Hello, maybe you won't see this, but I had to say it anyway. MBTI is deeper than just 16p. The people that bash it don't do their research or only do it surface level and bring the 16p form of MBTI. This is actually infuriating and sad, and I'm sick of it. It's always the "MBTI is bad, how dare you put people in a box" thing and never the fact that it's for understanding yourself and others. While I agree that it shouldn't be used to hire people, it just sounds like you're on the hate train. Sorry if I offended you. You don't actually have to care about this, it's just my opinion.
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How to write a horoscope/personality test: Say something, then immediately take it back. Example: "You're organized, but sometime don't care to order things."
You claim to have read all of the books in your massive collection, and use that to leverage yourself into the lives of people far more intelligent than you, yet you don't even know how to read at all.
MBTI is just astrology for business majors. Personality is far more complex than any test can meaningfully measure. Don't get fooled into adopting it as a way of viewing yourself and others Also, if it helps you to shake off its influence, Carl Jung (the Swiss psychiatrist who founded personality testing as we see it now) also believed that no personality could be measured with such crude instruments
I agree. At most, if we don't take it as completely correct and as a way to compare ourselves to it, we can get an idea of our habits and tendencies. But we also need to observe ourselves and self reflect instead of something else doing it for us
And the thing is true personality tests also test the veracity of your answers. This mbti test is only around 100 questions and take your answers as facts, very easy to manipulate
It does though have measurable correlation with the Big-5 and HEXACO used in actual psychology, unlike say the Western and Chinese zodiacs which can be better explained by the worldly experiences of a cohort who just happen to be born that year or in that stage in the academic calendar.
yup there was studies where people who took the test got a different result taking it again 5 minutes later. it's bull based on how we feel in the moment and perceive ourselves, which depends on our self awareness and changes often
All the personality type nerds know that mbti is shit, and learning cognitive functions provides more nuance. At least it acknowledges that people cannot simply be introverts or extroverts, it's always tied to a perceiving and judging function. You are not a T or an F, an S or an N, you're capable of all of it. It's just a matter of which one is extroverted and introverted, what axis you prioritize, and in what order. I'm not claiming this is the 'real' thing that can define who you are, but it is definitely more helpful in understanding bits and pieces of your behavior compared to mbti that merely relies on stereotypes. Either way, this whole thing shouldn't be used by corporations to hire or dismiss certain type of people, that's just dumb.
MBTI itself isnt a bad thing. It's the fact that people take the assesements too literally. My motto for most things in life is to take everything with a grain of salt. I'd recommend this for everybody else as well...
The problem is people never get into cognitive functions because, just as this video presents, they keep showing the damn 16personalities test. When... the site itself says it's not MBTI in it's theory section!! [It's actually akin to OCEAN, though still a mockery of it...] It's incredibly frustrating. Cognitive Functions are not as shallow or strict as everything presents MBTI to be. East Asia is such a bad driver of this.
@@SoggycereaI16p MBTI sucks and it resulted in the Astrology Big Five edition that became popular, while most people don't even know what are cognitive functions or maybe even read anything that Carl Jung ever wrote except maybe the shadow concept. At the same time i think that most people wouldn't understand the Function system or just not have patience to understand it so i kind of get how 16p became more popular.
I think the problem with psychology at large is that it's trying to explain how it works; the most complicated known computer which logic structure we don't know and we may never be able to replicate, while not having any means to objectively measure what is happening inside it. Therefore, having a monkey randomly hit one of 16 buttons would be just as accurate as MBTI, and so is entire psychology. It's just a monkey sitting in front of more buttons.
Specifically people in korea and not koreans in general, theyre really into mbti and blood type. My parents generations mbti was blood type. They say each blood types have their own type of personalities. Now its mbti. It's annoying because they ask "are you a f or t" where t is "bad". So they ask something like "i hit my head while jumping in the car" and if say "are you okay" you're a f and if you ask "why did you jump in the car?"you're a t. Its such a naive way of viewing peoples judgment.
At least MBTI makes direct generalisations about the person's personality and as such actually TRIES to meaningfully describe the person. Blood types tho...
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I remember watching asian dramas with my mom as a kid and seeing a kdrama teaser focused on blood type B. Specifically hating people with B type blood. The teaser was the female lead saying that she will never fall for blood type B for all the reasons discussed in the video. Since I was a kid, I was so scared to find out my blood type because I didn't want to be type B and be hated just for having that blood type.
Many people are also mistyped because the actual MBTI model includes cognitive functions - which does not reflect in the 16 personality test. The test contains really stupid questions too. Personally, I think there is some truth to MBTI, but there are still many factor and attributes that are not directly related to your MBTI
When I first found MBTI it somehow helped me to ease my anxiety, mainly because I was constantly struggling with the feeling of constant “alienation” and belief “everything i do and I am - is bad, being myself- bad, trying to conform- bad, I’m bad by definition” and gave me the feeling of “I’m just ME, and that’s perfectly okay”…ironically…it probably gave me that feeling because of flattery 😂 At first I idealized mbti a bit, but then I accepted that its just a SLIGHTLY better version of astrology(“at least they ask questions instead of labeling you for your birth date”), and that it could AT BEST give you a rough blurry “perception” of someone’s personality…at the specific period of time…MAYBE Now I just use mbti for fun, for memes…and for helping me feel slightly better about myself 😅 Also it might be fun to use test with your friend so that they could try answering questions while commenting and explaining their choices, which could actually potentially help you know more about them…and maybe laugh at some questions, like “What the hell does it even mean?! How the hell am I supposed to know?” etc
Being French I’ve not seen Mbtp something test for the majority of my life. When it was presented to me 2 years ago I thought : that’s just horoscope but without the planets… I did the test 3 times and I had 3 very different answers each time ( because I couldn’t remember the letters so I had to try again to say what was I) I can’t believe that people nowadays still fall for these traps. Haven’t you read books or went to school ?
East Asia was so behind in this lol. I took this test like 10yrs ago and surprisingly it's a trend now, even in Japan which i am currently living in 😂. Blood thing is boomer now.
I took the test and I am an intp, I looked at the quality’s and apparently I am a misanthrope who has an extremely low emotional intelligence and I struggle to talk with people. None of those are true, I just prefer talking to people I find interesting and like time to myself. Remember that no test can measure your personality.
@aini I think you're an ISTJ most likely. I used to be super into MBTI and also the cognitive functions and their order and meanings. Very interesting stuff. I think a big problem is people often don't know themselves well enough to fill out the tests accurately, the tests themselves aren't accurate, and people often don't want to choose answers they find unflattering or not to their ideal. So actually it may be that other people who know the functions and types well may be able to type them better than they can themselves. Also, people with mental health disorders like borderline/psychopathy/schizophrenia etc esp cluster b seem to really mess up the type results and or break the typology. Thanks for the interesting and fun video!
We did the MBTI for fun back in high school, and after our results the teacher showed the list of careers each personality is suited for. I forget which type it was, but it had nothing but menial, low-paying jobs, and the one person in our class who had that type felt awful. She was a cool person, everybody liked her -- she had all the potential in the world. But here is some fake science BS telling her she's worthless. No kid deserves that. The sooner the MBTI craze ends, the better.
I love personality tests (the actually good ones that are long and thought through) for the lols, tbh. You still need to get to know the person, tho, no matter how well crafted the test is....
This is crazy! I would call myself obsessed with MBTI...I like finding out everyone's type around me... But I'd never use it to find friends, lovers, or work place. INFP(my type) and ISTJ(fiancee's type) are not usually compatible. Luckily I only asked him to take the test once we officially became bf and gf because I didn't want MBTI bias to cloud my judgment. Sure there are some types that typically get along better but any type can potentially get along if both people want to. MBTI is useful to me to understand and solve the conflicts I have with my loved ones and coworkers.
In my experience, mbti has helped me connect better with people, as an introvert who oftentimes blame herself for getting things wrong in matters of relationship. I would say, however, that it should not be a serious basis for everything, personal and professional. Yes, it can aid your social skills and assist you to recognize your strengths and weaknesses, but it shouldn’t be used solely to determine a person’s ability or career path. Who knows, this type can also do that well, only in a different way, right?
In the US, popularity tests had a big boom in the late 90s, early 2000s. I remember doing lots of "tests" in middle school, but I knew not to take them super seriously. There's a funny episode of the Kim Possible cartoon that centers around a silly personality test that I high recommend.
MBTI was first introduced to me in a business course over a decade and a half ago and I'm alarmed by how rapidly it has spread. I always viewed it as a bit of professional fun but it seems to have become a bit warped over time. 😭
as someone who developed somewhat of a hyperfixation/awe with MBTI, i immersed myself so much into it that i could figure out other people's types accurately and quickly; however, i can attest that it is a useless skill. unfortunately, a handful of people in the MBTI community get so swept away with it that they either love or hate certain types, making unreasonable generalizations about them. there are concepts like "golden pairs" between two "perfectly compatible types", which a number of people take seriously. it's no wonder people compare MBTI to astrology. as most of us know, it simply doesn't work like that. i've met countless people with a particular type, and sure, they think similarly and act similarly. but their energy, values and mindset all vary dramatically, and it is these things that matter the most when connecting with others. harnessing your own judgement is a precious asset, and surrendering a huge of chunk of it to a personality system with so many flaws is an insult to yourself and others. people attracted to stuff like MBTI are no doubt trying to find themselves and their place in society (i can confirm), and that is absolutely okay. typology has helped me accept and value my own traits, but it can ironically impede on your own understanding of yourself because of the generalizations and stereotypes placed on each type.
I always wondered why you would see blood type mentioned in anime/manga but never actually searched it up. Always just kind of assumed it was related to health and that it was more commonplace to know that info in case of emergencies. Very interesting!
Are you generally INFJ? honestly, I've taken those test a couple of times and it seems pretty easy to change your personality, especially the later letters, depending on your mood that day lol. I actually was asked to take a MBP test while applying for a US job. I had already known it was pseudoscience at the time and responded as such on the application. Needless to day, I did not get a callback lol. edit: i'm usually labeled as INTP (but I definitely think that of myself and go for answers that get me to that result ;P lol)
no point to work in a company that tries to put people in groups . and at that 16 or something groups lol. It seems company are using this to try and stifle our own image and just make different kinds of cogs in a machine . If you think you belong in an imaginary group then u are more likely to act how that trait group is supposed to act or whatever. The biggest incidence in personality is genetics and environmental factors everything else is possibly irrelevant
This is an affront to science. They took something that applies to a statistical majority and made it a predictive tool for individual people. It's only really good as a gimmick and not much more accurate than horoscopes
As a nerd in the cognitive functions and the whole personality test shenanigans, Limiting yourself to the four letter personality type you got defeats the purpose of...having a personality. Being human is complex and can't be encapsuled so easily. I think MBTI nowadays is best used for fun stuff like dissecting fictional characters because they usually are fixed with a personality to fit in a role inside the story. Doing so with a human just feels like you're turning someone into a character inside a box.
I haven’t done an mbti test in a while but I felt like the descriptions on either sides fit me some says I may feel more extroverted but also introverted
I’m not sure if I can speak for all but most people that took the MBTI test doesn’t take it that seriously. It’s more like a “you might have these tendencies” we can check ourselves with. It’s very well known that the test results change very often and can help in social situations by basically telling people “im the more emotional type” or “im not mad/tired, just shy” without having to say any personal stuff. It’s pretty neat as long as you understand its limitations
literally ! wish people would really get more into typology instead of solely relying on 16p.Even tough its pretty taxing its much better than just going along with 16p results.
Yes, it’s supposed to be a starting point for understanding basic drives, not a whole person entirely. It certainly shouldn’t be used to decide if someone is fit for a job or not.
Though I agree, I do think it’s a good starting point and (even though I haven’t finished the video) it makes sense in conformity and unity cultures that these would become popular for figuring out who one is outside their cultures preferred personalities. As with everything; these should be taken in moderation and with skepticism
@@MicroCheese64 alpha beta omega. lots of lore but, ironically basically what men were using as a personality test no long ago either [i know thats not what it's in reference too but it ironic to me that became it's own personality grouping]
Personality tests may be flawed, but personality itself is a big driver for willingness, enjoyment, and ultimately competency at a job. Sadly those same societies trying to filter on personality traits also demand photos on résumés even for the most faceless back-of-house positions.
@@DisorderedFleshAutomata-sm8cdI failed some grad scheme applications, one was for a role that I ended up in when anyway 18 months later when a recruiter they had paid for to fill some gaps approached me. I failed their test and they paid more to get me 😂 been promoted in that same org since so their test was wrong
In every interview, the interviewer ALWAYS makes judgement about the potential recruits..... MBTI is one of the tools being used to minimize potential conflicts.....
@@noonehere_kasutLove language is pseudo-science, which is probably why it is used by so many people, its new age astrology. Here's a tip on love language, learn to love wisely, you aren't pigeon hole to what the test tell you is your love language since it doesn't give magnitude or weight on each love language, just puts you in a category. You can actually embody the other love languages if you practice, this is the 4P of knowledge. Now as far as attachment style goes, attachment style is one of the life factors that literally affects your whole life outcome/perspective/personality. Attachment style has much stronger correlation than IQ on who you become, and that's saying alot. Saying its a mental health thing, what does that even mean? Isn't everything a mental health thing, or do we get philosophical about metaphysics, ontology and epistemology. But seeing how asian nation treat blood type, and how they lack heavily in learning from any social science or psychology in a meaningful way to fix their culture, I wouldn't be surprised if they would use love language over attachment style, even though scientifically attachment style is much more objectively rooted in empiricism than love language to measure the psyche.
@@henrytep8884 I was just trying to say that attachment theory is often used in the context of talking about mental health, developmental psychology and social science like you mentioned. Those are indeed not topics you'll find being widely discussed in most Asian countries, and your attachment style isn't exactly something you can casually discuss with friends - unlike MBTI/astrology/blood types. I agree with you on love languages. I think it'd be more popular in Asia (or anywhere else tbh) compared to something that actually requires you to think about how your "type" affects your close relationships and others around you, like attachment styles or parenting styles (Something that would probably benefit Asian communities too lol). I find the categories in love languages arbitrary - I don't think it was ever claimed to be grounded in science, but many people do seem to take it that way. Idk anyone would say they are a person who prefers "receiving gifts" over "quality time" with their partners lol. It's nevertheless still a fun quiz that people can bond over and maybe help them think about their personal preferences, more akin to the MBTI and such.
@@McNugge. it’s a pseudoscience because it’s not based off anything and it essentializes the way people should embody love. What does that mean? It means instead of thinking that you have to love in the way a “love language” defines you as, it is better to just love wisely, or love in an agape manner. Love language creates needless category for love, it’s simplifies love in such a manner that it devolves the concept of love and how people should love into a process defined by the love language. It doesn’t even give people room to practice and participate in all forms of love, it just tells you that your love language is this and that’s who you are. It’s pseudoscience that doesn’t do anything to help people love better, or to love wisely, or to participate in love in all facets and manner that one can love.
mbti mainly took over in korea. tbh it’s a good conversation starter to see if ur similar to someone without going into details about ur personality😂 that should be it tho. jobs looking for specific mbti’s is insane
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I swear koreans are being like that wannabe kid who tries too hard to bring back a trend thats already died a decade ago... I remember in lates 2010s people were doing this tests in school for fun, but now due to kwave its all over again and its funny how they take it all so seriously.. for americans it's astrology, for koreans its mbti. Just another way to put people in boxes and make assumptions on them.
And before this it was blood-type, right? In the old days it was family clans. Humans long for a tribal identity of some kind-- I have a simple theory that in societies that are extremely ethnically and culturally homogeneous, people will simply invent something else; new divisions, stratifications, and hierarchy.. it makes me despair how much the human organism seems to crave such partition and prioritization.
In a society where individuation is difficult, people will cling to meaningless superficial signifiers. In East Asia, that might be blood type or MBTI. In the Americas and Europe, it might be conspicuous consumption or astrology
A lot of people believe in 2 ontological motives that influence how humans react to the perception of themselves and the societies around them. 1 being that you want to be apart of something greater than yourself, and the other being to be viewed as special/distinguished. I think this is a product of a culture fueled by consumerism by the capitalist organization of the economy interacting with these ontological motives resulting in a commercialization of personality types.
I mean, I guess I can see the value in asking as a sort of ice breaker, the problem is in taking it too seriously. I remember taking the MBTI for a career counseling class. After we calculated our results, the teacher told us to take about ten minutes to read all of the adjacent descriptions as well and select the one that we _believed_ fit us better. Her reasoning being that while the MBTI had some value, it wasn't flawless and despite our results, we might actually feel that we belonged to a different category. I feel like this makes more sense to me. Rather then having it assigned by some test, you select it. While people don't necessarily have a 100% accurate perception of themselves, I do feel like it says something about you based on which you end up selecting. None of the descriptions were especially negative or positive, so picking your 'personality' sort of suggests what you value in yourself, how you _want_ to be even if its not necessarily how you _are._ Its like horoscopes. I think they are utter nonsense (I see no reason why the position of the stars when you were born would have any effect on who you are), but asking people what they identify with more _does_ tell you a lot about them. Like asking if someone is a dog or a cat person. If they are a dog person then you might assume they are more outgoing and friendly, perhaps better at keeping to a schedule because those are the kinds of traits that dogs most demand. But, if they are more of a cat person then you might ascertain that maybe they prefer to sit inside and watch TV or read a book because cats better facilitate that kind of lifestyle. Its not perfect, but as a quick way of getting a feel for a person, I feel like there's _some_ merit. Basically, I feel like there's more value in how we define or describe _ourselves_ even if we are a little biased versus the results of some test (or the alignment of the stars). Things like horoscopes or the MBTI can be a medium _for_ that description, but they should not be treated as prescriptive or gospel.
I love how you put this! I try to think of these assessments as more of a time to reflect on how you see yourself (even just in that moment/context/situation) and not as a diagnosis of who you are innately.
As an MBTI nerd, that is exactly how you should see MBTI - it's NOT A TEST, it's a typology, and the only way to find the personality that fits you the best is by learning about it and being honest to yourself. The point is to gain more insight and more understanding about not only yourself but also how other people might see or experience the world. MBTI alone absolutely cannot encapsulate the complexity of a person, everyone is different based on a lot of things, but I do think that it provides a very interesting lens to analyze people and behaviours. Also, on a more nerdy note, diving into what's called "cognitive functions" is mandatory if you want to be even remotely relevant in your MBTI analysis. To me, people who claim to be of a certain type, or who believe in the relevancy of MBTI, and don't know about cognitive functions, are just not understanding it at all, and are probably using it in the same way as one would use astrology (hence the comparisons, I guess).
I could literally not fully understand or misinterpret the questions on these tests and get a "wrong" mbti code, and that all of a sudden means other people/companies perceive or view me differently or put me in a different box? Absolutely insane to me. I'm not gonna go and learn 16 different word combos for people to describe themselves as, AND their meaning. People are people with their own unique personalities, not word codes.
THIS PLUUUS what if I took it when I was a teen and then I grow up and my values and views on things shift? What if they label me as extroverted but I'm just a introvert that knows how to socialize or vice versa. Likeee there are so many flaws to the system but ppl are blinded by flattery.
Exactly! One of the biggest problems with these sorts of tests is that they aren’t even replicable in the same person. I took the mbti a couple years ago and got intp, then again a year or so later and got istj. I don’t think my personality completely shifted in that time, just my own perception of it which was reflected in how I answered the questions
@@silasjude662 What you are saying is that you understand questions wrong, not that the test is. I test like twice a year for 7 years and never moved away from INTJ even a single time.
@@Nemausos or you changed as a person, that could also happen. I took the test a couple years back and I got introverted (forget which one), but I took the test again recently, after becoming more social and got ENTP
@@Nemausos It is the test. It has a bad reliability across the bord. That's one of the reasons it's considered unuseful. And your just one person and so your experience would be anecdotal evidence at best. But doing the test so often also makes it a routine for you. Obviously it is easier to get the same results, escpecially if you like your type. So, as a fellow logical thinking INT-Type, I can tell you that it's not any more scientific than zodiac signs. But since I'm a Gemini you shouldn't take my word for it, but just read the Wikipedia page or some scientific papers about it. Non of them have a favorable view on the mbti.
Discovering MBTI during adolescence was crucial for me in developing a sense of identity. As an adult though, I've realized personality does change somewhat and you can't take the MBTI as gospel. It was just a good starting point to figuring out who you are.
Yeah, agreed. But one should also keep in mind that their mbti is not the crystal clear reflection of who they are, hence, they shouldn’t let it entirely define them or restrict them from performing certain activities.
Yes! I've been thinking this exact same thing myself. Like ffs people, any kinds of tests are not set in stone nor are they 100% accurate. Stop taking everything, even already published academic articles which have been peer reviwed as a gospel. Think for yourself.
There's also a lot more to the lore than the basic test descriptions. There's the cognitive functions, the "four sides" concept (in which less common functions can front in certain situations). It's a lot more complex than just "one solid type".
It's a silly test, because it's dependent entirely on your existing self image. It just confirms what you already think about yourself and frames it back to you as a revelation. This is why whenever someone (I'm in the UK) asks me to take the test, it comes out different *because it depends on my mood and thus self image at the time* Absolute hokum.
Phlobotomy made a comeback too. People be reading their noses to define their personality. It's because Gen Z has a severe identity crisis in the face of the internet where there is always an Asian better than you.
Look at acupuncture, almost nothing about it is "scientific" yet the majority of people report positive effects from it. How your psyche works with your physical body is weird
Pseudoscience is convenient, it is easy to absorb for most people. Science is typically difficult and people in general do not like to do difficult stuff.
Confirmation bias is real. Had a friend's sister ask my star sign, when I replied they said, "oh I don't get along well with capricorns". Maybe telling someone you don't know them and don't like them isn't the best way to introduce yourself.
Dude as an astrologer, idk why the money and attention in astrology has been going more to this. Astrology can get very philosophical, it's more about a relationship to life, idk why people have been preferring these generalizations, and have been taking incompatability so personally. Also many in the astrology field have been trying to use astrology to justify avoiding systemic change and it frustrates me so.
I once heard MBTI described as "astrology for self-described intellectuals", and that stuck with me. Btw, Karl Landsteiner was Austrian, not Australian! That blood type personality stuff has some very icky phrenology/eugenics undertones to it.
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Myers Briggs was developed by the ETS a spin off from the American College Board the same group that adapted the original Binet-IQ test to create the L SAT so its even more connected to Eugenics. The goal was to create a "Complete Census of Abilities" that would re-order the entirity of American society among 'Rational' lines but only Myers Briggs got anywhere near a usuable state so the program got abandoned and the ETS' trustees forced it to stay with its original intended remit. There's literally a Gundam villain with the same plan. If the Supreme Court hadn't upheld Lyndon Johnson's 'Affirmitive Action' executive order Eugenecists might have been able to block basically all minorities from American higher education. There's a history book about it called "The Big Test". Carl Jung was a big fan of astrology and personality astrology is essentially a 20th century discipline that postdates Freud's early work on personality and only became popular when newspapers started regularly carrying horoscopes in the 1930s.
My cousin works in HR (no she wouldn't select someone based on that), but she observed people around her happened to land jobs that fit their MBTI ; not an exact science but that would make sense people who declare to be more comfortable in X situation are more likely to naturally gravitate towards it. Now that being said I'm ENFP working in accounting, which is supposed to be one of the worst jobs for my type. I took a personality test for my current job and they gave me the result prior to my interview and was invited to discuss it, if I found it faithful or not. That's how it should be used, as a conversation stater, not to close doors.
Of course, I wished I knew about mbti before choosing my career path. I didn't know myself very well, I tried to do the same thing as my friends were doing, ending up doing something that I did'nt like and that wasn't my thing. Now I can use my creativity and my strong organizational skill in my job and it is perfect.
This sucks :(. Carl Jung is probably rolling in his grave hearing that people are using a shitty, watered-down version of his original work for such important decisions.
Ok actually two years ago I researched a lot about MBTI by influence of a friend and learned about cognitive functions, and is quite fun, like I don't take it literally or think it should be a science, but it's fun to go to personality database and see the discussions about you favorite character's type (I'm INTP btw)
@@confused7970 Apparently it's pretty common for people to neglect the cognitive functions (especially in Korea) and thus they categorize themselves and others incorrectly. They get pretty stereotypical about it... I = introvert E = Extrovert N= Overthinks and is often in their own head S= Doesn't think too much, and just does things F= Feel T= Think P= More passive and can be lazy J= Assertive and goal orientated
Agreed. I'm a psych student and seeing MBTI in my textbook was kind of cool since I enjoyed researching cognitive functions beforehand. In the end, it is a pseuodoscience, but it's still fun to type characters and stuff like that. It absolutely shouldn't be used in interviews.
I agree, they’re fun and a good tool to use for introspection. Like sometimes I read descriptions about my personality and realize I do do some of these things, and would like to change that. But using it like it’s some sort of gospel or as a way to describe someone’s character in an absolute way is definitely taking it too far.
I've always found it frustrating because it asks things like "you prioritize proving your point over preserving someone's feelings" which requires you to imagine the context. Even argumentative people might choose to "preserve" feelings depending on how important the point is, the intensity of the feelings, how stubborn they know the other person to be, how much energy they have on a given day, or any number of important details that are not given. I'm hovering at 50/50 for all the types except Intuitive/observing, i always get intuiting (ironically) even though I can't intuitively guess the contexts of many of the questions.
Are you a child or autistic? Sis you take the test at 2am? Did you even have enough sleep when taking the test? All these things play a huge factor....
Please please do not do the 16Personalities test, it is genuinely not MBTI. Like I'm serious, it states in it's theory section that it's actually OCEAN/BIG5 [still a mockery of it] and that it's - essentially, clickbait. If this is something that you just would find interesting to know, then allow me, a nerd, send you a test that I can at least say is using terms properly. I can't send the link ofc but just look up "Michael Caloz Cognitive Functions test." Even then, it is still just a random internet test, but it will at least show you something about actual MBTI that you might find intriguing.
Exactly. I have a very argumentative personality and instinctively think how to improve something, but I've lived long enough to learn that close 100% of the time one is unable to change anything and the only outcome of even a very constructive argument is going to end in troubles close to every single time. So however frustrated or even angry I may feel about something, I just ignore the problem and follow the herd or when it gets absoluetly unbearable I just quit the situation. Discussions are good at a university or when there is a very small structure tasked with solving a new problem carte blanche, but otherwise it's just trying to smash a concrete wall with your head. I strongly believe that a point is far more important than anyone's feelings, especially since a measure of maturity is to be able to cope with them and admit your mistakes, but I'm not going to upset someone at something as petty as a workplace, unless there would be a much broader and vastly more important reason to take that person down.
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the type B hate in japan reminds me a lot of how people treat certain zodiac signs, especially geminis (my sign), due to the stereotypes attached to them. i remember getting heated about this often because i thought it was ridiculous and i even took it personally at one point (embarrassing, i know). now though i just think that it’s a weird way to try to read people before getting to know them because people who have the same sign (or blood type in this case) don’t act the same anyways
This really feels dystopian. Humans are way more flexible than what some people give us credit for. Starting for a simple question: what happens if I am ambivert? Also, just because you are introverted it does not mean you are socially inept lmao. This companies are over reacting Is in human nature to find fun assigning people to a group according with their personality (zodiac, Hogwarts houses, Percy Jackson's cabins, etc) but there is a limit to everything
i trolled my friends when they were asking about my mbti type, "never heard of it, is it a new horoscope or something? oh its personality type, let me try it" and proceed to choose the answer opposite of what described me, read it and proclaim it is mind blowing really spot on about describing about me
Boy did they go all in on the blood types in korea too, i remember interviews during variety shows back in the day when they would ask about blood types, all the idol profiles would list blood tyoes and horoscopes when nowadays its only the mbti. This lasted well into the mid 2010s, when groups like BLady (girl group of all B types) and B1A4 (5 member boy group, have a guess at their blood types) were debuting. Fun fact, singapore was in on the mbti since the late aughts, because I took my test in school there. They literally had us do it to put us into groups for group projects, to "align personalities and gather diverse strengths". It was wild. And don't get me started on the enneagrams that the US has going on
new gens don't know how prominent blood types were! this is why i kinda like mbti because at least its a questionnaire and not totally arbitrary pseudoscience
I think these tests fall into a broader human need to categorize (and thus simplify) things. They (categories/labels in general) can be useful when they're shown to be accurate, but taking labels of any kind as a be-all-end-all is always a mistake. I wish we could grasp the ideas of normal curves and intersectionality a bit more easily, but there's no denying the amount of time and energy saved by taking prejudiced shortcuts for 80% of the time, at least in the short term.
@@doujinflip even those are still categories. the real truth of who you are is fully is indescribable verbally (you may not even know yourself), so we consolidate that information into the most relevant key "features" someone else might be able to relate to.
@@pramitpratimdas1071 newton's laws work on non-relativistic speeds and masses lol. there' basically approximations of special and general relativity and are based on evidence. MBTI is based on whims and feelings. I'm not saying they're completely useless, but they're pretty close to it and should be treated as reliable as polygraph tests, which is to say, not reliable at all and just a bit of fun.
@@snowballeffect7812 I guess it wasn't the best analogy but MBTI when it was introduced was backed by experts, not a product of whims of random laypeople. Have to keep in mind that psychology isn't like the hard sciences. You are not going to find solid evidence proving x or y theory
I'm gonna say this, and it'll upset a lot of people. The personality test which the majority of people used is the Myers-Briggs, or based on it, is total bs. The test was not scientific-based at all nor the people invented it had any background in science. Psychologist Carl Jung was the first person to propose that people could be divided into 8 types, but later he discarded it deeming that humans are complex creatures and cannot be defined by any stereotype; plus the 8 types were based on him GUESSING. There was no data or controlled experiment involved. Later, mystery novelist and her mother Myers-Briggs found Jung's theory, and came up with their own shit, while adding extra personalities into it to spice things up (8 types to 16). In the beginning, the Myers-Briggs test was something they would use at party for fun, but it became popular in high society, and the rest is history. People are complex. You can be both extrovert and introvert at the same time (maybe not equal amount). For example, a jock football player would be the dominant extrovert in a football game, but throw the same guy into a Hearthstone tournament, and he became the idiot loser of the pack; and the reverse is true for a card game player. Some days you wanna go out and talk to people, and some days you hate everyone. Everyone is an exception to the rule. For these personality tests to say you are one type, and that's it is just plain stupid lol.
Yes, as soon as you look into how, why and by whom the test was created, it's clear that the MBTI is just as bogus as homeopathy, essential oils anf chiropractors.
I remember once taking the test, i was 51% introverted 49% extroverted just a 1% difference actually i don't even think there was a difference but the test has to provide some result and i know people would just totally dismiss that 49% 😂
Theoretically everything is a spectrum. But if you compare MBTI with Big5/OCEAN which is like ✨the✨ standard in psychology right now then you can see some similarities/overlap. The biggest one being extraversion/introversion. So saying that it's like astrology or homeopathy is like comparing medicinal tea to globules. The accuracy and precision of psychology and medicine is a spectrum, too.
Myers briggs isnt perfect but it isn't total bullshit if you research deeper about cognitive functions it is actually a logical system unfortunately most people dont care to research in depth about that stuff
Zodiacs in the west are def just as intense, I’ve seen posts abt roommates listings saying they won’t accept applications for like say a gemini, there are certain negative and positive qualities already associated with certain zodiacs like “Pisces males are the worst”, or “i love libras I always get along with them” I don’t take zodiac seriously myself but I do have my preconceived notions about zodiacs already, I think it’s fun to play into zodiacs but never to actually use it as a serious markers of ones personality, some ppl however live and die by zodiacs
I think zodiacs are most fun AFTER you get to know a person. I thought I wouldn’t get along with Geminis, Leos, Scorpios, or Libras just by the description alone, but guess what signs the majority of my friends ended up having 😂
I feel that Meyer-Briggs is quite inaccurate. I change a couple answers on the test depending on my mood and I change from an ENFP to an ENFJ and sometimes even an INFP. I think the BIG Five is used more frequently by therapists.
The traits are a range and not a binary switch, hence why you might flip when you're near the middle. Big-5 and HEXACO used in real psychology are usually seen as percentages like they're supposed to be.
@@maelydelormeThen you can directly discard INFJ (in bad phases INFJs can rather be misconfused with INTJs, ENFPs is pretty far away from how INFJs internally function). In case you are using 16 Personalities as your test I think it's better you search a better one or read about cognitive functions
The test comes with a percentage of how far you are on the scale of each letter. Most people are quite balanced, so it is definitely possible that some letters change depending on the mood.
The thing is, personality _isn't_ solid. It's constantly changing, even if you don't notice it. All the test does is give you a hazy idea of what your mental state and self-image is like at a particular point in time. Take the test, wait a few days, maybe read a bunch of profoundly tragic novels, and then take the test again - you're not gonna get the same result as before.
I actually like mbti because it's fun, I look at aesthetics and listen to playlists based on diff mbti types. It also makes for an interesting conversation starter. But where "compatibility" and job opportunities are concerned is where I draw the line.
@@stefany6097agreed. Welp, most people stop at the free test by 16p and don’t bother to research further. 16p is fine as a fun one-off personality test but if someone is actually trying to discover their personality they should research more and discover that mbti is more than these 4 letter combis
There’s nothing wrong with personality tests to try to understand yourself or others better. Taking them too far, as with any tool, is going to be bad, of course. They certainly can’t tell you if someone is fit for a job or not.
This is such an obsession in Asia right now! It became an obsession in the West out of nowhere when I was doing it for fun for many years.. now.. Asia has taken it to a whole new level. I had friends from Asia stop being my friend when they heard I was an INFP.. and I don't put where I am anywhere! Only answer if I am asked!
The West had a different outlook compared to Asia so ofc I don't blame them for saying mbti being biased and inaccurate, personality test are not meant to be realistic. The only one that is correct is OCEAN. I try that test twice, I got INTP at first until my last is INTJ. The mbti one... I have hate-love relationship with it. I love to look in all different perspective and opinions but seeing Koreans taking it too far kinda terrified me. One personality label in all work forces?? Human complexity is a whole another new level, I could tell psychology field in Korea is not their main thing at all Second hand embarrassment
@@heavenlysadist Even if it's accurate, how can you predict what a person with specific result is going to do in a specific situation? It depends on their perception, judgement, state of knowledge and current motivation. Personality has little to do with it especially since most adults, especially those who are at least moderately succesful, have the ability to ignore their preferences and do what appears to be best based on their knowledge and how they see the problem they're facing. Whatever personality, a 100/100 people is going to run away from a poisonous snake, unless they fail to notice it's presence.
I spoke with a Psychology Doctor (title) at my university. He said that with modern findings, the MBTI personality test is both academically floored, and mathematically (if you look at statistics) floored. Firstly, everyone has in them minimal parts of other personality types present at the same time. Depending on the stimulus, even those can be triggered. Secondly, "personality", according to him, is a ratio and proportion of four drives (see Dr. Adam Crizzle) and even similar people will be different. Finally, everyone is quite different, and to reduce millions of people to a couple of categories is mathematically inprecise and ignorant.
MBTI is a skewed and flawed psychological measurement it was mentioned during my collegiate years as somewhat a shitty tool since it did not meet the 3 criterias (reliability validity verifiability). This phenomena where east asia specifically S.Kores is obssessed with knowing their types is called the barnum effect where vague descriptions are deemed true regardless of its value. In general this leads to a false perception on people about personality. What I have learned in psychology is that personality is like jelly or ditto from pokemon. It varies depending through nature and nurture.
MBTI is not supposed to describe a person entirely, it should be seen as a general pattern of preferred behaviours a person usually has. And if you delve a bit more into it, all 16 personalities do have flaws, weaknesses, very annoying cons, and are clearly distinct from one another, so I don't believe it solely relies on Barnum effect.
@ww_artemis its a textbook pseudo science my guy. They are intentionally broad the same way horoscopes are so they pretty much fit everyone, what youll notice is depending on the day who you're hanging out with youll express and different parts of your personality. Which is why these tests are like a horoscope, not too mention that through out your life depending on your experiences your personality changes. This is coming from someone thats taken like 4 or 5 psychology courses and had planed on getting a major psychology.
@@Name.......... The 16 personality website and the "test" is trash yep, they have things to sell so it's more of a marketing tool, but the theory behind it is really interesting though it should rather be seen as an analysis tool that presents people in a particular lens, not boxes in which you should shove every person.
Demanding reliability for a personality test is, in itself, a degenerate thing to begin with. Personality changes over time, more or less. That's like saying depression scaling tests are unreliable because you may recover over time..... DUH just take it again?😂
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I think a lot of people get super into it because of Jung's theory on the cognitive functions. It's really interesting. Myers Brigs just monetized his ideas to make types and tests.
No, because I was in Korea and went clubbing and a guy approached me and asked what my mbti was. I told him I don't know and he looked at me like I was the insane one, when he talked about personality types in a crowded club 😂
I dont even know what MBTI i am because two diff websites gives me diff results. And even for the questions, like : "Do you regularly make new friends?" I have to ponder to what degree do I consider someone a friend. And at that point, it's just unanswerable and I have to give a neutral answer because I cant properly give a correct answer.
Because these tests use the term "MBTI" while not being at all actually MBTI. As the reply above said, MBTI is based on cognitive functions. If it's something that interests you, a good place to start or just to see more accurate information, is searching up "Michael Caloz Cognitive Functions test" It's still a random internet test, but at least it knows what terms it's using and tries to explain them to you. Hopefully it satisfies you a bit more lol
"Technically you would know best about what you want and what you're good at" Have you ever talked to a teenager, or even the average adult for more than 5 minutes? People don't know shit about themselves.
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I don’t think mbti is intended to be a personality type. Often people don’t DIG DEEPER INTO THE ACTUAL THING. Carl Jung first invented the theory not by dichotomy but by cognitive functions to identify the *tendency* on how one’s *cognition* works. This means an infj can be both nice and an absolute jerk (ahem, Jesus and the-German-who-must-not-be-named) not because of their personalities but how they think (like resorting to unhealthy external sensations like stress eating or excessive sleeping when stressed). In this manner, it is a more reasonable *general* categorization than simply E or I, S or N, T or F, P or J. Personality is much more nuanced and extremely difficult to measure so one should not always go the easy path. I do think that this is a step above astrology which is a fixed assignment of “personality” since to identify their cognitive functions, one must reflect on how they work the least subjective manner possible. This is most definitely not science nor is it exactly pseudoscience, but simply a method of cognitive categorizing.
Its not good when people become obsessed with typology and tie everything they say or hear back to typology in place of psychology and this happens every time in all typology circles so its an over all net negative and should he abandonded
Aini, here in my country South Africa does that too. I'm an ISTJ...the #1 MBTI that majority of companies, elite universities & scholarships refuse to employ & fund in my country. They believe that ISTJ individuals are too strong-willed, crave justice & hate the patriarchal capitalist system & yearn to dismantle it! 😂😂😂
I was obsessively into mbti and especially the cognitive functions as a young teenager. i'm autistic, and it definitely gave me a framework for understanding other people's perspectives and priorities in a way that was extremely helpful as someone who struggled with strangers, empathy, and socialization. while i'm no longer attached to the mbti (it is a pseudoscience, and deeply flawed) i still sometimes process the world through cognitive functions to a degree. i've often been in arguments with a person where I realized that, say, I was prioritizing a logical internal order (Ti) where they were prioritizing an external order (Te), or that someone was very good at understanding and accounting for the emotions of others (Fe) but struggled with introspection and understanding their own emotions (Fi) and defining these tendencies through cognitive functions has been helpful to me in recognizing and responding to differences between people
as a ENTP, it pisses me off so much when people call it a personality test, IT IS NOT THAT!! ANY TEST YOU TAKE WILL BE WRONG, THEY RELY ONLY ON STEREOTYPES AND USE NONE OF THE COGNITIVE FUNCTIONS!!
MBTI is so funny to me, because I have, out of pure curiosity, taken it a few times. And every time I take it, it gives me a different personality. The only thing that pretty much stays the same is my introvertedness. XD
I've known about mbti for a while. From what i've learnt, it's better to take a cognitive functions test and avoid 16personalities, which is unfortunately more commonly known. Once you know your cognitive functions, you use them simply as a guide. It can be helpful when writing or understanding fictional characters
Nothing wrong with 16p. It is simple and great to start. If you have great introspection you will not be mistyped. My type never changed for many years even though I took it many times. People who are mistyped, answer the question with having their ideal self in mind or try to get that one type they want to get.
@@emilytchuu9876 tbh i think 16p is at this point its own theory, its just that this theory uses the 'mbti' name and so does another one, it gets confusing for people just starting out
@@emilytchuu9876 I agree that it's a starting point. However, IIRC, a huge problem with 16p is that its questions were vague/didnt do much How one thinks. Ex: "I am never late to appointments" vs "I regularly plan out my day and stick to the plan"
The introvert/extrovert is not the same Carl Jung’s introvert/extrovert. The Myers Briggs or MBTI was based on Carl Jung’s work but is functionally different . I have the social skills to be a MBTI extrovert but am a Jungian introvert.
It's one thing to prefer a type of person or personality over another depending on what the work is. It's another thing to activativly discriminate based on that. It's not the same thing as experience and skills, which are the only things an employer should discriminate based on.
personality tests, zodiacs, and even tarot all serve the same sort of function for me of being a tool for reflection and a kind of meditation - but I always make sure to keep in mind that none of it is solid fact. When I was much younger I would cling to these kinds of things because I desperately wanted simple, clean-cut answers to myself and I think wanting to sort ourselves into little boxes is a very natural thing for young people to want to do. I just wish instead of things being seen as black and white ("thing bad" VS "thing good"), people would see it more of an issue of HOW it's used. One positive is something I spoke with my friend about recently about another mutual friend of ours - we've all known each other since we were young and our friend is naturally very shy but now has a profession where she needs to be much more extroverted. A few years ago she got really into crystals, tarot, zodiac stuff, etc - and while it's a little silly at times she really used embracing herself as being a leo to take traits of herself that already within the leo archetype and use those to push herself into being an over all more "leo" version of herself. She didn't completely change her personality, but she used the mindset "I'm a leo" to slowly grow into a more outgoing, confident version of herself that she wanted to be and she's struggling a lot less now. I only started learning about these things through her and while I don't believe it, Ive used star signs (and the concept of sun, venus, and rising signs all existing in one person) too to embrace parts of my personality I've struggled with and helped me adopt a mindset that different, clashing facets of myself can exist in harmony. But of course, if the beginning and end of your understanding of yourself and others are only these things and you see people as static instead of constantly changing and evolving, that's an extremely limiting and potentially dangerous view of humanity as a whole.
i took the test a while back, discussed it with my friends who also took it in a casual conversation, looked up which fictional characters shared my type and forgot about it i never thought of it as something serious, that affects work and relationship and i find this seriousness around it to be super silly, like it's just a funny personality test, it's like taking horoscopes seriously 😅
It is definitely true that you shouldn't put too much weight on the MBTI. It is especially worrying, if e.g., businesses start declining applicants based on their MBTI. Personally I've found MBTI to be a useful framework for analysing your own thinking patterns. While it can be considered to be pseudoscience, it's also interesting to observe that e.g., an INFP is extremely unlikely to mistype as an ESTJ, if they answer the questions anywhere close to truth. It's an useful tool that can be considered, if you're having a hard time understanding the thinking patterns of say your boss. Ask them their type, if it's counter to yours - it'll be easier to understand why their logic doesn't follow yours. For example if they rely more on hard logic, while you're a feeler, you might want to present your ideas in a way that comes off more as logic based rather than feeling. tldr: mbti can be a useful tool, if not taken too seriously and more as a guideline'ish thingy
the saddest part is that when i try to explain to my friends about cognitive functions and enneagram they ignore me because they want to keep their INFJ labels. My friend has so much Si-Te it's hard to ignore, but they think they are INFJ, and they started this INFX group chat without me just because i am ENTP.
You're just exchanging one pseudoscience for another. The enneagram system is based in old mysticism and is no more accurate a model of the human psyche than horoscopes or MBTI. That said, it sounds like this "friend" of yours would be a poor friend with or without made-up personality types - a personality test just happens to be the mechanism by which they are excluding you. If I were you, I'd take a good long look at that relationship and reevaluate whether it has a positive or negative effect on your life.
i feel this! I have a friend who wants to be an infp 4w5 so badly even thought she literally fits e6 or e3 more 😭 i really wish they didn’t act like having Te Fe or Si was such a bad thing or that enneagram 4 is the only good type and the others suck. I use to have this mentality too before coming to terms with the fact I am an ISFJ but it can be rather lonely waiting for my friends to move out of this intuitive bias phase. I honestly blame 16personalities.
Even Carl Jung himself, who found the term extraverted and introverted, explained that this is only a simplistic way to explain to the layman the tendencies of what was happening to the unconscious and shouldn't be taken literally. Greedy psychologists erroneously politicized and monetized this. Creating a new reality that is harmful for individual because it hinders them from understanding themselves. Addressing one's persona as oneself only causes neurosis in the long run. But if you realize this and take MBTI just for fun, that's fine.
I've been mbti typology/mbti for 6 years. The main issue is that it doesn't define you at work. Another issue is that most people keep using bad quizzes / websites such as 16personality and truity instead of actually using the cognitive functions to judge.
It's crazy how many people don't know how to answer "Who am I?". They don't have an identity yet. Also, the Internet can really throw gasoline on the identity question as well
I honestly feel MBTI is useful for fictional stuff like a base for writing characters, it should not be something people should take at face value in real life (especially in stuff like job applications). Even if MBTI was 100 personalities instead of 16, its accuracy will still be dubious as humans are complex and cannot be fit into a clean box.
@@keithparker1346 well.... yes, actually. Talking with people in real life,it's very obvious that there's a lot of nuance, even two people who can both be described as "bright and Cheerful " , can be very different from each other.
MBTI are used in a lot of job applications without people realizing too, its used to essentially filter out the "undesirables"( People with disabilities, introverts, etc etc.) so businesses can say they aren't being discriminatory
mbti is also so unpredictable and changes with time! I took it once out of curiosity, and then again when a friend asked what it was and I’d forgotten. I got two different types. Imagine if the first time I’d gotten one that was “prohibited” for a job opportunity and the second time around it was one allowed😭
Not just east asia, IT companies in Europe (and I'd guess the US as well) are making engineers do this nonsense, I once got through CV screening and technical assignment which I aced, they made me do some sort of IQ test which I also aced (scored in top 1%) and then made me do a personality test and rejected me based on that, actual insanity
Mbti became bigger and gained more interest during the pandemic. During this time we were all mostly isolated and didn't have much human contact and alot of us lost touch of reality. It was hard to define ourselves in such a time as we rarely recieved validation or dislike regarding our traits nor met people who were different from us and in such a time the simple four letter system did give us security regarding ourselves despite it's rather shallow nature
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Hello, maybe you won't see this, but I had to say it anyway. MBTI is deeper than just 16p. The people that bash it don't do their research or only do it surface level and bring the 16p form of MBTI. This is actually infuriating and sad, and I'm sick of it. It's always the "MBTI is bad, how dare you put people in a box" thing and never the fact that it's for understanding yourself and others. While I agree that it shouldn't be used to hire people, it just sounds like you're on the hate train. Sorry if I offended you. You don't actually have to care about this, it's just my opinion.
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Thanks for your trip story. I once thought I’d pass a silent fart in class and ended up doing a loud, long cheek slapper. That keeps me up at night.. 😢
How to write a horoscope/personality test:
Say something, then immediately take it back.
Example: "You're organized, but sometime don't care to order things."
« You love books but you’re illiterate »
@@alexterieur8813 me 😭
You claim to have read all of the books in your massive collection, and use that to leverage yourself into the lives of people far more intelligent than you, yet you don't even know how to read at all.
You're a poopy pants but would never poop your pants?
You love desserts, but you often despise sweets
"I only hang out with Ravenclaw and Slytherin types. Hufflepuff and Griffyndor types need not apply"
Ok Voldemort
Owh man, I guess we can't hang out after all. Sorry blud
The sorting hat put me in slytherin due to a policy of deVoldification. Can we not generallize about these things?
@@hypothalapotamus5293 Nice try, Tom Riddle.
Phew, I'm glad about that one
MBTI is just astrology for business majors. Personality is far more complex than any test can meaningfully measure. Don't get fooled into adopting it as a way of viewing yourself and others
Also, if it helps you to shake off its influence, Carl Jung (the Swiss psychiatrist who founded personality testing as we see it now) also believed that no personality could be measured with such crude instruments
Also the MBTI test was NOT made by college educated people.
I agree. At most, if we don't take it as completely correct and as a way to compare ourselves to it, we can get an idea of our habits and tendencies. But we also need to observe ourselves and self reflect instead of something else doing it for us
And the thing is true personality tests also test the veracity of your answers. This mbti test is only around 100 questions and take your answers as facts, very easy to manipulate
It does though have measurable correlation with the Big-5 and HEXACO used in actual psychology, unlike say the Western and Chinese zodiacs which can be better explained by the worldly experiences of a cohort who just happen to be born that year or in that stage in the academic calendar.
yup there was studies where people who took the test got a different result taking it again 5 minutes later.
it's bull based on how we feel in the moment and perceive ourselves, which depends on our self awareness and changes often
All the personality type nerds know that mbti is shit, and learning cognitive functions provides more nuance. At least it acknowledges that people cannot simply be introverts or extroverts, it's always tied to a perceiving and judging function. You are not a T or an F, an S or an N, you're capable of all of it. It's just a matter of which one is extroverted and introverted, what axis you prioritize, and in what order. I'm not claiming this is the 'real' thing that can define who you are, but it is definitely more helpful in understanding bits and pieces of your behavior compared to mbti that merely relies on stereotypes. Either way, this whole thing shouldn't be used by corporations to hire or dismiss certain type of people, that's just dumb.
MBTI itself isnt a bad thing. It's the fact that people take the assesements too literally. My motto for most things in life is to take everything with a grain of salt. I'd recommend this for everybody else as well...
The problem is people never get into cognitive functions because, just as this video presents, they keep showing the damn 16personalities test. When... the site itself says it's not MBTI in it's theory section!! [It's actually akin to OCEAN, though still a mockery of it...] It's incredibly frustrating. Cognitive Functions are not as shallow or strict as everything presents MBTI to be. East Asia is such a bad driver of this.
@@SoggycereaI16p MBTI sucks and it resulted in the Astrology Big Five edition that became popular, while most people don't even know what are cognitive functions or maybe even read anything that Carl Jung ever wrote except maybe the shadow concept. At the same time i think that most people wouldn't understand the Function system or just not have patience to understand it so i kind of get how 16p became more popular.
I think the problem with psychology at large is that it's trying to explain how it works; the most complicated known computer which logic structure we don't know and we may never be able to replicate, while not having any means to objectively measure what is happening inside it.
Therefore, having a monkey randomly hit one of 16 buttons would be just as accurate as MBTI, and so is entire psychology. It's just a monkey sitting in front of more buttons.
@@piotrmalewski8178 It's a theory for a reason. People who blindly follow "ANYTHING" are fucking stupid.
Specifically people in korea and not koreans in general, theyre really into mbti and blood type. My parents generations mbti was blood type. They say each blood types have their own type of personalities. Now its mbti. It's annoying because they ask "are you a f or t" where t is "bad". So they ask something like "i hit my head while jumping in the car" and if say "are you okay" you're a f and if you ask "why did you jump in the car?"you're a t. Its such a naive way of viewing peoples judgment.
At least MBTI makes direct generalisations about the person's personality and as such actually TRIES to meaningfully describe the person. Blood types tho...
Being a psychology student, i often find these video essays about the effect of the same phenomenon on different cultures :3
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I remember watching asian dramas with my mom as a kid and seeing a kdrama teaser focused on blood type B. Specifically hating people with B type blood. The teaser was the female lead saying that she will never fall for blood type B for all the reasons discussed in the video. Since I was a kid, I was so scared to find out my blood type because I didn't want to be type B and be hated just for having that blood type.
Many people are also mistyped because the actual MBTI model includes cognitive functions - which does not reflect in the 16 personality test. The test contains really stupid questions too. Personally, I think there is some truth to MBTI, but there are still many factor and attributes that are not directly related to your MBTI
2:29 using the ISTJ instrumental to introduce the impact of MBTI in South Korea is just so good
When I first found MBTI it somehow helped me to ease my anxiety, mainly because I was constantly struggling with the feeling of constant “alienation” and belief “everything i do and I am - is bad, being myself- bad, trying to conform- bad, I’m bad by definition” and gave me the feeling of “I’m just ME, and that’s perfectly okay”…ironically…it probably gave me that feeling because of flattery 😂
At first I idealized mbti a bit, but then I accepted that its just a SLIGHTLY better version of astrology(“at least they ask questions instead of labeling you for your birth date”), and that it could AT BEST give you a rough blurry “perception” of someone’s personality…at the specific period of time…MAYBE
Now I just use mbti for fun, for memes…and for helping me feel slightly better about myself 😅
Also it might be fun to use test with your friend so that they could try answering questions while commenting and explaining their choices, which could actually potentially help you know more about them…and maybe laugh at some questions, like “What the hell does it even mean?! How the hell am I supposed to know?” etc
Being French I’ve not seen Mbtp something test for the majority of my life. When it was presented to me 2 years ago I thought : that’s just horoscope but without the planets…
I did the test 3 times and I had 3 very different answers each time ( because I couldn’t remember the letters so I had to try again to say what was I)
I can’t believe that people nowadays still fall for these traps. Haven’t you read books or went to school ?
Great video!
Just a comment, 13:26, Karl Landsteiner was Austrian. Like the TShirts say, "no kangaroos in Austria".
I think you are an ISFJ; I LOOVE your voice is so calming and you made this topic wayy more interesting, I really liked the video
East Asia was so behind in this lol. I took this test like 10yrs ago and surprisingly it's a trend now, even in Japan which i am currently living in 😂. Blood thing is boomer now.
I took the test and I am an intp, I looked at the quality’s and apparently I am a misanthrope who has an extremely low emotional intelligence and I struggle to talk with people. None of those are true, I just prefer talking to people I find interesting and like time to myself. Remember that no test can measure your personality.
I love the use of NCT Dream ISTJ. Little details like this make me enjoy your videos.
@aini I think you're an ISTJ most likely. I used to be super into MBTI and also the cognitive functions and their order and meanings. Very interesting stuff. I think a big problem is people often don't know themselves well enough to fill out the tests accurately, the tests themselves aren't accurate, and people often don't want to choose answers they find unflattering or not to their ideal. So actually it may be that other people who know the functions and types well may be able to type them better than they can themselves. Also, people with mental health disorders like borderline/psychopathy/schizophrenia etc esp cluster b seem to really mess up the type results and or break the typology. Thanks for the interesting and fun video!
We did the MBTI for fun back in high school, and after our results the teacher showed the list of careers each personality is suited for. I forget which type it was, but it had nothing but menial, low-paying jobs, and the one person in our class who had that type felt awful. She was a cool person, everybody liked her -- she had all the potential in the world. But here is some fake science BS telling her she's worthless. No kid deserves that.
The sooner the MBTI craze ends, the better.
I love personality tests (the actually good ones that are long and thought through) for the lols, tbh.
You still need to get to know the person, tho, no matter how well crafted the test is....
This is crazy! I would call myself obsessed with MBTI...I like finding out everyone's type around me...
But I'd never use it to find friends, lovers, or work place. INFP(my type) and ISTJ(fiancee's type) are not usually compatible. Luckily I only asked him to take the test once we officially became bf and gf because I didn't want MBTI bias to cloud my judgment.
Sure there are some types that typically get along better but any type can potentially get along if both people want to.
MBTI is useful to me to understand and solve the conflicts I have with my loved ones and coworkers.
Ay, the production value and editing of your channel and videos improved a lot. Keep doing what you do!
In my experience, mbti has helped me connect better with people, as an introvert who oftentimes blame herself for getting things wrong in matters of relationship. I would say, however, that it should not be a serious basis for everything, personal and professional. Yes, it can aid your social skills and assist you to recognize your strengths and weaknesses, but it shouldn’t be used solely to determine a person’s ability or career path. Who knows, this type can also do that well, only in a different way, right?
In the US, popularity tests had a big boom in the late 90s, early 2000s. I remember doing lots of "tests" in middle school, but I knew not to take them super seriously. There's a funny episode of the Kim Possible cartoon that centers around a silly personality test that I high recommend.
MBTI was first introduced to me in a business course over a decade and a half ago and I'm alarmed by how rapidly it has spread. I always viewed it as a bit of professional fun but it seems to have become a bit warped over time. 😭
as someone who developed somewhat of a hyperfixation/awe with MBTI, i immersed myself so much into it that i could figure out other people's types accurately and quickly; however, i can attest that it is a useless skill.
unfortunately, a handful of people in the MBTI community get so swept away with it that they either love or hate certain types, making unreasonable generalizations about them. there are concepts like "golden pairs" between two "perfectly compatible types", which a number of people take seriously. it's no wonder people compare MBTI to astrology.
as most of us know, it simply doesn't work like that. i've met countless people with a particular type, and sure, they think similarly and act similarly. but their energy, values and mindset all vary dramatically, and it is these things that matter the most when connecting with others. harnessing your own judgement is a precious asset, and surrendering a huge of chunk of it to a personality system with so many flaws is an insult to yourself and others.
people attracted to stuff like MBTI are no doubt trying to find themselves and their place in society (i can confirm), and that is absolutely okay. typology has helped me accept and value my own traits, but it can ironically impede on your own understanding of yourself because of the generalizations and stereotypes placed on each type.
I always wondered why you would see blood type mentioned in anime/manga but never actually searched it up. Always just kind of assumed it was related to health and that it was more commonplace to know that info in case of emergencies. Very interesting!
The competition in East Asia is insane so makes sense that criteria has to get increasingly nuanced.
Are you generally INFJ? honestly, I've taken those test a couple of times and it seems pretty easy to change your personality, especially the later letters, depending on your mood that day lol. I actually was asked to take a MBP test while applying for a US job. I had already known it was pseudoscience at the time and responded as such on the application. Needless to day, I did not get a callback lol.
edit: i'm usually labeled as INTP (but I definitely think that of myself and go for answers that get me to that result ;P lol)
no point to work in a company that tries to put people in groups . and at that 16 or something groups lol. It seems company are using this to try and stifle our own image and just make different kinds of cogs in a machine .
If you think you belong in an imaginary group then u are more likely to act how that trait group is supposed to act or whatever.
The biggest incidence in personality is genetics and environmental factors everything else is possibly irrelevant
This is an affront to science. They took something that applies to a statistical majority and made it a predictive tool for individual people. It's only really good as a gimmick and not much more accurate than horoscopes
Study the cognitive functions
As a nerd in the cognitive functions and the whole personality test shenanigans, Limiting yourself to the four letter personality type you got defeats the purpose of...having a personality. Being human is complex and can't be encapsuled so easily. I think MBTI nowadays is best used for fun stuff like dissecting fictional characters because they usually are fixed with a personality to fit in a role inside the story.
Doing so with a human just feels like you're turning someone into a character inside a box.
I haven’t done an mbti test in a while but I felt like the descriptions on either sides fit me some says I may feel more extroverted but also introverted
I’m not sure if I can speak for all but most people that took the MBTI test doesn’t take it that seriously. It’s more like a “you might have these tendencies” we can check ourselves with.
It’s very well known that the test results change very often and can help in social situations by basically telling people “im the more emotional type” or “im not mad/tired, just shy” without having to say any personal stuff.
It’s pretty neat as long as you understand its limitations
yessirrrrr mbti belongs to the PDB of fictional characters alone
literally ! wish people would really get more into typology instead of solely relying on 16p.Even tough its pretty taxing its much better than just going along with 16p results.
@@1004ism Yeah, if ya care to put in the time to understand, you do so. If you don't, you don't, and so be it, thus is life 😭
it's a lazy and uncouth way to view people, besides being inacurate. just take the time to get to know someone deeply, there are no shortcuts for this
Yes, it’s supposed to be a starting point for understanding basic drives, not a whole person entirely. It certainly shouldn’t be used to decide if someone is fit for a job or not.
its the “ online profile syndrome”. all your traits become categorized
Though I agree, I do think it’s a good starting point and (even though I haven’t finished the video) it makes sense in conformity and unity cultures that these would become popular for figuring out who one is outside their cultures preferred personalities. As with everything; these should be taken in moderation and with skepticism
its prevalent in “hive minded” social groups, trends are followed. asians tend to think like this as they’re group-thinkers.
This is a very Asian mindset
My MBTI: IDK 🤷🏻♂️
My blood type: Red
I feel sorry for your local blood bank 💀
lol. Tho Japan could actually make you prove your type. At least in Korea you can lie
@@dearthditch LOL "Only MBTI with the letter E" like I can't just pretend I'm an entp
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You're my spirit animal bro I also have no idea what either of mine are lol
I am very ashamed to admit that when I hear ABO, blood type is NOT the first thing that comes to mind
oof... that makes at least two of us
I’m afraid to ask what that is…
@@MicroCheese64 alpha beta omega. lots of lore but, ironically basically what men were using as a personality test no long ago either [i know thats not what it's in reference too but it ironic to me that became it's own personality grouping]
I blame Lindsay Ellis for this forbidden knowledge.
Does it have anything to do with fanfictions?
My personality type is IDGAF
IBGHTP 7x5^6 then, I see.
You’re fired.
Epik High cooked with that line 🔥
So....Scorpio?
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Ummmm... uhhh... Introvert, determined, good, admirable, and fun?
Imagine judging people from their personality test. Especially when doing a job interview, we'll never be able to work for a company 🤣🤣
Personality tests may be flawed, but personality itself is a big driver for willingness, enjoyment, and ultimately competency at a job. Sadly those same societies trying to filter on personality traits also demand photos on résumés even for the most faceless back-of-house positions.
@@DisorderedFleshAutomata-sm8cdI failed some grad scheme applications, one was for a role that I ended up in when anyway 18 months later when a recruiter they had paid for to fill some gaps approached me. I failed their test and they paid more to get me 😂 been promoted in that same org since so their test was wrong
@@doujinflip ????
Personality is your perspective on life formed by experiences and understandings alongside your innate psychological function
@@doujinflip They will have a heart attack when they find out some police departments in America make your take an IQ test 😂
In every interview, the interviewer ALWAYS makes judgement about the potential recruits..... MBTI is one of the tools being used to minimize potential conflicts.....
Just wait until Asia learns about attachment style. Myers Briggs is so 2000.
Attachment styles is more of a mental health thing - I don't think it'll take off in Asia lol
Love languages maybe??
@@noonehere_kasutLove language is pseudo-science, which is probably why it is used by so many people, its new age astrology. Here's a tip on love language, learn to love wisely, you aren't pigeon hole to what the test tell you is your love language since it doesn't give magnitude or weight on each love language, just puts you in a category. You can actually embody the other love languages if you practice, this is the 4P of knowledge. Now as far as attachment style goes, attachment style is one of the life factors that literally affects your whole life outcome/perspective/personality. Attachment style has much stronger correlation than IQ on who you become, and that's saying alot. Saying its a mental health thing, what does that even mean? Isn't everything a mental health thing, or do we get philosophical about metaphysics, ontology and epistemology. But seeing how asian nation treat blood type, and how they lack heavily in learning from any social science or psychology in a meaningful way to fix their culture, I wouldn't be surprised if they would use love language over attachment style, even though scientifically attachment style is much more objectively rooted in empiricism than love language to measure the psyche.
@@henrytep8884 I was just trying to say that attachment theory is often used in the context of talking about mental health, developmental psychology and social science like you mentioned. Those are indeed not topics you'll find being widely discussed in most Asian countries, and your attachment style isn't exactly something you can casually discuss with friends - unlike MBTI/astrology/blood types.
I agree with you on love languages. I think it'd be more popular in Asia (or anywhere else tbh) compared to something that actually requires you to think about how your "type" affects your close relationships and others around you, like attachment styles or parenting styles (Something that would probably benefit Asian communities too lol). I find the categories in love languages arbitrary - I don't think it was ever claimed to be grounded in science, but many people do seem to take it that way. Idk anyone would say they are a person who prefers "receiving gifts" over "quality time" with their partners lol. It's nevertheless still a fun quiz that people can bond over and maybe help them think about their personal preferences, more akin to the MBTI and such.
@@henrytep8884 How is love language pseudo science?
What do you even mean by that?
@@McNugge. it’s a pseudoscience because it’s not based off anything and it essentializes the way people should embody love. What does that mean? It means instead of thinking that you have to love in the way a “love language” defines you as, it is better to just love wisely, or love in an agape manner. Love language creates needless category for love, it’s simplifies love in such a manner that it devolves the concept of love and how people should love into a process defined by the love language. It doesn’t even give people room to practice and participate in all forms of love, it just tells you that your love language is this and that’s who you are. It’s pseudoscience that doesn’t do anything to help people love better, or to love wisely, or to participate in love in all facets and manner that one can love.
mbti mainly took over in korea. tbh it’s a good conversation starter to see if ur similar to someone without going into details about ur personality😂 that should be it tho. jobs looking for specific mbti’s is insane
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People are already too judgmental, don't need to add pseudoscience into the mix.
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korea has a tendency to take things too far. i wonder how much they're going to let feminism ruin their country even more.
I swear koreans are being like that wannabe kid who tries too hard to bring back a trend thats already died a decade ago... I remember in lates 2010s people were doing this tests in school for fun, but now due to kwave its all over again and its funny how they take it all so seriously.. for americans it's astrology, for koreans its mbti. Just another way to put people in boxes and make assumptions on them.
And before this it was blood-type, right? In the old days it was family clans. Humans long for a tribal identity of some kind-- I have a simple theory that in societies that are extremely ethnically and culturally homogeneous, people will simply invent something else; new divisions, stratifications, and hierarchy.. it makes me despair how much the human organism seems to crave such partition and prioritization.
The children yearn for a caste system
In a society where individuation is difficult, people will cling to meaningless superficial signifiers. In East Asia, that might be blood type or MBTI. In the Americas and Europe, it might be conspicuous consumption or astrology
And in some parts, it’s being sorted into your “Hogwarts House”.
A lot of people believe in 2 ontological motives that influence how humans react to the perception of themselves and the societies around them. 1 being that you want to be apart of something greater than yourself, and the other being to be viewed as special/distinguished. I think this is a product of a culture fueled by consumerism by the capitalist organization of the economy interacting with these ontological motives resulting in a commercialization of personality types.
Yeah, as if we don't invent stupid stuff that divides us in the West too.
I mean, I guess I can see the value in asking as a sort of ice breaker, the problem is in taking it too seriously. I remember taking the MBTI for a career counseling class. After we calculated our results, the teacher told us to take about ten minutes to read all of the adjacent descriptions as well and select the one that we _believed_ fit us better. Her reasoning being that while the MBTI had some value, it wasn't flawless and despite our results, we might actually feel that we belonged to a different category. I feel like this makes more sense to me. Rather then having it assigned by some test, you select it. While people don't necessarily have a 100% accurate perception of themselves, I do feel like it says something about you based on which you end up selecting. None of the descriptions were especially negative or positive, so picking your 'personality' sort of suggests what you value in yourself, how you _want_ to be even if its not necessarily how you _are._
Its like horoscopes. I think they are utter nonsense (I see no reason why the position of the stars when you were born would have any effect on who you are), but asking people what they identify with more _does_ tell you a lot about them. Like asking if someone is a dog or a cat person. If they are a dog person then you might assume they are more outgoing and friendly, perhaps better at keeping to a schedule because those are the kinds of traits that dogs most demand. But, if they are more of a cat person then you might ascertain that maybe they prefer to sit inside and watch TV or read a book because cats better facilitate that kind of lifestyle. Its not perfect, but as a quick way of getting a feel for a person, I feel like there's _some_ merit.
Basically, I feel like there's more value in how we define or describe _ourselves_ even if we are a little biased versus the results of some test (or the alignment of the stars). Things like horoscopes or the MBTI can be a medium _for_ that description, but they should not be treated as prescriptive or gospel.
well said
You worded this beautifully
I love how you put this! I try to think of these assessments as more of a time to reflect on how you see yourself (even just in that moment/context/situation) and not as a diagnosis of who you are innately.
Your dog/cat assumption is wild
As an MBTI nerd, that is exactly how you should see MBTI - it's NOT A TEST, it's a typology, and the only way to find the personality that fits you the best is by learning about it and being honest to yourself. The point is to gain more insight and more understanding about not only yourself but also how other people might see or experience the world. MBTI alone absolutely cannot encapsulate the complexity of a person, everyone is different based on a lot of things, but I do think that it provides a very interesting lens to analyze people and behaviours.
Also, on a more nerdy note, diving into what's called "cognitive functions" is mandatory if you want to be even remotely relevant in your MBTI analysis. To me, people who claim to be of a certain type, or who believe in the relevancy of MBTI, and don't know about cognitive functions, are just not understanding it at all, and are probably using it in the same way as one would use astrology (hence the comparisons, I guess).
I could literally not fully understand or misinterpret the questions on these tests and get a "wrong" mbti code, and that all of a sudden means other people/companies perceive or view me differently or put me in a different box? Absolutely insane to me. I'm not gonna go and learn 16 different word combos for people to describe themselves as, AND their meaning.
People are people with their own unique personalities, not word codes.
THIS PLUUUS what if I took it when I was a teen and then I grow up and my values and views on things shift? What if they label me as extroverted but I'm just a introvert that knows how to socialize or vice versa. Likeee there are so many flaws to the system but ppl are blinded by flattery.
Exactly! One of the biggest problems with these sorts of tests is that they aren’t even replicable in the same person. I took the mbti a couple years ago and got intp, then again a year or so later and got istj. I don’t think my personality completely shifted in that time, just my own perception of it which was reflected in how I answered the questions
@@silasjude662 What you are saying is that you understand questions wrong, not that the test is. I test like twice a year for 7 years and never moved away from INTJ even a single time.
@@Nemausos or you changed as a person, that could also happen. I took the test a couple years back and I got introverted (forget which one), but I took the test again recently, after becoming more social and got ENTP
@@Nemausos It is the test. It has a bad reliability across the bord. That's one of the reasons it's considered unuseful. And your just one person and so your experience would be anecdotal evidence at best. But doing the test so often also makes it a routine for you. Obviously it is easier to get the same results, escpecially if you like your type.
So, as a fellow logical thinking INT-Type, I can tell you that it's not any more scientific than zodiac signs. But since I'm a Gemini you shouldn't take my word for it, but just read the Wikipedia page or some scientific papers about it. Non of them have a favorable view on the mbti.
Discovering MBTI during adolescence was crucial for me in developing a sense of identity. As an adult though, I've realized personality does change somewhat and you can't take the MBTI as gospel. It was just a good starting point to figuring out who you are.
yeah it was a fun test I took to find my strenths and wekanesses and finding myself, plus it changes a lot based on when i take it
Yeah, agreed. But one should also keep in mind that their mbti is not the crystal clear reflection of who they are, hence, they shouldn’t let it entirely define them or restrict them from performing certain activities.
Yes! I've been thinking this exact same thing myself. Like ffs people, any kinds of tests are not set in stone nor are they 100% accurate. Stop taking everything, even already published academic articles which have been peer reviwed as a gospel. Think for yourself.
There's also a lot more to the lore than the basic test descriptions. There's the cognitive functions, the "four sides" concept (in which less common functions can front in certain situations). It's a lot more complex than just "one solid type".
It's a silly test, because it's dependent entirely on your existing self image. It just confirms what you already think about yourself and frames it back to you as a revelation.
This is why whenever someone (I'm in the UK) asks me to take the test, it comes out different *because it depends on my mood and thus self image at the time*
Absolute hokum.
Always amazes me how much weight is put into pseudoscience even in the modern world.
Phlobotomy made a comeback too. People be reading their noses to define their personality. It's because Gen Z has a severe identity crisis in the face of the internet where there is always an Asian better than you.
Uhhhh phrenology? Phlobotomy is blood drawing lololol @@demo2823
Look at acupuncture, almost nothing about it is "scientific" yet the majority of people report positive effects from it. How your psyche works with your physical body is weird
Isnt acupunkture suposed cut off bloodflow.
Pseudoscience is convenient, it is easy to absorb for most people. Science is typically difficult and people in general do not like to do difficult stuff.
Confirmation bias is real. Had a friend's sister ask my star sign, when I replied they said, "oh I don't get along well with capricorns". Maybe telling someone you don't know them and don't like them isn't the best way to introduce yourself.
If someone asked for mine I wouldn't answer and cut off contact /shrug
Who on earth does get along with Capricorns?
@@keithparker1346 That's true im more of a wheat guy myself
@@keithparker1346 truely, i am more of Her Imperial Condescension's side, Long Live the Empire!
Dude as an astrologer, idk why the money and attention in astrology has been going more to this. Astrology can get very philosophical, it's more about a relationship to life, idk why people have been preferring these generalizations, and have been taking incompatability so personally. Also many in the astrology field have been trying to use astrology to justify avoiding systemic change and it frustrates me so.
I once heard MBTI described as "astrology for self-described intellectuals", and that stuck with me.
Btw, Karl Landsteiner was Austrian, not Australian! That blood type personality stuff has some very icky phrenology/eugenics undertones to it.
Ahhhhhh you’re right, I totally misread!!! thanks for correcting my mistake :)
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Myers Briggs was developed by the ETS a spin off from the American College Board the same group that adapted the original Binet-IQ test to create the L SAT so its even more connected to Eugenics. The goal was to create a "Complete Census of Abilities" that would re-order the entirity of American society among 'Rational' lines but only Myers Briggs got anywhere near a usuable state so the program got abandoned and the ETS' trustees forced it to stay with its original intended remit. There's literally a Gundam villain with the same plan.
If the Supreme Court hadn't upheld Lyndon Johnson's 'Affirmitive Action' executive order Eugenecists might have been able to block basically all minorities from American higher education.
There's a history book about it called "The Big Test".
Carl Jung was a big fan of astrology and personality astrology is essentially a 20th century discipline that postdates Freud's early work on personality and only became popular when newspapers started regularly carrying horoscopes in the 1930s.
Whoever said that was a moron who ironically thinks they are an intellectual while commenting on things they clearly do not understand.
My cousin works in HR (no she wouldn't select someone based on that), but she observed people around her happened to land jobs that fit their MBTI ; not an exact science but that would make sense people who declare to be more comfortable in X situation are more likely to naturally gravitate towards it.
Now that being said I'm ENFP working in accounting, which is supposed to be one of the worst jobs for my type. I took a personality test for my current job and they gave me the result prior to my interview and was invited to discuss it, if I found it faithful or not. That's how it should be used, as a conversation stater, not to close doors.
Of course, I wished I knew about mbti before choosing my career path. I didn't know myself very well, I tried to do the same thing as my friends were doing, ending up doing something that I did'nt like and that wasn't my thing. Now I can use my creativity and my strong organizational skill in my job and it is perfect.
@@emilytchuu9876 You are a very basic person then. I still do not know myself despite all this.
@@detective2221 are they a basic person or are you reflecting?
my dad told me "the biggest and brightest companies don't give af about your mbti" lol
yes they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jarrodyuki7081In Korea I guess but I don’t think the rest of the world does
@@jarrodyuki7081 yeah korea the hellscape that it is cares
@@augustuslunasol10thapostle Both Koreas are somehow equally dystopian for opposite reasons, I think it's genetic.
@@MK_ULTRA420North Korea is 1984 and South Korea is Cyberpunk 2077 basically.
This sucks :(. Carl Jung is probably rolling in his grave hearing that people are using a shitty, watered-down version of his original work for such important decisions.
Ok actually two years ago I researched a lot about MBTI by influence of a friend and learned about cognitive functions, and is quite fun, like I don't take it literally or think it should be a science, but it's fun to go to personality database and see the discussions about you favorite character's type (I'm INTP btw)
Trust me i don't think that those obsessed with mbti know anything about cognitive functions
Exactly, they don’t look deeper into the dang theory that mbti is based off
@@confused7970 Apparently it's pretty common for people to neglect the cognitive functions (especially in Korea) and thus they categorize themselves and others incorrectly. They get pretty stereotypical about it...
I = introvert
E = Extrovert
N= Overthinks and is often in their own head
S= Doesn't think too much, and just does things
F= Feel
T= Think
P= More passive and can be lazy
J= Assertive and goal orientated
Agreed. I'm a psych student and seeing MBTI in my textbook was kind of cool since I enjoyed researching cognitive functions beforehand. In the end, it is a pseuodoscience, but it's still fun to type characters and stuff like that. It absolutely shouldn't be used in interviews.
I agree, they’re fun and a good tool to use for introspection. Like sometimes I read descriptions about my personality and realize I do do some of these things, and would like to change that. But using it like it’s some sort of gospel or as a way to describe someone’s character in an absolute way is definitely taking it too far.
I've always found it frustrating because it asks things like "you prioritize proving your point over preserving someone's feelings" which requires you to imagine the context. Even argumentative people might choose to "preserve" feelings depending on how important the point is, the intensity of the feelings, how stubborn they know the other person to be, how much energy they have on a given day, or any number of important details that are not given.
I'm hovering at 50/50 for all the types except Intuitive/observing, i always get intuiting (ironically) even though I can't intuitively guess the contexts of many of the questions.
Eh flip flop
Are you a child or autistic?
Sis you take the test at 2am?
Did you even have enough sleep when taking the test?
All these things play a huge factor....
Please please do not do the 16Personalities test, it is genuinely not MBTI. Like I'm serious, it states in it's theory section that it's actually OCEAN/BIG5 [still a mockery of it] and that it's - essentially, clickbait. If this is something that you just would find interesting to know, then allow me, a nerd, send you a test that I can at least say is using terms properly.
I can't send the link ofc but just look up "Michael Caloz Cognitive Functions test." Even then, it is still just a random internet test, but it will at least show you something about actual MBTI that you might find intriguing.
Exactly. I have a very argumentative personality and instinctively think how to improve something, but I've lived long enough to learn that close 100% of the time one is unable to change anything and the only outcome of even a very constructive argument is going to end in troubles close to every single time. So however frustrated or even angry I may feel about something, I just ignore the problem and follow the herd or when it gets absoluetly unbearable I just quit the situation. Discussions are good at a university or when there is a very small structure tasked with solving a new problem carte blanche, but otherwise it's just trying to smash a concrete wall with your head. I strongly believe that a point is far more important than anyone's feelings, especially since a measure of maturity is to be able to cope with them and admit your mistakes, but I'm not going to upset someone at something as petty as a workplace, unless there would be a much broader and vastly more important reason to take that person down.
@feelic4312 The test is like having a chat with an idiot, isn't it?
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the type B hate in japan reminds me a lot of how people treat certain zodiac signs, especially geminis (my sign), due to the stereotypes attached to them. i remember getting heated about this often because i thought it was ridiculous and i even took it personally at one point (embarrassing, i know). now though i just think that it’s a weird way to try to read people before getting to know them because people who have the same sign (or blood type in this case) don’t act the same anyways
This really feels dystopian. Humans are way more flexible than what some people give us credit for. Starting for a simple question: what happens if I am ambivert?
Also, just because you are introverted it does not mean you are socially inept lmao. This companies are over reacting
Is in human nature to find fun assigning people to a group according with their personality (zodiac, Hogwarts houses, Percy Jackson's cabins, etc) but there is a limit to everything
i think mbti is a fun thing, but sometimes ppl take it too far ☠️
its has taken over chinese psychology😅 my sister is obsessed with it and called me stubborn for hating it
i trolled my friends when they were asking about my mbti type, "never heard of it, is it a new horoscope or something? oh its personality type, let me try it"
and proceed to choose the answer opposite of what described me, read it and proclaim it is mind blowing really spot on about describing about me
Boy did they go all in on the blood types in korea too, i remember interviews during variety shows back in the day when they would ask about blood types, all the idol profiles would list blood tyoes and horoscopes when nowadays its only the mbti. This lasted well into the mid 2010s, when groups like BLady (girl group of all B types) and B1A4 (5 member boy group, have a guess at their blood types) were debuting. Fun fact, singapore was in on the mbti since the late aughts, because I took my test in school there. They literally had us do it to put us into groups for group projects, to "align personalities and gather diverse strengths". It was wild. And don't get me started on the enneagrams that the US has going on
American here. Yea we got our own "thing" going on too, lol.
Omfg that's what B1A4 stands for?? I thought it was just a random way to name the group 😭
Damn look i had a horoscope and mbti phase but i got over it in a year some people really need to take a break
new gens don't know how prominent blood types were! this is why i kinda like mbti because at least its a questionnaire and not totally arbitrary pseudoscience
And human design 🙈
I think these tests fall into a broader human need to categorize (and thus simplify) things. They (categories/labels in general) can be useful when they're shown to be accurate, but taking labels of any kind as a be-all-end-all is always a mistake. I wish we could grasp the ideas of normal curves and intersectionality a bit more easily, but there's no denying the amount of time and energy saved by taking prejudiced shortcuts for 80% of the time, at least in the short term.
Right, it's way simpler and more convincing for me to say I'm an INTJ-A, rather than (remembering then) describing my Big-5 as O82 C69 E25 A61 N28.
@@doujinflip even those are still categories. the real truth of who you are is fully is indescribable verbally (you may not even know yourself), so we consolidate that information into the most relevant key "features" someone else might be able to relate to.
I mean Newton's law still works for the majority of cases despite better laws superseding it. Mbti's uses might be much more limited though
@@pramitpratimdas1071 newton's laws work on non-relativistic speeds and masses lol. there' basically approximations of special and general relativity and are based on evidence. MBTI is based on whims and feelings. I'm not saying they're completely useless, but they're pretty close to it and should be treated as reliable as polygraph tests, which is to say, not reliable at all and just a bit of fun.
@@snowballeffect7812 I guess it wasn't the best analogy but MBTI when it was introduced was backed by experts, not a product of whims of random laypeople. Have to keep in mind that psychology isn't like the hard sciences. You are not going to find solid evidence proving x or y theory
I'm gonna say this, and it'll upset a lot of people. The personality test which the majority of people used is the Myers-Briggs, or based on it, is total bs. The test was not scientific-based at all nor the people invented it had any background in science. Psychologist Carl Jung was the first person to propose that people could be divided into 8 types, but later he discarded it deeming that humans are complex creatures and cannot be defined by any stereotype; plus the 8 types were based on him GUESSING. There was no data or controlled experiment involved. Later, mystery novelist and her mother Myers-Briggs found Jung's theory, and came up with their own shit, while adding extra personalities into it to spice things up (8 types to 16). In the beginning, the Myers-Briggs test was something they would use at party for fun, but it became popular in high society, and the rest is history.
People are complex. You can be both extrovert and introvert at the same time (maybe not equal amount). For example, a jock football player would be the dominant extrovert in a football game, but throw the same guy into a Hearthstone tournament, and he became the idiot loser of the pack; and the reverse is true for a card game player. Some days you wanna go out and talk to people, and some days you hate everyone. Everyone is an exception to the rule. For these personality tests to say you are one type, and that's it is just plain stupid lol.
Yes, as soon as you look into how, why and by whom the test was created, it's clear that the MBTI is just as bogus as homeopathy, essential oils anf chiropractors.
This!!!!
I remember once taking the test, i was 51% introverted 49% extroverted just a 1% difference actually i don't even think there was a difference but the test has to provide some result and i know people would just totally dismiss that 49% 😂
Theoretically everything is a spectrum. But if you compare MBTI with Big5/OCEAN which is like ✨the✨ standard in psychology right now then you can see some similarities/overlap. The biggest one being extraversion/introversion. So saying that it's like astrology or homeopathy is like comparing medicinal tea to globules. The accuracy and precision of psychology and medicine is a spectrum, too.
Myers briggs isnt perfect but it isn't total bullshit if you research deeper about cognitive functions it is actually a logical system unfortunately most people dont care to research in depth about that stuff
Zodiacs in the west are def just as intense, I’ve seen posts abt roommates listings saying they won’t accept applications for like say a gemini, there are certain negative and positive qualities already associated with certain zodiacs like “Pisces males are the worst”, or “i love libras I always get along with them” I don’t take zodiac seriously myself but I do have my preconceived notions about zodiacs already, I think it’s fun to play into zodiacs but never to actually use it as a serious markers of ones personality, some ppl however live and die by zodiacs
Astrologists hate Pisces males because none of us care about astrology lol
This means the people making these posts were plain dumb.
I think zodiacs are most fun AFTER you get to know a person. I thought I wouldn’t get along with Geminis, Leos, Scorpios, or Libras just by the description alone, but guess what signs the majority of my friends ended up having 😂
These people don't even study astrology. They just know stereotypes based off of the main 4 signs. Astrology is much more complex and deeper than that
@@serenitysubs933 "Astrology is much more complex and deeper than that"
Yeah it's called Astronomy, which is a real science.
I feel that Meyer-Briggs is quite inaccurate. I change a couple answers on the test depending on my mood and I change from an ENFP to an ENFJ and sometimes even an INFP. I think the BIG Five is used more frequently by therapists.
Yes, I'm INFJ on bad days and ENFP on good days, so weird 😂
The traits are a range and not a binary switch, hence why you might flip when you're near the middle. Big-5 and HEXACO used in real psychology are usually seen as percentages like they're supposed to be.
@@maelydelormeThen you can directly discard INFJ (in bad phases INFJs can rather be misconfused with INTJs, ENFPs is pretty far away from how INFJs internally function). In case you are using 16 Personalities as your test I think it's better you search a better one or read about cognitive functions
The test comes with a percentage of how far you are on the scale of each letter. Most people are quite balanced, so it is definitely possible that some letters change depending on the mood.
The thing is, personality _isn't_ solid. It's constantly changing, even if you don't notice it. All the test does is give you a hazy idea of what your mental state and self-image is like at a particular point in time. Take the test, wait a few days, maybe read a bunch of profoundly tragic novels, and then take the test again - you're not gonna get the same result as before.
I actually like mbti because it's fun, I look at aesthetics and listen to playlists based on diff mbti types. It also makes for an interesting conversation starter. But where "compatibility" and job opportunities are concerned is where I draw the line.
They need to learn about cognitive functions.
same
@@stefany6097agreed. Welp, most people stop at the free test by 16p and don’t bother to research further. 16p is fine as a fun one-off personality test but if someone is actually trying to discover their personality they should research more and discover that mbti is more than these 4 letter combis
I never knew that people made MBTI types playlist lol
I need to check this shit out.
The reason I follow mbti is for the memes 😂
There’s nothing wrong with personality tests to try to understand yourself or others better. Taking them too far, as with any tool, is going to be bad, of course. They certainly can’t tell you if someone is fit for a job or not.
while cognitive functions are a neat theory, categorizing people into strict "types" will never, ever work.
This is such an obsession in Asia right now!
It became an obsession in the West out of nowhere when I was doing it for fun for many years.. now.. Asia has taken it to a whole new level.
I had friends from Asia stop being my friend when they heard I was an INFP.. and I don't put where I am anywhere!
Only answer if I am asked!
The West had a different outlook compared to Asia so ofc I don't blame them for saying mbti being biased and inaccurate, personality test are not meant to be realistic. The only one that is correct is OCEAN. I try that test twice, I got INTP at first until my last is INTJ. The mbti one... I have hate-love relationship with it. I love to look in all different perspective and opinions but seeing Koreans taking it too far kinda terrified me. One personality label in all work forces?? Human complexity is a whole another new level, I could tell psychology field in Korea is not their main thing at all
Second hand embarrassment
@@heavenlysadist Even if it's accurate, how can you predict what a person with specific result is going to do in a specific situation? It depends on their perception, judgement, state of knowledge and current motivation. Personality has little to do with it especially since most adults, especially those who are at least moderately succesful, have the ability to ignore their preferences and do what appears to be best based on their knowledge and how they see the problem they're facing. Whatever personality, a 100/100 people is going to run away from a poisonous snake, unless they fail to notice it's presence.
thats scary im infp too and guess i wont tell it to anyone anymore
I spoke with a Psychology Doctor (title) at my university. He said that with modern findings, the MBTI personality test is both academically floored, and mathematically (if you look at statistics) floored. Firstly, everyone has in them minimal parts of other personality types present at the same time. Depending on the stimulus, even those can be triggered. Secondly, "personality", according to him, is a ratio and proportion of four drives (see Dr. Adam Crizzle) and even similar people will be different. Finally, everyone is quite different, and to reduce millions of people to a couple of categories is mathematically inprecise and ignorant.
MBTI is a skewed and flawed psychological measurement it was mentioned during my collegiate years as somewhat a shitty tool since it did not meet the 3 criterias (reliability validity verifiability).
This phenomena where east asia specifically S.Kores is obssessed with knowing their types is called the barnum effect where vague descriptions are deemed true regardless of its value. In general this leads to a false perception on people about personality.
What I have learned in psychology is that personality is like jelly or ditto from pokemon. It varies depending through nature and nurture.
MBTI is not supposed to describe a person entirely, it should be seen as a general pattern of preferred behaviours a person usually has. And if you delve a bit more into it, all 16 personalities do have flaws, weaknesses, very annoying cons, and are clearly distinct from one another, so I don't believe it solely relies on Barnum effect.
@ww_artemis its a textbook pseudo science my guy. They are intentionally broad the same way horoscopes are so they pretty much fit everyone, what youll notice is depending on the day who you're hanging out with youll express and different parts of your personality. Which is why these tests are like a horoscope, not too mention that through out your life depending on your experiences your personality changes.
This is coming from someone thats taken like 4 or 5 psychology courses and had planed on getting a major psychology.
@@Name.......... The 16 personality website and the "test" is trash yep, they have things to sell so it's more of a marketing tool, but the theory behind it is really interesting though it should rather be seen as an analysis tool that presents people in a particular lens, not boxes in which you should shove every person.
You check out the big 5 model?
Demanding reliability for a personality test is, in itself, a degenerate thing to begin with.
Personality changes over time, more or less.
That's like saying depression scaling tests are unreliable because you may recover over time.....
DUH just take it again?😂
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I think a lot of people get super into it because of Jung's theory on the cognitive functions. It's really interesting. Myers Brigs just monetized his ideas to make types and tests.
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No, because I was in Korea and went clubbing and a guy approached me and asked what my mbti was. I told him I don't know and he looked at me like I was the insane one, when he talked about personality types in a crowded club 😂
I dont even know what MBTI i am because two diff websites gives me diff results. And even for the questions, like : "Do you regularly make new friends?" I have to ponder to what degree do I consider someone a friend. And at that point, it's just unanswerable and I have to give a neutral answer because I cant properly give a correct answer.
Most people don’t know how it actually works. It’s not extrovert vs introvert etc. Search up cognitive functions in mbti
Because these tests use the term "MBTI" while not being at all actually MBTI. As the reply above said, MBTI is based on cognitive functions. If it's something that interests you, a good place to start or just to see more accurate information, is searching up "Michael Caloz Cognitive Functions test"
It's still a random internet test, but at least it knows what terms it's using and tries to explain them to you. Hopefully it satisfies you a bit more lol
"Technically you would know best about what you want and what you're good at"
Have you ever talked to a teenager, or even the average adult for more than 5 minutes? People don't know shit about themselves.
Does that include you?
this sounds like a disastrous social issue waiting to happen
Yes. The cone nipple people will rise up against the ripple nipple supremacists when the warehouse robots start taking over the cone nipple people's jobs.
it already is. South korea is a shithole
I don’t think mbti is intended to be a personality type. Often people don’t DIG DEEPER INTO THE ACTUAL THING. Carl Jung first invented the theory not by dichotomy but by cognitive functions to identify the *tendency* on how one’s *cognition* works. This means an infj can be both nice and an absolute jerk (ahem, Jesus and the-German-who-must-not-be-named) not because of their personalities but how they think (like resorting to unhealthy external sensations like stress eating or excessive sleeping when stressed). In this manner, it is a more reasonable *general* categorization than simply E or I, S or N, T or F, P or J. Personality is much more nuanced and extremely difficult to measure so one should not always go the easy path. I do think that this is a step above astrology which is a fixed assignment of “personality” since to identify their cognitive functions, one must reflect on how they work the least subjective manner possible. This is most definitely not science nor is it exactly pseudoscience, but simply a method of cognitive categorizing.
I think the more important thing is: Are you guys able to get along?
If the conversation is good. Then I don't think MBTI matters as much.
Its not good when people become obsessed with typology and tie everything they say or hear back to typology in place of psychology and this happens every time in all typology circles so its an over all net negative and should he abandonded
A conversation may be good and then the other person becomes pain in the a... causing argument over petty things or without any clear reason at all.
nah ppl get obsessed over it. if the only conversation u can participate into is mbti u need to find a new one lmao
Aini, here in my country South Africa does that too. I'm an ISTJ...the #1 MBTI that majority of companies, elite universities & scholarships refuse to employ & fund in my country.
They believe that ISTJ individuals are too strong-willed, crave justice & hate the patriarchal capitalist system & yearn to dismantle it! 😂😂😂
Sounds like they are right tbh
Lmao, that's oddly specific. What's considered favourable?
@@divine6104 it's INFJ or ESPF
So THAT'S why nobody's been picking up my resume...
@@demo2823 yep
Where's cognitive functions? You can't discuss MBTI without touching and understanding the cognitive functions.
I was obsessively into mbti and especially the cognitive functions as a young teenager. i'm autistic, and it definitely gave me a framework for understanding other people's perspectives and priorities in a way that was extremely helpful as someone who struggled with strangers, empathy, and socialization. while i'm no longer attached to the mbti (it is a pseudoscience, and deeply flawed) i still sometimes process the world through cognitive functions to a degree. i've often been in arguments with a person where I realized that, say, I was prioritizing a logical internal order (Ti) where they were prioritizing an external order (Te), or that someone was very good at understanding and accounting for the emotions of others (Fe) but struggled with introspection and understanding their own emotions (Fi) and defining these tendencies through cognitive functions has been helpful to me in recognizing and responding to differences between people
as a ENTP, it pisses me off so much when people call it a personality test, IT IS NOT THAT!! ANY TEST YOU TAKE WILL BE WRONG, THEY RELY ONLY ON STEREOTYPES AND USE NONE OF THE COGNITIVE FUNCTIONS!!
SAME
MBTI is so funny to me, because I have, out of pure curiosity, taken it a few times. And every time I take it, it gives me a different personality. The only thing that pretty much stays the same is my introvertedness. XD
If you put in different answers, it's going to give you the different results
Matsumoto Ryu after any minor inconvenience in his life: "Nah its cause I'm type B"
I've known about mbti for a while. From what i've learnt, it's better to take a cognitive functions test and avoid 16personalities, which is unfortunately more commonly known. Once you know your cognitive functions, you use them simply as a guide. It can be helpful when writing or understanding fictional characters
Nothing wrong with 16p. It is simple and great to start. If you have great introspection you will not be mistyped. My type never changed for many years even though I took it many times. People who are mistyped, answer the question with having their ideal self in mind or try to get that one type they want to get.
@@emilytchuu9876I think people were saying that it was pushing out a lot of INFJs and wasn’t entirely accurate but idrk tbh
@@emilytchuu9876 tbh i think 16p is at this point its own theory, its just that this theory uses the 'mbti' name and so does another one, it gets confusing for people just starting out
@@emilytchuu9876 I agree that it's a starting point. However, IIRC, a huge problem with 16p is that its questions were vague/didnt do much How one thinks.
Ex: "I am never late to appointments" vs "I regularly plan out my day and stick to the plan"
The introvert/extrovert is not the same Carl Jung’s introvert/extrovert. The Myers Briggs or MBTI was based on Carl Jung’s work but is functionally different . I have the social skills to be a MBTI extrovert but am a Jungian introvert.
It's one thing to prefer a type of person or personality over another depending on what the work is. It's another thing to activativly discriminate based on that. It's not the same thing as experience and skills, which are the only things an employer should discriminate based on.
personality tests, zodiacs, and even tarot all serve the same sort of function for me of being a tool for reflection and a kind of meditation - but I always make sure to keep in mind that none of it is solid fact. When I was much younger I would cling to these kinds of things because I desperately wanted simple, clean-cut answers to myself and I think wanting to sort ourselves into little boxes is a very natural thing for young people to want to do. I just wish instead of things being seen as black and white ("thing bad" VS "thing good"), people would see it more of an issue of HOW it's used.
One positive is something I spoke with my friend about recently about another mutual friend of ours - we've all known each other since we were young and our friend is naturally very shy but now has a profession where she needs to be much more extroverted. A few years ago she got really into crystals, tarot, zodiac stuff, etc - and while it's a little silly at times she really used embracing herself as being a leo to take traits of herself that already within the leo archetype and use those to push herself into being an over all more "leo" version of herself. She didn't completely change her personality, but she used the mindset "I'm a leo" to slowly grow into a more outgoing, confident version of herself that she wanted to be and she's struggling a lot less now.
I only started learning about these things through her and while I don't believe it, Ive used star signs (and the concept of sun, venus, and rising signs all existing in one person) too to embrace parts of my personality I've struggled with and helped me adopt a mindset that different, clashing facets of myself can exist in harmony.
But of course, if the beginning and end of your understanding of yourself and others are only these things and you see people as static instead of constantly changing and evolving, that's an extremely limiting and potentially dangerous view of humanity as a whole.
i took the test a while back, discussed it with my friends who also took it in a casual conversation, looked up which fictional characters shared my type and forgot about it
i never thought of it as something serious, that affects work and relationship
and i find this seriousness around it to be super silly, like it's just a funny personality test, it's like taking horoscopes seriously 😅
i remember taking an HR course and my professor hated MBTI tests because it has little to no correlation with how you do at your job
It is definitely true that you shouldn't put too much weight on the MBTI. It is especially worrying, if e.g., businesses start declining applicants based on their MBTI. Personally I've found MBTI to be a useful framework for analysing your own thinking patterns. While it can be considered to be pseudoscience, it's also interesting to observe that e.g., an INFP is extremely unlikely to mistype as an ESTJ, if they answer the questions anywhere close to truth.
It's an useful tool that can be considered, if you're having a hard time understanding the thinking patterns of say your boss. Ask them their type, if it's counter to yours - it'll be easier to understand why their logic doesn't follow yours. For example if they rely more on hard logic, while you're a feeler, you might want to present your ideas in a way that comes off more as logic based rather than feeling.
tldr: mbti can be a useful tool, if not taken too seriously and more as a guideline'ish thingy
I find myself forgetting that this content creator doesn’t have a million plus subscribers while watching; fantastic content!
the saddest part is that when i try to explain to my friends about cognitive functions and enneagram they ignore me because they want to keep their INFJ labels. My friend has so much Si-Te it's hard to ignore, but they think they are INFJ, and they started this INFX group chat without me just because i am ENTP.
Those people arent your friends. The sooner you realize this the better I'm afraid.
You're just exchanging one pseudoscience for another. The enneagram system is based in old mysticism and is no more accurate a model of the human psyche than horoscopes or MBTI.
That said, it sounds like this "friend" of yours would be a poor friend with or without made-up personality types - a personality test just happens to be the mechanism by which they are excluding you. If I were you, I'd take a good long look at that relationship and reevaluate whether it has a positive or negative effect on your life.
@@bwnnn excluding people because of online fabricated personality tests show me u are possibly below 80 IQ.
Tell them to take enneagram and tritype without trying the tests, I assure they will blown out with their minds
i feel this! I have a friend who wants to be an infp 4w5 so badly even thought she literally fits e6 or e3 more 😭 i really wish they didn’t act like having Te Fe or Si was such a bad thing or that enneagram 4 is the only good type and the others suck. I use to have this mentality too before coming to terms with the fact I am an ISFJ but it can be rather lonely waiting for my friends to move out of this intuitive bias phase. I honestly blame 16personalities.
Even Carl Jung himself, who found the term extraverted and introverted, explained that this is only a simplistic way to explain to the layman the tendencies of what was happening to the unconscious and shouldn't be taken literally.
Greedy psychologists erroneously politicized and monetized this. Creating a new reality that is harmful for individual because it hinders them from understanding themselves. Addressing one's persona as oneself only causes neurosis in the long run. But if you realize this and take MBTI just for fun, that's fine.
I've been mbti typology/mbti for 6 years. The main issue is that it doesn't define you at work. Another issue is that most people keep using bad quizzes / websites such as 16personality and truity instead of actually using the cognitive functions to judge.
It can define you at work by knowing your MBTI.
mbti typology🤣🤣🤣
As much as I love doing MBTI, I don’t think that should be the reason of why I can or cannot do my job.
It's crazy how many people don't know how to answer "Who am I?".
They don't have an identity yet.
Also, the Internet can really throw gasoline on the identity question as well
I honestly feel MBTI is useful for fictional stuff like a base for writing characters, it should not be something people should take at face value in real life (especially in stuff like job applications).
Even if MBTI was 100 personalities instead of 16, its accuracy will still be dubious as humans are complex and cannot be fit into a clean box.
Yes but people ARE complex but not really that much. Without astrology or MBTI would anyone think there's more than basically 5 or 6 personalities?
@@keithparker1346 well.... yes, actually.
Talking with people in real life,it's very obvious that there's a lot of nuance, even two people who can both be described as "bright and Cheerful " , can be very different from each other.
@@dDoodle788 ok name at least 16 personality types
MBTI are used in a lot of job applications without people realizing too, its used to essentially filter out the "undesirables"( People with disabilities, introverts, etc etc.) so businesses can say they aren't being discriminatory
mbti is also so unpredictable and changes with time! I took it once out of curiosity, and then again when a friend asked what it was and I’d forgotten. I got two different types. Imagine if the first time I’d gotten one that was “prohibited” for a job opportunity and the second time around it was one allowed😭
Not just east asia, IT companies in Europe (and I'd guess the US as well) are making engineers do this nonsense, I once got through CV screening and technical assignment which I aced, they made me do some sort of IQ test which I also aced (scored in top 1%) and then made me do a personality test and rejected me based on that, actual insanity
Mbti became bigger and gained more interest during the pandemic. During this time we were all mostly isolated and didn't have much human contact and alot of us lost touch of reality. It was hard to define ourselves in such a time as we rarely recieved validation or dislike regarding our traits nor met people who were different from us and in such a time the simple four letter system did give us security regarding ourselves despite it's rather shallow nature
Mbti：you are a man will drink water when you’re thirsty
You: this test is spot on!
Mayer-Briggs is just astrology for people who think they’re too smart for astrology.
louder for the ppl in the back