. The big screen of the new model and the little tweaks just aren't enough to splash out on. The front end and the new 7" screen just don't do it for me.
Great to see a man of your skill and experience to big up what many of us already knew, i had a 2008 mk3 version from new with 3.5k of mods on it, oh how i trounced many a big bike on the twisties, over double what i paid now so rules me out but would love another to play on.
I'd love to add a maxi scooter to my shed but at £12.5k I don't want one that badly! The BMW C400X is half the price (and the GT is £7k) but it must be more than half the scooter?
I have a 2020 BMW 400GT . every day commute round trip 60 km half highway and half city its just perfect . had a 2008 T max yes its faster but a lot taller and a bit heavier. gas mileage the GT also better. so with the price in consideration I will still take the GT .
well I checked the regular maintenance costs before I bought it, it seems pretty reasonable compared to most Japanese brands. also, T max get 1 year warranty and BMW has 3 years unlimited mileage. I have Japanese bikes and Ducatis and BMWs, they're pretty much the same when comes to maintenance costs.
It’s a lot of dosh but in it’s defence (and I don’t own one) it’s loaded with every bell and whistle. The sales figures for this bike are very high - so our local dealer say anyway. Seems to have a devout following.
@@theonlyredspecial Fair points ... but the Tracer 9 GT is also loaded with every bell and whistle (it even has semi-active suspension front and rear!!), can carry more stuff in it's included side boxes, has a LOT more performance than the T Max and is STILL £200 cheaper ... it also weighs the same as the T Max whilst holding 3 litres more fuel and is even a few mm shorter end to end .... Sure the Max may sell well but why? When Yamaha themselves sell a bike that is more practical and offers more of pretty much everything for less money. Other than wanting a scooter styled ride I can't see any reason to buy it over the T9 GT 🤷♂️ .. (and I don't own a T9 GT, or any other Yamaha)
@@MotoGoato I’d love to argue with you as it’s TH-cam comments and everyone loves a fight but I can’t. You are right. Maybe someone else here who has a t max can tell us why to all your questions. Maybe even Michael neeves himself. I admire what they have done with the tmax but I’d never own one myself. It seems almost priced out of the market as a new bike. But they sell well. 🙃
@@theonlyredspecial This is the thing, I'm not trying to argue either .. I'd genuinely love to know why it is still so appealing to some at such a high price. If it were £8K it would make a lot more sense ... £10K would be pushing it a lot ... but at £12.5K there are so many other options out there, seriously good and highly rated ones too! I guess it must be a scooterist thing .. and the Max has to be at the top of any scooterists wishlist 😉
Here on the south of France commutes or on local twisties this makes more sense than a motorbike most of the time but the exhaust note and the kamikaze driving style of many owners puts people off. If you drive a tmax with its stupid bahhhhhh exhaust note people don’t exactly look on fondly either. 😊.
Had one got rid after a year , ok on A & B roads, but when I took it on the motorway at 70 mph . Just like driving a barn door , behaved terrribly in side winds ( overtaking lorries etc ) not for me 😟🙃
I ride a 2009 Tmax and regularly get 54 miles per US gallon. I hear the 2020 and later get slightly better fuel economy due to higher torque at lower rpm.
My 2022 Tmax Tech Max has averaged 4.51 litres per 100 km for the 3186 km I have done on it so far, in the 4 months I have had it. It is always in sports mode and I really enjoy having fun on it . Country kilometres mainly. Is great for touring and enjoying the Great Ocean Road in Victoria Australia
How does this rate against the Kymco AK550 in your eyes? I have the AK, and love it. As you said, rides like a proper motorcycle, and has more power than the TMax but is a little heavier (10kg I think)
Every time I see this scooter, I always wonder why the hell would Yamaha kill the V Max, yeah I know sales were not great but it offered 200 horsepower for $20k and very premium build quality along with high reliability. Why would it be having low sales?
@@orangetaby6024 see for a cruiser, it is expected to handle worse than a super sport bike because cruisers also bring in comfort to the equation which will sacrifice some level of performance. The V Max is the fastest cruiser ever made, why would it have very low sales?
I used to have one for very short time. Just couldn’t handle the wind buffeting no matter what screen I used. Here in Australia is pretty much unsellable and if you want a new one you can’t even test ride it because dealers are not have any in the showroom they already know it doesn’t sell. So you have to buy it without even seeing or sitting on one. You can buy a 3 years old one for half the price.
20k Australian for a scooter. You've got to be kidding me right? Some screw must be loose if you pay that much for a scooter. The storage is smaller than the xmax 300. It's larger, more heavy double the price for slightly better performance and completely destroyed by an actual motorbike. Why would you. Get the 300, save 10 grand, get more storage, lighter, better fuel consumption with slightly less performance. You never need to do anything over the national speed limits anyway.
I must admit this 2022 model is a good looking bike. Shame about its bad reputation over here in continental Europe, where it's mostly driven by burglars and drug dealers
Hahaha...it is the ugliest maxiscooter on the market. Let's not be stupid and keep only praising it. Did a blind man design it, or what? - a former Tmax-fan
An SUV on two wheels. The most hated motorcycle here in Italy! Hated by all bikers, period. Here in Milan it’s loved just by posers, football players and Urus/Cayenne owners, rich and untasteful people.
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In my experience, people with nothing good to say about maxi-scooters have never ridden a maxi-scooter.
they are awesome I had 2 just awesome
I've had four of them. A Malaguti Madison 250, two Suzuki Burgman 400s and a SYM Maxsym 600. I think nothing can beat them. Reasonable performance with weather protection and practicality. As you say, people who have nothing good to say about them have never ridden one.
That's cause they don't have Maxi Scooter money.
@@bankrollace8737 They're not cheap are they? But I like them so much I am willing to pay.
I owned a Honda Xadv for 12 months, it's amazing how many people on bikes totally ignore anyone on what appears to be a scooter. The usual lack of recognition from the BMW owners, which happens anyway, as well as the turds on their L plated Chinese 125's shows how far scooters are looked down on. I would happily have a TMax.
The ultimate praise. Neevesy has owned a TMax, and would like another one. Yamaha must be rubbing their, collective, hands together.
I'm with you Neevesy in being a motorcyclist who (secretly) quite likes the idea of a maxi scooter. I think the divide between motorcycles and scooters that we currently have is a bit artificial; something that I'm hoping will change one day when they all go electric (since the absence of a gearbox will take away one of the big differentiators).
I have to say, though, that as of 2023 the starting price has gone up to £13,800, which is far too much cheddar for such a vehicle. It's actually **more** expensive than the Tracer 9 GT at £13,100! How on earth did they get the price so high?
I’ve owned 3 maxi scooters in my 55years of riding motorcycles 2 Piaggio X9’s 500 and a 2012 Yamaha T-Max all great bikes but the Yamaha had the large edge. I thought it was much better due to the larger tyres and 50/50 weight distribution as they didn’t wear out so quickly, but the sitting position on these bikes is like you said , hard on the small of your back. Loved the Yamaha and want another now as they have addressed this problem. I wish the motorcycle community could except these bikes as equals as I have embarrassed many a big bike rider on my maxi scooters 😂
I remember my X9 250SL had an adjustable bum stop.
I have seen many reviews on this and many other bikes. My comment here is not strictly about the bike as I have a Tmax 2020 TechMax upgrading from my 2012 Tmax ABS (first one with ABS). I am commenting here to applaud and give praise to the narrator. Every review made, from Aprilia Tuono (I have that one as well) and many other bikes are audio book symphonies in video format. Your reviews are very informative and capture details that other video reviewers omit. Your style, intonation and flow is simply amazing. Big THANK YOU for all the effort.
Thanks Buddy - nice video. Is it worth the upgrade from the 2019 one?
yes
@@dank9288639 Buddy?!
@@namename-qq4tc buddy!?
Of all the T-Max 560 reviews, this one is the best. And he is the best motorbike reviewer. Love it!
Currently own a 2006 with 50k on the clock and still going strong , used as my commuter hack all year round, brought it because I didn't fancy riding the MT10 through London in the winter!! Had the bike for 3 years now , just past another MOT so looks like its another years commuting in my big comfy arm chair.
I was quite taken with one of these so I've ordered one, dark petrol with the black akropovic exhaust. Yes its money but I spend most of my riding now popping into town so this makes more sense.
My friends have had a few things to say about it!
Same same - already arrived ? Do you love it ?
@@Maschineee yep it arrived, but there was a delay because of the Ukrainian war!
It is marvellous, just perfect for what I want it for.
15,700 euro here in Ireland. That's a crazy amount. Its a face I just can't love. I did try convince myself to go for it but settled for second hand 2019 Dx ice fluo. The big screen of the new model and the little tweaks just aren't enough to splash out on. The front end and the new 7" screen just don't do it for me.
Nice review. It makes me really want to get one now! Was it warm and sunny where you tested it?
I wanted the Tmax, but hard to find in the States, settled for the,Kymco AK550, paid $9700, quite happy and love how it rides, no regrets
Same !! About to add a DNA filter, mivv exhaust, 16G rollers!!
That Kymco AK550 is also a very good scooter 👌
Great to see a man of your skill and experience to big up what many of us already knew, i had a 2008 mk3 version from new with 3.5k of mods on it, oh how i trounced many a big bike on the twisties, over double what i paid now so rules me out but would love another to play on.
What mods did you do
I have been looking for a 2023 Tmax for months. I can not find anywhere in the U.S. that sells them. Can anyone point me in a good direction?
Hello ! Will be só much difference between the 530 and the 560 ? Thanks ! 🇵🇹
Just out of interest what's the max combined permissible passenger plus rider weight?
How does it compare to the Forza 750?
South of Valencia. Beautiful riding there. Next time do also the cv_25 in the north.
Hi, good day to you. How much is the monorack?
So much more than a cat food carrier. Hell's Grannies have never had it so good. Tremendous.
Bergman 400 or the 530/560 Tmax?
Would love to see you put it up against similar engined sport bike?
I'd love to add a maxi scooter to my shed but at £12.5k I don't want one that badly! The BMW C400X is half the price (and the GT is £7k) but it must be more than half the scooter?
I have a 2020 BMW 400GT . every day commute round trip 60 km half highway and half city its just perfect .
had a 2008 T max yes its faster but a lot taller and a bit heavier. gas mileage the GT also better.
so with the price in consideration I will still take the GT .
Problem is you get hammered at servicing and repair time being a BMW although its pretty much a Kymco underneath.
well I checked the regular maintenance costs before I bought it, it seems pretty reasonable compared to most Japanese brands.
also, T max get 1 year warranty and BMW has 3 years unlimited mileage.
I have Japanese bikes and Ducatis and BMWs, they're pretty much the same when comes to maintenance costs.
OMG at the price!!! .... it's £200 more expensive than a Tracer 9 GT!!!! ..... just ...... wow ....... 😲😲
It’s a lot of dosh but in it’s defence (and I don’t own one) it’s loaded with every bell and whistle. The sales figures for this bike are very high - so our local dealer say anyway. Seems to have a devout following.
@@theonlyredspecial Fair points ... but the Tracer 9 GT is also loaded with every bell and whistle (it even has semi-active suspension front and rear!!), can carry more stuff in it's included side boxes, has a LOT more performance than the T Max and is STILL £200 cheaper ... it also weighs the same as the T Max whilst holding 3 litres more fuel and is even a few mm shorter end to end .... Sure the Max may sell well but why? When Yamaha themselves sell a bike that is more practical and offers more of pretty much everything for less money. Other than wanting a scooter styled ride I can't see any reason to buy it over the T9 GT 🤷♂️ .. (and I don't own a T9 GT, or any other Yamaha)
@@MotoGoato I’d love to argue with you as it’s TH-cam comments and everyone loves a fight but I can’t. You are right. Maybe someone else here who has a t max can tell us why to all your questions. Maybe even Michael neeves himself. I admire what they have done with the tmax but I’d never own one myself. It seems almost priced out of the market as a new bike. But they sell well. 🙃
@@theonlyredspecial This is the thing, I'm not trying to argue either .. I'd genuinely love to know why it is still so appealing to some at such a high price. If it were £8K it would make a lot more sense ... £10K would be pushing it a lot ... but at £12.5K there are so many other options out there, seriously good and highly rated ones too! I guess it must be a scooterist thing .. and the Max has to be at the top of any scooterists wishlist 😉
Nice review...wish it were available in the US
Mine is one of the first in the Uk next month. It’ll be sat along side my GS Rallye 😊
Congrats
Lucky man, mine arrives in June.
@@timlilly supposed to arrive Feb/March
Hi Moto community. I’ve just bought a Tmax 2019 but fuel average is very bad. I went to Yamaha and they said the oxygen censor needs to be changed.
If it's 500cc+ is it faster than the duke 390?
Mr. Neevesy, why did you sell your TMAX?
thank you for this amazing review
How much is the monorack?
Here on the south of France commutes or on local twisties this makes more sense than a motorbike most of the time but the exhaust note and the kamikaze driving style of many owners puts people off. If you drive a tmax with its stupid bahhhhhh exhaust note people don’t exactly look on fondly either. 😊.
The scooter crowd with Akra exhausts (dB killer removed) are the scourge of European roads.
I wish you guys can make maxi scooter shootout.
I recognise those Spanish roads close to Valencia !!!!
Had one got rid after a year , ok on A & B roads, but when I took it on the motorway at 70 mph . Just like driving a barn door , behaved terrribly in side winds ( overtaking lorries etc ) not for me 😟🙃
Agreed that it is very susceptible to any sidewinds. Mine certainly was. I felt quite nervous on it, and I never felt that on my other bikes.
Love it. Want one in the garage!
Looks great, comfort and thrill
Very nice presentation! But can you tell us also what was the real average fuel consumption of this bike? Thank you in advance!
I ride a 2009 Tmax and regularly get 54 miles per US gallon. I hear the 2020 and later get slightly better fuel economy due to higher torque at lower rpm.
I converted the figure they had on the website to 60mpg. It would make sense being a little bit better than an 09 tmax.
My 2022 Tmax Tech Max has averaged 4.51 litres per 100 km for the 3186 km I have done on it so far, in the 4 months I have had it. It is always in sports mode and I really enjoy having fun on it . Country kilometres mainly. Is great for touring and enjoying the Great Ocean Road in Victoria Australia
The united States need this badly!!
Do engines 'grow'?
How does this rate against the Kymco AK550 in your eyes? I have the AK, and love it. As you said, rides like a proper motorcycle, and has more power than the TMax but is a little heavier (10kg I think)
T-max is the KING! No matter Kymco would do always will be second............................;-)
@@THEODORIEUS thanks, I assume your opinion is based on you having ridden them both? What was better on the Yamaha compared to the Kymco?
I had both! Ak is not reliable as the Tmax. Also Tmax is quicker 0-100 and more agile. Ak has better bakes and better in big wide turns.
That’s a lot for a car. How does it compare to the Suzuki Bergman?
Looks amazing to ride
looks great!
I hope this scooter will be launched in INDIA
TMAX 😍
How much? Jeez! 😵
Would make me too much of a target going through East London!
I have heard they are the most stolen scooter in London.
@@Nooziterp1 they commit crime on them in london
ram raids robberies stealing other bikes
@@johnsworld6382 Sounds about right.
No wonder more than 30% of the European scooter market has hold by Tmax
And yet yamaha can't fit a nice tft to the tracer
you know what....
*YOU* can easily sell me a scooter, even when I don't want one.... 😂
🤗👏🙌👍🤟
Every time I see this scooter, I always wonder why the hell would Yamaha kill the V Max, yeah I know sales were not great but it offered 200 horsepower for $20k and very premium build quality along with high reliability. Why would it be having low sales?
Ride one for a day and you will find out. V max doesn't handle well and is Big and Fat in the middle.
@@orangetaby6024 see for a cruiser, it is expected to handle worse than a super sport bike because cruisers also bring in comfort to the equation which will sacrifice some level of performance. The V Max is the fastest cruiser ever made, why would it have very low sales?
@@sushi_edits225 I have a 99 vmax. I think it's because it's quite marmite looking and coupled with the price it puts most people off.
Analog speedometer works for me
Defo considering this ..well nice 🤔
I used to have one for very short time. Just couldn’t handle the wind buffeting no matter what screen I used.
Here in Australia is pretty much unsellable and if you want a new one you can’t even test ride it because dealers are not have any in the showroom they already know it doesn’t sell.
So you have to buy it without even seeing or sitting on one.
You can buy a 3 years old one for half the price.
My local dealer in Sydney has a new one on the floor.
Yup buying an older one represents a lot more value.
Problem now is the Honda forza 750. Better engine, better mpg and better dct oh and considerably cheaper
Way to expensive if you ask me. The only big benefit compared to a €1300 cheaper X-ADV is the belt.
and electric screen hand and seat warmers and cruise control
on tiptoes at 6feet tall??? That's my 5ft6 frame out....
the only thing i dont like about this scooter is the front face everything good
£12.5K. Not a chance.
I cannot get along with a scooter where I can't get my feet below my body. My Honda Helix allows that position.
Insane expensive^ Who would want this 50 HP machine considering you can buy a MT10 at the same price.
I thinks it is all about convenience and confortability.
Sana All.
20k Australian for a scooter. You've got to be kidding me right? Some screw must be loose if you pay that much for a scooter. The storage is smaller than the xmax 300. It's larger, more heavy double the price for slightly better performance and completely destroyed by an actual motorbike. Why would you. Get the 300, save 10 grand, get more storage, lighter, better fuel consumption with slightly less performance. You never need to do anything over the national speed limits anyway.
I got one
Q is though, why not just get a proper bike? £12,500!!!
The next Q would be .. Why buy a "proper" bike, if you want a scooter?
I must admit this 2022 model is a good looking bike. Shame about its bad reputation over here in continental Europe, where it's mostly driven by burglars and drug dealers
At least you have them, here in the states Harleys and sport bikes are king.
@@aaron___6014 we can do without the burglars and the drug dealers
Really expensive for what it is.
kymco ak550 is better
Hahaha...it is the ugliest maxiscooter on the market. Let's not be stupid and keep only praising it. Did a blind man design it, or what? - a former Tmax-fan
i didnt like it now i love it
.. now you will never show in public again ahahahhaahha. All the best.
its supposed to be the epitome, but the front mask is god forbiddenly hideous
An SUV on two wheels. The most hated motorcycle here in Italy! Hated by all bikers, period. Here in Milan it’s loved just by posers, football players and Urus/Cayenne owners, rich and untasteful people.
Why not just buy a real motorcycle?
I was thinking the same.
not practical
Why buy a motorcycle if you want a scooter?
in Amsterdam a scooter is much more convenient.