I think my favorite thing about these reviews is that the reviewer is kind of one of us; not an xc racer, not some big name Enduro racer, or a downhill park guy. He's a trail guy that is well informed and pretty honest.
Hey thanks for the feedback! I consider myself an average Joe whose been lucky enough to throw a leg over an obscene number of bikes in the last few years.
@@bikersedge to be honest with you I’m struggling to decide whether I’m going to buy the Ranger for the transition spur. I know that you own the spur. I also think the spur is special but I like the geometry on the range are better. The question I have is I noticed that I’m very sensitive to weight on a bike. I know the Ranger is a little bit heavier than the spur by 1lb. My question is do you feel the extra weight on the bike? Also wanted to know if the spur feels like it has more in the back as the numbers would suggest. I know you’re busy, but I hope to get your reply, because I value your opinion very much.
@@ParkflyersRC You may have just asked the worst guy about the weight issue. I think weight is a very overemphasized issue with bikes. Geo and suspension design make a much bigger impact on how a bike rides to me than weight. A 30lb bike with good geo and a good suspension platform will climb much better than a 22lb bike with bad geo and inefficient suspension. As far as suspension feel on the Spur - it feels like it has 120. Doesn't feel deeper than the numbers.
I have both the Ranger and Rascal. For me.....the Ranger is much better on trails in Corner Canyon or most trails in Park City (Round Valley). The Rascal seems much better on trails in St George where there's a lot of chunk up and down. Thought I was going to get rid of the Ranger when I got the Rascal but like it way too much.
Any reviews coming up for the Rocky mountain element? I'm starting to look at short travel 29ers. It's always great to see someone around my size putting out good reviews.
@@frienduro24 I already have a sentinel for the harder trails or some rowdy runs. Hoping the element can fill the slot of long rides, some bikepacking, and mellower trails.
I have the 22' Element and just sold my Ripley AF. AF was set up with 2.6 tires, and felt more confident on the downhill, chunk. The Element has more traction but isn't as efficient as the AF. But the Element is a better climber in just about every situation, maybe due it's traction and its weight? (almost 5 pounds) It is also more agile and flowy than the AF on the downhills. But the longer wheelbase of the Element can feel odd, when on super steeps climbs. But that longer wheelbase keeps the nose on the ground better than the AF.
My buddy had one of these before swapping to a Spur. He had a size L and I'm 6'4" so it was too small for me to really be able to tell what it was like. It did pedal nice, I would really like to demo an XL just for fun. Always great reviews Connor, cheers!
Purchased a Ranger frame.Tried the Sid setup, it was lacking support (shock) and during multiple, continuous bumps at speed the fork wouldn't keep up. Switched to Pike 130 and the Push coil. Bike climbs great, downhills great (within reason but way more stable), better support for heavier riders. For the trails we ride it was a great combo and keeps true to it's ride intent. Sid XC, Pike/Push trail. It's a great platform just need to pick the right suspension for your trails
Thanks for the feedback. Considering this with a 130 Pike, that's good to know. Would love the coil but I'm a lighter rider. The Fox shock option might be a better fit over the SID Luxe for me since I'm more a trail rider than pure XC.
Wondering how the Ranger compares to Banshee Phantom V3. I've had my Phantom for couple of years now and love it but still wonder about competition in this down-country category 🤔
I was torn between the Ranger and the Spur. Your Spur review and many like it convinced me that was the way to go. Couldn't be happier with my choice and this review kind of proved to me that the Ranger would have been a little too oldskool in the geometry for the riding I enjoy. Lovely looking bike though, especially in that green colourway.
this bike reminds me a lot of the sb115.. more traditional geo but souped up suspension and components; personally I prefer "longer, lower, slacker" bikes in this category (e.g. RM element) but I see there's an audience for this type of bike, would kick ass on a long endurance mtb event
Great review… I have a Rascal and just got a Ranger… trying to decide which one to keep… will keep the Ranger if it climbs measurably better than the Rascal 🤷♂️
So, I'm 6'1, seems like some people go XL and some go L. You said you're 6'2 and went XL. Do you think being an inch shorter a Large would be appropriate and help with that feeling of reaching too far?
Tough call. It’s hard to say on fit. Ideally you’d at least get one for a spin around a parking lot. I personally wouldn’t want the wheelbase any shorter than it is.
That sweet spot you talk about it real. My Element seems to keep both the traction to the rear while maintaining the nose planted at the same time. Pretty cool bike, and enjoy it a lot! How does the Ranger compare to the Blur on the gnarly stuff, descents and climbs?
I have a RipmoAF and want a race XC bike. Narrowed it to the Exie and Ranger... what would you get and why? thanx (love ur vids... best reviews out there)
Hi, Thanx for great content as always! How would you compare climbing with Orbea Occam, especially when you say this bike feels like a trailbike on mellow trails? I know Occam has stock 140/140 f/r, but still.
Nice . How about Trek Top Fuel since down country cult is growing rapid ? I am currious how u feel Trek next to Ibis Ripley AF since both r alloy bikes. Hope u will get a Trek soon for review. Ty.
I’ve spent a grand total of 15 minutes on an element. Cant really say. Really quick impressions - the Element rides bigger and more stable. Didnt climb much on the element so i cant really make a comparison.
After i built up my ranger with 130 pike. My firebird29 hasn't seen dirt anymore. My local trails here in sacramento, the beefed up ranger is just perfect.. wonder f a tallboy would b a great complement for the bikes i got, or the rascal?! What do u think
Can you compare the Ranger to the SB115 for overall climbing efficiency and technical climbs? Is the SB115's extra weight noticeable in this regard? I'm trying to decide between these two.
Can you elaborate on the difference between the CB suspension vs a DW link on both the ups and downs. Have you had a chance to ride the CB link on one of their longer travel platforms? Thanks as always for the great reviews.
It’s tough to just compare suspension designs. The same design can feel radically different based on the individual bike it’s on. Pivot locations, lengths, shock size, bike geometry will all change how it feels. I’ve ridden the Rascal and the Rail. We have an old rascal review if you want to check that out.
There is almost no reason to compare with the Ripley which is really more of a shorter travel enduro bike due to it's geometry whereas this Ranger is a slightly more plush xc bike also due to geometry. Even my Epic Evo is slacker which makes it slightly more "down-country" than the Ranger in style.
I’ve got a question around sizing. I’m just under 6’ 1”, and am hearing (from Revel) and seeing that a L would probably be best for me. Is that accurate? I know you’re above 6’2” so the XL makes sense. Thoughts on sizing? My wingspan is tough too, my left arm doesn’t fully straighten due to a previous injury, but it can get down to 12-15°.
I make a point to not give out specific size advice over the internet. It’s a crapshoot without seeing someone on the bike. I’d suggest checking out our bike size advice video and then making your best educated decision from there.
nice review...i have the revel ranger and setup up really light 24.5 lbs...with fox suspension and maxxis rekons 2.4" front and back...it climbs really well..and feels stable on the decents...though i wouldnt try to get too rowdy with it going downhill...its a great bike...works extremely well for my trails....flowy blues and approachable blacks will gel well with the ranger...if you are sender...there are other options.......i found your feedback on the trance interesting...because i also own a 2021 trance X....it also climbs really well...but its more heavy duty...(i think you was referring to the regular non X trance).....lastly...i think some of the trails you ride to review bikes will always make you speak less of small travel bikes, tighter fit bikes....would love a follow up review on the ranger with other trails involved....or reviews that match bikes to intended trail useage....love your channel and the tone you have...stay healthy.
The trails I rode for this video are very typical XC terrain. They are easy blues and greens and suit the bike very well. Thats why I chose them. While I only film on one trail for the most part I make sure to ride a wide variety of trails to get a good feel for the bike.
I have a 2022 Ranger Eagle GX build. Would you mind telling me what you would swap out to get the weight down without touching the suspension? Mine weighs 28 lbs. Thanks
@@paulv8453 here is my build for 24.5 lbs: Revel Ranger Medium Frame Coal Gray with fox factory shock, Fox 34 Step Cast Factory 120mm, SRAM XX1 carbon crank 170mm, SRAM XO1 chain, SRAM XO1 cassette PG-1295 10-52t, SRAM GX Deraileur, SRAM GX Shifter, OneUP Carbon Bar 780mm, Ergon GE1 Evo Factory Grip, OneUP Droper Post remote V2, SRAM G2 Ultimate Brakes, Maxxis Rekon 2.4" Front and Back 3C/EXO/TR, Roval Control SL 29mm DT180 hubs, WTB Volt Titanium Saddle Medium, SRAM Centerline X 180mm rotor TI bolts Front, SRAM Centerline X 160mm rotor TI bolts Back, KS LEV CI carbon 31.6 x 150 Dropper Post, SRAM threaded DUB 73mm BSA bottom bracket, Raceface Turbine R 35mm Stem 40mm length, SRAM 20mm post mount with Rainbow bolts (fork rotor), Tubeless Fluid 4oz (3oz each tire)
Ah got it. I don’t think the ranger is the best XC specific bike. To me it’s more of a trail bike. That does make it more versatile but it’s not the bike I’d pick for traditional XC riding.
I don’t know if you rode the Izzo, but it’s identical (for me at least) to the Tallboy and I want something less aggressive, hence I fought about the Ranger. What’s your take?
That’s a tough one. I would have to say the Trance feels a bit quicker on the pedals although it lacks some traction when compared to the Ranger. Downhill I’d say they’re fairly similar. The Ranger might have a bit softer feeling suspension but the Trance felt a bit more confident to me.
I haven’t ridden the alloy Trance 29 but frame material is such a tiny difference in how a bike rides. The Trance is more XC and the Ripley is more trail.
What...does....it....weigh? I may have missed it, and it's easy to look up, but first thing I want to know in a review like this, when we're talking about 'making climbing fun again' is what the complete bike weighs, and what the wheels and tires that are on it weigh. Climbing feel and performance are going to be affected tremendously by overall weight and wheel/tire weight. ESpecially if you're a rider who pedals to the top, spending an hour or more climbing before descending.
I have a personal vendetta against weight weenieism. I don’t weigh my bikes. I do my fair share of climbing and weight isn’t the biggest factor when it comes to climbing- unless you’re racing competitively.
@@bikersedge You went straight to it with "weight weenieism" Haha. I couldn't disagree more. Yes, there's room in my head for anyone who doesn't care about what their bike weighs, that's fine, but I think it really does matter. You don't have to be a competitive racer to reap huge benefits from light wheels and light-er than box stock components. Picture this, favorite loop of ours here in EUG, OR area is a 26mi loop with 6k' of climbing. A 35lb stock trail bike with alloy wheels and 1200g tires is going to be a very different experience than the 26lb Ranger with carbon wheels that you're reviewing here. It matters. I like your reviews, but I would respectfully suggest that if you're really trying to review a bike and provide as much helpful info as possible, weight is one the first things I want to know, respectfully--Digging in on this because with "Making climbing fun again"as the title of your review, weight does make a difference for anyone.
@@h20s8804 I guess what I’m trying to say is bike weight is blown way out of proportion especially relative to suspension and geo. A 24lb bike can still climb like trash if the suspension and geo suck. On the other hand, a 32lb bike can climb really well if the suspension is efficient, there’s plenty of traction and the geometry is right. I agree weight can make a difference for sure. Just think it’s not as important as most people make it.
@@bikersedge Agree--weight's not going to be the main focus, the first item with every bike reviewed. Bikes in this category, tho, I think it is more important obviously than say a bike that is more suited to parks or shuttling. Looking into the comments you'll see riders talking about similar bikes, Spur, Rocky Mt. Element etc. Weight's definitely in the conversation with these models.
hi...the weights i have seen range from 24.5 lbs to 27.5.......i got my ranger at 24ish lbs (size medium with fox sus)...im not really a weight weenie (i think..lol) i have an enduro-ish bike at 34 lbs...but wow.. when i take the ranger out...its super fun...very quick to your input....bike climbs great...the weight helps me pound the miles....my other bike a giant trance x....climbs great also...but will tire you out faster obviously due to weight.
I ride a yeti sb130 which is nearly the equivalent to the current Stumpjumper and it is a bit of a pig on big 30-40-50 miles days when you don't really need what it is. To me this makes it not the "1 bike" unless all you do is climb for the descents, then it's perfect. The Ripley or a slacker bike than the Ranger or sb115 like an Epic EVO with 66.5 head angle and 110/120 are both more appropriate "single bike" choices. The eVo for people who don't get into quite as many black tech trails or the Ripley if skill is low or truly pushing into black and double blacks with skills. I've been testing my new Specialized Epic Evo on trails most people suit up for and ride for Enduro races here in the PNW. Of course my sb130/150 does them with more ease but I am amazed at how far the Evo can get into it with focus. The Ripley is what's intriguing me to slot right between these two bikes and possibly become the "road trip" bike if set up with a 130 Pike.
@@bikersedge Been riding too many enduro bikes lately. Put it up against a Supercaliber or Lux and you'll see it's not a XC bike. Frame is far too heavy, geo too tame, suspension too soft. No elite racer is podium;ing on this bike. Some beefier tires is one step away from this being the perfect light trail bike.
@@johnr5001 you could be right about the enduro bike thing. I still have a really hard time putting this bike in the same category as a Tallboy, Ripley, Spur… it’s an outlier I guess.
I never quite understand people who don't like to climb. Sure there are XC buffs that love it but even for the average trail rider it gives you that exhausted ride experience only climbing can do. I didn't like e-biking because it deleted all the hard work out of my ride and I'd come home not having relieved the stress of the day. To me riding without climbing is unrewarding... Unless it is at a bike park but that's a totally different story.
Personally I don’t enjoy climbing. It’s not something that is rewarding at all to me. I don’t ride bikes for the workout. I ride them solely for the fun factor. I get my exercise in the gym. Different strokes for different folks.
@@bikersedge The Trek Supercaliber and the Specialized Epic are XC bikes. The Ranger is no XC bike. It might have XC geo but otherwise, the Ranger is much closer to being a Downcountry bike than an XC bike.
This is almost the same geo as my 2013 Stumpjumper Elite 29, but I have 130/130 travel. All of a sudden this Geo is "fun" again? Must be a new shift coming in the industry. Next year, HTAs will be 70 degrees and STAs will be back to 70 degrees. Lol. The industry has to push FOMO and gotta have. Who would have guessed LLS bikes aren't best for most trails in the USA?
@@bikersedge I live in OH. That's the difference. I would feel different, if I lived in paradise, like you. Lots of climbs for short techy descents where I live. I ride mostly ungroomed natural hiking trails, so you need a lot more trials skills than confidence at high speeds. The trails just don't demand it. I definitely understood what you meant when saying it feels like a dirt jumper after being on big rigs. My trails demand a light bike that is nimble. The shorter wheelbase is noticeable in tighter slow speed riding, as you noted.
@@petedog9581 yeah we are pretty lucky with our terrain out here. Lots of long and rough descents. We have our fair share of XC terrain too. Thats why you just have to have a few bikes.
@@bikersedge Lol @ $5K plus? They are putting motors on mtbs now. I can see the logic to avoid shuttle costs, but it is getting crazy. What is next Esurf boards? Not trying to be a bogart but skill is everything. The bike is merely a tool. I have demo'd newer geos and they just aren't better for what I do. I also ride a 2x10 carbon drivetrain. It gives me a better rage of gears for steep uphill tech, since I don't have a high engagement hub. You have great channel and I am on board.
I demoed one of these last fall and I just didn't love it and the build spec my local shop was offering on it was kinda atrocious. Ended up with the 22' Spark and I've been getting along with it pretty well its definitely more of a rocketship in the climbs and descends about on par with the ranger even though spur has slacker head angle. I might've would've ended up with a spur if the X01 version wasn't just a unicorn that doesn't actually exist in the wild..
I think my favorite thing about these reviews is that the reviewer is kind of one of us; not an xc racer, not some big name Enduro racer, or a downhill park guy. He's a trail guy that is well informed and pretty honest.
Hey thanks for the feedback! I consider myself an average Joe whose been lucky enough to throw a leg over an obscene number of bikes in the last few years.
These are the best reviews for MTB online. Soft spoken and 100% honest. Ty for doing this !
Hey thanks for the kind words!
@@bikersedge to be honest with you I’m struggling to decide whether I’m going to buy the Ranger for the transition spur. I know that you own the spur. I also think the spur is special but I like the geometry on the range are better.
The question I have is I noticed that I’m very sensitive to weight on a bike. I know the Ranger is a little bit heavier than the spur by 1lb. My question is do you feel the extra weight on the bike? Also wanted to know if the spur feels like it has more in the back as the numbers would suggest. I know you’re busy, but I hope to get your reply, because I value your opinion very much.
@@ParkflyersRC You may have just asked the worst guy about the weight issue. I think weight is a very overemphasized issue with bikes. Geo and suspension design make a much bigger impact on how a bike rides to me than weight. A 30lb bike with good geo and a good suspension platform will climb much better than a 22lb bike with bad geo and inefficient suspension.
As far as suspension feel on the Spur - it feels like it has 120. Doesn't feel deeper than the numbers.
Hands down best downcountry bike out there IMO. It climbs just as well as it descends. Handles amazingly well. Feel very confident in the saddle.
Did you need to size up ? Getting mixed opinions on this
You have the best review channel. Always good videos and what seem to be honest reviews.
Hey thanks! Glad you like the videos.
I have both the Ranger and Rascal. For me.....the Ranger is much better on trails in Corner Canyon or most trails in Park City (Round Valley). The Rascal seems much better on trails in St George where there's a lot of chunk up and down. Thought I was going to get rid of the Ranger when I got the Rascal but like it way too much.
Did you need to size up ? Getting mixed opinions on this
@Parkflyers RC no on the sizing up. I'm 5'7" and the M is perfect
Any reviews coming up for the Rocky mountain element? I'm starting to look at short travel 29ers. It's always great to see someone around my size putting out good reviews.
Still trying to get my hands on one. Its tough at the moment.
I got my Element back in Nov 2021. Lucky saw a frame on Jenson. Great bike, but it’s not a do it all bike. It’s XC with Enduro-ish Geometry.
@@frienduro24 I already have a sentinel for the harder trails or some rowdy runs. Hoping the element can fill the slot of long rides, some bikepacking, and mellower trails.
@@FuriousPacif1st It can handle a lot..almost a full trail bike. It pairs well with anything around 150mm rear
I have the 22' Element and just sold my Ripley AF. AF was set up with 2.6 tires, and felt more confident on the downhill, chunk. The Element has more traction but isn't as efficient as the AF. But the Element is a better climber in just about every situation, maybe due it's traction and its weight? (almost 5 pounds) It is also more agile and flowy than the AF on the downhills. But the longer wheelbase of the Element can feel odd, when on super steeps climbs. But that longer wheelbase keeps the nose on the ground better than the AF.
Your reviews are always so clean, nice work
I appreciate that!
My buddy had one of these before swapping to a Spur. He had a size L and I'm 6'4" so it was too small for me to really be able to tell what it was like. It did pedal nice, I would really like to demo an XL just for fun. Always great reviews Connor, cheers!
Purchased a Ranger frame.Tried the Sid setup, it was lacking support (shock) and during multiple, continuous bumps at speed the fork wouldn't keep up. Switched to Pike 130 and the Push coil. Bike climbs great, downhills great (within reason but way more stable), better support for heavier riders. For the trails we ride it was a great combo and keeps true to it's ride intent. Sid XC, Pike/Push trail. It's a great platform just need to pick the right suspension for your trails
Did you notice the weight add for the pike/coil on climbs?
@@twardo2224 Not at all.
About 1.3lbs
Thanks for the feedback. Considering this with a 130 Pike, that's good to know. Would love the coil but I'm a lighter rider. The Fox shock option might be a better fit over the SID Luxe for me since I'm more a trail rider than pure XC.
I'm glad I went with my Spur!
Prolly gonna pick up that new Rail 29 though.
All awesome choices.
Good seeing you guys for the moosehouse pre-season training laps! Thanks for the reviews.
You too. Glad you like them!
Wondering how the Ranger compares to Banshee Phantom V3. I've had my Phantom for couple of years now and love it but still wonder about competition in this down-country category 🤔
My favorite MTB channel by far.
Hey thanks!
I was torn between the Ranger and the Spur. Your Spur review and many like it convinced me that was the way to go. Couldn't be happier with my choice and this review kind of proved to me that the Ranger would have been a little too oldskool in the geometry for the riding I enjoy. Lovely looking bike though, especially in that green colourway.
The Spur is awesome. Such a fun one.
this bike reminds me a lot of the sb115.. more traditional geo but souped up suspension and components; personally I prefer "longer, lower, slacker" bikes in this category (e.g. RM element) but I see there's an audience for this type of bike, would kick ass on a long endurance mtb event
Great review as usual!
Hey thanks!
In my mind I always hated short-travel 29ers... Until I tried one. It was the most fun I've ever had. This bike is very very high on my short list.
They can be a ton of fun in the right terrain.
Great review… I have a Rascal and just got a Ranger… trying to decide which one to keep… will keep the Ranger if it climbs measurably better than the Rascal 🤷♂️
Oh it does. By a lot. But the Rascal goes downhill way better. Always trade offs.
So, I'm 6'1, seems like some people go XL and some go L. You said you're 6'2 and went XL. Do you think being an inch shorter a Large would be appropriate and help with that feeling of reaching too far?
Tough call. It’s hard to say on fit. Ideally you’d at least get one for a spin around a parking lot. I personally wouldn’t want the wheelbase any shorter than it is.
That sweet spot you talk about it real. My Element seems to keep both the traction to the rear while maintaining the nose planted at the same time. Pretty cool bike, and enjoy it a lot! How does the Ranger compare to the Blur on the gnarly stuff, descents and climbs?
Haven’t ridden a blur. Can’t really say.
I wish my Ripley had that green color
Such good paint on this one.
Hey have you tried the canyon neuron i think it’s the perfect balance like this bike between XC and trial
I have a RipmoAF and want a race XC bike. Narrowed it to the Exie and Ranger... what would you get and why? thanx (love ur vids... best reviews out there)
Hey thanks for the kind words. I think the Exie is lighter and faster. I’d go with that if I was strictly racing.
Hi, Thanx for great content as always!
How would you compare climbing with Orbea Occam, especially when you say this bike feels like a trailbike on mellow trails? I know Occam has stock 140/140 f/r, but still.
Hi, on your TRANCE review you mentioned it climbs better than the Ranger...looking for the trail or downcountry bike that will help me on climbs
The Trance would do the trick. I’d also look at the Element and Occam SL.
Nice . How about Trek Top Fuel since down country cult is growing rapid ?
I am currious how u feel Trek next to Ibis Ripley AF since both r alloy bikes.
Hope u will get a Trek soon for review.
Ty.
We don’t carry Trek. Wont be able to make it happen.
Great review! Out of interest, would you pick this or the Santa Cruz Blur TR?
This feels more “trail” than a blur and I quite a bit heavier. So it would depend on what I’m trying to do.
You should test the standard Stumpjumper. It's like the best combo of all those bikes you compared at the end.
We don’t carry specialized at the shop. Wont be able to make it happen.
I would love to see your review on the Rascal and the new 29in Rail , both bikes I have considered. But like always great video!!
We did one on the Rascal back when it came out. Its on the channel. Havent been able to get a rail.
Can you do a review on the sb-115 comparing it the the bikes you compared in this video?
We did the SB115 a while bike. I think it falls somewhere between this and a Tallboy.
Curious to see how this compares to the 2022 Rocky Mountain Element??
I’ve spent a grand total of 15 minutes on an element. Cant really say. Really quick impressions - the Element rides bigger and more stable. Didnt climb much on the element so i cant really make a comparison.
@@bikersedge Thx. The Element is rare bike ride snag right now.
It a great bike - climbs amazing
Makes climbing pretty fun.
After i built up my ranger with 130 pike. My firebird29 hasn't seen dirt anymore. My local trails here in sacramento, the beefed up ranger is just perfect.. wonder f a tallboy would b a great complement for the bikes i got, or the rascal?! What do u think
Sounds like you’ve already got it petty well covered between the Ranger and Firebird
@@bikersedge 1st world problem
@@ikharl328 Id pick up an SB130 to split the difference.
@@bikersedge great choice.. thank u
Can you compare the Ranger to the SB115 for overall climbing efficiency and technical climbs? Is the SB115's extra weight noticeable in this regard? I'm trying to decide between these two.
Ranger is a much better climber.
Can you elaborate on the difference between the CB suspension vs a DW link on both the ups and downs. Have you had a chance to ride the CB link on one of their longer travel platforms? Thanks as always for the great reviews.
It’s tough to just compare suspension designs. The same design can feel radically different based on the individual bike it’s on. Pivot locations, lengths, shock size, bike geometry will all change how it feels. I’ve ridden the Rascal and the Rail. We have an old rascal review if you want to check that out.
@@bikersedge fair, it seemed like from your review here the main difference between the exie and the ranger was geometry based.
@@MrPacobolo the suspension feels a bit different but the biggest factor is geo.
Curious how it compares to the Ibis Ripley since that’s what I’m currently riding?
Its much closer to the Exie than the Ripley
There is almost no reason to compare with the Ripley which is really more of a shorter travel enduro bike due to it's geometry whereas this Ranger is a slightly more plush xc bike also due to geometry. Even my Epic Evo is slacker which makes it slightly more "down-country" than the Ranger in style.
Reminds me of the transition smuggler
Provably closer to the Spur
I’ve got a question around sizing. I’m just under 6’ 1”, and am hearing (from Revel) and seeing that a L would probably be best for me. Is that accurate? I know you’re above 6’2” so the XL makes sense. Thoughts on sizing? My wingspan is tough too, my left arm doesn’t fully straighten due to a previous injury, but it can get down to 12-15°.
I make a point to not give out specific size advice over the internet. It’s a crapshoot without seeing someone on the bike. I’d suggest checking out our bike size advice video and then making your best educated decision from there.
Do you recall what frame bag that is? I’m building a Ranger and would love to ditch the hip pack.
Evoc frame bag
@@bikersedge thanks!
nice review...i have the revel ranger and setup up really light 24.5 lbs...with fox suspension and maxxis rekons 2.4" front and back...it climbs really well..and feels stable on the decents...though i wouldnt try to get too rowdy with it going downhill...its a great bike...works extremely well for my trails....flowy blues and approachable blacks will gel well with the ranger...if you are sender...there are other options.......i found your feedback on the trance interesting...because i also own a 2021 trance X....it also climbs really well...but its more heavy duty...(i think you was referring to the regular non X trance).....lastly...i think some of the trails you ride to review bikes will always make you speak less of small travel bikes, tighter fit bikes....would love a follow up review on the ranger with other trails involved....or reviews that match bikes to intended trail useage....love your channel and the tone you have...stay healthy.
The trails I rode for this video are very typical XC terrain. They are easy blues and greens and suit the bike very well. Thats why I chose them.
While I only film on one trail for the most part I make sure to ride a wide variety of trails to get a good feel for the bike.
I have a 2022 Ranger Eagle GX build. Would you mind telling me what you would swap out to get the weight down without touching the suspension? Mine weighs 28 lbs. Thanks
@@paulv8453 here is my build for 24.5 lbs: Revel Ranger Medium Frame Coal Gray with fox factory shock, Fox 34 Step Cast Factory 120mm, SRAM XX1 carbon crank 170mm, SRAM XO1 chain, SRAM XO1 cassette PG-1295 10-52t, SRAM GX Deraileur, SRAM GX Shifter, OneUP Carbon Bar 780mm, Ergon GE1 Evo Factory Grip, OneUP Droper Post remote V2, SRAM G2 Ultimate Brakes, Maxxis Rekon 2.4" Front and Back 3C/EXO/TR, Roval Control SL 29mm DT180 hubs, WTB Volt Titanium Saddle Medium, SRAM Centerline X 180mm rotor TI bolts Front, SRAM Centerline X 160mm rotor TI bolts Back, KS LEV CI carbon 31.6 x 150 Dropper Post, SRAM threaded DUB 73mm BSA bottom bracket, Raceface Turbine R 35mm Stem 40mm length, SRAM 20mm post mount with Rainbow bolts (fork rotor), Tubeless Fluid 4oz (3oz each tire)
Heya,
Do you think that the Ranger can be and all-XC bike as if the Epic 8 Evo is?
Not sure what all-XC means.
@ do it all ** sorry for the trouble.
Ah got it. I don’t think the ranger is the best XC specific bike. To me it’s more of a trail bike. That does make it more versatile but it’s not the bike I’d pick for traditional XC riding.
I don’t know if you rode the Izzo, but it’s identical (for me at least) to the Tallboy and I want something less aggressive, hence I fought about the Ranger. What’s your take?
I haven't ridden the Izzo. Couldn't say. Can't day how similar it is to the Tallboy, but I'd be surprised if they were identical out on the trail.
I'd like your opinion on Revel Ranger or new Giant Trance 29.
That’s a tough one. I would have to say the Trance feels a bit quicker on the pedals although it lacks some traction when compared to the Ranger. Downhill I’d say they’re fairly similar. The Ranger might have a bit softer feeling suspension but the Trance felt a bit more confident to me.
@@bikersedge Thanks for the response. One more question. Trance 29 aluminum vs Ibis Ripley AF?
I haven’t ridden the alloy Trance 29 but frame material is such a tiny difference in how a bike rides. The Trance is more XC and the Ripley is more trail.
What...does....it....weigh? I may have missed it, and it's easy to look up, but first thing I want to know in a review like this, when we're talking about 'making climbing fun again' is what the complete bike weighs, and what the wheels and tires that are on it weigh. Climbing feel and performance are going to be affected tremendously by overall weight and wheel/tire weight. ESpecially if you're a rider who pedals to the top, spending an hour or more climbing before descending.
I have a personal vendetta against weight weenieism. I don’t weigh my bikes. I do my fair share of climbing and weight isn’t the biggest factor when it comes to climbing- unless you’re racing competitively.
@@bikersedge You went straight to it with "weight weenieism" Haha. I couldn't disagree more. Yes, there's room in my head for anyone who doesn't care about what their bike weighs, that's fine, but I think it really does matter. You don't have to be a competitive racer to reap huge benefits from light wheels and light-er than box stock components. Picture this, favorite loop of ours here in EUG, OR area is a 26mi loop with 6k' of climbing. A 35lb stock trail bike with alloy wheels and 1200g tires is going to be a very different experience than the 26lb Ranger with carbon wheels that you're reviewing here. It matters. I like your reviews, but I would respectfully suggest that if you're really trying to review a bike and provide as much helpful info as possible, weight is one the first things I want to know, respectfully--Digging in on this because with "Making climbing fun again"as the title of your review, weight does make a difference for anyone.
@@h20s8804 I guess what I’m trying to say is bike weight is blown way out of proportion especially relative to suspension and geo. A 24lb bike can still climb like trash if the suspension and geo suck. On the other hand, a 32lb bike can climb really well if the suspension is efficient, there’s plenty of traction and the geometry is right. I agree weight can make a difference for sure. Just think it’s not as important as most people make it.
@@bikersedge Agree--weight's not going to be the main focus, the first item with every bike reviewed. Bikes in this category, tho, I think it is more important obviously than say a bike that is more suited to parks or shuttling. Looking into the comments you'll see riders talking about similar bikes, Spur, Rocky Mt. Element etc. Weight's definitely in the conversation with these models.
hi...the weights i have seen range from 24.5 lbs to 27.5.......i got my ranger at 24ish lbs (size medium with fox sus)...im not really a weight weenie (i think..lol) i have an enduro-ish bike at 34 lbs...but wow.. when i take the ranger out...its super fun...very quick to your input....bike climbs great...the weight helps me pound the miles....my other bike a giant trance x....climbs great also...but will tire you out faster obviously due to weight.
I can’t decide between a Ranger or a Ripley/Stumpy (non Evo). Looking for a 1 quiver MTB…..
Ripley is more well rounded than the Ranger.
I ride a yeti sb130 which is nearly the equivalent to the current Stumpjumper and it is a bit of a pig on big 30-40-50 miles days when you don't really need what it is. To me this makes it not the "1 bike" unless all you do is climb for the descents, then it's perfect. The Ripley or a slacker bike than the Ranger or sb115 like an Epic EVO with 66.5 head angle and 110/120 are both more appropriate "single bike" choices. The eVo for people who don't get into quite as many black tech trails or the Ripley if skill is low or truly pushing into black and double blacks with skills.
I've been testing my new Specialized Epic Evo on trails most people suit up for and ride for Enduro races here in the PNW. Of course my sb130/150 does them with more ease but I am amazed at how far the Evo can get into it with focus. The Ripley is what's intriguing me to slot right between these two bikes and possibly become the "road trip" bike if set up with a 130 Pike.
Hi, how would you compare the Ranger to the Yeti SB115?
Pretty similar. I think the Ranger is a bit more XC while the SB115 is a bit more trail.
looks beautiful. location?
Park city
What’s that frame bag? Thx!
Evoc
When’s the Anthem-on-Red-Bull review happening?
Whenever you’re ready to send it.
@@bikersedge it sounds like it’s time for an anthem battle. You got two laying around?
@@ColemanEdwardsPublicRelations please hold. Buying a life insurance policy now.
Everyone knows they have to size this bike up. The ranger is straight up a trail bike, anyone who says it can’t hang only has themselves to blame.
Put this against a Tallboy and you’ll quickly see it’s not a trail bike.
@@bikersedge Been riding too many enduro bikes lately. Put it up against a Supercaliber or Lux and you'll see it's not a XC bike. Frame is far too heavy, geo too tame, suspension too soft. No elite racer is podium;ing on this bike. Some beefier tires is one step away from this being the perfect light trail bike.
@@johnr5001 you could be right about the enduro bike thing. I still have a really hard time putting this bike in the same category as a Tallboy, Ripley, Spur… it’s an outlier I guess.
@@bikersedge 20 years ago we would have called this a "marathon" bike. Like a Rocky Mountain ETS-X.
@@johnr5001 Makes sense. I did true grit once. Id take this bike for it again.
Where are the trails shown in this video?
Round Valley in Park City. XC heaven.
@@bikersedge gorgeous!
Thank you for the review.. I am considering Ranger or Tallboy 4.. How do they compare?
I have a tough time putting them in the same category. For me, the TB is the epitome of a trail bike. The Ranger is much more XC.
@@bikersedge thank you.. It’s interesting and informative that you feel the two bikes so different.
@@grantwilliams2912 id guess most of the difference in ride feel comes down to the head tube angles.
What frame bag is that?
Evoc
How does it compare to the Yeti sb115
The 115 is much more trail than this.
I never quite understand people who don't like to climb. Sure there are XC buffs that love it but even for the average trail rider it gives you that exhausted ride experience only climbing can do. I didn't like e-biking because it deleted all the hard work out of my ride and I'd come home not having relieved the stress of the day. To me riding without climbing is unrewarding... Unless it is at a bike park but that's a totally different story.
Personally I don’t enjoy climbing. It’s not something that is rewarding at all to me. I don’t ride bikes for the workout. I ride them solely for the fun factor. I get my exercise in the gym. Different strokes for different folks.
Why did you get rid of your Spur?
I bought it as a broken neck recovery bike. I recovered so I bought a sentinel.
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The Ranger just isn't long and slack enough for me. I prefer a Downcountry bike to have geo closer to 76* STA and 65* HTA.
It’s not downcountry. Its an XC bike. The geo is good for that application.
@@bikersedge The Trek Supercaliber and the Specialized Epic are XC bikes. The Ranger is no XC bike. It might have XC geo but otherwise, the Ranger is much closer to being a Downcountry bike than an XC bike.
@@marksandoval5361 just having built one, I can agree with you 👍🏼
@@marksandoval5361 interesting...i think we should all drop the downcountry term....ranger is an xc bike...or light trail bike.. ;)
@@skinny8019 I believe in freedom of speech. I'll use whatever words I want and I'll support your right to use whatever words you want.
This is almost the same geo as my 2013 Stumpjumper Elite 29, but I have 130/130 travel. All of a sudden this Geo is "fun" again? Must be a new shift coming in the industry.
Next year, HTAs will be 70 degrees and STAs will be back to 70 degrees. Lol. The industry has to push FOMO and gotta have. Who would have guessed LLS bikes aren't best for most trails in the USA?
This bike is really fun on the climbs but I’ll take a long and slack bike on the descents all day.
@@bikersedge I live in OH. That's the difference. I would feel different, if I lived in paradise, like you. Lots of climbs for short techy descents where I live.
I ride mostly ungroomed natural hiking trails, so you need a lot more trials skills than confidence at high speeds. The trails just don't demand it. I definitely understood what you meant when saying it feels like a dirt jumper after being on big rigs. My trails demand a light bike that is nimble. The shorter wheelbase is noticeable in tighter slow speed riding, as you noted.
@@petedog9581 yeah we are pretty lucky with our terrain out here. Lots of long and rough descents. We have our fair share of XC terrain too. Thats why you just have to have a few bikes.
@@bikersedge Lol @ $5K plus? They are putting motors on mtbs now. I can see the logic to avoid shuttle costs, but it is getting crazy. What is next Esurf boards?
Not trying to be a bogart but skill is everything. The bike is merely a tool. I have demo'd newer geos and they just aren't better for what I do. I also ride a 2x10 carbon drivetrain. It gives me a better rage of gears for steep uphill tech, since I don't have a high engagement hub.
You have great channel and I am on board.
Thank you for a “normal guy” bike review without the hyperbole.
Hey thanks. Glad you liked it!
I demoed one of these last fall and I just didn't love it and the build spec my local shop was offering on it was kinda atrocious. Ended up with the 22' Spark and I've been getting along with it pretty well its definitely more of a rocketship in the climbs and descends about on par with the ranger even though spur has slacker head angle. I might've would've ended up with a spur if the X01 version wasn't just a unicorn that doesn't actually exist in the wild..
I was lucky enough to get my Spur before all the bikes were tough to find. Probably should have kept that thing around.
Eah. Not that cool of a bike for me.