I'm still on my 1st plane - UMX TimberX- and I love it. It's basically all Foam2Foam and HD packing tape by now. But it's just so much fun. Can't wait to graduate to one of these bad boys. Great video! Thanks so much. Hopefully I see you guys next time I'm in Hanger18 in Cary 👍
The Umx tte is such a boring plane for me. Absolutely not capable of any 3d due to the extremely low control authority and super slllooowww roll rate. It seems like the larger version doesn’t suffer the same issue.
@@johnd9357 Dang, sorry you feel that way. I still love mine and rolls great with 100% rates. But I don't think the main goal of the umx tte is to 3d, I think it's to STOL in a very small package.
Very good comparison. Being new into the hobby I'm not really sure which one I would pick over the other first. As you demonstrated they both have their pros and cons like anything else. Jon, I wanted to tell you that I think it's awesome how at the end you give encouragement, and the old rule of the thumb is, practice makes perfect.
Everyone can do what we do, all it takes is time and practice - and a willingness to accept the potential of failing. Learning comes from making mistakes.
(TTE) The alaron and flap control arms are completely different stock from factory. Also ESC is moved forward and lot of lead from batt to ESC and from ESC to engine and I beleive the landing spings have been improved as others I've seen on vids look like they are stretched compared to mine as in they flex very easy. Looks like there have been more improvements after first release. Got mine 6 months ago.
Nice side by side comparison! So I recently changed out the prop on my TTE to a 13x4 from a timberX (i think thats what they come on). Makes a lot more noise! Is this something you have noticed? What brand 13x4 you are using? Keep up the vids, love watching your stuff.
Hey Jonathan, now that you have both of these models, do you think the better gear system on the twin Timber can be used and swapped over to the Timber Evolution without much modification?
It can't. HH has mentioned this before and we've tested it ourselves. It doesn't fit correctly. You might be able to shim it or something but it's definitely not easily done.
I'm just gonna go ahead and put you in the professional category. You are one hell of a pilot hard to beat. Where can I get the information on how to do? All the different flap like crow and all those other flat tricks that you do I can't find the recipes anywhere.
I thoroughly enjoy both planes personally and the TTE will always hava a special place in the hangar as I essentially learned to fly with the TTE and the old trusty nx8. Have since upgraded to the ix20 and after unlocking the rx and following Jons max settings video I have pushed that airframe to the limits amd even beyond my abilities (stick mashing) and shes taken it all with a smile. The twin is definitely fun with the stol capabilities and I just had a thought...cant the timber x wing be put on the TTE? I know the connectors inside would need to be disconnected from the rx to properly attach the wing BUT...surely it can be done? Regardless, GREAT job by camera crew, shes the real MVP here 😅
You can definitely toss the Timber X wings on it. We actually did that recently. The bigger wings fly better though - it's less squirrelly in the sky and tracks better overall.
Have the servos in the TTE since been upgraded to the same spec as the TT? I know there was an update summer 2024 but not sure if that included the servos
Yeah I play Doom eternal on nightmare 😎 don't mind my insane toy plane skills, I've been image training in my mind while doing touch of death combos in the greatest fighting game known to man "Undernight In-birth: Exe-Late[Cl-r]" you could be as amazeballs as me if only you too were a pro gamer doing 360 no scopes in games that aren't even first person shooters
Is there a 2 blade 11" or even 12" prop that would work as well as the 13x4 for the Evo? I'd like a little more scale look and I'm more worried about prop strikes when using a 13x4 wood prop. I was thinking an 11x4.5 or 12x5 maybe.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks, why not use a wood prop? Also, when moving pushrods to inner location (control surface end) for rudder and elevator, will I need to adjust gains or anything else for safe/as3x to work fine? I don't need safe but it's nice to have it as a panic switch.
Because if you do prop strike (which isn't hard with a 13" prop on a Timber) you're out the cost of a wood prop and need to get another one. Plastic/APC props are better suited to this style of plane. Far less expensive, far more resilient. Gains should always be adjusted after changing throw. Join up on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and ask in the tech-and-setup channel!
That’s a very interesting video about these both rc planes. I am kinda interested in the Twin Timber. I already have the German Multiplex Funcub and the Easyglider. Both are great planes, but the Funcub has some issues. Because the landing gear on the Funcub is just a wire and bends easily when landing rougher. And if you crash in a corn field you could break off the rear of the plane which happened to mine. Because the Funcub has two servos installed in the rear which weakens the structure there. But it flys awesome and can do artistic moves as well. Do you fly the Twin Timber with the forewings? I read in a German Rc magazine, that it has forewings.
Slats (the fore-wing you're referring to) are covered here: th-cam.com/video/bBV80gJREac/w-d-xo.html The FunCub is neat if you're looking for something that's light. There's more to model aviation than how light an airframe is, though.
This is a great comparison video Jon!! So many highlights to touch on. The main one, I know that you wouldn't hit her, but between you telling your wife not to worry and her reaction was funny. Is there a difference in the gear of TTE and the NTX?? I thought they improved TTE gear. Anyway, what I was thinking about doing is purchasing The TTE fuselage+ and making a NTTX. My NTX is new in box 1yr old. I just want a top loader. MW n ELE are easy swap. Your thoughts would be welcome. AirHammer out!!
The TTE and TX both have the same gear springs, but the TTE uses wider gear struts and a better gear mount in the fuselage that spreads the impact forces out much more. You could make the Timber Evo fuselage into a Timber X, just change out the wings and rearrange some wiring.
Thanks for the reviews - just ordered me a Twimber! (first 1000mm+ plane) I'm nearby, would love to hang out/watch you fly (beginner here) - could shoot B-roll if interested.
Another great vid Jon. Quick question, I have a TTE but I have the common problem of the ESC overheating. There are several ideas in the forums and chsts to help this. One thing I have heard is that switching to a 13x4 prop like yours drops the temps. Have you seen this with yours?
@@TwoBrosRC Awesome thanks for that info and thanks for all the great reviews and videos. They are so helpful both in learning more about flying and the hobby and deciding which planes to buy.
Ey guys, love your work! I was wondering; are you using differential thrust? and if so, could that be why it won't knife-edge decently? best regards from Holland!
I'm not biting on the Twimber. Seems top heavy and difficult to land smoothly...that gear better be tough! The TT Evo is such a well balanced plane. My only complaint was the gear springs, but that was improved once I removed the coil restrictors woven inside the active coils. Since then I haven't damaged any springs.
Hello, what's your solutions for snapflaps. Did you change the receiver to have more connections? And, your solution yo have the Turbo Timber Evo so agile? Thanks for your replies. Jean-Paul MAILLARD
Snap flaps are a mix of elevator to flap, wherein pulling the elevator causes flaps to drop fully. It produces an instant pitch moment that's very strong. No modifications are needed. Our Timber is set up via this link: th-cam.com/video/EGd33bufNGU/w-d-xo.html
We've heard rumblings that there will be a potential of a gear spring upgrade you can buy for the TTE that'll put it in the same league as Twinber, but we can't say anything else than that even if we did know.
Do you have a list or video with your radio setup? I own one and now that im comfortable id like to open it up. Im still new so any help would be awesome
I just got the turbo evolution and listened to your recommendation, ill have my first flight with it today and come back and let you know how it is, going to get a cpl smc packs when back in stock, should I get a 4s 50c or 4s 30c for this plane temporarily till my smc packs come
@@TwoBrosRC ok awesome my local place has the 30c in stock but not the 50c, I have a bunch of 3s but wanted a 4s till I can get the smc packs, I'm ordering those after seeing your video flying those
@@TwoBrosRC Holy cow, talk about a graceful flyer, I took it over to my parents caise they have alot of land and the first thing my mother said was wow that flies great and smooth....I need to figure out which wires to cut to get crow now, I know your big on crow so I really wanna try it
I have use the TT Evo for a year now. Great plane. But the landing springs are the weak points. Has anyone tried using the Twimber landing springs on the TT Evo? Changing nothing else, just the springs? Is it possible at all? Thanks. =))
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for replying. The Falcon landing shocks are 60$. The Twimber springs are 6$... I will give a try to the Twimber springs whenever they come out of backorder... =))
A332 servos, but they're an upgraded variant that sound and move completely different than the original A332s. They're much more powerful and significantly faster than they used to be.
Better yet. Twin timber turned single engine to help with wing loading. I fly TTE almost every day and love it. I'm smitten of that big Hershey Bar wing.
I'm still on my 1st plane - UMX TimberX- and I love it. It's basically all Foam2Foam and HD packing tape by now. But it's just so much fun. Can't wait to graduate to one of these bad boys. Great video! Thanks so much. Hopefully I see you guys next time I'm in Hanger18 in Cary 👍
I have the umx timber x as a first plane and I agree and it’s very easy to take to the field because it’s the umx variant
What a gorgeous sky for flying!
Love my Timber. Great with floats as well!
Great comparison video, really fun to watch and learn. Shout out to the camera crew. Awesome job, never lost you once.
Tootsie Roll lol 😆 Just Ordered a PNP Twin Timber, so excited…!
these vs vids are so cool man thx
For me I like the Turbo timber evo great video great flying too and camera crew👍
Maiden'd my UMX TTE last night and man that thing does NOT fly like a UMX plane. Dad loves his TT as well. Great planes
put a umx voodoo prop on it. Its faster and sounds cool
The Umx tte is such a boring plane for me. Absolutely not capable of any 3d due to the extremely low control authority and super slllooowww roll rate. It seems like the larger version doesn’t suffer the same issue.
@@johnd9357 Dang, sorry you feel that way. I still love mine and rolls great with 100% rates. But I don't think the main goal of the umx tte is to 3d, I think it's to STOL in a very small package.
Very good comparison. Being new into the hobby I'm not really sure which one I would pick over the other first. As you demonstrated they both have their pros and cons like anything else. Jon, I wanted to tell you that I think it's awesome how at the end you give encouragement, and the old rule of the thumb is, practice makes perfect.
Everyone can do what we do, all it takes is time and practice - and a willingness to accept the potential of failing. Learning comes from making mistakes.
Compare on floats. The Twin is a lot of fun!
(TTE) The alaron and flap control arms are completely different stock from factory. Also ESC is moved forward and lot of lead from batt to ESC and from ESC to engine and I beleive the landing spings have been improved as others I've seen on vids look like they are stretched compared to mine as in they flex very easy. Looks like there have been more improvements after first release. Got mine 6 months ago.
Timbers in general are great planes.
Or are these all your own recipes, thanks, great video?
Recipes?
Nice side by side comparison! So I recently changed out the prop on my TTE to a 13x4 from a timberX (i think thats what they come on). Makes a lot more noise! Is this something you have noticed? What brand 13x4 you are using? Keep up the vids, love watching your stuff.
We're using the 13x4 Timber X propeller which is a little noisier than the stock 11x7: bit.ly/3VCda7p
You gotta use the timber x spinner with that prop correct?
Great comparison Jon!!
Hey Jonathan, now that you have both of these models, do you think the better gear system on the twin Timber can be used and swapped over to the Timber Evolution without much modification?
It can't. HH has mentioned this before and we've tested it ourselves. It doesn't fit correctly. You might be able to shim it or something but it's definitely not easily done.
Would this make a good beginners plane?
Which?
@@TwoBrosRC Turbo Timer?
I'm just gonna go ahead and put you in the professional category. You are one hell of a pilot hard to beat. Where can I get the information on how to do? All the different flap like crow and all those other flat tricks that you do I can't find the recipes anywhere.
All the mixing information is in the maiden video for the Twin Timber: th-cam.com/video/bBV80gJREac/w-d-xo.html
I thoroughly enjoy both planes personally and the TTE will always hava a special place in the hangar as I essentially learned to fly with the TTE and the old trusty nx8. Have since upgraded to the ix20 and after unlocking the rx and following Jons max settings video I have pushed that airframe to the limits amd even beyond my abilities (stick mashing) and shes taken it all with a smile. The twin is definitely fun with the stol capabilities and I just had a thought...cant the timber x wing be put on the TTE? I know the connectors inside would need to be disconnected from the rx to properly attach the wing BUT...surely it can be done? Regardless, GREAT job by camera crew, shes the real MVP here 😅
You can definitely toss the Timber X wings on it. We actually did that recently. The bigger wings fly better though - it's less squirrelly in the sky and tracks better overall.
🥵 cant wait any more
Have the servos in the TTE since been upgraded to the same spec as the TT? I know there was an update summer 2024 but not sure if that included the servos
No idea, we don't have an updated TTE yet. But most likely considering a new version of it dropped recently.
great video what rates are on the tte
100% with 150 travel
@@TwoBrosRC 0n bnf rec?
Umx tte is to fun
👀
Yeah I play Doom eternal on nightmare 😎 don't mind my insane toy plane skills, I've been image training in my mind while doing touch of death combos in the greatest fighting game known to man "Undernight In-birth: Exe-Late[Cl-r]" you could be as amazeballs as me if only you too were a pro gamer doing 360 no scopes in games that aren't even first person shooters
This but unironically.
Is there a 2 blade 11" or even 12" prop that would work as well as the 13x4 for the Evo? I'd like a little more scale look and I'm more worried about prop strikes when using a 13x4 wood prop. I was thinking an 11x4.5 or 12x5 maybe.
Don't use a wood prop. The 13x4 Timber X propeller is the choice setup: alnk.to/bPdCmB9
Pair it with the Timber spinner: alnk.to/44WhcI7
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks, why not use a wood prop? Also, when moving pushrods to inner location (control surface end) for rudder and elevator, will I need to adjust gains or anything else for safe/as3x to work fine? I don't need safe but it's nice to have it as a panic switch.
Because if you do prop strike (which isn't hard with a 13" prop on a Timber) you're out the cost of a wood prop and need to get another one. Plastic/APC props are better suited to this style of plane. Far less expensive, far more resilient.
Gains should always be adjusted after changing throw. Join up on Discord via bit.ly/TBRCDiscord and ask in the tech-and-setup channel!
That’s a very interesting video about these both rc planes. I am kinda interested in the Twin Timber.
I already have the German Multiplex Funcub and the Easyglider. Both are great planes, but the Funcub has some issues.
Because the landing gear on the Funcub is just a wire and bends easily when landing rougher. And if you crash in a corn field you could break off the rear of the plane which happened to mine. Because the Funcub has two servos installed in the rear which weakens the structure there.
But it flys awesome and can do artistic moves as well.
Do you fly the Twin Timber with the forewings? I read in a German Rc magazine, that it has forewings.
Slats (the fore-wing you're referring to) are covered here: th-cam.com/video/bBV80gJREac/w-d-xo.html
The FunCub is neat if you're looking for something that's light. There's more to model aviation than how light an airframe is, though.
Twinber!!!!!!
This is a great comparison video Jon!! So many highlights to touch on. The main one, I know that you wouldn't hit her, but between you telling your wife not to worry and her reaction was funny. Is there a difference in the gear of TTE and the NTX?? I thought they improved TTE gear. Anyway, what I was thinking about doing is purchasing The TTE fuselage+ and making a NTTX. My NTX is new in box 1yr old. I just want a top loader. MW n ELE are easy swap. Your thoughts would be welcome. AirHammer out!!
The TTE and TX both have the same gear springs, but the TTE uses wider gear struts and a better gear mount in the fuselage that spreads the impact forces out much more. You could make the Timber Evo fuselage into a Timber X, just change out the wings and rearrange some wiring.
How about a Turbo Timber Evo Twin on a switch? Best of both worlds.
One thing i want to know… can the twin timber fly with one engine?😮😮
It would likely lead to severe yaw issues. You might be able to counter it with a lot of rudder, briefly.
@@TwoBrosRC ok
Thanks for the reviews - just ordered me a Twimber! (first 1000mm+ plane) I'm nearby, would love to hang out/watch you fly (beginner here) - could shoot B-roll if interested.
Nearby being where?
@@TwoBrosRC Apex
Its like the FT legacy on flight test
Another great vid Jon. Quick question, I have a TTE but I have the common problem of the ESC overheating. There are several ideas in the forums and chsts to help this. One thing I have heard is that switching to a 13x4 prop like yours drops the temps. Have you seen this with yours?
The 13x4 prevents overheating completely. We've never had an issue with it on that prop.
@@TwoBrosRC Awesome thanks for that info and thanks for all the great reviews and videos. They are so helpful both in learning more about flying and the hobby and deciding which planes to buy.
Ey guys, love your work!
I was wondering; are you using differential thrust? and if so, could that be why it won't knife-edge decently?
best regards from Holland!
Nope, differential thrust was completely disabled before we reviewed the model the first time.
@@TwoBrosRC Ah ok, Thnx!
How does the TTE compare to the Cirrus SR22T? Like the scale features of the SR22 but like the landing gear on the TTE.
TTE flies slower and is significantly more aerobatic than the Cirrus. It's significantly less scale though.
I'm not biting on the Twimber. Seems top heavy and difficult to land smoothly...that gear better be tough! The TT Evo is such a well balanced plane. My only complaint was the gear springs, but that was improved once I removed the coil restrictors woven inside the active coils. Since then I haven't damaged any springs.
Probably sold out... Where to buy?
Links are in the description.
I got the evolution now I need to get the other one
Hello, what's your solutions for snapflaps.
Did you change the receiver to have more connections?
And, your solution yo have the Turbo Timber Evo so agile?
Thanks for your replies.
Jean-Paul MAILLARD
Snap flaps are a mix of elevator to flap, wherein pulling the elevator causes flaps to drop fully. It produces an instant pitch moment that's very strong. No modifications are needed.
Our Timber is set up via this link: th-cam.com/video/EGd33bufNGU/w-d-xo.html
is it possible to take the wing from the twin timber and the fuselage from the Evo to make tri timber
Possibly.
What do you think would be better for a friend who already has mastered the aeroscout and looking for a second plane the twiber or timber evo?
The Twin Timber is a good choice to move up to.
Could I upgrade my twinber with 2 blade props? If so what size would you recommend trying? I'm wanting more torque
You probably could, but you'd need a new spinner for it. You'd want 11x8 or 11x9 props.
cool
I am wanting to buy the TTE. I know it's a year old. Is Horizon coming out with a new TTE?
We've heard rumblings that there will be a potential of a gear spring upgrade you can buy for the TTE that'll put it in the same league as Twinber, but we can't say anything else than that even if we did know.
Do you have a list or video with your radio setup? I own one and now that im comfortable id like to open it up. Im still new so any help would be awesome
Radio setup for which?
@@TwoBrosRC tte. I found it though
@@TwoBrosRC im using a dx6 but was looking for control rates, expo percentages, etc
I just got the turbo evolution and listened to your recommendation, ill have my first flight with it today and come back and let you know how it is, going to get a cpl smc packs when back in stock, should I get a 4s 50c or 4s 30c for this plane temporarily till my smc packs come
I just didn't know if you noticed much thrust difference from 30c to 50c
You won't notice any difference between 50 or 30c with a Turbo Timber. It doesn't draw enough current for most batteries to struggle with.
@@TwoBrosRC ok awesome my local place has the 30c in stock but not the 50c, I have a bunch of 3s but wanted a 4s till I can get the smc packs, I'm ordering those after seeing your video flying those
@@TwoBrosRC Holy cow, talk about a graceful flyer, I took it over to my parents caise they have alot of land and the first thing my mother said was wow that flies great and smooth....I need to figure out which wires to cut to get crow now, I know your big on crow so I really wanna try it
@@nichollsboy11 th-cam.com/video/EGd33bufNGU/w-d-xo.html covers it. Further info is in the comments.
I have use the TT Evo for a year now. Great plane. But the landing springs are the weak points.
Has anyone tried using the Twimber landing springs on the TT Evo? Changing nothing else, just the springs? Is it possible at all?
Thanks. =))
It works, but the Twinber gear are designed to carry a heavier aircraft. You're better off with the Falcon set.
@@TwoBrosRC Thanks for replying.
The Falcon landing shocks are 60$.
The Twimber springs are 6$... I will give a try to the Twimber springs whenever they come out of backorder... =))
What are the servos used for twimber?
A332 servos, but they're an upgraded variant that sound and move completely different than the original A332s. They're much more powerful and significantly faster than they used to be.
So, what's next from HH? The TMT (Tri-Motor Timber). 😊
Both are great but the Timber EVO is a better plane I think.
How long till somebody mods a tri timber?
We're looking forward to a quad Timber.
Better yet.
Twin timber turned single engine to help with wing loading.
I fly TTE almost every day and love it.
I'm smitten of that big Hershey Bar wing.
I eat feastables...
yeah, cuz everyone does harrier landings in non harriers. why dont u just fly copters? you aint very good at planes
You can troll harder than this. Step your game up.