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- In this video, I respond to Morgue's video "The Bible Says Jesus is NOT God" and debunk his claims that the Bible says that Jesus never claims to be God. I examine the context of the verses Morgue uses to support his claim and explain how they often actually affirm Jesus' divinity. I also examine Morgue's dubious use of the Gnostic Christians and their texts and how he gets basic facts about early church history wrong.
00:00 Intro
01:15 Gnosticism
03:39 Marcionism
04:55 Constantine
06:58 Arianism
10:01 Lost Gospels
12:52 Biblical Arguments
24:57 Jewish Rejection
Morgues original video: • The Bible Says Jesus i...
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“They don’t teach you THAT in Sunday school.” *smirks*
Me, a full-time Christian Youth & Family Minister: “I do. A lot.”
“When in doubt: Constantine.”-Non believers
“The council of Nicea also works.” -other non believers
I wonder how they respond to Church Fathers and historians before Nicea? 🤔
@@samueljennings4809 Obviously all their writings were forged at Nicea. ;)
@@stephengray1344 oohp, can't argue with that 🤷♂️
Oh wait... it's baseless speculation.
Prove to me the council of nicea ever happened
Honestly, I know a lot of fellow believers who get Constantine/Nicea wrong. Including many who really should know better.
Morgue is a pretty good example of a "well-informed" Atheist. Right at the beginning Morgue only gives half-truths and misinformation about the flood, making it seem as if God just flooded the world on a whim, just to be mean, not regretfully, and only because men were doing evil. Morgue even forgot to mention God spared Noah, his wife, his sons, and their wives, which is a rather important detail. I guess Morgue learned the flood history from another Atheist.
You are wrong.
You said that he "suggested" that God destroyed the world on a whim, but he said that God "had no problem" doing it. 1:40
That is not a suggestion.
The Ruler of This Realm could've turned them all into rocks and BTFO'd them that way. But Noooooooooooooooo, he had to be hamfisted.
@@jayg3857 you seem to be omniscient and know everything about everything ever, enlighten me with your wisdom and tell me how things should’ve went and how everything would transpire
@@OnTheThirdDay God is merciful and he is just. But his mercy supersedes and is great. Jesus was the same way in the NT. Both Jesus and God in the old testament are kind of elusive, they are one
@@phineas8532 I don't disagree.
I was pointing out that the OP says that Morgue is hinting at things that are false. I showed that he actually asserts falsehoods, which is worse.
HAHAHA!!!! "Am I watching the History Channel after midnight?" That's a HARD dig at anybody claiming to present "information". Love it. If you have claims that Bart Ehrman rejects and agrees are nonsense, you have REALLY fallen astray of any objective reality.
Morgue has admitted that he is running a cult, it’s scary how many people actually trust him to be a reliable source of info.
They kinda have to I guess. If you’re non Christian, you’ll want to grasp at any and all straws that pose a threat to the faith you hate.
Seems like Morgue wants to bring back Gnosticism from the grave.
I remember seeing this silly childish overgrown atheist of a man child back when I was underage. I was a young male learning about apologetics and I went across this fool stumbling upon his mistake that is humanity. He certainly looked as someone I shouldn't trust so as the 15 year old me I decided to not trust him because he said Jesus is lucifer. I don't think that put a dent in my faith. He's dumb but what he said was more of confusion as to why he said it. But I lived forgetting about his existence. I regret to be informed that he's still alive sadly. I thought he died for the wages of sin is death that is liying. Gossip and blasphemous titles.
I can't seem to find any thing on Google where Morgue says he is running a cult. Can you direct me to this?
“When a man refuses to believe in God he doesn’t believe in nothing, he believes in anything.”
GK Chesterton
If it all fails, blame Constantine
And if that didn’t work, blame the Apostle Paul/Shaul
Alternatively, blame Nicea without mentioning Emperor Constantine.
I challenge you to find a verse that says God is three persons anywhere in the Bible, on the other hand many verses say God is ONE, such as Deuteronomy 6:4 which Jesus recited. One is one person not a unity of persons as trinitarians may try to spin this one.
@@fcastellanos57 "One is one person not a unity of persons", where does it say that?
@@PAJ_L2001 Well, no where in the Old Testament God expresses himself as a union of persons but as a single mind, God has a Spirit within his being but this is part of him just as we have a spirit and it is part of us but is not another person or mind within God. 1 Corinthians 2:12.
@@fcastellanos57 Maybe this is not quite what you mean, but even in Genesis we already see a Person Who is God refer to God in the third person, indicative of God being more than one Person. (See below, Genesis 22:11-12, taken from the KJV. Emphasis on the word ''me'' is mine, and not present in the original text.)
''And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham,
Abraham: and he said, Here am I. And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad,
neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou
hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from *me*. ''
I do not see how 1 Corinthians requires me to conclude that God is not triune.
The analogy between God's Spirit and our spirit falls short, I think, as our spirit cannot act any other way than through us, and the Holy Spirit can act through e.g. the Apostles (who are great, but not God), leading Paul to attribute miracles to the Spirit of God, rather than simply to God. This is seen in Romans 15:19:
''Through mighty signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God; so that from Jerusalem, and round about unto Illyricum, I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.''
Apologies for the mucho texto and any linguistical errors.
Edit: formatting was weird on my phone, it should be better now.
The idea that Arius is basically similar to Gnosticism or Marcionism is just stupid
_"They don't teach you that in Sunday school"_
No but they teach it in RCIA. In fact, we spent several classes talking about early heresies.
I did learn about it in Sunday school
@@briandiehl9257 I grew up in Presbyterian and Southern Baptist circles, neither of them bothered teaching anything about early church history. I'm glad to hear there are at least some Sunday schools out there that educate kids though. Learning about the Bible is important, but people also need to know the history of the church, otherwise they can fall for poorly researched "arguments" like Morgue's.
@@samvimes9510 I am not Catholic or Orthodox but I agree with you that many protestant denominations do not teach early church history and early heresies. I wish evangelicals and protestants would dig into early church writings, history of the councils, medieval theology, reformation history (pre and post), etc. I didn't know what to expect digging into early church history and the fathers, what I found only strengthens my faith in Christ. God bless
what does rcia stand for? i'm not an native-english speaker.
@@_troll. it stands for "Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults." It's a a several month long process that non-Catholics go through when they want to convert. Usually it involves classes that teach you about the history of the church and Catholic theology.
Combining gnostic texts with cherry picked Bible verses to correct Christianity, makes as much sense as combing Hindu Vedas with Koran snippets to re-define Islam.
I had to stop the video multiple times due to my rage at the lies and cherry picking. Great job on the refutation.
I know the feeling
Giving me a headache fr🤦🏿♂️
Nothing says, "I founded this religion to gain power" like telling your followers to submit to the [enemy] governing authorities and then giving yourself up to be crucified, fed to lions, etc.
You just don’t get it, it was the long scam, patiently letting generations die, THEN we take control 😅😂
I don't really blame the guy, I blame the people that gives him audience 😩
First he said that it didn’t say in the Bible that Jesus is God, then he says they burned all the books that disagreed with the Bible saying Jesus was God 😂 He admits at 0:52 that it’s described in the scriptures that He is God, yet before that, at the beginning, he said that it doesn’t say Jesus is God
bro seriously needs to eat healthy in order to gain his sanity and not send himself to the *actual* Morgue...
Wow! This received 14 likes at the moment. Fascinating. May I ask how old you are? You can just give a range, teens? 20’s? 30’s?
Morgue completely ignores and conveniently leaves out the fact that Constantine was actually not satisfied with the council of Nicaea, and that Eusebius of Caesarea was explicitly against the exile of Arias, despite himself being a Trinitarian, and Eusebius of Nicomedia, convince Constantine to bring Arias back, but he died before he can be brought back, he’s also ignoring the fact that Aryans not that long after the council of Nicaea became incredibly an dominant force, for almost 50 years, and many orthodox bishops including Athanasius we’re exiled multiple times.
I have been blessed by your work,Testify. I am planning an apologetics study at my church and will be referring to your videos.
Thank you @Testify for doing what you do! It means a lot and you do a really good job every time.
Great channel brother!
I appreciate that!
Thank you for the information on the books to add to my bookshelf for my children to be able to read.
Morgue - 'Where the dead reside until buried'. That's the one part he got right.
Yet another great video Testify.
So morgues actually said Jesus said to the young Ruler that nobody is good but God, then in the same breath he went and interpreted “I and the father are 1” as All of Us are God? Lol 😂 how man just how?
You don’t have to go there big man💀Jesus quite literally calls himself “The Good Shepard”, which is also a literal allusion to His divinity(“The Lord is my Shepherd” in Psalms).
Hey testify, great video! I really enjoy your apologetics content. I have a question about something in the gospels that has troubled me and my faith over the past few days. That is the part of the gospels where Pilate asks the crowd of Jews, based on popular demand, whether to release Jesus or Barbaas. However, many people claim that there was no such practice employed by the Roman empire, and that pontious Pilate wouldnt have cared what the jews had to say and enjoyed crucifying them. his has really troubled me, and I'd appreciate your input on this.
see this video by Inspiring Philosophy: th-cam.com/video/P0HfUOihf5c/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=InspiringPhilosophy
@@TestifyApologetics thank you so much, I love both of you guy's channels. Have a happy Easter my friend
Thank you for your work, very edifying 🙂
Great video as always, Erik. Sadly, it won't be the last time some TH-camr claim to have find the true, and that Jesus is not God.
Also, I want to say that i think is funny how Bart Ehrman is used almost by everyone to backup their views: Christians, Muslims, atheist and whatever this guy believes. lol
Always enjoy your videos Testify, I had a suggestion for a video too. Could you maybe talk about the did David really kill Goliath topic? Because I heard that the original hebrew says that someone named Elhanan killed Goliath, but later additions said he killed the brother of goliath and maybe the story was given to David because he was king. I'm under the impression it was a scribal error in samuel that attributes it to Elhanan, but I'd love to hear your take on it.
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Morgue looks like he just escaped from one…..☹️
It took me a while to figure out what was different about you . . . in conclusion: better lighting.
When they start about the council of Nicaea, I KNOW they’re clueless 🙄
"All peace-makers are called sons of God (Matthew 5:9)" -Argument takes passage out of context.
"The Old Testament says God is not man (Numbers 23:19)" -A Jewish argument which is inconsistent with scripture.
"Jesus said he is not God (Luke 18:19)". -A Muslim argument which takes the passage out of context.
He didn't even get the context of Bart Erhman right. It is clear that he is taking a bunch of arguments he's heard from here, there, and yonder against Christianity, did no research into the context that was ignored by promoters of that argument, and then just put them all together. If somebody's video is built up of arguments taken out of context, then it's not a good case for what they're arguing. It's getting to the point that the bad arguments made by atheists and Muslims (and even sometimes Jews) make the truth of Christianity all the more apparent.
I find it absolutely remarkable that any of these guys get any traction on TH-cam. It's just sitting in front of a camera and spewing whatever they have decided is true or saw in other unsubstantiated TH-cam videos. No references, no actual research, just saying things to a camera. Then, their followers act like somehow this is some kind of well researched source and pretend that because it's on a video on TH-cam, it's definitely true.
Contrast that with what Erik does on his channel. Well informed and thoroughly crafted arguments with sources and citations and references throughout. This is what it takes to attack the faith; if you are relying on historical and scriptural facts, you can't get very far. If you just regurgitate the same old generalizations and lies that are in the zeitgeist, easy peasy.
Well done once again, Erik. This guy is a clown.
“Oh for the love of John Dominic Crossan!”…good one 😂
There was no orthodoxy? Let's ask Jesus...
So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
John 8:31-32 ESV
Hmmm... sounds like... orthodoxy to me...
I thought that I would also mention at minute 7:00 that he made it out to be that Gnosticism and Marcionism were big issues for orthodoxy, however by the time he gets to Constantine the issue is Arianism which is basically still around in some small heretical churches like Oneness Pentecostals. They believe in the Scriptures in a way that is entirely opposite the early wild heresies that the arheist guy was talking about and supposed book burnings.
In a lot of ways they are like Christians but misunderstand the Scriptures that we agree on.
Also, I am not really sure if it was explained how believing that Jesus is God could actually help Constantine be a better authoritarian or whatnot.
Almost like it is a non sequitur.
Thank you so much for this video. It was very helpful and very informative I appreciate all the effort that you put into this. 😁👍🏼
I would really love to see you do another review of one of his videos, claiming that God is the devil in the Bible. I wouldn’t say I am a new Christian, but I am new to learning and understanding and getting in depth Roots in the word of God. so this is greatly appreciated 😊
Hey Erik. I have heard from scholars such as A.W. Zwiep that the early Christians thought Jesus' resurrection and ascension happened on the same day based off of passages like Eph. 1:20, Phil. 2:8-9, and Heb. 10:12. What do we make of this?
So having just looked at those passages in passing uou would have to make an argument from silence that the implications is immediate, as there are no temporal indications and you have to ignore the gospels which talk about a significant time gap
Morgue is a perfect example of “Say anything in an intelligent way and people will follow”. 😢🙏🏽 for him.
Hey Eric, do you watch the video from mythvision about if John is an eyewitness with Jeffrey Tripp?
I did and found it really lacking. But he dumped so much info it would take 4 hours to respond to.
Brother you are a RESOURCE ❤
Your point about the distinction between Jesus and Christians as being different types of son is one reason I prefer the translation of John 3:16 which uses the term Begotten. C. S. Lewis expresses a similar argument and makes the point the Begotten re-inforces this point of view where as translations that render the passage as 'one-and-only' muddy the waters (so-to-speak).
I remember him from the reality tv series Freak Show, the failed show based on the failed retail location of the same name on Venice Beach
I'm writing a book on this very subject called, "IS JESUS CHRIST REALLY THE EVERLASTING GOD OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS?"
In witnessing to followers of many cults and denominations over 35 years, God has given me ample opportunity to exposit all of the Scriptures I knew of (approximately 40-50) that clearly denote or allude to the Deity of Christ.
How nice it would have been, i always thought, if I'd been able to just pull out a handy reference guide listing EVERY place in the Bible that spells out who Jesus is. But since I don't live in an ideal world, I had to settle for what I had.
I had just finished producing a church bulletin-sized booklet for Muslims showing all of the verses that say He is the Son of God. "Is Jesus Christ REALLY the Son of God?" was the name of it.
Curiously, a Christian lady at the copy store where I was running the booklet off viewed the title with some suspicion. By the look on her face, I could tell she thought it was a book that contradicted the Bible. I quickly assured her that it wasn't. But I realized in that moment that the title was just provocative enough to wet someone's curiosity into picking it up and reading it.
Then, I decided to take it a step further by indexing and commenting on every verse I could find that teaches Jesus is God. However, I had no idea what I was in for. The sheer volume of biblical evidence would turn this into a MASSIVE undertaking!
My Table of Contents was turning into a sizeable, "chapter-like" section all by itself, as I began listing out all of the names, titles, attributes and works of God that the Bible applies DIRECTLY to the Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm still not quite sure if I want to stick to my original idea of indexing and commentary because that will invariably push publication of this work way beyond any foreseeable date.
Perhaps i should just keep it simple and publish the book as a handy - though comprehensive and exhaustive - reference guide. I'm still praying 🙏 about that.
Your thoughts and prayers are welcome. God bless you.
Sounds pretty interesting. Great idea for a book project.
Well done, keep it going. May God use this endeavour to sow seeds towards the salvation of others. Please don't be discouraged.
5:00 Morgue doesn't _just a little bit_ remind of Jack Chick, The Death Cookie?
"Gospel of Judas" etc. Does Morgue have any criteria for inclusion in Scripture? Clearly not, he'll take any work that presents itself as valid.
We'll explained
Lol. Who is this guy? Jesus clearly is God. There is a difference in reading through and studying the Word. This fella may have hit the hot spots, but I can bet he has never done any in depth study. Not that the diety of Christ requires in depth study. The moniker "Son if God" is also a clear case, as his human nature came from Mary, but His God nature came from God. Fully God, fully man.
i am now a council of nicea mythicist. Any evidence nicea ever happened?
When talking about the aftermath of the Council of Nicea, Morgue conveniently left out that Athanasius was banished five times.
Great work keeping your cool. I had to pause a lot to avoid talking back to the monitor. This sounds to me like he took the argument Ian McKellen makes in Davinci code and tried to pass it off as history. It's hard when you have to deal with these same recycled arguments about the gnostics and marcion again and again. Constantine being the bogeyman is hilarious too. All of this reeks of unskilled scholarship at best. You know it's going to be rough when they present an argument like it's the biggest conspiracy ever but it's all a bunch of warmed over heresies that the church put to rest centuries ago.
Thank you
John 20:27-29 really well explains who Jesus is. He blessed those who believe in him, specifically that he is God’s eternal Son making him God
18:50 id also like to point out that jesus calls himself "the good shepard" so if jesus says "only god is good" and he calls himself the good shepard, he is outright calling himself god
Also, the same words "I am" Jesus also said when he walked on the water and said "Be not afraid, I am". Some translations say "it is I", but the same Greek expression is used for "I am".
There’s a difference between saying “I am” in starting off an answer to a question, and “I Am,” in a simple statement by itself.
@@Kingrich_777 but notice when the statement is being made, during the course of a miracle. Jesus is walking on the water saying "I Am".
@@Bi0Dr01d before Abraham I Am is a statement of divinity bro.
@@Kingrich_777 I completely agree.
@@Bi0Dr01d oh shoot I thought u were disagreeing that comment was for someone else my fault
Bro has anyone told you that you look like Dave Filoni?
Never heard of him.
Morgue says that the Bible says this and that, I'm curious, does he believe those things that he says the Bible claims? I suspect not. Which would suggest he is not convinced by his own arguments. He just doesn't want anyone believing in Jesus.
Do you view the response of Ehrman about How God Become Jesus?
I can't wait to start this video. I have been binge watching Morgue's stuff because his level of stupidity is just fascinating, entertaining and hilarious to watch, but I couldn't help but wonder why no one was refuting him when he's so easy to refute.
Because the people who view him are vehement non Christians. As such, they will grasp at any straw they can find that argues against Christ The Lord.
It's interesting how that blonde dude is wearing a black shirt with collars that make it look somewhat like an upside-down pentagram. Hmmm.
That guy is a satanist.
I noticed that too.
Yes, so divided was the church that Arius’ heresy was outvoted by like 300 to 3 (Arius and his 2 followers). How did the church survive such division?
aah yes, basically the "where did it say i am God, worship me?" argument.. all i can do is🤦😒🤣 when i hear this morgue guy vomiting out his "facts"
Concerning the alleged allusions to it, there's none in scrupture. While it speaks of God the father, the son of god and the Holy Spirit, one cannot argue that it the trinity. That teaching explicitly says that each person is either God the father, which is scriptural. God the son or the erternal son both are not in scripture, nor is God the Holy Spirit. Which the trinity claims must be worshipped as distinct persons. The scripture nowhere mentions that regardsless of your words as to it's veracity. Most scholars agree it is not found there, James White agrees to that as does a host of others which I could mention. Still, simply looking in any Encyclopedia spells that the trinity is not scriptural. The scriptures conclude by 100 AD with John's death and writings, while the trinity was not mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or the prophets but by Tertullian in 200 AD. Origen and other Greeks used platonic thought which became the normative to describe by later apologists. The trinity was not until the late 4th century. The three Cappodicians created it by these words in 381. "In thinking upon the the trinity we came upon the trinity." Again, it is a paper tiger. Nobody can claim it is scriptural, as it never found there. Titles abound of God. "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6). Is talking about three or more gods? No, in fact about God who will becone a son yet be the almight and everlasting father, and holy spirit or comforter. The fact is that God himself calls himself the the Holy One over 30 times is enough evidence to condemn the Catholic trinity heresy. Nobody can fully understand it yet must believe it. According to orthodox Trinitarian doctrine, if a person claims to be a Christian but does not believe in the Trinity, he is not saved. Is that the truth? No. Wevare created in God's image in Genesis. Are you three people in unity? No. I'm a father, son and a spirit, but I'm not three people. To say otherwise to to lie. So the trinity is a lie as Paul calls later teachings not in the gospel cursed in Gal. 1:6-12. It is an add on warned against by Jesus in Rev. 22:18-19. It the tare doctrine that came after the truth or wheat teaching of the scriptures. One cannot be three persons and yet call himself one person. In fact, it is not scripture but platonic thought. It is a lie that will send you to hell in Matthew 7:21-23.
Can you please connect with “inspiring philosophy” and do a collab?
I've actually already had him on my channel and we also collaborated recently on Exploring Reality
@@TestifyApologetics Oh that's awesome. Well just wanted to say thank you for your knowledge. Your channel really is a gem. I've been posting your videos on athiest channels like crazy. Always happy to support a fellow brother in Christ.
Interisting enough he "believe" gnosticm true bcoz read some manuscript or read internet article but not with Bible ?
No matter how many times these points get answered, internet atheists seem to think that presenting them again with a slightly different historical spin will get them this time.
Interesting how those that don't believe God exists and the entire Bible a myth will use texts from Gnostic religion and select Bible verses to 'prove' Jesus was not God but was sent here by God (whom they claim does not exist)
If Morgue researched a little deep into Bart as of the past year or so then he'd know that Bart said the following on Mohammad Hijab's podcast and I quote:
"The Gospels, I think all of them in some sense believe that Jesus is God"
Another one confidently bypassing the lost art of peer review
Sheesh. The entire Gospel of John is a theological treatise on the divinity of Jesus, written against the Gnostics.
It should also be noted that most of the New Testament writers, being Jewish in their worldview, use "God" to mean the Father. They're simply using familiar terminology.
“Of my own self I can do nothin …” (John 5:30)
“The words I say to you I speak not on my own authority …” (John 14:10)
Do these sound like the words of an omnipotent being? Or more like the words of a human being empowered by the omnipotent God?
Of course, that is what the term Messiah means: one who is “anointed” (empowered) by God.
John’s thesis is given explicitly at the end of the book:
“And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Messiah (anointed) the Son of God” (John 20:30-31)
I really hate unitarian cherry picking.
@@TestifyApologetics
I don’t deny the Trinitarian proof texts, I just think that the 1% that they quote should align with the 99% that they ignore. You should try reading the Bible from a Unitarian perspective. You will find that it is far more coherent.
By the way, I do appreciate your channel
@@Mikha335 This is one of the most honest comments I have seen with regards to this topic in these comment sections.
@@Mikha335 Did you actually listen to the video? In the Trinity there's a hierarchy. The Father's will is done on Earth and in Heaven; the Word carries out the Father's will on Earth, creating and redeeming; the Spirit creates order from disorder and gives life and words to men. We call the Word "the Son" because like an earthly son He is "of the same stuff" as His Father, but is obedient to Him. Jesus makes it quite clear throughout the Gospels that 1) He is carrying out the Father's will and 2) The Father has given Him all authority (see Daniel 7:13-14).
Sounds like Morgue learned his theology from THE DA VINCI CODE!
5:03 That's not Licinius. That is Crassus.
Wasn't his full name Marcus Licinius Crassus?
@@paolobagatella8556Crassus lived in the 1st century BC, not in the 4th century AD. This Licinius holds the name of Flavius Valerius Licinianus Licinius and has a different bust.
So no, they aren't the same.
@@Michael_the_Drunkard Ah, sorry, I haven't watched the full video yet 😅
@@paolobagatella8556 di niente
It's so dishonest for someone to quote scripture out of context in order to spread heresy. Morg needs to try harder lol
Wrote my thesis essentially on how cracked gnosticism was. Using it as a rational way to explain anything about historical Christianity is like using a Spider-Man comic to explain arachnid reproduction.
Anyone else notice how so many of these antichrists have a tone of anger in their voices when doing their "educational" videos about the Savior?
Thanks for making this video. I feel like no christian is talking about this guy when we should. He’s been saying some crazy things and lies about god and the Bible. His videos can easily be rebuked. I just wish someone could come and say all that he’s saying is false.
Would there be much point? His other videos about his own beliefs are so nuts, that if anyone put any credence in them, then they're hardly likely to listen to sense.
Although, come to think of it, I think some one did actually do this, while challenging the idea of witchcraft being "good" in the comments on one video, and lo and behold, many of his followers think along the same lines, and practice witchcraft too. He who had ears, pearls before swine etc.
Well, now because we are 20 - 30 years late, it made him pretty god because the university is free to send people here or from afar to study him
I pray that all those views he has on his videos come from people who know he's completely nuts and only watched to get a laugh. I mean, just read those titles! The level of cringe is going to send ME to a morgue.
But deep down I feel like I'm being unreasonably optimistic.
Oh nah I can FEEL the TikTok Muslims stalking his comment section as we speak😒
The book of Zechariah chapters 12 & 13 alone debunks any opposition to “Jesus isn’t God” arguments.
how in the world can anyone take the ""gospel of Judas"" seriously when the guy committed suicide with no means to write it at all is beyond me
I was just thinking that. Didn't exactly have time to write it, did he?
I think this Morgue fellow has been reading too much of the Da Vinci Code; a novel well known for its historical accuracy.
Good one😭
Truth and fiction in the da vinci code
@@fas1840 Mostly fiction; little if any truth. Ask any actual historian.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 wot? That’s the title of a book by Ehrman.
@@fas1840 oh chute my bad you’re right.
You should respond to Tovia Singer’s claims that Paul purposely misquoted the Old Testament and that certain messianic prophecies are the product of mistranslations at the hands of Christians.
I plan on responding more to Singer in the future for sure. Stay tuned.
Once you know that Jesus, the Bible and Christianity are true, any arguments against it appear so obviously weak and ridiculous, like Morgue's objections show. I really enjoy your content, Erik. Keep it up!
After taking his claims to scripture his case falls apart 🤔 Continue to search the scriptures like the Bareans.
Sometimes I’m just asking myself this simple question… How is it possible that someone like him could be dead wrong about Jesus but still have subscribers ?!
People hate the light and love the darkness. It is sad very sad.
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20:30, 20:55, 21:20 - I’m not sure what the point of citing Andrew Perriman is… since Perriman’s article argues that Acts isn’t presenting Jesus as truly God.
If the point is to cite an opposing view which recognizes that there are Acts-passages where people call on the name of Jesus - parallel to calling on the name of God in the First Testament - that’s cool.
But you didn’t respond to Perriman’s explanation for the “name” passages around 20:53, that these passages can be explained in the context of exaltation. They don’t need to be indicators of inherent divinity, according to Perriman. Perriman’s point is that Jesus was “made” divine, not that Jesus has inherent divinity (Acts 2:36).
Obviously Testify is a Trinitarian, most people are since that doctrines has been pushed for centuries. However, there are many logical and consistency problems with the trinitarian view, one of them is reading into the text ideas that the text does not have. Jesus had plenty of opportunities to say “I am God also along with the Father and the Spirit,, I have always existed,.. etc” but the fact is that Jesus never said anything like that. When Jesus asked Peter who people say that I am? Peter answer correctly, “ you are the christ the son of the living God” Jesus did not make a correction as to what Peter said, on the other hand he confirmed it. So in John 17:3 Jesus plainly says that his Father is the Only true God and that he is the Christ sent by Him, whatever other verses may appear to say the contrary should tell us that our interpretation must be faulty. I ask, are we going to believe what Jesus said about himself or not? None of the apostles considered Jesus to be God ever, Thomas assertion has to be understood in light of what Jesus told Phillip, “ whoever sees me sees the Father also”, Thomas recognized that the Father was the agent in Jesus giving him power, wisdom, and authority, so Thomas declared the son and the Father when he said, “ my lord and my God”, Jesus did not say he was God when he said “ Before Abraham was I am” some translations translate the I am as I exist or I am he” All Jesus was saying is that in the plan of God, he was there from the beginning. We have to compare what John 9:9 says which in Greek is the same answer Jesus spoke however nothing weird is being made out of that text. No where in the Bible the trinity is taught.
These guys always leave out the fact that Paul’s writings are the earliest Christian documents we have, and Jesus is very explicitly God according to Paul, (Romans 9:5, Philippians 2:6, 2 Cor. 4:4-6, etc) even if we restrict ourselves to the epistles that are undisputedly Paul’s.
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No. That quote, in context, is specifically about the Father. And even if Jesus is talking about himself, given that he is thenonly begotten son of God that gives him.the attributes of God by birthright, not because He is, but because His Father Is.
The context is quite clear he is talking about himself
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Like I explained ot doesn't matter if he is or isn't when context it taken of who Jesus is.
Regardless, the context is not that clear. That whole chapter is Jesus arguing with the pharasees about who their father is and ends in that qoute. So, no, it isn't clearly about Jesus. It could be about him, but that it bad reasoning to base a core of your theology on a "maybe" basis
@@elib9002 No, it is extremely clear. The context is Jesus is explaining how he could have been alive during abraham's time
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Verses 52, 53, 54, 55, and 56.
52 Then the Jews said to Him, “Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, ‘If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.’ 53 Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Who do You make Yourself out to be?”
54 Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is [o]your God. 55 Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
this is clearly in context to the father.
if you are going to keep arguing like a child. then really isn't anywhere else to go from here.
again. even if it "is" about Jesus, then once context is taken from Jesus about what he thinks of himself then it makes sense that he can make the statements in reference to himself. because He is the One And Only Begotten Son of The Living God. that makes everything God has His by birthright.
and even if you foolishly decide to try and annul this by some retarded reason or devilish twist of scripture you need the start of this argument shown.
14 Jesus answered and said to them, “Even if I bear witness of Myself, My witness is true, for I know where I came from and where I am going; but you do not know where I come from and where I am going. 15 You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one. 16 And yet if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone, but I am with the Father who sent Me. 17 It is also written in your law that the testimony of two men is true. 18 I am One who bears witness of Myself, and the Father who sent Me bears witness of Me.”
19 Then they said to Him, “Where is Your Father?”
Jesus answered, “You know neither Me nor My Father. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also.”
the trinity doctrine is nonsense explicitly becasue Jesus does not say
"I bear witness of myself because I am your God." he does not.
try actually reading your bible.
Man. What happened to lucious after the battle of hogwarts?
Whoever this guy is, should read very closely why Jesus spoke in parables.
Jesus is True God and True Man.
The Scriptures explain it this way in Matthew 25: 34-40 (NIV):
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
0:20 Sorry - - PLENTY of material accounting for this verse satisfactorily. Jesus Christ had a Scriptural charter (that is, a collection of verses that foretold his coming) that go back as far as a remark God made to Eve in the garden of Eden (the "seed of the woman"). So he has an office, a charter, a mission, a *presence*, that goes WAY back before Abraham. This is nothing to do with him physically pre-existing.
In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and God was the word. Then the word became flesh. What's that supposed to mean if not pre-existence?
Hey testify, can you do a video on Dawa wise this is a video where the Muslim apologist has a debate with a Christian apologist about John 1030 this a video where the Muslim apologies says that what Jesus responded after prove that he’s not God the Muslim claims that when Jesus said, is it not written in your law, I said you are, God he believes that this proves Jesus is not claiming to be God
Isaiah 9:6 describes the coming Messiah to be "Mighty God." In John 3, Jesus told the woman at the well that He is that Messiah, clearly calling Himself God. All of the first century extra biblical sources note that the Christians of the FIRST century worshiped Jesus as God. Well before the supposed "God myth" is said to have crept into the faith. Come on, this guy calls himself "Morgue" has cultic symbols in his back drop, and even his collar forms an upside-down five point star. He couldn't be more obvious if he tried.
Idk if his video was cringe or disappointing, either way it was definitely uneducated lol.
Good work Testify
Really the Father is wrathful while Jesus was the opposite? Let's see, the Lion of Judah got angry in Mark 3:1-6, 11:15-19, John 2:15-17 and Psalm 2:12. Then you got Revelation--particularly the first 3 chapters--best support might be Rev 2:18-29. Also the first coming had a totally different purpose than the second coming will, and in John 5:16-23--particularly verse 22-23, Jesus says "For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgement to the Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father..." in reference to the coming judgement at the end of the age. So... yeah...
So dude thinks that Constantine wanted to use an oft-persecuted but supposedly very divided religion as some uniting force over Pagan tribed who would instantly take to Monotheism and also be cool with taking orders from God as opposed to the Emperor... who had been traditionally deified in the past and it would be far more effective to simply have weaponized that pre-existing system?
Makes sense so far.
yes
Morgue sounds worryingly like Spirit Science. Birds of a feather I guess?
Can you make a video on biblical unitarianism?
@@user-oh5gz4ue6r There is though... There is this yt channel called biblical unitarian and sometimes I feel like they make a strong case
@@loek3577perhaps I can but I would recommend learning some church history and reading Athanasius.
Highly recommend Anthony Rogers's videos on unitarianism.
For a brief introduction, I recommend InspiringPhilsophy's videos (I don't remember the exact titles)
"Jewish evidence for the trinity"
And
"Trinity in the Old Testament"
He has a series on Cira International about the Angel of the Lord in the Old Testament being God but disinct from God. Testify alludes to one such example with the man that Jacob wrestles with the man/God. Anthony carefully reads the passages and points out the interesting things about it.
Anthony also has long and great livestreams on his own channel with great detail and has several debates on this.
His livestreams on Cira International on the book of Hebrews is great.
As is explained in the debate with Michael Brown and James White against two unitarians, Hebrews explicitly calls Jesus God.
One for Israel also has a great series "Case for Messiah" which addresses these things as well and bring in Jewish sources which acknowledge things that Christians believe as well because the writers of the NT were jewish and Jesus is the Jewish Messiah.
Church Fathers were aware of these OT passages and connected the dots.
For instance some of the passages discussed by Anthony and others are: "The Lord said to my lord."
Yahweh said: "Come up the Mountain to Yahweh." (Talking about himself as if a different person in a different place)
"Yahweh poured down fire and burning stone from Yahwah in Heaven."
Hagar and Parents of Samson seeing the Angel of the Lord and saying that they will die.
The Torah mixing up whether it is the Angel of the Lord or God who is speaking on any occasion.
Can we see God or not see God? Exodus affirms then denies this within the span of a chapter and more.
And lots more.
@@OnTheThirdDay Thanks a lot
@@TestifyApologetics Thank you!
I have literally never seen such a superficial/facile treatment of this subject from an atheistic perspective in my life.
Matthew 5:34-37 KJV
but I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. time stamp 5:52
Those are different uses of the word