I, along with two classmates, recently created a mathematical model to determine whether a Pokemon is going to be viable competitively as a part of a college project for a Machine Learning course. It considered stats and typing as the most important factors in determining a Pokemon's potential (mainly because it's difficult to mathematically evaluate abilities). However, the model somehow considered Pyukumuku as OU, the same as Lugia 😅. This video would have been perfect for the professor to understand our project. He liked it though. Best academic project I've been a part of.
One more thing that can affect a pokemon and their viability is the meta. Gen 3 is notorious for rock spam, so sturdy rock resists are heavily encouraged, but in gen 9 that obviously is not the case. The meta is a hidden make or break that can help a poke. Case in point is Tinkaton. Average stats with a decent pool of abilities and a just good enough movepool made it great in uu but unapealing in ou. Steadily people see that its role compression is great so it gets used more, then darkrai shows and we need something decent into it. Oh hi tinkaton you have decent spdef and a good typing. There are hundreds of examples for this but those were ones i picked up on
For clefable specifically I’d argue the most important factor of its viability is its ability (probably tied with movepool but let me cook) magic guard and unaware are the perfect duo of abilities to give to a Mon like clef. Magic guard makes it immune to hazard straight up, status immunity, and immune to secondary effects of move AND items makes clef immune to all forms of indirect progress in a battle which vastly increases its longevity and ability to take hits despite low stats cuz you can’t chip it. On the flip side unaware helps it get past its low stats defensively by ignoring stat changes. Meaning if clef could live the hit it always will set up is useless. The option to run one or the other on an already versatile mon like clef imo makes it a more important factor to its viability than anything else besides movepool and I know it’s true cuz before gen 6 nobody used clef but after it got the fairy typing everyone realized it was god. Then people still playing older gens starting using clef too because of its success in modern gens and realized that it was actually almost as good as modern clef even with a normal typing. The abilities make clef the most (along with probably movepool but everyone knows movepool is the actual biggest factor)
i think the only thing thats worth mentioning here that wasn't already in the video is whether the niche they fit into is filled or not, like sure we could get another ghost dragon type but they'd have to be ACTUALLY insane for them to be even a side-grade to dragapult as an extreme example. this has happened before tho where gliscor (my goat) and landerous therian just existed in the same meta of ou even tho they fit very similar niches, an excellent ground/flying pivot pokemon, with utility options, as well as good chip even when they weren't ev'd for attack.
Well, I agree on the importance of the 4 main factors (movepool>abilities>typing>stats if I should do a biased order of importance tbh) but I think you're forgetting 2 big aspects which are more indirect than the others, the first one being the mechanics of the game like terra for gen 9 who can make already strong mons into unpredictable absolute units (kingambit players I see you) or megas who could turn mediocre mons like lucario or kangashkan into ubers, anyway I think you got my point The second is probably more subtle but I'd say that the current power level of the other mons determine probably more than anything about the viability of a mon, I'm not talking only about the powercreep which is obviously a huge deal, I'm really considering about "is that mon able to do well or maybe even to check some of the big meta threats?" like kingambit or great tusk in gen9 OU for ex. a lot of mons like tytar who is considered like one of the most solid mons since his debut gen just couldn't keep up and fell off because the top 2 most played OU mons completely destroyed him Anyway, that's just my pov and it might be incomplete so feel free to discuss about it Love y'all ❤
I feel like Ability is slightly more important then moves. Yes Pidgeot would be an OU monster against steel types and T-tar, but we have a lot of good mons with horrible abilities the greatest example is Swampert. Pert has the best utility moveset, a good stat spread, a great typing, but he has no good ability, however if we look at the Almost Any Ability other meta Pert is an high tier Pokémon with regenerator and can run AV sets, defensive pivot etc.
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There's also the context in they are playing, the format and the best pokemon around them. Raichu is bottom tier but shines in vgc thanks to it supporting abilities. Same thing with incineroar. And sometimes a pokemon is not bad, there's just a pokemon that does their job better
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I, along with two classmates, recently created a mathematical model to determine whether a Pokemon is going to be viable competitively as a part of a college project for a Machine Learning course. It considered stats and typing as the most important factors in determining a Pokemon's potential (mainly because it's difficult to mathematically evaluate abilities). However, the model somehow considered Pyukumuku as OU, the same as Lugia 😅.
This video would have been perfect for the professor to understand our project. He liked it though. Best academic project I've been a part of.
That’s so cool omg. I might actually have done my homework if I was in that class !
Tbh lugia is so dog it might be perfectly fine to let in OU
you must show the model lmfao
"Somehow", as if pyukumuku was not the definition of busted
@@ardvark3131I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure Finchinator said that Lugia might be fine in OU, but would be too degenerate to ever test
One more thing that can affect a pokemon and their viability is the meta.
Gen 3 is notorious for rock spam, so sturdy rock resists are heavily encouraged, but in gen 9 that obviously is not the case. The meta is a hidden make or break that can help a poke. Case in point is Tinkaton.
Average stats with a decent pool of abilities and a just good enough movepool made it great in uu but unapealing in ou. Steadily people see that its role compression is great so it gets used more, then darkrai shows and we need something decent into it. Oh hi tinkaton you have decent spdef and a good typing.
There are hundreds of examples for this but those were ones i picked up on
Yeah I was going to include that but that’s not something is within a Pokémon’s control. Nevertheless one of the most important factors
Ah, that makes sense
Rock spam? What, dug, aero and tar? What do you mean rock spam? There is some rock attacks yes but it is more sand spam than actual rock spam
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Great video. You explained everything thoroughly with good examples.
For clefable specifically I’d argue the most important factor of its viability is its ability (probably tied with movepool but let me cook) magic guard and unaware are the perfect duo of abilities to give to a Mon like clef. Magic guard makes it immune to hazard straight up, status immunity, and immune to secondary effects of move AND items makes clef immune to all forms of indirect progress in a battle which vastly increases its longevity and ability to take hits despite low stats cuz you can’t chip it.
On the flip side unaware helps it get past its low stats defensively by ignoring stat changes. Meaning if clef could live the hit it always will set up is useless.
The option to run one or the other on an already versatile mon like clef imo makes it a more important factor to its viability than anything else besides movepool and I know it’s true cuz before gen 6 nobody used clef but after it got the fairy typing everyone realized it was god. Then people still playing older gens starting using clef too because of its success in modern gens and realized that it was actually almost as good as modern clef even with a normal typing. The abilities make clef the most (along with probably movepool but everyone knows movepool is the actual biggest factor)
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i think the only thing thats worth mentioning here that wasn't already in the video is whether the niche they fit into is filled or not, like sure we could get another ghost dragon type but they'd have to be ACTUALLY insane for them to be even a side-grade to dragapult as an extreme example. this has happened before tho where gliscor (my goat) and landerous therian just existed in the same meta of ou even tho they fit very similar niches, an excellent ground/flying pivot pokemon, with utility options, as well as good chip even when they weren't ev'd for attack.
Gliscor in thumbnail i have to watch
If it's name doesn't start with "Luvdisc", "Delibird", or "Unown", then really, any pokemon can work.
Well, I agree on the importance of the 4 main factors (movepool>abilities>typing>stats if I should do a biased order of importance tbh) but I think you're forgetting 2 big aspects which are more indirect than the others, the first one being the mechanics of the game like terra for gen 9 who can make already strong mons into unpredictable absolute units (kingambit players I see you) or megas who could turn mediocre mons like lucario or kangashkan into ubers, anyway I think you got my point
The second is probably more subtle but I'd say that the current power level of the other mons determine probably more than anything about the viability of a mon, I'm not talking only about the powercreep which is obviously a huge deal, I'm really considering about "is that mon able to do well or maybe even to check some of the big meta threats?" like kingambit or great tusk in gen9 OU for ex. a lot of mons like tytar who is considered like one of the most solid mons since his debut gen just couldn't keep up and fell off because the top 2 most played OU mons completely destroyed him
Anyway, that's just my pov and it might be incomplete so feel free to discuss about it
Love y'all ❤
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Enviroment AKA metagame /generational mechanics also play a role on a pookemon viability
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Now please make a 100% accurate over 80 bp physical rock type move with good distributio- *gets sniped by Gamefreak*
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I feel like Ability is slightly more important then moves. Yes Pidgeot would be an OU monster against steel types and T-tar, but we have a lot of good mons with horrible abilities the greatest example is Swampert. Pert has the best utility moveset, a good stat spread, a great typing, but he has no good ability, however if we look at the Almost Any Ability other meta Pert is an high tier Pokémon with regenerator and can run AV sets, defensive pivot etc.
Swampert has been great in multiple generations OU
@wj11jam78 yet he fell of to NU
Young man, you need to stop worrying about what makes a "pokey man" good, and start worrying about what makes your grades good, your teacher told me that you were slacking off in class last Wednesday and I will no longer be taking you out for Ice Cream if you don't shape up.
Make me proud, son.
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@@darkflame1.067 Yes.
is level 1 treecko a good pokemon
There's also the context in they are playing, the format and the best pokemon around them. Raichu is bottom tier but shines in vgc thanks to it supporting abilities. Same thing with incineroar. And sometimes a pokemon is not bad, there's just a pokemon that does their job better