Thank you Jocko for this great conversation, I’m from Egypt, my country is/was/will be a part of this conflict till God knows when! You and Darryl are one of the very few people who are having a non-baised and mature conversation, putting yourself in the shoes of someone who grew up as a part of the conflict! Humanity needs more convos like this, hats off to you both!
@mattyay5376 He's talking specifically about messaging/optics, and what it seems to be what most people are hearing. He isn't definitively saying that's the situation, but it *is* the rhetoric.
Jocko is the world champion to see the dirt on the other side, can't see none of it on his side, even if he is choking up in it. Just watch his body languange between 4:30 and 4:35, forcing his mouth to say something he does not believe at all lol. Listen at 10:00 how they are not able to understand how Israel is losing the infomation war. Let's help them: because Israel is commiting war crimes, Palestinians have to just pull out their phones and start to film unbereable footages of dead kids? 14:40 please, " a succeess colonisation project" this dude is for real Between 14:40 and 15:30, it's just unreal, how any decent human being can agree to this shit? This interview is a joke actually, 43:20: Israel's goal is to work in peace and stability by chasing every Palestinians from their land? Why these Israelis did not go somewhere in Russia, or Argentina, or USA? why these peace makers had to come right in the middle of muslims countries to establish peace by moving millions of people around? Because their holy book said so? I go into someone's house, and throw him and his family outside, then I propose my help to him to find a house somewhere else, but the other one is not so happy about the trade, now i'm the peacemaker and pacifist? while the other one is a terrorist? Get real Jocko. With all the books you read you know what you see, but I know that you have to pick a team in the end of the day, you are not free to speak your mind.
the bias is hidden well. but I think this podcast was all about white washing Israeli war crimes. like bombing hospitals and convoys of ambulances and UN schools. all that and they haven't confirmed a single enemy kill in Gaza. Israel is losing the information war because they lie and distort everything 80% of the time. keep up your propaganda. but these new kids on the internet are back checking everything they see and hear. they seek the truth... so they find it.
Composure, Patience, taking the high road. Traits many may strive to achieve as Jocko has through challenging life experiences. Hearing him speak of losing men (not only men but close and dear friends) yet despite that, as a leader, he still must interact with the local populous with peace and friendliness not knowing if some may very well be responsible for killing American soldiers. I've never been through anything remotely as challenging as Jocko, let alone served, which is why I enjoy his podcast as it puts my own obstacles into perspective
I'm an Israeli, I found this discussion very interesting. I'm obviously biased and disagree with some of the analysis, but this discussion at least seems genuine and doesn't degrade to weak rhetoric, thanks for that.
It kind of boils down to a couple of point The Blood Meridian analogy And the notion when committing atrocity as policy you’ve lost your grievance argument with civilized folks Ergun and the Stern gang are old news Even Sharon’s excesses are and he’s dead The other analogy about Hamas or any old angry Palestinian just wants to burn down grandmas former house inside Israel now to spite may explain the nihilism It is without question the worlds most intransigent conflict No answers from me and I used to work in ramat gan I support Israel cause they are more civilized than their neighbors in general not because I’m a Christian I have friends to this day in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv Something new will have to appear and change to remedy this Something we can’t see yet But y’all better start screwing more I can promise you that. No shortage good looking women there I can attest to that
It’s a good natured discussion, we need more of this! It helps put a rational process on a very emotional subject. What happened first the chicken or the egg? And it’s so complicated that we have to get the good natured people from both sides together and stop thinking of there past and think of the future 🙏🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Gentlemen, well done and well said. I’m a Pakistani Muslim watching in despair as this endless cycle repeats itself in the Holy Land. And I must say, I learned a lot more about the historical context of this issue here than anywhere else so far. Thank you for the education. Love the ‘Emperor of Israel’ solution. Longer term, makes total sense. Good job.
Agreed. This is a good discussion. Abrahamic religious supremacism is the root of all this. And I’m tired of it. Their childish, murderous supremacist views towards each other and other human beings makes being on The Earth harder and more tragic and far less peaceful than it should and could be. Before anyone tries to call me a godless Marxist that is in the crew that’s responsible themselves for massacring over a hundred million, I’m not. I know there’s an Engineer that’s designed this place, whatever and wherever it is. And there’s a reverence in me for it…. for my existence. The difference with me is I don’t think I’m “chosen people,” the “best of people,” or “saved” and anyone that doesn’t believe as I do is damned. Anyone interested in talking about this some please reply. I’m interested in seeing the Earth a better place to live for everyone, but in order to do that the human race has to jettison supremacist religious ideas about themselves.
@@jorgemmc21 What's the point in making such a statement without offering any supporting input or reasoning? If you're making claims, it's logical to explain your perspective instead of providing no input at all. It's unhelpful for anyone trying to understand various perspectives. I'm writing this comment out of genuine curiosity and not with any intent of hostility.
Found Daryl on tuckers podcast the other day. Didn’t know he did podcasts with jocko, and he said they haven’t done it in a long time. I listen to this, and I think I know why. Jocko doing what he’s told like a good goy!
India who have been cucks for power forever can't imagine fighting back just straight out flattery(mostly) or domination (a few times) can't stand fighting face when being a weaker side
What an excellent conversation. I was a volunteer on a kibbutz in the northern part of Israel in 1982, during the first few months of the first Lebanon war, so I knew young people who went to fight there., a couple of whom died There was massive disagreement on the kibbutz, lots of little white peace flags flying and then getting torn down during the night. Until a few minutes ago I did not have anything like a real understanding of what happened, so thank you.
@@batmanRBCPretty much the same as back then. That peaceful coexistence is unlikely to ever happen. It's why I left back then - I wanted to stay, I was in love (or so I thought, lol), but the future looked pretty bleak. There's a part of me that finds all this passionate fighting over the tiniest strip of land somewhat absurd.
hope someone who have influence on the situation watch this podcast, thank you joko and Darry, as a palestinian I learned a lot from him about the situation.
Jocko mentioned near the end that the original Martyrmade 6 episodes is 27 hours of breakdown on the history. I don’t know where it gets much deeper than that.
Perspective like this is why I started listening to Darryl years ago. The culture war might get clicks, but it gets the world nowhere and is the reason why, for the most part, I no longer pay attention to you. Thoughtful nuance and balance is what we need and it's so great to hear that from you again. Thank you both for doing this and bringing a non-asshole aproach to this shit show in the middle-east.
Great conversation ! Wanna add that the religious aspect of the conflict hasn't been talked about much, it's not just territorial and identity conflict, Al-Aqsa Mosque, the holy site for Muslims, adds to the complexity of the dispute, it's more than that.
I find it prudent to really take some time and think about all sides/agenda whatever anyone is constantly trying to tie strong emotion to an event. This is a great conversation.
THANK YOU for a mature, adult conversation withOUT emotional arguments and extreme bias. It’s impossible to have zero bias, but this is as close as one can get 👍 👏
You are missing the aspect of poverty. Who is more likely to be angry and fight - an unemployed 20 year old man with unlimited free time or a 20 year old man who is prospering and working 50 hours a week.
Same as here in the US. How many industrys died in the last 40 years with no replacement industrys? Now look at their crime and addiction rates in those areas.
The relationship between poverty and terrorism is actually a myth. Research by scholars of terror economics such as Claude Baraby show that it's much more common that terrorists come from middle and upper middle class families and tend to be well educated.
This is the only sober take on the Israeli/Palestine/hamas take I've seen thus far. I think you both for your honesty, especially when it comes to hyper sensitive topics such as this .
Very informative. Came here after finishing Darryl's intense but brilliant MartyrMade: Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem. I have a much better understanding of the situation now.
What did you learn? He was balanced in a lot of ways, but he centered Palestinian resistance as the violent initiator and the pretense of the nakba without acknowledging the current occupation and violence in the West Bank, the seige in Gaza, the settlement expansions, home demolitions. In other words the aggression has never ended and Palestinians are slowly being removed from the land. They also fail to understand that Arabs aren’t a monolith, Egyptians aren’t just a nationality ie. We are Arabized people with our own unique cultures, dialects, and pre Arabization histories. A Colonial based states are never right in their colonization.
@@jawadalla11 he definitely covered all that in his 20+ hr Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem. This is why when I hear one sided arguments from some on both sides I can see through it.
@@Horsemanray chill man. This is a podcast, not a lecture with ppt slides. This is level headed and sensitive enough. I enjoyed the first 20 minutes more than the rest to be more specific but there were parts I disagreed with.
Great podcast. Definitely agree with the need to step back and take a look at things strategically - see that happen over and over in many different situations.
As an American Palestinian this was an interesting listen and interesting perspectives even weeks after October 7th. Israel definitely fumbling the info war bag…America and Israel seem to be okay with allowing these atrocities on my people to take place which is incredibly odd in the 21st century. Something has to give and if a peaceful 1 or 2 state solution was on the table it’s looking like we’re farther and farther from that.
Sir, which peaceful one state? With what laws? Show me an Arab state without internal killings. Heck, kiiling women for family honor happens regularly. As for 2 states, there are very few arabs that would agree to that
Friend, nobody is ok with allowing atrocities, but Israel is the only true democracy in MENA and is a very valuable defense ally to the West. Respectfully, if the Palestinian cause is to eradicate Israel “from river (Jordan) to sea” then it is doomed. As long as ~3 billion Christians (cultural & religious) control the balance of power & wealth in the world, Israel will remain custodian of the holy land. In exchange for aid, trade & protection, Israel is tasked to maintain democracy, keep the sacred sites safe & open for all tourists, & serve as defense ally providing intelligence & nucl deterrence to sectarian conflict in MENA. I empathize with suffering of Palestinians, but they refuse to accept the reality of their situation & keep wasting their resources & lives on an impossible goal 😢
Your people wanted every Jewish child, woman and man pushed to the sea in 1948. That is recorded and official. But you lost. Lost again in 1967. Israel always accepted 2 state solution since the United Nations resolution that was voted in. Arabs change the narrative. People are ignorant of facts. Reason why Hamas winning info wars
It's so depressing. I don't see a way out of this, I just don't. To expect these two groups of people can ever agree both sides have legitimate grievances and finally decide to work together to solve this, that's such a big ask, I won't see it in my lifetime.
I think you’re right unfortunately. What still gets me beyond the intel failure but what does Hamas gain from this? Is it just them trying to sabotage anything/everything having to do Israel making peace w/other ME countries? They know Israel is going to react and they don’t really have a way to “defend” themselves beyond what they’ve already done and I don’t mean what Hamas did was a defensive thing cause it wasn’t. I did see one tweet that was supposed to be funny but they basically said if some guy pops up and can make peace or claim it to be careful of that guy 👀
Israeli lives peacefully with millions of Arab Muslims who live in Israel. The ones who rejected living with Jews segregated themselves to Gaza. That shows it’s completely on them, they have rejected all possible 2 state solutions.
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Informative and interesting takes on this complex and despairing situation. Thanks for sharing this Jocko and Darryl. Yet, the one timestamp at 1:21:00 that made me put into question some of our stances was when they mentioned the U.S. carrier ships and how if an enemy were to attack them we would retaliate by destroying them and everyone they know. How is this different than Israel's response to defend itself by killing all in their way, or Hamas doing the same to those opposing them (Israel)? The impression I got from this statement on the podcast made me realize that when the bad thing happens to us, in some ways our response is no better. Anyone else have comments on this part? Apart from that, I enjoyed this conversation very much.
Sounds like your eyes are opening my friend. We haven’t been luke skywalker since the 1920’s. If you could call us that after what we did to the natives and the slaves and probably many other atrocities. But since the 1950’s we’ve definitely been darth vader. We have not been the good guys in a very long time if ever.
100% true about the information operation. Every single photo coming out of Gaza showed a wounded or otherwise distressed child. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a single soldier in the entirety of the coverage of Gaza.
Abrahamic religious supremacism is the root of all this. And I’m tired of it. Their childish, murderous supremacist views towards each other and other human beings makes being on The Earth harder and more tragic and far less peaceful than it should and could be. Before anyone tries to call me a godless Marxist that is in the crew that’s responsible themselves for massacring over a hundred million, I’m not. I know there’s an Engineer that’s designed this place, whatever and wherever it is. And there’s a reverence in me for it…. for my existence. The difference with me is I don’t think I’m “chosen people,” the “best of people,” or “saved” and anyone that doesn’t believe as I do is damned. Anyone interested in talking about this some please reply. I’m interested in seeing the Earth a better place to live for everyone, but in order to do that the human race has to jettison supremacist religious ideas about themselves.
Which side uses human shields? Which side is deterred by human shields? If you’re looking for a simple way to perceive the conflict, it’s a great proxy.
Everyone gets 1 vote. You get an additional vote for head of household. HoH gets an extra vote for each dependent. HoH gets an extra vote if paying off a mortgage, and two additional votes if the mortgage is paid off. Solves a lot of issues with the electorate.
He doesn’t understand history. Or even understand that if the Apaches and Comanches are raiding your settlements, scalping civilians, taking women and children as slaves you have no alternative then to destroy them if you want peace. Btw the Apaches and Comanches did this to each other for generations and generations before any Europeans or Americans arrived. Just the same fundamentals Muslims have been doing exactly what Hamas and Isis does since Muhammad himself. He be-headed people and killed captives taking their wives as slaves. In war of clear conquests btw. The both sides is so ignorant of history and human nature.
Earlier in the video, Jocko tried to wrestle with the idea that Hamas was winning the propaganda war in spite of the atrocity of the attacks. As a testament to Jocko’s lack of ideological bent, he didn’t mention the fact that a great part of progressive ideology is based on historical grievance, no matter how old. It is a major tenant to discredit the present by bringing up the past. Later he / the two of them touched on it when they mentioned teaching history in the vein of forgiveness versus the continuation of old grievance. Never mind; he got around to it at the end in a treatise, delightfully free of ideology.
You saying it’s “part of the past” would only make sense if a refugee camp established 50 years ago wasn’t currently still in occupation. The Israeli claim of holy land from “2000” years ago, now THAT IS bringing up the past.
@djwestbrook36 that's what makes this situation complicated is that Israel and Palestine have grievance upon grievance stacked upon more grievances. It's like Europe where all those countries have centuries of history and identity influencing actions. It's not straight forward, especially when in North America we have a civic nationalist point of view and no historical enemies with a shared border/territory
@@cac8793 what grievance does Israel have ? Palestinians can say, they were expelled from their homes, put in an open air prison, with 50% unemployment, dehumanized , and put in refugee camps. What is Israel’s grievance…? Terrorist attacks ?
The comparison between the Russians in Ukraine and Israel in Judea and Semeria is really not the same. There's an important fact you're missing. Israel is much smaller and has no strategic depth in case of a hostilr invasion, especually from the east. The eastern part is also elevated and from there it's only an hour and a half drive to the coast. So with all respect to the UN partition plan, Israel can't allow a hostile, unstable and dictatorial regime to exist alongside it. It's just too much of a risk.
You mentioned how Israel entered this situation right around the time it was no longer acceptable to engage in practices like this, and I agree. It happened right on the border of perceived acceptability. I would also argue, that similarly, violent revolution is also kind of something from the old world, and an idea that we would be better off doing away with. Everybody remembers and admires Bobby Sands, not many people remember the random IRA or Loyalist thugs that shot innocent people in the head in the name of the cause.
26:40 The issue with your immigration argument is that Mexico actually is prosperous, to the point where there are today more people immigrating from the US to Mexico than vice versa. The majority of illegal immigrants coming "from Mexico" today are flying in from Africa and Asia before hopping the border.
Do Daryryl, the Jews did not need their own nation. Maybe they needed to get out of Russia, but they already did hold position of high influence in many countries. I know the Papillion story, but, even then, the world was in the process of great change towards the Jews. By the way, Judaism is a religion. It is not an ethnicity. Israeli is an unnatural country. It is a private religious state, more similar to the Vatican.
If you use the terms occupation, apartheid, colonizer without defining them then you are defaulting to a marxist usage of the words. That is how you started this one podcast and built upon the content. And halfway through it and zero mention of the hamas charter. The charter is the fundamental launching point of history for hamas. Comparisons to Russia and the US Civil War are invalid. Indigenous rights to the area go to the Jewish civilization. But lets say that historical right is no longer of a practical concern. Jews are in Israel because Europe, the US and the Arab state all drove them out of their countries via violence or immigration and job policies. The world agreed in the 40's to resolve this issue by locating Jews in this area. That is the current overriding world wide agreement.
When are we going to get another of these? I honestly came here thinking I’d see a bunch of hate about it and prematurely concluding that’s why there isn’t a new one. Pleasantly surprised, and not surprised at the same time.
This discussion unravels an unraveling situation, into its true deep political and societal nature rather than pure religious as it might seem. I am biased for many reasons, but reason sounds beautiful anytime it rings !
In all of history "total war" has achieved more permanent results than "hearts and minds" campaigns. The history of even US wars pretty much supports that conclusion.
Somewhat correct. Muslim history is a lot more complicated, as they have existed through times of passivity. Unfortunately, the Wahabi way of thinking has taken over as of late, which is the more extreme and wants to follow their holy book to the letter
I feel some vital points should be addressed: Those "Palestinians" (being murdered) are *not* just Muslims. They are also Christians. We think they're Muslims because they speak Arabic, and therefore say things like: "InshaAllah (God Willing), Alhemduelilleh (Credit goes to God), MashaAllah (Praise God)," etc etc etc. Also, how is it that those folks who are implementing punishment for formication & murder, are carte blanche committing such atrocities as rape & murder of innocent women & children? The latter is/are *literally* zero locations in The Sacred Constitutional Law. Further, I don't understand why removing one's moral highground (by out of balance slaughter, in the exact fashion being claimed they are the victims of), is the go-to solution to being violently attacked. Why not mobilize & use all those troops to conduct round up & interrogations to root out the source? Last, but not least: Where's Abby Martin? And, did you know that Ben Shapiro's wife is a WW2 amnesty granted Moroccan Jew? 🤔 All those Hasty Generalizations seem a bit counterintuitive to The Cause we're speaking on, don't ya think? 🤔
@BlackHawk Excellent question. I think you'll find the answer in one, both, or all of the following options: a. France; an occupying colonial *power house.* Which would mean, you're giving further credence to my point (because, French Morocco was an Allied Power. Which means, once the invasion winded down, The King found it best to come to some sort of an agreement. Which means, the PEOPLE-whom, would have housed, fed, and spoiled them with fantastic Traditional Moroccan Tea)-would have (defacto) been in support of being inline with the Allied Forces; which, they would have anyhow/way-sans the need for any invasion persuaded arrangements. *FUN FACT:* Morocco, *yes,* Morocco, was/is the first Country to Acknowledge The USA as an official identity. b. You're asking, because, you didn't do your due diligence [thorough enough to vet your own ideas, before proposing such a tactically well thought out position (albeit-based on the inquiries grammarly & namesake structure-rife with biases, I hypothesize)]. c. Your question is a deflection. And, my respected interlocutor (whom, demonstrates a grammatically tactical *zest!)* has (ipso~facto) either intentionally, or unintentionally, missed the point (entirely). 🤔 edit: TL;DR What does your question, have to do with any of my actual points? And, what, precisely, is *your* point? *Bonus* What, *precisely,* are your *intentions?* 🤔
@@Heart.headed I was curious about your knowledge level and where you where going with the Morocco point. My questions has nothing to with your points or at least your main points. Do you think the Christians in Gaza are better of under Muslim rule than Israel rule? What laws are you referring to with The Sacred Constitutional Law? How do you conduct round up & interrogations to root out the source with fighting a war?
@@Heart.headed Thanks. Also thanks for bringing up the Palestinian Christians my father had a good friend who was a protestant Palestinian born/raised/lived in israel/west Bank. Not sure what the protestant Palestinian parents religion was or what religion he was raised with.
I have had to return to this video. In my unprofessional opinion I think that the decision of Israel to respond with air strikes was not arrived at without a large amount of intel on how extensive the tunnel systems were, and how said tunnels were interconnected with a lot of above civilian infrastructure (the more we hear of said system in the news). To add, I am going to assume that Israel does not have several SEAL team level resources available to them to clear out 300 miles of tunnels effectively without taking a large amount of casualties to do it. Given how much more fortified the Israeli military is in comparison to hamas however, at first glance it really does seem like hamas really had no strategy other than self destruction and taking out as many others with them as possible. But then I thought about the tunnel system of the Viet Cong and how effective that was in bogging down their adversaries during Vietnam. From reading, it seemed the most effective way of clearing the VC tunnel system was by doing it the hard way of sending soldiers down in them. I wonder if hamas was confident in a similar reaction from Israel given the reality we live in now of every move made by a sovereign country is now easily in view of the entire world. I believe hamas did not expect fully the response that came. Further, any “over arching idea of benevolence” may win the information war undoubtedly, but will result in much higher casualties on Israeli side. My opinions are not qualified, just ruminating in the comments with everyone else. To add, I did not want to believe the things that happened on October 7 so I stopped reading accounts from Israeli based press on a few stories that caught my attention, I started going through press releases from surrounding countries and their news agencies. I’m not a battle hardened man and I must say that I thought here in 2023 we collectively, as denizens of this planet were moving past such barbaric acts of brutality on the general population. Several times for the few days after reading these stories, I have found myself forgetting what I was doing at work or home just trying to wrap my brain around shit. hamas must be completely e/v/iscer/ rated from all of Palestinian life down to the last limp chico de paja and last bit of doctrine / manifesto burned. For the children who die on BOTH sides, shame to all who start their diatribe with “yeah, but..” 🖕
They are ignoring the religious component of this situation. Israel wasn’t founded by random Europeans looking to expand an empire. It was by Jews in countries that they were a minority and generally treated badly. The fact that it is a Jewish state is why the Arab world finds 1948 so “humiliating” and that Palestinian refugees aren’t expected to move on or settle in a different country. Most other conflicts mentioned don’t contain such a central religious aspect.
45% of Israelis are secular atheists. 21% are non-observant believers. This is from a 2022 Pew poll. Being a Jew is ethnic heritage and/OR religion. The OR part is important. As a Jewish newspaper once wrote, “Israel’s religion is not Judaism. It’s the Holocaust.” BTW, Israel has no state sponsored religion. Palestinians are 97% Muslim. Their ‘Basic Law’ says Islam is the official religion.
When you say you truly believe in justice, It becomes very problematic when the side you whole heartedly support is ultimately on the wrong side of justice.
With all due respect guys, you would NEVER speak about the United States with the scrutiny and criticism that you give Israel. Jocko, you’re entire career is built upon the foundation of the “war crimes” of the invasion of Iraq. Would you call yourself a horrible terrorist? This guest you have slobbers on the knob of bad faith Islamic jihadists wayyyyy too much. You recognized the evil you eliminated in Iraq and that’s how you’re able to sleep at night. Don’t treat Israel like they are uniquely evil in the West’s attempt to keep evil at bay. Do better.
I think the question to ask at this point in our history, not as a nation but as human-kind, is will this ever end unless there is complete destruction of one side/team or the other? Maybe war/greed/conflict really is our nature, I just don’t see there ever being world peace.
I think it is impossible to accurately discuss this conflict without understanding the spiritual nature of the Land, the People, the Promise and the Future
I agree with him partially. People leave out though that the Ottoman Empire constantly invaded and conquered that land while Israelis lived there for thousands of years. It is the same concept as the United States giving Indian reservations to native americans.
Good point… even though the reservations have been an abject failure in both the US and Australia, the only two countries I know to have used them. While harsh, history seems to clearly say that conquered peoples should be integrated into a society or removed from it. The middle ground just doesn’t work (separate lands with separate laws, citizen or not citizen.. and how that conflicts with separate lands or not… the keeping alive of old grievances, even if justified, etc).
@@respond2meifudare- I don’t blame you for your view. What I ask is, “How is what you say any different than the Jews who say the Romans took their land… forcing Jews to seek refuge in other nations for millennia…with the Palestinians living on stolen land?”
I never comment but felt necessary now. You guys are hands down the best duo on TH-cam. Please make more videos. You are educating a generation.
Thank you Jocko for this great conversation, I’m from Egypt, my country is/was/will be a part of this conflict till God knows when! You and Darryl are one of the very few people who are having a non-baised and mature conversation, putting yourself in the shoes of someone who grew up as a part of the conflict! Humanity needs more convos like this, hats off to you both!
There are some people who view Jocko as a military meathead. Your comment is on point.
Imagining thinking "mowing the lawn" isnt completely insane
Finally conversations without clear bias or agendas. Thank you Jacko and Darryl.
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Watch 911 missing links... Israel is literally the synagogue of Satan
@mattyay5376 He's talking specifically about messaging/optics, and what it seems to be what most people are hearing. He isn't definitively saying that's the situation, but it *is* the rhetoric.
Jocko is the world champion to see the dirt on the other side, can't see none of it on his side, even if he is choking up in it.
Just watch his body languange between 4:30 and 4:35, forcing his mouth to say something he does not believe at all lol.
Listen at 10:00 how they are not able to understand how Israel is losing the infomation war. Let's help them: because Israel is commiting war crimes, Palestinians have to just pull out their phones and start to film unbereable footages of dead kids?
14:40 please, " a succeess colonisation project" this dude is for real
Between 14:40 and 15:30, it's just unreal, how any decent human being can agree to this shit?
This interview is a joke actually, 43:20: Israel's goal is to work in peace and stability by chasing every Palestinians from their land?
Why these Israelis did not go somewhere in Russia, or Argentina, or USA? why these peace makers had to come right in the middle of muslims countries to establish peace by moving millions of people around? Because their holy book said so?
I go into someone's house, and throw him and his family outside, then I propose my help to him to find a house somewhere else, but the other one is not so happy about the trade, now i'm the peacemaker and pacifist? while the other one is a terrorist?
Get real Jocko. With all the books you read you know what you see, but I know that you have to pick a team in the end of the day, you are not free to speak your mind.
the bias is hidden well. but I think this podcast was all about white washing Israeli war crimes. like bombing hospitals and convoys of ambulances and UN schools. all that and they haven't confirmed a single enemy kill in Gaza. Israel is losing the information war because they lie and distort everything 80% of the time. keep up your propaganda. but these new kids on the internet are back checking everything they see and hear. they seek the truth... so they find it.
Composure, Patience, taking the high road. Traits many may strive to achieve as Jocko has through challenging life experiences. Hearing him speak of losing men (not only men but close and dear friends) yet despite that, as a leader, he still must interact with the local populous with peace and friendliness not knowing if some may very well be responsible for killing American soldiers. I've never been through anything remotely as challenging as Jocko, let alone served, which is why I enjoy his podcast as it puts my own obstacles into perspective
I'm an Israeli, I found this discussion very interesting. I'm obviously biased and disagree with some of the analysis, but this discussion at least seems genuine and doesn't degrade to weak rhetoric, thanks for that.
I’m from Egypt and it seems we can agree on something lol
It kind of boils down to a couple of point
The Blood Meridian analogy
And the notion when committing atrocity as policy you’ve lost your grievance argument with civilized folks
Ergun and the Stern gang are old news
Even Sharon’s excesses are and he’s dead
The other analogy about Hamas or any old angry Palestinian just wants to burn down grandmas former house inside Israel now to spite may explain the nihilism
It is without question the worlds most intransigent conflict
No answers from me and I used to work in ramat gan
I support Israel cause they are more civilized than their neighbors in general not because I’m a Christian
I have friends to this day in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv
Something new will have to appear and change to remedy this
Something we can’t see yet
But y’all better start screwing more I can promise you that.
No shortage good looking women there I can attest to that
It’s a good natured discussion, we need more of this! It helps put a rational process on a very emotional subject. What happened first the chicken or the egg? And it’s so complicated that we have to get the good natured people from both sides together and stop thinking of there past and think of the future 🙏🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
@@kareemyasser88I feel bad that you have such a horrible neighbor
Go listen to 327 USS LIBERTY
Gentlemen, well done and well said. I’m a Pakistani Muslim watching in despair as this endless cycle repeats itself in the Holy Land. And I must say, I learned a lot more about the historical context of this issue here than anywhere else so far. Thank you for the education. Love the ‘Emperor of Israel’ solution. Longer term, makes total sense. Good job.
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Agreed. This is a good discussion.
Abrahamic religious supremacism is the root of all this. And I’m tired of it. Their childish, murderous supremacist views towards each other and other human beings makes being on The Earth harder and more tragic and far less peaceful than it should and could be. Before anyone tries to call me a godless Marxist that is in the crew that’s responsible themselves for massacring over a hundred million, I’m not. I know there’s an Engineer that’s designed this place, whatever and wherever it is. And there’s a reverence in me for it…. for my existence. The difference with me is I don’t think I’m “chosen people,” the “best of people,” or “saved” and anyone that doesn’t believe as I do is damned.
Anyone interested in talking about this some please reply.
I’m interested in seeing the Earth a better place to live for everyone, but in order to do that the human race has to jettison supremacist religious ideas about themselves.
Israel can't make peace with people who follow Muhammad's violent teachings who are intent on getting 72 virgins in heaven.
Id iot
Darryl brings a lot to this podcast. He has a 360 degree analysis of situations that balances well with Jocko. These are valuable discussions.
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No he doesn't. Absurd takes and outright lies disguised as balanced takes.
@@jorgemmc21 What's the point in making such a statement without offering any supporting input or reasoning? If you're making claims, it's logical to explain your perspective instead of providing no input at all. It's unhelpful for anyone trying to understand various perspectives. I'm writing this comment out of genuine curiosity and not with any intent of hostility.
@@danq_ Have you heard about Brandolini's Law? That's why I don't have the time to take apart all of his BS.
Found Daryl on tuckers podcast the other day. Didn’t know he did podcasts with jocko, and he said they haven’t done it in a long time. I listen to this, and I think I know why. Jocko doing what he’s told like a good goy!
Amazing interview. Big props to Jocko for letting this guy talk and both of you being open to listening to each other!
You two together is POWEFUL .. historical and military strategy and REAL RAW INTENSE content. Thank you 🙏
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Thank you both, this is the most balanced informative , historical podcast I've listened to that explains the war. Many others are extreme.
I cannot think both of you enough for this fair and balanced conversation. This was absolutely phenomenal.
informed and nuanced discussion
"Gandhi's tactics would not have worked against the Mongols"
India who have been cucks for power forever can't imagine fighting back just straight out flattery(mostly) or domination (a few times) can't stand fighting face when being a weaker side
What an excellent conversation. I was a volunteer on a kibbutz in the northern part of Israel in 1982, during the first few months of the first Lebanon war, so I knew young people who went to fight there., a couple of whom died There was massive disagreement on the kibbutz, lots of little white peace flags flying and then getting torn down during the night. Until a few minutes ago I did not have anything like a real understanding of what happened, so thank you.
Respectfully, what is your view now?
@@batmanRBCPretty much the same as back then. That peaceful coexistence is unlikely to ever happen. It's why I left back then - I wanted to stay, I was in love (or so I thought, lol), but the future looked pretty bleak. There's a part of me that finds all this passionate fighting over the tiniest strip of land somewhat absurd.
hope someone who have influence on the situation watch this podcast, thank you joko and Darry, as a palestinian I learned a lot from him about the situation.
The people who have influence on the situation are Jewish
This is so balanced, and educational from a military and historical perspective. Well done.
Fantastic podcast. One of the best, if not the best, about this topic.
Hats off.
A deep dive into the history of this conflict is much needed.
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You can learn a lot of history by asking chatgpt questions. No need to listen to podcasts anymore.
Jocko mentioned near the end that the original Martyrmade 6 episodes is 27 hours of breakdown on the history. I don’t know where it gets much deeper than that.
@@mikereyna2680 Thanks! That's exactly the type of content that I'm looking for.
I see Martyrmade just dropped a new bonus podcast too. War all the time: Israel vs Palestine 1948-82.
best discussion of this nearly impossible situation i’ve heard yet.
So pumped to find the unravelling episodes after being fans of each of these guys for a few years before I knew they were friends.
This is the best analysis of the conflict I’ve seen so far, learned a ton, so interesting
I’m very impressed with this episode. Well done. Great job maintaining balance. Very wise reflection from both.
Thank you.
Egyptian American doctor
Why Egypt don't make Gaza part of Egyptian territory?
Thank you both for talking about this in this fashion
Things changing so rapidly in life is natures way of reminding us how rapidly we can change things in our own lives. Stay after it.
Nice
I wish there would be mention of the palestinian leaders and the connection they had Hitler
Thx
Love this reminder🤙 A focus on our own lives and the ones around us can make incredible changes. Be the change I want to see in the world✌️
@@1love1god1people9like Ukraine?
Love Unraveling episodes. Great work.
WOW!! I am rarely impressed but this was definitely the most grown man conversation I ever heard on this conflict. Long time follower now truly a fan.
Perspective like this is why I started listening to Darryl years ago. The culture war might get clicks, but it gets the world nowhere and is the reason why, for the most part, I no longer pay attention to you. Thoughtful nuance and balance is what we need and it's so great to hear that from you again. Thank you both for doing this and bringing a non-asshole aproach to this shit show in the middle-east.
Great conversation !
Wanna add that the religious aspect of the conflict hasn't been talked about much, it's not just territorial and identity conflict, Al-Aqsa Mosque, the holy site for Muslims, adds to the complexity of the dispute, it's more than that.
Can we call the next round of peace talks the Honda accords
My God.. How could you..
Lmao
Boooo! Lol
So it won't break down 😂😂😂😂😂
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Only if Japan hosts.
Thank you so much for providing this analysis. Please continue!
I find it prudent to really take some time and think about all sides/agenda whatever anyone is constantly trying to tie strong emotion to an event. This is a great conversation.
THANK YOU for a mature, adult conversation withOUT emotional arguments and extreme bias.
It’s impossible to have zero bias, but this is as close as one can get 👍 👏
You are missing the aspect of poverty. Who is more likely to be angry and fight - an unemployed 20 year old man with unlimited free time or a 20 year old man who is prospering and working 50 hours a week.
Good point.
Same as here in the US. How many industrys died in the last 40 years with no replacement industrys? Now look at their crime and addiction rates in those areas.
The relationship between poverty and terrorism is actually a myth. Research by scholars of terror economics such as Claude Baraby show that it's much more common that terrorists come from middle and upper middle class families and tend to be well educated.
Also missing the inbreeding component
We are also missing who is causing poverty to Gazans
This is the only sober take on the Israeli/Palestine/hamas take I've seen thus far. I think you both for your honesty, especially when it comes to hyper sensitive topics such as this .
This is most intellectually stimulating conversations I have EVER heard on this the craziest of situations. Keep it up!
Very informative. Came here after finishing Darryl's intense but brilliant MartyrMade: Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem. I have a much better understanding of the situation now.
What did you learn? He was balanced in a lot of ways, but he centered Palestinian resistance as the violent initiator and the pretense of the nakba without acknowledging the current occupation and violence in the West Bank, the seige in Gaza, the settlement expansions, home demolitions. In other words the aggression has never ended and Palestinians are slowly being removed from the land. They also fail to understand that Arabs aren’t a monolith, Egyptians aren’t just a nationality ie. We are Arabized people with our own unique cultures, dialects, and pre Arabization histories. A Colonial based states are never right in their colonization.
@@jawadalla11 he definitely covered all that in his 20+ hr Fear and Loathing in New Jerusalem. This is why when I hear one sided arguments from some on both sides I can see through it.
💯 It was an outstanding podcast and I learned a lot about the conflict.
I just want to commend how well balanced and calm headed these two guys are.
Did not expect less.
@@Horsemanray chill man. This is a podcast, not a lecture with ppt slides. This is level headed and sensitive enough. I enjoyed the first 20 minutes more than the rest to be more specific but there were parts I disagreed with.
Thank you for the knowledge and unbiased unemotional conversation. 🙏👏👏
Great discussion, which reminds us of how messy and difficult this conflict has been.
Hey Jocko!!! I think you were SPOT ON in the 18- 19ish minutes in about the message Israel should be focusing on...
Needed Jocko's opinions on this. Thanks.
Great podcast. Definitely agree with the need to step back and take a look at things strategically - see that happen over and over in many different situations.
As an American Palestinian this was an interesting listen and interesting perspectives even weeks after October 7th. Israel definitely fumbling the info war bag…America and Israel seem to be okay with allowing these atrocities on my people to take place which is incredibly odd in the 21st century. Something has to give and if a peaceful 1 or 2 state solution was on the table it’s looking like we’re farther and farther from that.
Sir, which peaceful one state? With what laws? Show me an Arab state without internal killings. Heck, kiiling women for family honor happens regularly. As for 2 states, there are very few arabs that would agree to that
Friend, nobody is ok with allowing atrocities, but Israel is the only true democracy in MENA and is a very valuable defense ally to the West. Respectfully, if the Palestinian cause is to eradicate Israel “from river (Jordan) to sea” then it is doomed.
As long as ~3 billion Christians (cultural & religious) control the balance of power & wealth in the world, Israel will remain custodian of the holy land. In exchange for aid, trade & protection, Israel is tasked to maintain democracy, keep the sacred sites safe & open for all tourists, & serve as defense ally providing intelligence & nucl deterrence to sectarian conflict in MENA.
I empathize with suffering of Palestinians, but they refuse to accept the reality of their situation & keep wasting their resources & lives on an impossible goal 😢
@@amirshalev3689 killing women for family honor? Lol wtf are you talking about. Who even are you bot. 🤖
Your people wanted every Jewish child, woman and man pushed to the sea in 1948. That is recorded and official. But you lost. Lost again in 1967. Israel always accepted 2 state solution since the United Nations resolution that was voted in.
Arabs change the narrative. People are ignorant of facts. Reason why Hamas winning info wars
Lol, you expect Israelis to live under Sharia law in a 1 state solution?
Haha, Israelis don't support those medieval Islamist laws.
When Jocko speaks...
I shut up! And I listen!
I’m Lebanese.. this is the best, most level headed discussion about this issue that i’ve seen
Hezbollah about to drag ya'll into a full blown war.
Brilliant dialogue thank you
Watching this nine months later as the carnage keeps going is an insane experience
11th month now
@@imacat123truly unbelievable
It's so depressing. I don't see a way out of this, I just don't. To expect these two groups of people can ever agree both sides have legitimate grievances and finally decide to work together to solve this, that's such a big ask, I won't see it in my lifetime.
I think you’re right unfortunately.
What still gets me beyond the intel failure but what does Hamas gain from this?
Is it just them trying to sabotage anything/everything having to do Israel making peace w/other ME countries?
They know Israel is going to react and they don’t really have a way to “defend” themselves beyond what they’ve already done and I don’t mean what Hamas did was a defensive thing cause it wasn’t.
I did see one tweet that was supposed to be funny but they basically said if some guy pops up and can make peace or claim it to be careful of that guy 👀
They don't need to agree or want peace, but they won't have a choice. They will be forced to comply .
@@cruelworld1902the Palestinians had their chance and just udderly destroyed it
Israeli lives peacefully with millions of Arab Muslims who live in Israel.
The ones who rejected living with Jews segregated themselves to Gaza.
That shows it’s completely on them, they have rejected all possible 2 state solutions.
You really want to know how to deal with the hopelessness, drudgery, failed ideals, liers, provocateurs, idiocy, treachery, unadulterated HATE, political power ambitions, stupidity, parasites, hypocrites, elites, woke think, religous differentials, ignorance, murder, and the new world order?
Read THE BOOK that explains the origins of all of all of this. READ THE BIBLE AND BELIEVE. Even better, LIVE IT & DO IT & your six is covered!!!
If you don't ACTUALLY READ IT, it can do nothing for you or them.
Informative and interesting takes on this complex and despairing situation. Thanks for sharing this Jocko and Darryl. Yet, the one timestamp at 1:21:00 that made me put into question some of our stances was when they mentioned the U.S. carrier ships and how if an enemy were to attack them we would retaliate by destroying them and everyone they know. How is this different than Israel's response to defend itself by killing all in their way, or Hamas doing the same to those opposing them (Israel)? The impression I got from this statement on the podcast made me realize that when the bad thing happens to us, in some ways our response is no better. Anyone else have comments on this part? Apart from that, I enjoyed this conversation very much.
Sounds like your eyes are opening my friend. We haven’t been luke skywalker since the 1920’s. If you could call us that after what we did to the natives and the slaves and probably many other atrocities. But since the 1950’s we’ve definitely been darth vader. We have not been the good guys in a very long time if ever.
100% true about the information operation. Every single photo coming out of Gaza showed a wounded or otherwise distressed child. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen a single soldier in the entirety of the coverage of Gaza.
Darryl is amazing. Underrated geopolitical genius. No ideology here but a deep understanding of the complexity and nuance
GREAT! Discussion.. keep it up, we need to have LEVEL HEADED people having this conversation- non biased people with the goal of resolving this issue
Abrahamic religious supremacism is the root of all this. And I’m tired of it. Their childish, murderous supremacist views towards each other and other human beings makes being on The Earth harder and more tragic and far less peaceful than it should and could be. Before anyone tries to call me a godless Marxist that is in the crew that’s responsible themselves for massacring over a hundred million, I’m not. I know there’s an Engineer that’s designed this place, whatever and wherever it is. And there’s a reverence in me for it…. for my existence. The difference with me is I don’t think I’m “chosen people,” the “best of people,” or “saved” and anyone that doesn’t believe as I do is damned.
Anyone interested in talking about this some please reply.
I’m interested in seeing the Earth a better place to live for everyone, but in order to do that the human race has to jettison supremacist religious ideas about themselves.
Jocko for President 🇺🇸!!!!!! Incredible discussion gentlemen. Bravo!
Yeah I agree Jocko for permanent term president
Even his mindset towards "guiding the mob" @1:28:16 as simple as it is, seems to be something that's lacking in US leadership at this time
Which side uses human shields? Which side is deterred by human shields? If you’re looking for a simple way to perceive the conflict, it’s a great proxy.
The Israeli defense ministry is in the middle of downtown Tel Aviv, surrounded by civilian buildings
Everyone gets 1 vote. You get an additional vote for head of household. HoH gets an extra vote for each dependent. HoH gets an extra vote if paying off a mortgage, and two additional votes if the mortgage is paid off. Solves a lot of issues with the electorate.
This is the most balanced prospective on the internet that I have come across. Nice work.
He doesn’t understand history.
Or even understand that if the Apaches and Comanches are raiding your settlements, scalping civilians, taking women and children as slaves you have no alternative then to destroy them if you want peace.
Btw the Apaches and Comanches did this to each other for generations and generations before any Europeans or Americans arrived.
Just the same fundamentals Muslims have been doing exactly what Hamas and Isis does since Muhammad himself.
He be-headed people and killed captives taking their wives as slaves.
In war of clear conquests btw.
The both sides is so ignorant of history and human nature.
Earlier in the video, Jocko tried to wrestle with the idea that Hamas was winning the propaganda war in spite of the atrocity of the attacks. As a testament to Jocko’s lack of ideological bent, he didn’t mention the fact that a great part of progressive ideology is based on historical grievance, no matter how old. It is a major tenant to discredit the present by bringing up the past. Later he / the two of them touched on it when they mentioned teaching history in the vein of forgiveness versus the continuation of old grievance. Never mind; he got around to it at the end in a treatise, delightfully free of ideology.
Smart guy right here
You saying it’s “part of the past” would only make sense if a refugee camp established 50 years ago wasn’t currently still in occupation. The Israeli claim of holy land from “2000” years ago, now THAT IS bringing up the past.
@djwestbrook36 that's what makes this situation complicated is that Israel and Palestine have grievance upon grievance stacked upon more grievances. It's like Europe where all those countries have centuries of history and identity influencing actions. It's not straight forward, especially when in North America we have a civic nationalist point of view and no historical enemies with a shared border/territory
@@cac8793 what grievance does Israel have ? Palestinians can say, they were expelled from their homes, put in an open air prison, with 50% unemployment, dehumanized , and put in refugee camps. What is Israel’s grievance…? Terrorist attacks ?
Name other nation still being refugees for 7 generations@@djwestbrook36
The comparison between the Russians in Ukraine and Israel in Judea and Semeria is really not the same. There's an important fact you're missing. Israel is much smaller and has no strategic depth in case of a hostilr invasion, especually from the east. The eastern part is also elevated and from there it's only an hour and a half drive to the coast. So with all respect to the UN partition plan, Israel can't allow a hostile, unstable and dictatorial regime to exist alongside it. It's just too much of a risk.
Darryl, I appreciate your thoughts on the conflict, but you heavily focused on presenting events from one perspective.
You mentioned how Israel entered this situation right around the time it was no longer acceptable to engage in practices like this, and I agree. It happened right on the border of perceived acceptability.
I would also argue, that similarly, violent revolution is also kind of something from the old world, and an idea that we would be better off doing away with. Everybody remembers and admires Bobby Sands, not many people remember the random IRA or Loyalist thugs that shot innocent people in the head in the name of the cause.
26:40 The issue with your immigration argument is that Mexico actually is prosperous, to the point where there are today more people immigrating from the US to Mexico than vice versa. The majority of illegal immigrants coming "from Mexico" today are flying in from Africa and Asia before hopping the border.
This podcast is information dense like peanut butter is calorie dense. Loved every minute.
Thank you for speaking about this. I really wanted to hear from you and Sean Ryan
Do Daryryl, the Jews did not need their own nation. Maybe they needed to get out of Russia, but they already did hold position of high influence in many countries. I know the Papillion story, but, even then, the world was in the process of great change towards the Jews. By the way, Judaism is a religion. It is not an ethnicity. Israeli is an unnatural country. It is a private religious state, more similar to the Vatican.
Thank you for your service Jocko and all the advices given!
If you use the terms occupation, apartheid, colonizer without defining them then you are defaulting to a marxist usage of the words. That is how you started this one podcast and built upon the content.
And halfway through it and zero mention of the hamas charter. The charter is the fundamental launching point of history for hamas. Comparisons to Russia and the US Civil War are invalid.
Indigenous rights to the area go to the Jewish civilization. But lets say that historical right is no longer of a practical concern.
Jews are in Israel because Europe, the US and the Arab state all drove them out of their countries via violence or immigration and job policies. The world agreed in the 40's to resolve this issue by locating Jews in this area. That is the current overriding world wide agreement.
When are we going to get another of these? I honestly came here thinking I’d see a bunch of hate about it and prematurely concluding that’s why there isn’t a new one. Pleasantly surprised, and not surprised at the same time.
This conversation is so much more elevated than the chaff from most
Please run for president Jocko 🙏
This discussion unravels an unraveling situation, into its true deep political and societal nature rather than pure religious as it might seem. I am biased for many reasons, but reason sounds beautiful anytime it rings !
We really need a new discussion on the war in Gaza. Thanks guys.
Peter Ziehan needs to be on this podcast.
In all of history "total war" has achieved more permanent results than "hearts and minds" campaigns. The history of even US wars pretty much supports that conclusion.
This was an excellent conversation.
Thank you, you guys really understand this from a geopolitical and religious angle. ❤ I hope this ends.
this guy is SO knowledgeable !
This conflict has gone on MUCH longer than 100 years. It's not just Hamas VS. Israel, it's Muslim VS. Jew...
Exactly. Not just some territory dispute
Somewhat correct. Muslim history is a lot more complicated, as they have existed through times of passivity. Unfortunately, the Wahabi way of thinking has taken over as of late, which is the more extreme and wants to follow their holy book to the letter
It's not Muslims vs Jews. Israel just bombed A CHURCH.
Thousands upon Thousands of Jews stand against colonist Israel.
I feel some vital points should be addressed: Those "Palestinians" (being murdered) are *not* just Muslims. They are also Christians. We think they're Muslims because they speak Arabic, and therefore say things like: "InshaAllah (God Willing), Alhemduelilleh (Credit goes to God), MashaAllah (Praise God)," etc etc etc.
Also, how is it that those folks who are implementing punishment for formication & murder, are carte blanche committing such atrocities as rape & murder of innocent women & children?
The latter is/are *literally* zero locations in The Sacred Constitutional Law.
Further, I don't understand why removing one's moral highground (by out of balance slaughter, in the exact fashion being claimed they are the victims of), is the go-to solution to being violently attacked.
Why not mobilize & use all those troops to conduct round up & interrogations to root out the source?
Last, but not least:
Where's Abby Martin?
And, did you know that Ben Shapiro's wife is a WW2 amnesty granted Moroccan Jew?
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All those Hasty Generalizations seem a bit counterintuitive to The Cause we're speaking on, don't ya think?
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Who controlled morocco at that time?
@BlackHawk
Excellent question.
I think you'll find the answer in one, both, or all of the following options:
a. France; an occupying colonial *power house.* Which would mean, you're giving further credence to my point (because, French Morocco was an Allied Power. Which means, once the invasion winded down, The King found it best to come to some sort of an agreement. Which means, the PEOPLE-whom, would have housed, fed, and spoiled them with fantastic Traditional Moroccan Tea)-would have (defacto) been in support of being inline with the Allied Forces; which, they would have anyhow/way-sans the need for any invasion persuaded arrangements.
*FUN FACT:* Morocco, *yes,* Morocco, was/is the first Country to Acknowledge The USA as an official identity.
b. You're asking, because, you didn't do your due diligence [thorough enough to vet your own ideas, before proposing such a tactically well thought out position (albeit-based on the inquiries grammarly & namesake structure-rife with biases, I hypothesize)].
c. Your question is a deflection.
And, my respected interlocutor (whom, demonstrates a grammatically tactical *zest!)* has (ipso~facto) either intentionally, or unintentionally, missed the point (entirely).
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edit: TL;DR
What does your question, have to do with any of my actual points?
And, what, precisely, is *your* point?
*Bonus*
What, *precisely,* are your *intentions?*
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@@Heart.headed I was curious about your knowledge level and where you where going with the Morocco point. My questions has nothing to with your points or at least your main points. Do you think the Christians in Gaza are better of under Muslim rule than Israel rule? What laws are you referring to with The Sacred Constitutional Law? How do you conduct round up & interrogations to root out the source with fighting a war?
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I Respect the way you critically think, ask questions, & conduct yourself.
@@Heart.headed Thanks. Also thanks for bringing up the Palestinian Christians my father had a good friend who was a protestant Palestinian born/raised/lived in israel/west Bank. Not sure what the protestant Palestinian parents religion was or what religion he was raised with.
Everyone needs to rewatch episode 327 of the Jocko Podcast to learn the truth about Israel.
Great stuff guys
Thanks for the perspective
I have had to return to this video. In my unprofessional opinion I think that the decision of Israel to respond with air strikes was not arrived at without a large amount of intel on how extensive the tunnel systems were, and how said tunnels were interconnected with a lot of above civilian infrastructure (the more we hear of said system in the news). To add, I am going to assume that Israel does not have several SEAL team level resources available to them to clear out 300 miles of tunnels effectively without taking a large amount of casualties to do it.
Given how much more fortified the Israeli military is in comparison to hamas however, at first glance it really does seem like hamas really had no strategy other than self destruction and taking out as many others with them as possible. But then I thought about the tunnel system of the Viet Cong and how effective that was in bogging down their adversaries during Vietnam. From reading, it seemed the most effective way of clearing the VC tunnel system was by doing it the hard way of sending soldiers down in them. I wonder if hamas was confident in a similar reaction from Israel given the reality we live in now of every move made by a sovereign country is now easily in view of the entire world. I believe hamas did not expect fully the response that came. Further, any “over arching idea of benevolence” may win the information war undoubtedly, but will result in much higher casualties on Israeli side. My opinions are not qualified, just ruminating in the comments with everyone else.
To add, I did not want to believe the things that happened on October 7 so I stopped reading accounts from Israeli based press on a few stories that caught my attention, I started going through press releases from surrounding countries and their news agencies.
I’m not a battle hardened man and I must say that I thought here in 2023 we collectively, as denizens of this planet were moving past such barbaric acts of brutality on the general population. Several times for the few days after reading these stories, I have found myself forgetting what I was doing at work or home just trying to wrap my brain around shit.
hamas must be completely
e/v/iscer/ rated from all of Palestinian life down to the last limp chico de paja and last bit of doctrine / manifesto burned. For the children who die on BOTH sides, shame to all who start their diatribe with “yeah, but..” 🖕
Truly incredible, mature work
This was very unbiased thanks jocko
Great discussion
Darryl has such a great podcast voice
Praise God, I see this as a great nuanced discussion and exploration of a very difficult situation
darryl strikes me as part of “the mob” that jocko describes, but jocko strikes me as the leader who’d pull him back to the center .
They are ignoring the religious component of this situation. Israel wasn’t founded by random Europeans looking to expand an empire. It was by Jews in countries that they were a minority and generally treated badly. The fact that it is a Jewish state is why the Arab world finds 1948 so “humiliating” and that Palestinian refugees aren’t expected to move on or settle in a different country. Most other conflicts mentioned don’t contain such a central religious aspect.
45% of Israelis are secular atheists. 21% are non-observant believers. This is from a 2022 Pew poll.
Being a Jew is ethnic heritage and/OR religion. The OR part is important.
As a Jewish newspaper once wrote, “Israel’s religion is not Judaism. It’s the Holocaust.”
BTW, Israel has no state sponsored religion.
Palestinians are 97% Muslim. Their ‘Basic Law’ says Islam is the official religion.
Nothing that you've described here is remotely religious
59:36 my reaction precisely to anything related to this conflict.
Great great great video on the matter. Much needed. Thank you.
“They are winning the information campaign “
I don’t want to agree with this but have to. It truly is crazy
Great education and context … outstanding job guys
When you say you truly believe in justice, It becomes very problematic when the side you whole heartedly support is ultimately on the wrong side of justice.
With all due respect guys, you would NEVER speak about the United States with the scrutiny and criticism that you give Israel. Jocko, you’re entire career is built upon the foundation of the “war crimes” of the invasion of Iraq. Would you call yourself a horrible terrorist? This guest you have slobbers on the knob of bad faith Islamic jihadists wayyyyy too much. You recognized the evil you eliminated in Iraq and that’s how you’re able to sleep at night. Don’t treat Israel like they are uniquely evil in the West’s attempt to keep evil at bay. Do better.
Sir. It is very clear we are tuned in to your rational and knowledgeable word. Please advise on recent events, with more frequency.
I think the question to ask at this point in our history, not as a nation but as human-kind, is will this ever end unless there is complete destruction of one side/team or the other? Maybe war/greed/conflict really is our nature, I just don’t see there ever being world peace.
I think it is impossible to accurately discuss this conflict without understanding the spiritual nature of the Land, the People, the Promise and the Future
I agree with him partially. People leave out though that the Ottoman Empire constantly invaded and conquered that land while Israelis lived there for thousands of years. It is the same concept as the United States giving Indian reservations to native americans.
Good point… even though the reservations have been an abject failure in both the US and Australia, the only two countries I know to have used them. While harsh, history seems to clearly say that conquered peoples should be integrated into a society or removed from it. The middle ground just doesn’t work (separate lands with separate laws, citizen or not citizen.. and how that conflicts with separate lands or not… the keeping alive of old grievances, even if justified, etc).
Those guys are Eastern European they are not the original jews who existed in palestine before
Never Forgive,
Never Forget,
Expect Us
yes we will never forgive
we will never forget
expect US
jizyah islam sword
your choice
@@respond2meifudaremaking threats on Google?
@@respond2meifudare- I don’t blame you for your view. What I ask is, “How is what you say any different than the Jews who say the Romans took their land… forcing Jews to seek refuge in other nations for millennia…with the Palestinians living on stolen land?”
@@BruceWing jeezus dude do you even know what your saying 🤦🏻♂️
@@respond2meifudare - Yes.