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"The first peoples were promised many things." Like a part 1 of this series.
Us: When’s Part 1 about the reservations coming out, Grey?
Grey: TIFFANYYYYYYYYY
:o)))
You just made me spray coffee out of my nose. I almost died. You owe me a shirt 😂
Hey I get it, I get distracted all the time programing. You have a big huge project with many MANY small bits and pieces its easy to get distracted. The Tiffany video took 6 months, so I doubt this one will take less than 5 years:P
Also Grey: Hexagons are the Bestagons
agreed my guy
Ah yes, the series that ended with Part 0.
Maybe the other 9 parts got smallpox
@@johnistvanffy8603 Oh that's a really clever reference. Loved it!
It took him for 4 years I think to make this so
Maybe it's like the Yakuza games. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 0, 6, 7.
I thought there was a part 2
The Indian series may become CGP Grey's Half-Life 3.
although in this case it's Half-Life 1 that's mising
He didn't even go past zero. Grey out here making Gabe look like Count von Count.
I very much hope he releases them one day, but seeing how over the last few years this has only become a much more sensitive topic, he might just play it safe and not.
Omg Indian Pt 1 confirmed!
@@swiftydialogues where you see that
He's actually going to deliver on that sacred promise: "But that's a story for another time"
we did it reddit lol
There's nothing sacred about the Sequels
There are so many "for other time" im amazed hes delivering it
@@Mexican00b I swear if he does an updated Brexit video I'll lose my damn mind lol
Finally Makes Sense I thought that too when I got the notification of this too lmao
People accuse Valve of being unable to count to 3. Many fear that CGP Grey cannot get to 1.
"Possibly the far future"
*Uploaded 30 minutes ago*
Yes indeed
Martin Anthonio16 you realize this video will probably exist for years right?
-(though if TH-cam keeps on doing what it’s doing then this comment might have merit than it should)-
(Skates by on hoverboard)
NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURD
Greetings from the distant future of one hour later. We find your primitive ways fascinating.
@ spoken like an athropologist
Eric Lee are you saying the country is bad and dumb or the federal government?
Checkpoint 2024: Still no Part 1. I'm doing good, eating pizza roles and vibing.
Checkpoint 8 months into 2024: still no part 1.
American Indian - not to be confused with Indian American
Man, that is indo american
accquizzer I’m 🇬🇧
Once you study history more, you will find that india and china was here before europe. So some could have been both...
@@caniget600subscriberswitho5 I m Indian
well just stick with desi im tired of telling people im not from a tribe
Some people will get stuck on part 7, some in part 4 or even in part 1.
But not grey hes gonna get stuck on part 0...
Now, ain't that the most Grey thing ever.
there are always comments that say "haha welcome to grey" but they never explain why, so my question is why does this happen? is it schedule overlap?
@@blauwbeer556 It takes Grey a while to do his research, double check all his facts, run his scripts by professionals, and all the similar things needed to ensure his information is as accurate as he can make it. Between getting banned, Covid and other sudden opportunities, some videos may have taken priority over others. Also, as an unfortunate note, this could very well have been dropped because of his suspension, Grey realized a topic like this was going to get his channel banned. I hope it's the former reasons, but it's hard to be 100% sure.
Edit: I double checked dates, his suspension ended then he released this video, so who knows.
@@minecraft15555 i mean sure but grey himself did spend *years* to ask questions, to make topics and do research. the fact that he didn't upload a part 1 in the last year even after years of research is odd even for grey. and the suspension thing, ngl i don't see why grey would get a suspension by talking about indians. yeah sure, covid takes is the priority but pirates? did he seriously just give up after such a big project or is it still worked on eventhough he worked on it for years. i am actually so confused.
@@minecraft15555 if you watch his video on the topic, you will learn that his account was suspended for faultly thinking it is impersonating him ... for some reason.
Clearly a stupid ai mistake.
@@blauwbeer556 that's the cost of quality mate.
As a Native Afro-Eurasian, I find this all very interesting.
Indubitabley.
As a native Earthling, I have to concur
As a thing formed from space dust, I also find this very interesting
As someone made of quarks, this was incredibly interesting.
As a thing that may or may not exist, I also find this very interesting.
As a Native American I personally refer as myself as a native just because there’s no confused with Indians referring to someone who is from India
Now we know "American Indians" are from Asia, and it wasn't even directly form India, not for 60,000 years anyways. More It was really Siberia, Korea, Japan, and Kazakhstan, not India. Possibly also Mongolia, China, Taiwan and Southeast Asia.
Same, I know many people from India so I just call myself Native
THANK YOU
@@JamesSmith-by3qy Now we know "Europeans" are from Asia, and it was Central Asia.
@@Sporkonafork1 complete lie, do some research
“We can now move on too the next part”
*over 1 year later*
Two years later.
Grunion Shaftoe Nah just one and change so far
To be fair, it was _quite_ a year...
*to
@Lego and guitar dude 2 five years
How’s Part 1 coming along, Grey?
Lmao
Yeah what the heck
Grey always takes his time. He's doing great
Probably got caught up with COVID since he’s gonna have to visit a lot of reservations abroad. But yeah it’s pretty ironic it has to be out on hold again after 5 years of wait lol
I am looking forward to part 1
This can’t be the real grey, he’s uploading too much
That's what I was thinking the algorithm had glitched about. XD
He probably built an AI that produces and uploads videos on his behalf.
Not just too much, but he's actually telling the stories for another time.
He spent 5 years uploading little because he was working on this project.
Must be a bot, QUICK, TO THE MAILING LIST !
CGP Grey: "We can now move on to the next part."
Galadriel: "But they were, all of them, deceived; for another part was not made."
For anyone wondering where the follow up video is, I imagine he wanted to do some in person research in the States for this series. Covid probably pushed this back for the foreseeable future
What he already did in person research in the States for this video tekoi and the longest road
@@davidberry1618 But neither of those had him talking to people in person.
I think he’s already done a lot of in person reserch
@@woodsytheowlscharedcorpse4761 he probably did talk to people in person, he probably didn't show it on camera because of privacy and all that
In "Grey was wrong" he talks about his mistake with the tekoi video and says that he was visiting idian reservations so i imagine he is still working on it.
"So who called them Indians? "
"Well, we did"
"And Who changed to Native Americans? "
"Well, we did"
"And you feel better"
"Yeah yeah much better"
Trevor Noah fan?
As an Asian Indian, I was told Christopher Columbus lost their way to India and stumbled upon America. That's why they thought the Americans were Indians and called them that.
@@net_lag That is true
XD
@@net_lag that's not the point, they were called indians by Americans (or Britain), and Americans then change it out of Americans' discomfort, without any considerate to the American Indians (or Native Americans) at all. That's the irony
"Thats a story for another time" pays off.
I was not expecting you here, DPad!
I did not know you are a cgp grey viewer d-pad!
@@pewdiepieisstillabadyoutub4490 :D
@@zacharyiguess Yeah, been watching for quite some years now.
Federal Land ✅
Troubles ✅
Indian Reservations ✅
Free Will ❓
"I'm not some kind of modified-American. I'm an American, and I'm an Indian." That's how a Menominee elder explained it to me. The term "Native-American" felt dismissive to him. I taught at a tribal college, and I went to conferences at tribal colleges all over the country, and the only elder I heard speak in favor of "Native American" was a Cherokee elder I saw on TV once. Everyone else who gave an opinion solidly preferred Indian. And yes, it's always ok to ask.
Thank boarding schools for that mentality, colonistic mindsets.
So this is why Grey was driving in the middle of nowhere USA.
:: Taps nose ::
CGP Grey Either you did something intentionally to make it seem like it was just a random trip or you come off as just that kind of person that would take such a trip - probably a mix of both? Regardless, well played :)
"Nowhere USA" feck aff.
Drove to ...reservations
I was wondering if that could be you that flew past me on the highway in Northern Arizona with part of the license plate being "GREY?"
So the terms I've heard most working with Apaches are:
1. Natives
2. Indians
Pretty much never the full "Native American."
In Canada we call them First Nations, as a general term. But you can narrow it down to the Mi’kmaqq, Inuit, and Blackfoot. From there you can only differentiate them by the specific tribes.
@@coolperson8272 I'm gonna assume the difference between those three is similar to the difference between a Mediterranean, slav, and a Scandinavian?
@@coolperson8272 that's three of the at least 50 different first nations across Canada. Mi'kmaq are Maritimes into NB, Blackfoot confederacy was 4 nations across Montana, Saskatchewan and Alberta, and Inuit is actually a grouping of a few culturally similar artic nations. there's a lot of gaps with just your list.
@@wyattroncin941 I know, lmao. I’m not going to list them all, am I?
Eskimo is actually better than Inuit
Wait grey delivered on his promise:
“But thats a story for another time”
My first thought
After all these years...how many other stories for another times can we get?
Still waiting for that family genetics video
At this rate I'll probably establish myself as dictator of a small nation before CGP Grey releases Part 1.
Well don't lose your keys.
Everyone here is like ""oh wow in my language it actually makes sense" while I'm sitting and wondering how come Grеy upload 4 videos in a week.
Shhhh, just let it happen and enjoy it
Miguel Alberola Cano
The quality hasn’t gone down.
The only difference is that these videos are slightly shorter than his older videos.
Same Quality, Higher Quantity, just less time per each.
Which makes sense as to why he is uploading so much, as he doesn’t have to write a massive script and can write shorter scripts much faster.
He also may have someone editing for him, I have no idea
Me too
@@freddykrueger8076 that was alot of thought into the matter
grey got put on hold by youtube...
Grey: "Perhaps Far in the future"
Me: he's right 2 minutes is a long time.
Siberian Americans : this is the proper name for these people that brings proper perspective and uniformity with other Americans.
My uncle is faster.
55 mins
Technically he had to record and edit days/weeks before you saw it
You didn’t even get the quote right. Lol
As a Shawnee "Native American" I honestly don't care, because that's what people have described me as. Hell, I even describe myself as an Indian. I feel like sometimes people try to represent natives as whites. They feel like, "Oh, they don't have the platform" when we really do. I don't find Indian offensive, and I can see why others do, but it feels like white people are being offended for us.
(Also it was cool to see my tribe in that big list LOL)
“you have to call them that because thats the more politically term”
I say Native American as to not cause confusion with Indians from India.
It's more of voice memory for me to call native Americans indians
That's much of what the BLM movement is now -- whites being offended for blacks
@@jahenders i mean, check the protest demographics. whites arent turning out all that much.
To this day I don't know if this idea was scrapped or he's STILL working on it all these years later.
"We have always been at war with Afro-Eurasia."
Underappreciated comment
Yes we have
I just love our allies at Afro-Eastasia
All hail Oceania.
We have always been Allies with east aisa
I would like to point out we watched a 6 minute prerequisite.
Welcome to Indian Law in the U.S.A it's long it's dense and it's difficult, that would be why Tribes lose higher % cases in the Supreme Court than Convicted felons. When you need a prereq to even understand the language and its consequences how are you ever going to get to the issues?
@@carlpetersen3147 This isn't a prereq to understand the language.
This is a prereq to understand the *name*
@@deathbower a name is language, I was referring to the complexity of everything adjacent to understanding the issues of Native people.
@@carlpetersen3147 He's agreeing with your general point by emphasizing that we haven't even gotten to language yet. Just the first word. And it still takes a whole video to explain.
trigger warning video lol
Hé didn’t lie, he actually did the story another time
RIGHT??! The mad lad!
I don't get the reference
He said in the national land video that Indian reservations are a story for another time
What
@@woosix7735 thank you very much for explaining the reference
I sure am looking forward to go watch the next part! :D
Probably a lot of people will see this in 9 years when youtube randomly recommends this to them
Sosi yeah lol
Unless coppa kills it, of course
I am a Asian guy living on a native reserve. When I first moved there I used Native American and I got the most deadpan uncomfortable looks.
Just say Native, or Indian. Personally I prefer if people just call us the name of our tribe.
@@Xd-uq5zo Feels weird. I would not like it if people referred to me by my genetic heritage and I'm not sure I can do that to a person and feel okay with it.
@@Barnaclebeard So you're against calling Germans "Germans"?
Why are you living on one?
Sakakaka I think they’re saying they want to be referred to by nationality instead of ethnicity. I myself am an example, as a Singaporean-Chinese, I would much rather be referred to as a Singaporean than a Chinese person.
Can't believe we are finally getting the story for another time
Next up, Settlers of Catan
I'm a proud Native Afro-Eurasian-Austrailian-Northern-Southern-Amarican With extra cheese and that shrimp dipping sauce on the side
? That real?
The combination would just be «Afro-Eurasian-Australian-American» though 😕... or as I like to call it,
*Euraustralafrasiamerican* 😌
Oh yeah... and you forgot Antarctica.
Would you like some fries with that?
I know that it’s a joke, but Terran might work.
Those DNA test kits did that to me too. I used to think I was 100% White before I took DNA test kit!
In Portuguese we have:
Índio - Someone native of the American continent
Indiano - Someone from India.
In germany we have Indianer (native Americans) and Inder (People from India)
Then what do you call someone from Indiana?
@@abren5974 Einwohner Indianas
Indigena is other option as well.
@@paulomelettilestrade for what ?
“Part 0”
*Computer scientists liked that*
is "printf("%d",(1+i));" too hard?
Underrated comment.
@@tae_mx Yes because it has an unmatched parenthesis
@@IAmTheRealSteven stop harrasing me, compiler.
@@tae_mx 'i' is undefined.
'printf' is undefined, perhaps you meant to import stdio.h?
'main' is undefined.
'printf("%d",(1+i));' missing l-value
“This series”
>uploaded 2 months ago
Ok then
4 months and counting
welcome to the channel!
I mean, this video was the quota for 2019 *and* 2020. See you in 2021.
The Blue Phoenix: Captain Gamer 2021? We're going out in April!
Guys, you can't expect a promised follow-up from another video out of Grey for at least 2 years.
Can we though Grey? Can we move on to the next part?
Talking with a Navajo friend.
Q: Do you prefer Indian or Native American?
A: I actually prefer Nathan because that is who I am.
Touche!!
ThAt's nOt thE qUeStiOn ThOUgH...
@@Maxime_K-G Insert stupid r/woooosh but the guy doing the r/woooosh gets wooshed cause he didn't understand that the guy was joking.
so everyone in their tribe is a "Nathan"???
@@Mitaka.Kotsuka - He simply wishes to be his own person. I respect that.
I am a Margie not a colored person not a person of color
grey: perhaps long in the future
me: *watches this video 3 minutes after uploading*
This script could have been written years ago.
same
That's not the point. The point is that any recording is essentially timeless.
No matter when you hear what's said in it, it is in the future of when it was said.
@@NLTops i know
Or 26+3
Quick, someone switch “podcaster” and “youtuber” on his wikipedia again.
@TheBrodsterBoy on his wiki page, youtuber or podcaster comes first depending on if his latest release(product?) is a youtube video or a podcast.
@TheBrodsterBoy During his months-long absence he was still actively podcasting, i.e. that would've been considered his primary role in public life, so the joke is that that would've been reflected in his Wikipedia article; and so now that he's started uploading once more, this is no longer the case
we could combine it to podtuber or youcaster two horribly sounding meaningless words
@@markmayonnaise1163 Grey we know its you and stop explaining jokes.
@@NorthX7 just because middle school teachers didn't understand exactly how wikipedia works doesn't mean it's a bad place to start when looking for information
I'm half 'Native American' and half Indian, (the country in Asia) most 'Native American' people I know don't want to be called 'Native American' or 'Indian' what most people of that heritage wish to be called is 'Indigenous'
This is just from my personal experience, I'm from the Pacific Northwest area of the United States. People from different regions will probably prefer different terms.
I hear Indian almost all of (well the term doesn't work if you are one) I have heard say Indian, and only rarely say Indigenous or Native American or Asian.
Indigenous American or just Indigenous? BTW I am not from USA
M8 your math is wrong that's not half half that's Indian squared
I feel like "Indigenous" without the American descriptor would still, in a way, cause confusion. Not within the United States, but outside of it -- since there are other places where the status of indigenous cultures juxtaposed to other cultures are still recognized, like Malaysia and Australia.
Feels like there'd still a layer of overinclusivity since the word can also refer to the native people of other places.
Wasn't it used for oceanian people too ?
Everyone’s gangsta until the animator animates breathing.
I once had my Google Home "sigh" audibly, it freaked me out so much I threw it out.
I prefer my robots monotonous and precise, if I wanted to hear a person speak I'd hire an assistant.
@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 it's google *assistant*
Jay L you ok?
I wanna like your comment but it has 666 likes sooooo
Once my Google Assistant sang for me... it was so unexpected that I almost dropped my phone
In my school they never said “Indian” they always said Native American even more so around me cause my parents are from India
I can see how that could be confusing. :-)
Indian: dot or feather.
NevilleTheDevil Is Yes bet there were a bunch of white guys saying it 😅
In German it is quite easy to make a distinction. "Inder" are the people from India and "Indianer" are the people from North America.
@@barreloffun10 Feathered Indian
And then things get wonderfully confusing when you, like me, live in a place with both a notable American Indian population *and* a notable Indian Indian population.
(Granted, the American Indian folks around here often default to "indigenous", which does make things easier. Though whether they actually prefer that term or are simply trying to accommodate others, I can't say with certainty. Though honestly I find it easier to just say Lummi or Nooksack if I know which local nation they're from, or Salish if I don't know which specific local tribe they're from.)
@@mr.incorporeal7642 Watching this as a Canadian was kind of weird - a lot of the same tribes span both countries, but I've definitely never heard anyone refer to themselves as a Native American (unless they were also an American citizen). Here it's usually First Nations or Indigenous.
@@ES315 Yeah, we're close enough to the border that "First Nations" is also used some.
West Indie and East Indie are what they called it in the early day.
indian indian population... yeah it works imma adopt this
Well "Indian" is what we got. Still though I suppose it can also mean like, "Indigenous"
I do harbor a hope that this series makes a return. It's a fascinating topic I was taught very little about, and I learned quite a bit from just this one video.
Thanks for making it Grey!
It will never have a sequel, this is Grey's A Song of Ice and Fire. It's so frustrating.
As an Indian(i.e. a person from India), it's so weird to hear Americans talking about Indians whilst not actually referring to Indians.
exactly!!
We are referring to Indians. Just not your type of Indian
@@harrysonofbob But they we never from India.
Jay My understanding (and probably something to remember) is that the word “India” and “Indian” are entirely English creations. Indian in Hindi (according to translate) is “bharatiya”. It might be advantageous for us to start referring to the people from the Asian subcontinent by their native Hindi name “bharatiya” and “bharat” and Just re-purposed the word “Indian” to refer to the western hemisphere indigenous people. Either way this is a very confusing conundrum, we could just call native Americans “American Indians”, or ditch the label game entirely.
@@dday881 It's a spanish creation.
TIL: CGP Grey is filmed in front of a live studio audience
Not just a studio. It's the Royal Albert Hall
"... to call someone from here, here, or here [the same thing] would make it so difficult for that person to identify with."
*Asians have entered the chat*
Why people use memes in text format is insane to me.
I mean you r not wrong
But you don't have laws in your countries that says "Asians"
@@tubeguy4066 We did. The Asian Exclusion Act barred all Asians from immigrating to the United States. It's actually why the US government considers Arabs to be white, since a Lebanese man went all the way to the Supreme Court.
@@Meirstein that's really interesting. i was always confused by Arabs being considered white
friendly reminder: we always prefer to be called by specific names of our tribes, but if that isn't possible both indian and native American have issues. Indian has been used in a derogatory way for decades, and Native American is a title forced upon us which is uncomfortable because of the complicated legality of the land ownership.
I trust Grey, but it's nice to hear from an Indian (though very uncomfortable to write that. My brain is saying delete and put Native American)
I still feel like Native American is just *safer* to say, but I would never call someone out for saying "Indian". The argument from semantics falls flat, though; there's no real difference between the two colloquialisms, it's like arguing over the hundred different words for cannabis, using the origin and history of the word as a basis to determine some 'objective offensiveness'.
I will always support better representation and treatment for disadvantaged ethnic groups, including Native Americans, but I don't see how focusing on terminology helps anyone in any tangible way.
@@tomrogue13 All I'm trying to say is that they are equally bad and we kinda need a new term
in canada we tend to use the term "indigenous", native american is used far less often and i have almost never hear them called indians
Then an actual Indian from India appears and get things more confused.
1.3 billion of us actually stacked against the 6.9 million "native americans"
Well back in the late 1990s I worked for a Indian form India and drove some of his family around Columbus Ga for him, and well we got talking about the people in south Columbus and I said a that I was one quarter Indian and there was an instance change in attitude to me until i said I was form the Muskogee band of Indians, which confused the Indians form India to no end, until I said American Indian, not Indian Indian like in a western movie and they all went Ah....And i could see the gears truing in there heads..
One Indian and they are from India.
@angry troll *diamonds/diamond-shaped crystals
Ironically, if you look back on history, the first people to be called Indian were the Native Americans.
Asian Indians: finally a worthy Indian, our confusion will be legendary
Hahaha best joke reference ever
True
I relate to this
This is hilarious and sadly relatable.
Ya
ah yes, im a native Afro-Eurasian
I'd like to think you are a French guy with an afro living in China
@@shino4242 XD
@@shino4242 Made my day LOL!
Haha same I come from the English tribe
@@onespicysauce6599 nice, im from the Norwegian tribe
If I find out someone I know or am speaking to is an Indian/Native/Indigenous and it comes up in conversation, I always ask what tribe. Once I know what tribe, I refer to them as being that instead of any of the other generalizations (unless they specify otherwise). Sure, it's a bit uncomfortable when basically asking "how do you want me to refer to your people?", and it can be harder to remember, but they almost always are happy you take the time to learn about them and at the same time, you likely will learn something about their people you never knew before. It's a win/win.
In this forum of youtube though, going with the general consensus makes the most sense. With that in mind, I don't think using "Indian" is bad.
well, in germany there can be no confusion.
the indians on the asian continent are called "Inder"
and the native americans are called "Indianer"
In Finnish intialainen=person from India. Intiaani=American Indian.
@Ahura Dana who calles themselves aryans?
@Ahura Dana What have nazis anything to do with anything relating to this video?
@Ahura Dana no they didnt. they called themselves Arier. get your facts straight man -.-
True in many other languages as well, although sometimes the difference is minimal and hard to immediately spot. In russian for example, it is literally one letter - Индейцы (Indians from USA) vs Индийцы (Indians from India).
3:28 Are we really not going to acknowledge the fact that CGP Grey has been doing these shows out of Royal Albert Hall this whole time!?
Michael Lyden I guess not...
you haven’t seen one of his videos in person?
you haven’t seen one of his videos in person?
you haven’t seen one of his videos in person?
You haven’t seen a CGP Grey video in person?
My Indian friend-
Oh, which tribe?
India...
Which state?!
Yeah to be fair the indian subcontinent is plenty diverse on its own, apparently it has over 700 languages.
nomnomnomey Sauce on avi?
@@fds7476 Which group?!
India, like the Native "Americans", are super diverse
@Sandcastle • DIversity in terms of culture and languages.
Imagine aliens coming down to Earth, killing 90% of humans directly or indirectly, started calling Earth GjjahbThn, and now calls humans "Natuve GjjahbThnians" to make us feel better.
>"In this series I'll use indian"
Oh, no. This is just an introduction, is this how you write essays? It's too good for me
Yes this is exactly how you write an essay
Finally, someone who defines terms before getting into main arguments. Refreshing.
L
I would consider this more of a preface than part of an actual essay, which might be why it's labeled "part 0". Not a lot of information seen in this video will likely have any significant relevance to the upcoming series. It's just clarification for the language . If it didn't exist, it'd either end up being a footnote or some people would just be a little distracted by his perceived insensitive language, so Grey would have to clarify via a Reddit comment or something.
tl;dr - The essay hasn't even begun.
Is the word "Red Indian" racist? That's how I learnt from school.( I'm from India)
In Greek, American Indians and Indians from India have different names. American Indians are called "Indianoi" and Indians from India are called "Indoi"
In Portuguese, American Indians are called "Índios" and Indians from India are called "Indianos" and the term ”Índios" is used to describe the whole continente.
And along came us, the indonesian.😂😂
Wouldn't it create confusion? They are so similar.
@@sriharshacv7760 In swedish we say indianer and indier which look similar but when spoken or read by a sweden They can immidently tell the difference, i’m guessing it’s the same for the greeks
same in Russian, its индеец(indeets) for American Indians, and индус(indus) for Indian Indians
The real question is
How do we call the native people in India
"Dave"
Hindustanis
Dravidian.
@@thatotherguy8138 It's Rodney
With a phone
The longest-running series on TH-cam with zero episodes?
I LOVE that you put in "Overinclusivity" as it is SUCH a thing people don't talk about. I didn't know there was a name for it, but I'm so glad you made a video with it!
Greetings Native Earthlings.
But "indian" is also used to describe native latin american people, here in Brazil for example we call them "indios", that argument doesn't make much sense when you know that.
LGBTQIA+... just saying.
@@InverseAgonist I don't quite see your point. The issue with LGBTQ people is not that the umbrella terms we employ to describe them are too inclusive, but rather that, by definition, they can never be inclusive enough. LGBTQ people are not defined by what they are, but by what they are not. They are non-conforming to Western heteronormative and hegemonic ideas of sexuality and gender. Hence, any acronym we try to make up to describe them will never be able to encompass all identities of the people who see themselves as belonging to that set of persons. 'LGBTIQ+', therefore, is not too inclusive, but still too exclusive. It would be much more preferable if the acronym of descriptors could be done away with and, for example, simply the word 'queer' could be adopted for all such people. Of course, the word 'queer' comes with issues of its own, but it does seem like especially younger people choose to go with this option, perhaps precisely because, as the Indian Americans have, they have appropriated a term originally employed by their oppressors. Do you disagree with that assessment?
"People of Color"
Sure got sidetracked by that whole "TH-cam vs Grey" thing, tumbleweed and pirates huh?
And abandoned missile test sites
Considering his recent videos, doubly so with the abandoned missile test sites
@@ashenlongbow1482 I'm pretty sure TEKOI and tumbleweeds all link in to this, just tangentially. TEKOI is on an Indian reservation, and tumbleweeds are an invasive species. Admittedly the tumbleweeds came a great deal later than Columbian Exchange species, but invasive plants and animals have a history of drastically changing the environments (and thus lifestyles) of the Americas.
Luscious Locks Grey always finds ways to implement lore into stuff
@@KarateLauren And now also apparently about week schedules.
"indian doesn't sound like a word anymore"
"We're well past that point where you hear a word so many times it starts to become meaningless."
damn Grey, that was fast
Nice Starbound PFP.
@@1r587 thanks!
I think that’s known as remais vu
So "Native American" can be confused for indigenous tribes in various different continents of the America's but "Indian" doesn't confuse the indigenous in North America with people from India?
In a lot of other languages there are different words for the people who live in the county India, and the people who lived in america before USA was established, if the languages the american Indians uses also have different words for those 2 things it will make more sense (but i dont actually know)
In Italian we say "american indian" for natives and "indian" for the asian ones, seeing native Americans being referred as "indians" alone is very rare and it's almost always used in cases were confusion is impossible, like western movies
In some other languages the terms can actually differ slightly. In German, the word for the american indians is „Indianer“ and for the indians of india it is „Inder“. So these are close to one another bug slightly different as well to not confuse them.
Latinoamerica also use "Indian" to refer to the original people of the continent
asian indians do not commonly interact or live near reservations
I love how he went through the entire video without referring to the country of india
“Despite confused origins”
Americans oblivious to the rest of the world existing again...
3:27 I never considered that Grey visualizes himself as the lecturer to hundreds of people in a giant theater, but it honestly makes perfect sense. Great bit of lore for this channel.
Edit: I've been informed that it's most likely Royal Albert Hall, because of the organ. Just in case people were wondering.
I think it's the faraday lecture theatre at the Royal Institute
@@astraios3473 oh you're right! thanks, man.
Nah mate I swear it's the royal Albert Hall. There's an organ in the back.
Im not so sure that he does. I think that it was just for affect because when you are sitting in a audio booth surrounded by nothing but foam and a mic I bet its hard to imagine a huge audience especially when you can do as many takes as you wish. But I did think that was a cool moment.
Oh my GOD. CGP is *actually* doing one of the 'stories for another time'. The world is ending.
Kilo101 when did he mention it originally?
@@alexanderpalmieri8448 in his American Empire video and in another one about federal land
he already did with federal land within the who owns the statue of liberty vid
Probably just in case YT won't be viable past the new year? YT is cracking down on 'kid-friendly' content. No ads AND they'll fine you if your channel looks 'kid-friendly' enough!
It's not the real Grey. Somebody stole his identity.
Viewer: When is part 1 coming out?
Grey: after im done with the airplanes.
CGP will have a mental breakdown when he finds out we also call them Indians in south america
And in Canada, though lots of people and also the government have started to use "First Nations" or "Inuit" (depending on which area they're from, Inuit is Arctic and First Nations is everywhere else to my knowledge).
No, we don't. There's a difference between "indígena" and "indio". I've only ever heard "indio" to refer to the natives from old people, from certain regions who are purposefully trying to be offensive.
(Your experience, of course, may vary, and that's the problem with generalization)
Daniel Silva did you watch the video?
@@DanielSilva-qf6nf
En españa a los "Nativo americanos" se les llama indios y no tiene connotacion negativa en uso general
@@SoeZ-M4 Por eso hago la aclaración de que depende del sitio. En todo caso, el OP hablaba de sur américa y como sur americano puedo afirmar que esa generalización no es cierta
We haven't even gotten to the reservations themselves and this already seems overwhelming.
It gets even more complicated. Trust me
Believe me, he just scratched the surface.
Tell me about it.
CGP Grey thanks for finally getting enough knowledge to tackle this. I live in the US and feel like I have a decent understanding of the situation, but it’s discussed so infrequently that I likely don’t.
@@parsifalkitty5109 But isn't it so much fun.......
I grew up 10 miles from an indian reservation. Some of my families land butts right up against the reservation land (and in some cases, the land actually surrounds it. Everyone referred to themselves as "indians". Then I went to college, 150 miles away. Here I took a "native american studies" course. The professor claimed that both "indian" and "native american" are offensive terms, and they should be referred to as "indigenous peoples". I would later date a girl from a town where my professor was from. Nobody called themselves "indigenous peoples". I would later learn my professor got his undergrad and graduate degree from a university 1000 miles away. This video sheds light on something that I learned the hard away. Universities are capable of spreading misinformation and when we continue to spread that misinformation, in attempt to be politically correct based on our understandings of virtue, you can actually end up being harmful, or at the very least, appearing as an idiot.
prof. is not wrong though
"Indigenous peoples" has definitely got to be an Americanism. "Aboriginals" is more common in the rest of former Commonwealth countries. And frankly, "Natives" is simpler and much less pretentious.
And if the Natives are comfortable with calling themselves Indians, I have no skin in calling them anything other than what they want to be called.
There is nothing inherently "Indian" or "American" about being a native of this continent. It is a cultural and social construct, thanks to the accident of being on a continent separated and isolated for thousands of years from Eurasia, until about 500 years ago.
I live in Washington State, which has quite a few reservations, some of which are rather large indeed.
At the outbreak of the pandemic, many tribes, including several on the Pacific coast, shut their borders immediately. No outsiders allowed, *at all.* We found that out the hard way on a road trip...
CGPGrey must certainly have run into similar trouble making Part 1 of this series, which is probably why it still hasn't been released close to three years later. Be patient, people. It's much harder for Grey to do what Grey does when he can't go in-person on-site to interview, explore, and get a feel for what he's talking about. Remember, this is a man who bought a plane ticket across the Atlantic to find an edition of a newspaper from three hundred years ago.
grey: The word ["Indian"] is clear in geography and history as limited to the First People in the United States
me, an Indian from India: *confused af*
And not just to the US. As far as I'm aware, Indian was also used in the Canadian government
There isn't a lot of overlap there
Yea this guy strikes me as an idiot. A little bit of research would have shown the word India and even use of Indian dates back much further
@Vishal Jindal He's been pretty open about not being very political, and ALSO being against Brexit. Additionally if you watch his videos it's clear his "ideals" are pretty standard left of center. I don't think right-learning people would agree with his opinion of the electoral college, getting rid of first past the post, the house of rep, etc.
Vishal Jindal I don’t think this has anything to do with his political leanings, which I think are probably left, but I don’t know. His opinion on the voting system isn’t necessarily left or right leaning. When he says he’s using Indians to be clear. He is talking from an American perspective, talking about an American thing. So the context is known. He sometimes avoids topics or teases topics for future videos. He’ll probably do a video eventually about India Indian and America Indian.
A story for another time? Another time is now!
the issue is that english only has the word "indian", while many other languages have slightly different ones for native americans and *indian* indians.
AeGiS that is why we use American Indian. EDIT: Yes it is a bad situation. The solution: Dont generalize. Native people, especially ones in America (the geographic location) are split into many diverse tribes with completely different ideas. If you have to generalize try to minimize it, although no matter what you do it’s gonna be offensive.
Yup. One example: German
Inder - indian indians
Indianer - american indians
And finnish:
"Intiaani" American indian
"Intialainen" Indian indian
@@eamartig If the local indigenous people (and their descendants) choose to use that instead of just having it foisted on them, all well and good. On the other hand, it sounds a lot like a colonial terminology (even if not meant that way) as in 'Indians belonging to America (the nation)'.
Claims about what indigenous people want or choose to be called would sound much more clear coming directly from indigenous people.
@@eamartig then what would you call an indian immigrant to the united states? Indian American? It's just too confusing
Now that Reservations in my home state of New Mexico are starting to open back up for visitors you can start working on the next part on this series (if you want to, no pressure
Another victory for Portuguese:
"Índio"- person native to the Americas.
"Indiano"- person from India.
In Italian we use "indio" for the natives of Central and South America, but "indiano" for the natives of those lands that are now US and Canada and for people from India.
Cosimo Serpolla why
in spanish, like with most of south america, we just say "indigena" wich is literally just "indigenous"
@@cosimoserpolla5710 You just inverted us. xD
@@luciano671 I think we just borrowed one from the Spanish-speaking world and the other from the anglophones.
In German there's a two version of Indians which one means Indians(the USA ones) "Indianer"
and Indians(the people of India) "Inder"
Same in Slovakian. I’m sure most other languages do the same as well.
Yup. It's mainly the lame English that has such problems.
@@impact0r Which is a bit ironic considering they once had colonies in both places simultaneously for quite a while.
@@UVjoint lol
That would not be less confusing. One of the states, Indiana (it's next to the one where Chicago is), calls its people Indianers.
In Canada, we mostly use First Nation, except for the other indigenous, the Meti and the Inuit. The word Indians is mostly used by older people
*métis
A much cooler title. First Nations. Just sounds stoic and badass.
I'm white so I can't wait have a day, but I like that. It's completely different and distinct
I’m Canadian too and for some reason when I was in elementary school (I’m a senior in high school now) we were told to call them aboriginal peoples, hm- 🤔 though I myself use First Nations too
@@lovesung The term "aboriginal" usually applies towards the Native peoples of Australia and New Zealand
6:28 awesome. I’m going to move on to the next part right now
In finnish:
Intiaani - A native from the Americas
Intialainen - A person from India
Why you finns need to have so long word? Doesn't it take a long time to speak? In swedish its Indian for native americans, and indier for people from india.
@@KevinUchihaOG I speak both finnish and swedish, and in this case both words take about the same time to say in both languages
@@KevinUchihaOG it's a agglutinative language that's why, no it does not and a lot of the time it makes communicating more efficient not having to use a lot of separate words to describe something.
In brazilian portuguese:
Índio = native from América
Indiano = from India
German:
Indianer - Native American
Inder - from Undia
"The word is clear in geography and history"
Except when you're talking about India
Except in the context of America where is makes sense when talking about the native human populations of what is now the continental United States or did you just not watch the video?
American Indian is clear then.
@@woodmanvictory Except we in Brazil use indian when talking about natives from our country
@@tedwards1025 what if you of Asian indian desent and were born in america?
How about Amazon Indians?
Or the Yaghan Indians from Terra del Fuego?
Or the Caribbeans?
I understand it as a name for all indigenous peoples of the Americas.
I live in a city with a very high population of Indians: people from India. If I don’t say natives, it get very confusing.
If they are from india, you don't say native. What's the problem here
poooop streeet
@@Half_Finis bruh
Just call them American Indian.
Exactly, I live in the Bay Area and grew up with people who immigrated from India, if you say Indian Imma immediately assume you're talking about people from/have heritage with India
Excited for part 1
The America girl always has a revolver, and the British girl always has a crown. This makes me so happy.
am not happy
@boris steve i have no idea how or why i posted that. Since it was 6 days ago. I belive i was Drinking heavily that day and YouTubing. 🤔 i get sad when i drink 😆 🤣 😐😮🥴☹
@@piratesmurf4251 That's bad.
@@segmentsAndCurves ok :)
The Canadian girl (if or when she appears) should have a campaign hat.
He did it he finally made a reservation series. The mad man finally did it.
Hes a maniac! MAAANNNNIIIIAACCC
@@dloresch4 On a macbook. And he's typing what he's never typed befooore.
"You did it. You crazy son of a bitch, you did it"
Grey: Indian is clear geographically
*Shows the USA
1.2 billion people: What?
Right, it is most definitely *not* clear geographically! Not even mentioning Indians from India, in Canada we also called the first peoples Indians, although now they're known as First Nations. So the term Indian (referring to American first peoples) hasn't even been restricted to America.
@@JeremySchwartzentruber it has to some extent. amerindians is the on I hear in South Dakota trubes
Contrary to what most might believe, geography involves both physical and human aspects. While the term "Indian" wouldn't be correct physically, it is in terms of human geography given the reasons he provided in the video.
Do you guys realize that India as a word for the country in Asia, is also just a word made up by Europeans too?
@@Lodatzor Ha, nice point. Not helpful, but well made nonetheless.
Hard to believe the entire series started here. What a ride!
"Oh, you're Indian? What's your nation?"
"Gujarat."
@@tejas8719 niether did I!
Haha funny joke, although Gujarat is a state/region of India, not a nation lol.
Gujarat is a state or region
Siddharth Ray yes you are correct Its a part of India.
CopperXLUIronAluminumGold1234 AU 1KERA Thats the joke. I’m pretty sure natives have nations and India has states. The joke was the asker was expecting them to be an indigenous person.
"Alright, that's complete, now we can move on to the next part."
-CGP Grey, 1 year ago
Hey.
Only reason I don't like "Indian" is it gets confusing if it isn't clear from context of you are speaking of American Indians or India Indians
That's why I use "Native American"
Context helps a lot. For example, 10% of the people where I live are Native Americans (Sioux, Lakota, Mandan, etc.). However, there are probably only under a hundred people in the state with an Indian background, and our state has hardly anything to do with the country of India at all, besides complaining or joking about it.
We usually call the various tribes and native people of the area "Natives".
Though you used the clarifier right in your comment: American Indian.
“Indians” vs “Indian People”
CruxCapacitor Yeah but “American Indian” can also be misconstrued as “Indian who immigrated to America” like “Irish American” and “African American”
"This has been 1300 words in an attempt to explain one."
Philosophy in a nutshell.
Me, an Asian Indian living in America: I'm an American Indian
My teacher: No you're an Indian America
Me: Tf that's what I said
Why would someone living in the US from (or with ancestors from) India be any different than anyone from (or with ancestors from) any other country?
African American
Italian American
Asian American
Japanese American
Chinese American
Mexican American
etc.
@@jacqslabz with that logic "native Americans should be called as Americans" you people should call yourselves euro-americans
How pathetic!
Bhai .....love from India❤
@@भक्तिद्वार-स3ध I'm gonna go to India and call myself an "Indian" while dressing as an Incan (South American natives) just to see how the local would react.
3:18 you know it gets really serious when he's animating at more than 2 frames per second
CGP Grey: "The word [Indian] is clear in geography and history."
Me, an Indian, from India: 🤨
Anirudh Kishan exactly what I was thinking!! There’s only like a billion of us
You lose
+ Sorry Grey, they've got you there
but indians from india don't call themselves that. The endonym is Bharat. I think the British messed it all up.
I mentioned this in a comment, but in Croatia we have separate words for American Indians (Indijanci) and Indian Indians (Indijci) so thankfully it's pretty clear in our language.
I personally use the term “Native American” just because the term “Indian” is confusing language for me as I live in New Jersey where we have a huge South Asian population, many of whom from the country of India. But informative video.