Hello, I am the owner of Avel Vaez. Thank you for this great video. If you are in Greece and want to sail on Avel Vaez and see how nice it is at sea, let me know and we will take good care of you. ❤
Thanks very much for the offer and we would really love to sail on her to see her in real action! The videos online look amazing and we would love to see it for ourselves! We are back in Greece in mid August and are selling our current boat then so would be free to test sail her and hopefully get some good footage! Our email is drjohnmcintosh@tpg.com.au as I don't have your personal contacts...
The irony of HH with basically fold-away sterns, here these are extra long. I personally love the longer length. Love this one. So, I have 2 years to find someone willing to do a round-the-world sail 🤣🤣
The HH designs a foldaway step and safety gate for kids fur babies and controlling over enthusiastic fishermen wishing to catch fish while sailing in double figures or walking off the back😵💫 😉 This extends the waterline to increase the hull speed.
Try again .. U tube adds crashed my comments.🙄 This boat is honest to it's purpose but depending on where it's used it's going to drip condensate .. and either get hot or be cold as a live aboard. Carbon hulls tend to be very loud in rough water so the noise levels from water and engines will travel through the hull... there's one well known Couple who found this exhausting on a choppy Atlantic transit...on a similar bare inner skinned performance boat. Also imagine what a hail or heavy cloudburst sounds like 🙉. Those rear tiller helms are a lift from a ten year old fun and back up sailing option on the DeepBlue Rapier 550. The first vessel with a fully enclosed forward helm seat and internal mast and lines aft of the helm . So the cockpit is a huge open space... Trotting round the outside to deal with sail and line problems at night or in heavy seas.. Isn't what you would want to be doing either. Especially if this is being sailed short handed on a passage. It has the pace and space but it's definitely a sports boat that needs a experienced crew and isn't Initially that friendly to kids..perhaps animals .. and not for long-term habitation beyond the Goldilocks zones ... as long as that lasts.
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 HI Clive, I think you mean it increases usable space in the hull but does not increase the waterline length cause it is above the waterline...
Great show guys. Pretty cool boat. I used to get tennis elbow from living on the tiller too long. I'd probably prefer the duel option like on Outremers. I'd encourage you to watch Biotrek's latest video on performance sailing. Awesome insights and a bit of a reality check about speed being exhausting. Thanks again guys from FNQ
Thanks Ahmin, yes we are very aware of the roughness on the senses when sailing very fast but every boat has their own comfort level and as the hull gets longer, the comfort speed also increases. On our 42 foot cat we were comfortable at 12 knots (or 15 knots in flat water) but above that, the hull noise (in a epoxy and western red cedar strip planked sandwich boat) was grating on the nerves. This ORC does seem to run very smoothly at high speeds so I am sure it would quite tolerable at 15 knots (except in confused seas).
Hey mark, good question. Because cats have longer booms they need full length battens and in boom furling can't do full length battens - but in boom furling can.....
I do not remember the name of video but he bought a ORC right before they got bought out. They owe him millions since they didn't build his boat right. cracking and falling apart all over. Since it changed owners they are not responsible for his boat. Still makes me wonder if quality is still low like with previous boat builder.
HI DC, yes we saw that too and I understand that Grand Large offered him compensation and sorted it out. Also I am sure that the quality controls within GL are now in place as they would not want repeat episodes like that... Given that Outriders are being built on the same production line, I am sure the quality control is now in place and previously the ORCs were built in 6 months which sounds like it was much too fast for a quality build of such a technical boat...
m.th-cam.com/video/d19_JsCDjEU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUiRnJlbmNoIENhdGFtYXJhbiBidWlsZCBwcm9ibGVtIG9yYw%3D%3D One aspect of GRP and carbon fibre boats is that they are made of materials that are made by the boatyard. It involves mixing a hardener with a resin and applying it to a supporting matrix eg carbon fibre or finer glass etc. You hope that the glue fully bonds to the matrix and also to the core layer. there are dozens of variables that can go erring in this process. The structural integrity and the lives of the boats passengers depend on everything being done right. If any one of the working temperature humidity product quality components shelf life vacuum distribution product viscosity vacuum level etc etc are wrong then the whole material integrity is compromised. The aluminium sheet and plate you have picked for your new hull is produced in a mill that does nothing else. The material properties are controlled to within a few percent. You really have no idea what the material properties of aGRP hull material are. You are hoping that the fibreglass/ carbon was fully wetted and bonded and that the correct percentage resin was achieved and that it achieved the stated hardness. But you really have no proof of it. With an aluminium hull you know for sure. You will have the test cert from the mill. The welding of each individual sheet along its weld line odds tightly controlled. Boat yards are not well equipped to be materials engineers. It is not a trivial task to make a composite. Structure. Airbus and Boeing may be good at it. But lots of boatyards aren’t. That is why choosing aluminium was by far the best choice when your lives depend on it. The video above is more than concerning.
Yes that was the video that I referred to and the quality control measures under the eyes of Grand Large Yachting should now avoid that ever happening again - as Outremers are also being built on the SAME production line!
Outremer is the one that has a round the world rally for there customers. (Cat Greatcircle) is doing this now. ORC looks like a stronger boat now but Once a reputation is lost it's lost.
Hi DC, yes Outriders are part of the Grand Large Yachting Group so they certainly go but it is also open to the other brands in the group too - Garcia, Gunboat, ORC, RM and some others. Their advantage is that they have so many owners across all the brands, they are able to provide extra` services to support the owners which is really nice!
Hello John and Eli. interesting episode this week. Whilst there are some sailors out there that will want to chase these speeds between point to point locations, it can be hard work to keep it up for thousand of nautical miles. Imagine you and your crew doing that last voyage you did. Sure you would have got there much quicker, but would you have been as comfortable and less tired during the voyage??? There was a huge discussion recently about your rudders when you showed their design off some weeks ago. I wonder what will happen here if you hit something at 20+ knots? How deep do the rudders penetrate? Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
Hi Julia. Don't worry, you will never need to use them! Escape hatches are a complete farce. If you capsize, the cat will float upside down and you are safe inside the hull. You can then swim out through the saloon and I would want to keep the hatches closed to keep the hull sealed. There was a story for the 1980s where a capsized cat survived upside down for months off NZ until they was eventually found.... They trapped fish inside their cabins to eat!
This boat was at 1.08 M € back in 2021 (youtube channel : Choose your boat). 3 years later the same boat is at 1.6 M€ / 2.3 M€. This makes no sense at all! And It is still confusing whether it is a Lombard (3:38) or Barreau (7:00) design? Hope sincerely the ORC brand will survive.
We are not sure whether it is (partly) due to the increasing cost of everything since COVID or the takeover by Grand Large who may have priced it more to ensure costs are covered (as the Marsuaden yard went broke open their previous pricing).
Thanks for the interest Jimmy and this was the first boat show we have been to in 2 years and we will get back to the Leopard 45 sailing videos after one more review...
Nice boat,good performance,but you lost me at 1.65 mill base price and 2.3 mill "equipped" :)) with "extension" listing :)))) looollllloooll are he for real,thats extention equippement and unffinnised interiors :)))) no thanks i stick with McConaghy with same price and triple space and real extension listing and almost same performance,or with Windelo 54 and 700k in my poket,with qvadruple equipement and almost same performance.
You can find sunreef 60 sailboat for 2.3 and it is far better boat..only 5 kts slower ..this boat feels a lot of compromise for little speed gains and feels far too basic for 2.3 m price tag
Looks like a very cool cat.
Yes - made for speed and thrilling sailing!
As always thanks for making it happen, then sharing w/ us ! Great job bear foot friends!
Glad you liked it Julia!
Very cool! I enjoyed the tour.
Thanks for taking me along again!😊
Glad you enjoyed, Warren! Always nice to see what's out there even though it may not be suitable for most folk...
Hello, I am the owner of Avel Vaez. Thank you for this great video. If you are in Greece and want to sail on Avel Vaez and see how nice it is at sea, let me know and we will take good care of you. ❤
Thanks very much for the offer and we would really love to sail on her to see her in real action! The videos online look amazing and we would love to see it for ourselves! We are back in Greece in mid August and are selling our current boat then so would be free to test sail her and hopefully get some good footage! Our email is drjohnmcintosh@tpg.com.au as I don't have your personal contacts...
Thanks for this series of reviews of the hi lights at LGM .. its next best thing to being there
Glad you like them, David!
The irony of HH with basically fold-away sterns, here these are extra long. I personally love the longer length. Love this one. So, I have 2 years to find someone willing to do a round-the-world sail 🤣🤣
Keep the dream in front of you and (cabin) doors will open!
The HH designs a foldaway step and safety gate for kids fur babies and controlling over enthusiastic fishermen wishing to catch fish while sailing in double figures or walking off the back😵💫 😉
This extends the waterline to increase the hull speed.
Try again .. U tube adds crashed my comments.🙄
This boat is honest to it's purpose but depending on where it's used it's going to drip condensate .. and either get hot or be cold as a live aboard. Carbon hulls tend to be very loud in rough water so the noise levels from water and engines will travel through the hull... there's one well known Couple who found this exhausting on a choppy Atlantic transit...on a similar bare inner skinned performance boat. Also imagine what a hail or heavy cloudburst sounds like 🙉.
Those rear tiller helms are a lift from a ten year old fun and back up sailing option on the DeepBlue Rapier 550.
The first vessel with a fully enclosed forward helm seat and internal mast and lines aft of the helm . So the cockpit is a huge open space...
Trotting round the outside to deal with sail and line problems at night or in heavy seas.. Isn't what you would want to be doing either. Especially if this is being sailed short handed on a passage.
It has the pace and space but it's definitely a sports boat that needs a experienced crew and isn't
Initially that friendly to kids..perhaps animals .. and not for long-term habitation beyond the Goldilocks zones ... as long as that lasts.
I ll come for a sail with yah 😊
@@clivestainlesssteelwomble7665 HI Clive, I think you mean it increases usable space in the hull but does not increase the waterline length cause it is above the waterline...
Nice review but what I’d really like to see is more of your Portofino 52 or the 47 which is even closer to completion I suspect. Cheers
HI GI, yes we are coming back to our cruising logs and Portofino updates in the next episode (S4#10).
@@barefootdoctorssailing8567 yay! Looking forward to it!
Great show guys. Pretty cool boat. I used to get tennis elbow from living on the tiller too long. I'd probably prefer the duel option like on Outremers. I'd encourage you to watch Biotrek's latest video on performance sailing. Awesome insights and a bit of a reality check about speed being exhausting. Thanks again guys from FNQ
Thanks Ahmin, yes we are very aware of the roughness on the senses when sailing very fast but every boat has their own comfort level and as the hull gets longer, the comfort speed also increases. On our 42 foot cat we were comfortable at 12 knots (or 15 knots in flat water) but above that, the hull noise (in a epoxy and western red cedar strip planked sandwich boat) was grating on the nerves. This ORC does seem to run very smoothly at high speeds so I am sure it would quite tolerable at 15 knots (except in confused seas).
Hi guys, have you ever done any work on Mercy ships as a doctors
We have done aid work to the Vanuatu islands on the back of large sailing vessels for 2 years (project MARC) but not on the Mercy ships.
Hi, how come catamarans don't have in-mast furling??
Hey mark, good question. Because cats have longer booms they need full length battens and in boom furling can't do full length battens - but in boom furling can.....
I do not remember the name of video but he bought a ORC right before they got bought out. They owe him millions since they didn't build his boat right. cracking and falling apart all over. Since it changed owners they are not responsible for his boat. Still makes me wonder if quality is still low like with previous boat builder.
HI DC, yes we saw that too and I understand that Grand Large offered him compensation and sorted it out. Also I am sure that the quality controls within GL are now in place as they would not want repeat episodes like that... Given that Outriders are being built on the same production line, I am sure the quality control is now in place and previously the ORCs were built in 6 months which sounds like it was much too fast for a quality build of such a technical boat...
m.th-cam.com/video/d19_JsCDjEU/w-d-xo.html&pp=ygUiRnJlbmNoIENhdGFtYXJhbiBidWlsZCBwcm9ibGVtIG9yYw%3D%3D
One aspect of GRP and carbon fibre boats is that they are made of materials that are made by the boatyard. It involves mixing a hardener with a resin and applying it to a supporting matrix eg carbon fibre or finer glass etc. You hope that the glue fully bonds to the matrix and also to the core layer. there are dozens of variables that can go erring in this process. The structural integrity and the lives of the boats passengers depend on everything being done right. If any one of the working temperature humidity product quality components shelf life vacuum distribution product viscosity vacuum level etc etc are wrong then the whole material integrity is compromised.
The aluminium sheet and plate you have picked for your new hull is produced in a mill that does nothing else. The material properties are controlled to within a few percent. You really have no idea what the material properties of aGRP hull material are. You are hoping that the fibreglass/ carbon was fully wetted and bonded and that the correct percentage resin was achieved and that it achieved the stated hardness. But you really have no proof of it.
With an aluminium hull you know for sure. You will have the test cert from the mill. The welding of each individual sheet along its weld line odds tightly controlled.
Boat yards are not well equipped to be materials engineers. It is not a trivial task to make a composite. Structure. Airbus and Boeing may be good at it. But lots of boatyards aren’t. That is why choosing aluminium was by far the best choice when your lives depend on it.
The video above is more than concerning.
Yes that was the video that I referred to and the quality control measures under the eyes of Grand Large Yachting should now avoid that ever happening again - as Outremers are also being built on the SAME production line!
This boat has all the attributes of a laboratory clean room.
Thanks Holmes! Some folk obviously are happy with it though so each to their own!
Outremer is the one that has a round the world rally for there customers. (Cat Greatcircle) is doing this now. ORC looks like a stronger boat now but Once a reputation is lost it's lost.
Hi DC, yes Outriders are part of the Grand Large Yachting Group so they certainly go but it is also open to the other brands in the group too - Garcia, Gunboat, ORC, RM and some others. Their advantage is that they have so many owners across all the brands, they are able to provide extra` services to support the owners which is really nice!
Hello John and Eli. interesting episode this week. Whilst there are some sailors out there that will want to chase these speeds between point to point locations, it can be hard work to keep it up for thousand of nautical miles. Imagine you and your crew doing that last voyage you did. Sure you would have got there much quicker, but would you have been as comfortable and less tired during the voyage??? There was a huge discussion recently about your rudders when you showed their design off some weeks ago. I wonder what will happen here if you hit something at 20+ knots? How deep do the rudders penetrate?
Fair 💨's and following 🌊's.
Hi Garth, we'll get back to the P52 details soon....
I am not a large woman but those escape hatches looked teeny.. I'm 5'8 and 140 +or-. I would never fit! Lol
Hi Julia. Don't worry, you will never need to use them! Escape hatches are a complete farce. If you capsize, the cat will float upside down and you are safe inside the hull. You can then swim out through the saloon and I would want to keep the hatches closed to keep the hull sealed. There was a story for the 1980s where a capsized cat survived upside down for months off NZ until they was eventually found.... They trapped fish inside their cabins to eat!
This boat was at 1.08 M € back in 2021 (youtube channel : Choose your boat). 3 years later the same boat is at 1.6 M€ / 2.3 M€. This makes no sense at all! And It is still confusing whether it is a Lombard (3:38) or Barreau (7:00) design? Hope sincerely the ORC brand will survive.
That's 3 years of inflation! There are a lot of systems and components not to mention material that goes into any boat.
@@OnTheFlipSide 50% ?
We are not sure whether it is (partly) due to the increasing cost of everything since COVID or the takeover by Grand Large who may have priced it more to ensure costs are covered (as the Marsuaden yard went broke open their previous pricing).
I guess this channel turned to a review channel not a live aboard sailing channel
Thanks for the interest Jimmy and this was the first boat show we have been to in 2 years and we will get back to the Leopard 45 sailing videos after one more review...
Nice advert and promo.
Thanks - nice to see what is out there, we feel!
fast but no sexy
Thanks
Nice boat,good performance,but you lost me at 1.65 mill base price and 2.3 mill "equipped" :)) with "extension" listing :)))) looollllloooll are he for real,thats extention equippement and unffinnised interiors :)))) no thanks i stick with McConaghy with same price and triple space and real extension listing and almost same performance,or with Windelo 54 and 700k in my poket,with qvadruple equipement and almost same performance.
Yes, that is an impressive price tag!
You can find sunreef 60 sailboat for 2.3 and it is far better boat..only 5 kts slower ..this boat feels a lot of compromise for little speed gains and feels far too basic for 2.3 m price tag
Thanks NV. This boat is certainly aimed at a very particular niche in the market!