My question or deal is, even when paint channels, and this is all of them, they show us a view of the clear outside. All fine and dandy but you(in general) are showing the sky and trees. What I do to show may friends the true finish differences is put a bottle of something( I use a buffing compound bottle with letters and numbers so you can truly see side by side.) Would you be willing to do something similar? Showing outside videos of trees and sky on TH-cam, honestly I can’t tell the difference on your finishes most times. All of your data is great, it’s just that to get a true visual of the difference between gun finishes you really need a static shot for a truly unbiased view. Thank you for all the data you have accumulated and shared. Truly appreciated!
Hi buddy, I'm really not sure what you mean, I presume you mean a photo of the reflection of a bottle or something with writing on it ? I'm not sure how that makes any difference, to be honest. The idea of moving shots to catch reflection in differing light so you can get an idea of the peel you can expect from the gun or products. To be honest, I would have thought a reflection of a bottle or whatever would actually flatter the work rather than be more critical of it It's certainly something I will try, as maybe I'm missing something, we will see, cheers, buddy 👍
@peteshobbies5383 you got the gist of it. I like to snap a picture of a static item like a bottle of soda or the buffing compound for each job, clear and gun so I have a database of which clear works with which gun and temperatures so I can reference that when a customer wants to know “how cheap they can go” I show them the pics. Instead of having to do a separate spray out card I can give them a good idea beforehand. If they want a spray out card for color and material we go from there. Just a thought, especially for all your back to back comparisons. Cheers 👍🏼
I have been using my 717 for the past 6 months. The gun can spray anything from sealer, color, and especially good with 2:1 clear. I put this gun head to head with my 5500RP and my 5000HVLP and it has not let me down.
Hi Mate, when you consider the price of these, it's quite an eye-opener that they can compete and often perform better than the highest end opposition, 👍
@ I just bought a Luma III and they offer an adapter mount for the 717. I guess they are being taken seriously. I credit serious painters like yourself and Triggerman for introducing them to aspiring painters. I am almost 60 and have been painting since I was 12. I enjoy watching different styles of painting and learn from you and your fellow painters.
Hi Angus, They really are very, very good and an absolute bargain. If I were Iwata, Sat's, Devilbiss, and the like, I would be worried 😀 , cheers mate, thank you
@@peteshobbies5383 I notice that on the website they now have a PPS adapter as an option, which is another big win. Your lobbying must have paid off. 🙂
@angusmackay7281 It makes it easier as people don't need to know the thread needed, it actually a M16 x 1.5, one good thing, is they now make and sell an adapter for the MPH338 Mini Gun, that was causing many problems as its an M11 x 1.5 thread, which is completely unique, cheers mate 👍
Hi Dean, Hope alls well, mate. I really think these are excellent tools and absolute bargains with the prices of the top marks these days. I was always sceptical about longevity, but that is well and truly going now, they are reliable, well made and very, very good, even if they were £500 I would be say that, the fact they are less than half that is just unbelievable, cheers mate 👍
I still can't get over the finish coat - it's stunning! No orange peel at all, amazing. I'm trying to paint using Rustoleum Gloss black, then clear coat. After that I'm going to airbrush different style blue flames, some by stencil. So far I can't even get the gloss black to spray correctly. Still waiting for the 717 to be delivered. My last attempt wasn't very good - at all. The temperature is around 50 degrees Fahrenheit or 10 Celsius, so I tried 5oz paint, 2oz Acetone, 2 teaspoons of KRYLON Hardener and .654 teaspoon of Japan Dry. It did not dry fast enough and it was all orange peel LOL. When the 717 gets here I'll try a bit more Japan Dry. What is your thought about this concoction? Thank you Pete for another awesome video, can't thank you enough!
Hi Richard, I don't use Rustoleum paint . Is it a base coat? , so drys to a matte finish? , ready for clear coat?, I know they make many different types. If the weather is cool, it's often best just to give it more time to dry than put an accelerator in it, or some heat from a hot air gun, depending on the area you are doing as to how practical that is. It sounds like the material may be too thick or you are moving too fast. Have you done a viscosity check? The TDS should give you an idea of the viscosity to aim for and the tip size as a guide
@richardbartlett4075 Any manufacturer should be able to provide you with a technical data sheet, so if the information isn't on the tin, ask them for one. You will have a better idea of where you are once you see what's recommended 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Well Pete, Rust-oleum is a DTM ALKYD Enamel. I use it to paint (rattle can) motorcycle frames and parts. It is a great rust preventative and also used for farm equipment. Many colors but I use gloss black. It is a oil based paint and I do use it as a base coat. I can't find any viscosity info, but from online info, the mix is 5-2-1/3. It is a very slow drying paint and will not spray unless thinned. Hell, it's a slow dryer in the summer. I may have to use a different paint, time will tell. What kind of paint do you use for base coat? Thanks for your help Pete, as you can tell, I did a bunch. LOL
@richardbartlett4075 Hi Richard, I have a few different makes of base coat. The one I use most is a Kapci solvent base coat, I have a Kapci System, so I can mix my own colors up to a paint code. It sounds like what you are using is designed as a final finish coat, so it is not intended to be clear coated afterward, so it drys to a gloss finish. Is that correct?
Hi Pete, a brilliant video with two great guns fighting it out for the top spot and there lies the problem🤔how can you split the two as they are both fantastic guns both of which lays the clear superbly well, as you mentioned there isn't much difference between them when it comes to the finish they put out, the 717 does atomise the clear better but does it result in s better finish compared to the 715🤷♂ As you know I have the 717 and I bought the 715 setup for it and they are both very good, I prefer the 715 for basecoat but love them both for laying the clear👌I would like to see a video from you comparing the PRD-715 with the PC-415, apart from the price difference I can't split them for the finish they put out, I'm not sure of the exact price but the 415 is a lot cheaper than the 715 so I think it would be an interesting comparison🤔cheers mate👍
Hi John, Yes. Both these guns offer superb value and results up there or better than the best 👌 The PC415 was around 20% cheaper than the PRD715 , it has less thrills, so doesn't have the click fluid control and the like, but, as you say, it performs really well, so does the PRD625 for that matter. Cheers mate, good to hear you enjoyed the video 😁
Yeah as usual your videos are well thought out with a professional look and feel to them. I'm pleased I got my PC-415 when I did as I do wonder if it will be the same price when it comes back in stock🤔 You mentioned in the video that someone wasn't that impressed with the build quality of these guns, I really don't know how they can think that as IMO it's one of the best made guns available it's right up there (if not better) than the likes of Devilbiss, Iwata and Sata but at a fraction of the price, the only gun that might pip it to the post is some of the Meiji guns like the Finer Core which I will be using for basecoat and clear on my next tank😁👌cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 I would agree totally with what you said regarding build quality, equally as good or better than Devilbiss, Sata and Iwata, cheers mate 👍
Hi Mate, Yes, 100% , The Porphis is better made, gives better results, although the differences are small and it will run at anything from 16 to 29 psi quite happily, it really is very good 👍
Hi Pete and thanks for your videos. Just one question, how much is the air consumption of the 717 in litre per minute at around 1.8 bar? Infinite thanks again!
Hi mate, at that pressure I would guess it's around 340lpm, so 12 cfm, but I use it for clear now at 1.5 bar and get superb results, at that it using around 10 cfm, so 280lpm
@@peteshobbies5383 infinite thanks Pete! One last question. When you do your reviewing videos, how many fluid turns do you use for example on your 717? Thanks again
My 715 sprays as good as any paint gun I've used in 40 years. It's closer to conventional or less rp than my rp but just barely. The 715 is blowing my mind really
Triggerman paints super fast and he’s doing bigger panels. I mentioned in the comments the other day about Pete’s settings and Triggerman said those settings wouldn’t work him.
Hi mate, I use mine at different pressures for different things, but mostly for HS clear and a super flat finish, I use full fan, full fluid at 1.5bar, which is 22psi, you can use it at 16psi and it still delivers, it's the gun Iwata wish there LPH400 was , cheers buddy
@Blacksockmafia1 Hi buddy, the gun isn't particularly fast so bumping up the pressure can speed it up, if your using an HS or MS clear the pattern can separate, so bottom heavy, that's why I guess Triggerman turns the fan in, the 1.4 speeds it up and doesn't compromise finish, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 all I know as a hobbyist painter who’s only sprayed high build primer (with the purple harbor freight gun might I add) 3x times prior to buying the 717, I think the 717 is amazing! Especially spraying at your settings with a high solids clear. I have now sprayed a little sealer, sprayed a trunk and door (old scrap parts) for practice and they came out excellent! I’m waiting to paint my car until I get my shop wired up and drywall put up and a heater. It’s been averaging low 40’s here in Seattle for the last few weeks.
Hi Mr Pete hope you're doing well. I was thinking about a video comparison between the 717 vs Avalon wls400 since they're both 1.4 split nozzle. I've looked up prices in AliExpress and the 715 is more expensive than the 717. I would have thought split nozzle would be more expensive cause of more machining needed to make it 🤔🤷🏽♂️. Anyways, cheers buddy!
Hi Buddy, The 717 is normally more expensive than the 715. You're find it's cheaper to buy directly from the Porphis website. There's a link in the video description or here, www.porphis-online.com/?srsltid=AfmBOorB5_gA6WI15mQ_6fQsYSaaeLXUxu-P_bFoFlKy6JtJuMI30cF3 To be honest, the Avalon WLS400 isn't in the same league as the PRD717. The Porphis is better made and performers much better. It is more expensive, though, I'll put it on my list of shutouts to do, cheers, buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 yes you're right it's cheaper to buy the guns from the official website, but I think they don't ship to where i live. And yes you're right about the porphis being better made and better performing than the Avalon but I thought it would be nice to actually see how much of a difference would be on the end result since the Avalon costs a third of the porphis.
@juanrivera8566 Yes, I will get around to doing a comparison with the Avalon WLS400, just to see the difference, I am trying to get the Avalon A60 to try as well, be interesting to see what that's like against the PRD717, Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 wow that's great! I've been very interested on the a60 since numerous chanels posted videos with very good results. I'll be very aware of your videos 👍🏽
Have you ever had to strip the 717 down and replace anything? I currently have a bad air leak from the air adjuster on the back of the gun but in the service kit provided I can’t see a solution. So I’ve contacted via WhatsApp and email from their website and had no response. Would really appreciate your advice and recommendation on how to proceed with the repair. Really appreciate all your videos so informative. Have a great Christmas and happy New Year.
Hi Tim, no, I've never had to strip the 717 down yet or any of the Porphis guns for that matter. I did strip a PRD515 down just to have a look, but nothing was wrong with it before or after I stripped it down. I presume you have stripped the air valve out? , I'm not sure how it seals, but it should be obvious once you are in there?
Thank you for your reply. All has been sorted with Porphis. With a new part being sent under warranty 🙏 really impressed by the aftercare its a pleasant surprise.
Hi Tim, I have had a couple who have had a problem in one way or another, and they have all said exactly the same thing, excellent customer services. I haven't had a problem with any of my Porphis guns, and I have a fair few now 🤭, if only the same could be said for Anest Iwata and Sagola, both of which I've had problems with and zero response. Anyway, hopefully you'll be sorted now, cheers 👍
My question or deal is, even when paint channels, and this is all of them, they show us a view of the clear outside. All fine and dandy but you(in general) are showing the sky and trees.
What I do to show may friends the true finish differences is put a bottle of something( I use a buffing compound bottle with letters and numbers so you can truly see side by side.)
Would you be willing to do something similar? Showing outside videos of trees and sky on TH-cam, honestly I can’t tell the difference on your finishes most times.
All of your data is great, it’s just that to get a true visual of the difference between gun finishes you really need a static shot for a truly unbiased view.
Thank you for all the data you have accumulated and shared. Truly appreciated!
Hi buddy, I'm really not sure what you mean, I presume you mean a photo of the reflection of a bottle or something with writing on it ?
I'm not sure how that makes any difference, to be honest. The idea of moving shots to catch reflection in differing light so you can get an idea of the peel you can expect from the gun or products.
To be honest, I would have thought a reflection of a bottle or whatever would actually flatter the work rather than be more critical of it
It's certainly something I will try, as maybe I'm missing something, we will see, cheers, buddy 👍
@peteshobbies5383 you got the gist of it. I like to snap a picture of a static item like a bottle of soda or the buffing compound for each job, clear and gun so I have a database of which clear works with which gun and temperatures so I can reference that when a customer wants to know “how cheap they can go” I show them the pics. Instead of having to do a separate spray out card I can give them a good idea beforehand. If they want a spray out card for color and material we go from there.
Just a thought, especially for all your back to back comparisons. Cheers 👍🏼
@92boostedh22 ok mate, I'll give it a try. Cheers 👍
great video pete👍👍
Thanks Grant, 👍
Thanks, Pete. another informative and excellent comparison.
Thanks, Paul, much appreciated 🙏
Thanks Pete great information! Your in depth comparison is very much appreciated!
Thanks, mate, much appreciated, I do go a little bit off topic sometimes, but hopefully not for too long, cheers 👍
Another awesome video Pete! Have a Wonderful Christmas Buddy. 🎅
Hi Mate, Thank you, hope you enjoy your Christmas as well, cheers 👍 🍻
I have been using my 717 for the past 6 months. The gun can spray anything from sealer, color, and especially good with 2:1 clear. I put this gun head to head with my 5500RP and my 5000HVLP and it has not let me down.
Hi Mate, when you consider the price of these, it's quite an eye-opener that they can compete and often perform better than the highest end opposition, 👍
@ I just bought a Luma III and they offer an adapter mount for the 717. I guess they are being taken seriously. I credit serious painters like yourself and Triggerman for introducing them to aspiring painters. I am almost 60 and have been painting since I was 12. I enjoy watching different styles of painting and learn from you and your fellow painters.
@billbeckett1021 Yes, I think they must be taken seriously as their products are doing the talking. They must have the big boys worried 🤔
Thanks Pete. looking forward to your shootout video. I'm definittely tempted to try the 717 on the strength of your videos.
Hi Angus, They really are very, very good and an absolute bargain. If I were Iwata, Sat's, Devilbiss, and the like, I would be worried 😀 , cheers mate, thank you
@@peteshobbies5383 I notice that on the website they now have a PPS adapter as an option, which is another big win. Your lobbying must have paid off. 🙂
@angusmackay7281 It makes it easier as people don't need to know the thread needed, it actually a M16 x 1.5, one good thing, is they now make and sell an adapter for the MPH338 Mini Gun, that was causing many problems as its an M11 x 1.5 thread, which is completely unique, cheers mate 👍
TBH pete they look good and well made maybe the make eint no flash in the pan 😉😉😉😉
Hi Dean, Hope alls well, mate. I really think these are excellent tools and absolute bargains with the prices of the top marks these days.
I was always sceptical about longevity, but that is well and truly going now, they are reliable, well made and very, very good, even if they were £500 I would be say that, the fact they are less than half that is just unbelievable, cheers mate 👍
I still can't get over the finish coat - it's stunning! No orange peel at all, amazing. I'm trying to paint using Rustoleum Gloss black, then clear coat. After that I'm going to airbrush different style blue flames, some by stencil. So far I can't even get the gloss black to spray correctly. Still waiting for the 717 to be delivered. My last attempt wasn't very good - at all. The temperature is around 50 degrees Fahrenheit or 10 Celsius, so I tried 5oz paint, 2oz Acetone, 2 teaspoons of KRYLON Hardener and .654 teaspoon of Japan Dry. It did not dry fast enough and it was all orange peel LOL. When the 717 gets here I'll try a bit more Japan Dry. What is your thought about this concoction? Thank you Pete for another awesome video, can't thank you enough!
Hi Richard, I don't use Rustoleum paint . Is it a base coat? , so drys to a matte finish? , ready for clear coat?, I know they make many different types.
If the weather is cool, it's often best just to give it more time to dry than put an accelerator in it, or some heat from a hot air gun, depending on the area you are doing as to how practical that is.
It sounds like the material may be too thick or you are moving too fast. Have you done a viscosity check?
The TDS should give you an idea of the viscosity to aim for and the tip size as a guide
@@peteshobbies5383 Thank you Pete, very much appreciated. I will check the viscosity, if there is any info on the gallon can. Thanks again!
@richardbartlett4075 Any manufacturer should be able to provide you with a technical data sheet, so if the information isn't on the tin, ask them for one.
You will have a better idea of where you are once you see what's recommended 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 Well Pete, Rust-oleum is a DTM ALKYD Enamel. I use it to paint (rattle can) motorcycle frames and parts. It is a great rust preventative and also used for farm equipment. Many colors but I use gloss black. It is a oil based paint and I do use it as a base coat. I can't find any viscosity info, but from online info, the mix is 5-2-1/3. It is a very slow drying paint and will not spray unless thinned. Hell, it's a slow dryer in the summer. I may have to use a different paint, time will tell. What kind of paint do you use for base coat? Thanks for your help Pete, as you can tell, I did a bunch. LOL
@richardbartlett4075 Hi Richard, I have a few different makes of base coat.
The one I use most is a Kapci solvent base coat, I have a Kapci System, so I can mix my own colors up to a paint code.
It sounds like what you are using is designed as a final finish coat, so it is not intended to be clear coated afterward, so it drys to a gloss finish. Is that correct?
Hi Pete, a brilliant video with two great guns fighting it out for the top spot and there lies the problem🤔how can you split the two as they are both fantastic guns both of which lays the clear superbly well, as you mentioned there isn't much difference between them when it comes to the finish they put out, the 717 does atomise the clear better but does it result in s better finish compared to the 715🤷♂
As you know I have the 717 and I bought the 715 setup for it and they are both very good, I prefer the 715 for basecoat but love them both for laying the clear👌I would like to see a video from you comparing the PRD-715 with the PC-415, apart from the price difference I can't split them for the finish they put out, I'm not sure of the exact price but the 415 is a lot cheaper than the 715 so I think it would be an interesting comparison🤔cheers mate👍
Hi John, Yes. Both these guns offer superb value and results up there or better than the best 👌
The PC415 was around 20% cheaper than the PRD715 , it has less thrills, so doesn't have the click fluid control and the like, but, as you say, it performs really well, so does the PRD625 for that matter.
Cheers mate, good to hear you enjoyed the video 😁
Yeah as usual your videos are well thought out with a professional look and feel to them. I'm pleased I got my PC-415 when I did as I do wonder if it will be the same price when it comes back in stock🤔
You mentioned in the video that someone wasn't that impressed with the build quality of these guns, I really don't know how they can think that as IMO it's one of the best made guns available it's right up there (if not better) than the likes of Devilbiss, Iwata and Sata but at a fraction of the price, the only gun that might pip it to the post is some of the Meiji guns like the Finer Core which I will be using for basecoat and clear on my next tank😁👌cheers Pete👍
@JohnWD40TC02 I would agree totally with what you said regarding build quality, equally as good or better than Devilbiss, Sata and Iwata, cheers mate 👍
Do you think the 717 compares or is better as an all rounder than the Kiwami in either Ba4 or Wbx?
Hi Mate, Yes, 100% , The Porphis is better made, gives better results, although the differences are small and it will run at anything from 16 to 29 psi quite happily, it really is very good 👍
I would like watch between phs717 vs iwata Ls400 s2❤
Hi Buddy, I'll put it on the list. Cheers 👍
Hi Pete and thanks for your videos. Just one question, how much is the air consumption of the 717 in litre per minute at around 1.8 bar? Infinite thanks again!
Hi mate, at that pressure I would guess it's around 340lpm, so 12 cfm, but I use it for clear now at 1.5 bar and get superb results, at that it using around 10 cfm, so 280lpm
@@peteshobbies5383 infinite thanks Pete! One last question. When you do your reviewing videos, how many fluid turns do you use for example on your 717? Thanks again
@stefderrico Normally, for clear coat, completely out, so full fluid, the PRD717 isn't a fast gun, so full fluid doesn't normally overwhelm the user
My 715 sprays as good as any paint gun I've used in 40 years. It's closer to conventional or less rp than my rp but just barely. The 715 is blowing my mind really
That's exactly the way I feel. It's hard to justify spending any more money for and often getting less 👍
I got the 717 1.3a couple months ago but still finding my settings, I heard triggerman is using it at 25 bar and quarter closed fan.
Triggerman paints super fast and he’s doing bigger panels. I mentioned in the comments the other day about Pete’s settings and Triggerman said those settings wouldn’t work him.
Hi mate, I use mine at different pressures for different things, but mostly for HS clear and a super flat finish, I use full fan, full fluid at 1.5bar, which is 22psi, you can use it at 16psi and it still delivers, it's the gun Iwata wish there LPH400 was , cheers buddy
@Blacksockmafia1 Hi buddy, the gun isn't particularly fast so bumping up the pressure can speed it up, if your using an HS or MS clear the pattern can separate, so bottom heavy, that's why I guess Triggerman turns the fan in, the 1.4 speeds it up and doesn't compromise finish, cheers mate 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 all I know as a hobbyist painter who’s only sprayed high build primer (with the purple harbor freight gun might I add) 3x times prior to buying the 717, I think the 717 is amazing! Especially spraying at your settings with a high solids clear. I have now sprayed a little sealer, sprayed a trunk and door (old scrap parts) for practice and they came out excellent! I’m waiting to paint my car until I get my shop wired up and drywall put up and a heater. It’s been averaging low 40’s here in Seattle for the last few weeks.
@@Blacksockmafia1 yes I saw your comment on his video
Hi Mr Pete hope you're doing well.
I was thinking about a video comparison between the 717 vs Avalon wls400 since they're both 1.4 split nozzle.
I've looked up prices in AliExpress and the 715 is more expensive than the 717. I would have thought split nozzle would be more expensive cause of more machining needed to make it 🤔🤷🏽♂️.
Anyways, cheers buddy!
Hi Buddy, The 717 is normally more expensive than the 715. You're find it's cheaper to buy directly from the Porphis website. There's a link in the video description or here,
www.porphis-online.com/?srsltid=AfmBOorB5_gA6WI15mQ_6fQsYSaaeLXUxu-P_bFoFlKy6JtJuMI30cF3
To be honest, the Avalon WLS400 isn't in the same league as the PRD717. The Porphis is better made and performers much better. It is more expensive, though, I'll put it on my list of shutouts to do, cheers, buddy 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 yes you're right it's cheaper to buy the guns from the official website, but I think they don't ship to where i live.
And yes you're right about the porphis being better made and better performing than the Avalon but I thought it would be nice to actually see how much of a difference would be on the end result since the Avalon costs a third of the porphis.
@juanrivera8566 Yes, I will get around to doing a comparison with the Avalon WLS400, just to see the difference, I am trying to get the Avalon A60 to try as well, be interesting to see what that's like against the PRD717, Cheers 👍
@@peteshobbies5383 wow that's great! I've been very interested on the a60 since numerous chanels posted videos with very good results. I'll be very aware of your videos 👍🏽
Have you ever had to strip the 717 down and replace anything? I currently have a bad air leak from the air adjuster on the back of the gun but in the service kit provided I can’t see a solution. So I’ve contacted via WhatsApp and email from their website and had no response. Would really appreciate your advice and recommendation on how to proceed with the repair. Really appreciate all your videos so informative. Have a great Christmas and happy New Year.
Hi Tim, no, I've never had to strip the 717 down yet or any of the Porphis guns for that matter.
I did strip a PRD515 down just to have a look, but nothing was wrong with it before or after I stripped it down.
I presume you have stripped the air valve out? , I'm not sure how it seals, but it should be obvious once you are in there?
Thank you for your reply. All has been sorted with Porphis. With a new part being sent under warranty 🙏 really impressed by the aftercare its a pleasant surprise.
Hi Tim, I have had a couple who have had a problem in one way or another, and they have all said exactly the same thing, excellent customer services.
I haven't had a problem with any of my Porphis guns, and I have a fair few now 🤭, if only the same could be said for Anest Iwata and Sagola, both of which I've had problems with and zero response.
Anyway, hopefully you'll be sorted now, cheers 👍