Awesome demo,. Excellent tone. Really shows how epic both of these pedals are for metal. Both pedals are awesome in their own way. Metal Muff is extremely underrated. Personally, I own both.
I bought a metal muff on a whim recently because my local shop had one used for pretty cheap. The thing sounds MEAN!! I absolutely love it and get some great tones out of it. Highly recommend it, well worth the money I spent on it. You can find them used online for about $50
pro ratt very boxy is 3% more organic sounding (studio) ,... 99% of guitar people can not hear the diff . $60 metal muff ***I bought 5 used, is more versatile, all most the EVH 5150 pedal(at $250 about the same with noise gate.) PS i use controlled feed back via clean signal tone thru stings, so a noise gate s and line 6 HD 500 s are obsolete / unwanted feed back squeals ( think santana) . this bad demo guy does not know how to use pedals , and go s to show you the blind leading blind. metal muff is marshall JCM 800 - 900 on steroids in a pedal. at 2 watts mass over drive, at 50 watts i run the pedal cleaner on distortion knob for the deep E string chunk. controls , start here try ///***O'clock positions/// / Vol = presence type drive JPriest = 2 , treb = 2, med =10, bass=3 , distortion = 2 or 3 // Vol = presence type drive VH = 4 , treb = 11, med =5, bass=9, distortion = 2 or 3............top boost= treble boost=boxy i use it very little.
Just got a Metal Muff on a trade, it sounds tons better if you dial the treble back to nearly nothing and adjust the amps treble or the mids on the MM to bring some highs back in. Very great sounding distortion and all the knobs offer a HUGE range of adjustment as they are extremely sensitive.
Without being eq-ed heavily, the Rat delivers a great thick, heavy, draggy, doomy tone, edging over into fuzz. Packs plenty of punch to cut through. The Metal Muff actually has a livelier tone that started to sound pretty good when you adjusted the tone around 5:27. zzseba is right, the MM can sound a bit cannish, but when the mids are cut a bit and bass boosted sounds pretty meaty. They're both great, and for the deals you can find online the Metal Muff is a steal.
Great demo,no talking or bs,thank you.Have the nano netal muff,great pedal.have been playing metal since 1982 and have always used the proco rat boosted with a tube screamer,turns the rat into a whole new beast
Actually both sound just as good! I have had both and find the RAT as the go-to because it's been the go-to, but recently I've purchased a used EHX and have been using it for the past year daily! I find it more versatile in tonal editing than the RAT. Love'em both!
The other day I decided to run my RAT2 into my Dist+ with the gain at about 1:00 on both, and was rewarded with the most nasty buzzy splattery tone this side of my HM2. I highly recommend it.
For a pedal first introduced in 1978, the Rat is so awesome. It hasn't aged a bit. Such fat, chunky yet clean sounding low end. Makes even a practice amp sound like a beast. Metal muff is more versatile, yes...but the Rat is so distinctive. The Metal Muff has nice tones, but I couldn't picked its tone out from other metal pedals.
The RAT is awesome. The distortion and filter knobs are very interactive. You raise the distortion then you have to adjust the filter to keep the general EQ you're going for.
I have a 90's RAT but have always used it for heavy rock tone more so than metal. I have a BOSS hm-2 in the post so can't wait to play around with early Swedish death metal sound!!!
I Finnally got my self a metal muff and im currently convineing it with an hm2 one pedal for each guitar the pan them LR. I use the miids all the way up back off mids to 7 or 7 and bass. Around 8. Top boost engaged at 2( it does the opposite of boosting the top When there )dist to 6 to 8max Then i use. S presh impulse with the voxengo cab simulator wich its free boogex or something like that same cab for both pedals straigt to the interface next will be a rat to continue my rigg hoarding problem
Hey thanks for all your shootouts. between these two which do you recommend for live and which for recording? i'm stucj btw both of them from all my searches..:-)
The Metal Muff is more for Black Metal, Death Metal, Doom Metal and Thrash IMO, the Rat sounds more raw, good for anything, even if it is not Metal related
In this match, the Rat is like the pedal for real men! Sorry EHX, Maybe in a face to face with a Big Muff Tone Wicker... But wherever, Rat rules! By the way, great demo man!
I'm snagging the Rat2 from a buddy who's downsizing his rig. I mostly play through a Little Big Muff. I'm trying to find demos of those stacked together. Would probably need a decent boost along with it. I'm currently playing an Epiphone Wildkat and trying to sell it so I can get an SG then add a Bigsby on it.. along with upgrading my amp setup and my entire board. I'm actually just gonna build my own board. Hopefully, I can find some fairly thin, light, clean steel at a scrap yard and my buddy will let me use his welder. I have my eyes on several boxes..too many options.
I have been trying to decide what pedal to get to put in front of my Katana 50 mk1 the amp has all of the low end dialed out and still thumps uncontrollably The metal muff seems to have enough high and mid cut to balance that out this isn't really about which one is better they both sound awesome, but rather which will better fit your setup and needs. Great demo.
Mid boosting pedals for mid scooped amps, mid scooped pedals for mid boosted amps. Rat sounds fuller here because its mid boosting and meant to make a fender sound Marshall-y. Metalmuff would sound way better into a mashall because of the marshall's compressed mids. It might also sound better in the fender if you ran the MM through the rat on a clean setting, at least I find bigmuff is vastly improved by a tubescreamer between it and a fender.
The Metal Muff is definitely more metal but the RAT is thicker. In saying that even though the RAT has been used by a ton of metal bands on it's own it can't really do it, needs help, I always liked it more as a boost.
@@HenryFordOfficial Brian Patton ran straight into a Mesa Triple Rec, not sure what Jimmy plays through. Brian also ran the same setup for Soilent Green. They both use Lace Pickups. Brian uses the Drop and Gain, Jimmy uses the Finger Burners. Neither one of those guys ever used solid state heads or amps, they're diehard tube amp guys, hence their killer guitar sound.
The Metal Muff is really EHX' answer to the Boss HM-2. EHX makes several clones - Klon Centaur, TS9, OCD - and many versions of their own Big Muff, but I don't think they have anything that's intended to be a Rat clone. The Rat was based on a fairly uncommon fuzz circuit - the LM308 Op Amp. I think that you could probably find an EHX that you could tweak to sound close to the Rat, but I don't think the Metal Muff is a good one to start with. Maybe the Op Amp Big Muff? But, even though that's based on Op Amp overdrive, it's a very different circuit.
@@thefuneralparade Well... is a guitar pedal demo and tuning is part of the tone. I understand that for some people it doesn‘t matter, but to me is vital in understanding how the pedal sounds and how it might sound with my gear
The Rat is the dist I've chased all my life w the caveat that it be somehow more unique.. The EHX MM as does w the Rat as with what my Mesa/Boogie Subway derives from Fender but lean more towards Marshall; I find more versatility and a welcomed boost in a darker sound.. Old Alice In Chains, perfect! Wanna drop the bottom out and make everyone in the room wanna fkkn duck: check! Grunge, doom, overOVERDRIVE: Weeee gota winner! I love the Rat sound and that's why I stick w EHX for the most part: they do what they do (for me) better and the controls are not only precise but intuitive! Its a dream in the Tone Tattoo pedal which again, reacts intuitively w the Neo Clone and Memory Machine EHX pedals. A Danelectro Fab Dist brings out the sound from the darkness w no breakup spared and a Zoom G92tt provides endless possibility. Dunlop 95 wah pre-everything of course. I look forward to accenting my sound further w more EHX pedals like the Sitar synth they offer for a more Secret Chiefs 3 vibe. Hails Satan 🤘
METAL MUFF!! Rat suits perfectly with Rock/Hard rock/grunge (nirvana, Cobain used Rat) Only thing I don't like is the fact that you didn't setup good the pedals!
Great demo. No tool box intro or five mins of talking, just playing and different settings recorded cleanly. Thank you
+CranboonFresh :0)
I love the fuzzy sound from the metal muff it makes it sound more brutal.
Awesome demo,. Excellent tone. Really shows how epic both of these pedals are for metal. Both pedals are awesome in their own way. Metal Muff is extremely underrated. Personally, I own both.
Proco Rat - my favourite pedal when it comes to a Distorted tone. Simple, effective and amazing
Love the riffs. Seems like very few youtubers have any taste in riffs or composing riffs great job.
I bought a metal muff on a whim recently because my local shop had one used for pretty cheap. The thing sounds MEAN!! I absolutely love it and get some great tones out of it. Highly recommend it, well worth the money I spent on it. You can find them used online for about $50
Same here. Paid $60 used and freakin' love it!!!
pro ratt very boxy is 3% more organic sounding (studio) ,... 99% of guitar people can not hear the diff . $60 metal muff ***I bought 5 used, is more versatile, all most the EVH 5150 pedal(at $250 about the same with noise gate.) PS i use controlled feed back via clean signal tone thru stings, so a noise gate s and line 6 HD 500 s are obsolete / unwanted feed back squeals ( think santana) . this bad demo guy does not know how to use pedals , and go s to show you the blind leading blind. metal muff is marshall JCM 800 - 900 on steroids in a pedal. at 2 watts mass over drive, at 50 watts i run the pedal cleaner on distortion knob for the deep E string chunk. controls , start here try ///***O'clock positions/// / Vol = presence type drive JPriest = 2 , treb = 2, med =10, bass=3 , distortion = 2 or 3 // Vol = presence type drive VH = 4 , treb = 11, med =5, bass=9, distortion = 2 or 3............top boost= treble boost=boxy i use it very little.
Just got a Metal Muff on a trade, it sounds tons better if you dial the treble back to nearly nothing and adjust the amps treble or the mids on the MM to bring some highs back in. Very great sounding distortion and all the knobs offer a HUGE range of adjustment as they are extremely sensitive.
Without being eq-ed heavily, the Rat delivers a great thick, heavy, draggy, doomy tone, edging over into fuzz. Packs plenty of punch to cut through. The Metal Muff actually has a livelier tone that started to sound pretty good when you adjusted the tone around 5:27. zzseba is right, the MM can sound a bit cannish, but when the mids are cut a bit and bass boosted sounds pretty meaty. They're both great, and for the deals you can find online the Metal Muff is a steal.
Great demo,no talking or bs,thank you.Have the nano netal muff,great pedal.have been playing metal since 1982 and have always used the proco rat boosted with a tube screamer,turns the rat into a whole new beast
Actually both sound just as good! I have had both and find the RAT as the go-to because it's been the go-to, but recently I've purchased a used EHX and have been using it for the past year daily! I find it more versatile in tonal editing than the RAT. Love'em both!
Any feedbacks on live sessions? Does it produce that heavy vibe live?
i prefer the metal muff but I've always liked a little more mids and muff has em
The other day I decided to run my RAT2 into my Dist+ with the gain at about 1:00 on both, and was rewarded with the most nasty buzzy splattery tone this side of my HM2. I highly recommend it.
I have these running in parallel with the help of an EHX Tri Parallel Mixer. Awesome tone
Thanks Simon! I finally get the Cadaver Hallucinating Anxiety tone (with the Rat)
I have watched this vid 100s of times i still havent made a decision so i probably going to get both hahaahh
For a pedal first introduced in 1978, the Rat is so awesome. It hasn't aged a bit. Such fat, chunky yet clean sounding low end. Makes even a practice amp sound like a beast. Metal muff is more versatile, yes...but the Rat is so distinctive. The Metal Muff has nice tones, but I couldn't picked its tone out from other metal pedals.
The RAT is awesome. The distortion and filter knobs are very interactive. You raise the distortion then you have to adjust the filter to keep the general EQ you're going for.
I have a 90's RAT but have always used it for heavy rock tone more so than metal. I have a BOSS hm-2 in the post so can't wait to play around with early Swedish death metal sound!!!
metal muff + TC hall a fame = cheep organic holly grail ... piss on HD500 /GT100 brash solid state sound
Both pedals are great super
UNLEASHED......UPON......MANKIND
Get an equalizer in there and you can sweeten them all
I Finnally got my self a metal muff and im currently convineing it with an hm2 one pedal for each guitar the pan them LR. I use the miids all the way up back off mids to 7 or 7 and bass. Around 8. Top boost engaged at 2( it does the opposite of boosting the top When there )dist to 6 to 8max
Then i use. S presh impulse with the voxengo cab simulator wich its free boogex or something like that same cab for both pedals straigt to the interface next will be a rat to continue my rigg hoarding problem
Great Video Simon, can you tell me the tone of the guitar in this video ?
Hey thanks for all your shootouts. between these two which do you recommend for live and which for recording? i'm stucj btw both of them from all my searches..:-)
Koushik Shetty Hard to say. Not used the EHX live yet...
Proco Rat would sound good used in a raw black metal band.
The Metal Muff sounds more trve kvlt, the Rat sounds a bit darker
i would use the rat for doom stuff
The Metal Muff is more for Black Metal, Death Metal, Doom Metal and Thrash IMO, the Rat sounds more raw, good for anything, even if it is not Metal related
In this match, the Rat is like the pedal for real men! Sorry EHX, Maybe in a face to face with a Big Muff Tone Wicker... But wherever, Rat rules!
By the way, great demo man!
franfender Thanks FranFender :0)
I bought a RAT new in '87. Very close but I prefer the Metal Muff. I actually like the MM Nano even better.
Metal Muff, the RAT seems like it would get lost in a mix easier
I'm about to get myself a Metal Muff pedal.just wish this one had a noise gate feature.but it's all good.🤘🏻🔥
I'm snagging the Rat2 from a buddy who's downsizing his rig. I mostly play through a Little Big Muff. I'm trying to find demos of those stacked together. Would probably need a decent boost along with it. I'm currently playing an Epiphone Wildkat and trying to sell it so I can get an SG then add a Bigsby on it.. along with upgrading my amp setup and my entire board. I'm actually just gonna build my own board. Hopefully, I can find some fairly thin, light, clean steel at a scrap yard and my buddy will let me use his welder. I have my eyes on several boxes..too many options.
U don't need a boost.just turn th gain down on both when u stack them.
unleashed upon mankind 🤘🤘
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rat, amazing pedal
what are the settings on the MXR carbon copy
I have been trying to decide what pedal to get to put in front of my Katana 50 mk1 the amp has all of the low end dialed out and still thumps uncontrollably The metal muff seems to have enough high and mid cut to balance that out this isn't really about which one is better they both sound awesome, but rather which will better fit your setup and needs. Great demo.
Metal end is th best
Thanks for the doom tones. \m/
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That metal muff nailed some edge of sanity tones! Oh, do you know Dan swano and please say yes.....is he nice?
Just because somebody has a fucking video up on youtube doesn't mean that they know Dan swano.are you stupid or something?
What guitar cable is that?
Rat's got that muffled Orange Crush amp distortion thing about it.
Mid boosting pedals for mid scooped amps, mid scooped pedals for mid boosted amps. Rat sounds fuller here because its mid boosting and meant to make a fender sound Marshall-y. Metalmuff would sound way better into a mashall because of the marshall's compressed mids. It might also sound better in the fender if you ran the MM through the rat on a clean setting, at least I find bigmuff is vastly improved by a tubescreamer between it and a fender.
Excellent comment, top observations.
will the pro co rat make my amp sound better on distortion? my amp has a bad distortion sound. please let me know if you think this pedal will help
It will
The Rat sounds like Morbid Angel
End of discussion
At 7:30, it just sounds like my amp's distortion
4:00 rat2 op07 - full shot 0:17 MM - all knob middle 7:39 -MM middle scoop range 'V' sound 6:39-MM mid low boost mod full gain
The Metal Muff is definitely more metal but the RAT is thicker. In saying that even though the RAT has been used by a ton of metal bands on it's own it can't really do it, needs help, I always liked it more as a boost.
rat more flexible and versatile
The RAT sounds EXACTLY like Eyehategod at 4:40
I think both of them ran straight into solid state amps though (Randall and Ampeg)
@@HenryFordOfficial Brian Patton ran straight into a Mesa Triple Rec, not sure what Jimmy plays through. Brian also ran the same setup for Soilent Green. They both use Lace Pickups. Brian uses the Drop and Gain, Jimmy uses the Finger Burners. Neither one of those guys ever used solid state heads or amps, they're diehard tube amp guys, hence their killer guitar sound.
gonna need a citation there chief
imgur.com/gallery/ygy9aYJ
Proco Rat sounds fuckin great
Reminds me to some Celtic Frost tunes
RAT sounds great.
I love the RAT...
Simon Smith Me too bro! Nothing makes me wanna get another dirt box. RATs just perfect.
I wonder who's bright idea it was to put the top boost thing in the metal muff.
Bolt thrower!
I am old school.. Rat has more gain distorsion....and does not sound muffled... Thats why James Hetfield uses one.
I’m lookin all over the internet to buy the same cable Can’t seem to find it or the brand.
Don't think it was a branded cable, just a cheap one I'd had for years.
The Metal Muff is really EHX' answer to the Boss HM-2. EHX makes several clones - Klon Centaur, TS9, OCD - and many versions of their own Big Muff, but I don't think they have anything that's intended to be a Rat clone. The Rat was based on a fairly uncommon fuzz circuit - the LM308 Op Amp. I think that you could probably find an EHX that you could tweak to sound close to the Rat, but I don't think the Metal Muff is a good one to start with. Maybe the Op Amp Big Muff? But, even though that's based on Op Amp overdrive, it's a very different circuit.
I just bought a Rat pedal it sounds bad azz. With my Boss delay pedal. I give it a 5 ***** rateing
Which one do you prefere Simon?
YoungFidodido I love the RAT, but the MM has more tonal variety. If I just had to pick one though I'd be stumped!!
Rat is darker
Bolt Thrower 🤟🏼
the demo is good but volume is different
Rat sounds fuller and darker. More to my taste I guess
What tuning are you playing in?
Who cares.why would it matter?
@@thefuneralparade Well... is a guitar pedal demo and tuning is part of the tone. I understand that for some people it doesn‘t matter, but to me is vital in understanding how the pedal sounds and how it might sound with my gear
@@rodrigoxnevesx I see...makes sense when thought about in that regard.a perfect tuning is quite nice to hear when judging the tone your looking for.
And the bottom end was no where to be found again.
Rat, because it sound awesome, and because the Metal Muffin sounds like a can :)
Metal muff the best
La Rat sonne 100 fois mieux ! Plus profonde en restant plus ouverte, plus naturelle. Pas photo !
EHX has a cleaner distortion.
That's a pretty big insult
+Motherboy XXX I mean that looks more defined in my ear's.. sorry bruh
***** Nah I gotcha bro :-) just messin with ya
Metal Muff is more ideal for Metal
Rat fantastic pedal more for Rock/Grunge, but if you want to solo you have to boost him
Isolirion Band idk.. lots of metal bands really liked using this pedal
@@scrumdiddily6162 I used metal Muff for my record.
Metal Muff es nasal, lo cambié.
Por cual lo cambiaste?
Metal muff wins
RAT made in china or USA?
China product. Unfortunately they are no longer made in the USA.
Muff
Fucking Bolt Thrower \m/
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The Rat is the dist I've chased all my life w the caveat that it be somehow more unique.. The EHX MM as does w the Rat as with what my Mesa/Boogie Subway derives from Fender but lean more towards Marshall; I find more versatility and a welcomed boost in a darker sound.. Old Alice In Chains, perfect! Wanna drop the bottom out and make everyone in the room wanna fkkn duck: check! Grunge, doom, overOVERDRIVE: Weeee gota winner! I love the Rat sound and that's why I stick w EHX for the most part: they do what they do (for me) better and the controls are not only precise but intuitive! Its a dream in the Tone Tattoo pedal which again, reacts intuitively w the Neo Clone and Memory Machine EHX pedals. A Danelectro Fab Dist brings out the sound from the darkness w no breakup spared and a Zoom G92tt provides endless possibility. Dunlop 95 wah pre-everything of course. I look forward to accenting my sound further w more EHX pedals like the Sitar synth they offer for a more Secret Chiefs 3 vibe. Hails Satan 🤘
METAL MUFF!!
Rat suits perfectly with Rock/Hard rock/grunge (nirvana, Cobain used Rat)
Only thing I don't like is the fact that you didn't setup good the pedals!
MM has a noticeably better sound and tone.
rat is superior
Metal Muff is better than buRAT!
Bolt thrower lol