Encanto Theory: Who Killed Mirabel’s Grandfather? (Abuelo Pedro)
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I think the reason why the casita interacts more with Mirabel is because it’s the spirit of Abuelo Pedro and Mirabel is most like him because she too was willing to sacrifice her life for her family and even while the casita was breaking it still protected her. And in the beginning of the song, The Family Madrigal she says good morning Abuelo and respects the him even though it’s a picture
Abuelo Pedro's dad
Or its her gift think about it when she was happy the house was fine but when she was mad or sad it crumbled
That's what my sister said after watching Encanto for the first time. I sort of agree. It makes enough sense
But she also kept saying how that would make this similar to 'Monster House' and that made the theory sound a bit ridiculous to me
@@singingocean8067 her gift is connected to the house house communication power psychic
Me too, I think it is the spirit of Pedro!!
This makes Abuela's desperate need to maintain community camaraderie even sadder. She saw what happened the last time neighbors turned against neighbors
mygoshh 😭
Jesus, nice point
Thissss👆👆👆👆
Abuela was desperate to maintain the miracle not only to maintain the village safe and maintain the powers, as she said “I was given a miracle”. Other ppl must have also lost their loved ones during the war but for a reason she was the one chosen to take care of a blessing. She felt it was her duty to honor not only her husband death but many others and I think imma cry again 😭😭😭😭
@@gabriellaalvares1038 I absolutely think that's the main struggle for abuela but the point from the original commenter has something there. Both can be true in a way (the need to save their miracle being the most crucial desire). Some moments that stood out after reading the OG comment were, her need to go and reassure everyone to stop any growing fear (could be from a need to keep the facade and to keep peace). And the shock she has when the townsfolk come to their aid at the end. Just some food for thought. Great discussion!
I give Disney HUGE points for really digging into Colombia's dark history and the story of Los Desplazados to incorporate it into the story. They've really been knocking out of the park in doing their homework for these Latino cultures.
They've started to use a cultural trust since Moana, I think (for Disney animated movies anyway, idk how Pixar works on their movies) so that's probably why.
Yes you can tell they're getting people of that culture to tell the story and not white wash
I'm ashamed to admit I knew next to nothing about Colombian culture before seeing Encanto. It prompted me to do my own research, and I fell in love with it. It's 100% deserving of more attention!
Yeah, seems like they finally started taking this kind of thing seriously after some missteps with the first Frozen movie; using the Sámi people's culture and singing but not depicting them at all in the film.
Our dark history… that to this day it’s still happening and we’re far from changing this masacres and families being desplazadas from their homes by la guerrilla/military ilegal groups… even though our past is darker than our present, this injustice, inside war,, violence and corruption it’s still happening in our present and even though we’re fighting for a change and a better future for us and the next generations, we’re far from reaching the peace we all as Colombians deserve♥️🇨🇴
I’m Colombian and my grandad told me “never ever discuss politics with anyone, even your friends. People will betray even their own family and friends for the sake of a political party”. And he also told be the horrible things that were done to so many people just because of the political party they belong to or supported.
Gives me more of a reason to despise politicians more....
So sad.
Having this explained to me and reading comments like yours kinda upped my anxiety about how people are treating each other in the US.
It's true even in other countries. For both sides. I've seen people judge others for being liberal and disown them from their own families. I've also seen people be completely awful to conservatives and even tell them that they should die.
My fiance has even been threatened by a "friend" of one of our friends because he mentioned being somewhat conservative. We make a point of trying to keep our thoughts to ourselves (he's better at it than me. I grew up in a very politically vocal family) and he's still judged and then I'm judged because I'm engaged to him.
This is in America. I want to love my country but it's so full of hatred and judgement right now. And most people don't even realize that they're the ones contributing to it.
@@Hanachai it is real that we used to be much better at disagreeing and remaining civil right? I'm not just over exaggerating how different it seems now? I'm sorry you both experienced that kind of instant judgment and aggression
Also about what you said about there being people alive that still remember that; My grandfather was alive at that time and he couldn’t stop crying even after watching the scene. I’m only 16 so I haven’t been that involved in the conflict, but while watching the movie my parents told me that that image of Mirabel under casita’s scraps after it’s destroyed, with ash on her hair, is an image that they’ve seen on the newspapers a thousand times, of little girls getting saved by a ‘miracle’ in landslides. I just love how much effort the Disney team put into making this film, it was something truly powerful for us
And great grandfather
I'd like to say that's "pretty cool", but I don't know if that's the right word here. Thanks for sharing that
Your grandfather was very smart, I hate to say this but that’s what’s happening now because of the current controversy
@@kagome1000o Wait no idk what you meant but my grandfather is still alive lmao. I meant that he was alive during the time of la violencia which is the time Abuelo Pedro dies in real life, so he cried a lot while watching the movie bc he was remembered of it
@@felipeklopstock2077 0.0…..when I read my grandfather (was) alive I thought that implied he passed, glad he didn’t, a lot of ppl need his wisdom srry about the misunderstanding
This is not just history, it’s what happens in Colombia right now.
The magical realism is part of the culture, the hope, the variety, the diversity, it’s all colombia. It’s a country of contrast and beauty.
I read a paper that states that 8-10% of Colombians faced displacement in the 2000's. The triplets would have been captured and raised as soldiers was a common practice. Probably the reason why the villagers were chased.
Isn’t the civil war in Colombia over?
@@nathanielrodriguez1873 it’s called “armed conflict” because it’s not very defined and organized enough to be a “civil war”. But there where a bunch of classic “civil wars” too so could be one of those
@@nathanielrodriguez1873 one was technically solve unfortunately the government had not follow through the agreement and we'll as some former fighters, not to mention there's more than one group unfortunately unless there's true land reform and the end to the failed war on drugs I don't see a true resolution to the conflict
@@thevine2010 its not as clear cut as that, kids rarely got taken and in very rural areas it's more like they are tempted and they search the guerrilla themselves for an "easier" life but the conflict was alive in smaller cities too, up to upper middle class face this too, in my case we had to leave in 2002 but after 6 years we were able to return with little issue. Back then there were lots of kidnapings, guerrilla said they targeted young adults since they are more resillient and easier to keep, they rarely targeted elderly or children
That moment when you realize Isabella and Mariano look near identical to Pedro and Alma, and the possible reason why Alma wanted Isabella to marry Mariano is because she wanted one of her grandchildren to have the life she never had with her husband.
in Luisa's song, there's a strange sentence that always stood out to me: "I worry that something is gonna hurt us". I guess this explains it.
Not to mention, all the powers of the Madrigals can be used militarily against any potential external violent forces:
Luisa is strong, to the point she can manipulate the physical landscapes even, that's self-explanatory; Antonio, Isabela and Pepa can use nature to fight and prevent enemy advances; Julietta can heal; Bruno can see into the future and help preparations; Dolores can hear enemy plans; and Camillo can infiltrate as a spy and to manipulate and foil enemy plans
Given their powers and the history of Colombia, it seems highly likely that there will be a second film in which the family and town have to face an outside force.
@@hop208 I will point out that Julieta and her siblings are 50. So if we look at La Violencia it took place over 10 years. So if we assume the Encanto was formed in the middle of the La Violencia it would be 1953. +50 years thats 2003. So given that there was also an internal war in Colombia at the time, its possible.
Isabella is very underestimated, she's the strongest madrigal in my opinion
@@hop208 and for that, in Encanto's case, they could probably pull off the external conflict plot better than how they did for Frozen 2 lol
But the bar'd be high - since they pulled off the internal conflict so well in this movie, an external conflict could feel dry
@@OlTimeyChara definitely since the application of her powers can be very flexible and she actually has high control over it, only to be limited to pretty stuff
Julietta's side of the fam got some real wowzers
Every single familly in Colombia has stories and tales about displacement and violence, watching the "Dos oruguitas" scene reminded me so much of my own abuela's stories, I just started crying thinking of how many people went through this. If you think about it Encanto is a hideout for a displaced familly, as many others that weren't so lucky to have the miracle. That is what the huge mountains around Encanto are for, protecting the familly and the rest of the town from the violence.
I thought the exact same thing, i could see both my grandmothers stories in that scene (Una escapo con su papa y sus hermanas a Bogotá y la otra la enviaron a un convento por años), it's hauntingly heartbreaking but beautiful all the same.
Same!! I cried just thinking how real this is for so many families in Colombia…
Yes this is why i cry every time. My grandfather was from Colombia. I cannot watch the movie without crying and I've seen it probably 50 times at least (I have a 3 year old that watches it EVERY SINGLE DAY lol)
I wonder if the mountains were an analogy like that or disney actually found a place in colombia like that and decided to place the movie there
Moana's town IS EXACTLY like one of american samoa's towns, wich is where she is from, so I trust the disney researches for Encanto also copied a exact colombian location
@@nantae1047 It's most probably just a mix of lots of towns in Colombia, there's many many many colonial towns like that here, almost exact each to the other (spaniards weren't so creative), there's a location in encanto i love and it's the main plaza where the church is, because that's where every single town starts and grows from, also most of the times the biggest and richest houses are just outside in the periphery, just like casita.
The creators did say where the encanto was though, and it's a real place, it's called Valle del Cocora, abundant in wax palm.
(Obviously I'm Colombian so my english isn't the best, sorry)
I have a theory that the due to Abuelas wish for a miracle and Abuelos sacrifice they combine together to give the candle the magic so Abuelos very being maybe inside the candle and what helps the Casita to have magic alongside the family bond of the Madrigals cuz I'd like to think that even though he's gone he's still around being able to protect his family.
Dude I just commented the something very similar I knew I couldn't be the only one!
So a literal sacrifice that a God(ess) honored...
I’m sorry dark thought but if the miracle happened when Abuelo died isn’t it like a blood sacrifice? Or it it like a Harry Potter and Lily thing?
@@justinefuentes8520 I'd say a Harry and Lily thing. Like a ghost doesn't pass on but stays to do good and watch over guardian angel style instead of a haunting type of thing.
@@mouserdouser4455 But I think he moved on when the Casita was destroyed; that's why the yellow butterflies return and the candle doesn't come back; Alma and her descendants learned to keep the magic without him.
Random theory, Pedro's spirit lives on as the Casita? Always caring for the members of the family, tending to one anothers needs, only to break as Abuela's spirit changes and hardens over the years as one's lovers heart would break seeing them start to change towards the worst instead of the better? Just a theory, I'm sure I can't be the only one.
That's a good theory.
I totally agree . I believe casita is mirabel grandfather as well and when appear in river mirabel with her grandmother butterfly came and I do believe is also grandfather
I think something similarly. However, it's also clear that by the end of the movie, the candle no longer exists. Casita sitll does, so long as the family's bond is strong.
If I am allowed to add onto your own theory. Abuela's gift was the house itself. Mirabel's "gift" was that she was to become the next Abuela. Abuela misunderstood this. What I'm saying is that Pedro's spirit can't stay on earth forever, and neither can Abuela herself. The cracks wasn't just the family being torn apart, but also Pedro's very spirit "dying". Of course, he came back in the end, but only because Mirabel's Gift is keeping her family together and balanced (aka being seen more than just their gifts and being "perfect"). Heck, I even think that all of the song sequences are actively happening in Mirabel's head. No one notices it happening, but Mirabel clearly is physically affected by these... "visions" of sorts. She's had this gift all along, but she didn't realize it was anything special or unusual....
One could even say, she can see her family's hearts, including "Pedro/Casita".
Also, side rant thing... Why didn't Mirabel ask for Casita to confirm or deny her claims about the cracks? Obviously, the house can "talk" even if it's obedient to Abuela like a loyal husband should... erm. Would be.
@@Snowmon89 Wow I love that theory a lot. And in the earlier stages of the storyboarding Abuela’s mood would change the wallpaper of the house to suit her mood. So in reality her gift was the house in a way. Her gift doesn’t end up in the final cut but it’s nice to know that she at least is in charge of the gift giving though. But yeah I like to think that the reason Mirabel didn’t get a gift is because the magic couldn’t give her something that still exists. Which is the keeper of the gifts and head of household. I believe once Abuela does pass away, Mirabel will inherit Abuela’s door making her the head of the family. And I think her having a door in front of the house kinda solidifies that claim as it kinda signifies a bit of ownership. Because when you have a door it’s your door! But she literally has the front door so it’s her house even though she probably won’t see it that way but it’s pretty much how it is. Though how she will give the gift in the new generation without the candle is kinda in the air but we won’t know until the passing which I hope doesn’t happen anytime soon.
Agreed. Pedros portait had the yellow butter flies. The candle had a butterfly and maribels clothes had a butterfly. All the family members have symbols on their clothing that represents their power. I suspect that the dress maribel wears not only encompass her whole family through color scheme, but also her abuelo pedro through the butterflies on her dress.
I realized while watching this that when Pedro tried to stop the attackers, his intention most likely was to reason with his former neighbors and friends who were consumed by fear and weren't thinking rationally... Just makes it even harder for me...🥺
Wish that were true
That totally makes sense. He was a good man.
The whole village were fleeing...as many did. Outsiders of those tows were coming in pushing people out, killing, hurting, taking children prisoners to be young warriors. That is what has happened in Colombia's history. Reason why it is such a painful time for our country.
During that time families were being attacked in general because of the fathers political ideas, vocality and general involvement, as much as they were his 'neighbors' he most definitely new he was turning himself in to die and most likely tried reasoning with them in an attempt to save his family (which had it not been for the magic, would've failed)
That makes more sense of why he went back there knowing that he could be killed. He was trying to find a solution to save everyone 🥺
I noticed the river looks a lot like “Caño cristales” which is a river in Colombia known for its water reflecting 7 colours. Just wanted to mention it ‘cause I haven’t seen anyone point that out.
I've only seen comments about it for the most part but I did read an article that talked about it in a list of things about Colombia culture people might miss. It included pointing with lips which was something I noticed but know in the contexts of the Ojibwe tribe in Minnesota (it's only towards eagles in that case as a sign of respect)
@@hopenoble7266 Colombia*
@@angiepaolagarciaguevara8466 Thank you
nice catch
My husband noticed this the first time we watched the movie! so beautiful!
I almost cried with this backstory, and i am not the type of person who cries over fictional characters. What really made me almost cry was Alma's reaction to Pedro's death, man that was heartbreaking
It was the music that got me. I don’t even know what it said but it was so beautiful
@@thepagemaster2963 That music its depression itself
It was real. That was a heart shattering.
@@thepagemaster2963 the song said something about 2 caterpillars loving each other (Abuela and Abuelo) and having to move on and saying that they’ll meet
again (in the afterlife) but for now , they’ll have to move on since it’s what’s best for them.
The way she collapsed and yelled out her grief and despair while clinging to her children, I literally balled like an absolute baby the very first time I watched it, I was shaking. Idk why it got me the way it did, it just felt so real. Encanto is the most emotional Disney movie I've personally ever watched, I'm so attached to it now
This might be too intense but as someone that grew up in Colombia, the image of a man on horseback with a machete is something that all generations of Colombian instantly recognize. So much violence (yes, machetes are often used) plagues our country and it was so bold and shocking in the most amazing way to see that in the film. My parents bawled their eyes out. I appreciate Disney's boldness is including that reference to past and current atrocities that happen on our soil.
I have a theory that Abuelo Pedro was magic himself or that he’d bought the enchanted candle for Abuela and that if anything was to remotely happen to him, then his family would always be protected like he’d put a part of his spirit or his soul into the candle.
Pedro sacrificed himself for his family (like Lily in Harry Potter) and that provided the ultimate protection for his family. The minute he died, his magic went into the candle and the candle gave Abuela the Casita and protection for his family
My other theory was that he was reincarnated as a butterfly
Pedro being born magical or having a magical connection to spirits would explained why he was so targeted in the first place. He could have been a magical pawn for them or sought out by them before getting married. They tried to retaliate by randomly attacking places he was last seen at.
It would explain why they went after the villagers and seem set to kill only one person despite a entire town worth of treasures to raid.
@@carolinemarren1089 something clearly must have happened to scare off Civil War soldiers as there was nothing to really stop them from going after everyone else
Something else that people talk about in regards to this story, is Mirabel's "lack" of a magical gift. And yet, as those that have seen the movie know, she's not only the one that worked to protect the Magic, but also brought it back after they rebuilt their home, and their family. I have a theory, and certainly hope that it might be explored if Disney were to serialize or come back with a sequel (but mostly a cartoon series) of Encanto, that Mirabel actually does have a Gift, but it is one that can only be expressed through her Family and *their* Gifts; that Mirabel can Enhance and/or Take Away her Family's Magical Gifts, depending upon her relationship with them. Recall, it wasn't until Mirabel spoke with, and then Luisa disregarded Mirabel's advice and fell into despair that her Gift began to fade, while with Isabella as she and Mirabel grew closer, her own powers became super-charged and she began to do things she never had before. Might be cool for Disney to explore Mirabel being a "Booster" for each of her Family's various gifts, while also having the "power" to take away their powers too.
@@EvilGuy52
Who ia Pedro's dad?
@@FiveFurys5 we don’t know. Abuela and Abuela Pedro are the Matriachas and the head of the first Madrigal family that we know of and seen
Man, I've heard that people were talking about how Encanto showed cased Colombia's history, but I never thought it was that tragic
It makes Pedro's murder so sad 😢
Colombia's past and present is painful
Agreed
Yup before the 1000 years war there were 58 civil wars, then the guerrillas
@@dresksk1422 1000 days* “la guerra de los Mil días”
Seeing the scene where she dies is absolutely heartbreaking. 😭 He was a good man and didn't deserve that fate
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@@karlaperez7516 Ik that is sad but way to many sad emojis
@@karlaperez7516 *mirabel’s mom *Julieta *their
I have a theory. Notice that as soon as Pedro died the candle got its magic. When he died his soul went into the candle giving it magic and he stopped the bad guys and created the house for his wife and kids and he was the one controlling the house. I think he is the candle and the house.
Your theory is so original.. not like the other 20 people who commented the same thing 🙄
@@andrewjohnson1056 Ok I admit there th early is like the others but people have same ideas UNLESS they have copied-
Absolutely. Santeria (Latin voodoo/witchcraft) which includes blood sacrifices is a very popular practice in rural Latin America, and Colombia is no exception. This was basically his blood sacrifice along with her grief that created this magic spell of protection. Encanto means enchantment, it’s all very witchcrafty undertones.
I have a theory that front person on horseback may have been related or known Pedro in some way, which is why Pedro went out, he thought that maybe if he talked to this person then maybe he could convince them to stop. I personally think its more poetic if this person was Pedro's brother because it ties to the whoke family thing. Pedro died because of a crack in his family so the miracle wasn't just the actual magic of the encanto but the ability for the people within the encanto to have the same hope in each other that Pedro had in his brother, and their ability to fix those cracks before they grow too big.
Nice theory, I’ve always wondered if Pedro had a brother who might still be alive but older and haunted by what happened in the past!
I’d imagine that Pedro’s brother who may have been the lead horseman struggled to give him a merciful end but unfortunately the Violencia was too much for his brother to bear and as such he quickly drove the sword through Pedro quickly as his fellow horsemen also potentially deeply wanted to get out of the violence they were involved in.
The moment the candle blasted sparkles into the air and the men were thrown back likely dozens of meters all I can picture is that would be the moment where Pedro’s brother would become emotionally broken for the rest of his life as he never got the chance to apologize to Pedro and Alma!
It could’ve been more emotion touching if Mirabel was heartbroken about the Casita that she unknowingly ran all the way to Pedro and Alma’s old village and straight into their house.
It would be there she would see a bunch of guilt and trauma ridden elderly men however one of them would recognize her as the granddaughter of Abuelo.
It would’ve been fitting that Mirabel has a chance encounter with her Abuelo’s now older brother who is haunted by the trauma, fear of violence and guilt that all resulted in him being forced to kill his own sibling even if he didn’t want to.
That is really insightful
Maybe he lives just outside the Encanto, in the real world. Or they could’ve died too 🤷🏽♀️
@@christinejorgens6577i want to see this as a fanfic please
What if after Pedro died , he became the mind of the Casita so he could take of his family forever
so that means La Casita is actually El Casita than :/
@@rainy1915 spanish is a romantic language. casa is a feminine word in that language. so even if that was abuelo’s spirit, they still address the house as a female
@@oh_omo7989 yea i was thinking that so wouldnt it be la casito?
I love this ❤️
@@sk3lly638 no el casito
Can you talk about Bruno? What happened to him made me really upset he never got the apology he deserved also his character felt like a reflection of mirabel they went through similar things
I feel like I can relate to mirabel and Bruno on a personal level the emotions mirabel went through and what happened to Bruno felt familiar to me
The wording of that first question has me wheezing-
@@kizoomtite4779 I didn’t do that on purpose 😂 I only realized after I posted the comment
@jf k yeah but he still deserved an apology Abuela should’ve apologized to him even if it was enough for him he’s still owed an apology
No. We don't talk about Bruno no no no.
@@ab107 that was playing in my dead every time I reread my comment
Thank you so much for taking the time to research and explain!! As a Colombian, I’m really happy Disney is showing this reality that still happens to this day here and I’m really happy that more people are learning about Colombian history ;)
Omg, now it makes sense why abuelo pedro decided to step back. When u said that “imagine your neighbor can turn against you”
I now see that abuelo pedro may have seen the guy chasing them and recognized him as someone he is closed too before, thinking and trusting his “friend” can be talked sense to, he believed the goodness in their chaser and told abuela that he may be able to fix this. Abuela possibly knew the guy too that’s why she agreed that maybe abuelo pedro can still convince the guys not to chase nor kill them. But they were both wrong. The pain she felt after the betrayal also now makes a deeper sense with her anguish. If we look closer she was anticipating, like they all stopped to see if abuelo pedro can still talk to them, she was not running away, but they were wrong..aist it makes me cry harder now.
Now i know why abuela alma controls who her family interacts because of the men that betrayed her and abuelo pedro.💔😭
I'm seeing discussions about the time the movie takes place and I wanna give my two cents. Abuela is wearing an item around her waist called a chatelaine (it's shaped like a butterfly). A metal belt hook with suspending chains to carry small items such as a pocket watch, fan, or small bag. These were worn during the late victorian era (1860s to 1900s). Abuela's the only person in the village wearing this item. I did a quick google search on Colombia's history after seeing the movie and did come across the 1000 days war (1899-1992). That got me to guess that the story takes place in the 1950s.
On another note, I did see a commenter from another video say that Mirabel's dad is a cacacho, a fashionably dressed man from Bogotá, the capitol of Colombia. (I don't know much about men's historical fashion, I might do some research into Agustín's clothes)
I've been itching for some analysis videos after seeing the movie, this is a good video.
Actually, mirabel's father is a cachaco, the name comes from "CAmisa, CHAleco and Corbata" , that describes the way they dress up
The only issue with this is the war happened 50 years prior to the film's modern day, and the film is supposed to be turn of the century. This explains lack of electricity or cars, which we would expect to see some in the 1950s. I think the film is in 1910 and the war was the Colombian Civil war 1860-1862. This also jives with the fact that the last scene we see flash lamp photography that was popular in the early 1900s but not the mid 1900s.
To further complicate things the encanto was isolated by mountains since the triplets where babies. So it’s not as if their made up mismatch of dress and technology is current with the universe’s outside world
@@catherinelisethgomezmunar611 que buen dato! Ni yo sabía eso, siempre he dicho “cachaco” sin saber su significado :D
Catherine is right, but Monica is not far off. Mirabel’s father is a cachaco. What Abuelo Pedro is wearing is called a Guayabera. It’s still worn by fashionable men in the area and is commonly now worn by men at traditional weddings and sometimes for business. I have a few of them since I currently live in Colombia.
Now, during the early 1900’s, Guayaberas were commonly worn by fashionable men that affiliated with the Colombian Liberal Party. The Colombian Conservative Party encouraged their party members to seize land from the CLP members during and after the 1000 Day War.
Someone mentioned specific details about Abuelas attire, which leads me to believe that she comes from a Conservative family and that their relationship was actually forbidden.
Their quick wedding scene was very small, which makes me think they did it in secret because entire towns would celebrate a wedding back then.
We had to skip town when I was a child because of the guerrilla but I was able to return aftter. I never thought I ever would see this type of story showcased like this on a big screen least of all from Disney. If you're 28+ years old and born and raised in my city (Cucuta) you definetely remember most of the worst of it, there was a collective 'omphf' by the adults at the cinnema when that scene played (Kudos to the research team at Disney), the rest of the movie felt extra raw after that
It's so curious to hear about the story of my country in this context. To be honest when I saw the movie, the first thing I thought was the violence we still live, even after El proceso de paz. It's so sad my people's story is so written in blood. We could position the Abuelo's death in any part of our history and still makes sense. He suddenly becomes some friend, father or son we had met and never had a chance. His sacrifice hits so hard because is still our present.
I grew up in Colombia and always heard about "the violencia" as this ghost, invisible thing. Because it was normal people, that suddenlty turned violent, against each other. Fear and violence. It is aninivisble force that we are still living through today. Now, it's more probably more relevant than ever--The power that media and politics have over ordinary people.
History has never been kind to Latin America being the center stage for the proxy wars waged by the Soviet Union and the United States during the cold war. Democratically elected governments were overthrown, replaced with dictatorial regimes backed by either superpower, elections were rigged, civil wars erupted frequently as the rival political factions raised their weapons to launch a rebellion, revolutions, and violent uprisings. In the worst-case scenario, people were kidnapped and thrown in detention camps or quietly kidnapped to be buried in mass grave sites for speaking out against the regime. That is why you have so many refugees fleeing northward to escape this hellish environment. Though some Latin countries did manage to find stability, this is still an ongoing issue.
You said nothing but the truth. Even right wing parties still make people fear a demon called: communism.
A Colombian senator even used to believe the USSR still existed
I totally agree with your opinion. You really generally described the historical panorama in Latin America.
This is the best analysis of the events shown on film. To be honest the guy "analyzing" the video would probably never even imagine that US imperialism, colonialism, red scaring or in other words - anti communist propaganda, and intervention in Colombia led to this amount of violence in the country and by extension the continent. Also, that it was always Indigenous and Afro-Colombians who have suffered most of Colombia's violence. The liberals and Conservatives still represented the interests of the white Colombian elite and everyone else was caught in the middle, sending the country into spiraling violence. I recommend people to look up the banana massacres but more importantly to read 100 years of solitude. Encanto after all is just a sugar coated, US corporate Disney appropriated version of the story.
@@mumchas3435 ...Pedro was killed before the Cold War was even a thing. Hell, most likely before WW1 was a thing. The Thousand Days War happened between 1899 and 1902 after all, and considering both the answers given by the people who participated in making the movie and looking at how is the movie's ambient, it's easily deductible than the movie happens aprox. during the Fifties. Considering Abuela's age, we can say that Pedro must have been killed in the 1900's, maximum in the 1910's.
@@yeoldtintico1183 What you said in no way contradicts what I commented. The banana massacres and neocolonialism by the US existed well in the early 1900s. It began with fruit companies and was done through anti union, anti socialist, and anti communist activity.
In the song Dos Orugitas, it talked about two caterpillars in love. At the end of the song they become butterflies and I believe that Pedro is basically the butterfly that was in Bruno's vision. He's the butterfly on the candle, and it's why Casita has so many butterflies.
You hit the nail with that interpretation. Even if the writers and directors didn't intend for it to be the real story of how abuelo Pedro died, the same situation happened and keeps happening, even today, as violence and intolerance ravage our country. This movie hit me hard. I thank Disney for showing and bringing awareness about the magical place that is my home, and the terrible danger that lurks and threatens what would otherwise be a paradise. The Violencia hasn't stopped. It simply evolved, and now it's tied to drug dealings as well, which really, really, crushes my heart.😥
I remember growing up with the stories my grandfather and grandmother would tell about these events. Seeing this movie and your breakdown of the events really struck a chord with me. Thank you for helping others understand part of what the creators of this movie were trying to share with others.
I´m Colombian and I want to thank you for investigating Colombian history and for explaining that theory that is very close to the reality of what my country has been through. What Encanto is showing in a social problem that even today continues to happen because of to the internal armed conflict. Thanks to this, forced displacement is something that hundreds of thousands of people continue to experience now days. It is incredible that Disney has shown this harsh reality in such a respectful way.
I’m Colombian and I can talk about this from an historical point of view.
Colombia’s forced displacement of civilians has been a problem since more than 50 years ago involving several perpetrators: guerrilla, paramilitary and Colombian army. Since Encanto is losely inspired in Garcia Marquez’s book One Hundred Years Of Solitude, it could have been in this case paramilitaries, but I think Encanto just described the overall situation of this human right’s crisis, wheter is from the guerrilla, paramilitary or the state itself. This is a reality in Colombia’s past, present and probably long term future history.
Dada el contexto, la apariencia de los personajes y la tecnología que se muestra. Realmente el suceso de la muerte del Abuelo Pedro sucede durante la Guerra de los Mil Días. Y tiene todo el sentido, dado que esa lucha entre bandos Conservadores y Liberales fue lo que desató todos los males de guerrillas de izquierda y paramilitares de derecha.
Abuela's husband was murdered during the Colombian civil war between liberals and conservatives. During the Colombian civil war the liberals would go and destroy the villages exactly in the same way as it was seen in Encanto. Many families were displaced from their home towns by the civil war, many were murdered, and this civil war was what gave origin to the Colombian guerrilla.
I am from Panama which was affected by the war of a 1000 days at the time that it was part of Colombianos, and my great grandmother who was originally from Barranquilla lived through that so I felt very identified with this movie, and I am sure any Colombian felt identified with it as well.
I get goosebumps when I see the scene of Pedro's death. I'm a Madrigal from Colombia, both of my grandmother's left in the 60's for the US with their babies too. I don't know too much of the history being 1st born American, but maybe I will be soon. That being said, this,also reminds me of the violence Colombia faced in to 80s and 90s due to the drug trade. Many families were displaced and fleed their homes.
The triplets are 50 years old meaning that Encanto probably takes place during the 1940’s or 1950’s
It takes place on the 2000s, the director confirmed that the time that the movie takes place doesn’t seem what it looks like bcause of the isolation of the Madrigal’s village
It cannot be. The attackers in the river are men on horses and machetes. That sounds like something that would happen around 1900.
@@jaimepe4765 In the county side by the 2000's people still used horses and machetes. This could perfectly be the Guerrilla, that is like a little army that fought against the National Army.
@@geraldine253 People nowadays could definitely use machetes, but not armed and organized groups like the ones we saw in the movie. Guerrillas, paracos, and modern gangs would all use other weapons besides machetes, and you know that.
@@jaimepe4765 dude, you said that Abuelo died probably in the 1900s, meaning you just contradicted yourself, cause if that is the case, than the movie takes place in the 50s, which is what the first comment talked about
As a colombian the movie "Encanto" touch me and really hit me. I really cried a lot in that scene, i didn't live the violence in first hand but my grandfather had to left his little town and just start again because of his political believes, before met my grandmother. We were really bless, we did't suffer that much but i have friend that really lost everything, her family lost everything not so long ago because of violence, war and corruption. The war and the violence is so close for colombian people of any time.
PD: Sorry for my english
Gracias por compartir tu historia y no te preocupes, tu inglés está muy bien. ¡que viva Colombia!🇨🇴
You guys realise that the town is literally just magic or its surroundings are. The candle literally makes an entire wall around Abulea after Pedro dies. So maybe its too keep the family in the twon, Bruno did say he couldn't leave the town even uf he wanted too. Or Abuela is just like Gaea, her gift to manipulate the terrain.
That was my only problem with the movie. Since most people don’t know the history of Columbia, we don’t know who drove them out from their homes. But I guess that to make it more explicit would have changed the dynamics of the movie. They needed to keep the hope and the magic in it.
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I've heard that theres going to be an Encanto show in Disney+ which could go into it in more detail. Personally I like the idea of Pedro's brother being the ome leading the attack and killing Pedro, and that's why Pedro tried to make peace, because he thought he could talk his brother out of it.
It's a very interesting interpretation. One more thing that I think it's important mentioning is that the events that lead to the miracle happening are almost the same as the beginning of One Hundred Years of Solitude, which is the best known representative of magic realism, and Colombia's best known book. There are many references to the book in the movie, even if the movie cannot be called magic realism, by the proper literary definitions.
this is a common story among Colombian families, my grandparents had to hide in the mountains waiting for these people to leave their houses, they eventually had to move out to the capital because the life out there was unbearable. This was from a different conflict but the same situation remains even today. If it wasn't the government encouraging violence, it was the drug cartels or armed groups making people leave their homes, a horrible situation.
I kind of see the events that created the magic as being a little like the situation in Harry Potter in that Harry's mother's sacrifice due to pure love cast a spell that protected Harry from Voldemort. Pedro's sacrifice due to pure love created the magic that protected the Madrigals from the bad guys chasing them. The magic was almost undone by the undercurrent of unhappiness that the magical family members were experiencing but rekindled because of Mirabel's love of her family.
omg ur right
I think that's a good backstory of Alma's flashback in the point of reference on this movie and the real history.
I'm pretty sorry of the loss of Alma's Husband, Pedro at the cost of his life and their tradegy happen right before Casa Madrigal was born. 😢💔
In fact based on the tragic history of Colombia was on the civil wars at their numerous times since the Independence on the 19th Century.
3/4 of my grandparents were victims to the displacement caused by La Violencia Bipartidista, it's a truly interesting period and historical environment to study that leads to a rabbit hole of the cycle of violence in our country, it wasn't really one-sided, both sides commited atrocities and the main towns of the Colombian landscape became utterly onesided, some would be blue (conservatives, mockingly called 'godos') others red (liberals), the buses out of the towns were followed by the attackers in an attempt to find the fleeing opossers, and let's just say that they weren't mercyfull even to the families. Most of the (survivng) fleeing families would seek shelter in a town that aligned itself to their oplitical ideology or directly going to the main cities, specially the capital Bogotá.
I was so moved when I realized the movie incorporated such an honest and heartbreaking aspect of the country's history into the story, the movie overall is a magnificent portrayal of Colombia and including surviviours of this conflict being able to thrive and move on really helped improve on a great movie.
I think your theory is good.. however I think who killed abuelo Pedro is the violence in Colombia.. period.. No matter when in the history of Colombia. Normally the violence in Colombia caused " desplazamientos" displacement of families.. they were forced to move out of their homes... this was more predominant in the 80s and 90s... burning whole villages was also their M.O. I think it is a reminder to all of us Colombians... how much families have suffered for the greed or hunger of power of a few bad men. I called them a few.. because the good ones are way more.. but we have lived in denial and afraid for way too long.
Woah I would've never thought of such a theory,good job
Also even though everyone already is doing this theory but I think Pedro's spirit is either three things
1.A Butterfly,I also think the other butterflies represent those who lives were lost as well
2.The Candle
3.The Casita
For the 3rd one If it was possible then his spirit might've started to cause the cracks everywhere after the argument of Abuela and Mirabel along with the treatment Bruno got from the family,and that he was another one like Dolores who knew he never left the family
Thank you for this!! Because the threat wasn’t really specified I was more confused at them running away than anything else. But what confused me most was Pedro sacrificing himself thinking that he could reason with them. He didn’t have a weapon and held his hands up meaning he meant no harm. But if it was soldiers or police coming after them then they would have immediately killed him and his sacrifice would have been for nothing because it didn’t buy Alma and the kids and the community much or really any time. And even if they were going to capture him rather than kill him that would only take one person and the others could still go after Alma and his kids. But it makes more sense that he thought he could stall or reason with them since they were his neighbors. People he knew personally would be more likely to pause at his pleas. Obviously that didn’t happen as he was killed but there was more of a potential that his pleas would do something than I had initially thought. So his actions make a lot more sense with this context.
This film literally feels like Disney’s version of Cien años de soledad.
This movie made me cry. I am indian I really could relate to all the characters since our family structure is similar. Plus the lived experience of the partition is still present in my grandfather's mind so I cried.
I was born and raised in Colombia and I am amazed by how accurate you summarize that part of our history that Encanto is about.
Thank you for taking the time and reading about Colombian history, I was a little scared to see this video. I have seen most of your videos which I love but this is something very personal, being Colombian myself and my grandparents having passed by that part of Colombia's history...thank you for providing accurate information and I must say you could be correct on the theory of who killed Abuelo Pedro, when I went to see the movie with my family we all thought the same as your theory that this had happened during those times... Colombia is still passing through something similar but it is not as violent as back in the day.
Again thank you!!
This is the kind of discussion/theory I like from this channel: a history lesson, a cultural lesson, a lesson on the potential dark side of politics, and really exploring/analyzing the realistic elements of a great movie. Fantastic video. Keep it up, Isaac!
Thank you for this history breakdown. As an immigrant from Colombia, my father, who’s 82 talks about La Violencia in Colombia often. It completely changed many peoples way of life. And it still happens today. It’s heartbreaking.
Mirabels powers are the fact that she is so close to Casita same as her grandma, that's why they both have the same power. It is also why they were the only ones that could fix the family
I'm so happy with the turn this video took because when I read the title I thought: "Really? It's not clear?"
Fun tip: Magical Realism is the style of writing used by Gabriel García Marqués, if you want more read "100 years of Solitude"
Also, look at how different the story is told in the beginning and and how it's told at the end. Portrays the innocent way the characters remember how the Encanto was built and how devastating the truth actually was. I mean check it out! The first time they run through the story it's sad but you don't see thing like the Machete of the riders and abuela's reaction to Pedro's death is sad but is way heart wrenching the second time. I love this movie!
When I saw the scene of the violent dudes my first thought was "Spanish"
Ok, because I'm from Colombia I'm going to explain what happened, in Colombia before drugs and the guerrillas we had stupid and useless leaders who were too used to using violence to take power, after the 'independence' of Spain There was a civil war, they were liberals and conservatives, they tried to be the ideology that would manage the country but not done with ideas or debates, it was done by attacking and killing people in small towns where the other faction settled, the people were so stupid like that that only because they were conservatives or liberals were they able to kill each other, much like what happened between capitalists and communists
Beautifuly done. Thank you for being so respectful and doing your research on this. As soon as I saw that opening scene I was like "yes! so glad this is being adressed" My own great grandfather had a farm where he lived with his wife and his kids but due to violence they were displaced. My own grandmother remembers this and her sisters too. In one way or another all Colombian families have been affected by this. Thank you again!
I immediately subscribed after I listened to your discussion. I had goosebumps. Wonderful job! And thank you for trying to keep to Spanish pronunciation!!!!
I love how respectful you are to other cultures Latin America is a place of rich history and complicated conflicts. Thank you for taking the time to research this so well.
Okay, but there's something still bothering me. Pedro turned to face the four angry horseman and somehow saved the entire group of people? Just one person? Since the magic doesn't seem to have any protective powers and may not have even shown right away anyway... this would imply Pedro was even more important. He was also at the front of the group he led at one point. What role did he have in the village before he left? Leader? Something political? Why did they only care about killing him and not just cutting him down and finishing everyone else off?
i cant answer all your questions but i just noticed that after Pedro died, that's when the magic happened and mountains were suddenly formed in front of abuela alma, a way to protect them from their pursuers, that magic threw off the horsemen that's why they weren't able to finish off anyone else
Actually, I think writers wants to communicante a much depper message. To me, pedro is a social leader of community, he and Alma led the people away from violence and got killed because of that... This is still happening in 2022, many social leaders in rural areas are being killed to intimidate the community, sometimes is gerillas and sometimes is the goverment itself. Colombia is number 1 in polítical activists killed in LatinAmérica and the World. When abuelo pedro got killed I couldnt stop thinking about them, thats why I consider this movie A SOCIAL Movie anda work of art.
I have so greatly enjoyed all of your Encanto videos. It’s just so great to see someone take the time to discuss cultural matters, esp. Latin American ones. There is little representation in the main stream and even less time devoted to having actual discussions about it to understand the differences in the various culturas. This movie is absolutely amazing and such a beautiful representation of my culture. Thank you for devoting so many videos to this film and its characters. They are so miraculous and I just love them all. I found your channel through these videos and quickly subscribed. I look forward to more wonderful content. Maybe more people will discover Encanto because of your wonderful explanations. Muchas Gracias 😊 🦋✨
You did such a great job and effort understanding the history and backstory of Colombia. I’d say nearly nailed it! I’d add that the people who killed Abuelo Pedro we’re actually in fact one of the organized military group that in real life displaced thousands of families in Colombia, specifically in the county side of Colombia
I can’t wait for Encanto to finally be released on Disney+ in 2 days. I really want to see it.
The 10 year and 1000 days war is still affecting families with drugs poverty sickness wars and more I’m Spanish so I understand this move especially with the Spanish words may the people who died Rest In Peace
You do an amazing job man! Your analytical skills, research and the love that you put is simply outstanding
Thank you for posting this, and for taking the time to really look into the details and history that make up this wonderful movie!
I think you got it, when I saw Pedro's assassination scene it felt the same as my father tales of our ancestors being killed and displaced.
My mother told me once that my grandfather was forced to give all his live saving for the "revolution". he belonged to the opposite political party and that was the way(giving all his possessions) they didn't kill him.
Isaac, it has been a long while since I have come to your channel and interacted with it. The last video being the deep dive you did on Mama Odie from Princess and the Frog. I was impressed then, and even more impressed now with the level of depth information back history and care that you research and present for your videos. You're doing such a damn good job, Isaac! Very proud of your growth. =)
FINALLY AN ENGLISH SPEAKER THAT SOMEHOW UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE STORY IS!!! I've seen so many gringos saying it's Spanish people and gosh- it was armed groups outside of the law, as you say, from towns. Civilians in armed groups formed guerrillas which have affected the country for years, and they used to drag people out of their homes and dox them to keep the land. My country kinda has a turbulent history, but just wanted to make the point that it was the guerrillas because I feel so upset that people just feel they have the right to speak with property on some they don't know. Thank you dude, maybe this will make some people understand better
I think the miracle is abuelo because after he died the magic was created
I am still trying to figure out how Abuela knew she was having triplets. I don't think there were a lot of ultrasounds in that village. And a stethoscope wouldn't be that precise. I had just assumed it was some sort of bandits that drove them out. This theory is much more tragic.
maybe she felt. motherly feeling, you know..
@@Phoenixx. Unfortunately, being a male, that's something I will never know. ;-)
I remember watching stuff about the Lion King and Lion Guard about a year ago on this channel. Thank you so much for all this information! 👍🏻❤️
I've been wondering about this so long and someone finally explained it to me, thank you
I feel bad for three 3 babies they never saw they're dad
If you have watched Encanto, you know that in Bruno's vision there is a butterfly. When Abuela and Mirabel are at the river, that same butterfly is there. There are small details throughout the film that have butterflies in them. Mirabel's dress has a butterfly, the tile in their kitchen has butterflies on them. On the candle that hold the magic there is a design of a butterfly on it. There are also butterflies behind Abuelo Pedro in his portrait, and that leads to my theory of how Abuelo Pedro reincarnated into a butterfly.
Thank you for this explanation Isaac!
In defense of Abuela…. Rewatch it at look at it from her point of view. She don’t know what others are going thru and push for the best even though it to much pressure on her grandchildren. She strives for the best for the community. She put them FIRST over the family but is that wrong for a Ruler to care about the people of the community first. Imagine being the matriarch of a family AND community. She treated maribel bad but she was trying to keep the magic/gift that her husband sacrificed (which she believed was the purpose and reason for the magic) alive. She would do anything to to keep the magic/hope/purpose/sacrifice alive for the fam and community. She wants/will fight anyone to keep Pedro name/sacrifice alive to keep the Gifts/candle. Miabel didn’t get a gift and she thought that would be the downfall of the happy community/life they built from trama. She thought the candle was his incarceration/omen for peace over the community. They were forced to leave their homes and was given a safe haven to grow the community for 3 generations.
----Columbia history shows this was the thousand day war. Where ppl/families/millions were killed and forced from their homes all in the name of power and control. Imagine what she Witness--
She didn’t want to loose it the magic she was gifted after ALL THE LOSS she experienced. She pushed/strived to make a better/stronger generation for her ppl. Yes she went about the wrong way, but you don’t know your wrong UNTIL YOU GET CALLED OUT. Mirabel called her out and she revalued her actions and changed. She Showed more love and appreciation and the community followed suit and came to help them at the end because they know Abuela/Miragels have their back when it comes to community. Abuela has her faults but her ideals were misguided and she was brought back on path
Appreciated the history lesson! 🤓❤️
My guess was that the time period was the 1800s but in 1810s a Venezuelan man named bolivar made many different revolts in Venezuela, and made the nation of Gran Colombia after revolt in new Granada/Colombia in modern day, but before in one of his revolts, a group called the legion of hell arose and helped the Spanish and did some of the stuff that happened to them in encanto, but that’s just a wild guess
Thank you for sharing these insights and for your research and thanks everyone for your comments. I have really learnt and I am learning a lot. Loved the movie Encanto even though it felt a bit rushed in some areas and it seems a great deal of the story was embedded in the songs which were very fast. Seen it twice and would see it more times. I am a stickler for world cultures and Disney has done quite a bit in opening people to Cultures through their productions.
I am from Colombia and I must say. Great commentary mate. Excellent video.
Hey, thanks! I really appreciate it especially coming from someone from Colombia!
I hav a theory that the candle may have been become magical by spirits, kinda like frozen when the spirits gave elsa magic. Elsa's mother saved her enemy and elsa gets her magic, petro tries to save his family and the spirits reward his sacrifice with the encanto
This is saddest backstory I've ever heard. :'(
It's not just a backstory, it's History.
Thank you so much for the background history of Columbia and its upheaval. I love background information that shape various movies and this one is no different. 😀
If they ever make a sequel, imagine how much all of that character development would disappear faster than Bruno if Abuela finds out that Mirabel would date the grandson of the Madrigal's enemy.
I really respect that Encanto showed our good and bad sides. I mean yes we have a gorgeous country filled with colors and magic but we also have a huge history of violence and war. Los desplazados are real people who have to leave their homes and just kind of hope they find something else somewhere else that still happens today so for Disney to show that is just really great in my opinion. And thank you Isaac for doing your research.
Honestly I think the conflict they went through was the first one in 1900s because main story takes place 50 years later and art book said Pedro died in 1900 well it was in one of your previous Encanto videos wherr show page from art book was Pedro birth and death year was 1875-1900 meaning he 25 when he died
I saw that too but it let me confused. We associate inner displacement with the events after La Violencia period
Hey, great video! By the way, your shirt looks pretty... OK.
Oh my gosh. I watched one of your videos a few years ago... you've grown up so much! Sorry, the mom in me is coming out.
glad u took time to research our history
What was Relationship between the village and The castle in the original Beauty in the Beast
I like to think the curse erased their memory of the castle, like in the remake. I also like to think that Belle’s mother died from the plague like in the remake as well.
@@YellowBear-kx1ff but the castle didn't recognize them and Eat them and crushed them. I know self defense but still if Know and relationships with those people
Love your vids!! Could you please add closed captions? ☺️
I am surprised that a young foreigner knows more about the history of Colombia than the Colombians themselves. Very good information. Thanks for sharing. A hug from Colombia. New suscriber obviously.
The Colombian civil war that started in 1948 after what we call "El Bogotazo" happened, not "The Violencia" ((vee-oh-lencia) which is just violence not an specific name for the war. Also it didn't last only ten years, it is still going, and so is the massive displacement of hundreds of families in Colombia. Also it wasn't about liberals or conservators it was about power, even now it is all about power and money. Actually the Caño Cristales or the river of the 7 colors (the one in the movie) is in one of the states where more people were displaced and where they some battles took placed. And it was obvious that Pedro's lastname was madrigal, the law were the kids can have the mom's lastname first in Colombia it passed only a few years ago, so that is why they were Madrigal.
And guess what? The Colombian Liberal Party was now supported by the Colombian Communist Party and maybe the USSR.
He did mention the thousand day war which was between liberals and conservatives. That war was the cause of all the armed conflicts that happened in Colombia in the 20th century.
@@fareezamanzur-abdulmajid278 you mean Russia? The USSR is long gone.
No, El Bogotazo is the official beginning of what he rightfully identified as "La Violencia," which is a political conflict between liberals and conservatives that is pretty much exactly what he described. The "end" of that conflict was El Frente Nacional in 1956 but several things about that peace treaty, plus the way the government dealt with liberal militias afterwards plus a bunch of other things led to the armed conflict, which officially started in 1964 and which, of course, is still going on today. It's confusing because "la violencia" is also a generic term but that is the historical name for that specific conflict. Sometimes people say "la violencia bipartidista" so it's not as confusing but check your history before you try to correct someone who actually did their research.
This videos fantastic explained every single detail you do a little research you do a lot of working your videos you and I'm very proud of you you you worked hard on your videos all the time I want to see a very proud of you for every single video that you worked hard
Look at you, packing or unpacking your stuff and still gives us content! Good for you!
Hi Isaac, i love this video. I was wondering can you make your next video on the new Dragons: The Nine Realms? If you do i’d really loved that