Please keep it civil. To reiterate, if Justin's videos and/or message spoke to you or impacted your life in some positive way, you should not feel ashamed about that fact today.
"Justin has been fired from Channel Awesome for gross misconduct and is also banned for life from all Channel Awesome functions and events. We cannot go into details for legal reasons but we also felt it was our duty to disclose to the community what we can". That's all it would have taken.
Yes, but Channel Awesome was/is run by people who are not really good at running a media company or managing people in general. They may have realized that publishing a notice like the one you drafted might open then up for a lawsuit because they allowed Mr. Carmical to be a member for so long, so keeping quiet seemed to be easier (my understanding is they lacked any sort of legal counsel, so they were winging it.) Channel Awesome was a perfect storm of incompetence, sleazy practices, office sexual skeeze, and endless ego from the brothers still involved.
Based on the atrocious responses CA made after the #Changethechannel stuff I'd say that the company doesn't have a very good legal team, if they even have a lawyer on retainer at all.
@@msminmichigan alot of the stuff been debunked so i would agrue they handled it fine. its only people on twitter slap fighting about not getting spring water on movie shoots handled by CA fighting about it anymore
The moral of the events- don't ever put anybody on a pedestal. Jewwario was martyred into sainthood but all it took was a Twitter user asking Obscurus Lupa about her thoughts on Nostalgia Critic's IT review that led to a chain reaction of events in April that revealed Jewwario's dark side. People want monsters to be easily recognized. The cold hard truth is there are monsters everywhere, and they can be those we see as beloved figures. I hated to learn about Jewwario being what he was but he is the only one responsible for his own legacy. Not TGWTG, not his victims, but himself. Putting people on pedestals is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
2023, I just started watching Game Chasers and came upon this story. Never knew about him until today and never liked him from what I saw in Game Chasers cause something was off about him. As someone that lives in Japan and is married, gaijin that love Japanese culture too much come off as strange, like he did. Like something ain’t right. Never a fan of his and he should be treated like a criminal as he was, TH-camr or not. Being popular on social media doesn’t give you a clean slate to commit rape, which is equal to murder. If you don’t think those 2 crimes are equally bad, then go and talk to rape victims and understand the trauma and destruction that rape brings upon someone. I wish I never learned about the guy.
This brought back a lot for me. A teacher who really touched my life was revealed to have been preying on female students for years, including friends of mine. After he was outed, he committed suicide before charges were brought against him. He was such a legend of the community - for his work with kids, by and large - and there was this massive deification of him. People didn't speak about what he'd done, and it was really really hard to watch people sing his praises, even other teachers who knew what had happened. You're left with this horrendous feeling of "How much of that person who was great to me was real? How much of that was just a mask? This person gave me confidence to perform on stage - how can I take that from someone who hurt so many people, including people I care about a lot." It's a horrendous situation, and you really are left with more questions and virtually never any answers.
I think in a hard situation like that you have to look at this person as a coin with two sides. If you got something positive out of your interactions with them, you can still appreciate that while respecting that there was another side of them that was disgusting. You don't have to feel guilty for enjoying your time with your teacher because you didn't know about what was going on. Take the positive that you got from them, do your best to respect and support the victims, and try to move on. That's all you can do.
"Inside each of us, there is the seed of both good and evil. It's a constant struggle as to which one will win. And one cannot exist without the other." -Eric Burdon
My heart sank when Ian said he thought of Justin as a "safe person," but now sees that as his "M.O." That's just disappointing when a realization like that unveils itself.
"Dead people are glorified." That is very true. We had this close family friend who was arrogant and a real jerk (mostly to me) and kind of a drain on my dad and stepmother. None of us *really* liked him- it was mainly that the family felt sorry for him because of a condition he suffered from... And then, he died, and it's like he suddenly because a saint in some people's eyes.
@@georgesalisbury5996 Yeah but they cannot contribute in either sense good or bad. And there is something sad about losing people especially if you have SOME good memories
Roger Gurman I fail to see how Lupa has anything to do with this. Hell, if she was influencing Phelous that much, he would've gotten rid of all of his crossover reviews with Doug.
Otaking And why would she want him to do that? Also, many have noted over the years that Phelous's style in his reviews had been influenced by Lupa's. For better or worse.
Roger Gurman You didn't read the Google doc or watch her video about #ChangeTheChannel ? Well, while Mike Michaud might've been the one that bullied Lupa and fired her from CA, the Walkers aren't innocent, either. Doug claimed he'd talk to Michaud after his antagonism made her go cry in the bathroom, but later Doug ended up siding with Michaud. After years of people incorrectly assuming she was still on good terms with Doug, Lupa decided to clear the air of any confusion, which eventually led to the creation of the Google doc.
Thank you both so much, and thank you especially Pat for bringing up how cowardly and foolish it was of the higher-ups at CA for hiding this. As a sexual assault survivor myself, every time someone from CA defended that lack of action as "not our story to tell" I was sickened. You are absolutely right, there are ways of both protecting the victims and outing the predator. Thank you again for being a voice of strength and integrity during this time. If your approach had been taken in alerting the community it may have spared other victims.
It’s a disastrous situation all around. His widow posted a status on Facebook several months ago saying that leading up to his suicide, she didn’t even know he’d been fired from Channel Awesome, and she’s still being made to ask answer for his behavior. That’s how quiet he kept that part of his life. I can’t imagine finding out the person you love had this totally different persona outside of your bubble. And then all the added layers: that people knew and did nothing, that his victims kept it quiet because you’re a widow of suicide and didnt want to hurt you more, or they didn’t want you to retaliate. I just. I can’t imagine what his widow is going through. It’s like she lost him twice.
Justin's "You're not stupid" video has brought me to tears in the past. I still listen to it when I feel really down in the dumps. It is really a shame that all this has to be him. It really sucks.
I used to make videos a few years ago, was doing ok considering I wasn't popular etc, nearly 100k views. I used to be a total slave to social media and so I would try and get to know or speak to other content creators. There was a UK creator with a few thousand subs, actively bragging and dating underage female fans. When I called him out on it I got death threats for three years from anonymous posters on Tumblr, ask.fm etc, to the point where I've completely quit making stuff on TH-cam. The ignorance of some popular youtubers; the idea that they are somehow exempt from moral obligation or the law because of popularity made me feel completely rotten and alone. I want to make videos again one day but it left such a mark on me I don't think I'll ever. I'm actually scared to put something out there for fear of the death threats coming back. This whole Jewwario scenario touched a nerve with me, these ignorant monsters need to be held accountable and get help before it goes to their heads
Honestly, most TH-camrs turn out to have some serious skeletons in their closets. I guess it's not surprising when you have a group of people who like nerdy things and probably weren't the most popular people back in school or college that suddenly begin viewing themselves as huge superstars, that some shit starts to come out. People tend to forget that this is basically just any random internet forum with its share of freaks and weirdos except with a webcam instead of a 40x40 image next to a post about someone's sneeze fetish or whatever.
If you do come back make sure for your own mental health you are at a place where if you get threats again it wont mess with you. I hate to say it but realistically if you put yourself out there online you probably are going to get hateful and even threatening comments at some point.
Yeah I know, I was very naive back then, I'm a lot better these days, living with my fiancee, solid job. Just have that nagging thing that I can't do what I enjoyed doing because of it. Then again I'd probably deal with it a whole lot better this time around!
Ignorant monster... I guess you would be happy to know that he is suffering in hell, not that he deserved it. Call me immoral but i disagree with your sentiment that he was a monster. a True monster would've killed them, not just raped. How sure are you that he did not have a guilty Conscience afterwards, that his death was out of grief and remorse rather than arrogance? He deserves to be judged based on his gifts to society, not what happened. If the victims accused with malicious intent, then i weep for him. regardless, he did not deserve to die
Marzgirl put out a very powerful video , she seems to be upset and possibly blame herself, I can understand her feelings , but wasn't her or anyones fault ( unless people tried to hide it and pretend it didn't exist ) ,but she also made it clear not to blame his family. Its worth watching !
Dugon man Everyone who has spoken about it one way or another who was in a position to know about these events have all corroborated that the allegations are correct. Even Channel Awesome, who had every reason to deny that Justin ever raped anybody, owned up to it, hell they were the ones who outed him in the first place. At this point you would need some pretty hard evidence to convince anyone that it *didn't* happen.
chocobros1 every one has spoken about hearsay and rumors. They're recounting stories they heard from a friend of a friend and, in this #metoo climate, it's not shocking that people would back away from anyone even remotely connected to sexual misconduct. It's not hard evidence nor proof, just allegations. Not saying it's not true, but I'm not saying it's false. I need better evidence then "listen and believe". That's how we ended up With the Salem witch trials.
Common_C3nts Except they have. Multiple people in the know have come forward with it such as Justin's victims and Count Jackula among others and again, Channel Awesome straight up admitted to knowing about it and doing fuck all. You're the one who's stupid if you're just going to turn a blind eye and pretend like people calling out Justin's crimes are unsubstantiated.
I really don't think his fans should feel bad, he did review videos, he wasn't a vlog channel, he had a persona that was not him, you should not feel bad because you enjoy someone's videos.
KamenGamerRetro I don't get it. Are agreeing with me? You watch a person's videos and enjoy them, that doesn't mean you know the person who made them. That's separating the artist from the art.
I don't make strangers into heroes. It's immature and only sets one up for disappointment. I've also never set eyes on Jewario outsider of a browser window. That said, his videos did a lot to demystify import gaming and gave me the push I needed to take the plunge into playing and reviewing Famicom and Super Famicom titles, which has been a whole hell of a lot of fun. Even the PC Engine I just ordered from Japan would probably not have happened if it hadn't been for this guy's work. Even at such a remove, it's still a bit unnerving to know that someone who successfully influenced my life was a creep. Just an tragedy on so many levels.
You had to have been the only kid on the planet not to idolize an athlete, rock star, or freakin' astronaut. It's not about the person, really. Like Pat said, it's the message that counts.
I think there's value to still remembering and discussing the "good" influences he had on our lives, if only to show that just about anyone can be guilty of this kind of thing. While it can be tempting, never assume that a person is too saintly to be guilty of sexual harassment if an accuser comes forward. You needn't outright believe it and convict the accused in your mind from minute one, but don't involve yourself and attack the accuser as so many did in this instance. They must be respected and taken seriously regardless of who is being implicated. People have always been capable of compartmentalizing their lives, and those who might be great most of the time can still have monsters inside of them that they only reveal to a select few.
I disagree, i dont think theres anything wrong with making people that you dont know personally into heroes and theres nothing inmature about it, its part of human nature, heroes can inspire you to be better and to do great things. And yes it can set you for dissapointment, but if you are so scared of dissapointment, failure and being hurt then maybe you could avoid all that by closing yourself from the entire world and your own emotions, but by doing that you would become unable to enjoy anything, thats life to you it always has been a risk and reward system. Of course sometimes making someone into a hero can make some people unable to accept the truth once its revealed, but as long as you can accept the facts and not become a delucional fanboy i dont think theres anything wrong with it.
The thing is with this type of "internet celebrity" a lot of people do feel a personal connection to these individuals because there often is some level of interaction/communication. When they're exchanging comments/likes/chats/Patreon interaction etc. with someone, a lot of people do feel like they're forging a bond with these producers that isn't often seen with other types of public figure and their fans. IMHO that's a big part of why this stuff often gets so personal for so many. (not that people don't get invested with mainstream celebrities either though)
I'm really struggling. I loved Justin as a fan and I was really fucking wrecked when he killed himself. However, I have been sexually assaulted three times and I can no longer watch his videos knowing that he did that to many sweet women. And that they had no real support in defending himself. I'm at such a loss.
Something I learned working in Journalism: one day you're going to have to cover a story about someone you know doing something you never thought possible. For me it was a close friend who went on a fishing trip with his roommates, they all got drunk and decided to drive home. My friend was driving, he crashed the car into a tree. His roommates died and he was paralyzed from the waist down. It sucks to be in that position.
Tough subject to go over especially when it’s someone you call a friend. I appreciate pats and Ian’s honesty and they didn’t have to share their opinions or experiences when it comes to Jew wario. This is one of the reasons why I’m a fan of you guys. You could’ve skipped the subject or even defended your fallen friend. You did the hard thing and speak the truth even when you can tell it hurt you personally to do so. And on a Side note. If channel awesome knew of these allegations why were they not reported? They’re just as guilty as Jew wario for not bringing these inappropriate allegations to the proper authorities. Thanks pat and Ian for your brutal honesty.
Dude this sucks. I remember when Justin killed himself. Justin even lived in the same State as me, in a city less then 2 hours away from me. I was going through a bad depression at the time and had mild suicidal feelings myself. I remember I reached out to the guys on Famicom Dojo about it and Vinnk wrote me back with a great, heartfelt email. Now it all feels wrong and stupid.
frylock456 it’s like they said in the video the message is still the message you can still view it as a heartwarming experience, but it might be a good idea to separate it from the messenger
shinhawk go listen to other wrestlers shoot on the fact he was framed (not saying I do believe, but you never know). You’ll be singing a different tune.
yeah I always thought that shit was creepy no matter the situation (like if you're at work or at a party or whatever).. those people who just walk up and do that shoulder rubbing thing.even if they really aren't a sex freak or whatever its still incredibly fucking weird and at the very least its inappropriate.
I'm glad Ian and Pat where together when they addressed this. To Ian's point, this is one of the reasons it takes a very, very long time to grant sainthood to an individual.
I was just noticing (again) that he looks pretty chubby compared to earlier years. I figured it had to do with his illness. If you people say he's improving, that makes me glad.
This seriously makes me feel so relieved. I was never a hardcore fan of his, so I *want* to think that if I knew someone like that in real life, or followed them closely online, that I wouldn't be so easily fooled. We would all like to think that probably. But seriously, I can't tell you how much of a weight it takes off my chest to know that at least *someone* wasn't fooled.
As someone who hasn't read the 70+ page document, I find it a bit frustrating how vague everyone is when talking about Justin. "Sexual predator" has lost a lot of meaning in recent years and no one's saying anything that was really "bad" when commenting.
This, more than anything, is why I'm done with Channel Awesome and Nostalgia Critic forever. A lot of the more severe stuff from the initial doc could have been blamed squarely on Mike Michaud, while what the Walkers were more directly guilty of could have been justified from lack of experience or fear of Mike and could have easily been forgiven with a sincere apology and a promise to do better in the future. And when it was unknown who was the person grooming people, benefit of the doubt could at least let me believe that while late, their addressing of the issue was properly done to the point that the perpetrator was removed from the community and people at risk would have been warned. But now we know who it was, there can be no doubt that it was improperly handled and there was no way the Walkers did not know of it. In order to avoid controversy, they knowingly put their own community in danger. I'm saying this as someone who not too long ago considered himself an avid Channel Awesome fan; I am glad that this came back to bite them in the ass. Fuck them.
Sometimes you just need to separate the work from the person that made it. H.P. Lovecraft made some of my favorite stories, but the dude was a huge racist, and Alfred Hitchcock was a sexual deviant. It sucks, but the truth is that not everyone who does something you like is a good person.
jacob p Hitchcock a sexual deviant? I’ve heard the exact opposite. He was A-sexual and turned down advances by females but would talk about sexual things at inappropriate times and liked to tell sexual jokes
Just like Chris Benoit, one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, even though he murdered his wife and son i can still watch his old matches and enjoy them.
Man, it must suck for Ian. I have a feeling that he saw him as something of a father figure if not a hero in some sense. Ian is surely not the the only person either. That really sucks to see something like this come out and shatter so many people he's touched when he was alive.
Pat, I want to thank you for giving me closure on this issue. While I never met justin, and like many others I only knew him through his videos. I took a lot of the accusations to heart, facing the reality of what was going on was hard to accept. I didn't put him on a pedestal like others did, I enjoyed the messages he gave to not only me but others. The past week I constantly tired rationalize how somebody who seemed so positive in his messages, could have such a dark side. At the end of his life, it was no secret he had his demons, while I never blamed the victims, I felt if the people who just swept this under the rug spoke sooner maybe Justin may have gotten the help he needed. It's been a real struggle to ponder how to process all of this and it's really made me see the grey in this sometimes black and white world we live in.
Burn The Old Gods (And The New Ones As Well For All I Care) I'm fairly sure he meant the guys from Channel Awesome who knew and did nothing, not the victims. That being said, the abusing part of the suspected "abuser" still needs to be proven. I'll remind you that the victim who came forward was drunk to the point of passing out at the time the alleged abuse took place, and Justin was drunk also. That's not an excuse, but who the hell knows what one drunk person could have told another before passing out, coming to and forgetting half the things that were said and done?
Roger Gurman If they were both drunk, then neither party should be held accountable for what happened. If women can get off scott free and not face any consequences for their inebriated actions, then so should men.
This whole incident broke my heart, but the truth is that Justin helped save my life and I will be forever grateful. Nobody is perfect, everyone has a darkside. I usually avoid idolizing someone but his words helped save me. I definitely hate what he did but I am no longer going to hate myself for getting helped by someone like that.
I feel for you and the others who were close to Justin. To have these assertions brought to light can't be easy and I was tearing up watching Marzgirl's video on the topic.
Thank you, Pat, and Ian. I was waiting to see if you said anything. I was also scared of what you both would say. I look up to you both, and I looked up to Justin. And all I can say, is this fucking hurts. I feel bad for the community. I feel bad for you both, for marzgurl, for Justin's family, and for his victims. This is awful. I am glad to have people like you both in the community. You both have good heads on your shoulders, and even if I don't always agree with you both, at least I know what I'm getting. Thanks for that. I hope you can both get past this, as the rest of us are trying to do.
Pat's point is certainly very understandable, especially as someone who took Justin on without being aware of what was happening (and based on the logs CA themselves released, they never told Justin the real reason they were breaking off from him either). But with the alleged victims not wanting to make formal complaints or press charges for the specific reason that they were afraid of retaliation, some people were between a rock and a hard place. That retaliation wasn't just to have been from Justin or lawyers, etc. I think its important to also specify it can be the *fans* and the internet at large. We know what the internet can be like. People have been digging into trying to find out who Jane Doe was and the other victims since the document was released. With some of the other little tidbits that have since came out since CA themselves managed to narrow it down to Justin, yes, people have already named and contacted some of those victims. We know there are people out there that think they are liars and we know there are others that will try to torment them just because that's how they get their kicks. I can understand wanting to protect people from that - who knows how far it can really go. We live in a world were SWATing is a thing after all. For some of the people that concealed it, I suspect it was a business decision and little more. We say they will have to live with it, but they might not even care enough to give it much thought beyond how it affects *them*. Guilt or responsibility is by no means guaranteed. It's food for thought when we consider that the Walkers were aware of this at CA and Doug still went and did a tribute video. He did that and he knew about the allegations. I do however feel that at least some of the people that knew also agonised over it - They knew in trying to protect some people they were potentially putting others at risk. Really, its a very shitty situation all round.
Oh bullshit - people make so much excuses for him as before. He more than likely was under the pressure and broke. It wasn't about saving the world by ending his life or some shit. The guy was a horrible person. That one girl up there talking about how much she 'loved him, does love him, will always love him' - how many times do you think they were fucking? It would of been better if he *DID NOT TAKE HIS LIFE* , admitted to his troubles and sought help - suicide is the fuck all stupidest way to end things. You create problems - so fix them.
I haven't finished watching it yet, buy I'm proud that you guys are willing to talk about this. It's a really touchy subject and I commend you. Edit: I just finished and this is the most level headed, reasonable video on this topic. Good job guys.
Best address video on that issue. I'll be honest I was fan of YCPT, pretty sad after all of this revelation. Personally I think Justin wasn't hiding behind the mask he was who he was, but I also believe he hided some of his inner demons deep inside from other people. Sometimes people may contain surprisingly different values and ideas inside, we just have to accept that he was such a person. Human mind is complex that all I can say.
I just wanted to say as a long time fan of both Pat, Ian and Justin, This was all a shock for me personally and the way you guys handled this made me appreciate you two more then i thought was possible. Thank you
I'm disgusted by the fact that people knew this guys was a potential threat, but decided not to do anything about it. It's like Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville in the UK; people knew they were a threat, but kept it quiet. It sickens me.
I love how some people have started to blame Justin's victims because they didn't come out at the time and don't understand how sexual assault affects people. It actually makes me angry. Thanks humanity. And people tend to forget that in the doc, the victim referred to Justin as 'producer' and Justin was anonymous. It was CA who revealed it was Justin. edit: basically what Ian said at 14:14
Bonus points: According to Marzgurl, the Jane Doe CA was talking about (whose case was the "actually it was three weeks" screenshots that ousted Justin) wasn't even the Jane Doe the document talked about. They were two separate cases that CA themselves linked together.
Roger Gurman oh please, just accept that he did it. They aren’t creative enough to come up with fake evidence, and the Jane Does have specifically named Justin after the leak
"They aren't creative enough to come up with fake evidence." Dude these are the same guys that had fans convinced that Nostalgia Critic's feud with Angry Video Game Nerd was real when he first started out. If anything they are more than qualified to fake us out with anything.
One thing that kinda makes me wonder after these revelations of Justin’s past is his motives behind committing suicide. I am in no way denying that Justin had a severe battle with depression, nor am I intentionally trying to downplay the incredibly terrible effects that depression can have on a person, (I do apologize in advance if this comment comes off as this way). A lot of people right now are speculating pretty much every aspect of Justin’s life trying to see how this revelation blind sided them as much as it did. Ian made an excellent point about this when he recalled his first meeting with Justin and considered him a “safe” person. Was Justin using that persona as a facade so that nobody expected him of anything as heinous as being a sexual predator? Going back to Justin’s suicide, his severe bout with depression definitely played a HUGE role in why he inevitably chose to end his life. As these stories about Justin’s true past are starting to come out, It does make me wonder if he felt guilty about his actions and did that also lead him to commit suicide? With everything else right now, (besides the sexual predator allegations which I believe are true) this only speculation. At the end of the day, it will not change anything, and the truth is only known by one person....
I can relate to Ian immensely. I had more than my fair share of encounters with Justin over the years, and every time we met, he was always friendly and encouraging of my efforts in entertainment. I'd be a liar if I denied that he had a part to play with influencing my decisions in creating a blog or pursuing an online radio show. With the recent uncovering and allegations about Justin, it makes me call into question everything I thought I knew about the man. I can only hope that now his victims can find some semblance of peace of mind going forward. It's a rough situation no matter which way you turn it.
So sorry to hear all of this come to light... I like that you're reassuring people to not feel bad for taking something from the more positive messages Justin Carmical left; dark or not, there can still be something good taken (not that that excuses other actions). We're really sorry for all of the fans that may feel letdown by all of this.
What Pat said about the people who knew not saying anything, THAT is exactly what I've been saying since this whole thing broke. I personally feel betrayed not just by Justin but by all of these people who knew this and didn't come out until years after the guy's dead. I took my kids to meet this asshole, I defended him and shed tears over this monster, and all for what?! Because some people thought it better to keep this terrible secret under their hat, for whatever reason, and in doing so you put all of us in danger. I'm sorry but I'm really angry at those people that did not come forward with this information. I don't wanna bash the victims here, but as a father with 2 girls that met this guy, right now I just don't know how to reconcile my anger over this issue yet, so I'm sorry if it comes off that way.
Damn. I got into Justin's videos a few months before he passed and donated to that suicide prevention fund in his name after. He was the one that got me into imports, and I've recommended his show "You Can Play This" to others looking to get into imports. He did always have a trustworthy, Mr. Rogers-like vibe to him which is sooo much creepier in hindsight. Like just about everyone else I was blindsided by these allegations, and it's depressing and infuriating at the same time. I really liked his content, but as a person it looks like he was a monster the whole time which is heartbreaking.
This is also a thing in the UK, started snowballing with Jimmy Saville, then all of a sudden all these entertainers have been investigated (sometimes with false accusations)
God, everything that comes to light with Channel Awesome just gets worse and worse. Then again, It would be even worse if it stayed hidden for the potential victims that may have stayed quiet. At least this way, they may get the help that they need to move on and some sort of peace as the truth finally comes out.
I guess the big question in my mind about JewWario is how did all of this happen? Was there not one person that could have turned Justin away from the dark path he was walking down? Was there no one to be a voice of reason and sanity for him?
Humans are multi-faceted and extremely complex. If Justin was guilty of what he's being accused of, then that's obviously horrible, but I feel it's an equally vile sentiment to suggest the positive aspects of who he was were somehow just an "act". Why do we always have to categorize people as either a "good person" or a "bad person"? Why can't we be both? We're not just the sum average of our overall behavior. The Yin doesn't cancel out the Yang. All light casts shadows.
Especially in today's very political climate, it's easier for people to just file each other under "good" or "bad". Nobody wants to acknowledge that everyone has both light and dark sides (albeit to various degrees), just like nobody likes to admit their enemy can do truly nice things, or that their friend can do truly vile things.
So you're saying that if you do something really bad in your life, it's literally impossible to do anything good and legitimately mean it? If so, does that also mean that it's impossible for anyone to ever redeem themselves? Also, how is it you've determined that his bad behavior is "at his core", and moreover, to the exclusion of all else?
"You cannot be a good person after sexually violating someone", so Prison Reentry and repentance mean nothing? God can forgive all sins, but who are you to judge your neighbor? You are extremely ignorant! Darkness within? Did christ die for nothing, or are we all beyond redemption? NO! I believe that he can be redeemed and set free from the lake of fire from which he now resides, because I believe that Christ will rescue him. I cannot belive what you have just said, were i your father or mother, i would disown you in a second.
you have no clue of what I truly mean. Imagine a place of darkness, fire and ash. Wouldn't you want a second chance? all you can hear are screams, all you can be reminded of are your sins. what do I need to do to make it more clear?
Thank you so much for doing this video. I was hoping to hear your take on everything. I never for a moment thought you knew or was hiding anything but I respect the work you guys do. I'm sure it was a shock to hear and very hard to process someone you considered (on any level) a friend. I hope Billy and Jay are also fine as I know they loved the guy a lot. Keep your heads up and thanks again for doing this podcast.
Thank you for addressing this. It was the right thing to do. It clearly hurts both of you to come up in public and speak about this, but it had to be done. And I respect both of you for that even more so than I already did. Thanks.
Grooming an 18 year old girl? What is the difference between grooming a legal aged girl, and seducing a legal aged girl. I am not being argumentative I am genuinely curious of what differentiates the two.
His death hit me harder than any mainstream celebrity death ever did because of how small and close-knit TH-cam fan communities feel. But it is also because of how small and personal these fandoms can get that his actual actions make me feel more disgusted than many of the big controversies in entertainment these days. It just sucks to have memories tainted like this. I can't imagine how it is like for the people who actually knew him and I especially cannot imagine how it was for his victims for him to be put up on a pedestal.
I had people telling ME I'm a bad person for criticizing one of the people who knew but didn't speak up. Yeah, this person knew a man was sexually grooming fans and did nothing in order to "protect the victims", and yet I'm the bad guy here.
Sexual assault is a complicated thing, and coming forward in a blaze of glory to denounce your attacker is not always so clear cut and easy. I don't think you're a bad person, but you have to look at it from their point of view.
But knowing WHAT exactly? That's the thing. What if you hear allegations but can't prove it or don't even believe they could be true? You could potentially screw somebody's life up or risk some kind of defamation lawsuit. I get it if you have first hand knowledge and/or there's an actual case. Short of that I don't know what you could actually do.
auxilliarydrain Mabye do an report to the police and let the police do an investigation. However im glad they didnt just go and tell media, due of mob justice.
Jacob Hill They could have reported it to authorities, who often don’t take these things seriously unfortunately, or like Pat said at least make convention staff aware. I agree completely, they handled it horribly but nobody other than the victims should be able to make it known to the general public though. Sadly people have a tendency to play “internet detective” and will try to figure out who the victims are and hound them about it, that invasion of privacy can cause victims to relive their trauma. At least when they come forward to the public themselves they get to keep some autonomy.
"Nobody but the victims should be able to make it known to the general public" That's precisely how monsters get away with this horseshit for years, because the abuser has influenced them. They may still feel they are friends. They may not want to bring down Channel Awesome. They may have a thousand reasons, and you'll notice most victims that don't speak up have a thousand reasons too, and they all say they feel much better when they finally talk about it. So yeah, no. The convention staff should've been told. Silence just made it worse, for EVERYONE. I GET IT. I DO. But no.
JewWario was a very complex person. I don't think you can paint him as all good or all bad. He isn't one of those unredeamable monsters that were just plain evil. He had both good and bad inside him but I would say he did more good than bad. I remember hearing him say on one of his streams that he never knew his father and was raised by his grandparents. There was definitely a shadow side that he kept from everyone.
@@messiahgodstar7609 oh look, you are a right wing Christian. Why am I not surprised your brain is completely broken and you think this is somehow acceptable and try to explain it away. Seek help.
I’m so sorry to hear. I can’t imagine how difficult it is to have to wrestle with those thoughts and emotions of someone you knew being very different. All I can say is that there was no way you could tell at the moment. As far as how much of it was a facade, sometimes people can have both a very good and very bad side mixed in together. I do appreciate your honesty and allowing the truth to come out, despite him being a former friend. You two are doing the best you can with the cards at hand. I never really commented before but I’ve been enjoying your videos and podcast for years now. And while I don’t know you personally, from your responses, you seem like a man of integrity (you too, Ian). Also, the majority of the comment section right now is civil, intelligent, and nuanced.
It is always who you least expect. The whole ordeal was handled poorly by a lot of people. This is, as far as I know, not something that people deal with often, so it is understandable that people did not know what to do. All I can say is that people should learn a lot from this. But man, this is still something that is hard to accept....
Probably most of the people in Hollywood are just as bad if not worse than JewWario. That's what just a little bit of fame can do to a guy if he's not careful. So you could go nuts worrying about this every time you watch a movie or listen to music. JW is dead, he paid the price for what he allegedly did. Don't stress over it if you enjoyed his work.
People who have a predatory personality know how to manipulate you into liking and trusting them, but ultimately you can't hide who you are forever. I just wish people had felt like they could come forward sooner.
I think the worst part is that the people who will , as Pat puts it "have to live with it" (in regards to those who didn't tell anyone) they probably can. To be able to just say nothing I feel they must be unfeeling bastards.
When i heard that he had passed on that's how I was introduced to him. I never became a super fan but I enjoyed some of his videos. That being said I never ever in a million years would have ever thought any of this. This is truly eye opening
No matter if you believe the allegations or not, there are some at Channel Awesome that knew something was going on and DID NOTING ABOUT IT. Also keep in mind i'm not just talking bout the Walker Brothers, but other former contributors as well. J***Otaku being one them..
ikr, you always hear that sort of stuff and most of time friends, neighbours and family members say that they thought they knew him/her. I mean you shouldn't get paranoid but it makes you wonder how good you can actually know someone. So depressing.
Love the podcast...glad to see Ian is doing better. I attended Magfest 2013 and Jewwario seemed really off the entire con physically...and didn't seem like he was in a good place. Thanks for talking about this in a professional way.
Justin clearly had a lot of demons in his own life. I think that it is best for the rest of us to honor the privacy of all those involved though. At this point, it is between the victims and Justin's family to decide where to go from here. I can't say I've really ever been a fan of Justin's work, but I think it is important for his fans to be able to separate JewWario ,the character, from Justin Carmical, the creator. Putting people on a higher pedestal only leaves for disappointment when you find out that they aren't who you think they are. Justin may have been a horrible person in real life, but it shouldn't take away from his videos.
Totally empathize with Pat on this one. Similar thing happened at my work place. I knew the guy, probably closer than Pat was to Justin, but was still totally clueless on the things he did to others. You will have good memories still in your mind, but now they're tainted by what you now know about that person. You're left with absolute disappointment in the person you thought you knew and, as Ian stated, a concern for the victims.
but the girl in the allegation was 18... She said she was young at heart... thats kind of BS just to make it sound bad. She was 18, she was old enough to make decisions on her own.
He's saying one of them was consensual and is just post sex regret, basically. I don't know for that one since we don't have all the details, but one of them is rape for sure.
The one thing I'll say is, I feel bad for his family and wife. To lose your son or brother (if he had siblings that is) And then to find out this is who he was is unimaginable.
I know I sometimes give you guys shit for video game stuff , but you guys really approached this topic in the best possible way . I imagine this couldn't have been easy to talk about , much less articulate for a podcast video . Good job guys guys at addressing it and being true professionals . Thank you .
I knew Justin, interacting with him a lot on imports. Very regularly. Never met him, would have loved to. Just learning about this now... very rough. Speechless.
I have never watched the guy, in fact I never until heard of him until Pat talked about him after he died, but it seems to me like a lot of people are jumping the gun to condemn him. Now I am not saying he didn't do it, but from what I understand there is one accusation from a person whom hasn't been disclosed, which is understandable, and he can't defend himself. Now maybe he was a predator as everyone is saying, or maybe there was an accusation made against him and instead of dealing with it channel awesome just fired him. If they had any evidence or actually thought he had done it I would think they would have let everyone know but I could be wrong. I'm also not saying he was a good guy, apparently he was cheating on his wife, but could it be plausible that he was seeing that girl and for some reason got mad at him and made the accusations. Again, its very possible he did these things but it could also be something we don't know. But my question is should he be condemned before we know without a doubt because right now it all sounds like speculation.
When its in a instance like this 9/10 times is a lie. I would understand if he was still living and it was fear of him but when he was dead then well I don't know. The source must be considered as well. Some people make a small thing that may have been nothing more that a accidental touch turns into a horrid rape after the victem is coached up.
It's been a hard week that's for sure. I never actually knew Justin, or watched his videos, but when news broke of his passing, I was still nevertheless shocked and saddened. I attended the memorial stream headed by Nash, who I also at the time never watched or cared about. After, I also attended the ConBravo tribute(I think I sat behind either Justin's wife or mother, but I can't remember who). The tribute touched me. I feel shocked and saddened, but I feel more sad for those whose lives he did touch, whether it was inspirational, or allegedly, quite literal and heinously. I also do feel sad for Justin too. I know we never tend to think as the perpetrator of a terrible action to also be a victim, but it seems Justin was a victim of himself and his appetites. We can speculate on the mental condition of the dead all day and get nowhere. All I can say is that this whole situation is one gigantic tire fire, and not to forget that this all came about because Channel Awesome "tried" to address some issues and failed at it hard. On a more religious note, I do hope that Justin's spirit can one day find forgiveness, and that those he hurt will be able to continue to seek peace of mind. I also hope that as fans and content creators, our enlightened minds will be able to notice when youtube personalities begin to abuse their position and be able to stop these sort of things before it happens
Please keep it civil. To reiterate, if Justin's videos and/or message spoke to you or impacted your life in some positive way, you should not feel ashamed about that fact today.
Pat the NES Punk I've been wondering if you would comment on this situation and I have to say you've handled it brilliantly
Indeed.
A lot of us were wondering if Pat was going to discuss this or not. Handled it quite well I must say.
Civil as the Civil War!!! 😂
I've been dreading this podcast the moment it was announced. But you guys did the correct approach. Good on both of you. **thumbs up**
"Justin has been fired from Channel Awesome for gross misconduct and is also banned for life from all Channel Awesome functions and events. We cannot go into details for legal reasons but we also felt it was our duty to disclose to the community what we can". That's all it would have taken.
Yes, but Channel Awesome was/is run by people who are not really good at running a media company or managing people in general. They may have realized that publishing a notice like the one you drafted might open then up for a lawsuit because they allowed Mr. Carmical to be a member for so long, so keeping quiet seemed to be easier (my understanding is they lacked any sort of legal counsel, so they were winging it.) Channel Awesome was a perfect storm of incompetence, sleazy practices, office sexual skeeze, and endless ego from the brothers still involved.
Based on the atrocious responses CA made after the #Changethechannel stuff I'd say that the company doesn't have a very good legal team, if they even have a lawyer on retainer at all.
@@msminmichigan alot of the stuff been debunked so i would agrue they handled it fine. its only people on twitter slap fighting about not getting spring water on movie shoots handled by CA fighting about it anymore
@@therealharshlycritical What has been debunked?
@@therealharshlycritical It goes a bit deeper than that.
"The only perfect people are dead." That is some fucking truth right there Pat.
John6yt And?
NuvYou Fixed it.
Goregy Those are great words. Sounds like something my father would say. Very wise..
Goregy Actually a variation of an ancient saying.
There are only two types of good people.
The dead and the unborn.
Chris Purolover Where'd that come from?
The moral of the events- don't ever put anybody on a pedestal. Jewwario was martyred into sainthood but all it took was a Twitter user asking Obscurus Lupa about her thoughts on Nostalgia Critic's IT review that led to a chain reaction of events in April that revealed Jewwario's dark side.
People want monsters to be easily recognized. The cold hard truth is there are monsters everywhere, and they can be those we see as beloved figures. I hated to learn about Jewwario being what he was but he is the only one responsible for his own legacy. Not TGWTG, not his victims, but himself.
Putting people on pedestals is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
2023, I just started watching Game Chasers and came upon this story. Never knew about him until today and never liked him from what I saw in Game Chasers cause something was off about him. As someone that lives in Japan and is married, gaijin that love Japanese culture too much come off as strange, like he did. Like something ain’t right. Never a fan of his and he should be treated like a criminal as he was, TH-camr or not. Being popular on social media doesn’t give you a clean slate to commit rape, which is equal to murder. If you don’t think those 2 crimes are equally bad, then go and talk to rape victims and understand the trauma and destruction that rape brings upon someone. I wish I never learned about the guy.
This brought back a lot for me. A teacher who really touched my life was revealed to have been preying on female students for years, including friends of mine. After he was outed, he committed suicide before charges were brought against him. He was such a legend of the community - for his work with kids, by and large - and there was this massive deification of him. People didn't speak about what he'd done, and it was really really hard to watch people sing his praises, even other teachers who knew what had happened. You're left with this horrendous feeling of "How much of that person who was great to me was real? How much of that was just a mask? This person gave me confidence to perform on stage - how can I take that from someone who hurt so many people, including people I care about a lot." It's a horrendous situation, and you really are left with more questions and virtually never any answers.
I think in a hard situation like that you have to look at this person as a coin with two sides. If you got something positive out of your interactions with them, you can still appreciate that while respecting that there was another side of them that was disgusting. You don't have to feel guilty for enjoying your time with your teacher because you didn't know about what was going on. Take the positive that you got from them, do your best to respect and support the victims, and try to move on. That's all you can do.
"Inside each of us, there is the seed of both good and evil. It's a constant struggle as to which one will win. And one cannot exist without the other." -Eric Burdon
I dunno...ever heard of Harvey Dent?
Uhhh wait did you live in Illinois by chance?
If not then it's a disturbing coincidence that an ex had that EXACT thing happen to them
My heart sank when Ian said he thought of Justin as a "safe person," but now sees that as his "M.O." That's just disappointing when a realization like that unveils itself.
What's "mo" ?
@@ozmond Method of Operating
@@ozmondIt’s an abbreviation of a Latin term - “modus operandi.”
What really upsets me is the possibility that Doug knew and STILL made a tribute video after his death.
"Dead people are glorified."
That is very true. We had this close family friend who was arrogant and a real jerk (mostly to me) and kind of a drain on my dad and stepmother. None of us *really* liked him- it was mainly that the family felt sorry for him because of a condition he suffered from... And then, he died, and it's like he suddenly because a saint in some people's eyes.
Death doesn't make bad people good. It only makes them dead.
Your right, sick of people glorifying Hitler all of a sudden
@@georgesalisbury5996 Yeah but they cannot contribute in either sense good or bad. And there is something sad about losing people especially if you have SOME good memories
True or not, I respect you guys for keeping up the original video after his death and not trying to re-write history.
Too bad Phelous doesn't understand the idea of "separating the creator from their works"
Or professional from personal. Phelous has been around Lupa way too much, I'm afraid...
Roger Gurman I fail to see how Lupa has anything to do with this. Hell, if she was influencing Phelous that much, he would've gotten rid of all of his crossover reviews with Doug.
Otaking And why would she want him to do that? Also, many have noted over the years that Phelous's style in his reviews had been influenced by Lupa's. For better or worse.
Roger Gurman You didn't read the Google doc or watch her video about #ChangeTheChannel ?
Well, while Mike Michaud might've been the one that bullied Lupa and fired her from CA, the Walkers aren't innocent, either. Doug claimed he'd talk to Michaud after his antagonism made her go cry in the bathroom, but later Doug ended up siding with Michaud. After years of people incorrectly assuming she was still on good terms with Doug, Lupa decided to clear the air of any confusion, which eventually led to the creation of the Google doc.
“A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward.”
Thank you guys for being the most honest when coming to this topic. I have seen so many videos on this from random people for clicks.
Ross Robertson then use the internet and do some research.
+Ross Robertson Watch this video. It goes into greater detail on the JewWario accusations. th-cam.com/video/d_h1LwTmc1k/w-d-xo.html
Ross Robertson he did.
Thank you both so much, and thank you especially Pat for bringing up how cowardly and foolish it was of the higher-ups at CA for hiding this. As a sexual assault survivor myself, every time someone from CA defended that lack of action as "not our story to tell" I was sickened. You are absolutely right, there are ways of both protecting the victims and outing the predator. Thank you again for being a voice of strength and integrity during this time. If your approach had been taken in alerting the community it may have spared other victims.
It’s a disastrous situation all around. His widow posted a status on Facebook several months ago saying that leading up to his suicide, she didn’t even know he’d been fired from Channel Awesome, and she’s still being made to ask answer for his behavior. That’s how quiet he kept that part of his life. I can’t imagine finding out the person you love had this totally different persona outside of your bubble. And then all the added layers: that people knew and did nothing, that his victims kept it quiet because you’re a widow of suicide and didnt want to hurt you more, or they didn’t want you to retaliate.
I just. I can’t imagine what his widow is going through. It’s like she lost him twice.
"The only perfect people are dead." Words to live by right there....can we get that on a shirt in the future sometime?
Justin's "You're not stupid" video has brought me to tears in the past. I still listen to it when I feel really down in the dumps. It is really a shame that all this has to be him. It really sucks.
I used to make videos a few years ago, was doing ok considering I wasn't popular etc, nearly 100k views. I used to be a total slave to social media and so I would try and get to know or speak to other content creators. There was a UK creator with a few thousand subs, actively bragging and dating underage female fans. When I called him out on it I got death threats for three years from anonymous posters on Tumblr, ask.fm etc, to the point where I've completely quit making stuff on TH-cam. The ignorance of some popular youtubers; the idea that they are somehow exempt from moral obligation or the law because of popularity made me feel completely rotten and alone. I want to make videos again one day but it left such a mark on me I don't think I'll ever. I'm actually scared to put something out there for fear of the death threats coming back. This whole Jewwario scenario touched a nerve with me, these ignorant monsters need to be held accountable and get help before it goes to their heads
Honestly, most TH-camrs turn out to have some serious skeletons in their closets. I guess it's not surprising when you have a group of people who like nerdy things and probably weren't the most popular people back in school or college that suddenly begin viewing themselves as huge superstars, that some shit starts to come out. People tend to forget that this is basically just any random internet forum with its share of freaks and weirdos except with a webcam instead of a 40x40 image next to a post about someone's sneeze fetish or whatever.
If you do come back make sure for your own mental health you are at a place where if you get threats again it wont mess with you. I hate to say it but realistically if you put yourself out there online you probably are going to get hateful and even threatening comments at some point.
Yeah I know, I was very naive back then, I'm a lot better these days, living with my fiancee, solid job. Just have that nagging thing that I can't do what I enjoyed doing because of it. Then again I'd probably deal with it a whole lot better this time around!
Ignorant monster... I guess you would be happy to know that he is suffering in hell, not that he deserved it. Call me immoral but i disagree with your sentiment that he was a monster. a True monster would've killed them, not just raped. How sure are you that he did not have a guilty Conscience afterwards, that his death was out of grief and remorse rather than arrogance? He deserves to be judged based on his gifts to society, not what happened. If the victims accused with malicious intent, then i weep for him. regardless, he did not deserve to die
Speedruns for charity USA tf
Marzgirl put out a very powerful video , she seems to be upset and possibly blame herself, I can understand her feelings , but wasn't her or anyones fault ( unless people tried to hide it and pretend it didn't exist ) ,but she also made it clear not to blame his family. Its worth watching !
In love with? huh, interesting.
Dugon man Everyone who has spoken about it one way or another who was in a position to know about these events have all corroborated that the allegations are correct. Even Channel Awesome, who had every reason to deny that Justin ever raped anybody, owned up to it, hell they were the ones who outed him in the first place. At this point you would need some pretty hard evidence to convince anyone that it *didn't* happen.
chocobros1 every one has spoken about hearsay and rumors. They're recounting stories they heard from a friend of a friend and, in this #metoo climate, it's not shocking that people would back away from anyone even remotely connected to sexual misconduct. It's not hard evidence nor proof, just allegations.
Not saying it's not true, but I'm not saying it's false. I need better evidence then "listen and believe". That's how we ended up With the Salem witch trials.
No one has posted any story showing justin was rapist or a predator. This is all really stupid.
Common_C3nts Except they have. Multiple people in the know have come forward with it such as Justin's victims and Count Jackula among others and again, Channel Awesome straight up admitted to knowing about it and doing fuck all. You're the one who's stupid if you're just going to turn a blind eye and pretend like people calling out Justin's crimes are unsubstantiated.
I really don't think his fans should feel bad, he did review videos, he wasn't a vlog channel, he had a persona that was not him, you should not feel bad because you enjoy someone's videos.
אדום מת So, I'm assuming you didn't listen to Michael Jackson music when everyone thought he was a rapist then
You obviously didn’t listen to the vid at alll stupid. אדום מת
"he wasn't a vlog channel" as if those don't put up a persona. You should stop believing you know a person just because you've seen their videos.
KamenGamerRetro what? How does your response relate to my comment?
KamenGamerRetro I don't get it. Are agreeing with me? You watch a person's videos and enjoy them, that doesn't mean you know the person who made them. That's separating the artist from the art.
I don't make strangers into heroes. It's immature and only sets one up for disappointment. I've also never set eyes on Jewario outsider of a browser window. That said, his videos did a lot to demystify import gaming and gave me the push I needed to take the plunge into playing and reviewing Famicom and Super Famicom titles, which has been a whole hell of a lot of fun. Even the PC Engine I just ordered from Japan would probably not have happened if it hadn't been for this guy's work. Even at such a remove, it's still a bit unnerving to know that someone who successfully influenced my life was a creep. Just an tragedy on so many levels.
You had to have been the only kid on the planet not to idolize an athlete, rock star, or freakin' astronaut.
It's not about the person, really. Like Pat said, it's the message that counts.
I think there's value to still remembering and discussing the "good" influences he had on our lives, if only to show that just about anyone can be guilty of this kind of thing.
While it can be tempting, never assume that a person is too saintly to be guilty of sexual harassment if an accuser comes forward. You needn't outright believe it and convict the accused in your mind from minute one, but don't involve yourself and attack the accuser as so many did in this instance. They must be respected and taken seriously regardless of who is being implicated.
People have always been capable of compartmentalizing their lives, and those who might be great most of the time can still have monsters inside of them that they only reveal to a select few.
I disagree, i dont think theres anything wrong with making people that you dont know personally into heroes and theres nothing inmature about it, its part of human nature, heroes can inspire you to be better and to do great things.
And yes it can set you for dissapointment, but if you are so scared of dissapointment, failure and being hurt then maybe you could avoid all that by closing yourself from the entire world and your own emotions, but by doing that you would become unable to enjoy anything, thats life to you it always has been a risk and reward system.
Of course sometimes making someone into a hero can make some people unable to accept the truth once its revealed, but as long as you can accept the facts and not become a delucional fanboy i dont think theres anything wrong with it.
The thing is with this type of "internet celebrity" a lot of people do feel a personal connection to these individuals because there often is some level of interaction/communication. When they're exchanging comments/likes/chats/Patreon interaction etc. with someone, a lot of people do feel like they're forging a bond with these producers that isn't often seen with other types of public figure and their fans.
IMHO that's a big part of why this stuff often gets so personal for so many. (not that people don't get invested with mainstream celebrities either though)
I said earlier that I only wanted two weiners, but I changed my mind. I'll take a few tenders and a corn on the cob. Sorry for the trouble.
Justin's gone. He can't hurt anyone else anymore.
And it doesn't make it better at all.
I'm really struggling. I loved Justin as a fan and I was really fucking wrecked when he killed himself. However, I have been sexually assaulted three times and I can no longer watch his videos knowing that he did that to many sweet women. And that they had no real support in defending himself. I'm at such a loss.
Something I learned working in Journalism: one day you're going to have to cover a story about someone you know doing something you never thought possible. For me it was a close friend who went on a fishing trip with his roommates, they all got drunk and decided to drive home. My friend was driving, he crashed the car into a tree. His roommates died and he was paralyzed from the waist down.
It sucks to be in that position.
Tough subject to go over especially when it’s someone you call a friend. I appreciate pats and Ian’s honesty and they didn’t have to share their opinions or experiences when it comes to Jew wario. This is one of the reasons why I’m a fan of you guys. You could’ve skipped the subject or even defended your fallen friend. You did the hard thing and speak the truth even when you can tell it hurt you personally to do so. And on a Side note. If channel awesome knew of these allegations why were they not reported? They’re just as guilty as Jew wario for not bringing these inappropriate allegations to the proper authorities. Thanks pat and Ian for your brutal honesty.
they could never defend him...
Plus, as far as I can tell, nothing illegal. I may have missed something big here, but I haven't heard anything illegal yet.
DP C One of the allegations is that he fingered someone while she was unconscious
CyberNinjaZero Yea, I heard that one. VERY flimsy, but if it's true, OK. It's on the very far edge of believable, though.
How is unbelievable? This happens all the time.
Dude this sucks. I remember when Justin killed himself. Justin even lived in the same State as me, in a city less then 2 hours away from me. I was going through a bad depression at the time and had mild suicidal feelings myself. I remember I reached out to the guys on Famicom Dojo about it and Vinnk wrote me back with a great, heartfelt email. Now it all feels wrong and stupid.
frylock456 it’s like they said in the video the message is still the message you can still view it as a heartwarming experience, but it might be a good idea to separate it from the messenger
People tend to forget that content is not equal to the person behind it. I couldn't agree more with the "message is there" part.
Depends on what was done. I can't separate Chris Benoit the person from Chris Benoit the wrestler.
shinhawk go listen to other wrestlers shoot on the fact he was framed (not saying I do believe, but you never know). You’ll be singing a different tune.
Coy what a load of bullshit. lol
Never, ever trust the guy at work who gives out back rubs freely. In my experience, they are almost always a sexual deviant of some sort.
Exactly...
yeah I always thought that shit was creepy no matter the situation (like if you're at work or at a party or whatever).. those people who just walk up and do that shoulder rubbing thing.even if they really aren't a sex freak or whatever its still incredibly fucking weird and at the very least its inappropriate.
Or study physiotherapy and wants to help other people with masage. Thinking like that makes people paranoid.
... "deviant?"
@@IronArmPanda It comes down to "Don't touch me. I don't know you"
I'm glad Ian and Pat where together when they addressed this. To Ian's point, this is one of the reasons it takes a very, very long time to grant sainthood to an individual.
Ian's lookin' much better.
Yes he is!
I like his clean shaven look. He's such a decent guy, I'm hoping things are going well for him.
he has a condition that was causing him to have severe pain in his abdomen. It cost him a lot of money and took several months to even diagnose.
nah, needs to go back to scruffy
I was just noticing (again) that he looks pretty chubby compared to earlier years. I figured it had to do with his illness. If you people say he's improving, that makes me glad.
I gotta be honest there was always something I didn’t like about that guy, just one of those things you can’t explain at the time.
This seriously makes me feel so relieved. I was never a hardcore fan of his, so I *want* to think that if I knew someone like that in real life, or followed them closely online, that I wouldn't be so easily fooled. We would all like to think that probably. But seriously, I can't tell you how much of a weight it takes off my chest to know that at least *someone* wasn't fooled.
As someone who hasn't read the 70+ page document, I find it a bit frustrating how vague everyone is when talking about Justin. "Sexual predator" has lost a lot of meaning in recent years and no one's saying anything that was really "bad" when commenting.
You handled and composed yourself very well. Ian as well. And thank you for not remaining silent and speaking on the subject.
This, more than anything, is why I'm done with Channel Awesome and Nostalgia Critic forever. A lot of the more severe stuff from the initial doc could have been blamed squarely on Mike Michaud, while what the Walkers were more directly guilty of could have been justified from lack of experience or fear of Mike and could have easily been forgiven with a sincere apology and a promise to do better in the future. And when it was unknown who was the person grooming people, benefit of the doubt could at least let me believe that while late, their addressing of the issue was properly done to the point that the perpetrator was removed from the community and people at risk would have been warned. But now we know who it was, there can be no doubt that it was improperly handled and there was no way the Walkers did not know of it. In order to avoid controversy, they knowingly put their own community in danger. I'm saying this as someone who not too long ago considered himself an avid Channel Awesome fan; I am glad that this came back to bite them in the ass. Fuck them.
well said. They are as much at fault as Justin. In the eyes of the law, they are just as guilty.
A frickin men, great post!
I'm in a similar situation. I used to really love NC and Doug Walker but now I never want to see his content again.
Sometimes you just need to separate the work from the person that made it. H.P. Lovecraft made some of my favorite stories, but the dude was a huge racist, and Alfred Hitchcock was a sexual deviant. It sucks, but the truth is that not everyone who does something you like is a good person.
STEAdYdropN Em who did you here that from?
jacob p mike matea's a racist
jacob p Hitchcock a sexual deviant? I’ve heard the exact opposite. He was A-sexual and turned down advances by females but would talk about sexual things at inappropriate times and liked to tell sexual jokes
I guess another example for people that like this person's work, but not their personal details is Roman Polanski.
Just like Chris Benoit, one of the greatest technical wrestlers of all time, even though he murdered his wife and son i can still watch his old matches and enjoy them.
Man, it must suck for Ian. I have a feeling that he saw him as something of a father figure if not a hero in some sense. Ian is surely not the the only person either.
That really sucks to see something like this come out and shatter so many people he's touched when he was alive.
Pat, I want to thank you for giving me closure on this issue. While I never met justin, and like many others I only knew him through his videos. I took a lot of the accusations to heart, facing the reality of what was going on was hard to accept. I didn't put him on a pedestal like others did, I enjoyed the messages he gave to not only me but others. The past week I constantly tired rationalize how somebody who seemed so positive in his messages, could have such a dark side. At the end of his life, it was no secret he had his demons, while I never blamed the victims, I felt if the people who just swept this under the rug spoke sooner maybe Justin may have gotten the help he needed. It's been a real struggle to ponder how to process all of this and it's really made me see the grey in this sometimes black and white world we live in.
Necro C you feel bad the victims didn't try hard enough to.help their abuser,??? You know.how.nuts that is right?
Burn The Old Gods (And The New Ones As Well For All I Care) I'm fairly sure he meant the guys from Channel Awesome who knew and did nothing, not the victims. That being said, the abusing part of the suspected "abuser" still needs to be proven. I'll remind you that the victim who came forward was drunk to the point of passing out at the time the alleged abuse took place, and Justin was drunk also. That's not an excuse, but who the hell knows what one drunk person could have told another before passing out, coming to and forgetting half the things that were said and done?
Roger Gurman
If they were both drunk, then neither party should be held accountable for what happened. If women can get off scott free and not face any consequences for their inebriated actions, then so should men.
This whole incident broke my heart, but the truth is that Justin helped save my life and I will be forever grateful. Nobody is perfect, everyone has a darkside. I usually avoid idolizing someone but his words helped save me. I definitely hate what he did but I am no longer going to hate myself for getting helped by someone like that.
I Control My Fate yeah my feelings are changing on this
Don’t feel guilty remember these are allegations so they could be false.
I feel for you and the others who were close to Justin. To have these assertions brought to light can't be easy and I was tearing up watching Marzgirl's video on the topic.
Very good dissection of the topic, and very honest insight.
Thank you, Pat, and Ian. I was waiting to see if you said anything. I was also scared of what you both would say. I look up to you both, and I looked up to Justin. And all I can say, is this fucking hurts. I feel bad for the community. I feel bad for you both, for marzgurl, for Justin's family, and for his victims. This is awful. I am glad to have people like you both in the community. You both have good heads on your shoulders, and even if I don't always agree with you both, at least I know what I'm getting. Thanks for that. I hope you can both get past this, as the rest of us are trying to do.
Pat's point is certainly very understandable, especially as someone who took Justin on without being aware of what was happening (and based on the logs CA themselves released, they never told Justin the real reason they were breaking off from him either).
But with the alleged victims not wanting to make formal complaints or press charges for the specific reason that they were afraid of retaliation, some people were between a rock and a hard place.
That retaliation wasn't just to have been from Justin or lawyers, etc.
I think its important to also specify it can be the *fans* and the internet at large.
We know what the internet can be like.
People have been digging into trying to find out who Jane Doe was and the other victims since the document was released.
With some of the other little tidbits that have since came out since CA themselves managed to narrow it down to Justin, yes, people have already named and contacted some of those victims.
We know there are people out there that think they are liars and we know there are others that will try to torment them just because that's how they get their kicks.
I can understand wanting to protect people from that - who knows how far it can really go.
We live in a world were SWATing is a thing after all.
For some of the people that concealed it, I suspect it was a business decision and little more. We say they will have to live with it, but they might not even care enough to give it much thought beyond how it affects *them*. Guilt or responsibility is by no means guaranteed.
It's food for thought when we consider that the Walkers were aware of this at CA and Doug still went and did a tribute video. He did that and he knew about the allegations.
I do however feel that at least some of the people that knew also agonised over it - They knew in trying to protect some people they were potentially putting others at risk.
Really, its a very shitty situation all round.
NEW DRINKING GAME... take a shot every time Ian says "you know"
or when ever he says, ".... to me...."
I passed out at 18:30
Justin had issues, no doubt.
Crammit most people do.
Coy Wicks Most people don't kill themselves though.
Many people now blame him for "taking" the easy way out, but perhaps he knew he could only stop his devious side by killing himself.
Coy most people dont sexualy assuelt other people eaither.
Oh bullshit - people make so much excuses for him as before. He more than likely was under the pressure and broke. It wasn't about saving the world by ending his life or some shit. The guy was a horrible person. That one girl up there talking about how much she 'loved him, does love him, will always love him' - how many times do you think they were fucking?
It would of been better if he *DID NOT TAKE HIS LIFE* , admitted to his troubles and sought help - suicide is the fuck all stupidest way to end things. You create problems - so fix them.
I haven't finished watching it yet, buy I'm proud that you guys are willing to talk about this. It's a really touchy subject and I commend you.
Edit: I just finished and this is the most level headed, reasonable video on this topic. Good job guys.
My heart goes out to MarzGurl on this one.
@Amalaric GoTH what are you talking about?
@Amalaric GoTH
You must be one of those that think Dahvie Vanity is innocent, huh?
Best address video on that issue. I'll be honest I was fan of YCPT, pretty sad after all of this revelation.
Personally I think Justin wasn't hiding behind the mask he was who he was, but I also believe he hided some of his inner demons deep inside from other people. Sometimes people may contain surprisingly different values and ideas inside, we just have to accept that he was such a person.
Human mind is complex that all I can say.
I just wanted to say as a long time fan of both Pat, Ian and Justin, This was all a shock for me personally and the way you guys handled this made me appreciate you two more then i thought was possible. Thank you
I'm disgusted by the fact that people knew this guys was a potential threat, but decided not to do anything about it. It's like Rolf Harris and Jimmy Saville in the UK; people knew they were a threat, but kept it quiet. It sickens me.
I love how extremely earnest and sincere you are being here, at least from how I see it. Not an easy subject to talk about.
I love how some people have started to blame Justin's victims because they didn't come out at the time and don't understand how sexual assault affects people. It actually makes me angry. Thanks humanity. And people tend to forget that in the doc, the victim referred to Justin as 'producer' and Justin was anonymous. It was CA who revealed it was Justin.
edit: basically what Ian said at 14:14
Bonus points: According to Marzgurl, the Jane Doe CA was talking about (whose case was the "actually it was three weeks" screenshots that ousted Justin) wasn't even the Jane Doe the document talked about. They were two separate cases that CA themselves linked together.
Or maybe the "producer" wasn't Justin at all, but the CA decided to write it all off on account of someone who can no longer kick back.
Roger Gurman oh please, just accept that he did it. They aren’t creative enough to come up with fake evidence, and the Jane Does have specifically named Justin after the leak
Assasin2 I'm not saying that's what happened, I'm simply pointing out a possibility many seem to overlook. Not claiming anything here either way.
"They aren't creative enough to come up with fake evidence." Dude these are the same guys that had fans convinced that Nostalgia Critic's feud with Angry Video Game Nerd was real when he first started out. If anything they are more than qualified to fake us out with anything.
One thing that kinda makes me wonder after these revelations of Justin’s past is his motives behind committing suicide. I am in no way denying that Justin had a severe battle with depression, nor am I intentionally trying to downplay the incredibly terrible effects that depression can have on a person, (I do apologize in advance if this comment comes off as this way).
A lot of people right now are speculating pretty much every aspect of Justin’s life trying to see how this revelation blind sided them as much as it did. Ian made an excellent point about this when he recalled his first meeting with Justin and considered him a “safe” person. Was Justin using that persona as a facade so that nobody expected him of anything as heinous as being a sexual predator?
Going back to Justin’s suicide, his severe bout with depression definitely played a HUGE role in why he inevitably chose to end his life. As these stories about Justin’s true past are starting to come out, It does make me wonder if he felt guilty about his actions and did that also lead him to commit suicide? With everything else right now, (besides the sexual predator allegations which I believe are true) this only speculation. At the end of the day, it will not change anything, and the truth is only known by one person....
Ian looked devastated for most of this video.
Well done Pat and Ian, I can't imagine this was an easy video to make.
I can relate to Ian immensely.
I had more than my fair share of encounters with Justin over the years, and every time we met, he was always friendly and encouraging of my efforts in entertainment. I'd be a liar if I denied that he had a part to play with influencing my decisions in creating a blog or pursuing an online radio show.
With the recent uncovering and allegations about Justin, it makes me call into question everything I thought I knew about the man.
I can only hope that now his victims can find some semblance of peace of mind going forward.
It's a rough situation no matter which way you turn it.
I absolutely love you two this video was done right.
Thanks so much for everything you two do
So sorry to hear all of this come to light... I like that you're reassuring people to not feel bad for taking something from the more positive messages Justin Carmical left; dark or not, there can still be something good taken (not that that excuses other actions). We're really sorry for all of the fans that may feel letdown by all of this.
What Pat said about the people who knew not saying anything, THAT is exactly what I've been saying since this whole thing broke. I personally feel betrayed not just by Justin but by all of these people who knew this and didn't come out until years after the guy's dead. I took my kids to meet this asshole, I defended him and shed tears over this monster, and all for what?! Because some people thought it better to keep this terrible secret under their hat, for whatever reason, and in doing so you put all of us in danger. I'm sorry but I'm really angry at those people that did not come forward with this information. I don't wanna bash the victims here, but as a father with 2 girls that met this guy, right now I just don't know how to reconcile my anger over this issue yet, so I'm sorry if it comes off that way.
Well done. Good video. Thanks for standing up and representing the very best, and most mature way of approaching this.
I was waiting to hear your take on it.
I don’t listen to this podcast often but I do appreciate Pats willingness to just get to the issue and say what he thinks.
Damn. I got into Justin's videos a few months before he passed and donated to that suicide prevention fund in his name after. He was the one that got me into imports, and I've recommended his show "You Can Play This" to others looking to get into imports. He did always have a trustworthy, Mr. Rogers-like vibe to him which is sooo much creepier in hindsight. Like just about everyone else I was blindsided by these allegations, and it's depressing and infuriating at the same time. I really liked his content, but as a person it looks like he was a monster the whole time which is heartbreaking.
This is also a thing in the UK, started snowballing with Jimmy Saville, then all of a sudden all these entertainers have been investigated (sometimes with false accusations)
God, everything that comes to light with Channel Awesome just gets worse and worse.
Then again, It would be even worse if it stayed hidden for the potential victims that may have stayed quiet.
At least this way, they may get the help that they need to move on and some sort of peace as the truth finally comes out.
I guess the big question in my mind about JewWario is how did all of this happen? Was there not one person that could have turned Justin away from the dark path he was walking down? Was there no one to be a voice of reason and sanity for him?
Humans are multi-faceted and extremely complex. If Justin was guilty of what he's being accused of, then that's obviously horrible, but I feel it's an equally vile sentiment to suggest the positive aspects of who he was were somehow just an "act". Why do we always have to categorize people as either a "good person" or a "bad person"? Why can't we be both? We're not just the sum average of our overall behavior. The Yin doesn't cancel out the Yang. All light casts shadows.
Especially in today's very political climate, it's easier for people to just file each other under "good" or "bad". Nobody wants to acknowledge that everyone has both light and dark sides (albeit to various degrees), just like nobody likes to admit their enemy can do truly nice things, or that their friend can do truly vile things.
So you're saying that if you do something really bad in your life, it's literally impossible to do anything good and legitimately mean it? If so, does that also mean that it's impossible for anyone to ever redeem themselves? Also, how is it you've determined that his bad behavior is "at his core", and moreover, to the exclusion of all else?
"You cannot be a good person after sexually violating someone", so Prison Reentry and repentance mean nothing? God can forgive all sins, but who are you to judge your neighbor?
You are extremely ignorant! Darkness within? Did christ die for nothing, or are we all beyond redemption?
NO! I believe that he can be redeemed and set free from the lake of fire from which he now resides, because I believe that Christ will rescue him. I cannot belive what you have just said, were i your father or mother, i would disown you in a second.
@@AllGamingStarred He isn't being rescued, he's dead.
you have no clue of what I truly mean. Imagine a place of darkness, fire and ash. Wouldn't you want a second chance? all you can hear are screams, all you can be reminded of are your sins. what do I need to do to make it more clear?
Thank you so much for doing this video. I was hoping to hear your take on everything. I never for a moment thought you knew or was hiding anything but I respect the work you guys do. I'm sure it was a shock to hear and very hard to process someone you considered (on any level) a friend. I hope Billy and Jay are also fine as I know they loved the guy a lot. Keep your heads up and thanks again for doing this podcast.
Think about how close we came to never knowing about this?
Thank you for addressing this. It was the right thing to do. It clearly hurts both of you to come up in public and speak about this, but it had to be done. And I respect both of you for that even more so than I already did. Thanks.
Did the guy actually do anything apart from have consensual sex and give fans a back rub? Because I've heard about nothing any worse than that.
Grooming an 18 year old girl? What is the difference between grooming a legal aged girl, and seducing a legal aged girl. I am not being argumentative I am genuinely curious of what differentiates the two.
His death hit me harder than any mainstream celebrity death ever did because of how small and close-knit TH-cam fan communities feel. But it is also because of how small and personal these fandoms can get that his actual actions make me feel more disgusted than many of the big controversies in entertainment these days. It just sucks to have memories tainted like this. I can't imagine how it is like for the people who actually knew him and I especially cannot imagine how it was for his victims for him to be put up on a pedestal.
25:40 The worst of it is that Channel Awesome is still operating as of January 2019.
I had people telling ME I'm a bad person for criticizing one of the people who knew but didn't speak up. Yeah, this person knew a man was sexually grooming fans and did nothing in order to "protect the victims", and yet I'm the bad guy here.
Sexual assault is a complicated thing, and coming forward in a blaze of glory to denounce your attacker is not always so clear cut and easy. I don't think you're a bad person, but you have to look at it from their point of view.
But knowing WHAT exactly? That's the thing. What if you hear allegations but can't prove it or don't even believe they could be true? You could potentially screw somebody's life up or risk some kind of defamation lawsuit. I get it if you have first hand knowledge and/or there's an actual case. Short of that I don't know what you could actually do.
auxilliarydrain
Mabye do an report to the police and let the police do an investigation.
However im glad they didnt just go and tell media, due of mob justice.
Jacob Hill They could have reported it to authorities, who often don’t take these things seriously unfortunately, or like Pat said at least make convention staff aware. I agree completely, they handled it horribly but nobody other than the victims should be able to make it known to the general public though. Sadly people have a tendency to play “internet detective” and will try to figure out who the victims are and hound them about it, that invasion of privacy can cause victims to relive their trauma. At least when they come forward to the public themselves they get to keep some autonomy.
"Nobody but the victims should be able to make it known to the general public"
That's precisely how monsters get away with this horseshit for years, because the abuser has influenced them. They may still feel they are friends. They may not want to bring down Channel Awesome. They may have a thousand reasons, and you'll notice most victims that don't speak up have a thousand reasons too, and they all say they feel much better when they finally talk about it.
So yeah, no. The convention staff should've been told. Silence just made it worse, for EVERYONE.
I GET IT. I DO. But no.
The brighter the star, the darker the shadow by comparison.
Even now, I still miss Justin. Even knowing this. I never knew _this_ Justin.
Humans are complex creatures. All I can say.
coffee115 and then add the internet and it gets even more muddled. No one TRULY knows anyone, anymore. Hiding behind keyboards and monitors. 😉
coffee115 no they’re spineless and good for absolutely nothing.
Coy Wicks aren't you human? Human's aren't spineless
You know what are complex animals? Squids. Look at those slimy fuckers. Something evolved into that gooey thing. But yeah, people are complex too.
I honestly didn't know about any of this until yesterday. This has been an eyeopening couple of weeks. First Channel Awesome, now this. Yeesh!
JewWario was a very complex person. I don't think you can paint him as all good or all bad. He isn't one of those unredeamable monsters that were just plain evil. He had both good and bad inside him but I would say he did more good than bad. I remember hearing him say on one of his streams that he never knew his father and was raised by his grandparents. There was definitely a shadow side that he kept from everyone.
The thing is that he tried to r*pe a person... That was really f*cked up
@@machewgun503 every1 rapes in some form
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@@machewgun503 raps is not only physical... your tv mind rapes u dosz jt not???
@@messiahgodstar7609 wow..... just wow. Not even comparible. Not even close. Sick you would even try and compare the two.
@@messiahgodstar7609 oh look, you are a right wing Christian. Why am I not surprised your brain is completely broken and you think this is somehow acceptable and try to explain it away. Seek help.
I’m so sorry to hear. I can’t imagine how difficult it is to have to wrestle with those thoughts and emotions of someone you knew being very different.
All I can say is that there was no way you could tell at the moment. As far as how much of it was a facade, sometimes people can have both a very good and very bad side mixed in together.
I do appreciate your honesty and allowing the truth to come out, despite him being a former friend. You two are doing the best you can with the cards at hand.
I never really commented before but I’ve been enjoying your videos and podcast for years now. And while I don’t know you personally, from your responses, you seem like a man of integrity (you too, Ian).
Also, the majority of the comment section right now is civil, intelligent, and nuanced.
It is always who you least expect.
The whole ordeal was handled poorly by a lot of people.
This is, as far as I know, not something that people deal with often, so it is understandable that people did not know what to do.
All I can say is that people should learn a lot from this.
But man, this is still something that is hard to accept....
Probably most of the people in Hollywood are just as bad if not worse than JewWario. That's what just a little bit of fame can do to a guy if he's not careful. So you could go nuts worrying about this every time you watch a movie or listen to music. JW is dead, he paid the price for what he allegedly did. Don't stress over it if you enjoyed his work.
People who have a predatory personality know how to manipulate you into liking and trusting them, but ultimately you can't hide who you are forever. I just wish people had felt like they could come forward sooner.
I think the worst part is that the people who will , as Pat puts it "have to live with it" (in regards to those who didn't tell anyone) they probably can. To be able to just say nothing I feel they must be unfeeling bastards.
When i heard that he had passed on that's how I was introduced to him. I never became a super fan but I enjoyed some of his videos. That being said I never ever in a million years would have ever thought any of this. This is truly eye opening
No matter if you believe the allegations or not, there are some at Channel Awesome that knew something was going on and DID NOTING ABOUT IT. Also keep in mind i'm not just talking bout the Walker Brothers, but other former contributors as well. J***Otaku being one them..
As did these guys you seem to adore.
J***Otaku?
this is true..
I don't want to flat out say who because I'm still urked by the entire situation because I follow said person on twitter.
I wouldn't trust anything coming from JO, or Mantis for that matter.
I only just learned of this today. I don't know how to process this. I mourned the loss of that man.
Crazy shit, you never know who someone is behind closed doors but i dont judge people so i really dont have anything to say
ikr, you always hear that sort of stuff and most of time friends, neighbours and family members say that they thought they knew him/her. I mean you shouldn't get paranoid but it makes you wonder how good you can actually know someone. So depressing.
Josue Guzman It's ok to judge others if they do wrong things like rape.
Love the podcast...glad to see Ian is doing better. I attended Magfest 2013 and Jewwario seemed really off the entire con physically...and didn't seem like he was in a good place. Thanks for talking about this in a professional way.
Never meet your heroes kids
It is pretty fucked up what JewWarrior did and that Channel Awesome tried to hide his actions from people that were working directly with him.
Justin clearly had a lot of demons in his own life. I think that it is best for the rest of us to honor the privacy of all those involved though. At this point, it is between the victims and Justin's family to decide where to go from here. I can't say I've really ever been a fan of Justin's work, but I think it is important for his fans to be able to separate JewWario ,the character, from Justin Carmical, the creator. Putting people on a higher pedestal only leaves for disappointment when you find out that they aren't who you think they are. Justin may have been a horrible person in real life, but it shouldn't take away from his videos.
Totally empathize with Pat on this one. Similar thing happened at my work place. I knew the guy, probably closer than Pat was to Justin, but was still totally clueless on the things he did to others. You will have good memories still in your mind, but now they're tainted by what you now know about that person. You're left with absolute disappointment in the person you thought you knew and, as Ian stated, a concern for the victims.
but the girl in the allegation was 18... She said she was young at heart... thats kind of BS just to make it sound bad. She was 18, she was old enough to make decisions on her own.
random11 he was twice as old. 18 year olds are not experienced. You cannot expect a teen to act like a 40 year old.
There was more than one girl. One of them passed out drunk and woke up to being taken advantage of.
Sexual assault is sexual assault, regardless of age.
He's saying one of them was consensual and is just post sex regret, basically. I don't know for that one since we don't have all the details, but one of them is rape for sure.
I’m almost as old as he was when it happened. There is no way I’d get involved with an 18-year-old, even if she consented. They’re just too immature.
The good that he did for people doesn't disappear because of the bad stuff he did, but it also doesn't excuse it or makes it any better.
The one thing I'll say is, I feel bad for his family and wife. To lose your son or brother (if he had siblings that is)
And then to find out this is who he was is unimaginable.
His wife knew.
I know I sometimes give you guys shit for video game stuff , but you guys really approached this topic in the best possible way . I imagine this couldn't have been easy to talk about , much less articulate for a podcast video . Good job guys guys at addressing it and being true professionals . Thank you .
off Topic but Ian is looking much better Hope his health is doing better
I knew Justin, interacting with him a lot on imports. Very regularly. Never met him, would have loved to. Just learning about this now... very rough. Speechless.
I have never watched the guy, in fact I never until heard of him until Pat talked about him after he died, but it seems to me like a lot of people are jumping the gun to condemn him. Now I am not saying he didn't do it, but from what I understand there is one accusation from a person whom hasn't been disclosed, which is understandable, and he can't defend himself. Now maybe he was a predator as everyone is saying, or maybe there was an accusation made against him and instead of dealing with it channel awesome just fired him. If they had any evidence or actually thought he had done it I would think they would have let everyone know but I could be wrong. I'm also not saying he was a good guy, apparently he was cheating on his wife, but could it be plausible that he was seeing that girl and for some reason got mad at him and made the accusations. Again, its very possible he did these things but it could also be something we don't know. But my question is should he be condemned before we know without a doubt because right now it all sounds like speculation.
Thank You Pat and Ian for making this video. It needed to made. You are a wise man.
why does it always take years for this stuff to come out
because the victims didnt want to reveal it back then.
ZJ There are plenty of reasons. Two very important ones were listed right in thus video.
When its in a instance like this 9/10 times is a lie. I would understand if he was still living and it was fear of him but when he was dead then well I don't know. The source must be considered as well. Some people make a small thing that may have been nothing more that a accidental touch turns into a horrid rape after the victem is coached up.
hawk6111 I don't think you know what actually happened nor what is being alleged here.
I was victimized when I was young. I couldn’t tell anyone for years. It would have been worse with someone as well liked as he was.
It's been a hard week that's for sure. I never actually knew Justin, or watched his videos, but when news broke of his passing, I was still nevertheless shocked and saddened. I attended the memorial stream headed by Nash, who I also at the time never watched or cared about. After, I also attended the ConBravo tribute(I think I sat behind either Justin's wife or mother, but I can't remember who). The tribute touched me. I feel shocked and saddened, but I feel more sad for those whose lives he did touch, whether it was inspirational, or allegedly, quite literal and heinously. I also do feel sad for Justin too. I know we never tend to think as the perpetrator of a terrible action to also be a victim, but it seems Justin was a victim of himself and his appetites. We can speculate on the mental condition of the dead all day and get nowhere. All I can say is that this whole situation is one gigantic tire fire, and not to forget that this all came about because Channel Awesome "tried" to address some issues and failed at it hard. On a more religious note, I do hope that Justin's spirit can one day find forgiveness, and that those he hurt will be able to continue to seek peace of mind. I also hope that as fans and content creators, our enlightened minds will be able to notice when youtube personalities begin to abuse their position and be able to stop these sort of things before it happens
A shaved Ian looks *young*
Keegan Kimbllin he is actually 40
Jason Kejn you must be really well liked in your actual life