TEAM TALK: THE BIGGEST MARINE INDUSTRY CONSPIRACY EVER!!! (ARE THEY LYING???)
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- TEAM TALK: THE BIGGEST MARINE INDUSTRY CONSPIRACY EVER!!! (ARE THEY LYING???)
Have they been lying this whole time? What's the deal? Why can boat builders get a near unlimited supply of outboards when us small guys get told over and over by our reps that there just aren't any outboards available! This needs to stop! Let's demand better from our manufacturers or atleast demand the truth! Comment below on if you were upsold into a new rig when all you wanted was to repower.
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The whole entire USA economy and the covid scam explained by a boat mechanic. I have always loved your red blooded, no bullshit approach keep it coming. I believe this is exactly what happened.
Once again Andy you are only one telling the truth in this industry.
I will say in 2020 I ordered a 2021 alumacraft trophy 185 with Yamaha motors drive and kicker big dealer boat came in with no motors and they couldn't get them I waited 3 months and then got my deposit back on the whole deal kept my old boat then finally bought a 2022 that was on the floor with mercury motors
About a month ago Ford executive stated on video that they are purposely slowing production to keep the price of their vehicles artificially high. Keep supply low to keep demand high.
It will be a cold day in hell before I buy a Ford. What you pointed out is happening everywhere.
Well spoken Sir.
Ford went "Woke", too. I'm out
Thanks for being real Andy, COVID was the easy scapegoat for far to many things, and almost nobody questioned that response
You can bet Johnny is getting all the motors he wants, lol. But, I completely agree with you Andy, as usual.
IMHO... You are on point. America NEEDS MORE PEOPLE LIKE YOU! Thank You for ALL YOU DO!
Andy you are absolutely correct! I shared this video with a friend of mine who is a mercury dealer and this is what he sent me back.
“Mercury rep told me, if you don't get engines 5 guys loose a job. If boat builders don't get engines, 800 people loose their jobs.” You nailed it!
I was thinking the same thing. In my estimation what they did was a sound strategy. If you want to blame people, don't blame the boat motor companies; blame the lockdown fanatics. Lockdowns killed our economy not the bad flu.
Mercer lives in a sugar coated world, he WILL NOT risk having you on!
I don’t mind Mercers podcast now and again, but you aren’t wrong. He won’t say anything remotely controversial
Damn Andy, you definitely hit the nail on the head. Corporate will always make the money but the "real workers" will struggle, especially in times like Covid, Recession, etc. If I lived in your area I'd use your shop as my repair shop for sure! We all look forward to your videos because your the Trump of Boat Service!! Keep making us proud, Sir
Blame the people who caused all these problems. The lockdown Nazis. They are the cause. Vote accordingly.
Hey Andy, I'm the guy from Texas that called you about re-powering 3 months ago, in which you stated it would take 6+ months to get a motor. You said it would be easier for me to call dealers and ask if they would sell me one and ship it to you for mounting. Wellllll, I called 8 dealers and NOT 1 had a motor, that wasn't already mounted to a NEW boat, to sell.
This BS the motor manufacturers and mega dealers are pulling on us is an absolute crock of 💩!!!
I agree. Had a buddy who's rebuilt merc 200 died on us during a tournament last spring. He looked into a new 200 Merc to put on his Nitro and could not find anywhere. Finally one dealer said hey we will just pull one off of this pontoon boat we just got in. Got him a new motor and when he picked it up the sales guy said they ordered a motor for there floor model pontoon they took his motor on and it came in that morning. But they couldn't order one for him to replace because they were told 6 months to get one in. the dealer called the pontoon manufacture and they sent them one to replace the motor. funny how that works.
Good for you Andy, behind you 1000%. These corporations have used the consumer for years upon years. I’m a plain ole working class proud to be so American. These boat companies have priced me out of owning a new boat and good luck getting a new outboard so i can enjoy the sport i love so. Thank you so much for being the voice of the working man.
Right on point. I bought a boat during covid and i didn't want a motor because i had a 250. My dealer asked me if i could request a motor and they would take it off and sell me my boat for the agreed price. Then they sold the motor to another customer.
You nailed it down, I been trying to repower for the last 3 years in Saudi Arabia
Finally I managed to get 3x300’s yamahas
Nice, you will be happy with them. Hello from 🇺🇸
Ready for the bottom to fall out of these prices. 40k for a 15 year old boats is absolutely insane
Just like buying a used pick up...JUNK ! and they want a gold fillings out of your teeth !
Prices are staring to come down in the Midwest now.
I dealt with this exact problem. You are 100% correct. Like the auto industry the big corporations corn holed us
Your exactly right. We are from Smallville USA. I wish I just didn’t live 12 hours from LaCross. I have a G2 and I’m now think of Suzuki sense I’ve been watching your channel. Please keep up your good work with this channel .
I’m in my early twenties, been fishing out of a 16ft aluminum boat with a 50hp for 4-5 years that I bought for $1500. Got a decent job getting close to the point I wanna do an upgrade and get into something different. But in this market it’s impossible to find something reasonable. Saving money hopefully I can stay stable when everything crashes and buy a nice phoenix from a bank lol.
It's not there yet. When you hear about companies laying off the type of people who fish, boat deals will be around a few months later. So far, high-tech, HR, and banker workers are getting the axe. But if you follow the hidden news, people are not buying cars and trucks. That means the workers will soon have their hours cut or sent home. Boat payments will come after food, shelter, and transportation. It's coming; save your money and keep your job!
I work for a small marina in upstate ny and can honestly say I’ve been saying the same thing for the last three years . We are selling boats with brand new mercurys on them but yet when a customer comes in to try and buy a simple 9.9 to use as a kicker motor on his salmon rig we can’t get one . I’ve had to convert at least 3 tiller motors we had in boxes to remote for these boats at an additional cost of about $1000 . Preach on Brother you’re right ! If you want o do another video on this subject I’d be happy to fly out to Wisconsin and back you up 100%!
Floor plan is the Key to this. Motor builders teamed with boat builders because they could get their money from dealers. I saw this in the mid to late 80’s. Major boat builders required dealers to take a quantity of boats and huge floor plans payments. Mariner was about the only way that you could get small outboards.
Pencil pushes and folks that never wet a hook are what are driving this.
You are exactly right I waited 12 months for my sea pro I was told by the dealer Mercury had to fulfill its contracts with the dealer's first.
Andy is 100000% keeping it real on his outlook and videos!!!!
Spot on Andy! It's not just the boating industry either. Consumers haven't been "customers" for a long time - I doubt customers are even considered Marks these days. Pathetic!
Andy RIGHT ON....I been interested in repowering my Ranger 520 with a Mercury 225 Pro XS 4 stroke. Last 2 years I've been getting delivery dates of 9-18-month deliveries with $500-$2000 dollars down. One dealer even said half down. I'm not giving anyone $2000 down on something I not going to receive for 9-12 months. I will run my 2002 Mercury Optimax till it dies, then I'll make my decision. It will not be a new boat for $80,000.... probably a rebuild. Thanks for what you do.
TRUTH!!!
I was out of the water for 6 months because my motor blew and NONE of the local dealers would work on it (200 Merc EFI) it’s too old they said. They can’t get parts and don’t want to bother with older motors. They mentioned that they have new boats in stock that I could trade in my boat. At $70K minimum, I couldn’t afford it without selling everything I had and going into debt.
Had to find a mechanic 100 miles away to work on it, then we had to scour the used motor market for 3 months before we found a suitable powerhead from a reputable used motor dealer.
You are my hero. Thanks for the truth. I wanted to take a vacation for you to install a F70 , but I had it done here and got lucky. Thanks you.
Absolute Honesty real with the people no filter 💯 love this guy 👌👊
1980’s Yamaha was really not well known in Louisiana. What got them in the market is going to service centers and selling motors to people who repower or bought boat looked for motor. Cheaper, came with prop (Mercury & OMC did not) and fuel tank. They were $500 cheaper. Then oilfield companies and commercial fishermen put them on their boats. Then we had local aluminum boat builders who went from OMC & Mercury to Yamaha. All of a sudden Yamaha became a player.
Local small guy that had a shop and sold engines made Yamaha and got them in the market dominated by OMC & Brunswick Marine (Mercury/Mariner/force).
Team Marine is the shit! You WILL continue to grow this channel! It’s true to the heart man talk about the marine industry. Always look forward to a new vid!
100% Andy. I've only been waiting 13 months for a motor I already paid for. Every time you say "Jordan", I think you are talking directly to me...which is nice.
Thanks Andy for telling the truth to the bass boat,bass fishing industry! I order an 250 mercury in July 2022 and got it in January 2023 and my dealer told me that usually it’s up to a year.
Just watched your father tribute video a while back. Your father raised a great man. Keep doing you Andy. This industry needs more leaders like you.
I’m glad I didn’t have to deal with this on the marine diesel side of the industry.
Beside ZF transmissions and Cummins dropping the ball everyone else kept up with supply(for the most part).
You're partially right on the motor thing, great video.
Tell us how you really feel Andy!! But I’m pretty sure you are spot on! F#*~ the consumer.. it’s becoming the American way. Keep calling them out!! Way to go!!
Thanks Andy and Team Marine.
I should wait until you are done. One dealer couldn't get tin boats or motors. The other one tried to put me in a new boat. That's why I'm still running my skeeter with a old evenrude 70.
Keep it up!!! Stay the path of looking out for all consumers!!
You
Are absolutely right.These things happen here too(Finland)
I just turned 24. Finally to the age I would love a new glass boat, but it’s ridiculous what they cost. I’ll keep my aluminum 115hp.
I absolutely believe this to be true. I know a little over a year ago it was hard to find places that had electronics in stock if you wanted to upgrade them but you could go to a boat dealer and every new boat had those electronics already on them
Love your honesty and videos
As a small dealer I know of what you speak of. You hit the nail on the head.
You are correct, that's why I now have a Tohatsu on mine.
Andy you crack me up! You are so right I bought a 2017 SeaArk 2072 VXF with a 2013 Suzuki 115hp motor in 2021 was told I would still have a full warranty cuz the motor had less than 20 hrs so after I took delivery they told me that Suzuki would not be able honor the warranty. It took 5 months and ton of phone calls and emails with the dealer/ manufacturer. I was able to get a new 2022 Suzuki 115 from SeaArk shipped to a really good small dealer near me in Indiana. The dealer said they can't get any Suzuki motors and couldn't believe that I was able to get one.
Keep telling it like it is!
You’re the man Andy. Thank you for speaking up for the consumers. WE are the ones buying boatsn motors etc and the big companies are gonna keep pushing until we all quit buying new shit… Oh have you heard anything at all about Evinrude coming back next year??? I’ve read a few comments that they are but I can’t find anything about it. Figured you would know way more than me…
Andy, you hit the nail right on the head. We are a smaller dealership and the companies take our money for school, service manuals, and online ordering and parts catalogs but then when you need a motor in March it’s wait until December which you won’t get by then. I was waiting over two years for a stainless prop and canceled it. We are getting it in the butt and when the rep tells you to save money and quit being a dealer and buy from the big dealers, what a kick in the ass. I have been in retail since 1987 and it is a total s#$t show. I’m with you, just doing service and let the big dealers eat the turds.
Great channel with awesome content. Keep it up from lake Livingston Tx
Keep it up Andy!!! Speak the truth. Totally true
At my local credit union there back parking lot looks like an used boat & RV dealship. They have about 4 nearly new Bass Boats and several near brand new campers that were all repossessed.
Andy you hit the nail right on the head!!!!!
Thanks Andy great real video. Thanks
Your right. It happened in the automobile industry too
Definitely on to something there. We see it over here on the coast in MA. Some places have no idea when they can get an outboard yet down the road another place has one ready to rock. Dealer size and who you know is definitely a factor. We’ve seen a few new dealers pop up and it’s interesting how suddenly there is outboards for them to sell.
I bought a new bass boat in 2021, took out a 20Yr loan, i will not live long enough to get it paid off so the repo team can come pick it up.
I hear you. I will run my 2001 Skeeter in the ground. Still sporting a Vmax 225 two stroke. I will just rebuild heads or whatever until they say they can't. Cheaper than a payment every month. I can go years with out a boat payment. Works for me.
I ordered a new Xpress x18 pro with 115 yamaha sho in October of 2021. They told me boat would be ready by March. I called in March and my dealer, Wild Bills Boats in Mead, Oklahoma told me that Xpress didn't have a motor for my new boat. I didn't get my boat until mid July 2022 due to lack of an available115 sho. My dealer is a small dealer, probably 5 employees in total. My dealer was told by Xpress that they didn't have a motor for the boat. Just sharing my experience, thanks for all the content. Love the channel!
Thanks for the everything you do. I didn’t have an outbound problem, but pretty sure I found the last Minn kota ultrex in the US during “Covid” and I definitely overpaid but unfortunately I needed it.
I dont understand how this channel isnt over 500k subs....
Haha thanks for the kind words! Spread the word and let's reach that mark and start holding these companies accountable
Biggest conspiracy to me is listening to some Alan Jackson in the truck and the lyrics come on "Just an old plywood boat, with a 75 Johnson electric choke" and my kid says "Dad, what's a Johnson?" I had no choice but to enter into a profanity laden tirade about Canadian tomfoolery, he told his mom, and god dammit I'm cut off now.
You got it! Waited 9 months for a trolling motor! All kinds of boats were being sold with the same motor on it from factory. Called the company and complained. Told them I've been using there product for 40 years. Doesn't matter.
You tell em Andy,im glad i dont have to deal with the sales stuff anymoore.We use to move about 200 to 225 outboards per year and around 125 to 150 boats,but our bread and butter was in our service dept and proppeller repair shop.i didnt do much pre-rigged stuff as we liked to do our own rigging and let the customer choose whatever engine,electronics and trolling motor that they preferred.Probly coulds made a lil more profit on pre-rigged units,but it just wasnt my cup of tea.Sounds like now its about the only way to get a boat/motor/trailer.You've hit the nail on the head in this vid,keep up the good work fellas,im glad someone has the balls to tell it like it is!!!
Andy!!!! Amen! Speak the truth!!
Here in eastern shore my local yamaha/ merc dealer never slowed up. ALWAYS had brand new boats outfront with brand new engines. I called about a 150hp new or used and not shit available. This was 2022.
Thank u about time we bring all this out.
Well said and well thought out
I’ve waited since January for a new axle for my 2014 Ranger it just came in today 😮 All things are f%&&#d up in this world not just this country but the world.
I had the bus run around on Mercury engine from 2 different dealers. One year later I finally found a Suzuki engine. Glad I did. I couldn't be happier.
Andy being blunt and honest once again.
Andy love your videos. Love how you tell everyone the truth. My father and i started a motorsports and marine shop 3-1/2 yrs ago and i figured we would be booming and in retrospect we cant get enough customers to even survive. I know az is land locked but people in the desert love lakes.😅
I totally agree on some points but not all . I work at a medium size dealership and we had boats delivered from the builder without engines and if they did have engines they didn’t have steering. Some came without gauges or other electronics. It was a shit show and it’s hard to point one solid finger . Love your point of view and the videos plus your in my home state, on Wisconsin!
The truth hurts!! 💯 agree as usual great video andy!
I think you are on point. They make more on new boats than anything else 😮
That across the board from trolling motors boats, etc. Really, it is. But we, the consumers, settle without thinking.
Your so right. They are not making that many boat that nobody could get a motor
Wow! This exact thing happened to me. I wanted to repower. Called tons of dealers around the area and no one could get one for months or even a year, but guess what?? They had a boat I could buy. Finance it for the next 100 years. I just put the money into fixing my old motor. I think it didn’t help that Evinrude exited so early. Stretched the supply even further. Thank you for keeping it real as always!
It's more than just the boat industry but we need more people like you talking about this shit take the blinders off folks
Same problem with reloading ammo. When Covid hit you couldn’t find primers from anywhere. But on 2 hand markets you could buy them for 5x the cost and now when you can find the from shops or online retailers now the price has triple. And like your said the boat makers gets first choice same with big ammo companies. They got to hog the market
You are spot on
Taking care of the customer is what drives a good business. That's why your name is mentioned by many people all over the country. I was from Michigan and now Florida and your name has been mentioned frequently. My fishing days are over and that Ranger project is, too. If ya run into anyone that's interested in a project boat is still running 60mph keep me in mind. I wanna see it back on the water.
They won’t fix the issue cause the $$$ is still rolling in
I tried exactly that, buying just an engine, couldn't get any brand that wasn't attached to a boat, so I rebuilt the old motor
Keep on keeping on the kick ass videos !
Yup bean counters in overdrive at work in the industry
now i know why i like your videos,good job Andy
100% I’ve been on the hunt for a 175 to re power my ranger 692 and it has been SLIM pickins, let alone the motors you do find are jacked up in price it seems to me.
Great job Andy that needed to come out
Dam good video ....Back i think about 8 months or so ago . The owner of prodigy boats posted a video on their page discussing ,the problems of getting motors,,live well pumps and switch panels ....
Great show guys!
I didnt have any issues getting a 9.9 tohatsu in 2021. I had a hell of a time getting a 20hp tohatsu computer though. Keep on grinding! I think the entire bass boat industry is screwed. $100k plus for boat motor trailer. When do we get to a point when enough is enough.
I love it, Andy keep on keeping it real 100% awesome job
Yet again, shoutout to team marine and Andy for keeping it real an telling it how it is!!! Mercury and Yamaha should be ashamed of themselves if that’s the kinda deal they made behind closed doors with the big boys. Shit on the consumer an take care of your buddies, shits crazy.
My local dealer is Watson's Marine in bluff city tn. Last year every new boat in the showroom had the lower unit off,I suppose they sold them.
Hit the nail on the head Andy! Good content
💯💪🏾 I guess I will keep my 1993 75 hp mercury two stroke outboard
You're just voicing what we have all been thinking for the last two years
So true, but my dealer Anchor Boats was honest and the best! Customer first and they will last through all this craziness.
Outstanding video! I am in supply chain and work to get “chips” everyday. Shit is still bad and the manufacturers make up what ever rules they want. Lots of horse shit going on!
You hit the nail dead on.
Andy, you've treated me right the times that we have talked. Power of the people bro you ain't wrong. Honesty goes a long long damn way, even if it isn't what you wanna hear. America: fuck yeah !!!