As a Kenyan, I must say am ashamed and saddened by what my fellow people go through in life. In my lifetime I promise myself to do something and I will!
My friend you want to do something start by getting all the leaders presidents together and UNITE AFRICA AS ONE COUNTRY that's the only way Africa can be FREE, it's this how they want there kids, grandkids yet to be born great grandkids to live suffering like this when they leave this earth ALL THE LEADERS GOT TO COME TOGETHER this really hurt me to see how my black Brothers and sisters are living in the richest continent/country Africa is the second biggest continent on earth AFRICA IS THE RICHEST CONTINENT ON EARTH WITH THE POOREST RACE HOW SAD I LOVE MY BLACK PEOPLE
@@pietrojenkins6901 they are working hard and for what peanuts . I really should be grateful for what I earn as I'm blessed when it comes to making money . But not fair on them I will definitely be making a regular donation
The state of affairs in Kenya right now is pathetic! The government has really failed people. I am a health worker working in one of the slums , and the challenges that slum inhabitants go through,from waste segregation to lack of quality and accessible healthcare , it pains..
But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
Africa got too much presidents when it should be one, Africa with one president life much better, question how can AFRICA be FREE here's the answer one Africa with one president that's the only way Africa can be FREE
In years soo long same problem world 🌎 wide But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
I am a product of the dumpsite directly and indirectly, my mother worked here for so many years for me and asked me to study hard. Right now i have not climbed that ladder to where i want to be but am still here trying to make a difference in little ways that i can. This story is a reflection of so many of us who have been living around the dumpsite for a very long time. Good job.
Thats the way the system is designed to work all the way to the top. Nobody never know what proportion it could take. Stock market are great example of this
A political leader getting profits off of kickbacks?? It's the same everywhere, unfortunately. In the US, our gang heavyweights who are doing the damage is the GOP.
@@DavidSmith-sf4rl Yes, both parties in the US are guilty of doing it, but presently the GOP is leading the way. Perhaps, they're just more willing to be open about it??
Very generous of you. However, the truth is that government schools are free of charge. I would argue that just the hype of living in a city that is keeping this family in such a situation.
Tuition is free but there are always items that will be charged per term but not alot. I think the problem in this case is the mother isn't working. So even if he gets to school how will they eat and pay rent.
Sometimes the exposure of the realities in the world really breaks my perceptions of struggling. How very fortunate my problems are compared to others in a different part of the world. Beautifully documented. Thanks for sharing.
@@zuboy4272 everything is in plastic because plastic is dirt cheap. If companies had cared about the environment instead of profit there'd be way less trash
@@zuboy4272 why are you on the internet? You are using electricity that damages the environment. Plus, you could be better using your time saving the environment. And what about the computer or phone you use to watch this? What of all the pollution used to create it, just for your entertainment?
Wow! I never knew such things happen in Kenya. I'm not rich by any measure, but I can send 2 dollars daily to the mom and son if someone can give me their mpesa details. The boy needs to go to school ASAP!
Primary education is free here in Kenya, but since they are living in the outskirts of Nairobi, they have to pay some good amount of money to enroll in a public school that's why he isn't in school. To add on, secondary education is subsidised but such a family can't afford to send the kid to school. Corruption is high and s fear for the boys life and his mother as the cartels would punish him for granting that interview. Please, someone should help the boy.
In years soo long same problem world 🌎 wide But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
when you let Whyte guilt get to you over what recent primitives are capable of... smh she has Aides.. cauxasian medicine saves her... dont they recycle?? ooops... the non biblical have a problem, by their own hands... Billions spent per year. smh
Ritchie; I pray for your safety my brother. I pray for your mom. I hope you will be safe after this video and get the help you and your mother need. I see so much potential in you. You are smart and so brave. May you have a bright future. I hope there is a way to help you and your mother. I fear for your safety. Lots of love 💕
Damn. So rough to see things like this go on in the world. Really makes you appreciate your own conditions and not complain when you see how much more fortunate you are.
Africa as his best. It's sad we are still there while others are making progress. I guess they will keep in blaming Chinese and European from their greed and city management skills. Its everywhere in Africa not only Kenya beside Botswana that his the only country that is thriving under their own vision.
DW documentaries are absolutely excellent. Interesting, informative, educational and really well produced. You also get the bonus comedy moments when the Americans mispronounce things.
True. I hope minister of education will watch this. He has been doing a wonderful job getting kids from their homes to attend school. It should be free but we still have cartels in schools too. He has been kicked out of school despite being free. Why??? Corruption iko hata places you can't expect.
Its really so sad to watch such happenings to some people in this world. God Bless all these unfortunate humans. I just really hope especially the children will grow up and be better people. Thank you so much dear DW Documentary for sharing such a good video - its an eye-opener for me who is so lucky, living in comfort and have extra money for holidays etc ... but yet many a times, I wish I have more ... Thank you so much as these do make me realise so many things.
@@DWDocumentary I must say thank you to you & your team for the effort to make this documentary and sharing. God Bless you. Take care Stay Safe and have a good weekend.
Ok..i wpuld just love to impact somones life like that..somone that would truly appreciate a kind deed more than most could ever understand. But ok..i thank u for the reply..ik theres many like him but most "donation" places are theives that could care less about fellow human being and obove all these kids that really need help..makes me sick todays wprld is so heartless
I hope the person that made this and posted it set up a donation link two years ago and it helped as many people and children as possible. I wish it had a donation link to it right now!!
Thanks for this documentary. I live in assisted living and all the help is from Kenya or Uganda. I know three Kenyans from Nairobi and this one lady is from the slum. You can tell. I grew up in Los Angeles and all slums are the same pretty much.
😢😢 .the dreams of the little guy should be reality💔.... Hats off to you 👍 for doing such a great job...making the world aware of the dark sides of human community
Richie needs to be in a boarding school so he can concentrate on his education. I pray he gets to go to school. The mum needs help to get healthy. Food and rent till she regains her strength to eventually get a job. This story broke my heart. Every mother wants the best for their child.
Garage Cartels? Turf wars over trash? Turf wars???. A hieracy for picking garbage?. People fighting over "valuable" trash? I would not mind is a barrage of comets the size of fiji smash the planet
@DW How can we send money to the woman with HIV so she can take her child to school and also so she can get treatment? You Must have her contact details since you spent a lot of time with her and her son .
Thank you for the insightful video. I hope that these people get paid more for the work they do and people stop taking advantage of these people that are destitute. hope the situation improves.
People who want to help this boy. There is a Kenyan lady who has helped people through her program on tuco tv. Her name is Lynn Ngugi. She also has her personal channel on TH-cam just look her name up on You Tube. She has done this before. Contact her and talk. She has a great heart.
It’s truly heartbreaking to know how many billionaires are on this earth, yet here we have beautiful souls having to dig through garbage, for a single meal 😢
richy. your a king, stay focus, keep taking care of mama, believe i know when i see one. mama keep believing in your strength. god bless you with a real man. please tell me how i can help in any way. richy your day is coming, stay focus
This is merely a perpetual vicious cycle when schools are established to providing rags to riches opportunities but poor guys can't go to school . The poor is deemed to be poorer and the rich is to flourish.
My country Kenya. My country people 😭corruption in Kenya is the beginning of sorrows, goverment claim education is free but that's a lie.... The school managements ends up adding some stupid stuffs to get money from parents,
@@carochan86 HIV in Kenya is not primarily passed through iv drugs! If *your* mom was ill and had zero resources to feed herself, I'm hoping that you would step up and do whatever it takes to insure you both could eat.
In America, school from 1st to 12th grade is free....why not in Kenya???? All these charities that get money, why aren't they paying for it??? And the very rich Kenyan government, why is school not free????
Education might be free but he needs uniform, books, a meal after school. You just can't go to school come home sleep on empty stomach. There's more to school than just free classes
Are any Ministries working in this areas to help these people? This place is too danger to their health. They should even be allow to be there. They are being exposed to highly toxic materials, and diseases.
75 shillings for a full day of work?where is humanity here?I cry watching this boy struggling to survive life at a young age..I can feel the pain,the hunger,the tiredness but he is showing full strenght because he doesnt have any choice..My heart is broken..How can life be cruel to kids like him,he shouldnt be experiencing this..While rich people spend thier money for drugs and unuseful things here is this people,the kids working hard to earn small amount to survive in thier daily life 💔💔💔
I hope the crew was able to help him out for his part in speaking out. I'm sure he has put himself and his family in danger by doing so. The least the crew can do is provide him with some financial help for doing so!
As a Kenyan, I must say am ashamed and saddened by what my fellow people go through in life. In my lifetime I promise myself to do something and I will!
My friend you want to do something start by getting all the leaders presidents together and UNITE AFRICA AS ONE COUNTRY that's the only way Africa can be FREE, it's this how they want there kids, grandkids yet to be born great grandkids to live suffering like this when they leave this earth ALL THE LEADERS GOT TO COME TOGETHER this really hurt me to see how my black Brothers and sisters are living in the richest continent/country Africa is the second biggest continent on earth AFRICA IS THE RICHEST CONTINENT ON EARTH WITH THE POOREST RACE HOW SAD I LOVE MY BLACK PEOPLE
Sorry for there troubles I hopes things get better for them 🙏 I don't care if there black or white please god help them
@@decklancorcoran7056 they need to work hard, be diligent ,smart and responsible , anything else is hogwash .
@@pietrojenkins6901 they are working hard and for what peanuts . I really should be grateful for what I earn as I'm blessed when it comes to making money . But not fair on them I will definitely be making a regular donation
As a Kenyan am both sad and angry with our government
The state of affairs in Kenya right now is pathetic! The government has really failed people. I am a health worker working in one of the slums , and the challenges that slum inhabitants go through,from waste segregation to lack of quality and accessible healthcare , it pains..
@Sophie Wright not even protecting themselves,this is a catastrophe.
Born to suffer
But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
Africa got too much presidents when it should be one, Africa with one president life much better, question how can AFRICA be FREE here's the answer one Africa with one president that's the only way Africa can be FREE
It's amazing to me how this channel posts investigative journalism videos literally every day. And from all around the world.
In years soo long same problem world 🌎 wide But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
@@jovenaldomingo1123 what are you talking about?
I am a product of the dumpsite directly and indirectly, my mother worked here for so many years for me and asked me to study hard. Right now i have not climbed that ladder to where i want to be but am still here trying to make a difference in little ways that i can.
This story is a reflection of so many of us who have been living around the dumpsite for a very long time. Good job.
Made u stronger💪 push on
How can people help you
God bless you, may you achieve the goals God has for you🙌🏽
@@blackdiamond5888 I know him
Dando 4 Life Boma i will never forget this place at 1 point i almost died Thank God where i am now
I hope you gave something to this kid before you left the place..
Human suffering is profitable. People become rich off the backs of others.
It's like layer-cake structure and always will be
And in the US, it's currently the GOP
Thats the way the system is designed to work all the way to the top. Nobody never know what proportion it could take. Stock market are great example of this
Capitalism and GOP have nothing to do with it. It is human nature
Believe whatever you want
So sad... working all day long and going back to home with less than $1
Sawmaaha bro
The governor, who has been known to have a number of conflicts of interest, owned the company that was awarded the trash collection contract.
A political leader getting profits off of kickbacks?? It's the same everywhere, unfortunately. In the US, our gang heavyweights who are doing the damage is the GOP.
I'm sure it's purely a coincidence
😜
@@B_Bodziak Really? Both parties are to blame here.
@@DavidSmith-sf4rl Yes, both parties in the US are guilty of doing it, but presently the GOP is leading the way. Perhaps, they're just more willing to be open about it??
its the hole african system
So very sad 😢💔.....
I have heard that Germany is open to everyone....
Another great video from DW Documentary! Love it!
I want to send this kid money even though I am not making a bunch of money I could afford a couple dollars a day. He needs to be in school
Very generous of you. However, the truth is that government schools are free of charge. I would argue that just the hype of living in a city that is keeping this family in such a situation.
@Sea dreams yea free ov charge.these people at the dumpsite make alot ov money
R Odongo
what school fees is he referring to?
Tuition is free but there are always items that will be charged per term but not alot. I think the problem in this case is the mother isn't working. So even if he gets to school how will they eat and pay rent.
I also want to help, I wrote DW but no answer yet. Do you know how we can help?
Can you please provide a way to be able to help
This family out? I would love to be of assistance to them.
My co workers and I want to help. Each at least $10 per month. How do we get money directly to this mother?
Please we must help this mother and child!
There are some local organisations that you can contribute to n they will track them down
dadaily unfortunately no one can be trusted. We do not need a third party. Sorry
Sometimes the exposure of the realities in the world really breaks my perceptions of struggling. How very fortunate my problems are compared to others in a different part of the world. Beautifully documented. Thanks for sharing.
This is saddening 😔 what have we done to this planet...
.......not "we" -- only the few on top !
@@mikestrefler7928 Oh yeah really ? just blame the rich ?? who bough that plastic bag for their convenience ??
@@zuboy4272 everything is in plastic because plastic is dirt cheap. If companies had cared about the environment instead of profit there'd be way less trash
@@zuboy4272 why are you on the internet? You are using electricity that damages the environment. Plus, you could be better using your time saving the environment. And what about the computer or phone you use to watch this? What of all the pollution used to create it, just for your entertainment?
I feel so sad watching this vide. God bless. watching from Korea
dont be sad
such content we will never get from our very own githeri media😭😭😭😭
Politics is what sells newspapers
Our githeri media is busy focusing on Ruto and BBI
There's restrictions NOT to talk anything bad about our country ,so they fear BUT still the truth remains.
It's so sad
Kenyan media is a joke.... Have you seen "chat spot" " ten over ten" and the likes? Nowadays I don't even watch TV anymore.
Ooh my Kenya 😭😭!
I live in Nairobi Kenya.DW doc highlight what i never get to see in my capital city Give us more
Bribes and overpaid contracts
Wow! I never knew such things happen in Kenya. I'm not rich by any measure, but I can send 2 dollars daily to the mom and son if someone can give me their mpesa details. The boy needs to go to school ASAP!
did you get their contacts???
Fighting and dying over trash. This is just unreal.
Big money is involved, being a cartel in this places can open doors to joining the super rich in Kenya
Coming from Kenya this is heartbreaking 😥😥😥😥 somebody gotta pay for this .
Lacy Monster have you seen Kenyan news for the past 75years ago.?
Primary education is free here in Kenya, but since they are living in the outskirts of Nairobi, they have to pay some good amount of money to enroll in a public school that's why he isn't in school.
To add on, secondary education is subsidised but such a family can't afford to send the kid to school.
Corruption is high and s fear for the boys life and his mother as the cartels would punish him for granting that interview.
Please, someone should help the boy.
I still don't get it. Why do they have to pay if the country provides free primary education?
@@samiraa3671 Corruption
In years soo long same problem world 🌎 wide But Now the Humans are farming more more trash cities burning sky worldwide concrete jungles more trash daily they are not farming trees 07 be glad wish u knew meh now 07 jesus meh with u all 07
A chain of corruption
When someone tells you capitalism is working, he means its working for him, who cares for the most? Sickening
we don't have capitalism we have cartelism, huuuuuge difference
when you let Whyte guilt get to you over what recent primitives are capable of... smh
she has Aides.. cauxasian medicine saves her... dont they recycle?? ooops...
the non biblical have a problem, by their own hands... Billions spent per year. smh
Very true
This is caused by corruption, not capitalism.
Very powerful report. Well done! What a deplorable situation!
Ritchie; I pray for your safety my brother. I pray for your mom. I hope you will be safe after this video and get the help you and your mother need. I see so much potential in you. You are smart and so brave. May you have a bright future. I hope there is a way to help you and your mother. I fear for your safety. Lots of love 💕
😂😂😂when he said I don't remember when I went to school somebody say "you love lies"
I am Kenyan living in the city, shockingly, this is the first time i am hearing or seeing this. A sad country!
Acha uongo wewe, this is normal life for millions of Kenyans 😂😁🤣😃😅
Damn. So rough to see things like this go on in the world. Really makes you appreciate your own conditions and not complain when you see how much more fortunate you are.
There fighting over garbage it’s all sad
Africa as his best. It's sad we are still there while others are making progress. I guess they will keep in blaming Chinese and European from their greed and city management skills.
Its everywhere in Africa not only Kenya beside Botswana that his the only country that is thriving under their own vision.
DW documentaries are absolutely excellent. Interesting, informative, educational and really well produced. You also get the bonus comedy moments when the Americans mispronounce things.
Keep these documentaries coming, they are excellent.
Primary and secondary education is free in Kenya. This mother is failing terribly despite her illness. God help Kenya.
True. I hope minister of education will watch this. He has been doing a wonderful job getting kids from their homes to attend school. It should be free but we still have cartels in schools too. He has been kicked out of school despite being free. Why??? Corruption iko hata places you can't expect.
Its really so sad to watch such happenings to some people in this world. God Bless all these unfortunate humans. I just really hope especially the children will grow up and be better people.
Thank you so much dear DW Documentary for sharing such a good video - its an eye-opener for me who is so lucky, living in comfort and have extra money for holidays etc ... but yet many a times, I wish I have more ... Thank you so much as these do make me realise so many things.
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment, Michelle!
@@DWDocumentary I must say thank you to you & your team for the effort to make this documentary and sharing.
God Bless you. Take care Stay Safe and have a good weekend.
Really sad story. Good reporting.
The government and politicians always do this
How can i help this boy and his mother?
Heart breaking
Can sombody tell me how to find out how much money this boy needs for school? I would like to send him a good bit of money somehow...im being serious
The goverment schools are free but some has other added fees.... Especially in the slums
Ok..i wpuld just love to impact somones life like that..somone that would truly appreciate a kind deed more than most could ever understand. But ok..i thank u for the reply..ik theres many like him but most "donation" places are theives that could care less about fellow human being and obove all these kids that really need help..makes me sick todays wprld is so heartless
Im quite young ..at 26 i see all tje evil in this world..Jesus Saves!!
@@hypnob6038 text dw
@@hypnob6038 That's why we need bitcoin. You could give him money directly.
This is so deep and sad to watch as a Kenyan.
How can I give this young man money
I hope the person that made this and posted it set up a donation link two years ago and it helped as many people and children as possible. I wish it had a donation link to it right now!!
What types of birds are those in the dumps? @10:25
Thanks for this documentary. I live in assisted living and all the help is from Kenya or Uganda. I know three Kenyans from Nairobi and this one lady is from the slum. You can tell. I grew up in Los Angeles and all slums are the same pretty much.
This documentary was done three years ago and the situation is still the same if not worse.
😢😢 .the dreams of the little guy should be reality💔....
Hats off to you 👍 for doing such a great job...making the world aware of the dark sides of human community
This is really sad what these children go through
Richie needs to be in a boarding school so he can concentrate on his education. I pray he gets to go to school. The mum needs help to get healthy. Food and rent till she regains her strength to eventually get a job.
This story broke my heart. Every mother wants the best for their child.
Garage Cartels? Turf wars over trash? Turf wars???. A hieracy for picking garbage?. People fighting over "valuable" trash?
I would not mind is a barrage of comets the size of fiji smash the planet
Surely the Kenyan government has the means to at least provide basic food to its citizens so that people aren't forced to do this.
This landfill is cleaner than most of Kenya
As a Kenyan sometimes I wonder which country I'm living in
People in America taking life for granted I hope they the video and enjoy to the fullest
And exactly what does American have to do with this news story ?
Thank you for good film. God bless you.
@DW How can we send money to the woman with HIV so she can take her child to school and also so she can get treatment? You
Must have her contact details since you spent a lot of time with her and her son .
Thank you for the insightful video. I hope that these people get paid more for the work they do and people stop taking advantage of these people that are destitute. hope the situation improves.
Living in such destitution... Someone once told me that the system is not corrupt but that corruption is the system
How can someone end corruption in a country
I live in Kenya and the gov doesn't care about this
Oh well. Can't care about people in other countries when kids in America are going through their own hell
Let's just throw the whole Kenyan government and start again 🙄😑
True.
This is 2020 .
This should not be happening !!
WTF IS WRONG WITH THE WORLD ??
well instead of asking for someone to step up find out what you can do
People who want to help this boy. There is a Kenyan lady who has helped people through her program on tuco tv. Her name is Lynn Ngugi. She also has her personal channel on TH-cam just look her name up on You Tube. She has done this before. Contact her and talk. She has a great heart.
It’s truly heartbreaking to know how many billionaires are on this earth, yet here we have beautiful souls having to dig through garbage, for a single meal 😢
Hopefully the dumpster gangs won't attack that kid 😢
richy. your a king, stay focus, keep taking care of mama, believe i know when i see one. mama keep believing in your strength. god bless you with a real man. please tell me how i can help in any way. richy your day is coming, stay focus
I've heard Dr PLO Lumumba say...poverty is big business.
They died for a mound of garbage. That's insane.
I thought education was free in Kenya.
Tuition only.
Bad thing the media in Kenya will never report on this! Cartels those ones.
Portland, Oregon USA also has a trash digging hierarchical system.
This is merely a perpetual vicious cycle when schools are established to providing rags to riches opportunities but poor guys can't go to school .
The poor is deemed to be poorer and the rich is to flourish.
People have dreams of their children flying away instead of fixing the problems where they live - THAT is a problem
Africa will rise.
wen
These guys would love my local dump! ant nobody picking through stuff.
Poor baby I know at the end of the day his little body is exhausted kids should not have to struggle like this
This breaks my heart knowing that this kind of rot is in my own country. Ww shall rise above against this inhumane state of affairs
This is a global issue. One man's trash is another man's treasure.
My country Kenya. My country people 😭corruption in Kenya is the beginning of sorrows, goverment claim education is free but that's a lie.... The school managements ends up adding some stupid stuffs to get money from parents,
"One man's trash is another man's treasure."
The problem in Kenya right now is Uhuru Kenyatta
Is it not mandatory for kids to be in school in Kenya?
School or the rubbish tip, it's one or the other though.
so sad :"(
Good on Richey he is a go getter...
Richard mom should be out there so he can go to school.
She supposedly is weak from having HIV if im not mistaken.
Yes! this documentary is misleading about the reason why the boy is not in school. He is the bread winner of the family
@@petern9302 it's misleading to know where the mom gets her HIV drugs as well.
@@carochan86 HIV in Kenya is not primarily passed through iv drugs! If *your* mom was ill and had zero resources to feed herself, I'm hoping that you would step up and do whatever it takes to insure you both could eat.
@@B_Bodziak what I mean is the current medicine she is taking is making her fatigue. So where is she getting that medicine?
In America, school from 1st to 12th grade is free....why not in Kenya???? All these charities that get money, why aren't they paying for it??? And the very rich Kenyan government, why is school not free????
How can a person sleep a night knowing they have enough for a thousand people and wont share with anyone JFC
So very sad, People of Africa you must rise up above yourselves and do better, get rid of the gangs first step.
Education might be free but he needs uniform, books, a meal after school. You just can't go to school come home sleep on empty stomach. There's more to school than just free classes
A whole day of hard work in that trash wasteland for less than $1.00
Market forces right?
Are any Ministries working in this areas to help these people? This place is too danger to their health. They should even be allow to be there. They are being exposed to highly toxic materials, and diseases.
75 shillings for a full day of work?where is humanity here?I cry watching this boy struggling to survive life at a young age..I can feel the pain,the hunger,the tiredness but he is showing full strenght because he doesnt have any choice..My heart is broken..How can life be cruel to kids like him,he shouldnt be experiencing this..While rich people spend thier money for drugs and unuseful things here is this people,the kids working hard to earn small amount to survive in thier daily life 💔💔💔
Where is Richie? Anyone
This is so sad ,that kid is supposed to be at school but Now at the gabbage
Make it longer 👌👌👍👍
How can I send him some money....? Do you know any local organisations?
heartbreaking....
I fear for Richies life, hope he will be okay after this interview, otherwise keep up the good work DW.
I hope the crew was able to help him out for his part in speaking out. I'm sure he has put himself and his family in danger by doing so. The least the crew can do is provide him with some financial help for doing so!
I’m going to sort out my trash and recycling today to feel their pain.
I don't think that's quite the same... (unless you're making a joke, then nvm)