History Summarized: Iroquois Native Americans
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- There's a fascinating history from just northwest of American history that is too often ignored. But that's a damn shame, because it's a damn cool history, and I'm going to talk about it dammit!
No, I didn't accidentally misspell the title of this video when I sleepily uploaded this after I woke up. That's absurd.
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Myself being Iroquois, I come from the Cayuga Nation. This is amazing to see that this video was made and gets into the roots of where it all started. I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for making it!
How is Iroquois and Cayuga pronounced?
Prism Quartz ee roh kwoi, caah yew gah
@@machobonerbob6108 Hundreds even thousands died in the intentional genocide of them and many other native tribes.
Viperstrikes 262 SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST!
@@machobonerbob6108 I wouldn't bet on you in Thunderdome.
"Hooray for the murderous cold!"
A deleted song from Frozen that didn't quite make the final cut...
As someone who actually lives in upstate New York, he’s not really lying tbh
@@robertmerrill8918 I'm from northern Illinois I can relate.
-30 c here sometimes
"No law could be passed without giving specific consideration to how it would affect the next seven generations."
I love that. So many politicians only seem to pass laws that will benefit them or line their pockets; there's no question about how the present will impact the future. We should bring the "seven generations" idea into modern politics, especially here in the U.S. Remembering that we're all the ancestors and ancestresses of tomorrow could help heal today.
Alicia Nyblade yes this is my favourite part. I am Canadian and when to a primary school called Seneca unity and a high school called Cayuga secondary. There is a First Nation reserve near by. So this is a southern Ontario history as much as northern Pennsylvania and New York.
The problem with this is that in the modern day, things change so quickly we can't possibly predict what things are going to be like a few decades from now, let alone seven generations, it could only work back when things stayed pretty much the same for centuries.
@@kingpyrrhusofepirus6686 I disagree. Yes, things change much more rapidly in modern times, but the consequences of certain actions or inaction are very easy to predict. For instance, governments being slow to adopt green policies because they're bought by the coal and oil industries; we're already seeing the effects of that and they'll only worsen and will leave my generation (millennial) and future ones with the price.
How boring. Peace is only useful to prepare for war. The next generation must fight for their survival!!😠
@@kakerake6018 Okay, tough guy.
"so what did you guys do to solve fights?"
Iroqouis: "stuck em in a field and had them play lacrosse for a few days"
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Polish: Make them talk and bribe eachother until everyone can agree.
By that time they're too tired to fight. Sounds good.
As I understand those "Games" were FULL CONTACT sports as in people broke bones, got trampled and died while playing. Still fewer people died than in wars.
Lol lol and for days at time too😂
So Native Americans were being American before America even existed.
I don't know why there are so many people in the comments complaining that they've learnt all this stuff before, do you think this video was only made for Americans? We were taught nothing about Native Americans in school here in Australia so I appreciate content that does. (*Oh my god, he actually pronounced emu correctly!*)
This isn't generally taught in American schools, either. History that makes America look bad usually isn't, and neither is history featuring anything other than white men.
Really? I live in America and I learnt about everything from some of the tribes to the trail of tears. I did go to a private school tho
Learned about everything in a public school. While I'm sure they missed some spots, there was never any denying parts of history where america paints itself in a bad light. Great history class in the later years though, really stressed the importance of understanding both sides of a conflict before passing judgment.
Uh... I live in America, and I didn't learn anything about any specific Native American tribes. Everything was kinda glossed over.
Eh, the bulk of my Native American knowledge comes from TH-cam. At least I have a resource to accompany any shortcomings of school knowledge.
(I didn't even know you CAN pronounce emu wrong.)
"There's no way Australia actually waged a war against emus."
*one Google search later*
Goddamnit, Australia. You weirdos...
Noah Weisbrod and lost
Noah Weisbrod *Weirdos?* I'll give you weirdos, I'll cut your heart out and feed it to the Emu Emperor!
PS. EMU is pronounced Emm-you, not E-moo.
Noah Weisbrod
😂😂😂
the image he used was of ostiches. Emus have different feathers.
Noah Weisbrod lol I had the same reaction the first time I heard of it.
As a Iroquois from the Mohawk nation, this was really nice to come across and I enjoyed watching it. We also mostly refer to ourselves as ‘Onkwehonwe’ (roughly pronounced Oon-gway-hoon-way) People of the Flint. Thanks for taking the time to share part of my culture and history!
You are not Indigenous
Dave Israel did you know.. your opinion means shit! Have a great day!
Dave Israel you uh... got any evidence for that?
Onkwehón:we actually means original people. Kanyen'kehá:ka = people of the flint
@@karahkwinehtha3373 Niá:wen for the correction!
You guys need to cover the Emu war, it's so ridiculous. The army of Australia vs the Emu population, the casualties: some Emus and the army's dignity.
Malcom Alexander yes yes they do
The Emu War is my favorite war, especially considering that some history books I've seen have the Emus listed as the winners.
The Emus did win. See there was an overabundance of Emus, so the government decided to get rid of them by sending in the army(with heavy machine guns) to kill the Emus. They shot at the birds and didn't land a single fatal hit. this went on till November 2nd to December 10th. In the end the government told the farmers and hunters to do what they were doing anyway.
A dumb war, but there have been dumber wars, like the War of Jenkins' Boot.
Correction: Ear, not boot.
I wish school would recognize native histories more, especially since they have such an effect on the US
One minor thing I'd like to add my 2 cents to. Lacrosse; the version the Iroquois played regularly resulted in serious injuries or death, as the 'ball' was usually a round-ish stone (for weight), wrapped in strips of dried hide to create as uniform a shape as they could. The end result was a heavy and hard projectile that would ruin your day if it hit you.
AtholAnderson before I say anything you know how many concussions and suicides football is related to?
@@elagabalus6948 So if you dont - google it.
ResortDog it was a question to highlight how modern sports still result in death and mental illness
Not shitting on sports just stating the nature of it no matter how fun comes with risks
But yeah totally epic response bro owned me XDDD
Another fun fact, the 'field' in Lacrosse was traditionally the distance between villages, meaning that the playing field could be twenty miles or more long, and games could take days or weeks to complete.
so, hockey without padding and you throw the puck?
Now if only someone would bring back the part about mandatory consideration of how a law will affect the next 7 generations before they can pass it.
I hear road rage is statistically lower in the winter as well. People just can't afford or don't have the energy to fight in the cold.
Most laws can be changed or modified to fit any time period.
7 generations is really hard to predict and will almost certainly be wrong, i would say instead a 3 generation law. if people in the 1930's legislated in consideration of today, i highly dought climate change and environmental destruction would be as bad as it is.
I think about that sometimes. I would really want there to be a social golden age soon, where laws prevent any and all discrimination and allow the individual to identify and practice as they see fit. The first thing to go is any concept of sodomy laws, whether existing or in legal practice. (Of course a new law for beastiality, but human-human relations in general would not be liable to discrimination.)
@@cageybee7221 Climate destruction would be just as bad as it is. Most people are too ocupied with bread and circuses, and the ruling class does not care about others.
@@cageybee7221 Also climate change was discovered somewhere around the 70s-80s in any meaningful way. The folks in the 30s can't exactly get their hands on modern or cold war era tech to understand this specific problem they have no clue exists.
Often, it's less they're purposely ignoring dangers and more they're completely unaware. Who would think cutting down forests would effect the entire planet?
The pic of the interior of a long house come from gonandogan! It's a site with a recreated long house, the peace trail, and a museum. It's run by Iroquois people and it's a beautiful place to visit.
The Mohawk knew ganondagan as gannagaro
It is beautiful. I’ve been there multiple times ☺️☺️☺️
This is like school but more fun
Sarah Masias true
That's why i love them so much
Sarah Masias And less old history teachers.Also,better animation.
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public schools are the mcdonalds of education
This is how learning should be. Fun.
"I do not know what weapons WW III will be fought with, but WW IV will be fought with Yu Gi Oh Duels!"
WW3 will be drones from first world countries, and whatever the second and third world countries decide to bring, until someone drops an EMP and we resort to only the tech that didn't get wrecked.
@@wickederebus Nah, my money's on hardly any open lethal conflict, but economical, cyber and culteral warfare, seizing control of strongpoints and pillars of your opponents society untill they are unable to deny your demands. More like China's new silk road and Russia's false news warfare programmes (there's an actual instruction book they wrote for that that got leaked, see if you can find it).
@@wickederebus EMP theory is stupid as hell. You know what a pulse is right?
I live where the Iroquois (particularly the Mohawk) used to live and I have always thought that they were only taught as a regional thing until I got older and was so happy to see them being taught across the country. I feel guilt and anger about what happened to them but am grateful their legacy lives on. Great video!
"In case you're not from the American northeast, it gets COLD in the winter."
I'm from western Canada. I heard that and I was like BOI.
It was -8 degrees in my New England hometown at the peak of winter.
@@rugiiman8917 Fahrenheit? I've seen it get to -35 Celsius here. That's -31 Fahrenheit.
In NY near the Canadian border the highs are normally -single digits °F before windchill (windchill is basically always another 5-10°).
Calling the cold murderous is accurate, especially considering how the climate was actually colder back then than it is today.
You didn't mention the "Mourning Wars"! The early Iroquois had a habit of replacing their losses with captives from other communities. This meant they did a ton of raiding and kidnapping, but it also meant the captives weren't exactly slaves: they were meant to be assimilated and become full members of the tribe. The mourning wars kept the Iroquois strong when a half dozen different plagues swept through the new world. The mourning wars ended when the beaver wars started, as motivations and scale changed.
Like the slave trail up and down the west coast. Once they wer two or three tribes away from home, they doubted they could live to return or not be re-enslaved or worse eaten in the hard winters.
I'm getting Things Fall Apart vibes from the integration part. It's definitely an interesting practice. But I'm sure there's a whole psychological edge in the taken as well.
Are you seriously trying to imply the kidnapping, raping, and infanticide done by the Iroquois against other tribes is equivalent to some modern-day progressive tenet about "accepting outsiders"?
@@callawright7219 Where did you get raping and infanticide out of Derrick White's comment?
The Mourning Wars was some pretty barbaric stuff. After days of ritualized torture, the various families of the tribe would vote, based on the captive's behavior during the torture, on whether they will adopt him or have him tortured to death--usually be being literally scalped and cut to pieces while alive. The Haudenosaunee Way is not for the faint of stomach.
Blue. Please. I'm begging you. PLEASE cover the great Australian emu war of 1932. Think of the children
It was just 3 dudes with machine guns durring the great depression, it honestly should be called the "half assed extermination" and not a war.
Shockingly paying farmers to shot the birds eating their crops was more effective.
Oh yes, the founding fathers loved taking things from the Iroquois. Political ideals, advice, LAND. But, in the year 1900, there were around 200,000 American Indians according to US census records. Approaching the year 2000, there were almost 2,000,000. That's one hell of a resurgence. A very small shred of optimism in an otherwise tragic history.
Yeah you don't get to play that card. The reason there is a resurgence is because Latin Americans are actually mixed Indian and are often the only indigenous people with "Indian Blood" remaining in any areas where we've settled in large numbers and often get counted to inflate Indian populations. Which is fine, but not because we're of the same tribes. Most of us are Arawak, Aztec, Inca, and so on. We're the Mestizos or the mixed descendants of Iberian/French/Italian mixed Europeans and Indians. The actual local indigenous tribes of the United States are so broken that it'll be lucky if they make it to 2100 let alone to the next 200 years due to how little Native American bloodlines remain as 100% indigenous and if they were wise they'd marry Hispanics so that they get a resurgence of indigenous genes back into their respective communities especially to the tribes who are only 30-60% indigenous blood with 40-70 and growing European ancestry. Also the United States should honor it's treaties and cede back all the lands it stole and if it can't or won't then at least honor our heritage and promise to protect our contributions to the Americas for posterity. >.>
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5124484/
www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/genetically-theres-no-such-thing-mexican-n129866
@@jalicea1650 Would you happen to know about any reliable sorces of information regarding native American mythology? I like to write about different mythologies but don't know enough about native American myths to form a whole story. I like hide behinds, Yenaldooshi, and Wendigo but don't know enough to bind things together.
Each Indigenous region has their mythologies for example Quetzalcoatl or the feathered serpent appears repeatedly throughout Meso-American history as a "dragon" god. He is worshiped by the Olmec, Maya and Aztecs to varying degrees and with different names similar to Zeus or Jupiter. Same concept, but with varying powers and importance, but always significant enough to be adored or at best respected among those nations.
Then you have the Raven deities or the "Loki" of Indigenous myths. This falls under several umbrella mythologies which have a common root and found in the American Southwest. The raven god(s) is a trickster and wise deity, but also is known to take the form of a coyote in certain mythologies. (Depending on the tribe)
The Indigenous Arawak survive in the Carribbean, but only in genetic and not cultural or linguistic significance due to the impact of genocide, but in Venezuela a Taino Arawak tribe survives on as a relic population which still upholds my ancestors old ways. Some roots can be found in some common foods we share, few words like hurricane, Hammock and Yucca which have indigenous origins. Have some fun learning about Native American Mythologies which can't be stated to be one narrative, but a myriad as unique and varied as European, African and Asian. The only common narrative which is truly universal is the arrival of European settlers and their impacts both positive and negative.
www.ancient.eu/Quetzalcoatl/
@@jalicea1650 Thanks for the info! The idea is that my characters typically travel the world so I could have a character travel across America seeing different tribes and regions. I'll be sure to do lots of research.
That is quite misleading LOL. The entire population of the United States has grown drastically since 1900 not just the Native Americans. What's more accurate would be what percentage of the population are they now and what percentage of the population were they in 1900? Have they become a bigger percentage? If not... Nothing has really changed everyone's numbers have grown
The story of how the 5 regions were united reminds me of Avatar: The Last Airbender but in reverse.
And then everything changed when...one guy said"hey guys lets stop fighting"
And then everything changed when the British attacked.
No, seriously when are we gonna fight wars with Yu-Gi-O Battles?!?!
Jackie A ITS TIME TO DU-DU-DU-DUEL!
I mean think about it. No blood shed, luck and skill based game that can change at any time. You have to think and plan ahead. Seriously, why haven't we just replaced the rules of war with the rules of Yu-Gi-Oh, Battle Spirits, Vanguard etc.?
and with the fast progression in developement of VR that shouldn´t be THAT hard.........aaaaand it would follow the logic of the anime "No Game No Life" wich would be pretty awesome
Yu-Gi-O is an impossible substitute for war.
It lacks the income for military equipment providers, who will in turn try to make this not happen.
Secondly it levels all nations out as equals - disregarding population, recourcess etc.
Thirdly the military is a major source of all kinds of technology wich gets civic use later on.
I suggest remotecontrolled giant robots fistfighting.
Don't forget that since Yu-gi-oh is copyright by Konami, and they can decide the distribution of cards + rules + ban lists, it would mean that Konami would become the undisputed rulers of the planet.
The horror!
Haudenosaunee, iroqoui was a French attempt to say a word that was used to describe the people of the long house. By a rival tribe that called them the snake people. Some French trappers heard and tried to repeat the word they heard. Thank you for making this video.
Awesome video for the times we are in now. Lots of respect for the time you spent on this. ✌️
Well done!
I can empathize on how difficult it can be to find sources for Native American history. I just covered Iroquois Mythology in a podcast episode on here, and the earliest written sources I could find were written after the War of 1812. (Shoutout to the super badass David Cusick who taught himself English just so he could share their stories!)
Thats the downside to Oral record keeping, theres no books to dig up from the time period.
But even if they did have a writing system it doesn't mean we can understand it, just look at the Incan Rope-knot system (forgot the name). We have no idea what they mean just that they are "written" records.
@@jasonreed7522It sounds like that's a downside of relying too strongly on physical records, not of oral tradition. Oral tradition is refined over many generations, making it highly optimized for long-term integrity, to compensate for the lack of physical records. This integrity is lost through cultural exchange, though, because the oral records become detached from their cultural context.
@@SynthApprentice my first paragraph was on objective downside of oral traditions. If you don't carve something in stone to be preserved for a long time, and instead rely on a relay race of torch passing, it only takes 1 generation to drop a torch that can never be pucked back up. (Say if invaders from another continent destroy your society)
The latter part is an objective downside of physical records. Just because you wrote something in the most widely spoken language of your time doesn't mean anyone will ever be capable of translating it 5,000 years later.
But one final consideration, we know a lot about ancient Sumeria's economy because they took great efforts to preserve the relatively fragile clay tablets that they considered to be important documents. (Governments hang onto tax records, and buisnesses hang onto receipts and invoices incase they need them to settle disputes later.) These sorts of records just aren't the type of thing you would generally bother preserving in oral traditions. Instead you preserve tales that explain the world as you know it, and major historical events because these will be immediately useful to the future generations that hear them, and the fact bob sold 5kg if poor copper ore to dave for 8 electrum coins isn't.
Ultimately both have a place and you shouldn't rely completely on 1 or the other, but having physical records is never a bad thing.
@@jasonreed7522 > "(say if invaders from another continent destroy your society)"
Your argument here is that genocide can erase the history of a society. Which, yes, that's what cultural erasure is. That's not a downside to oral tradition. The same thing happened in the sacking of Alexandria, when the library was burned. Colonization was a black swan event that the Iroquois had no possible way to anticipate. You might as well blame Hiroshima for their lack of fallout shelters.
But let's just take a quick look at how well oral tradition can hold up when it's not facing outright erasure. Iroquois wouldn't accept new laws unless those laws could explain how they would affect each of the next 7 generations. That means they expected the laws to be carried out for at least 7 generations, on oral tradition alone. Compare that to how well we can remember life before MySpace. The evidence shows that with proper cultural practice, the integrity of oral tradition is comparable to physical records. The practice was optimized for this exact reason.
@@jasonreed7522 > "my first paragraph was on objective downside of oral traditions."
but it's NOT an objective downside. It's not objective at ALL. It's actually a rather controversial issue. It only seems like it's "objective" if you've only ever learned one side of the story.
> "(Say if invaders from another continent destroy your society)"
That's exactly what happened with the sacking of Alexandria, though. Countless books were lost forever when the world's largest library burned to the ground. That has nothing to do with oral tradition, and everything to do with violently erasing the existence of a civilized society. (TH-cam won't let me use the "G" word.) Colonization was a black swan event that the Iroquois had no possible way to anticipate. There was nothing they could have done to prevent that damage.
The issue is that oral traditions are often (inaccurately!) characterized as an unreliable game of Telephone, when in fact they're incredibly sophisticated systems of keeping records. The Iroquois clearly expected oral tradition to preserve their laws for at least 7 generations (roughly 150-200 years), or else they wouldn't have bothered to make it a requirement for new laws to explain how they would affect each of those generations.
I've always really liked the Iroquois, I find them to be an absolutely fascinating people group. Thanks for giving more background on them.
I especially loved the systems they had in place, they are an example of how the desire for peace and coexistence isn't something only evident today. They were also able to adapt to the arrival of the Western nations (for good or ill), engaging in trade, and adopting some things from the West.
And, just in responding to some comments I've seen: every people group has committed atrocities of some kind. No nation or culture has been entirely free of some sort of wrongdoing and that includes modern nations, as well as the Native Americans. The Iroquois are generally above average, but unfortunately, they also made mistakes. When looking at the Native Americans of the time, as a whole, there were plenty of good guys, but there were also several tribes who were incredibly brutal and did horrific things, even to fellow Native Americans (who in their minds were enemies, not at all comrades). The Native Americans weren't perfect, wars and invasions existed even before the Western nations showed up, but many of them committed atrocities that were on another scale. But, it is really inspiring to see a people group like the Iroquois, who serve as a real example in several ways not only to their fellow tribes at the time, but also modern nations.
I prefer the Cherokee, they invented the best Jeep I've ever driven.
Actually not true. Wars didn't start breaking out more frequently until the Europeans arrived, we didn't have ideas of borders and owning the land till the Europeans came, they wanted land so much, the stronger tribes wanted to remain in their lands they lived in for so long and too keep the Europeans at bay had no choice but adopt the idea of borders and taking land, which are ideas we never had before, and it didn't help that diseases nearly made us extinct, which is why lots of kidnappings between nations happened, it had less to do with the fact that they wanted to take other nations people's to assert dominance, and more to do with the fact that they were trying to keep their populations in check cause the diseases Europeans brought killed alot of members within their communities.
Many Europeans when they first showed up described the first nations as being very free.
@@arthas640 HAHAHA pls
@@BudokaiMan-mr9tw well true but you can’t deny that we have just as brutal of a history as the Europeans
My Great-Grandmother was Iroquois so this is very interesting to me! I always wanted to learn more about her culture, but as it stands I was always very confused by what I found online, and she died before I was born so I could never ask. Thank you for making this. :)
What tribe was she?
"A little known gentlemen's club called 'congress..."
I just realised that Michael Rosen’s “no breathing in class!” Poem is actually talking about the horrific shit that they did in residential schools
I have Iroquois/Ojibwe heritage and this has been a learning experience into my roots
Niawenko for this, it's great to see accurate information that some people probably never got to learn about. I'm half Mohawk/half Oneida so I grew up learning about this.
I still remember my dad buying me a book on Iroquois folklore during a business trip and me being absolutely enamored with both the stories and history it discussed. Love and respect for any Iroquois out there reading this.
- A Caucasian American woman
Damn I wish America still had that 7 generations things
The museums of western New York and the tribal communities themselves have great exhibits. They detail from as far back as they can. The Rochester museum and science center has an amazing display showing how the Iroquois settled our area. Along with the history of how Europeans treated and in some cases worked with the Iroquois. They have the good and the bad.
Thank you helping to spread our story. Much appreciated.
Small correction. On your map at 2:00, the Oneida are next to the Mohawk, not the Onondaga. Onondaga are the middle territory of the five, flanked on the left by the Cayuga, and on the right by the Oneida. And the Haudenosaunee don't refer to themselves as Iroquois. That was the name given by the Algonquin and picked up by the French. It means "murderers" and was meant as an insult. Haudenosaunee, "people of the longhouse" is the proper term for the six nations. I am Mohawk.
Hey Blue you should check out what happened with the tribes in Wisconsin. They actually got a Treaty signed and though it was partially ignored for most of U.S. history but in the mid to late 1900s they were able to get some of their traditional practices enforced and protected by state and federal law. Its actually really cool to see what they did
My spouse is Oneida! He has taught me a lot of his culture and history: also trying to teach me the language. (Difficult)
Its nice to see people making videos or having a conversation about the tribes and their history since it is always being over-looked.
Also, fry bread is amazing, so it corn soup. Go have some if you haven't. ❤️
You could do a history summarized on ancient India
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That would take at least 4 videos ! :D
There was no single ancient India. You had literally thousands of nations! Hundreds of languages....
That summary is going to be half a day's worth of content.
I'd much rather see three kingdoms era china.
Ur talking about Indians right not natives the Indians
I still remember back in Freshman year of high school during my Ancient World History class. We had been given an assignment to pick a culture from history, do research, and determine whether or not they counted as a civilization/society (I forget the exact criteria but I remember a written language was one of them). I concluded that the Iroquois definitely counted, my teacher disagreed. Still think to this day that he was in the wrong on that one.
Man your teacher must've been an idiot because a culture *absolutely* doesnt need to have a written language to exist. My condolences for that experience
I am part Cayuga Iroquois as my great grandmother married an "Englishmen" going against the protests of her own parents!! Thank you for the video it is very well presented!! Great job explaining my people!!!
We learned a lot about Amerindian in high school, even more than the history of Canada itself (well, they're kind of mix together anyway). We learned about the cultures of Algonquian, Iroquoian and bunch of others. We talked about their way of life, laws, religions, clothes, food, sex life, etc...
In comparison, the usa was merely just a footnote. There was a mention about a war for independence once and how it was kinda good for our wood trades... but that was pretty much it.
The way it got taught though this may have been from an old history book that went into more details on our History/more storydriven, for instance did you know we had a battle of thermopole? It was about half dozen frenchmen and about 40 huron defending against hundreds of Iroquois and while they were defeated the Iroquois losses were high enough that they were intimidated by their enemies enough to leave to the french and huron alone for awhile.
Anyhow in gest the book was kinda pro all the Iroquois' enemies. And it sounds more from that book that the Huron, algonquin were the good guys while the Iroquois come across as monsters like that of the huns. So it was interesting hearing the other side though it felt like they were being played up like how blue played up how good a satanic people like the mongols were.
Wow, almost 150k! Great job guys!
Crazycanadian Manga hey i scrolled all the way down....
This actually explains so much! in the past, when a nation tries to over throw a monarchy to set up a democracy, it ends terribly. (see: The French Revolution) and i wondered why the U.S. did so well--i assumed it was just luck, or if anything it was because we were just a colony pushing away a monarchy with a mainland an ocean away--but this makes so much more sense! The American Revolution was so successful because we had an already successful model to base our system on. Thanks Blue, this shit finally makes sense.
So also the women Were highly powerful, farmers, mother earth and the men hunted beaver and fought for both sexes helped with the Congress. Peaceful until American white people intruded on their land, which caused the French and Indian war, I'm French and Indian. I love and iam spiritual and proud. Jacqueline Theresa Baker
We formed a Constitutional Republic in the USA.
That’s a really nice sentiment but it’s just that naval logistics were a bitch in the 18th-19th century. I mean if the us was In Europe the British would have crushed us due to the sheer strength of the British army. Supply lines and a lack of support for the war are what gave America independence, well that and bankrupting the French.
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Home field advantage helped too, also Spain.
@@richlopez5896 which is a democracy
4:17 that’s interesting, I was reading up on my Taino heritage a while ago and I found out that the Tainos used to do something similar with a ball game called Batéy. I don’t remember much but what I do remember is that it helped settle disputes and may have been indirectly inspired by the Ball Game the Mayan’s played.
Being from upstate New York, I found this particularly interesting! Thanks for another great video!
As someone who lives in Upstate NY, I was taught about the Iroquois by actual Native Amaericans. Their culture is so rich and amazing. Thank you so much for a video on them, as they are overlooked so much.
Here in Canada we pronounce it like “Eerokwa”
I was thinking this guy doesn't know how to pronounce Iroquois
@@JIMIIXTLAN yep Americans pronounce it this way in the video, although those of us who are actually Iroquois say Haudenosaunee lol
Yeah, this is the correct pronunciation. It's a french naming, and 'oi' makes a 'wa' sound.
Blame Quebec. Which for nine provinces and three territories, seems to be the general response to everything. Of course the same can be said of Blame Ontario, and Blame Alberta....
I love this video! This has really brought me closer to a chapter in my family’s story! (I’m half Mohawk) I never realized how much the Iroquois as a whole shaped this country’s history
What he's doing with Amerindian history videos is what he should've done with his African history videos. Focus on different ethnic groups, civilization, kingdoms and empires rather than lumping them all together in one short video that was more about the ills of colonization than actual little known African history. Just like the Maya, Aztecs, and Inca in the Americas you have Kush, Songhai, Mali, Wagadu (Ghana), Axum, Ajuraan, Makuria, Nobatia, Ashanti, Ife, Yoruba, Benin, etc. Some of these societies have a decent amount of contemporary written accounts. Just a suggestion.
Otherwise, good video. I need to learn more about Amerindian history, my older interests have lead me to focus more on Sub Saharan African, Medieval western Europe and Chinese history, though.
Where exactly in Sub-Saharan Africa?
+Mercurial Man yeah I was asking about your area of interest in Sub-Saharan Africa, I'm South African, but I can see it's Western Africa. I agree with you but I also just looked at it as a conversation starter really, I did comment that they barely scratched the surface BUT I think it was important to start it and that's how they started it and I'm not too mad at that as long as they follow up with more in-depth analysis of the different regions.
P.S Great Zimbabwe is in Southern Africa, an area that's seldom looked at :/
Fair point, but… Amerindian? Really?
@@Pablo360able The word i belive he is looking for is "Native American"
@Brano13177 I know that's the word he is looking for, what I have a hard time understanding is why Amerindian is the word he ended up finding. I have never before or since heard anyone use that word, ever, in any context.
You should do a similar video on the Comanche Empire. I recently read "Empire of the Summer Moon", and it was a great breakdown of how the horse lords of the southern plains rose, fell, and I reacted with the westward expansion of Mexico, Texas, and the US.
USA: Base their government on the Haudenosaunee government and copy most of their laws. Then, start expelling the Haudenosaunee of their ancestral lands.
SUch a thankful bunch of peoples :D
You want to know something funny about the Iroquois is they made a habit out of selling other people's land. When Pennsylvania wanted land from the Delaware they bought it from the Iroquois who agreed and forced the Delaware from their land. When Virginia was looking for land in Kentucky a place almost no Iroquois lived in they were the ones who sold it to Virginia.
Hey, a greedy white dude comes over and says "I'll give you money for your land over there." Not our problem if he didn't do enough research to know we didn't own it at the time.
@@shrike6243 seems equally greedy on both parts. This exact behaviour of the greedy whiteys and Iroqois is what displaced the legendary Tekumseh's people.
@@Stephen-uz8dm As an Iroquois, sounds like Tecumseh's problem.
@@shrike6243 hell yeah I agree just pointing out the absence of some moral high ground here
I know this comment is kind of old, but to my understanding the only land deals that were valid had to be brought up with the grand council and to my knowledge none were ever past. So it would be like your kid selling your neighbour house to some one, and that neighbour not being able to hold his/her ground
In Canada (Quebec), we are thought this in third grade. We spent the whole year learning about this in history.
I remember we specifically learned about the Iroquois, the Algonquin and the Incas
Us in America just brush over the fact that anyone was ever here before the 1600's.
taught*
@@gangrenousgandalf2102 speak for yourself. My school spent quite a lot of time teaching us about the first nations.
We then cover it again in the beginning of Grade 9.
To clarify the origin of the Constitution section, there is very much a strong kernel of truth to it, but it is somewhat exaggerated. When Benjamin Franklin was writing up his version of the Articles of Confederation (please don't confuse this with the Articles of Confederation that were actually put in place), he was HEAVILY inspired by the Iroquois. That is, in fact, why he used the word Confederation. Franklin's Confederation was, however, rejected. The articles of Confederation that we briefly operated under did very little to unite us as a nation. Actually, the vagueness concerning certain issues, and the lack of power to enforce others, led to border conflicts between some of the states. When the Constitution was created, that document borrowed from some of the framework that Franklin had designed, which means that some of the Iroquois influence would have been carried over. That would have been combined with the strong influence of the British Parliamentary model as well. So, yes, the structure of the Iroquois Confederation did play a vital role in the formation of the American system of government, but it wasn't anything close to being a copy of it.
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@@TsulaAngenati2292 I did not even remember typing this out LMAOOO has it been three years already??
@@fan-sy9fs yes, yes it has been XD
Thank you so much for covering this! Don’t learn much of any Native American history here in England so I’m only just learning, and I’m fascinated!
History Summarized is honestly one of my favorite youtube shows.
And next to crank this "caught in the middle of other people's conflicts" cover the Baltic States especially Latvia. 800 years of being in the actual middle of German, Swedish, Polish and Russian free for all. Including having the dubious honor to host a portion of the Eastern Front in both World Wars. Also a freezing swampy hellhole. Man, now I miss my home again.
Fun facts about the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois)
1. In spite of hardship the Iroquois are still United and have retained their traditional government.
2. The Iroquois are the only First Nation with its own passport.
3. According to Cosmo archaeology the Iroquois were founded on August 31st 1142 CE.
4. When analyzed the Iroquois are the fourth longest standing civilization in human history, and the only recorded civilization to have survived apocalyptic conditions with its government intact.
The Long house was great part of the story. However, it is interesting that historic photos, show plains Indian Tipis in the background.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. And cringed.
I live in New York, more specifically western New York, and I think this video is pretty cool because it refreshes the knowledge that has been taught to me all throughout my years in school upon the Iroquois confederation.
This video is great. Some of my family is seneca and growing up in buffalo ny we’re taught about the five great nations, however I always wondered if other states had any native American teachings in the history/social studies classrooms.
I've seen Extra credits' version of this and now this one and it's cool
Oh you mentioned it already, oops
Thank you for adding captions to your content
I'd like this video twice if I could, for the Extra History shout out. In lieu of that - YOU'RE AWESOME!
".....really? Well, I'm from Utica, and I've never met any Iroquois."
Gorthaur 🤣
They're an Albany people
I'm from Syracuse and have known some Onondagas. The principal of my high school was a chief in the Onondaga and my 11th grade social studies teacher was Onondaga. We played them in lacrosse and occasionally other sports. I've been on their reservation and I own a lacrosse stick made by the famous stick maker Alf Jacques. I've always had great respect for their philosophies. Lacrosse is called the "Creators Game" and was used for all types of healing. You play for the enjoyment of the Creator so he will look favorably on the players and their families. Very interesting people!
I always love hearing about people looking at our place in history. It’s kind of weird for me personally being a bit of a history buff and coming from the Onondaga nation.
Thank you for this video. I learned a lot and I really enjoyed the format, clarity, and humor. I would like to use it in my classroom, but because of the word's "damn" and "hell" I cannot use it. Either way, I LOVED it thanks again.
This is a really, really good video. Will share with my class!!
Blue, am I correct to guess that you have a bone to pick with Assassin's Creed?
Seriously though, I can understand if you do. While it prides itself as historically accurate (and they do better than most Hollywood movies), its way of simplifying history by making famous figures into Assassins, Templars or pawns in their game, as well as downplaying human accomplishments by saying they were aided by alien artifacts really takes out what makes history so interesting.
Actually I have a lot of respect for what Assassin's Creed has done over the years. Yeah, they cut some corners and simplify for the sake of the game's story, but I can say that if not for that series, I would not be making these videos right now. I think they (more so the early games, but the latter ones too) do a great job of making you feel like you're in a moment in time. In AC3 especially, they do a great job of showing how much the Mohawk nation wanted to stay neutral. It's a major plot point in the game's story.
Again, they definitely do a lot of simplifying, but for the sheer accomplishment of creating a believable world and showing history *in the moment*, I think it does much more good than bad.
Much like my videos, AC is a jumping off point into history. For that, I think it does its job.
-B
On that point, we are in an agreement. Though it does not all things right, the series definitively a good starting point for any historical subject you may wish to tackle. I remembered I used to be entirely uninterested in the 18th century colonialism, but AC3 actually got me curious and introduced the finer point of Mohawk culture (They even speak the language, which in of itself is awesome). I remembered after my trip to Rome, I explored it in AC:B to see what they got right, which was quite fun. So in these aspects, AC is pretty great.
Darth Vader: PERHAPS THE IROQUOIS FEEL THEY WERE TREATED UNFAIRLY?
Yea, um, they kinda do! And, eh, not without perfectly legit reasons. Cause, they: WERE...
Okay, I came looking for this video specifically to tell Greg to go read "The Inconvenient Indian' by Thomas King. Now. Do it. Absolutely incredible, heart-breaking book that I'm about halfway through right now, but the guy had me hooked from word one. And yes, the title is meant to be ironic.
Good stuff. Being born in Buffalo NY and grandmother that was Seneca, I remember cold winter days inside while visiting and she would share stories & lessons. It was in her blood.
That bit about the next 7 generations consideration is really cool! Reminds me of the psychohistorians from Foundation (a group of fictitious psychologist -mathmeticians who make formulas for the forecast of the future, and preservation of society)
You kept referring to the Haudenosaunee in the past tense. They still exist. Just not in that self-governed way that was so fricking awesome.
Lysana McMillan three nations never stopped using that system of government, they’re the Tuscarora The Seneca (Tonawanda band) and the Onondaga
this video brought tears to my eyes. Iroquois were a truly a great confederation. It's so sad what's become of native americans now because of the injustices they had to swallow centuries prior.
Thank you. I was hoping for such a lecture on the Iroquois
great video!!! i’m oneida, but i never got to learn any of the history in school sadly. i’m glad you brought up lacrosse too because that’s a hugeeeeee part of my family!
Thank you for the video!
I am onondaga of the Iroquois (hadenosaunee) and appreciate the effort in exploring and explain our history. It's easily overlooked but something I believe public schools should educate a little more in depth to help understand how indigenous nations played a roll in the forming of countries in the new world.
Nya:weh! (thank you)
I live near where the Iroquois lived, (ROCHESTER BABY!) and as part of our classes we must learn about the Iroquois and there history is amazing.
Chloe E i live right down the road (1/2 mi) from where a village once stood
It is generally believed in my family that my grandmothers great grandparents were Seneca. They came up into Canada during the Civil War and settled in the Niagara region of Ontario.
Very well done. I was born and raised in Central NY and I guarantee most of the people I grew up with have zero knowledge of any of this. I always felt a sense of respect and shame whenever I passed the exit for Nedrow on I-81. Anyone from CNY knows exactly what that means.
Local history yay! This is my backyard, literally. I grew up like 15 minutes from the Tuscarora reservation.
2:37 holds true to this day. I live in Canada and unless you have to work or shop or go to the doctors you stay in the house all winter.
Unless your a psycho and like ice fishing, skiing or Ski-dooing.
I'd love to see you guys do a video on Hawai`i. The Pele video by Red was super fun, but our history is even better and is criminally underrepresented.
Very informative, thank you for sharing!
I hate to say it but you didn't make a strong case for the US government being based on the Iroquois. What institutions did they have in common? What mechanics? What rules? Stating this would have helped. I know you have a time limit but still. Also, you didn't mention the Huron/Wendat Nation? Their alliance with the French was one of the main drivers in pushing the French to blows with the Iroquois in the first place.
Well... Maybe you could do a summery for the Wendat to make up for it? :P
Hey Blue, I know it would be difficult, and I'm not a patron, but I wanted to share with you the idea of a precolonial North America. I'm fascinated with the history and culture of the natives, and love your style of video.
That was such a cool video! Damn!
I am from upstate NY so it is really awesome to see some history from my neck of the woods.
You should have mentioned that Alternate History Hub did an episode on the Beaver Wars.
Hey Blue, good vid! But there's a tiny thing you got wrong about the French-Indian war (or 100 years war). The Iroquois actually had a pretty key part to play in the British victory at the plains of Abraham, which is considered a turning point in the fall of New France. Before the battle, Montcalm and the French colonists held a highly defensible position on top of the Cap Diamant in Québec City and could just keep bombarding the English fleet as it tried to sail down the St-Lawrence. Montcalm thought that General Wolfe would therefore attempt to land at Beauport, north of the city, and went there with a garrison to defend that beachhead. But Wolfe learned from the Iroquois allies that there was a narrow, steep defile that could be used to climb up to city level from the riverside just south of the city. So in the dead of night, Wolfe slipped his troops on rowboats across the river to that spot and started climbing while the Iroquois took care of the sentries with silent bows. By the time the sun rose, Wolfe and his armies were facing the city on the south side of the plains and the French response was so disorganized because of the surprise factor (and a night of drinking) that they lost the battle for the city, despite Wolfe sustaining a mortal wound. If the Iroquois hadn't helped set up this victory, who knows what the fate of the colonies would have been?
Alexandre Careau hey good comment but there a tiny thing you got wrong about the French Indian war. It was the 7 years war not the 100 years war
Thank you so much for this
I remember me and my dad making one of those longhouses for a project once. Don’t remember what it was for, but it was fun!
"Hooray for the murderous cold!"
My new motto
We really ought to go back and pick up that part where before passing a new law, we have to consider how it will affect the next seven generations.
Great video!! That game they played actually looks a lot like Shinty(from Scotland). Very cool~!
The shout out to @extracredits History is a good nod. Well job OSP!
I really appreciate Canadian schooling, was able to spend a lot of time learning about the First Nations. Truly an amazing assortment of cultures.
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2. Use Ostich silhouettes
3. ??????
4. Profit. :)
We squished him like a bug!
Thanks for explaining the cultural significance of the longhouse thing, it kind of gives you a vague sense of what their societal values mightve been like.
I loved that you add AC 3 moments in your video