Status, Pride, Elitism, and Recasts in the BJD Hobby
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Sometimes I feel like the BJD community is a little salty and rude. We all enjoy the same kind of thing and we share the same hobby but even if you own an authentic doll someone in the community would try to put you down in one way.
There's a quick and easy way to fix the whole recast issue. Lowering the price of the legit 2nd hand dolls.
People buy recasts because they are cheap. If the 2nd hand market is on the same level, less and less people buy recasts. But of course the market will stay the same because "my doll was an investment and I want my money back."
If this whole debate was ACTUALLY about artists and supporting the originals, this simple change would be completely logical. But it's not, it's a mix of greed, status, elitism and who knows what else.
Too often I see secondhand dolls for a higher price than if you buy them new from the company and include shipping and customs..
imo, the best way to fix the recast issue is if the "pro-artist" people actually just start a campaign to help the legit artist/companies sue the people who illegally stole their stuff. If there's an existing legal action done, I feel more people would be more scared to steal others' design.
Also some people just don't know it's a recast and think its the actual one they are buying as well
@@user-fz1ui1mx4m Just yesterday I wrote to a friend about a new designer doll: Why do I see breasts from iplov, strange elbows from cheap action dolls, hands from sum id, legs from a ballet doll and all this is from the author?
Double standards: borrowing various body parts by companies and authors from other companies and other authors is normal, but recasts are evil.
@@hivlife2 I think the for dolls, it's similar to the fashion industry. An easier way to explain is that structural patterns cannot be licensed. like how the general pattern of a tshirt, skirt, pants, and bags can be used by others. There is a problem if a blatant copy of the design happens. like for chanel bags, the moment the logo is placed, there is an issue, but when the diamond pattern and flap design is used, it's no issue, as it's not really unique I guess. For dolls, what I think most of the problem arises from copying the dolls face which is usually a unique design. Other doll body part designs tends to be uniquely released by specific companies... but for the standard body parts ones, I see most kinda looks the same...Then there's that whole ethical way of how it was made. It's really quite vague when it comes to creative license disputes. Not even big brands like chanel, hermes gucci etc could stop counterfeit items....the amount of time, money and effort is just too much....imagine how unattainable those figures are for small businesses and individual artists...The only way fans can help is to just spread awareness of it. Whether people want to buy fakes or not is their business, but if people wanna help support the creators then just buy legit. Stopping this is tough, again cos of money. Either fans donate money to help these creators to at least hire a legal team or something....it'll drain everyones banks tho imo and tbh the court of law rarely takes creative disputes seriously unless undisputable evidence can be shown,...that and the ones creating fakes are mostly in overseas and hence protected under their respective country's law...depending on what kind of political agreement exists between the countries of both parties...the creators will probably need to go to ther perpetrator's country to sue the perpetrator there under their local laws....it's a roller coaster of draining money, and sorting through outdated and contradicting laws 😂😂😂
I only own recasts because nobody told me ebay was a bad place to buy dolls. And nobody told me because at the time it was impossible to connect with anyone in the hobby because I was new and often ignored. Because of this I now own 4 recasts, 1 secondhand and 1 authentic doll. Talk to eachother people.
Roll Like A Buffalo O_O I am a bit late, however, if you are looking for a nice place to find more info, receive feedback, and find more answers, then you should check out BJD Amino. Although, I would only recommend that you ask questions or share opinions on there. Recasts aren't allowed to be posted there, but you could post about your legit doll. We are all very friendly and we love helping! Communication is very normal here!
Spicy Ricu
What's your username?
Spicy Ricu omg I know you from the Recast Amino? Omg 😂
You have a lot of places to talk about dolls before buying them! Facebook groups (where people are really helpful and can just send you links to cheap/pretty dolls), forums etc You just have to do a little bit of research and put effort to it.
I feel like for the longest times people would just point to Den of Angles but sadly it’s not very beginner friendly even if they try to provide information. Your are locked out of many features (some for good reasons other a little arbitrary) that may help prevent people from going unknowing to buy recasts or knowing but not able to find safer options (like on the second hand market). Luckily their are a lot more places now a days like insta, fb, amino and others.
Can I also tack on, please don’t yell, or tell someone off because they think they have a bjd, and you don’t think its a bjd. Such as I have a smart doll it has an internal skeleton instead of being heals together by string. I thought it was a bjd because all of its joints minus the spine are ball shaped. I that was all that was needed to have a ball joint doll until someone got an attitude with me heckling me and treating me like an idiot because of this. I’m not saying don’t correct someone, just do it nicely please.
Sarah Crocker bjd=ball joint doll. Smart doll=Plastic ball and socket joints. Smart doll=ball joint doll. unless they want to rename the entire hobby to RBJD or resin ball joint doll, then I don't believe smart dolls should be excluded from this tag. They aren't my style, but I still don't feel they should be excluded.
In my opinion a smart doll is a BJD. Danny Choo just has a different concept. I own one too and I know many people who consider then as BJDs too. I always thought that the BJD community is nice but only the Smart Doll/Dollfie dream community is. The BJD community really disappointed me. I feel like everyone is jealous of each others doll and in my opinion that's the reason why some people try to "bully" someone by saying things like "uhm that's not a bjd? Are you stupid?" Or "OMG your doll looks like a recast!". I hate hate hate this community. I'll probably buy a recast (my parents don't allow me to buy an expensive doll again, that's why I have to buy a recast(actually I feel pressured bc of legit bjd owner but idc I'll buy what I want)) but I don't want to be part of this community. I love the Smart Doll/Dollfie Dream community so much, everyone is nice and welcoming that's why I'll stay in this community^^
Harmony Hawthorn in my opinion smart doll joints are better than other bjds joints XD
I personally, don't count Smart Dolls or Dollfie Dreams a BJD, moreso because their joints run on a hinge system? If that makes sense, OTL.
Resin doll limb movement highly depends on ball like joints, or joints with spherical ends for the limb to move seamlessly. Hence the term, ball joint. These guys can't do much if their joints do not have drastic curvature.
However, for a doll that uses an internal skeleton, like DDs or Smart Dolls, it doesn't need a ball joint anymore. It's there for aesthetic purposes, but in actuality, the parts that do the work, are like gears, or hinges. Therefore, it doesn't need a ball to move.
I'm the kind of person that actually doesn't want BJDs and vinyls to mix. When I say that Dollfie Dreams aren't BJDs I don't mean to exclude them. They just feel incredibly different to me, I buy both BJDs and DDs for differing reasons. Dollfie Dreams and Smart Dolls don't need to fit into the BJD category to stay relevant. They're great dolls to begin with, and they deserve a category of it's own. What tag they are put under doesn't define the doll's worth.
Honestly though, the true-true is, a person should never feel insignificant based on the opinions of others. They don't know you, the only person you need to please, is yourself. The people who are mean spirited are not worth fretting over. ^^
Fukase I bet they don't flop around like my elastic strung resin dolls😅
I just got a BJD, and it turned out she is a recast, the add didn't say anything about it, and there were only one for sale, so I got her, and I really love her. and the first comment I got, was this negative, almoste pre-written message about how bad this is - the sad thing is that it is taking away my joy. anyhow, what I wanted to say, is that the anger, I did see from the community is not anything I want to be a prat of, so now I will never get another BJD ever! Why not tell newbies "Hey that is a cut doll, but next time you get a BJD try getting one from a true artist instead of a recast"
My biggest issue with the recast topic is people saying it means you arent apart of the hobby. It makes them bitter and will make them buy more. Shunning people for owning recasts is doing more harm and people arent even realising it c": i havent bought a recast in a year because of my proartist friends support and ive wanted to make them proud. However before that i bought 4 just because the recast community was kinder and accepting. Hateful people are so counter productive
Duckily ART I respectfully disagree. Counterfeiting is illegal in most countries, and I don’t want people who are okay with funding illegal activity to be invited to be a part of my hobby. But someone who has had a change of heart and is now anti-recast is someone I absolutely consider a part of the hobby.
Duckily I agree. The hate is counterproductive. I never owned a bjd nor a recast and was not interested in owning either until I saw the vitriol being hurled at recast collectors on social media and blogs. After reading, I immediately purchased my first recast. Dolls have been cloned for ages. Barbie was the product of a bild lilli clone. FR dolls are constantly remaking vintage barbie fashions. I reckon in many countries the law on replicas are different. In many, just a 10% difference equals a new product in itself. If the recasts really are different in size, quality, colour and finish then they are different enough to pass many legal tests. Moral POVs are a different kettle of fish but no one should be judged by some1 else's moral standards.
Most people who buy recasts literally CANT afford a1000.00 for a doll. I'm in the doll community and can afford limited and original dolls but I don't have a problem with people buying recasts. Theres no way I can ever say this in the doll community but I'm glad I can say it here. What I think the real problem in the community is, many people are spending money on dolls they cant afford. They are either running themselves into debt or spending their rent money, car payment money, or childrens college funds on some very expensive dolls. This leads many people to become angry when they see somebody having a doll that's almost as good as theirs for a fraction of the price. There is just way too much jealousy in the doll community. If you ever had a friend growing up that didn't want to share their toys and threw fits, that's exactly how many of these people act as adults. The private messages you get when you show a new doll are pretty unbelievable. Its a bunch of spoiled little brats trying to bring you down with a sideways compliment. I don't buy anything I cant absolutely afford so I never feel bad for buying a doll. I also don't sell my dolls, I only gift them. And that really seems to infuriate some of the big shots in the community. I know a very talented doll painter in the community who has to act like they wont paint recasts out of fear of getting shunned by the doll community. This person has privately shared some of the work he has don on recasts and I can tell you one of their painted recast can be better than an original. What a lot of people don't realize is behind the scenes in the community many people don't have a problem with recasts because they know it doesn't actually take anything away from the artists. And in some cases it actually helps them. Just look at all the people that bought a recast as their first doll only to go on to buy an original. Or people who buy recasts to practice painting, sueding, wireing, ect. and then get good at it and stay in the hobby and buy more originals. So to anybody who cant afford an original please don't feel bad about buying a recast. Just keep it a secret from the community and realize that many of the people throwing a fit about you buying a recast are probable buying the generic brand of food so they can afford to buy an original doll. If you think I'm joking just look at the background in some of their photos and videos.
@@teebear3036 honestly not being able to afford it is literally the worst excuse. There are plenty of cheaper legit dolls that cost the same or even less than recasts. I strongly dislike a lot of your reasoning. Where I don't think shunning recasts owners will do anything, as they still are apart of the hobby. It is a fact that recasts DO harm the artists and they are technically stolen art. So supporting the thieves who are profiting off of it isn't exactly a good thing to do. Buying recasts second hand doesn't hurt anyone but buying them straight from the recasters does hurt the artists. Most recasters however are unaware of the damage it does. The reason people dislike recasts is NOT because they're jealous people got a doll for cheaper than they did. They dislike recasts because recasts hurt the artists they want to support. Buying recasts never helps the artist? Buying the legit later on is what helps the artist. That's just a silly notion. Buying recasts is bad. But most of the time recast owners are just unaware and need to be educated and treated with kindness. You can't go around saying buying recasts is good lol that isn't going to help anyone.
@@duckilyart7429 Not being able to afford it is literally the best reason because it doesn't take a cent out of the artists pocket. Also if the doll is limited and sold out then the artist has already made all their money and you would be buying it from somebody for more than they paid the artist for it. Hmmm...wonder if that has anyting to do with collectors on the forums shunning people for buying recasts. Is it hurting the artists pockets or the collectors/resellers. Many of the recasts on ebay are perfectly fine and just about as good of quality as the original minus the paint job. Anybody who cant afford an original shouldn't feel bad about getting a recast. The artist won’t be losing money from you because you don't have, and may never have the money for the original. If its a discontinued doll the a recast could be your only affordable option. If the artist isn't even making the dolls anymore then they aren't losing business at all. And why buy a used doll that could come from a smoker’s home or a home with cats and dogs when you can get a brand new recast. If you don't like the recast many of the sellers on ebay offer a refund. Many of the painters on the forums will gladly paint your recast even if they don't publicly say it. If your dream is to have a 3000.00 doll and you know you will never be able to afford it, you shouldn't feel bad about taking the only affordable route. Many of the people on the doll forums will want you to feel bad and that's mostly out of jealousy or some other negative kind of emotion. And there is a really good chance they have a few recasts hidden away. And at the least I bet they don't always buy the authentic apple device charger or the brand name food. People shouldn't feel bad for getting a doll for 150.00 and a face up and body blush for 100.00 if its the only affordable option. I know 250.00 is still a lot for a doll and still out of reach for many but its a lot less than 3k to 5k. And there's no doubt that you would love it just as much. I love my originals and my limiteds and I wish everyone could have them. It doesn't make me feel good knowing so many people that want them cant afford them. Most people in the doll community do not feel this way. I see a lot of stinginess and envy, its really sad. Anybody who thinks that a person who doesn't have the money shouldn't be allowed to have their dream doll should get off their high horse and try and see it from somebody perspective that will never even be able to afford a recast let alone a limited original. If you feel so bad for the artist maybe privately donate some money to them instead of looking down on and judging those who are less fortunate.
I own a recast.. I am really ashamed of it but I have a very emotional attachment to him because my father bought him for me when I was 13. He really wanted to make me a gift and he just buyed this recast because he didn't knew that recast existed. So, I will never buy a recast by myself but I totally forgive my father for buying a recast because he was just being super nice and he actually tried to understand my hobby.
sugasugar you can still be a pro artist while having a recast. This is a very common thing and you aren’t alone, as long as you know it’s wrong and don’t buy anymore you’ll still be accepted. It’s not you’re fault and I hope you’re treated kindly :)
@@atsuneh516 Thank you for being so kind to me
@@anoukgauthier580 your best friend is google, just search for the company and always buy from the doll company ^^
Love that doll that came from your father, recast or not!! That was incredibly sweet of him to be supportive of your interest! This is an excellent example of why someone should not be made feel guilty or "less than" for owning a recast. For sentimental reasons, you will probably love that one most of all - I know I would! :)
I can get that. I wouldn't purposely buy a recast myself but if a friend or family member bought me one (likely not knowing what recasts are), I'd be super flattered that they thought of me and wanted to add to my hobby. I'd try and treat the recast well enough, and be happy someone went to the trouble of getting me something.
Your two cents was worth far more. Thank you for this upload. This was a very positive video and it was very appreciated. I always try to focus on getting to know the people in this community and have come to know some amazing ones at that. Not onces have ever ever cared where one have purchased their "collectables". I personally believe we all should just support one another and if we choose to spread our beliefs do it in a way that is constructive rather than destructive. Thanks again.
As someone who is just getting into the hobby, I’d never buy a recast from a doll that came from an independent artist, but I don’t mind so much if it’s a company that “mass produces” dolls. I’m from a Blythe background, and have never purchased takara blythes, because I don’t collect, I customize. And I feel like especially when you’re starting out, buying a cheaper doll, whether recast or second hand or both, is much better, because I was terrified of messing up my dolls. At least on one that “doesn’t matter as much” it’s not as heartbreaking as if you bought this amazing expensive doll, just to ruin it.
I can see your point about 'messing up' an expensive doll, though my background is starting with a $560 doll and I TOTALLY messed him up, LOL. That just made me love him all the more xD I feel like this hobby is so great because of the customization and, unless people are are only in the hobby to buy and sell, there should be a whole lot less stigma surrounding customization. Although I should add that there is no BJD company that 'mass produces' dolls - the vast majority of these companies are small groups of artists that work in a specialty market and likely don't see huge profits. That's why you see a lot of companies come and go, haha. I hope when you do get a BJD you customize the crap out of it - even if it was a limited edition super expensive so and so! ^_^
I'm a 14 year old who really wants a bjd. My family is broke af 🙁 and my Dad would never spend more than $50 on a doll for me, and if people hate me for buying recast, I guess I would just let them 😕🤷🏻♀️ can't help it, everyone has their own situation and opinion. And it's not like there's any need to get liked by the community, I just want one bjd to dress up or do makeup once in awhile, buying something so expensive would just be a waste of money.
exactly as someone who is 14 as well, i don’t have $900 for a doll when that’s literally the same price for all the bills my mom has to pay! as some sellers sells replacement hands for like $15!
Enjoy your doll and don't allow people to rob you of your joy
@@bradlee1916really late, but to be fair you do not have to buy 900$ dolls. Just scale down. 1/4th 40cm run from as low as 200 to 500 for a full doll with clothes wig and faceup
Don’t feel bad I’m 32 and 900 for a Doll is expensive af!! I have a mortgage to pay plus a 300 car note and 300 car insurance 😐. Trust it doesn’t get easier to purchase as u get older 😅
I don’t hate you ! I understand ,when I was 14 the Barbie dolls were just coming on the toy market my mom couldn’t afford one either ! But I happened to find one in a mom and pop store ! She was totally naked! I asked the store Lady how much for the doll ? She said $1.00 dollar ( one dollar) now back then a dollar would buy a loaf of bread ,a Dosen eggs and a quart of milk ! Now a loaf of bread is 3to 5 dollars a dozen of eggs are 2 dollars (?) and milk is about 4 dollars ! I bought the doll with money I got from picking up empty pop bottles and beer bottles along the road ( us kids did that for spending money ) mom just didn’t have the money, she had to buy food,rent and a few clothes once in a while as we out grew our clothes and she made a lot of our clothes ! So a recast doll is and will be my choice also ! I can’t afford a $ 300 plus doll either !
My parents got me a bjd and I’m pretty sure he’s a recast, but I love him so much, I’m so torn, I’m afraid people will hate me because of him, but I did his face up and I made his clothes and I made his wig I put so much work into him and I really do love him
Out of everyone I watched make a video on recasts or elitism yours was the most calm, I do agree with your opinion it’s not the dolls fault it’s the people who ripped off the artist for their own greed.
Yay calmness! No need to get all riled up xD
I think the only other calm video I've seen was Anne Pecaros
I dont even think recasts harm independent artists. It is actually the competition of small companies which is making the way to success harder - and its perfectly healthy. But anybody who buys a recast probably wouldnt spent the money on legit doll anyway, I cant imagine someone who is willing to invest in legit doll and then changes their mind because the recast is cheaper. People who buy recasts either dont know about the hobby much (yet) or have a budget. I agree with you on the empathy and support we should give each other. In my local community they didnt even let a person take his doll to meeting, because it was a recast. But the person didnt know when he was buying the doll, he just got scammed. My community still treated him like garbage for it and didnt even allow him to post pictures of his beloved doll on fb. It made me sad, this behavior is not going to help anybody, its not going to feed the artist, its only dividing this small community to even smaller sections, unnecessarily.
M P Wow your community is almost monstrous that is seriously taking the hobby way to far.
Kyah Wiggins yeah, thats how i feel about it too. Once they argued with girl who dared to say dolls dont choose their characters. Lol. The community is really small and people who started it arenseriously dedicated to dolls. Nothing wrong about that, but sháing other people for not having bjds as religion is insane.
M P yeah you’re right it’s kind of crazy what kind of community did you join though is it like only certain people thing it sounds kind of exclusive. Dolls don’t choose their characters do they??? I thought their owners did x-x especially with bjds since they are super customizable. I get being super dedicated but dang...shaming people for stuff is just cruel and really harsh. I just got into the hobby and I love everything about except the community it I just don’t know if I want to join a community like that.
Oof, recasts *definently* hurt individual artists and often put them out of business because people are buying cheap stolen art rather than the real thing. People give up on make BJDs because what's the point if you know they will be stolen? Recasts are ruining the hobby and soon enough their will be barely any legit bjds left
Ahhhh I found my home😂 The bjd community is so intimidating for this reason. Thank you for such an uplifting, level headed video. I’m not brand new to the hobby but I’m definitely more on the newbie side and I’m too terrified to comment or post questions anywhere because I’ve seen so many others get attacked. Honestly it reminds me of the yachting world...everyone forgets they were all beginners at some point😊
You make great points in this video. I wish people would use some judgment on this subject instead of looking at it as a black and white moral argument. As an artist of many mediums including dolls and faceups, I truly understand both sides of this argument; it's not okay to steal work from artists, especially when it's impacting the artist's income and production ability; however, i can also understand why an artist might want to buy a cheaper, less valuable doll just to try painting it, or heavily modifying it, or using pieces from different sculpts to create a unique doll. Every case of someone purchasing a counterfeit doll is not the same, and while it's important to know where you personally stand on the issue, it's not okay to harass other people who are just trying to enjoy the hobby and have no "sinister" intentions.
Exactly! It feels like "if you're not actively vehemently against something (and/or if it's not
explicitly stated that you are) that means you support it and you're
just as Problematic™" and I'm just sick of that mindset
The Hobby needs more people like you 🙌🏼👏🏼✌🏼👏🏼🙌🏼
people don't always have 900 euro/dollar to spend on 1 doll so recasts are more affordable and for fairer prices.
Exactly what I waz saying, like our family is broke af 🤦🏻♀️ and I'm just 14 🤷🏻♀️
can you imagine paying 6 times that price, because your country do not use dollar nor euro, and 1 dollar = 6 local currency? it would cost more than 2 working months in a good paying job. that's just crazy, i wouldn't get to eat for months just for a doll lol
@@isaamli I read comments of people who own the legit $700-$1000 dolls and ended up in a huge debt after purchasing one. Doesn’t sound like their precious doll brought them much joy to brag about. That would explain why theres so many second hand BJD sellers. This hobby is just as expensive as Lolita fashion, Goth fashion, Steampunk, owning a silicone mermaid tail, and figure collecting.
@@Celestial7Heavens super elitist hobbies. it looks like an expensive party that everyone wants to join, but there are just snob people in there, they will look at you differently once you are in, and you think you could enter if you save up money for it but at the end of the day it's just too much to pay. i don't think it's worth it unless you're really rich and i am not. so i enjoy my cheap jointed dolls, they're for me to make clothes for and that's almost like therapy for me so it's worth it
They are saying this is a white western hobby only with their snobbery
Totally agree with you! No matter which side of this debate we're on, it never hurts to be nice. I'm in the hobby because of the dolls that I personally enjoy. I'm in the community because of the people. Mean, rude, elitist folks just don't interest me in the least.
Miss Charlie (Brenda T) yeah, but buying recasts does hurt artists, being nice or not.
Oh, I agree with that also. I'm completely pro artist and against buying recasts. I think that buying recasts hurts the entire hobby. But that doesn't give anyone an excuse for being mean. There has been inexcusable behavior apparently on both sides, and I don't support any of that. And for that reason, I've attempted to steer clear of the entire debate, other than to just state where I stand on the issue.
Just stumbled on this video. I'm new to the hobby and bought a bjd that i purely fell in love with. I didnt find out until after purchasing that it was recast, which kinda bummed me because i definitely overpaid. So she showed up, I was still in love. I simply figured I'd just keep her. I dont approve of the stealing at all, but I also dont feel I should be judged in my purchase of a recast since shes on of my first. Love this video. I see both sides for sure.
Same exact thing happened to me
ok i must say, i do click on videos based on the picture, mainly if its a "face up" on a doll and i like it more than another videos face up then yes, i would click on it, mainly because if theres something i like, i would be more interested to it, but i also do get what you mean.
Recasts/fake bjd dolls are great for me because im very VERY broke and also new to face ups, but i also understand that someone has took their time to make that doll and it would be very sad/mad to see someone coppying it. When i post art, i do see people who have reposted it saying its theirs or they just changed afew colours on it and gave me no credit, and of course it is very annoying because i have spent hours on making it, and people think they can get away with reposting my older and un-noticed art, saying its theirs :(
I have a recast. I love her! I didn’t know at the time but I’m not going to stop liking her just bc some people are assholes on the internet. I’ve even seen people destroying dolls online like. How absolutely privileged and elitist🙄 anyway I’m saving up for a smart doll now after doing my own research
This video is pretty old, but I'll comment anyway. We only live once, enjoy the things that bring you joy and ignore the negative people who have no seat at your table. Do what is within your means and find joy where you can as much as you can. This fleeting blip of a life is yours and no one else can live it for you... unless you let them.
I only have recast and I knew it was a recast when I got them. I have a life with real bills and while I do appreciate the original artist and their work that they created to even make a cheap recast, this ish is expensive! So I get what I can afford. But nothing will replace an original.
I can’t get a expensive bjd so if i find a cheap doll and most are recast I’m sorry but if I do find a cheap really bjd I will for sure get it.☺️
I don’t own a “BJD”...I am a Barbie collector (I know...how typical)...but I think BJD’s are neat and the community is very “animated”? Or maybe “vocal” is a better word...I get the argument, a knock off Barbie would CHAP MY ASS.....but I have watched people get militant over all this...this video was very polite, educated and I appreciate you!!!
This is definitely one of the best videos on this dreaded topic I've seen. I totally agree with your thoughts on supporting new people in the community too. That is how strong communities are built. We will only get out of any community as much as we put into it.
The first doll I got was a legit doll but I sold her because I didn't have a connection to her. The second doll I bought was a recast but I didn't she was a recast because I couldn't find proof that she existed lol and I'm not going to lie, she was a total steal not to mention is they don't even make her anymore. I want to support artists but I also don't have $300 to spend on a doll. I don't want to make a habit of buying recasts but also it's hard to ignore such a wonderful price. I'm new to the community and like you said people like to find good deals. One day I'll get a legit but for the time being I really love my recast doll.
Haha, 300$ isn't even that bad a price for most BJDs XD
Everyone does like a great price, I myself feel most at home in the clearance section of stores xD But when it comes to small businesses and supporting artists, I (personally) don't believe the savings are worth it. If people keep going for a good price over the original product the doll companies could go out of business and then we wouldn't even have this hobby anymore! And that would be super sad.
If you're curious, I actually made some videos a while ago about how to afford BJDs. Check them out and see that this hobby can be a lot easier to afford than you might think! :)
PinotNoirIceCreamBar like I said I really don't have $300 to spend on a doll and I'm not trying to make a habit outnof it. And I really find it hard to believe that the ENTIRE bjd hobby would go out of business because of recasts. I think that it's awful when small companies put their blood sweat in tears into and then get shut down because of recasts but I doubt that everyone will go out of business because there are so many brands and companies and it kind of overwhelmes me at times lol. And your doll video was the very reason I subscribed to you. I'm going to try and save up for a resin soul doll.
@@flamingbean4334 if u google cheap dolls u will find more cheaper legit doll. Sometimes the cheap doll is cheaper or same price with the recast
Ferchii Alice I actually really hate this hobby now and won’t be supporting anyone anymore but thanks for the help
@flaming bean Wow what happened.
This is probably the first vid on this issue that I agree on.
Why are the original dolls so expensive? $1000 for a doll? I find that a bit ridiculous.
Try making one and I think you'll see why they cost so much. It is an incredible amount of effort, and they can be expensive to make, too.
Recast are expensive to I saw 300 dollars plus shipping recast dolls on
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Some dolls have an incredible amount of detail and a lot of effort goes into them. For example the popovy sisters’ doll line. They essentially mini possible highly detailed sculptors. They’re very beautiful and the sisters deserve every bit of coin they charge for them .
They can cost $200-$800 based on size and how complicated they are to make/put together. Some bjds have 40+ pieces to assemble. These things are handmade and sculpted, then a mold is created, and then recreated in resin. They're also made to have the best articulation so there's a lot of trial and error to making one. Many are also made to be customizable, so that you can swap out hands and feet and faces easily. These aren't your typical Barbies.
I love everything that you addressed in the video and educating in the most polite way. Even reading the supportive comments on here against toxicity made me feel better. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I don’t own a BJD yet but I’m making plans to order one in the future from Mystic Kids from Alice’s Collection. I’m collecting Rainbow High (Fashion Dolls) at the moment.
I did myself a huge favor and left the Rainbow High Fashion Doll community, forums, and FB groups because they’re were just too toxic. I have more fun sharing photos of them with my friends who don’t collect dolls and are being very supportive how dolls of all kind are helping me with my depression and health issues.
A hobby should bring joy, escapism, & express creativity, not used as an excuse to bully others online.
I’m looking forward to owning my first BJD in the future but I’m going to avoid joining BJD forums or attending meet ups. The Rainbow High Doll (fashion dolls) community toxicity and drama was already enough for me.
Have a beautiful day everyone.
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Brilliant video. EVERY collector needs to watch this. Thank you for making it!
wow, you are so lovely, you and your doll have fabulous hair. Thanks for the video explanation, I'm really new to BJD's and didn't really understand what people were on about with the whole recast thing so this helped. And your sentiment about inclusion was lovely, people should be welcoming to others as it can make a massive difference to individuals.
Absolutely! I'm glad that you have been able to see different sides of the recast argument. It can be such an ugly thing to start out with at the beginning of the hobby, and even though I don't think anyone should buy recasts, it's more important to support newer folks or younger folks rather than start bashing them for something they haven't even done yet. You're right - being welcoming DOES make a huge difference! :D
I love sewing and crafting so bjds are something I really enjoy
I bought two recast dolls back in the day when I was young with only a part time job. It was affordable. Now I can afford legit dolls, but can I just say.. I wish more dolls came in more skin choices than light.. i want dolls that look like me, and at this point, recasts start to look interesting again because they provide those other colors.
Sure, I can just look for legit dolls that come in colors I'm looking for, and I am. But it's such a defeated feeling when I fall in love with a doll that only comes in "normal yellow" or something. Just a thought
Too often I see dolls for sale that are more expensive secondhand than new.
You're just so kind, it's amazing.
recasts made me buy the real thing in different hobbies
People should really stop getting pissed off and attacking people and focus more on educating. Getting more information out there is so much more affective then being toxic, if anything the toxicity scares people away and does more harm than the recasts.
I dont give a fuck with people trying to tell me what to buy. As long as i find the item attractive i'll buy it period. We just want a doll we can love.
Same!
What a refreshing attitude! Thank you for talking about this topic. :)
"Somebody who is using them to smuggle cocaine" Have you ever heard anyone do that really weird "HUH-HAAA" laugh IRL? Because that was me. I made that really weird "HUH-HAAA" laugh IRL when you said that. XD A good belly laugh. You are incredibly funny and I appreciate that so much.
Thank you! I also don't support recasts at all, but I do support being a more open community of human-to-human relationships instead of just human-to-doll.
Always glad to know I made someone laugh XD
Barbie never freaked about about dollar store Barbie because she made Barbie higher class. She made the Barbie name brand worth more. They are what made the Barbie trademark collectible. Without dollar store Barbie there would have been no low class Barbie. I suggest saturating the market in low class dolls so the higher class dolls stand alone! It’s like free marketing for you. Every little girl with a low class Barbie wanted high class Barbie. We do grow up and reach a point of collecting things like that. Especially if it’s a positive thing to do for EVERYONE! then lox class Barbie AND high class Barbie have a home. Coke was never as famous until Pepsi was created.
I am 10 years in the hobby now and I have owned 13 new legit bjd, 5 secondhand legit and 3 recast secondhand and I have to say that I am shocked to see how people post on insta or youtube that they block people who own recast, that they should be reported or I onced heared their dolls should be destroyed. I am like..really I support artist, but I also understand why people buy recast..If the people who own legit bjd only and are stating they hate, block or whatever people who own recast, just used their popularity and experience to help people buy legit, make them understand. I think the community would be allot nicer. I mean are you kidding me with this hate. I would not hate a person that owns a recast. I would ask why the person owns a recast and then tell them about the pros and cons. I have been telling my friends for years now if you want to try this out and don't have much money sure. go buy a recast..I understand. I didn't buy a Nikon dslr camera when I wanted to start with photography..I bought a cheap digital one from some local store. But if you are sure you want to be in this hobby and have the money please try to buy a legit ( I bought a nikon dslr, because I noticed the quality difference.) . I think that this way is more productive than hating, blocking and destroying eachoter. Those people should get their head out of the clouds and get down to earth.. We are all grown ups right? We should be able to talk about this like normal people do.. I say no hate, but communicate and educate!
If someone is going legit in the hobby and buying only legit dolls from a certain point forward I'll be glad to follow them on insta and such but I fail to see why we should follow people who continue to buy recasts and post them. Ive seen people post recasts on insta and when somebody asks where they got it they give them a link. I certainly don't owe anybody attention who is actively hurting the hobby by being pro recast and I don't think that following them and giving them attention in the off chance that they might one day go legit is worth my time. To me, they gotta prove they're going legit first and then I'm happy to friend them.
@@strayiggytv why do you care so much if they post a legit or a recast? they can be pro artists in making wigs or clothing... it's still resin baby why do u care so much, just follow what you like and don't follow what you don't like. I see a lot of people with legit dolls that simply look horrible, from the face-up to the custom details...
I have tried to join the community by looking for dolls, but it's not a very accessible hobby for the majority of people. I understand both sides, but I think it is also important to note that although there are negative impacts to recasts, it does help people who are new or don't have the money to join the community. Also, it is good to mention if you do get a recast and find the artist it's from, there are many ways you can support them, like Patreon. It isn't exactly the same, but I think it's a good first step.
Okay, first, I need to say that You and your lovely Doll look stunning and that I really love their rainbow hair
How many collectors of genuine bjd’s have copies of the great masters such as Leonardo Da Vinci, Manet, Picasso etc, on their walls. Yes, one day I plan to buy Van Goghs original piece Sunflowers...when I’m a millionaire. Until then I have to put up with a copy. At least I know of the grand artists because of the availability of the copies. Would I even know about the Popovy Sisters art if I hadn’t access to a copy. I Believe that copies/recasts bring art to the general public, increase the awareness of the skilled artist who would otherwise remain unknown ( like free advertising) and importantly helps maintain the value of the original.....a bit like Van Goghs Sunflowers.
I got a recast as my first doll because I didn't know any better. I hate when people have ripped off my art and am only into the dolls for the art. I now only purchase legit dolls HOWEVER I do not EVER give someone a hard time because they can't spent $300 to $1000 for a legit doll.
Be nice people!
I've been out of the community for four or five years and I didn't realize recasts had become a big thing. I never bought super expensive dolls but until I bought my LittleFees on the secondary market, all my dolls came directly from the manufacturer. When I was active on DoA, I did feel a little...inferior (?) since I didn't have the big name dolls but I'm happy just puttering around on my own with them.
Luv your two cents
I’m a starter in this hobby and thanks for such a helpful video 🥰
66I'm glad that if I could help in any way! ^^
Super late to this party but I love your point about interacting with new people and/or beginners. This hobby has a very ugly reputation and it makes a huge difference if someone is kind and welcoming! The bjd meetup thing hit hard haha.
I really appreciate the way you talk on this matter. You are far more reasonable than other people I've spoken to. I once mentioned that people's attitudes do ruin the hobby for people (no mentions of anything like recasts just that people were being awful to each other) and was in no uncertain terms told that because of what I said that I would never be welcome in the hobby. I own a Hujoo Amie (not a real bjd from what I've been told) and while my opinion differs on the recasting debate I will agree its never okay to recast a doll made by an independent artist. I do wonder if maybe if bigger companies that now only do digital sculpting changed their price points if they would find more success with people who want dolls on the budget side or if those companies would fall to the side where people would treat them the way I see people treat Bobobie dolls. Coming at this from a business perspective theres a lot to unpack but I'm glad you gave a place to openly discuss opinions without being aggressive.
Seems like there are too many elitists in this hobby. To be ignored when you're new to the whole collecting is terrible. I think everyone has their own opinions and reasons for and against recast dolls but whichever you have or why you have them at the end of the day is peoples own choice. No reason to give hate or abuse or make people feel like they are not worthy. Your dollies hair is amazing btw
Well said!
I'm pro secondhand recast and just accepting your current ones. also legit owners should sell your second hand legit dolls cheaper. basic use and modification, posing, reclothing (staining!) causes wear and tear. i myself will sell my dolls cheaper (around 2/3-1/2 price, 1/2 for newcomer's first doll.) when i do. period. its how we should treat ALL second hand items.
thank you for this video!!! i only buy recasts to practice pattern making and face ups
YOU GO GIRL!!!
Finally the voice of reason!
I bought a recast for 2 reasons
1. My parents wanted to gift me one for my birthday but there is no way they could spend a 1000$ for this. They were able to buy one for 200$
2. I already wanted this specific one when i bought my first bjd (a legit one for a small fortune) in 2013, but since she was a limited in 2011 so not avaliable anymore.
I totally understand that the artists put so much effort in creating a bjd and buying a recast hurts them in many ways
But for me buying this specific doll for my bd as a recast was the only option
I don't plan on buying more recast in the future though
Rosa Linda Where did you order it from?
We're did you get that fabulous wig?
I bought a REAL angel of Dreams 60 cm almost 15 years ago maybe longer and it's still in the box unloved because it's too heavy too fragile I feel and I haven't ever been able to enjoy it. I'm 70 now with a pacemaker and I love my 3 new recast dolls. I'm going to play enjoy redress faceup and finally have dolls. I'm so glad they are fake and not show pieces to be in a box or on the shelf. I've bought a lot of real dolls Tonner american girls licca chan madam Alexander lots of others but it's the fake ones I am enjoying the most.
Your doll is GORGEOUS! That wig is AWESOME!
I am old and never worried about likes on DOA. I took photos for me.
You need to be part of the DFW FB group - all legit dolls are welcome and we encourage people to create. It could be a faceup, clothing, a doll, a wig. Everyone has a learning curve to conquer.
Maaaan i wish my biggest issue is to or to not get a recast. 😅
My husband is an artist so I understand the artist point of view. However because of the community attitude, I feel like buying a recast just for spite.
My doll was layaway and she wasn't cheap got her ordered from Denver Doll. Some people can't afford dolls so this is a good way to have an expensive doll.
I hope more and more recast owners can be more honest with themselves rather than trying to seek for approval online and cry about being bullied (which IS STILL NOT OKAY by any means) and then say stuff like they dgaf and they can spend their money however they like (which is true) but they obviously do still gaf if they keep coming to videos that covers topic such as this to vent out their frustrations. Unless you’re insecure about something and feel like you did something you probably shouldn’t have, you walk the walk. Ignore the toxic people in the community. Don’t try to fit in. Join groups that accepts your dolls. Don’t give a damn about whatever negativity the “elitists” threw at you. Be more honest with yourself.
That said, I’m by no means a supporter of recasts. I’ve grown from being recast neutral person to an anti-recast. It’s just my own moral policy as an artist and not something I wish to impose upon others. I don’t have the right even if I cared to.
I understand a certain group of people in the hobby possesses very terminally online behaviours. I too find this annoying and disproportionate. Even me saying I won’t harass people who buys recast warrants an attack. Best thing to do is to really just ignore them. They’ll never go away.
there are some people that can’t afford ‘real’ dolls, such as myself and my friend. we don’t have real jobs yet people ridicule us for not buying ‘real’ dolls. i could barely afford my $185 distant memory doll (which isn’t sold by the company anymore!!!!) and i love him so much he is my third doll and that’s not to say i wouldn’t trade him for an official dm doll but i care about him no less than i would an official
thanks for this video
Thank you for being a rational person. I agree with everything you say. Things go much beyond a simple right or wrong. There are so many things to consider.
This is amazing actually this is what I felt before when I post something on some group before that’s the reason I think I went more with Blythe in some time in my life to current. Because I don’t know it seems I felt that I was actually in a hobby because people really interact with you even sends you personal messages when you asked about something. Lol though I still have my bjd s :)
I totally get this! People in the BJD hobby tend to be pretty cagey and closed, and I don't really know why. Is it a status thing? Pride? Social phobia? Either way it's super dumb and we should all be more friendly XD
I bought a recast before I knew what a recast was, and so I get hate for it now. I didn't recast it, and yet I'm a horrible person... I like my BJD and don't care that she is a recast. I dislike the negativity on the pro-artist side, it makes a lot of people avoid the community all together.
Thank you for this video. I own one recast secondhand and lately it has caused quite the stir with some people in the hobby. Honestly, it saddens me that people are so quick to judge. I love your videos, your content is great & you make me proud to be part of the BJD community
The fact is "the rich will always be on top. And the poor will always be stepped on"
Oh well can't blame it because this is the real world.
That's the reason why I buy recast dolls because of cheap. You are right, the price here in my country is RM1000 to RM6000+ (I'm from Malaysia), and also, they are only accept USD.
Well said!!
You are absolutely right
Love you.
You make great points. I can't say anything that hasn't already been said. I always love your content.
I am buying my first minifee bjd doll this christmas I know it's a recast and I couldn't care less about people's judgment, I don't have much money and little I have it was really hard to get, I've been waiting for this moment for years and always thought it was out of my reach, to have a bjd it's always been one of my dreams and it makes me infinitely happy to be able to afford one after years and years of Longing. Toxic people will always find a reason to bully others because of theit really misplaced feeling of moral superiority because they have the means to afford an original. Good for them but then they should be kinder too and leave others be happy with what they can afford.
The community scares me with how... Hateful they get. It makes me scared to ever post my doll customisation.
I grew up watching ur vids and I just got my first bjd at aged 21! Thank u for all ur years of education 💕
Is funny. I love all dolls.
Well I know I will get yelled at but I have been yelled at before so here goes ! If we didn’t have copy cats NO ONE WOULD have a car ,a house (or other types of living spaces ) card board boxes for packages ! Look around everything you see is a copy of someone’s original idea /product in one form or another ! This issue boils down to if you got the money you got Designer JEANS ! Levies we’re the original jeans ! The rest are just copied ! Love my 👖 jeans and they ain’t DESIGNER JEANS 👖 ! So these dolls are not ALL going to be Designer DOLLS ! We all want one or more ! Sorry but that’s just the way commerce works! There are more of us whom can’t afford a designer doll but that won’t stop us from buying copy cat dolls 🙀👵🏻😱😉🖖🏼👽✌🏻👍🏻
So unknowingly I bought a recast as my first doll off of eBay. How and why? The price point was nice and when I would ask in BJD groups where to find some nice dolls they would gatekeep as if I was a pleb because I didn’t have a lot of knowledge.
I also own a recast of a doll that I know I’ll never own a legit of. However, I don’t post or talk about my recast dolls in legit groups unless it is a recast friendly group.
Now that I’m a few months in, I finally got my hands on a legit doll that I’ve since made a hybrid. I love him tremendously!
Im a recast neutral person mainly because I can see it as a good entry point for those who want to try the hobby out without investing a car down payment and potential buyers remorse. It was my entry point into the hobby and it let me get a few different sculpts to see what I like so I can buy more of that type later. 🙂
I dont know if i can say any opinion , due to the fact that i was in a situation that i almost could die in starving xd so i couldnt even let myself buy even a recast (mostly the main problem was tha i couldnt even let myself have proper meal in a day xd) , and i was still young so yepp xd now i am able to stand on my own feet,and feed my family xd started as a newbie with recast but i am buying now legit ones xd i can only believe that even if someone cant afford it first,even if she/he can just buy one legit,she/he still helps the great companys to continue,every 1 piece counts 😊 i can really understand both sides,but the best thinking is that we could strive to at least support the legit companies, so they aint gonna end,they have really great works x3
the skintone argument is the most compelling imho. if you want a certain sculpt but the company does not and probably will not make it in the skintone you want it in, i dont see how that is unethical.
I'm just sad a lot of companies don't offer darker skintones. My character I want to create is like aa in skintone I guess you can say and I only know a few companies that offer that, but as you said usually the head sculpt you want doesn't exist in the color.
I just plan on dyeing the head and get a body already in the color closest to him which I already planned out.
I love you!😖🤗
Honestly had no idea that ppl were even making knock off version of Dolls . I just saw a beautiful doll and I brought it . Plus it was 260 which is a lot of money to me and the most I’ve spent on a Doll. I’m just getting into bjd I don’t think I’ll be big on collecting tho bc even the knock offs are expensive lol 😂.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You make some good points. One thing I wanted to point out, though. You mention that it’s not like murder or drug trafficking. Counterfeiting actually funds the drug trade and other illegal activity. I suggest reading the Wikipedia entry on counterfeiting. It was illuminating for me and my start down the rabbit hole of researching counterfeiting. There is some heartbreaking information out there about the child labor practices (like handbag counterfeiters breaking children’s legs so they can’t run away) and human rights violations of counterfeiters. We would be kidding ourselves if we believed that the counterfeiters who make recast dolls wouldn’t adopt such awful practices. It’s like your comparison to the puppy mill. I will not fund someone who runs a puppy mill, enabling them to run a business that harms dogs, just like I won’t fund counterfeiters, who harm human beings. Counterfeiting is a very serious issue, much more serious than I realized before I started researching it.
It was like that in the lps community
I just ordered my first bjd. I had no idea of recast is as I'm from a country where doll collecting is unheard of and most doll brands except Barbie fashionistas are either not available or 3-4x times the price. I'm pretty sure legit ones will never be available here. 😅 but I got a super cute recast. I can actually afford to buy the legit doll but I cannot afford to travel to a different country for it 😅 I can try online 2nd hands but chances of those being recast is also pretty high. So yes it may be a little shady but hello, capitalism wins. Isn't this exactly what Amazon is doing to local businesses? economy of scale always wins. Until I get access to legits in my country, I'm going to make do with recasts. Can some type of copyright not work for this industry? Like if a legit doll is recast, the artist gets a royalty? This would help the artist & also make their work more accessible & affordable. It seems to be a case of very poorly regulated market.
What if authentic dolls are too expensive for someone?
You can always put aside money for the doll you want. BJD dealers like BJDiva, Alice's Collections, and Legenddoll does layayway in longer months. I believe buying directly from the conpany as well offer layayway, but probably not on the lengths you want.
That's just one way I know.
Seeing the amount of arguing and really terrible behavior from the pro artist side toward the recast side is a massive turn off to join this already very clickish hobby. If you're not already part of the "cool kids club", then you get shunned, ignored, etc. I got to deal with that in high school. I certainly don't want to be involved in that sort of stuff now. Oh, the Prom queen has a list of demands so I can walk past her table. LOL For the noob, so you go and introduce yourself. Might get 1 or 2 that actually say hi back.....then you read about what a horrible person *you* are for buying a recast.....a horrible person being judged by people who *act* horrible to each other. Um, kay.....it really is a very odd community. Not very welcoming at all. And now...now they are going to keep out new people getting into the hobby like a lot of people, had no idea what recasts were, etc. I'm a grown woman. I am not going to throw myself at someone's feet begging forgiveness over the purchase of a doll. LOL I found a pretty friendly board with recasters and now, because proartists lurk on the recaster sites (wow, who the hell has that sort of time on their hands, seriously)...and now I am "outed" as a dunt, dunt, dunnnn…..horrible, terrible, should be burned at the stake recast owner. LOL In the real world, this is a ridiculous thing to come across. Surreal.
aaaaand here you have the reason I don't like what I've seen from Den of Angels (admittedly, it might be different if I actually had registered rather than browsing what I could as a guest, but the vibe I got was off-putting enough as it was that I didn't *want* to be part of that: I feel I'd be burned at the stake or worse for my ignorance or the fact that I'm currently limited to, as someone else put it, "cheap vinyl playscale"). I'd rather support the artist, and I'd rather people not knowingly buy a recast, but I'm not going to judge someone for their decisions. If they're going to be rude and snobbish or whatever to the newbies, then I'd rather not associate with them, even if they seem to welcome me.
@@sadmac356 I've been apart of DoA for 10 years now and the rules against being rude are so strict I have no idea how anyone could get a bad 'vibe' from there lol. If anything I'd suspect newbies would find the forumn a little boring. I mean if anybody can point me to a thread with meanies and drama by all means let me at her.
people hate recasts cause they wish they had spend that little money for a beautiful doll instead of hundreds ;)
as an artist myself i understand the importance of paying the original artist, though :)
Ok reality check folks ain't nobody gonna tell me how ty o spend my own money and they aren't tell me that they are the supposed experts on what I need or like . They can have an option in my life. Ok now if someone should the idea from a doll artist then internet attack them cause I gotta tell ya the elitism and stuck attitude has turned alot of peoe from the bjd community me and my 6 granddaughters and 5 great nieces are a few.
I have just got into this hobby but I think you mean the same sort of thing as why you wouldn't want to copy a tattoo for instance, there's more than one reason but I think they are very personal and I certainly wouldn't want anything drawn on me permanently, that's a copy of someone else's idea (apart from myself and the tattoo artist). I think anything that has an artistic basis shouldn't be copied. I would never slaveishly attempt to copy repaints as I prefer to use people to be the models for any faceups I do. I don't think you can copy individual faces, only make a representation of how you see that person. Of course it's horrible to think of people plagiarising your work and it should be avoided, however if you are new to this, like me, it would be difficult to be a hundred percent sure that a doll you buy isn't a copy... however, I reckon with time you would have a better idea of which dolls look like what and individual artistic styles within the hobby?
i’d rather buy a recast doll honestly if it means still getting a doll without having my parents pay sm for a doll
Welp recast are not bad its just the comunity
Recasts spur on companies to keep making super, limited edition only 10 in the world sculpts. The end game of recasts is even more limited options for new and "real" dolls in the long run so I don't support it.
I'm going to be honest, the bjd community is more toxic than any community/fandom I have been or am still in...like luxury bags. people are super chill in the luxury bag community, because at the end of the day, it's other people's money and not yours so shut up XD