The whole point of Dae-su cutting his tongue out at the end was to show that he was apologizing for "talking too much." The form of self-sacrifice he chose was actually relevant to the crime that he was being accused of, and that's why Joo-win was moved to spare Mido. Joe just imprisoning himself for no reason cause he feels bad is so dumb.
Also he said he would be Joo-win's dog to save her, so it could be connected to that as well. Anyways I never thought of that connection! Thank you for enlightening me
The dumpling that they use in the korea version is a type of dumpling that you often get as a side-dish when ordering delivery food. So it implies that the character is probably eating a side-dish of someone else’s main dish for fifteen years. Just an extra info dump,
@@AcidOverseer Oedipus doesn't apply because the original manga that all this is based on doesn't have the incest element - it's a fairly basic revenge story. The SK adaptation basically added that twist to make the film its own thing. And besides, it's not like every story that has surprise incest in it is based off of Oedipus.
I love how Oh Desu's reaction to the villain at the end mirrors how he acted in the first captivity scene when the guard brought him food. He pleads, he threatens, he gets violent, then switches back to pleading once he realises he truly has no power
Another fun fact. He begins licking the villains shoes, his source of imprisonment, like how he began licking his hand upon tasting the rain when he was almost to freedom at the start of the movie.
*The only thing the remake got right from the original is the hammer. 3/10* -an actual South Korean Critic's review of Oldboy(2013). Can't be more accurate
@@KillThad it's from a south korean website, so even if I give you the link, I'm not sure if you can read it but here it goes. It's the review at the bottom. movie.naver.com/movie/bi/mi/point.nhn?code=87556
Also love the parallelism of Oh Dae-Su holding that stranger from falling off the building and Woo Jin holding his sister from falling off the bridge, both of whom die while Oh Dae-Su could have potentially prevented it.
Varun and TheMightyHaegr You two have a very keen eye I didn’t notice these until you both mentioned them. Just further proof of this movie’s competence in comparison to Spike’s “interpretation”. You could probably go back and find nothing that really makes you analyze the film like the original. That whole scene in the remake where his daughter gets the stupid Buddha is the writers and Spike desperately trying to capture that sort of feeling but it instead falls flat on it’s face for having almost no relevancy to the plot since she had never seen it in the first place. Oldboy (2003) > Oldboy (2013)
that's such a good point! we're given so much information in that first introduction, but what's key to the plot is the simple fact that "oh talks too much".
You know something really important about Oldboy? Oh Dae-su is just some fuckin guy. He's complicated, he's a drunk, he neglects his family...he's just another dude in the world. And when he seeks his revenge, he's never cool and stoic. He's always just some guy, plus 1 fresh crazy pill. You never ever ever see what he's doing as cool or inspirational. He's not a morally ambiguous Hollywood action hero, with a deep gravely voice. He's just a person. And that's why he's so potent.
Did you watch the film? The hallway scene as well as his extreme tactics like torture are meant to excite as well as disturb. Oh Dae su was a normal guy who became a psycho because of the imprisonment which is what the antagonist wanted. I do agree with your point the remake wants us to like joe despite him being significantly worse before imprisonment
South Korea actually requires all adult citizens to serve a compulsory period in their military so it’s very likely he has had martial arts training as a young man. Definitely a jumping off point for him to train himself well over 15 years.
I don't even think this even needs to be said since the way he trained was just basic punches and dodges with a lot of pain tolerance. The guy was also fighting goons who weren't exactly the best and while it was choreographed, it wasn't over the top. He even got his ass kicked by a real expert at the end. That version could make sense even in a US release but they had to make him John Wick for some nonsense.
Why say "all adult citizens" when we all know damn well it's only male citizens? It's like you have some type of compulsion to ignore systemic mistreatment of men.
The idea of doing a long form review in which you pitch two movies against each other and illustrate why one succeeds and the other fails is fascinating and I hope you explore it more in the future.
@damian martinez I heard a positive review compare Dae-Su to a feral cat and Brolin to a raging Bull. They liked that aspect of it and respected the reinterpretation presenting him as pretty different than what came before. Not saying its right or wrong, but I think that kind of change could have made for a different fight dynamic. Less martial arts and more brute force (but the movie's not too good so I guess we're not getting that haha).
I love how you can tell Elizabeth Olsen fucking hates the movie, and then there's literally a clip where she's like "Go watch foreign movies. Not enough people see 'em!"
@@InvaderGIR98well look it says a lot of good things about her that she hates this movie but lets not go so far as to feel bad for her for getting paid probably quite a lot of money to act in a shitty movie.
I'm going to get a degree in film school and make a shit remake of "Do the Right Thing" just so Spike Lee knows how it feels. Vengeance is a part of me now.
@Geralt of Trivia Yes but after my shitty remake I will purposely make award winning films afterward. So when I become famous, people will ask me "hey what was up with your one shitty Spike Lee movie reboot" and I'll say " Spike Lee had it coming". My entire career will be for this purpose, so after that I will retire and watch the sun set upon a grateful universe.
oi gee boi i fooked my sister oh wow as if that's not like 90% of usa do that every day and that's legal in most of the world and also no one fucking cares who you fuck it's not 1700s
On the "rubber ducky" subject, the original Oldboy had the scene where she discovers the angel wings he had gotten her so long ago. They don't mean anything to her, she puts them on and you see it doesn't really hold any value to her (can't remember her name ATM). However, the magnitude that the shot has on the viewer, to see her with those wings on as she sits on the bed at the "prison", is absolutely tremendous. Thank you so much for this incredible review.
I can't stop laughing at the "FATHER!" part of the video, just every line that you've said is briliant and makes this already stupid scene 10 times funnier
Oh Dae-su's hair style corresponds with his mental state, every time. Another subtle detail in a movie that is so carefully crafted. I love Park Chan-Wook.
Is anyone else really annoyed that Spike Lee was so against one of his films being remade? You're literally remaking a film by another director...why are you so damn special? So arrogant to be honest.
After rewatching that clip like a dozen times, I THINK what he meant was "it's gonna be another good story", because of what he said right beforehand. Still confusing as shit, and it's very clear how unenthusiastic he was about this whole thing lol.
One thing that one reviewer pointed out was that the hammer fight makes much more sense in the original because Korea has very strict gun laws. The remake takes place in Louisiana. It makes next to no sense that he or the thugs would not have a firearm.
Right? It would make great sense that the guards are fighting with a bunch of melee weapons in the original. But in the American version, they really expect us to believe that not one guard in a secret mercenary prison would have a gun on them??
Exactly! Hence why I feel like, if he wanted to do this movie SO bad...why not do it in a country with a stricter laws? It would've made a lot more sense if it took place in England or something. Either way, the remake sucked and did horribly on the Box Office, and I'm glad.
Korea is a country with strict gun laws. Korean police don't try to force the gangs down, they try to manage them (because even if they do, another organization will be formed). However, if a gangster uses a gun, the military, not the police, will be dispatched to clear it up, so Korean gangsters cannot use a gun even if they have it.
One detail that I really appreciated about the scene where Oh Dae-su tries to force himself through the feeding door of his prison is just how effortless the guard handles it. The way he manages to force Oh Dae-su back into his cell and then close the door/seal the latch using only his feet and without saying a word conveys a lot of information in a really simple an seamless way. For Oh Dae-su his world has been turned completely upside down, but for the guard this is just another day in a job he's seemingly done hundreds if not thousands of times before Oh Dae-su even arrived. It's the first hint we get that these are not amateurs and that while Oh Dae-su is the main focus, he likely isn't the only prisoner, which also teases the fact that his jailers might not be the ones with a vendetta, but rather some sort of weird and twisted business.
I'm actually in a History Of Black Film class rn and we spent a unit on Spike Lee movies. I told my prof "The one thing I will never forgive him for is Oldboy 2013." His face darkened, he sighed, and said "Ain't nobody forgiving him for that." XD
LMAO your professor sounds amazing. Like even the thought of it hurt him to think about. Honestly me every time I think about the fact that Ang Lee made that Hulk movie
@@MorshuGayming Why? Black film has existed in parallel with mainstream film since film itself was invented, and yet because of discriminatory practices it was and remains both incredibly niche and incredibly exploited. Why WOULDN'T there be a history of black film class?
The sad part about the hammer fight in the remake is that it’s completely divorced of context. In the original the reason it’s a total melee is because guns are very scarce in South Korea so thugs would just have whatever they can find. In America those thugs would absolutely have guns but it’s Oldboy so gotta have a hammer fight I guess. Same with the dumplings. Not only does this movie not give a shit but it’s actively not trying to localize and innovate on the original.
Also part of it is, I assume, due to the tight quarters. Oldboy 2013 was not only in America but not cramped enough to warrant too much fear of shooting off firearms
@@lethalcontact365 that would be cool but wouldn't really make sense for the character. I just wish they had been more innovative and tried to make it feel more American, not just look it.
@@TheHutcharmy they should of had it as the main character being a marine that is a alcohol and a bum an for the the American version of a hall way fight they would of had him shooting at gangster with a shotgun after being ambushed by them after the torture season.
I was so enthralled by your in-depth analysis of the original old boy, that I would honestly forget you were comparing it to the remake. So anytime you transitioned to Spike Lee's version I would instantly grow disappointed because I just wanted to see more the original. If I have that feeling during a TH-cam review I can only imagine how disappointing watching the entire remake must be.
For real, not only is this video a YMS Review for OldBoy (2013) is also a a great review and analysis of Oldboy (2003). I watched the original when I was 14 and stupid, and I thought it was just "alright". I never revisited the film because "I already know the twist, so what's the point?" but Adam really showed why it's a great film and it's not just because of the twist, the entire thing is a beautifully crafted and well-acted movie.
The poster of the "re-interpretation" is hilarious! I mean, the guy just seems like he is a child in a cardboard box and saying "I am in the best car of the world, I am speed"
The guy looks like he was transported through magical means inside this box into some different world or something. Like Alice in the Wonderland but the protagonist is older angry guy who is going to kick some ass.
I also really like that in the original Oldboy the guy taking revenge makes sure to keep Oh Dae-su alive, keep him healthy, keep him satisfied while on his quest for revenge(Paying the guy off to not attack Oh Dae-su, severing and giving him the hand of the guy he wanted to take to give him what he wants, etc). He's playing by the rules he set, he's being fair. Sure he was a horrible despicable person for doing that to someone in the first place and ruining a guy's life, but at the very least he has a set of principles he follows and sticks to, and is a respectable villain. That's compelling, that's a damn good villain.
That is part of why I consider him one of the greatest villians of cinema. Just imagine how much of a mindfuck it would be to have someone both trying to destroy your life and also giving you money and the things you want..?
A quick side note: In the original manga, the protagonist goes captive for ten years. Park added five for a reason. The limitation period on first degree murder was 15 years in Korea back then. Oh was framed for killing his wife, and there is a scene Lee sending Oh a chat message stating his false charge has been lifted (56:34). This period had been extended to 25 years in 2007, and finally gone limitless in 2015. A simple question: Why the hell did Spike Lee extend another five?
@@clashmanthethird heck yeah, and for every adaption they should also make the captivity scene 10 minutes longer, to really emphasize the time to the viewer
Every Single time you were talking about the original i was so invested. But then when you went to the....re-imagining....I always said "No! Go back to the original!" Edit: I have seen the original OldBoy. I just kept getting more invested each time he would talk about that one over the 2013 movie.
Exactly! I kinda want to see the original. Even if it's already all spoiled it still sounds so good. The remake almost sounds like something that actually WOULD star Will Smith nowadays.
@@iamaunicorn1232 It's definitely still worth watching even if you've spoiled it for yourself. It's just an amazing work from start to finish and there are a lot of great little moments he didn't talk about in this review.
The 2003 'big reveal' scene is honestly jaw dropping im not sure who's crazier, the director for writing such script or the actor for acting it out so genuinely.
I watched that movie on Vudu the second I saw the YMS notification, and that bit made me feel physically ill... but in an awestruck way. It’s the perfect revenge movie that portrays the consequences of being consumed by vengeance
To me it seemed like he himself wasn't on board with his remake of oldboy, but did it because it was the right business move at that point maybe. probably a dumb studio exec made him do it we don't know the full story
@@knurdyob Also, Spike Lee owns his own production company, and has for many years. So nobody *forced* him into it, except maybe his own sense of greed and entitlement.
Can we talk about the graphic designer who got screwed over and not paid and then they told him "it's good because you'll still get exposure"... Like, will this ever stop happening to artists?
That’s so depressing, because his posters are so good u can tell he put so much effort into making these posters look awesome for the film and what he gets, being treated horribly
It was: Lee Woo-jin said "Your tongue got her pregnant" just in a few scenes before, and Oh Dae-su cutting his tongue was a way to show him he was never going to do something like that again.
If the remake wasn't so terrible Adam wouldn't have made a video comparing the two films and i wouldn't have watched the original, so in a way some good did come from the remake.
xxAnaconta Even though these 2 films are more well made than Oldboy 2013, The Ring and The Grudge had a more positive impact on introducing J-horror to mainstream american audiences, with Samara/Sadako, Kayako and Toshio becoming horror icons in america like Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, etc. People remember the cursed tape, Samara crawling out of the TV, the “seven days” quote was memed to death, Kayako’s death rattle and contorted crawling body still scare people today. Hopefully this video gets enough views to give the original Oldboy more attention (I’ve never heard of it or the remake until I watched this video, Oldboy looks brilliant).
@Troin What are you talking about, Oldboy (as well as the rest of the revenge trilogy) is a Korean psychological thriller, what does Japanese horror have to do with this. And what's the point of the introduction when your average consumer doesn't even know what the plot of The Grudge is since it has almost no memes compared to The Ring >Hopefully this video gets enough views to give the original Oldboy more attention Dude, it's hailed as the single greatest piece of Korean cinema, just because you didn't know it doesn't mean that it suffers from lack of attention
@@anneelk9066 I think the point being that those movies were more successful, by way of being better made than Oldboy (2013), of exposing the west to their respective genres.
@@luckygitane But again, what's the point if the way most Americans engage with asian horror boils down to posting The Ring memes? And those who are actually interested in these films likely didn't start with The Grudge remake
I love how the 2013 version expects us to care for Joe Doucett despite him murdering those football players. In the original, Oh Dae-su was defending himself from street thugs beating him over a cigarette. While we never see the final outcome it's likely he just knocked them out with a few minor injuries. In the remake, the football players thought Joe was a random creeper about to assault this defenseless woman. Granted, punching Joe is not a smart way to start things off, but Joe could've just ran away or knocked them out in *non-leathal* ways, but nope, he straight up breaks their fucking necks in front of their girlfriends. And oh right, he has *WITNESSES* now! Why didn't those girls call the police on him after he murdered their boyfriends!?! Could they not get a good description of him in *BROAD DAYLIGHT!* Oh Dae-Su was socially inept, Joe is a *SOCIOPATH!!!*
Not to mention that Oh Dae-su doesn't kill anyone in the movie: he beats people up and tortures them too, but he's never shown killing anyone, probably the guy he found in the prison (the one sitting there before Mr Park's office), was knocked out as well. It truly shows that, even if his main focus is revenge, he's still a normal person deep down, and would not take it out on those who didn't have a direct role in his imprisonement. Joe just goes around and murders people!
@@myrtaleellery I think there's a few parts where you could argue that Oh Dae-su killed someone like when he first arrives at the penthouse with the broken toothbrush, but yeah the point still stands. Oh Dae-su is a normal but broken man driven by vengeance, Joe is your standard Hollywood big buff action hero manly man. He barely reacts to getting beat with sticks in the hallway fight in the remake because we can't show that our hero isn't unstoppable
To this day, I feel this is my favourite YMS video since it breaks down what doesn’t work about the Oldboy remake so well while still feeling like a video that expresses the creators feelings for both movies in such a great way with acknowledging both the good and the bad The Lion King 2019 video is also a favourite of mine but I’m still waiting for the next part
It's just nice to see Adum gush over a movie. Any movie. Like, when all his reviews are "this movie was booooooooooring" then it's refreshing to see him be like... "Hey, this is good".
@@HOTD108_ yeah, he's talking about something nice for a change, but the only reason he's talking about it is to beat something else into the ground and emphasise how bad it is
It’s like watching him talk about Synecdoche or the honorable mentions and top five portions of his “best of XXXX” lists. It always feels (and depending on delivery: sounds) good to talk about stuff you like.
The woman in the interview who says “Crazy, but a better person!” has always been the funniest part of this review for me. It’s such a braindead take on the plot of the movie, and her delivery is just pure gold lmao.
Spike Lee: “How dare Tarantino make Django Unchained, a black film, as a white man.” Also Spike Lee: “I’m going to remake a Korean movie with predominantly white actors.”
@@lololFilip You're right. Tarantino actually made an original movie that's good while Spike couldn't perform a step-by-step remake of an amazing film. It's not close to being comparable.
I like how similar the poster story is to the actual film. The original posters we artistic, descriptive, and beautiful. Then the poster was stolen and stripped down into the bare essentials and is objectively worse than the original. Wild.
Huh, when put like that, it just might have been Spike Lee's _singular_ act of integrity on this project... Making the poster and his treatment of its artist a perfect reflection of his _reinterpritation,_
In the Korean version, there was also the massive implication of how strong Lee Woo-Jin’s drive was. You see him and Oh Dae-Su grew up in an impoverished town. Knowing that Woo-Jin was able to work his way up into the riches using his own revenge as motivation is so much more palpable and lends greatly to his character without having to explicitly say anything. In the American version, the villain already comes from a rich family and his stupid ploy for revenge just seems even more petty.
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Cruelty I really wish I had been turned onto Korean TV/film sooner. I got started with Beyond Evil starring Shin Ha-kyun and Yeo Jin-gu earlier this year, it was incredible! I've been on a roll ever since.
@@lizc6393 - lol, I say the same about English literature. Check out, The Chaser (2008) n Burning (2018). Also, I highly recommend Hong Kong Director, Wong Kar Wai's Chunking Express n In the Mood for Love. He's my favorite despite he's not Korean lol.
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Cruelty I'm a huge movie buff,and have seen hundreds of asian movies. Korean-i think at least 60. He is one amazing actor,that's for sure. Better than all the rest,head and shoulders. But i would recommend also Failan,and Painted Fire(about your korean national painter)-solid roles. I loved his role in oldboy so much,that i saw almost all the movies with him... Another second actor that i liked was his co-star in New World,the boisterous gangster-Hwan jung Ming. He really shines in that movie. P.s: Wong kar wai is a legend,but i would.recommend also Johnnie To. Extremely underrated,the second best after Wong Kar Wai. And much more prolific. Take care-you have a nice country,i have been there twice!
Woo-Jin's flashback calls back to Dae-Su's beginning on the rooftop. They each hold onto someone who is trying to kill themself and also bare a resemblance to them (the man on the roof is in a suit with wild hair, Woo-Jin is holding his own sister). The pure white puppy represents the unborn child of Woo-Jin, an innocent, sinless life taken absolutely needlesly. The original film is fucking genius
I’m so happy I’m not the only one who noticed this. Also, gotta love how Oh Dae-Su overshared his entire backstory without consideration for the stranger. Meanwhile, his oversharing contributed to Woo-Jin’s sister’s demise.
@@fauhwn The video points out that the film was ambiguous as to whether the pregnancy was actually a pseudo-one; It could have been an excuse by the rich guy trying to deflect blame from himself
With continuous watches... When the guy Dae-su meets for the first time jumps and offs himself... the stunt man ends up holding a white teddy bear by its hand in its stead. Nothing symbolic just a funny observation.
As someone who just saw the original, it’s so funny seeing how little style there is in literally every aspect of the remake. From the direction, the color choices, the sets, the costumes, the camera work, the music, literally every aspect of the original films style was striped away. It genuinely feels like Spike Lee was forced to make this movie, so he just phoned everything in.
It's crazy right!? The lack of artistic vision in a literal sense is kinda nuts. Just the opening itself is like... what?? He's not captive at the police station, he's not talking to the camera, he doesn't seem to love his daughter at all. He's like... just an asshole. There's so little symbolism in the visuals except the most childish and obvious like the umbrella. And even that could have been really cool if they actually made the effort to make a custom umbrella prop that hides the hash marks until you look more closely but NOPE. Looks like they whipped it up on set that very day.
i felt the exact same way. it was super refreshing to see him analyse and praise such a fantastic film and then he'd be like "now lets go and talk about this piece of shit and how it completely butchered the original" and i'd be like... can't we just pretend it never existed???
I believe he also cut his tongue to show how sorry he was that his tongue caused Woo-Jin's sister's death since he clearly states that Dae-su's tongue is what got his sister pregnant. The fact that it also prevents him from telling the truth to Mido only came to me after the film had ended. Brilliant scene !
arenkai I didn’t even think of THAT! I thought it was in reference to when he first threatens to cut off the guy’s hand for touching Mido, the guy says “what about my tongue?” Before walking away, implying that he... well... you know... I took it as he was cutting off his own tongue as punishment for... well... you know...................
Ya know, if you're like me, and you root more for Oh Dei Su on repeat viewings than Woo-Jin...there's ONE little detail that makes up for all the crap the villain inflicted on the hero: when he hears someone from his sisters year in school, a classmate of hers, one she didn't even KNOW, call her a SLUT...that look on his face tells me Od Dei Su got the better of him; because no matter what. no matter how much Woo-Jin attempts to destroy this mans life...his sister will ALWAYS, to her generation of kids, in that school, be known as the school-house WHORE. 😂 I kind of hate Woo-Jinn really...i think he's a smug oily little baby. but i guess that's what makes the film great: Oh De Su starts things as a "villain" and because of Woo-Jin's plot against him, he actually becomes a better man; in the process the sweet and confused child who only made the mistake of falling in love with his sister then becomes an even greater monster than Oh De Su ever was.
It is also a reference to the myth of Oedipus, in which Oedipus stabs his own eyes out after finding out that he murdered his father and killed his mothrr. Just as Oedipus cannot bear to see a world where fate has made him a kinslayer and his children the victims of incest, Daesu does not think he can continue to speak when he could potentially tell Mi-do the truth.
50:32 Am I the only one who finds the framing of this scene to be absolutely hilarious? Josh Brolin looks like a turn-based RPG protagonist who's just triggered a random encounter.
I'm shocked Adam didn't mention how unnatural the framing is. Josh Brolin just awkwardly waddles into frame, stops dead in his tracks with a deer in the headlights look, and like fifty guys spawn out of nowhere with these goofy-ass movements and expressions. It's probably one of the most nakedly embarrassing moments of the whole movie.
They could have very easily made that not shit by having him run onscreen from the left, then as he hits the right side of the frame he whirls around as the mob catches up. But no. We get awkward Mortal Kombat single player.
The editing to put "Fah-thuh!" immediately followed by the shotgun blast will never stop being funny. I think Spike Lee just wanted to assert that upper class white people are all incestuous.
Making the incest in the remake one based on a vertical relationship was such a bad idea. In the original it's two sibilings, it's a horizontal relationship. They're on equal grounds. It's not a father abusing of his kids. It may be be wrong or disturbing, but they're both kids. Neither of them forced the other, neither of them stood above the other. Which makes the original movie's villain kind of tragic, despite being a huge asshole. You feel sorry for him because you believe he thought their love was right and pure. It came naturally to them. In the remake it was all the fault of a sick fuck who abused his kids. The villain just looks like a victim in denial and he has no depth to him. They thought making it more fucked up would make it deeper and it achieved the exact opposite effect. What garbage. Great review Adam, well worth the wait :)
thank you for taking the time to articulate this. not only did spike lee apparently believe Oldboy was just "that one super violent, cool revenge movie" and fail to get any of the nuance but this incest storyline DRASTICALLY alters the implications of just about EVERYTHING. the friend thing, too. like... they didn't have to make him interesting because he's... cool? I guess? because he's josh brolin? like what the fuck? this one hurts just from a "damaging a masterpiece THIS BAD" standpoint.
Hey, not only he's a sick fuck who abused his kids, but he's a hilarious, cartoony, over the top sick fuck who abuses his bland daughter and his hilarious, cartoony, over the top son. I think the verticality of it isn't the defining factor, it's the way it's being represented and done. Verticality is the big factor, but the reason why I say this is to further underline the sheer incompetence of the remake in just about any aspect of the movie. There's taboo, secrecy, curiosity, care, love, playfulness, all together, in the first movie. You don't even know what to feel about their relationship. Should you condemn them? Tolerate them? Even encourage them? How guilty they really are? How responsible? Is the passion too great for them to ignore it? Is their behavior even pathological or it's some kind of understandable product of circumstances? And so on and so forth. And I think that something like this, although it would be more difficult, could be pulled off even with a vertical variant. Because the retardation of it in the remake stems from it being completely moronic and incompetent on every level and it being horizontal wouldn't change anything. Just watch the FATHER part again lol
Korean interviewer: A lot of people worry when a foreign film is remade, so what elements of Spike Lee's Malcolm X did you alter for your version? Park Chan-wook: It's a reinterpretation *winks at camera*
"What happens after you've had revenge? I bet that hidden pain probably emerges again." oh mY GOD. I JUST REALIZED. WHEN THE VILLAIN SAYS THIS TO OH DAE-SU IT'S ACTUALLY FORSHADOWING HIS OWN DEMISE. HOLY SHIT. HOW DID I NOT CATCH THAT BEFORE??? God, Old Boy is such a masterpiece. TT_TT
He basically says that revenge will solve nothing, then he himself realizes this since his sister is still dead and nothing will change that, thus he kills himself. Deep
I like how the movie where he mentions his daughter at the beginning and almost never again, but still is shown to love his daughter, he is fueled by revenge Meanwhile in the one where the dad doesnt give a shit about his daughter he is fueled almost purely by his daughters life
If anything one of the things Dae-su did before doing the vengeance was to check up on his daughter and her whereabouts. Dae-su proceeded to do what he did once he finds out that his kid is safe and far away... which is a more effective diversion and makes the twist a lot more "Wait a second..."
One thing I like is how it doesn’t even mention his daughter past his escape, making his daughter being alive a surprise, but also makes the twist that he had sex with her as well so damn shocking. Meanwhile in Oldboy it’s about nothing BUT the daughter. You could’ve assumed what the twist would’ve been, and even if you do get surprised, it’s nowhere near as impactful as the original.
Original Oldboy torture scene: *appropriate torture sounds * Samuel L Jackson: No! No! No! No! Please! Please do not torture me because torture is painful and pain hurts and I don’t want to hurt because pain is hurtful! I like being comfortable and pain is uncomfortable and it hurts too and I don’t want to hurt! No! No! No!
My thoughts exactly! God, I think I was in more pain watching that samuel L Jackson scene, and making more appropriate pain noises, than SLJ was. Its just an embarrassment.
I'll be honest, when a content creator says to go check out film before watching their review, usually I'll ignore it. This time, however, I decided to go watch the original before finishing the video and it was the best decision I've made all day. There are so many aspects of the film, including, but not limited to the twist at the end, that I'm glad I was able to experience for myself. Coming back to this review after watching the movie, I'm just now realizing that there is a ton of foreshadowing that I didn't pick up on the first time watching. To anyone reading this, if the review wasn't enough of a recommendation to watch the original Old Boy, take it from me, this isn't one you want to miss.
Jackson Brown I kind of regret not watching the movie before this review. At least I can do my second favorite thing which is show OTHER people the movie for the first time.
Me and my friends saw the original Oldboy (subtitled) and absolutely loved it. Did not watch the Hollywood remake based on the trailer...and wow am i glad i didn't watch it.
Jackson Brown wow, I had the exact same experience! saw the movie before the review and also noticed that I missed som details the first time I saw it which just made the movie so much better 😊
Having blocked the remake's existence from my mind for a considerable amount of years, this review has brought up a few things. A reminder of the brilliance of the original, How genuinely queasy the remake made me. How insulting it is to foreign cinema, and to American's who are looked down upon so badly that the idea of a remake is even considered
I think these stupid remakes are crapped out bc people don't want to read the subtitles, or bc they are so simple that if EVERYTHING in the movie isnt familiar they don't think they can relate to the characters. Or, worse, actually can't. I would understand this if the cast was squid people, but come on... The alien in District 9 was relatable ffs. When will people learn, man...
I watched oldboy (2003) after watching 10 minutes of this review and turning it off. Its become one of my all time favorite movies so good job well done congrats
Holy shit... i just randomly clicked this vid without looking at the length. I was so immersed that I didnt even know i was watching for so long until i read this comment.
I just had a realization that makes the 2013 movie even worse... Joe's daughter recognized him as a wanted criminal; he's wanted for killing her mother; it was made pretty clear by the false evidence that her dad killed her mom; therefore she must have known he was her dad... This also goes into the matter that he looks no different from before the imprisonment to after. There's no reason she shouldn't recognize him unless she somehow never saw any news report regarding her mother's death, and never cared to look up and know who killed her mom, and never bothered to care knowing what her biological dad looked like...
The easiest way to fix that pothole would have been to have the villain kidnap the daughter and have her raised by different family not knowing who her biological parents were and what happened to them. IT'S A SIMPLE FUCKING FIX AND THEY STILL DIDN'T DO IT.
I cringed at every scene of the remake. God it hurt so much, I couldn't imagine sitting through the whole thing. I think I'd rather be locked in a room eating nothing but dumplings for 15 years.
Spike Lee: names his company “40 Acres and a Mule” to evoke the mistreatment of former slaves in America and how they were tricked into fighting in the army with promises of rewards, but were given basically nothing in the end and had their humanity denied. Also Spike Lee: Tricks someone into doing tons of work for him with promises of reward, but gives him basically nothing in the end and then denies his existence. *Palpatine quote*
My sister actually watched the Spike Lee remake without ever watching or knowing anything about the original. And she's not really interested in watching the original now. I find that really depressing.
Im not saying to force her to watch the og. Im not. UNLESS. Unless she thinks the Spike Lee one is good. I think its important to educate people on the quality of works not from the americas, especially if theyve been bastardised into english, but not by force.
Quote from Polish reviewer: "God forbid, don't watch the American remake first (...). Anything that can go wrong with remakes, taking someone's brilliant idea and masterpiece and making it your own, with no creativity at all and in the most disgustingly trashy way - that's the situation. I recommend checking the remake after watching the original, like because you already know this one, and you want to laugh at the other; as something like an autopsy, you want to see the corpse and discover what went wrong."
Just realised that Lee Woo Jin said; What happens after you've had revenge? I bet that hidden pain probably emerges again. And that's exactly what happened as he killed himself on the way down from his penthouse
And let's not forget the irony in him handing out the remote control, which isn't working and he kills himself. He doesn't even give Oh Dae-su his revenge. What a bitter ending.
Yep even after his revenge he flashed back to his sister dying realizing that now the last person that caused her death had to be punished, so he killed himself.
Honestly, Park Chan-wook's Vengeance trilogy consists of some of the most anti-revenge films out there. He treats the subject matter in a serious and nuanced way instead of romanticising it. His approach is incredibly mature.
Kinda funny listening to this after the success of squid game and parasite proved that the studios were wrong and American audiences are willing to watch foreign films without needing to be introduced to them via poorly done remakes
It is nice to see more appreciation for foreign films unfortunately doesn't stop Hollywood, they're remaking train to Busan and making a live action for a beautifully animated movie called Your Name
@@kush6846dubs aren’t always bad if you give them a chance, sometimes they give work to truly excellent American professional voice actors (who we all know often get screwed over in favor of “celebrity” casting in American made animated films)
@@maddieb.4282 you obviously have never seen dubbed version of Squid Game. I’m not discrediting dubbing as a whole, just complaining as to how shit the dub version of that show is.
Gotta say, despite how pointless the remake is, the fact that you reviewed and compared the two introduced me to the original. Watched it the other night and despite watching this video and spoiling everything for myself, I was still enchanted with it and it still had a massive effect on me. God, I miss people truly caring about the movies they make.
You've now conditioned me to whenever I hear something slightly incestuous, like a joke or some weird book we're reading in literature to instinctively go "FaThEr." and then hear a shotgun
The amount of times he replayed that clip has that ingrained in my brain. Alabama is no longer the poster child for incest. Now it’s a kid with a forced British accent unbuttoning his pants going “FaRtHa!”
It triggers some kind of snowballing in my head. First this “Father!” then I immediately think about the “FAAAAATHER!” from IT crowd. Weird mix I tell ya.
An actual YMR (Your Movie Rocks) channel would be better. I could listen to him enthusiastically dissect a movie he adores all day. Considering there's a replay button I probably will.
moonymonster same here. I honestly wasn’t interested in watching this movie until now. I would absolutely love to watch more in depth “recommendations”.
Agreed. Adam's reviews are always good but I find inherent negativity and cynicism incredibly draining. Hearing him gush about great movies would be a welcome break from the norm.
Hey! Hope you enjoyed this review. I'm streaming some games on twitch right now if anyone wants to say hi. www.Twitch.tv/AdumPlaze
Can I say hi here?
Hi big man
Sit on my face daddy!
Worth the wait!
hi
The whole point of Dae-su cutting his tongue out at the end was to show that he was apologizing for "talking too much." The form of self-sacrifice he chose was actually relevant to the crime that he was being accused of, and that's why Joo-win was moved to spare Mido. Joe just imprisoning himself for no reason cause he feels bad is so dumb.
Also he said he would be Joo-win's dog to save her, so it could be connected to that as well.
Anyways I never thought of that connection! Thank you for enlightening me
Also mirroring Oedipus doing the same to his eyes after realizing his incestuous ways.
Totally agree! But just a nitpick not intending of being a dick, but he's Woo-jin, his name is Lee Woo-jin..
@@nico.f. The director said that Oh Dae-su is actually a play with the name Oedipus, so you're pretty right.
Woaah
The dumpling that they use in the korea version is a type of dumpling that you often get as a side-dish when ordering delivery food. So it implies that the character is probably eating a side-dish of someone else’s main dish for fifteen years. Just an extra info dump,
So what your saying is in the remake, they should’ve given him nothing but mozzarella sticks, or onion rings, or something?
@@goORIOLES236 doesn't have to be the exact equivalent, but it would have been nice if they kept the kind of foods as effortless as the original one
Brian Tully think italian seasoned breadsticks
That added another layer of depth to it, thanks so much for sharing!
@@goORIOLES236 lol that's funny~
A Canadian's review of an American remake of a South Korean adaptation of a Japanese manga.
Of a greek folklore called oedipus.
don't remeber if its greek
Anonym Cat Oedipus is Greek yes.
Fact of the day: Oedipus literally translates to swollen foot…
@@AcidOverseer Oedipus doesn't apply because the original manga that all this is based on doesn't have the incest element - it's a fairly basic revenge story. The SK adaptation basically added that twist to make the film its own thing. And besides, it's not like every story that has surprise incest in it is based off of Oedipus.
And also part of an unconnected trilogy
I love how Oh Desu's reaction to the villain at the end mirrors how he acted in the first captivity scene when the guard brought him food. He pleads, he threatens, he gets violent, then switches back to pleading once he realises he truly has no power
Another fun fact. He begins licking the villains shoes, his source of imprisonment, like how he began licking his hand upon tasting the rain when he was almost to freedom at the start of the movie.
@@kurtcobain3346 god damn! Theres layers to this shit!
its like poetry.. it rhymes
I got invested in his analysis of the Korean version and felt disappointed every time he had to go to the American one :(
same!! it really goes to show how bad the american version is
SAME, every time he moved on to the American remake, i was like "oh yeah... this exists"
I kept wanting to fast forward through the analysis of the american one
Have you watched the original?? It is a fantastic movie. If you haven’t, you absolutely have to experience it.
Same
*The only thing the remake got right from the original is the hammer. 3/10*
-an actual South Korean Critic's review of Oldboy(2013). Can't be more accurate
Sauce? I wanna read it.
@@KillThad it's from a south korean website, so even if I give you the link, I'm not sure if you can read it but here it goes. It's the review at the bottom.
movie.naver.com/movie/bi/mi/point.nhn?code=87556
@@sori_osori_ Thanks, man. I can't read a lick of it, but I'm sure I can get the idea thru Google Translate.
Suddenly I love South Korea
큐베다이스키 excuse me, both remakes have creatures that breathe oxygen and are bipedal
Surprised Adum didn't mention that Oh Desu oversharing in the opening sequence also conveys the characteristic that motivated the antagonist.
Good observation. It goes to show the depth of writing in the original
Also love the parallelism of Oh Dae-Su holding that stranger from falling off the building and Woo Jin holding his sister from falling off the bridge, both of whom die while Oh Dae-Su could have potentially prevented it.
Oh Desu
Fucking brilliant
Varun and TheMightyHaegr
You two have a very keen eye
I didn’t notice these until you both mentioned them. Just further proof of this movie’s competence in comparison to Spike’s “interpretation”. You could probably go back and find nothing that really makes you analyze the film like the original. That whole scene in the remake where his daughter gets the stupid Buddha is the writers and Spike desperately trying to capture that sort of feeling but it instead falls flat on it’s face for having almost no relevancy to the plot since she had never seen it in the first place.
Oldboy (2003) > Oldboy (2013)
that's such a good point! we're given so much information in that first introduction, but what's key to the plot is the simple fact that "oh talks too much".
You know something really important about Oldboy? Oh Dae-su is just some fuckin guy. He's complicated, he's a drunk, he neglects his family...he's just another dude in the world. And when he seeks his revenge, he's never cool and stoic. He's always just some guy, plus 1 fresh crazy pill. You never ever ever see what he's doing as cool or inspirational. He's not a morally ambiguous Hollywood action hero, with a deep gravely voice. He's just a person. And that's why he's so potent.
I don’t Know that hallway scene was pretty cool . But he is wounded pretty bad in that which does define another action hero trope
@@Galvatronover
Brother, struggling for something isn’t a trope, it’s the human condition. If the story is good, the hero will be injured in some way
Did you watch the film? The hallway scene as well as his extreme tactics like torture are meant to excite as well as disturb. Oh Dae su was a normal guy who became a psycho because of the imprisonment which is what the antagonist wanted. I do agree with your point the remake wants us to like joe despite him being significantly worse before imprisonment
@@haroldasusus4684 Don't think I ever implied that didn't happen?
Also read the original manga, it's obviously way closer to the first movie adaptation but it has its differences.
South Korea actually requires all adult citizens to serve a compulsory period in their military so it’s very likely he has had martial arts training as a young man. Definitely a jumping off point for him to train himself well over 15 years.
Underrated comment. It actually sheds some light on what a lot of people who aren't familiar with the original culture would consider a plothole.
All adult MALE citizens. Doesn't change your point but worth the distinction
I don't even think this even needs to be said since the way he trained was just basic punches and dodges with a lot of pain tolerance. The guy was also fighting goons who weren't exactly the best and while it was choreographed, it wasn't over the top. He even got his ass kicked by a real expert at the end. That version could make sense even in a US release but they had to make him John Wick for some nonsense.
@@cityabsurdia6680 All healthy adult male citizens
Why say "all adult citizens" when we all know damn well it's only male citizens? It's like you have some type of compulsion to ignore systemic mistreatment of men.
The idea of doing a long form review in which you pitch two movies against each other and illustrate why one succeeds and the other fails is fascinating and I hope you explore it more in the future.
I hope he does it with the two versions of Martyrs
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 THERE'S TWO VERSIONS OF MARTYRS??
@@lukess.s Unfortunately, yes
@@lukess.s It's originally a french movie, I believe
@@EndOfSmallSanctuary97 Holy ... I didn't know there were 2
weird. they toned down the violence, but cracked up the incest.
@damian martinez I heard a positive review compare Dae-Su to a feral cat and Brolin to a raging Bull. They liked that aspect of it and respected the reinterpretation presenting him as pretty different than what came before.
Not saying its right or wrong, but I think that kind of change could have made for a different fight dynamic. Less martial arts and more brute force (but the movie's not too good so I guess we're not getting that haha).
@damian martinez Exactly. That's part of problem with the remake haha.
"The whole movie is made from an American point of view."
Really makes me think
FATHER!
I love how you can tell Elizabeth Olsen fucking hates the movie, and then there's literally a clip where she's like "Go watch foreign movies. Not enough people see 'em!"
I feel so fucking bad for her, imagine having your name attached to this, imagine having to act it out
Oh god for real! Both her and Josh look embarrassed to be here
But are those foreign movies set in 2013, though?
I wonder how they react to meeting again for Infinity War?
@@InvaderGIR98well look it says a lot of good things about her that she hates this movie but lets not go so far as to feel bad for her for getting paid probably quite a lot of money to act in a shitty movie.
I'm going to get a degree in film school and make a shit remake of "Do the Right Thing" just so Spike Lee knows how it feels. Vengeance is a part of me now.
@Geralt of Trivia Yes but after my shitty remake I will purposely make award winning films afterward. So when I become famous, people will ask me "hey what was up with your one shitty Spike Lee movie reboot" and I'll say " Spike Lee had it coming". My entire career will be for this purpose, so after that I will retire and watch the sun set upon a grateful universe.
It's a solid plan except I think it would probably be wise to do the award winning stuff first, so that the remake doesn't kill your career.
@@myworldinvideos It appears you have created a 15+ year prison for all of us. Do us proud.
@@heyyitsultima it will be just like that movie Old Boy
The one by that Spike Lee guy?
Reinterpretation?
More like misinterpretation.
Got 'em.
@@Cynicayke HAH
FATHA!
@Maggie Watson , how it is appropriation? Just because it's a movie from another country? (With MODERN, global elements.)
Troin Shotgun blast!
Oldboy 2003 - my sister and i loved eachother, despite everything.
Can you two do the same?
Oldboy 2013 - FAARTHAAR
*B A N G*
oi gee boi i fooked my sister
oh wow as if that's not like 90% of usa do that every day and that's legal in most of the world and also no one fucking cares who you fuck it's not 1700s
@@tsartomato You're insane
@@tsartomato what the actual fuck is wrong with you
Did you miss the part where the sister-fucker was the villain or something?
On the "rubber ducky" subject, the original Oldboy had the scene where she discovers the angel wings he had gotten her so long ago. They don't mean anything to her, she puts them on and you see it doesn't really hold any value to her (can't remember her name ATM). However, the magnitude that the shot has on the viewer, to see her with those wings on as she sits on the bed at the "prison", is absolutely tremendous. Thank you so much for this incredible review.
She also does the same movements in thr wings as Dae-su
"Laugh and the world laughs with you. Weep and you weep alone."
Father! Is that a shotgun in your arms or are you just happy to see me?
I think we've found the new "THERE HE IS".
Wood or steel
I can't stop laughing at the "FATHER!" part of the video, just every line that you've said is briliant and makes this already stupid scene 10 times funnier
FAATHAAR! **BANG**
@@KoeSeerThis would makes sense even if he dint had the shotgun
lol hilarious
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Time stamp please
Oh Dae-su's hair style corresponds with his mental state, every time. Another subtle detail in a movie that is so carefully crafted. I love Park Chan-Wook.
Him and Bong Joon-ho make the best movies!
That "Fathar!" scene MUST have been intentional. I refuse to believe it was intended as shocking and serious. I laughed for a good 5 minutes.
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
Honestly Im grateful he didnt said "daddi" or something cringe before having sex
Worst remake of all time
i can handle the bad writing, awful plot loss and everything else, but the way the artist was treated for making the posters... sick
I had already despised his movies but after seeing that part now I dislike him as a person
Completely agree, I feel so bad for that artist.
Not to mention that all of his movies are tainted by his racial politics
Spike Lee is a disgustingly entitled hack.
TactaGhoul No they aren't. you just clearly can't be confronted with racism
Is anyone else really annoyed that Spike Lee was so against one of his films being remade? You're literally remaking a film by another director...why are you so damn special? So arrogant to be honest.
Especially since not a single Spike Lee movie is on nearly the same level as the original Oldboy. It really is pretty arrogant.
That's because he's a very mediocre director
@@bigdickricky I think The Inside Man is in the right direction but definitely nowhere close
He also insisted that Django was racist.
@@DarudeNephew lol Jesus did he even watch the movie? Is 12 years a slave racist?? What a dope
Man, the poster story is depressing
It’s better than the movie
I fucking hate people who use "but the exposure" as a way to not pay artists. It's sick.
@@astrowolvez r/ choosingbeggars
Exposure is filling, nutritious and also doubles as a good way to shelter you from the elements!
@@cortex8239 reddit and facebook is both for losers of the opposite political spectrum
I love that his description of his own movie is basically
“Of all the movies I have made, this sure is one of them”
One of the movies of all time
After rewatching that clip like a dozen times, I THINK what he meant was "it's gonna be another good story", because of what he said right beforehand.
Still confusing as shit, and it's very clear how unenthusiastic he was about this whole thing lol.
One thing that one reviewer pointed out was that the hammer fight makes much more sense in the original because Korea has very strict gun laws. The remake takes place in Louisiana. It makes next to no sense that he or the thugs would not have a firearm.
Didn't know that, makes sense. Very interesting bit of information regarding the film, thank you! The original movie is such a masterpiece.
Right? It would make great sense that the guards are fighting with a bunch of melee weapons in the original. But in the American version, they really expect us to believe that not one guard in a secret mercenary prison would have a gun on them??
Exactly! Hence why I feel like, if he wanted to do this movie SO bad...why not do it in a country with a stricter laws? It would've made a lot more sense if it took place in England or something. Either way, the remake sucked and did horribly on the Box Office, and I'm glad.
@@evandavis7 The remake even opens with a sign that says “Guns don’t kill, people do”. In a way it’s bizarre.
Korea is a country with strict gun laws. Korean police don't try to force the gangs down, they try to manage them (because even if they do, another organization will be formed). However, if a gangster uses a gun, the military, not the police, will be dispatched to clear it up, so Korean gangsters cannot use a gun even if they have it.
One detail that I really appreciated about the scene where Oh Dae-su tries to force himself through the feeding door of his prison is just how effortless the guard handles it. The way he manages to force Oh Dae-su back into his cell and then close the door/seal the latch using only his feet and without saying a word conveys a lot of information in a really simple an seamless way. For Oh Dae-su his world has been turned completely upside down, but for the guard this is just another day in a job he's seemingly done hundreds if not thousands of times before Oh Dae-su even arrived. It's the first hint we get that these are not amateurs and that while Oh Dae-su is the main focus, he likely isn't the only prisoner, which also teases the fact that his jailers might not be the ones with a vendetta, but rather some sort of weird and twisted business.
👍
Immediately my thoughts went to slave trade, or drug trafficking, something with a cold calculus to it. The scene sells it so well.
“fAWTHAR-“
**shotgun blast**
You had me in tears
As an English person, I can confirm none of us actually speak like the villain in the film.
But I'm kinda glad he does talk like that. FaRtHa!
🤣😂 yeah me too !
FAWTHARRRR
The Otter Lord ßßdd-
I'm actually in a History Of Black Film class rn and we spent a unit on Spike Lee movies. I told my prof "The one thing I will never forgive him for is Oldboy 2013." His face darkened, he sighed, and said "Ain't nobody forgiving him for that." XD
LMAO your professor sounds amazing. Like even the thought of it hurt him to think about. Honestly me every time I think about the fact that Ang Lee made that Hulk movie
History of black film class...
@@HappyMSI1 Yes? Is it so hard to believe such a class exists?
@magicrainbowkitties1023 well it does seem absurd
@@MorshuGayming Why? Black film has existed in parallel with mainstream film since film itself was invented, and yet because of discriminatory practices it was and remains both incredibly niche and incredibly exploited. Why WOULDN'T there be a history of black film class?
The sad part about the hammer fight in the remake is that it’s completely divorced of context. In the original the reason it’s a total melee is because guns are very scarce in South Korea so thugs would just have whatever they can find. In America those thugs would absolutely have guns but it’s Oldboy so gotta have a hammer fight I guess. Same with the dumplings. Not only does this movie not give a shit but it’s actively not trying to localize and innovate on the original.
Also part of it is, I assume, due to the tight quarters. Oldboy 2013 was not only in America but not cramped enough to warrant too much fear of shooting off firearms
The director should of had the main character use a gun an kill a bunch of them John wick style.
@@lethalcontact365 that would be cool but wouldn't really make sense for the character. I just wish they had been more innovative and tried to make it feel more American, not just look it.
@@TheHutcharmy they should of had it as the main character being a marine that is a alcohol and a bum an for the the American version of a hall way fight they would of had him shooting at gangster with a shotgun after being ambushed by them after the torture season.
@@hydras5947 then the solution is to have fewer, more spread out thugs armed with guns.
I was so enthralled by your in-depth analysis of the original old boy, that I would honestly forget you were comparing it to the remake. So anytime you transitioned to Spike Lee's version I would instantly grow disappointed because I just wanted to see more the original. If I have that feeling during a TH-cam review I can only imagine how disappointing watching the entire remake must be.
This sums up how I felt exactly
same
For real, not only is this video a YMS Review for OldBoy (2013) is also a a great review and analysis of Oldboy (2003). I watched the original when I was 14 and stupid, and I thought it was just "alright". I never revisited the film because "I already know the twist, so what's the point?" but Adam really showed why it's a great film and it's not just because of the twist, the entire thing is a beautifully crafted and well-acted movie.
I honestly felt the same and this review really made want to watch the original version.
@ "plot-twist". Overused words weren't in need for a long time.
The poster of the "re-interpretation" is hilarious! I mean, the guy just seems like he is a child in a cardboard box and saying "I am in the best car of the world, I am speed"
It's like he's thinking "where the hell did my dude bros ditch me his time?"
It looks like someone popped open a box of air-dropped agent 41 's
The guy looks like he was transported through magical means inside this box into some different world or something.
Like Alice in the Wonderland but the protagonist is older angry guy who is going to kick some ass.
KACHOOW
Looks like he's saying "aight imma head out"
I also really like that in the original Oldboy the guy taking revenge makes sure to keep Oh Dae-su alive, keep him healthy, keep him satisfied while on his quest for revenge(Paying the guy off to not attack Oh Dae-su, severing and giving him the hand of the guy he wanted to take to give him what he wants, etc). He's playing by the rules he set, he's being fair. Sure he was a horrible despicable person for doing that to someone in the first place and ruining a guy's life, but at the very least he has a set of principles he follows and sticks to, and is a respectable villain. That's compelling, that's a damn good villain.
That is part of why I consider him one of the greatest villians of cinema. Just imagine how much of a mindfuck it would be to have someone both trying to destroy your life and also giving you money and the things you want..?
I Saw the Devil is sort of similar, just with the roles of "hero" and "villain" reversed. Also a great movie with Choi Min-sik
First thought: "Oldboy was awesome and critically acclaimed! What's wrong with you?"
Second thought: "Wait, there's a remake???"
Echo Plots Third thought: Father! *bang*
Yes, there is a remake and it's hilarious en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinda_(film)
Happy man, at least you did not watch this peace of shit.
@@CAPTAIN_D-MAN There is an obscure manga, then a film masterpiece, then a "re-interpretation," and then a bootleg
Sameeee
Can't wait for Parasite: a Spike Lee joint
With Mexicans
...fathah?
More like Corona the American version
Don’t you dare jinx us.
This one was called a Spike Lee film, not joint. That should have been the dead giveaway for everyone
"First he shows up and cancels Mr. Robot..."
Had a chuckle.
AXU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII OH !!!!!!!!!!
@@Jonboi-jh3xc 100 percent certain Elliot from Mr Robot makes the same exact noise at some point
Major_Clusterf**k A couple times, actually. It's a lot more harrowing than this current example.
A quick side note:
In the original manga, the protagonist goes captive for ten years. Park added five for a reason. The limitation period on first degree murder was 15 years in Korea back then. Oh was framed for killing his wife, and there is a scene Lee sending Oh a chat message stating his false charge has been lifted (56:34). This period had been extended to 25 years in 2007, and finally gone limitless in 2015.
A simple question:
Why the hell did Spike Lee extend another five?
Twenty years? More like hefty tears!
*Slaps knee, slaps thigh, slaps foot, jumps whilst punching the air, moans in ecstasy*
@@etrs lool
We need to keep adapting Oldboy with another 5 years added until the protagonist dies of old age in the apartment.
@@lonewalkerproductions It's not that funny
@@clashmanthethird heck yeah, and for every adaption they should also make the captivity scene 10 minutes longer, to really emphasize the time to the viewer
I guess you could say the remake lacks seoul.
Nice one
That was an awesome GROANER!!!
@@chazzcharles1327 FARRTHAR
Dad is that you?
oh sh-
Every Single time you were talking about the original i was so invested. But then when you went to the....re-imagining....I always said "No! Go back to the original!"
Edit: I have seen the original OldBoy. I just kept getting more invested each time he would talk about that one over the 2013 movie.
I was feeling the exact same thing
Exactly! I kinda want to see the original. Even if it's already all spoiled it still sounds so good. The remake almost sounds like something that actually WOULD star Will Smith nowadays.
@@iamaunicorn1232 It's definitely still worth watching even if you've spoiled it for yourself. It's just an amazing work from start to finish and there are a lot of great little moments he didn't talk about in this review.
The idea that people like a shitfit is really not true. most people prefer to explore good works than poor ones.
@@iamaunicorn1232 I watched it last night on Vudu, before watching this review. The ending act actually mind fucked me so hard.
The 2003 'big reveal' scene is honestly jaw dropping
im not sure who's crazier, the director for writing such script or the actor for acting it out so genuinely.
I watched that movie on Vudu the second I saw the YMS notification, and that bit made me feel physically ill... but in an awestruck way. It’s the perfect revenge movie that portrays the consequences of being consumed by vengeance
@@neal2399 i actually skipped a couple of seconds lol it felt so real what with his emotions and all
The Japanese mangaka for writing the original story in the first place.
gantzisballs the twist actually isn't in the manga I think? I can't remember but I'm pretty sure the original has a more bittersweet ending
Which actor? They both blew that shit right out the water. I perfectly well believe both of those characters and they're fantastic.
The only thing 2013 Oldboy was missing was Josh Brolin in captivity yelling "Get me out! Get me out of here! Help me! I didn't do anything!"
Ah *FUCK*!
Oldboy (2003)
Budget: $3 million
Money earned: $15 million
Oldboy (2013)
Budget: $30 million
Money earned: $4.8 million
Oof
@Botond Hetyey Me too. Fuck the good majority of those terrible pandering and patronizing US American film remakes of classic foreign films.
Oofed indeed
Justice does smile occasionally!
I didnt know that. Ha ha
Fuck u Spike lee for making this shlock film.
@@amberbaum4079 New money for old rope. I would love to see hollwood go bust because they cannot make any decent films any more
"There's a million different stories you can tell. Oldboy is gonna be another one."
Now that's real passion right there.
out of all the movies ever made, this is one of them.
The amount of ego it takes to not want your films to be reinterpreted while at the same time reinterpreting other people's films is insane.
A narcissistic director? No way!
To me it seemed like he himself wasn't on board with his remake of oldboy, but did it because it was the right business move at that point maybe. probably a dumb studio exec made him do it we don't know the full story
@@knurdyob I don't think making a dogshit film is ever in a director's best interest.
@@knurdyob Also, Spike Lee owns his own production company, and has for many years. So nobody *forced* him into it, except maybe his own sense of greed and entitlement.
@@snarkasticdouche3863but why was he so dull and weak willed about it? Perhaps he liked the idea at first but realized he messed up.
in every interview spike lee did for this movie he literally looks like he's about to fall asleep lmao
he looks ashamed...as he should be.
That's how I felt watching that god-awful movie.
Are you sure Oldboy(2013) isn't a comedy? Because every scene from the remake you showed was a comedy gold.
_Especially_ the massacre flashback ("Father!").
father
Fathar! :O
Father! :)
*unzips pants"
‘I’m drunk!’
every range of emotion: angry, rage, sad, lonely, alone. lmao
Every range of sauce: Ketchup, tomato sauce, mustard, bbq, barbecue sauce
You forgot stabby. Stabby is a feeling
The full gammut of human experience, angry and sad.
@Ren Helene I don't think he's good, he just gets good direction. Or bad, in this case.
yes, all both of them. he's a shapeshifter, really.
"It's not a remake....more of an reinterpretation".
More like an abomination.
Damnation
I feel like spike was held at gun point when told to make this film lmao 😂
Star Surfer more like an assassination
more like an abortion
It's more of a misinterpretation.
Can we talk about the graphic designer who got screwed over and not paid and then they told him "it's good because you'll still get exposure"... Like, will this ever stop happening to artists?
That’s so depressing, because his posters are so good u can tell he put so much effort into making these posters look awesome for the film and what he gets, being treated horribly
and the monkey's paw has curled...
Maybe this is the comment that started the strike
Luckily he won out in the end.
I actually thought him cutting out his tongue was him apologizing or making amends for "talking too much"
It was: Lee Woo-jin said "Your tongue got her pregnant" just in a few scenes before, and Oh Dae-su cutting his tongue was a way to show him he was never going to do something like that again.
it was also a call back for "you touch her tits i will cut your arm".... "what would you do with my tongue then"
I really like your profile picture.
S k e l e t o r
Liam Moffet I thought it was established he was bugged at that point, considering he knew about the threat to cut off the dude’s hand.
If the remake wasn't so terrible Adam wouldn't have made a video comparing the two films and i wouldn't have watched the original, so in a way some good did come from the remake.
xxAnaconta Even though these 2 films are more well made than Oldboy 2013, The Ring and The Grudge had a more positive impact on introducing J-horror to mainstream american audiences, with Samara/Sadako, Kayako and Toshio becoming horror icons in america like Jason Vorhees, Michael Myers, etc. People remember the cursed tape, Samara crawling out of the TV, the “seven days” quote was memed to death, Kayako’s death rattle and contorted crawling body still scare people today. Hopefully this video gets enough views to give the original Oldboy more attention (I’ve never heard of it or the remake until I watched this video, Oldboy looks brilliant).
@Troin What are you talking about, Oldboy (as well as the rest of the revenge trilogy) is a Korean psychological thriller, what does Japanese horror have to do with this. And what's the point of the introduction when your average consumer doesn't even know what the plot of The Grudge is since it has almost no memes compared to The Ring
>Hopefully this video gets enough views to give the original Oldboy more attention
Dude, it's hailed as the single greatest piece of Korean cinema, just because you didn't know it doesn't mean that it suffers from lack of attention
@@anneelk9066 I think the point being that those movies were more successful, by way of being better made than Oldboy (2013), of exposing the west to their respective genres.
@@luckygitane But again, what's the point if the way most Americans engage with asian horror boils down to posting The Ring memes? And those who are actually interested in these films likely didn't start with The Grudge remake
I love how the 2013 version expects us to care for Joe Doucett despite him murdering those football players.
In the original, Oh Dae-su was defending himself from street thugs beating him over a cigarette. While we never see the final outcome it's likely he just knocked them out with a few minor injuries.
In the remake, the football players thought Joe was a random creeper about to assault this defenseless woman. Granted, punching Joe is not a smart way to start things off, but Joe could've just ran away or knocked them out in *non-leathal* ways, but nope, he straight up breaks their fucking necks in front of their girlfriends. And oh right, he has *WITNESSES* now! Why didn't those girls call the police on him after he murdered their boyfriends!?! Could they not get a good description of him in *BROAD DAYLIGHT!*
Oh Dae-Su was socially inept,
Joe is a *SOCIOPATH!!!*
Not to mention that Oh Dae-su doesn't kill anyone in the movie: he beats people up and tortures them too, but he's never shown killing anyone, probably the guy he found in the prison (the one sitting there before Mr Park's office), was knocked out as well. It truly shows that, even if his main focus is revenge, he's still a normal person deep down, and would not take it out on those who didn't have a direct role in his imprisonement.
Joe just goes around and murders people!
@@myrtaleellery I think there's a few parts where you could argue that Oh Dae-su killed someone like when he first arrives at the penthouse with the broken toothbrush, but yeah the point still stands. Oh Dae-su is a normal but broken man driven by vengeance, Joe is your standard Hollywood big buff action hero manly man. He barely reacts to getting beat with sticks in the hallway fight in the remake because we can't show that our hero isn't unstoppable
they deserved it for simping
To this day, I feel this is my favourite YMS video since it breaks down what doesn’t work about the Oldboy remake so well while still feeling like a video that expresses the creators feelings for both movies in such a great way with acknowledging both the good and the bad
The Lion King 2019 video is also a favourite of mine but I’m still waiting for the next part
I agree, IMO this is Adam's best video.
Still waiting here...
I watch this a couple times a year
I can't. I just CAN'T. Every single time, 'Father! *BANG!*' I lose it.
FADA!!!
I also lose it everytime and I've watched this video several times.
bloodplussayadiva was he unbuckling his pants too wtf🤣 also was he the only British one 🤣😂 the sis didn’t sound british
FAAATHAAAH
SAME
The family shooting scene looks like taken out of bye bye man
Dont say it, dont think it father!
WedelMaster holy shit I knew it made me think of something!!
Exactly what I thought, just couldn't remember the name, thx
Bye bye FATHER
It's just nice to see Adum gush over a movie. Any movie. Like, when all his reviews are "this movie was booooooooooring" then it's refreshing to see him be like...
"Hey, this is good".
it's sad that all of that is still in the context of him pointing at something else and saying how boring it is.
@@HOTD108_ yeah, he's talking about something nice for a change, but the only reason he's talking about it is to beat something else into the ground and emphasise how bad it is
It’s like watching him talk about Synecdoche or the honorable mentions and top five portions of his “best of XXXX” lists. It always feels (and depending on delivery: sounds) good to talk about stuff you like.
The woman in the interview who says “Crazy, but a better person!” has always been the funniest part of this review for me. It’s such a braindead take on the plot of the movie, and her delivery is just pure gold lmao.
"First he shows up and cancels Mr. Robot."
ADAM.
Oh my God! He killed Kenny!
rip Freddy Mercury
MR ROBOT had an infinity stone in his head.
@@dooooooook3610 Another one bites the dust.
Spike Lee: “How dare Tarantino make Django Unchained, a black film, as a white man.”
Also Spike Lee: “I’m going to remake a Korean movie with predominantly white actors.”
Spike Lee has always been a race-baiting fraud.
Well Django is about slavery so.
@@KaylaMarie_ Do you want a cookie for saying that?
how are these comparable in any way? lmao
@@lololFilip You're right. Tarantino actually made an original movie that's good while Spike couldn't perform a step-by-step remake of an amazing film. It's not close to being comparable.
20:30 Ah yes, the 5 emotions of acting; Angry, Mad, Sad, Lonely, and Alone.
They are for Josh Brolin. See: any of his films; his life.
🤣🤣🤣
4 of those are the same thing
@@alanmooreisrasputinreincar8106 you're name is grim the reaper
@@icecoldnut5152 I am aware
I appreciate the Korean reacting that the American version should have guns.
I like how similar the poster story is to the actual film. The original posters we artistic, descriptive, and beautiful. Then the poster was stolen and stripped down into the bare essentials and is objectively worse than the original. Wild.
Huh, when put like that, it just might have been Spike Lee's _singular_ act of integrity on this project... Making the poster and his treatment of its artist a perfect reflection of his _reinterpritation,_
"first he comes up and cancels Mr Robot"
I couldn't stop laughing
In the Korean version, there was also the massive implication of how strong Lee Woo-Jin’s drive was. You see him and Oh Dae-Su grew up in an impoverished town. Knowing that Woo-Jin was able to work his way up into the riches using his own revenge as motivation is so much more palpable and lends greatly to his character without having to explicitly say anything.
In the American version, the villain already comes from a rich family and his stupid ploy for revenge just seems even more petty.
D3VYN131
Oh. My bad. Thanks for clearing it up.
Father
@@ujjwalmishra8962 **BANG**
@@electraheart-g5e i bet that boy had a new position he wanted to try out thats why he immediately removed his shirt
Choi Min-Sik has got to be one of the GREATEST actors of our generation.
That's an understatement.
As a Korean, Choi Min Sick was greatest in the Tiger (2015) along w/Kim, Yoon-Seok in The Chaser (2008).
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Cruelty I really wish I had been turned onto Korean TV/film sooner. I got started with Beyond Evil starring Shin Ha-kyun and Yeo Jin-gu earlier this year, it was incredible! I've been on a roll ever since.
@@lizc6393 - lol, I say the same about English literature. Check out, The Chaser (2008) n Burning (2018). Also, I highly recommend Hong Kong Director, Wong Kar Wai's Chunking Express n In the Mood for Love. He's my favorite despite he's not Korean lol.
@@Time_to_Stop_Animal_Cruelty I'm a huge movie buff,and have seen hundreds of asian movies.
Korean-i think at least 60. He is one amazing actor,that's for sure. Better than all the rest,head and shoulders.
But i would recommend also Failan,and Painted Fire(about your korean national painter)-solid roles.
I loved his role in oldboy so much,that i saw almost all the movies with him...
Another second actor that i liked was his co-star in New World,the boisterous gangster-Hwan jung Ming. He really shines in that movie.
P.s: Wong kar wai is a legend,but i would.recommend also Johnnie To. Extremely underrated,the second best after Wong Kar Wai. And much more prolific.
Take care-you have a nice country,i have been there twice!
I love how in the American version, he only decides he loves his daughter when he sees her on TV. That's accurately American.
*after she achieves something in life
Hahaha
Zerro Nyx Wrong stereotype.
Tuxedobird
Actually no .
Tuxedobird
Yeah sounds more like the Asian stereotype
Woo-Jin's flashback calls back to Dae-Su's beginning on the rooftop. They each hold onto someone who is trying to kill themself and also bare a resemblance to them (the man on the roof is in a suit with wild hair, Woo-Jin is holding his own sister). The pure white puppy represents the unborn child of Woo-Jin, an innocent, sinless life taken absolutely needlesly. The original film is fucking genius
I’m so happy I’m not the only one who noticed this. Also, gotta love how Oh Dae-Su overshared his entire backstory without consideration for the stranger. Meanwhile, his oversharing contributed to Woo-Jin’s sister’s demise.
@@Varooooooom oh damn that's so true. that's fucking amazing
if i remember correctly, it was a pseudo pregnancy, so there was no baby involved
@@fauhwn The video points out that the film was ambiguous as to whether the pregnancy was actually a pseudo-one; It could have been an excuse by the rich guy trying to deflect blame from himself
With continuous watches... When the guy Dae-su meets for the first time jumps and offs himself... the stunt man ends up holding a white teddy bear by its hand in its stead. Nothing symbolic just a funny observation.
Adam "Now let's get back to the remake."
Oh, but do we HAVE to?
Lancing Knight Yeah, after a while it started to really hurt.
As someone who just saw the original, it’s so funny seeing how little style there is in literally every aspect of the remake. From the direction, the color choices, the sets, the costumes, the camera work, the music, literally every aspect of the original films style was striped away. It genuinely feels like Spike Lee was forced to make this movie, so he just phoned everything in.
It's crazy right!? The lack of artistic vision in a literal sense is kinda nuts. Just the opening itself is like... what?? He's not captive at the police station, he's not talking to the camera, he doesn't seem to love his daughter at all. He's like... just an asshole. There's so little symbolism in the visuals except the most childish and obvious like the umbrella. And even that could have been really cool if they actually made the effort to make a custom umbrella prop that hides the hash marks until you look more closely but NOPE. Looks like they whipped it up on set that very day.
I got upset whenever Adam went back to Spike Lee's film.
"No, let's stayyy! I like it here...!"
i felt the exact same way. it was super refreshing to see him analyse and praise such a fantastic film and then he'd be like "now lets go and talk about this piece of shit and how it completely butchered the original" and i'd be like... can't we just pretend it never existed???
I believe he also cut his tongue to show how sorry he was that his tongue caused Woo-Jin's sister's death since he clearly states that Dae-su's tongue is what got his sister pregnant.
The fact that it also prevents him from telling the truth to Mido only came to me after the film had ended.
Brilliant scene !
arenkai I didn’t even think of THAT! I thought it was in reference to when he first threatens to cut off the guy’s hand for touching Mido, the guy says “what about my tongue?” Before walking away, implying that he... well... you know... I took it as he was cutting off his own tongue as punishment for... well... you know...................
arenkai It’s a phenomenal film that’s deserving of classic status and several oscars.
Ya know, if you're like me, and you root more for Oh Dei Su on repeat viewings than Woo-Jin...there's ONE little detail that makes up for all the crap the villain inflicted on the hero: when he hears someone from his sisters year in school, a classmate of hers, one she didn't even KNOW, call her a SLUT...that look on his face tells me Od Dei Su got the better of him; because no matter what. no matter how much Woo-Jin attempts to destroy this mans life...his sister will ALWAYS, to her generation of kids, in that school, be known as the school-house WHORE. 😂 I kind of hate Woo-Jinn really...i think he's a smug oily little baby. but i guess that's what makes the film great: Oh De Su starts things as a "villain" and because of Woo-Jin's plot against him, he actually becomes a better man; in the process the sweet and confused child who only made the mistake of falling in love with his sister then becomes an even greater monster than Oh De Su ever was.
It is also a reference to the myth of Oedipus, in which Oedipus stabs his own eyes out after finding out that he murdered his father and killed his mothrr.
Just as Oedipus cannot bear to see a world where fate has made him a kinslayer and his children the victims of incest, Daesu does not think he can continue to speak when he could potentially tell Mi-do the truth.
I thought it was because for the part where he licks his boot, how pleb from me
50:32 Am I the only one who finds the framing of this scene to be absolutely hilarious? Josh Brolin looks like a turn-based RPG protagonist who's just triggered a random encounter.
sirilix1 thats what i was thinking
I'm shocked Adam didn't mention how unnatural the framing is. Josh Brolin just awkwardly waddles into frame, stops dead in his tracks with a deer in the headlights look, and like fifty guys spawn out of nowhere with these goofy-ass movements and expressions. It's probably one of the most nakedly embarrassing moments of the whole movie.
They could have very easily made that not shit by having him run onscreen from the left, then as he hits the right side of the frame he whirls around as the mob catches up. But no. We get awkward Mortal Kombat single player.
And not to mention the awful awful framing where his hand HOLDNG THE HAMMER IS BLOCKED FROM VIEW
It looks like a freaking Angry Joe sketch.
The editing to put "Fah-thuh!" immediately followed by the shotgun blast will never stop being funny. I think Spike Lee just wanted to assert that upper class white people are all incestuous.
Wait, is that something he actually believes? 🤣
If this movie was just one long covert troll I can almost respect that lol
@@calumhouston3308tf no u bugging
@@calumhouston3308 Probably not but he is pretty clearly a racist/black supremacist himself.
You know if the villains are WASPs that would make a lot more sense now that I'm thinking about it
Making the incest in the remake one based on a vertical relationship was such a bad idea.
In the original it's two sibilings, it's a horizontal relationship. They're on equal grounds.
It's not a father abusing of his kids. It may be be wrong or disturbing, but they're both kids.
Neither of them forced the other, neither of them stood above the other.
Which makes the original movie's villain kind of tragic, despite being a huge asshole.
You feel sorry for him because you believe he thought their love was right and pure. It came naturally to them.
In the remake it was all the fault of a sick fuck who abused his kids.
The villain just looks like a victim in denial and he has no depth to him.
They thought making it more fucked up would make it deeper and it achieved the exact opposite effect.
What garbage.
Great review Adam, well worth the wait :)
Father! (bang)
thank you for taking the time to articulate this. not only did spike lee apparently believe Oldboy was just "that one super violent, cool revenge movie" and fail to get any of the nuance but this incest storyline DRASTICALLY alters the implications of just about EVERYTHING. the friend thing, too. like... they didn't have to make him interesting because he's... cool? I guess? because he's josh brolin? like what the fuck? this one hurts just from a "damaging a masterpiece THIS BAD" standpoint.
Hey, not only he's a sick fuck who abused his kids, but he's a hilarious, cartoony, over the top sick fuck who abuses his bland daughter and his hilarious, cartoony, over the top son.
I think the verticality of it isn't the defining factor, it's the way it's being represented and done. Verticality is the big factor, but the reason why I say this is to further underline the sheer incompetence of the remake in just about any aspect of the movie. There's taboo, secrecy, curiosity, care, love, playfulness, all together, in the first movie. You don't even know what to feel about their relationship. Should you condemn them? Tolerate them? Even encourage them? How guilty they really are? How responsible? Is the passion too great for them to ignore it? Is their behavior even pathological or it's some kind of understandable product of circumstances? And so on and so forth. And I think that something like this, although it would be more difficult, could be pulled off even with a vertical variant. Because the retardation of it in the remake stems from it being completely moronic and incompetent on every level and it being horizontal wouldn't change anything. Just watch the FATHER part again lol
@@lumen8341 eesh. Makes you wonder what goes on in Lee's head.....
*dont do it. Just tell him what he said was smart and that you agree. Just tell him you agree DONT DO IT.*
Haha R E C I E W
Korean interviewer: A lot of people worry when a foreign film is remade, so what elements of Spike Lee's Malcolm X did you alter for your version?
Park Chan-wook: It's a reinterpretation *winks at camera*
starring: PSY, in blackface
I approve.
I fuckin wish. He’d probably cast Malcolm X with a random white dude living in Korea.
Spike Lee: *Triggered*
@goodbyehoes what?
"What happens after you've had revenge? I bet that hidden pain probably emerges again."
oh mY GOD. I JUST REALIZED.
WHEN THE VILLAIN SAYS THIS TO OH DAE-SU IT'S ACTUALLY FORSHADOWING HIS OWN DEMISE.
HOLY SHIT.
HOW DID I NOT CATCH THAT BEFORE???
God, Old Boy is such a masterpiece. TT_TT
To bad this remake is total shit
@@HaTTTT TT_TT
He basically says that revenge will solve nothing, then he himself realizes this since his sister is still dead and nothing will change that, thus he kills himself.
Deep
My favorite part is when the lead actor said he just put some garbage out there and hoped the editors would take care of it.
I like how the movie where he mentions his daughter at the beginning and almost never again, but still is shown to love his daughter, he is fueled by revenge
Meanwhile in the one where the dad doesnt give a shit about his daughter he is fueled almost purely by his daughters life
If anything one of the things Dae-su did before doing the vengeance was to check up on his daughter and her whereabouts. Dae-su proceeded to do what he did once he finds out that his kid is safe and far away... which is a more effective diversion and makes the twist a lot more "Wait a second..."
One thing I like is how it doesn’t even mention his daughter past his escape, making his daughter being alive a surprise, but also makes the twist that he had sex with her as well so damn shocking.
Meanwhile in Oldboy it’s about nothing BUT the daughter. You could’ve assumed what the twist would’ve been, and even if you do get surprised, it’s nowhere near as impactful as the original.
@@TravisBroski The daughter is claimed alive though. Dae-su thought she is in foster care in Sweden.
Original Oldboy torture scene: *appropriate torture sounds *
Samuel L Jackson: No! No! No! No! Please! Please do not torture me because torture is painful and pain hurts and I don’t want to hurt because pain is hurtful! I like being comfortable and pain is uncomfortable and it hurts too and I don’t want to hurt! No! No! No!
My thoughts exactly! God, I think I was in more pain watching that samuel L Jackson scene, and making more appropriate pain noises, than SLJ was. Its just an embarrassment.
I'm laughing my ass off at this comment holy shit thank you 😂
😂
"oh god! i need to curse! i must say vulgar words because that is what i, famous hollywood actor samuel leroy jackson am known for!"
You forgot to call him a "meatbag", Mr. HK-47!
I'll be honest, when a content creator says to go check out film before watching their review, usually I'll ignore it. This time, however, I decided to go watch the original before finishing the video and it was the best decision I've made all day. There are so many aspects of the film, including, but not limited to the twist at the end, that I'm glad I was able to experience for myself. Coming back to this review after watching the movie, I'm just now realizing that there is a ton of foreshadowing that I didn't pick up on the first time watching. To anyone reading this, if the review wasn't enough of a recommendation to watch the original Old Boy, take it from me, this isn't one you want to miss.
Same as me dude, so happy I saw it
I did the same thing. Unbelievably amazing movie.
Jackson Brown I kind of regret not watching the movie before this review. At least I can do my second favorite thing which is show OTHER people the movie for the first time.
Me and my friends saw the original Oldboy (subtitled) and absolutely loved it. Did not watch the Hollywood remake based on the trailer...and wow am i glad i didn't watch it.
Jackson Brown wow, I had the exact same experience! saw the movie before the review and also noticed that I missed som details the first time I saw it which just made the movie so much better 😊
“angry, rage, sad, lonely, alone”
yes, that massive range of -checks notes- three emotions
Having blocked the remake's existence from my mind for a considerable amount of years, this review has brought up a few things.
A reminder of the brilliance of the original,
How genuinely queasy the remake made me. How insulting it is to foreign cinema, and to American's who are looked down upon so badly that the idea of a remake is even considered
Yoooo its clemps.
A wild Clemps appears
I think these stupid remakes are crapped out bc people don't want to read the subtitles, or bc they are so simple that if EVERYTHING in the movie isnt familiar they don't think they can relate to the characters. Or, worse, actually can't. I would understand this if the cast was squid people, but come on... The alien in District 9 was relatable ffs.
When will people learn, man...
oh shit, clemps! neat.
Yoooooooo it's CLEMPS! This is most unexpected.
Can we get more reviews where Adam compares original films to their adaptation
Specifically comparisons between incest and wincest
@@rowmagnvs There are no differences.
you spelled reinterpretation wrong
It’s not an adaptation.
I t ‘ s a r e i n t e r p r e t a t i o n.
Varun Your comment is so underrated 😂😂😂
I watched oldboy (2003) after watching 10 minutes of this review and turning it off. Its become one of my all time favorite movies so good job well done congrats
Patrick Blanchard I did the exact same thing!
Same as me... literally exactly the same.
Wow me too
Me to the first time ive actually done that
same and i have no clue what the fuck i just watched
Lee Woo-Jin: _"Remember this: "Be it a rock or a grain of sand, in water they sink as one and the same."_
Adrian: *"FATHER!"* 💥
I'm just replying so you can see how much likes you got
*shotgun blast*
The long awaited hr and a half YMS 😩
YMS if he were MauLer
A long time to wait for a long video, to be fair I could sit through the video entirely cx.
Better that the american Oldboy.
Holy shit... i just randomly clicked this vid without looking at the length. I was so immersed that I didnt even know i was watching for so long until i read this comment.
I kept going back to the host and frozen but now I have another 😁
1:07:59 who noticed Will Smith's that's hot line in the background?
Yes lol
@Doge Whistle Oh hi mark
By the end I was somewhere between tears with the original and uncontrolled laughter at the shoddy remake. FAH-VARR!!!
*Will Smith inhaling panties intensifies*
Oh my god
1:18:22 And a beautiful Meme was born.
FATHER
*BANG*
A worthy successor to ASDF's
"I think we should just be friends."
"Mother?"
Talk about blowing his load all over his family!
I loved that
To all my Korean friends. Take all of Spike Lee's favorite movies of his and remake them. He struck first, now you must retaliate.
And then do it to Spike’s own films to really drive our message home!
Mwoohahahahahaha!
@@obiwankenobi9141 it may not be the Jedi way but it feels right
You want real revenge? Don't let the Koreans remake spike lee's movie.. have the Turkish remake them...
»They drew first blood«
@@KenMabie even better, get the Ugandan studio behind Who Killed Captain Alex working on remakes of Spike Lee's films
I just had a realization that makes the 2013 movie even worse... Joe's daughter recognized him as a wanted criminal; he's wanted for killing her mother; it was made pretty clear by the false evidence that her dad killed her mom; therefore she must have known he was her dad...
This also goes into the matter that he looks no different from before the imprisonment to after. There's no reason she shouldn't recognize him unless she somehow never saw any news report regarding her mother's death, and never cared to look up and know who killed her mom, and never bothered to care knowing what her biological dad looked like...
Y I K E S.
But don't worry about that. After all, they were hypnotized...oh wait
The easiest way to fix that pothole would have been to have the villain kidnap the daughter and have her raised by different family not knowing who her biological parents were and what happened to them. IT'S A SIMPLE FUCKING FIX AND THEY STILL DIDN'T DO IT.
This is America.....
Oh man... 😱
FaHHTHAH is a hidden gem of a meme
Its already out there, brother.
I cringed at every scene of the remake. God it hurt so much, I couldn't imagine sitting through the whole thing. I think I'd rather be locked in a room eating nothing but dumplings for 15 years.
Corpse Kun haha I see what ya did there
Mmmm dumplings.
You cringed at every scene, really? Don’t be so overdramatic it’s not the worst movie ever made
why not 20 years?
Im. Glad. You're. Here. (Extends hand and stares)
Spike Lee: names his company “40 Acres and a Mule” to evoke the mistreatment of former slaves in America and how they were tricked into fighting in the army with promises of rewards, but were given basically nothing in the end and had their humanity denied.
Also Spike Lee: Tricks someone into doing tons of work for him with promises of reward, but gives him basically nothing in the end and then denies his existence.
*Palpatine quote*
It's always those that preach the loudest.
AND HE PUTS THE 40 ACRES AND A MULE BIT ON THE POSTER WHILE DOING THAT SHIT OHMYGOD
Yeah, not a huge fan spike lee films Ngl I thought Malcom X was pretty good though.
It's ok, he did it to a white guy so it's not evil
@@pantsedjuniorhayseed4816 ah yes, Jaun Luis Garcia, the white man
My sister actually watched the Spike Lee remake without ever watching or knowing anything about the original. And she's not really interested in watching the original now. I find that really depressing.
You should probably not insist her to watch it.
She will find the original sooner or later, don't worry 😉
That's the biggest crime of this remake. Turning people off of one of the greatest films of all time.
Im not saying to force her to watch the og. Im not.
UNLESS.
Unless she thinks the Spike Lee one is good.
I think its important to educate people on the quality of works not from the americas, especially if theyve been bastardised into english, but not by force.
@@yourmomsjorts oh no, she hated it lol
Quote from Polish reviewer:
"God forbid, don't watch the American remake first (...). Anything that can go wrong with remakes, taking someone's brilliant idea and masterpiece and making it your own, with no creativity at all and in the most disgustingly trashy way - that's the situation. I recommend checking the remake after watching the original, like because you already know this one, and you want to laugh at the other; as something like an autopsy, you want to see the corpse and discover what went wrong."
Damn 💀 a perfect analogy
I recommend not wasting your time on the remake at all.
Where do you see this review, I like to see more about this guy reviews also just well written reviews in general lol
Ej trochę beka, czy to jest komentarz o mnie :>? Pod jednym z moich ulubionych filmików-recenzjo-analiz na youtubie :D?!
Lmao perfect review. I couldn’t make it past the first 16 minutes of the remake
Just realised that Lee Woo Jin said;
What happens after you've had revenge? I bet that hidden pain probably emerges again.
And that's exactly what happened as he killed himself on the way down from his penthouse
Damn. Another small direction decision that emphasizes the brilliance of the film.
what an accidental self-own.
And let's not forget the irony in him handing out the remote control, which isn't working and he kills himself. He doesn't even give Oh Dae-su his revenge. What a bitter ending.
Yep even after his revenge he flashed back to his sister dying realizing that now the last person that caused her death had to be punished, so he killed himself.
Honestly, Park Chan-wook's Vengeance trilogy consists of some of the most anti-revenge films out there. He treats the subject matter in a serious and nuanced way instead of romanticising it. His approach is incredibly mature.
Kinda funny listening to this after the success of squid game and parasite proved that the studios were wrong and American audiences are willing to watch foreign films without needing to be introduced to them via poorly done remakes
It is nice to see more appreciation for foreign films unfortunately doesn't stop Hollywood, they're remaking train to Busan and making a live action for a beautifully animated movie called Your Name
Yea but it has its downsides, I couldn’t get through watching that show with my parents, they had to watch the fkn dubbed version.
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@@kush6846dubs aren’t always bad if you give them a chance, sometimes they give work to truly excellent American professional voice actors (who we all know often get screwed over in favor of “celebrity” casting in American made animated films)
@@maddieb.4282 you obviously have never seen dubbed version of Squid Game. I’m not discrediting dubbing as a whole, just complaining as to how shit the dub version of that show is.
Gotta say, despite how pointless the remake is, the fact that you reviewed and compared the two introduced me to the original. Watched it the other night and despite watching this video and spoiling everything for myself, I was still enchanted with it and it still had a massive effect on me. God, I miss people truly caring about the movies they make.
There's many people still like that, they're just getting harder to find.
You've now conditioned me to whenever I hear something slightly incestuous, like a joke or some weird book we're reading in literature to instinctively go "FaThEr." and then hear a shotgun
Blahhh
😂🤣😂🤣
The amount of times he replayed that clip has that ingrained in my brain. Alabama is no longer the poster child for incest. Now it’s a kid with a forced British accent unbuttoning his pants going “FaRtHa!”
It triggers some kind of snowballing in my head. First this “Father!” then I immediately think about the “FAAAAATHER!” from IT crowd. Weird mix I tell ya.
Pavlov's gun
You need a spinoff series called Your Movie Is Awesome and talk about more brilliant films! Really enjoyed hearing you talk about the original.
EspressoMuseum
There's already something like that, his series on Synecdoche New York and the "Top ten films from 3 years ago" videos
An actual YMR (Your Movie Rocks) channel would be better. I could listen to him enthusiastically dissect a movie he adores all day. Considering there's a replay button I probably will.
EspressoMuseum i agree!! 😃
moonymonster same here. I honestly wasn’t interested in watching this movie until now. I would absolutely love to watch more in depth “recommendations”.
Agreed. Adam's reviews are always good but I find inherent negativity and cynicism incredibly draining. Hearing him gush about great movies would be a welcome break from the norm.