$100 PC VS Raspberry Pi 4 8GB - Can The Pi4 Replace a Desktop PC?
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- Is the Raspberry Pi 4 8GB a real Desktop replacement? Can it outperform a$100 used Optiplex PC?
In this video, we test out the desktop performance of $100 i3 Dell Optiplex running Raspberry Pi OS x86 otherwise know as Raspberry Pi Desktop for PC! Can the most expensive Raspberry Pi 4 beat out this used office PC in everyday desktop tasks?
Keep in mind the whole Raspberry pi kit you see in this video cost more than the Desktop PC I’m testing it against.
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I picked up two HP i3's and a Lenovo dual-core for free from an office clear out. They had put them out in the trash and I noticed them. Knock on the door and they said sure, take-em. Lucky find.
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@BEN 1891 What a terrific stroke of luck Ben!
One of my salvaged i3s is now a media server, running OpenMediaVault with Docker and Portainer. Three servers running on Docker, Jellyfin for movies, Airsonic for music, etc and Lychee for Photographs. The other i3 runs a opensource professional grade firewall with a VPN. No use yet for the dual core.
@BEN 1891 That's decent. An ssd upgrade and you get an awesome daily driver pc.
In my office after closing the company, they sold their older laptops/desktops. I bought one core i5 4th gen for 60$ that was advertised as with "minor cosmetic issues" but it actually had the case broken, looks like the laptop was dropped, a broken hinge, and no battery. Now I can't get my money back :(. So don't buy these clearance things online :(
I got 2 HP i5 machines from a Facebook seller who was selling them from a school clear out. £10 for the pair. Merged the memory and hard drives into one, stuck a basic 2Gb graphics card inside for my 9 year old. Geekbench stats are dire, but it will do him for now. The spare PC has a Windows 7 Pro license on the case, so that’s another free upgrade to Windows 10 Pro. Bargain buy for once!
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@@HypaBox LMAO
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LOVE the side by side comparison! Most sites don't do that when comparing devices/stats and it makes it harder for many people to make informed decisions about things. Keep it up and thank you!
I am only one viewer among many, but I vote for more videos like this; comparing buying something new vs repurposing something old. I found this interesting to watch.
agree
The place where raspberry pi shines is where you need a headless computer with minimum power consumption.
Like the pc cant run headless
@@adizivojevic8635 There's a difference in power consumption and unless it's a mini pc with atom z8350, nothing can even come closer to raspberry pi.
@@saif080 Except power doesn't cost anything.
@@PravinDahal that depends on your use case. For example, we need to deploy linux based controller to maintain lots of automation here for farm and fishery. Pi 4 has more than enough power for this, and even with active cooling case (with small fan), it only use same power compated to the routers. Not only it doesnt use any active cooling PSU (which need extra preparation for putting in fields), less power also means less heat dissipation required, means it can be put practically everywhere (doesnt really need dedicated place, heck it even could run on PoE)
With such low power cost, it also enable automation on low margin farm/fisheries.
@@PravinDahal This is incorrect. Secondly it depends on your use case like someone else has said it already. I will not use raspberryPi as my main pc but I am using raspberryPi 4b for monitoring my solar panel system at home. The system requires a computer which can work 24/7/365 and if there is a power shutdown, the system needs to power on itself and keep working all the time. The raspberryPi is perfect in this case.
It's so great that you say the results in the first minute! Like a real gentlemen compared to all these clickbait junkys all over TH-cam. A really good video
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Shame that due to global pandemy these old optiplexes cost about twice as much than a year ago now.
etaprime is the reason behind demand increasing ;)
I don't think so iv looking at these for a while an most of the buy it now prices were around 150 plus most of them come with windows 10 which is 100 dollars so even optiplex 745 can been seen as much as 100 just cause they come with windows 10
Derek Spear generally speaking, Windows 7 or Windows 10 is free from Dell with their OSRT. Just need a valid Service Tag.
@@Durkhead depends on where you live. In my country both post leasing PCs and laptops are much more expensive today than a year ago.
I have a pile of old optiplex towers I use for stuff
I get these Optiplex 3020s and the 9010s SFFs from work as we replace them. I normally load Windows on them and donate them to people in need. I have two that I am setting up for a local church for their youth\education room. They will be used by people that don't have a PC or internet can come and use them as needed. Some of their members lost their jobs due to the Human Malware that is still on going.
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@@AsTheCrowFlies745 i found those optiplex used PCs on south african gumtree, and they seemed to sell for similar price as in Europe, event the cheapest ones should do ok for School stuff, Hope it helps
@@dym8408 thanks💓✨ I'll check
The goodwill pc's are undefeated in my book, usually around $120, an i5, 500gb storage, monitor, kb&m. Got one of these and added 4gb ram, sold the harddrive for an ssd, and now use it as a minecraft server for me and my friends
My favorite kind of PC!!! Unfortunately I haven’t been able to find any recently
I tried getting one from a goodwill.... whoever had it last pulled out the RAM and the hard drive. And even when I ordered ram for it and stuck a hard drive into it, It had problems.
@@HobkinBoi that sucks, the goodwill near me has windows Pre-installed and running. the front panels are zip tied shut
You can find a plethora on eBay. Be sure to note the specs carefully before buying - some have OS, others don't, some have HD, others don't, etc.
@@VerdASMR Linux
Just became a TH-cam member, ETA Prime! I've been binge watching so many of your videos.
Thanks to you and your awesome videos I built my cabinet around a 100.00 Dell Optiplex and my only upgrade was a GTX970 card that I bought for 100.00. I love my pi but if you are going to build a cabinet I'd say a PC is the way to go. Thanks again for another awesome video, keep em coming 👍
I think as searching for a video almost exactly like this just the other day and couldn’t find one only to see it pop up on my subscription feed. Great video!
The Pi4 is IDEAL for making your own tablet, as you perfectly demonstrated in your previous videos with the android tablet project and the excellent touch display + battery; so for your portable Linux desktop a-la-DIY nothing beats the Pi in terms of portability, power consumption and massive Linux support (both for software and hardware GPIO); as for dedicating gaming/NAS of course a cheap used intel pc is the best option
Thanks for the video. I love the RPi and have a couple myself, but many people do buy it as a desktop replacement when they would be better served by buying a used or off-lease PC like an Optiplex, even though these PC's are currently over-priced due to high demand. You can easily spend close to $100 on a full Raspberry Pi setup or kit, yet the PC will be more powerful, more upgradeable, and have more operating systems to choose from.
I just got a Lenovo m93p Tiny (USFF) PC with an i5-4750 for my father as a replacement for a very old AMD PC that finally had a motherboard failure. It cost $110 with 8GB of RAM, but I had to buy a new SSD, video cable, and external backup drive for it so that the total price was close to $200.
That's a lot more than a RPi setup, but it has a Samsung SSD over a real SATA controller and full external backup instead of a flaky SD card; the resulting machine should last the rest of its user's lifetime. If you add better storage and backup to an RPi via USB, the total cost goes up similarly and you may also need an external USB hub to connect everything.
I've seen these drive-less Lenovo tiny PC's for $100, but they tend to sell quickly at that price. A lot of folks are using them as media PC's, I suspect. You can also find some that include used SSD's or spinning drives for a good price, but you should *definitely* have regular backups for such a machine as I have no faith in used SSD's from recycling companies.
Most of these are off-lease business machines, which tend to be heavily used, so be wary of anything with moving parts such as spinning hard drives and fans. Some sellers do blow out the machines with air, but make sure everything is clean while adding your own components. If the machine is a laptop or mini-PC, remove the fan from the heat pipe to make sure there's no hidden dust blocking the cooling system.
Also, my Dad's Lenovo did not include the hard drive caddy! It's easier for recyclers to pull the whole caddy when removing the hard drive for destruction or wiping and thus some machines won't have a caddy, which renders it useless.
READ THE FINE PRINT! I expected to get the caddy as the seller's feedback showed that most buyers get them, but not this time. I also made sure to specifically request a POWER SUPPLY as the fine print clearly stated these were provided "when possible."
I made my own drive caddy from sheet metal, but few buyers will have the tools, skills, or time to do such a thing and you may find that replacement caddies and power supplies add a LOT to the total cost of buying a "refurbished" machine. MAKE CERTAIN that all of the important parts will be included by reading the fine print and/or asking the seller some questions.
With a Raspberry Pi, at least you know exactly what you're getting in the box. With a used/refurbished PC, you might not. Choose sellers wisely and read the entire description.
Also, while an ARM SBC may not be as powerful as a used x86 PC, the energy efficiency and reduced heat output is downright impressive. An Optiplex will use more power than a USFF mini-PC, but even the tiny PC cannot match an RPi running from 5V. If you don't need the extra horsepower, the Raspberry Pi is absolutely fine for web browsing, e-mail, and basic office productivity tasks. Your parents probably aren't running emulators or playing COD, anyway ;).
Remember that in warm climates or internal-load dominated office buildings you pay for computer energy twice; once when the computer, display, printer, etc uses the energy and again when your building's air conditioner has to remove the resulting heat from the room. LCD screens alone have saved the world incredible amounts of kilowatt-hours since the CRT days .
I wanted to do the test on my built computer from 2014 and I am able to run 8K on a separate TH-cam video. My GPU hit about 33C and 90% utilization rate. Amazing something I built 6 years ago is still able to play and do everything today. 😃
I never knew about the Pi Desktop for PC, that is actually quite cool to know about. Been thinking about getting a Pi to run some server projects on but now not to sure, might just get a cheap dell. Thinking about it I got a i3 system at home doing absolutely nothing. You just gave me a idea, thanks :D
I've already replaced my folks' computers to Pi4 8GB since months ago, docked the SATA SSDs' to external docks to the USB3 port while taking a lot less space and is more than enough for 60 and 70 year olds that just browse the web, check e-mails, and watch videos at a ridiculously low power draw.
Great examples and comparisons. Thank you for sharing this information comparing Pies to Desktops at this price point.
I always wait for your new videos and this comparison is freaking awesome
"If you are under 14 years of age, you do not have permission to view this video." I did not have the impression that 9 year olds read a 200+ word long description BEFORE watching a video on YT.
I never understood why ETA's videos had that warning. I started watching his videos a while back when I was 13 (I am 14 now). Like what is the worst thing that can happen from this knowledge?
@@brandonstevens6886 Possibly trying to clear himself from any COPPA issues? I'm not sure how necessary or warranted that is, though.
@@CortezPlays: Yeah, I think it's probably an extra measure to make sure the video isn't classed as "made for kids" along with all the problems it would come with.
Personally I'm of the opinion that it's unnecessary in the grand scheme of things (if whether the video was made for kids was called into question, the disclaimer wouldn't really contribute, just like the "this is fair use" notices) but I can see why and don't have a problem with it either. That said, the majority (if not all) of his content isn't unsuitable for kids either, just as how many daytime TV shows aren't made for kids but aren't unsuitable for them either, and most people would disregard the notice anyway.
@@brandonstevens6886 as an autist when I first started posting videos I answered "not suitable for minors" mostly because I thought they would be bored senseless with the content. But then I reasoned that could be true of any age :-)
@@CortezPlays 100% because of COPPA
Excellent video. I always wondered where the pic landed in actual desktop standards.
Wasn’t even asking but stumbled across this and realised it was a great idea for a review. Thanks for the info!
I have the Pi 4 to use in my Casita when I travel. It serves as replacement for an Optiplex 9010 that I use at home. Is it as good? Nope. Is it better than my similarly spec'ed Latitude laptop? Not really, but closer. The one area where it excels is in power consumption (or lack thereof). I use solar panels to keep my Casita charged up & the laptop puts a significantly bigger drain on the battery. The Optiplex is definitely no bueno in that use case.
From a prepping standpoint, I'd like to see Word and Excel run on either of these -- or their equivalents. Thanks for the comparison.
Virtually every Linux distro I've tried in the last 20 years, whether run live or installed to HDD/SDD has Open Office or Libre Office by default.
Either will open most Microsoft Office files and save in those formats if needed.
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Love the video. Great narrative and video
Very sensible and real world comparison for those without the time or hardware to check for themselves. Thanks for making this video.
Considering buying one of these Dells for my ALU cabinet. Thanks for the video =0)
Keep in mind these prices are jacked up due to Covid, 790s should still be going for like $60
If you look around, you can find them for around $40, not long ago, i picked 8 of em up at $35 a piece
@@nathanhamman418 Agreed, my pricing is just a reflection of what's on Ebay currently.
From brazil is super expecive
(Just checking on ebay) Where I live, a seller's trying to hawk these for $30+ for just the chassis (& $20 to ship) - no processor, nothing. *WdF* 🤦🤦🤦
Running the mouse around the stack of them, they're all scuffed up with some looking like a badge was removed - prob school lot. Schools will sometimes yank the drives, not the CPUs, dvd drives, etc. They spent the time doing that themselves. 🤦🤦🤦
in my country, before the COVID these were found around 169$CAD while a Pi4 4gb kit is 139$CAD
thanks! your video was really useful ❤
Thanks for including power drawn stats :)
Taki was always my favorite character too.... Great maneuverability... lol
Thanks for the comparison, interesting topic. PC may be faster but pi is much more multi OS aware. Video replay playback through TH-cam on 4K is not realistic for a pi unless one uses a pi codec for that. Keep up the good wojk 👍🏻
a PC runs far far far more OSes then a Pi, even MacOS! It is also able to run Windows in a practical, useful manner rather than just a proof of concept.... In what ways is it 'multi OS aware'? Because there are an infinite variety of Linux / Raspbian Rip Offs available?
What does 'multi OS aware' even mean? Pretty much every major OS has a good x86 port. Many treat their ARM ports as second class citizens.
Good video! Thought about getting one, have done some research into it and have decided to not get one or two for my kiddos at this moment. I am a IT tech so power matters no matter how small the difference, and this would be for my kiddos but I if I can teach them on older models that perform as well if not better than I will go that route. Very informative thank you, I will seek future updates when other interation come into play. Once again thank you.
Did not realize that you were able to get raspberry pi is on a desktop. Brought life back into my old laptop that before hand couldn't run windows or other os's very well. Sadly I've never used it and unsure where to start. Would love a video on the installation and how you can get steam/retroarch on it and also just a basic tutorial to using raspberry pi desktop. I'm sure there are out there but you videos are always easy to follow and cover Avery thing to get you started so would love to maybe see one in the future. Thanks for all you do and look forward to learning more!!
Great vid, can you test out the The Atari VCS PC/console hybrid when its available, I believe their releasing them as I write this, would be cool to add emulators on that and see if its worth it.
For my use case, Pi4-4GB, Pi4-8GB and even the older Pi3B+ meets or exceeds all my needs, and has other advantages. I took my 3B+ with me overseas with a few bootable USB Sticks, one for a laptop replacement, one for a media server, one for a VPN to home. Something the size of 2 decks of cards, runable from a 20,000mAH battery pack, usable with smart phones, tablets, etc., far outweigh the minor system improvements of a laptop or desktop when travelling. I used to use the "PC on a Stick" devices, and any PI blows them away. Is it a 'desktop' replacement? IMO not my home desktop. Does it replace a desktop in almost every other situation? You betcha. Forgot to mention my grandsons can have their own PIs, and if something gets corrupted, 30 second replacement of a USB stick and they are back up and running.
How much battery life did you get with that 20k mah battery pack?
Nice to know! Helps me make a purchase decision!
Thanks for the video.
For me honest at the moment I would choose the RPI 4, and have. We live in a small trailer that is already dominated by tower computers, and even a ssf has a large footprint compared to the rpi 4. The power draw is also a factor since a Rpi takes much less power and can with a battery powered touch reactive monitor be moved around with much less trouble than a ssf or even a ussf computer.
I just dig on the idea of having more than one sbc around to mod, and make with.
I've been using my Pi4 as my desktop for months now. It's tweaked and overclocked and 1080p30 TH-cam works fine but 60 frames per second does strangle it. 10bit X265 video works good in VLC now as well. I'd say that it's pretty much equivalent to a Core2Duo Intel computer. The I3 is definitely more powerful. For 99% of what I do though the Pi works great and it uses next to no power. I have a 12 core Mac Pro if I have to do anything that needs real muscle but the lights dim when I turn it on.
Interesting. What kind of things do you get up to on the rPi?
Its about the same computing power of a Celeron J1900 which you can get for 150 RMB in China (eq. to 20-30 bucks in US). think about that.
@@yaolet I see some of those on Ebay for about 50 dollars. No ram included. Mini-itx board.
can you run office or other x86 apps at normal speeds?
@@LMT069 yes
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for the video sir.
It would be interesting to do the math behind the cost of electricity. It would vary hugely based on KW/h prices around the world tho. Also, second hand stuff often comes with no warranty, and, when it works, it ALWAYS is more cost-efficient than a new product.
Good comparison. I wonder how ETA's favourite mini PC for emulation the Lenovo M93P stacks up against the Pi4.
I still wonder if a budget phone and USB dock can also match the Pi 4 for performance and power consumption, even if a little extra in price.
Great information.
Earlier this year I bought the micro PC version of the Dell 3020 for £100. They're not as common as your version and mine has the slightly less powerful pentium G4400, but it's about 1/6 of the size of the normal optiplex. Works great as a emulation box for my TV and for light steam games.
Here in Sweden you can usually get a Lenovo ThinkCenter M93P with an i5-4570T, 8GB RAM and a 500GB HDD for ~$100 and it's a very small and great computer.
Bought one for my parents and installed a 240GB SSD in it and it works like a charm.
Just bought the exact same machine for my Dad at $110 plus a new ssd. Replaced a very old and loud AMD machine. Very nice machine, but still a bit pricey for a 2014 pc, imo. Probably a cov*d thing.
@@antibrevity Way better than all the laptops and desktops I've seen on eBay being well overpriced. People seem to be delusional with their pricing on eBay as far as computing goes.
@@antibrevity from my experience, second hand PC prices, particularly office surplus, are going back down... sometimes even lower than pre-Covid times.
Soul calibur / soul edge Taki, my favorite too back in the arcade days :D
Ur vids are so fun to watch. Just so u know, u got a kid interested
Very informative
You can easily find very similar PCs on ebay for $60~ without storage. It can be cheaper to buy the PC plus storage depending on what you need.
I think a lot of this is how you define a desktop computer. Personally I do not consider gaming to be a desktop function but a gaming function. I have been using a Pi4-4 as my daily driver for over a year. For web browsing, email, documents, FreeCAD, video playback, etc it has been fine. I also have a quad core Xeon but the only time I boot it now is for video conversion (Handbrake). I originally bought the Pi (my first) to just do video playback(on big screen TV) but figured I would try it as a desktop to see how bad it would be. Basically just for S&G, I was stunned how well it actually performed.
Brad Quinn Agreed. Gaming is for my X Box.
At the peak of the Covid 19 lockdown in April, I used a Raspberry Pi3, not even 3B+ as a desktop for 2 months. I used the Pi to connect to my office remote machine via Citrix and it was flawless save for mic.
The comparison would be more fair if hardware acceleration was used for video playback.
Thanks for your sharing 👍
If only RPi has full hardware acceleration, in web browser especially
The x86 PC still easily beat the Pi out.
yeap. thats the only thing that keeps me away from buying it. i hope they change their soc with next release and go for something that has better drivers than this gpu
@@IndellableHatesHandles Not in 4K video playback. The Pi4 has H.265 hardware decoding while the 4th gen Intel core doesn't.
TH-cam on Kodi runs much better than the brower. Kodi uses hardware acceleration.
@@CheapBastard1988 Not a particularly enticing feature, especially considering a lot of other software is too hard to run on the Pi.
So at my current rates(ish) The yearly electrical cost (if left idle all year) is $23.1948 for the pc and the Pi would cost a whopping $3.40559. So in theory, you could run 6.8 Pi 4's for the same electrical cost as 1 "low power" desktop PC.... Neat.
And yes, i'm bored at work today, hence the pointless math lol.
This is the right question to ask, though. If a machine is going to be left on all the time (e.g. smart home applications, timelapse cameras, monitoring, a million things) it should be a Raspberry Pi (or even a Raspberry Pi Zero.) If you are going to play a game, fine, turn on a powerful and powerhungry desktop machine.
@@TaiViinikka: Yes, ideally, what we should be able to do, was to use the small one to output audio and video, along with the basic stuff. Then, when we wanted more power, we could boot up an x86 and have it run heavier stuff and send it to the rpi for output. Unfortunately, the software isn't quite there yet.
I’d like to see more comparisons!
When I first watched this video, earlier in the day I had evaluated an RPi4 to replace my Atom D525 media center PC and came to the same conclusion: an RPI4 wouldn't do what I needed. I'm having problems with web video stuttering at full screen resolution (720p).The RPI4 did the same (albeit at 1080p). It has the additional problem that some of the apps I want (most notably the Clementine music player) aren't available for ARM. I ended up doing exactly what the video suggested, I bought a used Optiplex 3020 micro (smaller than SFF).
Another thing I'll note is that the RaspiOS desktop doesn't do panel hiding well ... which is something I really like to have on HTPCs. When you maximize windows, they cover the panel. The 3020 will have enough juice to run a KDE desktop, which I can setup with a nice task bar panel.
Great video. It really depends on what do you use it for. Optimized desktop apps and light gaming? Optiplex. Node.js server or just replacing you google home or chromecast? Raspberry Pi.
My pi4 is a seedbox+NAS that runs 24/7, so the 5w power consumption is very nice. A 50w x86 PC would cost me $74 in electricity a year, the pi4 is $7.40 :)
It would honestly be neat to see a SBC powered by Qualcomm's snapdragon chips. Think about what a Pi could do if it had the power of a modern flagship phone at its disposal. With that kind of CPU horsepower you could probably have a legitimate contest between the two here.
My phone runs an Snapdragon 865. I can run games at my max screen resolution (3200x1440) locked at 60fps all day if I want to (battery permitting of course).
@randy s Oh wow. I honestly didn't know about these. Thanks for pointing them out!
A Ryzen 4800U laptop chip would crush either. Snapdragon chips are designed with phone constraints in mind, and in any case cannot touch the single core performance of a good x86 chip yet. Only the lowest clocked, most heat/power constrained x86 CPUs are in range of ARM. Hence why Apple silicon beats Intel silicon in Apple devices, because Apple doesn't cool their laptops properly AT ALL.
@@KyussTheWalkingWorm I'm pretty sure a 4800U would wipe the floor with either system here. The point of going snapdragon over x86 was to keep it arm based, while gaining significant power over the pi. If you want a ryzen maker board, they exist. If you really want an x86 sbc, things like the latte panda exist as well. The whole point was to stay on arm, as that is the architecture the pi uses.
FluorineWizard Apple’s cooling was fine until the 2018 model Pro. Arguably this was Intel’s fault, as they had promised OEMS like Apple more energy efficient 10nm chips by that year, so the OEMs designed around it. By the time Intel announced the delay it was likely already too late to redesign the machines.
Also you’re talking about single core performance. In single core performance the A12z still lags behind slightly from the current MacBook Pro i7. The strength is in its multi core performance.
Great video ETA. I would be interested in a comparison between the ras-pi4 and an Optiplex MFF. Especially it's power consumption.
Nice video. I think you should be talking more about which projects are better done on Raspberry Pis rather than using a full desktop PC.
This is like bringing a gun to a knife fight. x86 will stomp the Pi all day performance-wise.
I just got a Lenovo Thinkcentre m72e with a i3-2122, 8GB of DDR3 and 500GB drive for $60 with Windows 10 Pro. Also $70 a Dell 9010 US-SFF which is smallest, only the Tiny version of this similar in size to the Thinkcentre I just mention would be smaller, same specs except a faster i3, same ram except the Thinkcentre has SODIMMS and the Dell standard DIMMS. I have a Raspberry Pi 3B+ and I tired to install Open Media Vault a few times, never got it to work right. Not sure what I'm going to do with the Pi now; Yeah I could run Pi Hole on it or set it up as a VPN server but x86 is more robust even of those activities.
x86 will stomp ARM all day long. Even the highest performance ARM chip is still behind even midrange x86 chips. Only place ARM is really good is performance per watt. Which is not really a factor in most desktop situations. Even if you run off solar, a desktop eating 250-300 watt is not a problem.
@@harshbarj Looks like we might need to update our statements with the release of the M1..
@@harshbarj have you heard about Apple M1 Chip?
@@rolandjosef7961 @TAG Media It's still way behind most desktop X86 chips. It's not even on par with my 6 year old I5(but close). For arm it's a good chip, but still not a good choice for high end use. Note that many "review" sites only bench it against other mobile chips. Few actually compare it to a true desktop chip. My Ryzen 7 3700x simply kills the M1. Plus with the M1, you can have a max of 16GB of ram. I need 32GB minimum and 64GB ideal.
Don't get me wrong, it's a good chip and I am glad to see it. Perhaps one day soon we will get a better, non apple, chip.
If you're spending that much on a Pi then you've missed the point.
hey, if you want a cluster for heavy memory usage tasks its still justificable.. or eve for experimentation..
Great video interesting to see, video core 6 drivers are still not ready for raspberry pi 4, which is very disappointing and why TH-cam playback is not optimal, there is only minor gpu improvements over the pi 3b+.
I set one up for my sons with the default Linux Raspberian "Noobs" OS. I already had a 1080p curved monitor, keyboard, and mouse. Works solid for their needs, mostly internet usage through the built-in Wi-Fi, and browser based games.
It would be interesting to compare the RPi4 with one of the mini PC's running the Celeron J3455, J4125 and the Atom x5-Z8500
Your right but my Blink mini cost around $270.
There are many other variants. The rasp3+ and 4 are good desktop options for many reasons besides little projects. Guess I really need to make my own videos on it.
could you share some uses, I am researching if I should get a pi
@@vexzel5550 Besides a small low powered pc and a retro console, you can use it as a surveilance camera (there are cheaper raspberry models than 3 and 4 for that, but they still work), a network safety station taking care of ads and other things, an automatic watering system for your plants, a smart home system, portable computer or handheld, and there's probably more but I can't remember them all right now xD
I think it's even used as a central part in cusom 3d printers.
I have the Pi 4 all-in-one keyboard unit. I love it for basic computing.
YES, THANKS FOR THIS VID
Honestly a bit surprised at the performance you are getting with your 8Gb Pi. Under Ubuntu Mate ARM64 running Wayland + Gnome (Using the Chromium Snap) I can get around 30 FPS on that exact aquarium test with 1000 selected. Its rare to see the official PI OS perform considerably worse than a third-party solution.
Raspberry/Raspbian has a long way ahead to give you a desktop replacement.
That depends entirely on one's needs. Mine are mostly C programming and related work, and the pi4 has replaced my desktop machine for the past 2 months for everything except for occasional Steam use (for which i fall back to my laptop). My only major gripe with the pi distros is that they have no Firefox newer than version 68, and that one is flaky on the pi (crashes nearly 100% of the time when left to sit idle overnight). x86 is still top dog by a wide margin, but the pi4 is most definitely usable as a primary desktop.
@@StephanBeal Indeed, you can do many things but for the whole experience you need a pc.
For what most people do, facebook and twitter and such with the occasional email I'd say it's already that.
Wait until RPi 5 comes out next year ! It will kill old x86 desktops, especially if it has something faster than the old SD Card UHS interface.
@@jackpatteeuw9244 a recent arm powerful PC is the beelink gt king.. Maybe something like that
That’s a nice solution for an audio server, using ROON. You normally use an Intel NUC, and install it’s own version of Linux and run it as a headless server. You need more power than a RPi, you use the RPi as an endpoint for the server.
Nice video. Nice to have the power usages and to know another option. I guess it will depend a lot on what you use it for. And some people will probably not want to buy second hand.
I think if you just want it to do a few things like look up recipes, read email in the kitchen on the TV for example then you would not need a 8GB model and you would likely have a 12v power supply etc. around anyway. Also the space needed for the PC case would be a problem. A lot of people with slow internet are going to be watching TH-cam at 360 or even 240 anyway. The most I ever use is 720.
For me a power usage and it being silent are Big pluses to.
I guess a cheap second-hand tablet might work in this case though.
I plan on running my pie in a fish tank full of mineral oil and disco lights just because. 🥳
I couldn't believe it when i found out ESXi runs on Raspberry pi
Yeah, this is an important question. In fact on the advice of your previous videos I picked up an optiplex 780. I got it from a local advertisement for £35 which, for context, is the same price as the 2gb rpi4 in the UK.
I migrated from my Surface 2 Pro/Windows 10 to RPi 4b w/4GB RAM + Corsair 512 GB USB Flash drive about a month ago. I've only gone back to empty my Outlook Junk folder. The RPi 4b is a great little SBC that handles all of my daily needs. YT video playback @ 1080p HD, no problem. Only wish I had waited for the 8 GB model's release. Oh well, now I'm holding out for the CM4 release. ;-)
The pi will also be quieter tbf. Chonky desktops are always a bit noisy.
I run dual fans on my Pi and the cat snores louder.
Have an old Office PC... Ultra silent. I thinks it's a Fujitsu
It would be cool to see someone figure out how to add a gpu to a raspberry pie 4 and benchmark it.
It has a GPU. Broadcom VI. But they are a bit closed regarding its specs. There is a recent Vulkan driver - i had been using the experimental build ... much faster. From what i see it is build in to the kernel now.
I was watching 1080p with no dropped frames. Unlikely to.want to stream 4k
The pi3 - some dude made a Full vulkan drive for that. He was playing Doom on it. Decent performance.
@@stephenhookings1985 source for pi3?
Your analysis is all about video and gaming performance--and fair enough that is what many ppl look for.
However there is another group of desktop users: those who want to run massive spreadsheets and/or databases and/or accounting packages. I wonder how these two platforms compare for those users??
Awesome comparison as usual but I would love to see Plex/emby transcoding and possibility of server hosting.
A lattepanda v1 probably stands a better chance i think (the cheapest one goes down to 89 bucks)
Problem with that $89 "LattePanda" is that it only comes with a 2GB DDR3L RAM. To get a better performance, atleast the 4GB Model is needed (which costs $149).
@@Sup_D at that point u might as well get the lattepanda delta (which also comes with 4 GB of ram)
@@nikkytheawesome7556 Guess that's true as well, since "LattePanda Delta 432" costs $39 more (@ $188).
But it also depends if one wants to save that $39 or not (someone, who needs a good small-factor device as Raspberry Pi, but wants a x86 system at lower cost).
Man, I still want a Lattepanda Alpha, but it's still just a tad too expensive to justify, especially with the Core m series processor. Core m is pretty decent compared to Celeron/Pentium but $400+ is still quite a bit for an SBC, and that's without accessories...
Now I wish we would start seeing more SBCs with at least Pentium processors, and ideally Core m processors. I'm getting a little bored seeing all the Celeron-based SBCs out there.
Im gonna be using one of these pi's to build a music streamer to hook up to my audio system
I would recommend you a pi 3 b+ cuz it is the best too stream in compression to price and performance!
just made on couple days back
@@seanjohnsovic yea i meant the pi in general but yea there's a hat you can put on the pi and gives it i believe optical and BNC out and then you can also get the case for it and i was gonna get like a UPNP or squeeze box streaming OS on the SD card and have it pull music from the cloud or whatever other servers like spotify or tidal or quobuz or whatever and then it also would be hooked up to my NAS for local storage of music
Do some research - the audio isn't top notch. I'm using the ASUS Tinker Board - they have a place to solder a rca digital out. With the Raspberry PI you are going to have to spend another 50.00 for another board to sit on it.
The Raspberry Pi is a jack-of-all-trades/master-of-none. You're far better off with the $100 ebay PC.
I picked up a couple of 9020's with Ubuntu preloaded for less than $100 each off Ebay about a year ago. Couldn't be happier.
I use my $100 Dell Venue 11 Pro daily as a laptop/tablet. It an i5 clocked really low, 8gb ram, 256gb sdd, and even has 4g card.
Once I upgrade my desktop GPU I plan on using the old one with an eGPU m.2 adapter. With a pico psu plus the throttling OC hack makes it a pretty capable "almost" portable gaming pc.
Just reading some of these comments is just too funny. People making remarks on the 'PC vs mobile processor' and the power usage being a unfair comparison.
At the end of the day, you pick what runs best for "your" applications and/or projects. Personally would rather have a dedicated processor that can do my streaming, listening to music, then having my kids over to work on their school work and playing Minecraft that doesn't go over 120watts.
You want to compare the incomparable.
Two hardware with different proposals and for different uses.
Each is good enough within what it was designed to do.
Even so, I found an interesting and intelligent video, so I like it.
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Thanks! This was exactly what I was looking for. Though after all that marketing from Raspberry Pi, I am disappointed :D I guess if you were just doing regular web surfing and checking email or Word docs or something it would be OK, but I had never thought about just picking up a used PC off Ebay!
I've been looking to pick up an optiplex too or a raspberry pi. This video helped me make up my mind. They're both for the purpose of experimenting. However I just find ebay soo sketchy
Of course x86 win performance. But... Some needs add more value to form factor and electricity consumption
Its become a confused market for the PC gamer becuase of the incremental improvements in the intel i series CPU line ups, I have a dell 9020 i7 4970 and its a kick butt set up, does all I need but only recently has started to show its age with just a handful of high end recent titles, but even then I can get away with low settings still on almost 8 year old machines in some cases 10 years, never has there been a time like this to pick up second hand pre-builts to stretch your dollar. Mind you i live in Australia and they tend to demand a higher premium than what you get in the states but its still decent to find ok deals on ebay or elsewhere.
Since the days of the IBM pc 8086, it is a continuous leapfrog, software gets bigger, pc gets faster,,,,,,,etc. It hasn't stopped yet !
Soul calibur 🤤 that was my jam 🔥 content
Some of us love the DIY feeling. Any mom can buy a pc in the box. I like the feeling of selecting my own os. Improving it for what i need. You mention os or even browser to most people and you get a wtf stare. I never met any one that adds arduinos and shields to the box under the desk. johnP
I always have the same type of mind set, I love the raspberry pi, but my home arcade have an old x86 inside insted.
Otro punto a favor del Rpi4 es que no genera ruido, es muy silencioso al tenerlo en el cuarto o sala, por otro lado creo que los modelos de 4 y 8 gb están sobrevalorados porque no se aprovecha toda esa ram para los proyectos que se realizan en el, navegar, videos, emulación entonces el modelo de 2gb es el que trae mejor costo/beneficio. Saludos.
Hace puras comparaciones de juego.... Pero para cosas basicas esta bien... Yo utiliso Ubuntu Mate en para la escuela de mi hija y funciona muy bien..Zoom,libre office ,pinta ect.
@@vfletes1 Y en tiempo de respuesta al abrir navegador, y esas cosas, es tardado? O sea, si vienes de una PC de escritorio con ssd se va a notar mucho?
Thank you for video.
One is brand new, the other is second hand - this is big difference. Also starting price was different;) Please consider basic efficiency coefficient:
n = cores * GFLOPS_per_core * disk_throughput / (price * power)
all numbers should be measured, due to funny commercial tricks of product greatness. Latency could be also taken into account, as well as random access IO capabilities. This coefficient is very basic and simplified way of benchmarking (optimal is modern game console running custom bare machine stuff).
The Haswell Optiplex boxes are seriously my favorite cheap PCs. They're extremely easy to service, almost everything can be done with no tools. Haswell is the earliest generation today that I feel the average user can use and not feel like anything is outdated - I've gotten friends Haswell Optiplexes and with an SSD and at least 8GB RAM none of them feel the computer is "slow". Of course, bonus is that since the Optiplexes are standard boxes, if you're into Hackintosh they're also great targets for that. It seems that the 4th gen Haswell and 3rd gen Ivy Bridge are the most common Optiplexes being liquidated these days, and while you can still find older ones (back to even Core2 Duo) there's literally no price advantage.
ETA Prime tests an i3 configuration - for around $150-200 though you can go all out and get an i7-4790K based system. Max out the RAM at 32GB for another maybe $120 and toss in an SSD. For under $400 you can build a system that honestly is far superior to any off-the-shelf $400 PC today, and will probably still last you quite a while (Haswell is still widely supported on all major operating systems and is new enough to have some of the CPU features that are coming into greater demand with machine learning.)
@@rockapartie Yeah, I actually just put together another build for my music studio, based on a Precision T1700, Xeon E3-1245, and 32GB of ECC DDR3 RAM. I already had an SSD laying around, so other than that, total cost to me was $200. The Precision T1700 is basically the "workstation" version of the Optiplex x020 series, main diff being support for ECC RAM (it's not registered, so e.g. 12800E, not 12800R). The Xeon 1245 is basically the i7-4790 in terms of performance. It's amazing that we can get this somewhat older tech for so cheap today! From a value proposition, if you have $200-300 to spend on a computer, you're much better off getting a used older system than a brand new one!