I haven't read a Marvel book in years, so I'm learning now that they're still writing them like this. Zach did countless review vids of books that were just like this years ago. They write books for no one and then scratch their heads when sales are in the toilet. They hire writers who don't care about writing super hero stories and this is what happens. Filler books about being besties, eating and everyone getting validated for no reason.
To be fair, if this were a webtoon comic it would be fairly read, problem is, nobody reading webtoons would ever pay 4 bucks per floppy to read this, you can barely get them to pay 1 dollar to read a comic in advance. The audience (technically) exists, it's just a pipe dream to think they'll ever read it.
You know, smells and tastes are a great way to round out the atmosphere of a comic and draw readers in. The hard, but refreshing taste of an apple. The sticky sweetness of maple syrup on pillowy pancakes. The calming aroma of hot chocolate or chicken noodle soup. Consistently referring to cat pee is not a way to endear people to your story. It reminds them of foul excretions and cleaning the litter box.
Frank Cho drew a great Captain Marvel. I still think her and Wonder Man would have been a great power couple. They are both super powerful. They have personal issues. She is an alcoholic, he's terrified of dying. So they are both super but broken. Instead of saying Carol being op or Simon mooning over Scarlet Witch, try something new in a story direction. Carol can be interesting.
I’m pretty you mean Ms.Marvel and yes, she used to have a good character back then and a much more appealing design. Now Civil War 2 and everything going forward has tainted her character for years to come.
So Binary hits a normal human so hard that he needs to be taken to the hospital and Carol and Monica just ignore the felony and walk away? Monica isn't evn sure it's a bad thing? The guy was a little rude but he didn't commit a crime. This binary is a child, why did she even take offense to the guy suggesting a skirt?
6:50 "Why should I hide what I am?" "That is... a very good argument." That's a question, Carol, not an argument. Plus, Carol just provided the answer before Binary even asked. Then Carol's explanation was proved immediately correct when they were attacked again. Is that deliberately stupid writing? More importantly, is it me or do Marvel writers have a bit of an obsession with anachronistic diners? I know these places do still exist, but it doesn't seem like you ever see a bunch of superheroes getting their pancakes (And they're eating so many! How funny is that?) at an ersatz Applebee's.
The diner thing is probably just a visual shorthand. Draw a trailer-shape with a "Diner" sign and include an appropriately dressed waitress, and everyone knows the simplistic old-fashioned wholesome innocent simpleminded style you are going for. Draw the interior of a modern dinner and you either get a completely generic restaurant with no context (could be a rustic place or a fancy place or a country club or whatever), or you get a not-X (not-Applebees, not-TGIF, etc) which people might try to read as either an endorsement or parody of specifically X.
@@BainesMkII So, it's more storytelling shorthand through established tropes rather than a lack of creativity and laziness*? Okay, yeah, I think that's a plausible explanation. Now I have to wonder why there was a group of apparently random kids playing with a kitten there. *I guess those don't have to be mutually exclusive, but let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.
@@Off-Brand_Devin Using such tropes can certainly still be a lack of creativity and laziness. You only asked why anachronistic diners showed up in Marvel comics. Heck, I've been in multiple such diners and I still find it a bit of a lazy trope. (Ranging from legit "owner could afford a trailer" affairs to full-on "indulging in the visuals for marketing purposes" deal.) As for the random kids with a kitten, that goes back to the trope. An Applebees isn't going to let in a bunch of random kits with a bat, but of course a generic trailer diner will.
acully there iner sexual tendancies are coming out subconsciously. Its been studdied if a woman taks abiut food "shes in the mood". So theses people need to get bent. a shame no one will cause of the crap that must come out of there mouth.
This is an interesting case study about pairing a story with its target audience. I'm sure this type of writing appeals to somebody, but who is that audience? Is that audience big enough to warrant turning over the publishing engine to print this title? If not, what is Marvel doing here? Is it a write off? Is there some hidden purpose for printing this book? It's baffling.
My thoughts exactly. What are the sales numbers for Captain Marvel? Is it just because they have pushed the character so much that they have to keep publishing her in something?
The title keeps going, so I guess there is an audience. TBH, I read the first 8 issues of Thompson's run and it was entertaining. It had a few weird moments like this that I didn't enjoy, but overall it was a fine read. I tend to agree with what Perch says in this video about this sitcom feeling in many current comics, but the part of this series that I read wasn't the worst case. It had moments like that, but not terrible. There are a lot of superhero comics way more boring than this one.
It's the kind of story you get from someone that doesn't want to write a super hero story. Hire a writer that's not a super hero fan and you'll get a story that reads like it was written by someone who's not a fan of the genre.
It’s really sad to see how Carol Danvers has fallen so much. I had a CM fan try to gaslight me in saying I wasn’t a Carol Danvers fan for not liking how she’s been treated. Yeah; I’m totally not a fan. It’s not like I read Claremont short stint and Brian Reed’s run. Or Busiek’s Avengers run which handled her really well? God I despise( strong word I know) folks like that; who won’t acknowledge why folks like me have so many issues with modern Danvers and marvel/DC comics. And you wonder why manga is kicking their butts. Overall Just read old stuff people.And let these folks continue to produce crap until the DC is gone.
A Comic for Lesbians with multiple cats would sell better in the Marvel Universe where the percentage of Lesbians with multiple cats is much higher than it is in the real world .
Sounds like the writer was in a cat cafe thinking about her next issue. I cannot say this enough, most of the violence in comic books has been off-page. It's like watching a WWE wrestling match where there's a sudden black out, then lights come back on and the match is over. That makes me wonder, who is this for?
@B T There are a lot of things where I or people like myself are not the targeted demographic. I accept this and acknowledge there is a market the producer is preferring to focus on but usually it is obvious who that market is why the producer is appealing to them. The original poster’s question is valid. Who is this for? Who is asking for ( and more importantly paying for) a non action hero story where the main character smells like cat piss?
@@nicarde88it seems like this comic should have had cartoonier art (maybe something like that annoying cal arts style) and it should have had a clearer idea of who it wanted as an audience. I think there’s big problems with how it was written but a lot of the weirdness could have been solved by changing the art style. It’s fairly realistically drawn and shaded, which lends itself better to a more serious story. I’m totally ok with stuff being not made for me, but this comic just has an identity crisis.
@@BT-su1yf It has some moments, where I would say it’s for a female audience (all the „girl power“ parts), but I think it’s ultimately just too badly written to fit any audience. The humor is way too bad/gross (jokes about cat pee doesn’t really fit a female audience well on top of that), the action, while sidelined is still there, when any form of romance is absent. We may see lots of „you go girl“ type of characters, but there was nothing about any kind of deeper relationship. So no action and no romance, that means average men and average women are out of the target audience already. Breaking it down, I would say that leaves the following audience: single women with cats that need confirmation that all their life choices were just great, despite them smelling like cat pee way too often. …. but honestly, while it feels like it’s written by that demographic, I doubt that it fits that demographic very well as it is still stuck in too much hero comic stuff and doesn’t do enough slice of life stuff. Though this may be just the issue of the bad writing that makes everything here feel so superficial.
"Is dancing why we live?" asks the woman who can fly through space at faster-than-light speeds. You know what's probably cooler than dancing? Flying. You know what's cooler than flying? Flying through space.
Well actually, flying through empty space would be quite boring, but thanks to Kirby filling it up with lots of fantastic things, flying through space in superhero comics is really the greatest thing.
I rolled my eyes so hard on (b)road trip, it literally hurt. Edit: Comics have always been wish fulfillment, and still are. The problem is the people currently writing them are really, really lame with tiny-brained, pathetic goals in life. Those wishes used to be "save the world, develop amazing new tech, fall in love, etc.". Kelly Thompson's fantasies are "I have friends, I get recognized my a short order diner waitress, I get chatted at by a construction worker, I didn't smell like cat pee, etc.". It's so damn sad, you can't even really get mad. Things like this are why people like me want Marvel and DC to die. They aren't honoring the legacy. They are violating the corpse.
I think this comic might have had a plot but I don't have an electron microscope on me right now to check. "It's okay to punch him because he was rude." Ah, the Pinkett-Smith defence. This whole issue comes across like the departed, somewhat-lamented YBZ said many times: "silly billy". It's an absolute inconsequential nothingburger, peppered with meaningless "you go grrrl" moments, produced by an imbecilic writer who shouldn't even be allowed a biro and a post-it note. And it's a _#1 of a new ongoing series_ for readers to jump onto. The mind boggles.
No, he is actually not that guy. He is the guy that most often says: „people are complaining about the wrong things“. And imo this book is a good example for his viewpoint. Why? Because it shows that the issue isn’t necessarily with writing some books for a different audience than the usual comic book readers, but with the atrocious bad writing (and the wrong distribution channel as it is still sold in the very shops filled with the usual comics crowd only). At least that’s my interpretation of Perch‘s viewpoint, but he also complains a lot about people reading stuff into his videos, so take it with a grain of salt.
This issue is 99% cringe... the remaining 1% is boredom. I understand that not every issue of a series needs to be plot & fight heavy, but this one feels like it is spinning in circles with no direction and a shit ton of random social commentaries.
And it’s market as an entry point for a new story, so all this, that’s the „build up“ for the new story. The very part that’s supposed to set the beats for the new arc. The boring filler parts usually come later as this here is the still interesting beginning, where we as readers get lured in … at least based on the marketing of this issue.
"A superpowered flaming alien just blew up some monsters. It's really dangerous over there, but I better run up to her and demand she wear a skirt. For the patriarchy!" This was stupid in 1970, and Marvel is still doing it 50 years later.
This comic does have all the same boring things from every modern female Superhero comic. They want fans to treat female heroes the same or especially better than the men. Given the narrow nature of these comics, these characters are far worse off than they were when female heroes were supposedly treated badly. Violence against someone for being sexist? (Despite this character being a sexist caricature). Being too good for the same old drooling fans? Being so powerful the only challenge is the annoyance of having to be a hero? The comic isn't a hero comic, it's a relationship comic. But all the straight characters are above having relationships with the stinky men so there's no story. just dance party! It's like "Sex in the City" with all the story removed. Nearly all of the female characters are all this same mono-character. All "besties" who all know each other and can contact each other at any time and act the same way and have the same point of view. No fighting, no conflict. No risk. Just girl power. It's a comic about how all the royals are better than you. After a tough day of protecting your dumb butt, here's them blowing off some steam. Why would anyone want to read this? What does anyone get out of it but the author? And the companies think fans are jerks for not wanting any of this?
Imo this feels more like it is written from an artificial viewpoint of that demographic than actually written for that demographic. My impression is that the writer is just too bad to write something for whatever the target demographic is and instead becomes this kind of trope writing. I think ultimately there is no demographic for this book and it’s mainly sold on collectors and nice cover basis. …. And yes, it totally has a „five things that I encountered while writing the book“ feeling to it, like the writer just filled pages with a mixture of tropes and personal life parts (a very boring personal life). At least that’s my impression from this review.
It feels like the story's out of order. Like start at the diner/girls night out scene, spend some time for the goofy "What are these things you humans call pancakes?" Stuff, have one big fight with the pee cat things when they come to interrupt things, then go to Carol's apartment where she disappears. I don't think it would really fix how bland the story is, but at least it would feel like it's building up to something. This weird meandering nonsense where it goes from action, to slice of life stuff, to action, to slice of life doesn't flow and makes the story feel drawn out.
That's because, for most guys, the pinnacle of the story is the glorious fight scene. That's what the whole story is building toward, that's where all the real interest lies (with character development and dialogue still being important, but slightly secondary to the action). I'm not going to pretend to be an expert at what interests women the most, but I would imagine it's not the fighting. I just saw a video of a couple big male gorillas fighting at the zoo. All the guys there were like "whoa that's amazing!" Clearly getting into it and entertained. All the women in the crowd were yelling "noo" (i kid you not) and clearly upset the fight was happening. I'm not trying to make excuses for this Captain Marvel comic. I agree with you, I thought it was hot garbage. But clearly, the writer isn't writing it for the dudes. So, maybe this comic's story works for someone, somewhere. I dunno. Or maybe it just flat out sucks and nobody would want to read it.
@@BT-su1yf I think that just makes it worse honestly. If we're not trying to appeal to people who like action then the pee cat scenes just screw with the pacing. Take them out, replace them with more scenes about the trip or the party, someone stealthily attacks Carol/slips something into her drink, and then end with Carol vanishing. Still not great, but better paced.
@@fenrir607 I agree. The constant emphasis on cat pee is something the author clearly found to be a laugh riot, and maybe it is for some cat owners, although I know quite a few cat owners who would most likely think these jokes are just dumb. Failed attempts at humor are one of the absolute worst thing you can put into your story. Just look at The Last Jedi.
@@BT-su1yf But even if we assume that it’s written for women, it should still build towards something. Just take a look at soap operas, they are not about fight scenes, but they still have a narrative, some core conflicts that happen and need to be resolved. I may be completely wrong, but I don’t see stuff written for women to be a meandering amalgamation of unconnected pieces with no clear structure and goal, instead it’s just a different kind of conflict and solutions to what men prefer. Imo stuff that attracts lots of women still has to have a working build up and a worthwhile conflict. This here may be written by a woman, but it isn’t necessarily written for women. Imo it’s written for nobody, it’s just a mixture of cheap tropes and „my life with a cat“ in order to fill pages and look like something that could appeal to the „starbucks crowd“ … but I‘m pretty sure it isn’t something that’s actually written for that female audience. TV stuff written for that female audience usually has way better structure and is funnier than this.
@@davidgantenbein9362 No arguments here, this is not a well-written or interesting comic. Oddly enough, it actually feels to me like a comic written by a man who thinks he knows what girls would want to read. It's a bunch of tired tropes strung together in a line to make a meandering, pointless story. It's all the more sad, given the fact that it was written by a woman; you would think there would be some more insightful or "true" feeling moments here.
this shows the type of person these writers are. as far as carol being the voice of the audience I don't think so. She's the author's voice being embarrassed she has to write the fight scenes that she thinks are below he, and doesn't understand how to do.
It’s actually painful to read this trash, it’s just amazing how comics have devolved into this garbage, and it’s 100% the fault of the editors & the CEO. Trash writers are going to write trash, that can’t be helped, but giving them comics and publishing them is beyond insane.
"Why should i hide what i am ?" the SAME bleeding reason Optimus Prime does ! ill give the comic ONE thing. it made itself blindingly obvious that im NOT its target audience.
Wouldn’t any sane human in the Marvel Universe cower in fear any time a superhero visited their establishment - because villains and carnage always follow? I think they would just hide and yell out “Please, take what you want and leave!”
I'm only six minutes in. But it's bad when Perch, one of the most balanced comic discussion people out here, has explained to me why I shouldn't read this comic pretty succinctly.
Glad to see Perch has finally joined the "dark side" xD I fully admit to hate reading this book because Carol Danvers/Ms Marvel was one of my favorite characters and it crushes me how they have just destroyed this character by allowing the DeConnicks, Hausers, and Thompsons of the world to imprint their world views and neuroses on the character. Even the Annual, which came out last week and was arguably better written still had the same angry, arrogant, obnoxious Carol character in it. Thompson is truly awful when it comes to characterization and dialog. She has managed some interesting plot ideas during the run but they are buried under the F level other elements. She also writes the worst interstitial issues between arcs. There was issue 17 "Game Night" which had Carol hosting game night with Monica, Jennifer (Hazmat), Jessica (Spider-Woman), Logan, and Kamala coming over. Of course Kamala brings board games and we get the "ha, ha tee, hee" awkwardness that Thompson loves. She writes Jessica Drew like a 16yr tween. Instead of playing poker, Kamala drags them out to an "escape room" that turns out to be trap for superheroes created by the insert for all the "toxic" comic book fans. It ends with them going to a trivia night are a bar with the final panel of the team exclaiming "Captain America's Butt!" as the answer. Then there is the "memorable" issue 27 where Carol has come back from the future world and broken up with Rhodey. The book opens with her in bed crying about the break-up (which she initiatied). Jessica breaks through the window because Carol isn't answering the door. We get "cute" banter about how Carol smells like stale pizza and Jessica tells her she needs to punch something and drags her off to fight the...Snats! Yes this is their first appearance. Then its a girls night, where they go to a speed dating event with the usual "hilarious" Thompson beliefs on display, another fight with the Snats before she tells everyone off, goes to a bar, looks at a bottle of booze (remember kids, Carol is an alcoholic!) and meets Steven Strange beceause why else would he be in a random bar in Hell's Kitchen! Some more Thompson banter before.. she wakes up the next morning in Steven's bed having had a one-night stand with the Sorcerer Supreme because why not? This leads off to the whole arc where Carol wants to learn magic because it is what she is vulnerable against, etc... This is the level of ideas and writing that Marvel has chosen for allegedly the most powerful and popular hero ever and allegedly one of the tentpole heroes for the future of the MCU. And you wonder why Marvel/Disney is in such creative trouble.
This smacks of bad/lazy writing. If the main thing that sticks out is cat pee, there's something wrong with your story. There are other senses that you can describe. How about sound, touch, sight? There are also different ways to describe what you're experiencing.
I agree with your observations here. While not every story needs intense action scenes, there should be something that actually entices the reader to continue reading. I read the captain marvel annual, having not read any from the last few series, and took it as a simple one off story. It has action but more importantly it had a consistent story that was modestly engaging. But it was one and done. Your review makes it clear to me I will not be jumping on this title despite the new arc because it had nothing to offer. Thank you.
It's almost like they're writing this for a wine mom or some other cat lady type person...I mean clearly the majority of comic readers are said cat ladies right?
Was also my take away … but then I thought „written by isn’t the same as written for“. So ultimately I think it was written from the viewpoint of a „crazy cat lady“ aka single woman with a cat (not saying the author is one, but tried to channel one at least) and definitely tried to find that audience, but it imo misses even that audience due to a lack of substance overall („hey girl power“ and „smells like cat pee“ may fulfill confirmation and representation, but where is the substance? I doubt that the target audience is happy with just the superficial part).
HoX and PoX were were the last gleams of hope I had that Marvel Comics could right their course and return to fun, intriguing stories with great art. They crapped all over that good faith and it’s genuinely depressing to see what they are putting out now.
It's written like a comedy but the characters have no sense of humour. Here's my 'Super Clique' dumb comedy style re-write: For the revenge humour scene, have Binary be like, "What's a skirt?" Carol smiles at the guy and steals his tool belt, and uses her ability to fly to hang it at the top of a telephone pole. And the guy can march off in a huff to get his stuff while his coworkers laugh at him, because you know that they can't stand his awkwardness either. No heros punching normal people. Then no one says, "mmm new normal," becaue that's stupid. And then don't randomly kill a cat, because it isn't fun and it had no lasting impact on the characters anyway. At the end, when everyone puts on a skirt anyway, Binary can be like, "Oh, you do look good in a skirt." and Carol could be like, "Listen, I will explain flirting and the importance of timing to you later." Then they all go out dancing but everyone else runs from the club because the girls all stink of cat piss. Super Clique Fin.
RB Silva did that cover?? Yeegads, after wasting his talent on covers for Children Of The Atom and that DOA New Warriors crap, you can tell how passionless he rendered Carol in this piece.
I’m not familiar with Thompson’s writing, but this issue sounded like it was her attempt at being relatable and life-affirming… Talk about the opposite of relatable and life-affirming…😵💫😵💫😖😖
Kelly Thompson is the worse. I remember it was trying to read one of her issues of Hawkeye that drove me to youtube to see if people were talking about how terrible these books were
I think it's been said in the comments before, but it bears repeating: the typical female superhero comic from Marvel has less action in it than a rerun of a Charlie's Angels episode from the 70s.
I am all in favor of a good SoL superhero story in between heavy story arcs, but I am not sure what to make of this. It doesn't look good to me and generally some of these offbeat types of stories are usually some that grab my interest. Heck two of my favorite comics of the 2010s were Superman #7 (Rebirth Continuity) and Aquaman #28 (New 52 Continuity). Superman #7 was simple and fun: Clark, Lois and Jon go to the local fair. Clark promises Lois that there would be no Superman that day, which Lois doesn't believe (and rightly so). Aquaman #28 takes a slightly different approach to this. Aquaman (begrudgingly) goes to his High School Reunion with Mera. Light hearted attics ensue, but meanwhile villains and side characters keep moving the story forward to the next big thing. SoL is something that manga really does have the advantage on compared to western comics. Manga given the frequency that some of them come out has more breathing room for issues like this. Giving the characters and the reader a minute to catch their breath.
Editor: Catsnakes? Weird, but could be interesting. So it's going to be hard for Captain Marvel and friends to defeat these super powerful wizards riding catsnakes? Thompson: No, it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Isn’t Binary Carol Danvers why are they two separate women. Why is the writing so awful, it’s like they’re taking everything from media and just putting it on the page. They use the same old worn out tropes over and over again. It’s stale and boring and who keeps giving this lady work
To summarise my recent foray into marvel comics, I picked up an amazing spider-man and in a panel he was fighting man eating sandwiches. I rolled my eyes hard and picked up a superman: man of tomorrow tp. Couldn’t have been happier and now back into superman.
not obsessed, the writers ONLY life experiences involve cats, clubbing, eating, and being some flavor of LBGTQ. It's not a deep well to pull from as a writer it seems.
I am generalizing here, but superhero comics used to be primarily a male genre. They were power fantasies with good versus evil combat. This was not a genre that women, in general were drawn to. To draw women and girls, in general, to this genre you have to remove combat with any blood and consequences and move more towards character relationships. DC's The Superhero Girls was brilliant in targeting girl audiences. It cutsied up the heroine's outfits and had them all at Superhero High, and the villains were just mischievous or slightly mean girls. Captain Marvel is basically this written for teen girls and women. So basically you now have two Superhero genres: one for a more male-targeted interests and one for primarily female interests. Overall, based on the numbers, I am guessing that more males enjoy their section of the genre than females do their section, though this might change with time as the genre continues to be tailored to their fantasy interests by these new female writers.
Could this be Kelly Thompson be sick of this and is making fun of current Marvel? “They pay me for this stuff so I’ll give it to them.” Is this too on the nose?
Issues like this is why I’ve dumped superhero books from my pull list. $4.99 for twenty pages of nothing happening and you forget what you’ve read the moment you turn the page. Batman Beyond the White Knight #1 was a disappointing info dump in my opinion, but I’m hoping it kicks into gear in the next issue. SGM is a great artist and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the White Knight universe so far.
Captain Marvel is ironically been rewritten to become more like Powergirl now more than ever. I swear in another situation I would love this characterization.
When whoever first started writing superheroes all quirky and silly in comics during their off-duty times, it was pretty interesting, because it was different, and certain superheroes do feel like they'd fit doing these everyday things, obsessing about food, playing with cats, making bad jokes, etc., when not in a serious situation. Then everyone started to write like this and it's just became bland and predictable.
I wouldn't believe this is a actual comic if you didn't include some of the panels.... Also, did Captain Marvel forgot she very recently almost killed Tony and had a complete meltdown afterward? Nice for her to just took Tony's like it's nothing.
There are so many ways they could've easily improved it, or make it interesting at least. What if there was a fight between Binary and the others stemming from refusing to disguise themselves, and maybe by the end they learn to accept hiding their true form in consideration of others? What if skirt man came back to pester them repeatedly? Maybe he becomes more deranged each time as a surreal joke? Just anything could've made this into something fun and wierd. But no.
If you're trying to explain the story, it helps to consider the likely intended audience. The NPR story Here & Now had a story recently on young adult fiction, which noted that most readers of YA fiction aren't teens &tweens but 20 & 30 something women. Looking up Kelly Thompson, she has some YA work so I suspect her target audience are people who like to read YA fiction which means 20 & 30 something women. Whether that's a good model for superhero comics is debatable but it would explain the writing.
Marvel solicited a Genis-Vell Captain Marvel five issue mini series coming. It'll be interesting to compare the sales numbers of that series with Thompson's Captain Marvel book, eh Perch? 'wink wink' For pure curiosity's sake, I mean
Is Peter David doing it? Edit: Looked it up. He is. Nice. Will pick that up. And will be interested in the numbers. Captain Marvel wasn't a mega-seller back with PAD and Genis, but I'd imagine it outsold most Marvel titles today.
@@ericandrew9214 Yeah, I'm definitely getting this too. I have really enjoyed all of these flashback series by PAD. Although, I'm not sure if this Genis-Vell series is a flashback or current timeline
@@mitchnissen7175 Will be cool to see. Last I saw of Genis was Baron Zemo scattering him throughout several dimensions in Thunderbolts. Would be great if Songbird was in this book, building off Genis and her's future together shown in Avengers Forever.
@@ericandrew9214 That would be great if PAD kept building towards the Avengers Forever future with Genis and Songbird getting together. If I'm not mistaken, Songbird is another good character that Marvel is currently doing nothing with (and haven't for years now), so there's no other book to interfere with. Here's hoping.
@@mitchnissen7175 Yeah. Loved Thunderbolts so Songbird became a fav of mine. I'm kind of glad she is on the shelf because most writers would turn her into a shaved head lesbian now, which is what I don't want. I'd trust PAD with her. Isn't it odd that just citing Avengers Forever continuity is probably more than 90% of current Marvel writers know? Man, what happened?
I haven't read a Marvel book in years, so I'm learning now that they're still writing them like this. Zach did countless review vids of books that were just like this years ago. They write books for no one and then scratch their heads when sales are in the toilet. They hire writers who don't care about writing super hero stories and this is what happens. Filler books about being besties, eating and everyone getting validated for no reason.
That's why the new moon knight comic is so good
All this need to be validated. I wish people would realize that we are all shit so we can get over ourselves and have fun again.
To be fair, if this were a webtoon comic it would be fairly read, problem is, nobody reading webtoons would ever pay 4 bucks per floppy to read this, you can barely get them to pay 1 dollar to read a comic in advance.
The audience (technically) exists, it's just a pipe dream to think they'll ever read it.
You know, smells and tastes are a great way to round out the atmosphere of a comic and draw readers in. The hard, but refreshing taste of an apple. The sticky sweetness of maple syrup on pillowy pancakes. The calming aroma of hot chocolate or chicken noodle soup.
Consistently referring to cat pee is not a way to endear people to your story. It reminds them of foul excretions and cleaning the litter box.
A few years ago something like this would've taken place in one of those parody books.
Definitely feels like that time Deadpool "joined" the Salt Lake Avengers and was upset that Big Burtha's secret identity was a supermodel.
Frank Cho drew a great Captain Marvel. I still think her and Wonder Man would have been a great power couple. They are both super powerful. They have personal issues.
She is an alcoholic, he's terrified of dying.
So they are both super but broken.
Instead of saying Carol being op or Simon mooning over Scarlet Witch, try something new in a story direction. Carol can be interesting.
I’m pretty you mean Ms.Marvel and yes, she used to have a good character back then and a much more appealing design.
Now Civil War 2 and everything going forward has tainted her character for years to come.
"Smells like cat pee" is the perfect description of this issue.
It should have had a scratch and sniff cover and cost $9.99.
So Binary hits a normal human so hard that he needs to be taken to the hospital and Carol and Monica just ignore the felony and walk away? Monica isn't evn sure it's a bad thing? The guy was a little rude but he didn't commit a crime. This binary is a child, why did she even take offense to the guy suggesting a skirt?
6:50 "Why should I hide what I am?"
"That is... a very good argument."
That's a question, Carol, not an argument. Plus, Carol just provided the answer before Binary even asked. Then Carol's explanation was proved immediately correct when they were attacked again. Is that deliberately stupid writing?
More importantly, is it me or do Marvel writers have a bit of an obsession with anachronistic diners? I know these places do still exist, but it doesn't seem like you ever see a bunch of superheroes getting their pancakes (And they're eating so many! How funny is that?) at an ersatz Applebee's.
The diner thing is probably just a visual shorthand. Draw a trailer-shape with a "Diner" sign and include an appropriately dressed waitress, and everyone knows the simplistic old-fashioned wholesome innocent simpleminded style you are going for.
Draw the interior of a modern dinner and you either get a completely generic restaurant with no context (could be a rustic place or a fancy place or a country club or whatever), or you get a not-X (not-Applebees, not-TGIF, etc) which people might try to read as either an endorsement or parody of specifically X.
@@BainesMkII So, it's more storytelling shorthand through established tropes rather than a lack of creativity and laziness*? Okay, yeah, I think that's a plausible explanation. Now I have to wonder why there was a group of apparently random kids playing with a kitten there.
*I guess those don't have to be mutually exclusive, but let's give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.
@@Off-Brand_Devin Using such tropes can certainly still be a lack of creativity and laziness. You only asked why anachronistic diners showed up in Marvel comics. Heck, I've been in multiple such diners and I still find it a bit of a lazy trope. (Ranging from legit "owner could afford a trailer" affairs to full-on "indulging in the visuals for marketing purposes" deal.)
As for the random kids with a kitten, that goes back to the trope. An Applebees isn't going to let in a bunch of random kits with a bat, but of course a generic trailer diner will.
@@BainesMkII Oh, yeah. I just meant to say I think your explanation is a good one, and the rest was the TH-cam comments equivalent of wondering aloud.
acully there iner sexual tendancies are coming out subconsciously. Its been studdied if a woman taks abiut food "shes in the mood". So theses people need to get bent. a shame no one will cause of the crap that must come out of there mouth.
This is an interesting case study about pairing a story with its target audience. I'm sure this type of writing appeals to somebody, but who is that audience? Is that audience big enough to warrant turning over the publishing engine to print this title? If not, what is Marvel doing here? Is it a write off? Is there some hidden purpose for printing this book? It's baffling.
My thoughts exactly. What are the sales numbers for Captain Marvel? Is it just because they have pushed the character so much that they have to keep publishing her in something?
The title keeps going, so I guess there is an audience. TBH, I read the first 8 issues of Thompson's run and it was entertaining. It had a few weird moments like this that I didn't enjoy, but overall it was a fine read. I tend to agree with what Perch says in this video about this sitcom feeling in many current comics, but the part of this series that I read wasn't the worst case. It had moments like that, but not terrible. There are a lot of superhero comics way more boring than this one.
I’m thinking money laundering…
It's the kind of story you get from someone that doesn't want to write a super hero story. Hire a writer that's not a super hero fan and you'll get a story that reads like it was written by someone who's not a fan of the genre.
At this point I think they are going to take this to issue 51 to beat the 50 issue Ms. Marvel by Brian Reed . Take THAT Patriarchy .
It’s really sad to see how Carol Danvers has fallen so much. I had a CM fan try to gaslight me in saying I wasn’t a Carol Danvers fan for not liking how she’s been treated. Yeah; I’m totally not a fan. It’s not like I read Claremont short stint and Brian Reed’s run. Or Busiek’s Avengers run which handled her really well? God I despise( strong word I know) folks like that; who won’t acknowledge why folks like me have so many issues with modern Danvers and marvel/DC comics. And you wonder why manga is kicking their butts. Overall Just read old stuff people.And let these folks continue to produce crap until the DC is gone.
I know Carol Danvers was better as Ms. Marvel, than Kamala Khan. I would love to get her back and ANY one of her previous costumes.
@@RollingDodge ..along with a competent writer right? RIGHT???
A Comic for Lesbians with multiple cats would sell better in the Marvel Universe where the percentage of Lesbians with multiple cats is much higher than it is in the real world .
The writer sure wants the readers to think about cat pee... Weird.
Sounds like the writer was in a cat cafe thinking about her next issue. I cannot say this enough, most of the violence in comic books has been off-page. It's like watching a WWE wrestling match where there's a sudden black out, then lights come back on and the match is over. That makes me wonder, who is this for?
Short answer: not for you.
@B T There are a lot of things where I or people like myself are not the targeted demographic. I accept this and acknowledge there is a market the producer is preferring to focus on but usually it is obvious who that market is why the producer is appealing to them. The original poster’s question is valid. Who is this for? Who is asking for ( and more importantly paying for) a non action hero story where the main character smells like cat piss?
@@nicarde88it seems like this comic should have had cartoonier art (maybe something like that annoying cal arts style) and it should have had a clearer idea of who it wanted as an audience. I think there’s big problems with how it was written but a lot of the weirdness could have been solved by changing the art style. It’s fairly realistically drawn and shaded, which lends itself better to a more serious story.
I’m totally ok with stuff being not made for me, but this comic just has an identity crisis.
@@BT-su1yf It has some moments, where I would say it’s for a female audience (all the „girl power“ parts), but I think it’s ultimately just too badly written to fit any audience. The humor is way too bad/gross (jokes about cat pee doesn’t really fit a female audience well on top of that), the action, while sidelined is still there, when any form of romance is absent. We may see lots of „you go girl“ type of characters, but there was nothing about any kind of deeper relationship. So no action and no romance, that means average men and average women are out of the target audience already.
Breaking it down, I would say that leaves the following audience: single women with cats that need confirmation that all their life choices were just great, despite them smelling like cat pee way too often. …. but honestly, while it feels like it’s written by that demographic, I doubt that it fits that demographic very well as it is still stuck in too much hero comic stuff and doesn’t do enough slice of life stuff. Though this may be just the issue of the bad writing that makes everything here feel so superficial.
Sounds like she was just sitting in her apartment living her normal life
Woman fighting bros, food humor, cats, character affirmation, one line with some form of awareness. What more could you want? /sarcasm
"Is dancing why we live?" asks the woman who can fly through space at faster-than-light speeds.
You know what's probably cooler than dancing? Flying. You know what's cooler than flying? Flying through space.
Well actually, flying through empty space would be quite boring, but thanks to Kirby filling it up with lots of fantastic things, flying through space in superhero comics is really the greatest thing.
I rolled my eyes so hard on (b)road trip, it literally hurt.
Edit: Comics have always been wish fulfillment, and still are. The problem is the people currently writing them are really, really lame with tiny-brained, pathetic goals in life. Those wishes used to be "save the world, develop amazing new tech, fall in love, etc.". Kelly Thompson's fantasies are "I have friends, I get recognized my a short order diner waitress, I get chatted at by a construction worker, I didn't smell like cat pee, etc.". It's so damn sad, you can't even really get mad. Things like this are why people like me want Marvel and DC to die. They aren't honoring the legacy. They are violating the corpse.
at least there was some entertainment to be had
You're absolutely right. This kind of story is just so small and banal. Like the writers can't imagine anything more.
@@njalsand133 Yes, from Perch!!!
@@JennySparkz dejavu
I actually did not like this Black Widow run very much but danm this makes the Widow run look much better in comparison.
I suspect that Captain Marvel comics have been used to line kitty litter boxes for some time. Finally, art imitates life.
I think this comic might have had a plot but I don't have an electron microscope on me right now to check.
"It's okay to punch him because he was rude."
Ah, the Pinkett-Smith defence.
This whole issue comes across like the departed, somewhat-lamented YBZ said many times: "silly billy". It's an absolute inconsequential nothingburger, peppered with meaningless "you go grrrl" moments, produced by an imbecilic writer who shouldn't even be allowed a biro and a post-it note.
And it's a _#1 of a new ongoing series_ for readers to jump onto. The mind boggles.
It looks like this comic wasn't written but cobbled together from dozens of posts from some Facebook group called Moms Who Live on Wine and MEMES
Aren't you usually the guy who always says, "comic books are doing great! Why are people complaining?" I think this is why they are complaining!
No, he is actually not that guy. He is the guy that most often says: „people are complaining about the wrong things“. And imo this book is a good example for his viewpoint. Why? Because it shows that the issue isn’t necessarily with writing some books for a different audience than the usual comic book readers, but with the atrocious bad writing (and the wrong distribution channel as it is still sold in the very shops filled with the usual comics crowd only).
At least that’s my interpretation of Perch‘s viewpoint, but he also complains a lot about people reading stuff into his videos, so take it with a grain of salt.
Wonder if the writter lives sorrounded by cat pee so it found it relatable
This issue is 99% cringe... the remaining 1% is boredom. I understand that not every issue of a series needs to be plot & fight heavy, but this one feels like it is spinning in circles with no direction and a shit ton of random social commentaries.
Yeah... that's been the whole series. I subjected myself to the first 33 issues.
@@mietha37Save your money next time and only buy back issues! You are only encouraging them to continue destroying a once great past time!
And it’s market as an entry point for a new story, so all this, that’s the „build up“ for the new story. The very part that’s supposed to set the beats for the new arc. The boring filler parts usually come later as this here is the still interesting beginning, where we as readers get lured in … at least based on the marketing of this issue.
"A superpowered flaming alien just blew up some monsters. It's really dangerous over there, but I better run up to her and demand she wear a skirt. For the patriarchy!"
This was stupid in 1970, and Marvel is still doing it 50 years later.
Just more bad writing. Marvel comics needs new leadership, someone that can rule with a iron fist of quality and continuity.
This comic does have all the same boring things from every modern female Superhero comic. They want fans to treat female heroes the same or especially better than the men. Given the narrow nature of these comics, these characters are far worse off than they were when female heroes were supposedly treated badly.
Violence against someone for being sexist? (Despite this character being a sexist caricature). Being too good for the same old drooling fans? Being so powerful the only challenge is the annoyance of having to be a hero?
The comic isn't a hero comic, it's a relationship comic. But all the straight characters are above having relationships with the stinky men so there's no story. just dance party! It's like "Sex in the City" with all the story removed.
Nearly all of the female characters are all this same mono-character. All "besties" who all know each other and can contact each other at any time and act the same way and have the same point of view. No fighting, no conflict. No risk. Just girl power.
It's a comic about how all the royals are better than you. After a tough day of protecting your dumb butt, here's them blowing off some steam.
Why would anyone want to read this? What does anyone get out of it but the author?
And the companies think fans are jerks for not wanting any of this?
They seem to be hiring writers who only appeal to a certain demographic that doesn’t spend money.
Imo this feels more like it is written from an artificial viewpoint of that demographic than actually written for that demographic. My impression is that the writer is just too bad to write something for whatever the target demographic is and instead becomes this kind of trope writing. I think ultimately there is no demographic for this book and it’s mainly sold on collectors and nice cover basis. …. And yes, it totally has a „five things that I encountered while writing the book“ feeling to it, like the writer just filled pages with a mixture of tropes and personal life parts (a very boring personal life). At least that’s my impression from this review.
Why is Binary a separate entity from Carol Danvers now?
The Character that you’re referencing as the woman that’s made of stars is the character Singularity. She was a member of A-Force
If Perch of all people didn't recognize her, that says a lot about A Force.
It feels like the story's out of order. Like start at the diner/girls night out scene, spend some time for the goofy "What are these things you humans call pancakes?" Stuff, have one big fight with the pee cat things when they come to interrupt things, then go to Carol's apartment where she disappears. I don't think it would really fix how bland the story is, but at least it would feel like it's building up to something. This weird meandering nonsense where it goes from action, to slice of life stuff, to action, to slice of life doesn't flow and makes the story feel drawn out.
That's because, for most guys, the pinnacle of the story is the glorious fight scene. That's what the whole story is building toward, that's where all the real interest lies (with character development and dialogue still being important, but slightly secondary to the action).
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert at what interests women the most, but I would imagine it's not the fighting. I just saw a video of a couple big male gorillas fighting at the zoo. All the guys there were like "whoa that's amazing!" Clearly getting into it and entertained. All the women in the crowd were yelling "noo" (i kid you not) and clearly upset the fight was happening.
I'm not trying to make excuses for this Captain Marvel comic. I agree with you, I thought it was hot garbage. But clearly, the writer isn't writing it for the dudes. So, maybe this comic's story works for someone, somewhere. I dunno. Or maybe it just flat out sucks and nobody would want to read it.
@@BT-su1yf
I think that just makes it worse honestly. If we're not trying to appeal to people who like action then the pee cat scenes just screw with the pacing. Take them out, replace them with more scenes about the trip or the party, someone stealthily attacks Carol/slips something into her drink, and then end with Carol vanishing. Still not great, but better paced.
@@fenrir607 I agree. The constant emphasis on cat pee is something the author clearly found to be a laugh riot, and maybe it is for some cat owners, although I know quite a few cat owners who would most likely think these jokes are just dumb. Failed attempts at humor are one of the absolute worst thing you can put into your story. Just look at The Last Jedi.
@@BT-su1yf But even if we assume that it’s written for women, it should still build towards something. Just take a look at soap operas, they are not about fight scenes, but they still have a narrative, some core conflicts that happen and need to be resolved. I may be completely wrong, but I don’t see stuff written for women to be a meandering amalgamation of unconnected pieces with no clear structure and goal, instead it’s just a different kind of conflict and solutions to what men prefer. Imo stuff that attracts lots of women still has to have a working build up and a worthwhile conflict.
This here may be written by a woman, but it isn’t necessarily written for women. Imo it’s written for nobody, it’s just a mixture of cheap tropes and „my life with a cat“ in order to fill pages and look like something that could appeal to the „starbucks crowd“ … but I‘m pretty sure it isn’t something that’s actually written for that female audience. TV stuff written for that female audience usually has way better structure and is funnier than this.
@@davidgantenbein9362 No arguments here, this is not a well-written or interesting comic. Oddly enough, it actually feels to me like a comic written by a man who thinks he knows what girls would want to read. It's a bunch of tired tropes strung together in a line to make a meandering, pointless story. It's all the more sad, given the fact that it was written by a woman; you would think there would be some more insightful or "true" feeling moments here.
this shows the type of person these writers are. as far as carol being the voice of the audience I don't think so. She's the author's voice being embarrassed she has to write the fight scenes that she thinks are below he, and doesn't understand how to do.
It’s actually painful to read this trash, it’s just amazing how comics have devolved into this garbage, and it’s 100% the fault of the editors & the CEO. Trash writers are going to write trash, that can’t be helped, but giving them comics and publishing them is beyond insane.
there super cheap . they work for less than a buggy boy at your nearist grocerie store!
"Why should i hide what i am ?"
the SAME bleeding reason Optimus Prime does !
ill give the comic ONE thing. it made itself blindingly obvious that im NOT its target audience.
Current Marvel Comics...the BEST toilet paper in existence.
Na, too glossy. Could still use it in a bird cage.
Honestly true😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wouldn’t any sane human in the Marvel Universe cower in fear any time a superhero visited their establishment - because villains and carnage always follow? I think they would just hide and yell out “Please, take what you want and leave!”
Bring back the the original Carol Danvers, with a BETTER writer and costume.
Agreed, Carol will always be Ms Marvel, Binary & Warbird.
So this was just a comic episode of "Friends" sitcom. Marvel truly is out of creativity 🤣
This is a comic for your weird aunt that just can't find a good man and can't figure out why.
but she would not buy this just more booze.
I'm only six minutes in.
But it's bad when Perch, one of the most balanced comic discussion people out here, has explained to me why I shouldn't read this comic pretty succinctly.
Glad to see Perch has finally joined the "dark side" xD I fully admit to hate reading this book because Carol Danvers/Ms Marvel was one of my favorite characters and it crushes me how they have just destroyed this character by allowing the DeConnicks, Hausers, and Thompsons of the world to imprint their world views and neuroses on the character. Even the Annual, which came out last week and was arguably better written still had the same angry, arrogant, obnoxious Carol character in it.
Thompson is truly awful when it comes to characterization and dialog. She has managed some interesting plot ideas during the run but they are buried under the F level other elements. She also writes the worst interstitial issues between arcs. There was issue 17 "Game Night" which had Carol hosting game night with Monica, Jennifer (Hazmat), Jessica (Spider-Woman), Logan, and Kamala coming over. Of course Kamala brings board games and we get the "ha, ha tee, hee" awkwardness that Thompson loves. She writes Jessica Drew like a 16yr tween. Instead of playing poker, Kamala drags them out to an "escape room" that turns out to be trap for superheroes created by the insert for all the "toxic" comic book fans. It ends with them going to a trivia night are a bar with the final panel of the team exclaiming "Captain America's Butt!" as the answer.
Then there is the "memorable" issue 27 where Carol has come back from the future world and broken up with Rhodey. The book opens with her in bed crying about the break-up (which she initiatied). Jessica breaks through the window because Carol isn't answering the door. We get "cute" banter about how Carol smells like stale pizza and Jessica tells her she needs to punch something and drags her off to fight the...Snats! Yes this is their first appearance. Then its a girls night, where they go to a speed dating event with the usual "hilarious" Thompson beliefs on display, another fight with the Snats before she tells everyone off, goes to a bar, looks at a bottle of booze (remember kids, Carol is an alcoholic!) and meets Steven Strange beceause why else would he be in a random bar in Hell's Kitchen! Some more Thompson banter before.. she wakes up the next morning in Steven's bed having had a one-night stand with the Sorcerer Supreme because why not? This leads off to the whole arc where Carol wants to learn magic because it is what she is vulnerable against, etc...
This is the level of ideas and writing that Marvel has chosen for allegedly the most powerful and popular hero ever and allegedly one of the tentpole heroes for the future of the MCU.
And you wonder why Marvel/Disney is in such creative trouble.
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This smacks of bad/lazy writing. If the main thing that sticks out is cat pee, there's something wrong with your story. There are other senses that you can describe. How about sound, touch, sight? There are also different ways to describe what you're experiencing.
This is one of those comics Zach just has to point and go "yeah"
That's a hell of a title, Perch.
I agree with your observations here. While not every story needs intense action scenes, there should be something that actually entices the reader to continue reading. I read the captain marvel annual, having not read any from the last few series, and took it as a simple one off story. It has action but more importantly it had a consistent story that was modestly engaging. But it was one and done. Your review makes it clear to me I will not be jumping on this title despite the new arc because it had nothing to offer. Thank you.
Didn't you make this video like 3 years ago, Zack?
The curious case of Dr. Perch and ya boi Mr. Zak
It's almost like they're writing this for a wine mom or some other cat lady type person...I mean clearly the majority of comic readers are said cat ladies right?
Was also my take away … but then I thought „written by isn’t the same as written for“. So ultimately I think it was written from the viewpoint of a „crazy cat lady“ aka single woman with a cat (not saying the author is one, but tried to channel one at least) and definitely tried to find that audience, but it imo misses even that audience due to a lack of substance overall („hey girl power“ and „smells like cat pee“ may fulfill confirmation and representation, but where is the substance? I doubt that the target audience is happy with just the superficial part).
So I'm obviously missing something, but when did Binary become a separate character from Carol?
HoX and PoX were were the last gleams of hope I had that Marvel Comics could right their course and return to fun, intriguing stories with great art. They crapped all over that good faith and it’s genuinely depressing to see what they are putting out now.
It's written like a comedy but the characters have no sense of humour. Here's my 'Super Clique' dumb comedy style re-write:
For the revenge humour scene, have Binary be like, "What's a skirt?" Carol smiles at the guy and steals his tool belt, and uses her ability to fly to hang it at the top of a telephone pole. And the guy can march off in a huff to get his stuff while his coworkers laugh at him, because you know that they can't stand his awkwardness either. No heros punching normal people.
Then no one says, "mmm new normal," becaue that's stupid.
And then don't randomly kill a cat, because it isn't fun and it had no lasting impact on the characters anyway.
At the end, when everyone puts on a skirt anyway, Binary can be like, "Oh, you do look good in a skirt." and Carol could be like, "Listen, I will explain flirting and the importance of timing to you later." Then they all go out dancing but everyone else runs from the club because the girls all stink of cat piss.
Super Clique Fin.
RB Silva did that cover?? Yeegads, after wasting his talent on covers for Children Of The Atom and that DOA New Warriors crap, you can tell how passionless he rendered Carol in this piece.
I’m not familiar with Thompson’s writing, but this issue sounded like it was her attempt at being relatable and life-affirming… Talk about the opposite of relatable and life-affirming…😵💫😵💫😖😖
Forced diversity hiring leads to just this sort of general incompetence.
Kelly Thompson is the worse. I remember it was trying to read one of her issues of Hawkeye that drove me to youtube to see if people were talking about how terrible these books were
The definition of not even trying to do your job.
This just makes me miss Carol Danvers' Binary.
What do you mean, Kelly Thompson isn't Eleanor Abernathy's pen name?
I think it's been said in the comments before, but it bears repeating: the typical female superhero comic from Marvel has less action in it than a rerun of a Charlie's Angels episode from the 70s.
It has less action in it than a typical I Dream of Jeanie episode from the 1960s!
How the hell is Binary a separate entity from Carol??
I am all in favor of a good SoL superhero story in between heavy story arcs, but I am not sure what to make of this. It doesn't look good to me and generally some of these offbeat types of stories are usually some that grab my interest. Heck two of my favorite comics of the 2010s were Superman #7 (Rebirth Continuity) and Aquaman #28 (New 52 Continuity). Superman #7 was simple and fun: Clark, Lois and Jon go to the local fair. Clark promises Lois that there would be no Superman that day, which Lois doesn't believe (and rightly so). Aquaman #28 takes a slightly different approach to this. Aquaman (begrudgingly) goes to his High School Reunion with Mera. Light hearted attics ensue, but meanwhile villains and side characters keep moving the story forward to the next big thing. SoL is something that manga really does have the advantage on compared to western comics. Manga given the frequency that some of them come out has more breathing room for issues like this. Giving the characters and the reader a minute to catch their breath.
I haven’t read comics in a while so, when did Binary turn into Starfire?
A nice jumping on point to jump off. \m/
I thought Binary was another name for Warbird/Ms Marvel when she got supercharged???
Editor: Catsnakes? Weird, but could be interesting. So it's going to be hard for Captain Marvel and friends to defeat these super powerful wizards riding catsnakes?
Thompson: No, it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Where the did Binary come from? Does Carol no longer have the ability to access that form now?
Marvel needs to clean house to get rid of that cat pee smell.
Thanks for reminding why I only read crowdfunded books these days.
Well scat fetish exists (ugh), so who's to say pee fetish does too?
Those dang weirdos...
Captain Marvel is the Typhoid Mary of SJW comic tropes that destroyed western superhero comics.
This makes me want to read literally anything by Garth Ennis just to cleanse my pallete
Binary? They can't call the character Gender Fluid?
Isn’t Binary Carol Danvers why are they two separate women. Why is the writing so awful, it’s like they’re taking everything from media and just putting it on the page. They use the same old worn out tropes over and over again. It’s stale and boring and who keeps giving this lady work
To summarise my recent foray into marvel comics, I picked up an amazing spider-man and in a panel he was fighting man eating sandwiches. I rolled my eyes hard and picked up a superman: man of tomorrow tp. Couldn’t have been happier and now back into superman.
not obsessed, the writers ONLY life experiences involve cats, clubbing, eating, and being some flavor of LBGTQ. It's not a deep well to pull from as a writer it seems.
I am generalizing here, but superhero comics used to be primarily a male genre. They were power fantasies with good versus evil combat. This was not a genre that women, in general were drawn to. To draw women and girls, in general, to this genre you have to remove combat with any blood and consequences and move more towards character relationships. DC's The Superhero Girls was brilliant in targeting girl audiences. It cutsied up the heroine's outfits and had them all at Superhero High, and the villains were just mischievous or slightly mean girls. Captain Marvel is basically this written for teen girls and women. So basically you now have two Superhero genres: one for a more male-targeted interests and one for primarily female interests. Overall, based on the numbers, I am guessing that more males enjoy their section of the genre than females do their section, though this might change with time as the genre continues to be tailored to their fantasy interests by these new female writers.
Someone got a big boy microphone!
What's the cover date on this comic, April 1st?
Marvel can rescue their IP from incompetence anytime they're ready.
Could this be Kelly Thompson be sick of this and is making fun of current Marvel? “They pay me for this stuff so I’ll give it to them.” Is this too on the nose?
Hanlon's razor
She is captain Karen.
Captain Marvel is the CW tv show remake of Thelma & Louise for Marvelle.
Issues like this is why I’ve dumped superhero books from my pull list. $4.99 for twenty pages of nothing happening and you forget what you’ve read the moment you turn the page.
Batman Beyond the White Knight #1 was a disappointing info dump in my opinion, but I’m hoping it kicks into gear in the next issue. SGM is a great artist and I’ve thoroughly enjoyed the White Knight universe so far.
The way you describe it, it reads like a dorky girl fantasy instead of a dorky guy fantasy like the traditional superhero comics
I read great things about Kelly Sue DeConnick’s work on Carol Danvers. Does anyone else recommend it?
Wait, did you, or ya boi not review a practically identical comic like this a while ago?
Captain Marvel is ironically been rewritten to become more like Powergirl now more than ever. I swear in another situation I would love this characterization.
Did you say there was a scene of a guy trying to make someone wear a skirt? lol
jump on now for a new arc!!!
NORM!
When whoever first started writing superheroes all quirky and silly in comics during their off-duty times, it was pretty interesting, because it was different, and certain superheroes do feel like they'd fit doing these everyday things, obsessing about food, playing with cats, making bad jokes, etc., when not in a serious situation.
Then everyone started to write like this and it's just became bland and predictable.
It feels almost as if Thompson is trolling the audience.
It looks like a comic of Sex And The City, with cat hatred.
I wouldn't believe this is a actual comic if you didn't include some of the panels....
Also, did Captain Marvel forgot she very recently almost killed Tony and had a complete meltdown afterward? Nice for her to just took Tony's like it's nothing.
She forgot about Civil War 2 literally a month after the series ended.
Fitting she and Tony started that storyline getting drunk at a party.
There are so many ways they could've easily improved it, or make it interesting at least.
What if there was a fight between Binary and the others stemming from refusing to disguise themselves, and maybe by the end they learn to accept hiding their true form in consideration of others?
What if skirt man came back to pester them repeatedly? Maybe he becomes more deranged each time as a surreal joke?
Just anything could've made this into something fun and wierd. But no.
You mean, adding an actual plot instead of random things that happened, would have improved the book? …. Well, yes, I guess you’re right /s
One question. Did Carol Danvers culturally appropriate Monica Rambeau's Captain Marvel code name?
This seems more like an anime
Who is this for...?
Lonely middle aged feminist cat ladies
How the fuck can Carol Danvers be talking to Binary when Binary IS Carol Danvers?
How long until we get another Captain Marvel #1?
If you're trying to explain the story, it helps to consider the likely intended audience. The NPR story Here & Now had a story recently on young adult fiction, which noted that most readers of YA fiction aren't teens &tweens but 20 & 30 something women. Looking up Kelly Thompson, she has some YA work so I suspect her target audience are people who like to read YA fiction which means 20 & 30 something women. Whether that's a good model for superhero comics is debatable but it would explain the writing.
Marvel solicited a Genis-Vell Captain Marvel five issue mini series coming. It'll be interesting to compare the sales numbers of that series with Thompson's Captain Marvel book, eh Perch? 'wink wink' For pure curiosity's sake, I mean
Is Peter David doing it?
Edit: Looked it up. He is. Nice. Will pick that up. And will be interested in the numbers. Captain Marvel wasn't a mega-seller back with PAD and Genis, but I'd imagine it outsold most Marvel titles today.
@@ericandrew9214 Yeah, I'm definitely getting this too. I have really enjoyed all of these flashback series by PAD. Although, I'm not sure if this Genis-Vell series is a flashback or current timeline
@@mitchnissen7175 Will be cool to see. Last I saw of Genis was Baron Zemo scattering him throughout several dimensions in Thunderbolts. Would be great if Songbird was in this book, building off Genis and her's future together shown in Avengers Forever.
@@ericandrew9214 That would be great if PAD kept building towards the Avengers Forever future with Genis and Songbird getting together. If I'm not mistaken, Songbird is another good character that Marvel is currently doing nothing with (and haven't for years now), so there's no other book to interfere with. Here's hoping.
@@mitchnissen7175 Yeah. Loved Thunderbolts so Songbird became a fav of mine. I'm kind of glad she is on the shelf because most writers would turn her into a shaved head lesbian now, which is what I don't want. I'd trust PAD with her.
Isn't it odd that just citing Avengers Forever continuity is probably more than 90% of current Marvel writers know? Man, what happened?