I just discovered your channel, and you have really good stuff. I am currently reading the Jeremy Adams Flash run and it’s so good. I grew up with the Mark Waid run, and Flash became one of my favorite characters with the Geoff Johns’ run.
I bridged between Barry and Wally but I agree about being disappointed at Barry's return. Despite the push, Barry was never as interesting and seemed to rely on big events to generate interest (in comics, not TV) rather than humanity.
Mark Waid signed my issue of Flash#0. It's one of my prized possessions because of the plot and what Wally does for himself. It's always reminded me of every meaningful chat shared when I needed it the most. I hope Mr. Waid knows how special that story is.
100% agree. Between Waid’s run, Morrison’s JL and JLU, Wally West has always been MY flash and the flash for a lot of other fans in our generation. personally, I don’t really care all that much about Barry Allen.
I enjoy waid run on wally flash and morrison and waid justice league and the dcau geoff johns run and people don't talk about this run but i love morrison run on flash
@@Ubermensch9240 I like to forget that, helps that DC keeps trying to slightly retcon it (and now Wally is leading the flash book it might get changed a bit again)
I've always said that if you want to know what the next big crossover event is going to be about or who the villan is going to be. Then just catch up on what's going on in either the flash comics or the green lantern comics. Because most of the big crossover events always seem to spin out of those 2 books.
Wish you could've gotten one more question right. I loved the Johns/Kolins Flash run! Waid is good too, though! Good to see Flashie getting some respeck on his name for once!
Lol, I absolutely love watching you geek out over the Flash! It's like me and Superman, if someone brings up Supes, I can talk for HOURS!! 😂 (P.S.- My favorite Superman era was Dan Jurgens's run!)
Wally is my Flash because I came in during his run (thanks to John Wesley Shipp). In fact, I came back to DC comics for the first time in years because of John Wesley Shipp. Wally led me to JLE, which led me back into the wider DC universe. I'd read various Superman and Batman issues as a child, often b+w reprints in Australia, I had really enjoyed the Jonni Thunder miniseries, she was one tough cookie. I'd also read a few Cap and Defenders stories along with a *tonne* of Battle/Commando comics, but I'd drifted away for a couple of years before getting back into the Phantom, and exclusively the Phantom, through Australian newsstands in a big way. Then Pet Fly Productions' production hit and it reminded me. So, when I saw Superman race, and lose to, the Flash, I bought it. Then the next issue of the Flash that I saw, it was the first part of the two-parter Icicle's will story. Anyway, as absolutely fantastic, nay, brilliant, as Mark Waid's run was, it was William Messner-Loebs who set it up (along with the Dragnet-style opening narration) and one thing that disappointed me about Waid's run was that he immediately dropped every supporting character except for Linda Park. Wally went from having friends to having only a girlfriend in his supporting cast. All of the historical characters had to be brought in to replace Ben Hayes, Pied Piper, Chunk and Connie. As for the story you explore, the return of Kapitalist Kourier and "Lady Flash" was welcome. Less welcome was when Waid brought back a one-off Messner-Loebs supporting character (with a new career) only to kill her. I understand that the storyline was built around such examples, but still. Surrounded by ninjas. And with him was his cousin, Barry's *other* speedster grandchild. Legacy. Mike Weiringo was great, probably my favourite. But the first couple of issues he drew? Yeesh. The art style was such a change and the inker(s ?) didn't yet know how to mesh with it. Once they went to the glossy paper the colours just make Ringo's art absolutely pop, but it took a while for Ringo's new art style to grow on me after reading so many issues with Larry Mahlstedt inking Greg LaRocque's pencils, that was an inspired pairing.
Mark Waid’s Flash Run is definitely my favorite run in comics. He added more mythology than almost anybody (Except for Broome) and it has my favorite stretch of issues in comics (Flash v2 80-94 + Issue 0). Some great artists have worked on the run (LaRocque, Wieringo, Jimenez, Pelletier) and each arc is really really solid
THANK YOU for reviewing Mark Waid's run on THE FLASH! Hate to say it but I'm one of those who was FURIOUS over the return of Barry Allen! 1. It ruined a great story and 2. I LIKED having Wally West as The Flash! I'm hoping there are some trade paperbacks from Waid's stint on The Flash similar to how Marvel reprinted his Daredevil!
I agree with you that Wally West was a great Flash, especially under Mark Waid. And in general, I think if you're going to hand the mantle over and create a legacy hero, the publisher should commit to the idea long term. On the other hand, Waid's complete run is still out there and readers come and go on serialized ongoing superhero books. So I do think it's fair for a writer to say, "hey, I have a new take on things" and to allow them to go with it. I'm at the point where I like various runs by creative teams on superheroes but I feel zero obligation to follow their stories forever and read every issue. In other words, I sort of honor my own personal cannon.
In contrast to The Flash, I think Hal Jordan never should have been killed off! It's touch and go. I think the decision to kill off ANY long term character shouldn't be made recklessly, impulsively or cynically!
I know this is Late ASF, But Chill with the Esclamation Points. 1. What Great Story did it Ruin? Mark Waid's Run Already Ended When Barry Came Back in Final Crisis and Flash Rebirth. And 2. It Doesn't Matter what you're feelings are, Wally has Been The Flash For Years, 20+ Years Since Barry Died in Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was time to Bring a Beloved Character like Barry Back Regardless of what you feel.
@@froger9973 Was it? The point of Mark Waid and Brian Augustyn doing The Return of Barry Allen was to prove that just this once a dead hero was truly dead and would never be resurrected.
Actually, Berry Allen says "my name is Berry Allen, and I'm the fastest man alive" and it was sense his first comic. Wally West says "My name is Wally West and I am the FLASH, the fastest man alive". Berry Allen introduces himself as the fastest man alive while Wally West introduces himself as the Flash, who is known as the fastest man alive. But those introductions both started with Jay Garrick sense his first comic, saying "My name is Jay Garrick and I am the fastest man alive". ⚡⚡⚡⚡
What a horrible comic. Wally West is the man. Tom King is a retard. I loved Johns’ run the best I think. It went to crap not long after they brought Allen back
I mean it really doesn't matter. If everybody can get over Hal Jordan being parallax then in a few years you'll get over this. Also I don't think it's that big of a deal. I have my own problems with heroes in crisis but wally killing people isn't really one of them. Especially since it was so inadvertent. The way people were talking about it I thought they he was gonna snap and go all Norman bates with a kitchen knife. But no his powers just sorta went out of control for a second and it ended up killing people by mistake. To me that does not ruin the character.
this run was amazing wally is my favorite flash . having jay, max, bart, and jessie as supporting characters made the mythos so huge. the russian speedsters were delivering things not stealing them. honestly bringing back barry killed my enthusiasm for DC. barry had such and epic and heroic death i feel his resurrection just crapped on it. and ruined the whole legacy theme of the flashes. btw you need a comic for a kid impulse. im sure they are super cheap in the back issue bin.
Legit question; am I the only one who considers the Dan Jurgens run on Superman to be a classic run for the character on the same level as Clairmont's X-Men or Miller's run on Daredevil? Granted, I might be biased, but my friends and I argue about Jurgens's place among the greats all the time!
The Speedforce is the only thing I've seen in comics that actually makes super speed make sense. Yeah it's pretty much just "magic", but at least it's a way to hand wave away all the issues that should come with running that fast. Most speedsters in other comic franchises have pretty much no explanation
That story sounds a bit like that old one where Vandal Savage(?) develops some sort of serum that would grant super speed to regular people but back then I believe there wasn't Speed Force and it was sort of explained that speedsters (and Superman?) had some 'aura' that would protect them against the air friction or whatever. Also these people who would use the serum would age quickly or be consumed by that power and since they didn't have much control over it they would constantly crash against things and smash themselves to death. Can't remember how it ended though or how it was called but it's out there and before this Mark Waid story...
Velocity 9. It ended with Wally being shot by Vandal and dying, but being saved by the remnant of previous bad guy Kilg%re and Wally getting a new, slightly updated suit, which finally set him apart from Barry.
I still believe jay garrick never got the modern overhaul he deserves. Garrick’s speed, age, and legacy together would easily make a great story. He’s essentially the perfect character to be symbolical of history, growing old, adapting to the modern era, and the peace and wisdom you gain in your elder years not to mention passing his legacy onto to the next generation. Garrick’s life flashed throughout the history of the dcu and American history. Out of all the flashes, Garrick has never been dc major focus except the golden age. Both, dc and marvel have so many characters who never got the triple a creative overhaul they deserved. Plastic mans another character I’d love to see get his just due.
Mark waids flash run is one of the greatest runs on any comic ever. He didnt just redefine the character, he redefined the characters predecessor and made a way for him to be even more significant in the dc universe forever. It kinda sucks that they brought barry back and shafted wally, as wallys growth from kid flash to fastest flash ever was earned, not like kyle rayner suddenly getting a ring in an alley because of editorial mandate. And so much of barry in the show and the comics relies on wallys storys. Man back in the late 90s we were still saying all superheroes cone back to life except for jason todd and barry allen, because their deaths actually had impact (and barrys was saintly). It is hard ro be bitter for 20 years and so i enjoy the show, but barry just feels like a fake in the comics. Hes not the fastest man alive and he should be learning from wally.
The "one" Phantom technically the 21st or something. It is not a legacy in being passed in story as we always follow the same guy but in universe it is a legacy character.
I just checked, and The Flash became a "legacy" character in 1961, when they created the Silver Age version. The Phantom was created in 1939, which makes him first, but he was followed shortly by the Black Hood in 1943, a character which combines legacy in-story and legacy in the real world. The Black Hood is cursed, and whoever wears it gains superpowers, but is eventually killed -- and the person's killer becomes the new Black Hood. Which means the Black Hood is sometimes a hero, sometimes a villain, and sometimes both or neither.
Flash vol 2 #50 pretty much started me collecting comics (when I could actually afford it). I always liked Wally more than Barry because I started collecting with his stories.
I really like the Mark Waid run, but he ran out gas bad at the end. Every story started being about the speed force and other speedsters, and it got tired fast. That and the fact that Waid hated all the old Rogues and did his best to either kill them off or just ignore them didn't help much. When he left and came back years latter it was even worse. His 2nd run was just not good.
Hi can someone identify the flash issue. All i remember is flash entering a mansion and confronted by three demons or somekind of entity disguised as two men and a woman. This was my first comic and i would like to get it again.
So, the Flash has been deputised by the IRS because he owes a boatload of money from when he won the lottery, but then lost all of the money before he could pay the tax he owed on it. The issue is 52 and it's right after Wally got his new costume with the blank eye lenses and the lightning bolt around his waist meeting in the middle with a downward point instead of going around his waist in a continuous circle, also the slightly reflective/gloss colour instead of the matte.
Brandon Siddall it’s still very clunky. I enjoy the assisted reading, and it’s great for sharing a book w someone who doesn’t read comics and is confused by which panels to read first. As far as purchasing frustration goes, that’s some kind of hang up w Apple. I’ll add books to my cart on my iPad [if I can find them, the search function doesn’t function], then hop over to my pixel and checkout via google pay where it works seamlessly.
It's really a shame, The guy who runs that channel isn't the best youtuber but it's really shocking how much attention actual Pros feed into some random guy with an iPhone, It made it feel like an actual war was going on. It was really embarrassing how much fuel they gave him. History isn't gonna look back kindly on them.
mark waid is an absolute sack of crap. made fun of an independent comic creator who was critical of his work, told him to put up or shut up, so the guy got independently funded. so mark waid proceeded to have him blacklisted from the industry, blacklisted from comic book shops, called his publisher and threatened him not to publish his book, and encouraged people to doxx him. what a heroic person to be writing our paragons of virtue. approve.
ComiXology for me is a god send. Marvel Unlimited even more so (hurry up DC and allow us Aussies in on your subscription reading app!). I’ve been unemployed with a disability for 5 years now and if there wasn’t a cheap and easily accessible way to read comics I’d not be able to read much except a handful of trades a year. Don’t get me wrong. I have would absolutely love to be able to have a weekly pull list again. The joy of Wednesdays is something I sadly can no longer participate in. (Brisbane is the only place near me that has a comic book store and it’s an hour drive from my place) Plus a printed comic or hardcover is something that cannot be replicated on a screen. But even so, with those apps, I can buy things on sale or subscribe to marvel and read anything I want, whenever. 6 months delay for me doesn’t mean much because I’m always a few years behind anyway. I read so much these days that I never could have in the past. Plus an iPad is easy for me to be able to hold onto. The main concern I have is that I hope creators aren’t affected monetarily by me reading digital especially on a subscription service.
I can't stand Waid now, he weaseled his way out of a tortious interference lawsuit, but back in the 90s his Wally West Flash comics were incredible! He did things I couldn't imagine with the character, with his powers, it was amazing. But the greatest thing he ever did was "The Return of Barry Allen." Wally has finally defeated his immortal enemy Vandal Savage. He has embraced his identity of the Flash and no longer lives in Barry's shadow. (The previous writer went deep on the psychological impact of Barry's death on Wally from imposter syndrome to survivor guilt) He and his now girlfriend Linda are entering a bright new future together. And then Barry Allen returns. It is impossible in this day and age to understand the impact of that statement. Barry Allen died in 1985 during the crisis on infinite earths, a maxiseries crossover event. And stayed dead for 23 years! Barry Allen's sacrifice put the exclamation point on the whole Crisis and then they moved on, with his protege Kid Flash becoming the new Flash. For 74 issues of the new Flash comic the death of Barry Allen was a immutable fact. And then Waid brought him back. Sorta. In truth, it wasn't the Flash that returned, it was the Reverse Flash. Only it wasn't the Eobard Thawn that fought with Barry all those years ago, it was a younger Thawn who used future tech to emulate his favorite hero and used that tech to then come and visit Barry in his past. Only he undershot the amount of time to show up after Barry died and while Wally was the new Flash. The complete head trip this arc was can't be quantified. I hadn't had such a reaction to a story arc since Marv Wolfman wrote the Judas Contract. And then to have Wally overpower and trick Thawn back to the future was just icing on the cake. (Actually it was the Lloyd Benson line, I knew Barry Allen and you are no Barry Allen) Yeah, Waid has done some awful stuff in comics and IRL since, but the Return of Barry Allen was his masterpiece.
@@unknownuser8967 Didn't need clarity on Waid's run on Cap. Need clarity on why anyone would think it was anything other than a steaming pile that continued Marvel's tradition of disrespecting their long term fans and franchises
Mark Waids contributions to the comic book industry in general are underrated by today's generation of int ernet trolls and haters. Mark waid is nothing less than a comic book God.
They would rather follow some talentless hack doing a tired TH-cam grift (not talking about THIS channel) who wouldn`t know good writing and thoughtful characters if someone hit them on the head with a 2X4 with it...
@@marioozzie isn't he the guy who calls readers nazi or something? that doesn't change the quality of his run, there are a lot of good artists/writers who are assholes.
Is he? What with his ability to phase through matter, airwalk, create storms, light things on fire, manipulate energy, time travel, and punch almost as hard as the bricks of his world...
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 sorry. And wouldn't know because as you know, this is the internet where Teen Titans Go will get you stabbed because people can't just enjoy what they enjoy. XD
Your channel is criminally underrated. Constantly informative and entertaining.
“Your channel is criminally underrated *,* constantly informative and entertaining”
I just discovered your channel, and you have really good stuff. I am currently reading the Jeremy Adams Flash run and it’s so good. I grew up with the Mark Waid run, and Flash became one of my favorite characters with the Geoff Johns’ run.
Wally West will forever be MY Flash. Grew up with him as The Flash in the comics and JLU, so when Barry Allen came back, I was very disappointed.
I bridged between Barry and Wally but I agree about being disappointed at Barry's return. Despite the push, Barry was never as interesting and seemed to rely on big events to generate interest (in comics, not TV) rather than humanity.
Mark Waid signed my issue of Flash#0. It's one of my prized possessions because of the plot and what Wally does for himself. It's always reminded me of every meaningful chat shared when I needed it the most. I hope Mr. Waid knows how special that story is.
Mark Waid really made me love all the Flashes. From Jay Garrick to Bart Allen.
You can tell how old a Flash fan is by which Flash they like best.
I love Mike Weiringo’s art. Was really sad to hear about his passing years ago.
Wally West IS the Flash for me. He was the Flash when I was growing up, and Waid's run on the Flash was LEGENDARY.
100% agree. Between Waid’s run, Morrison’s JL and JLU, Wally West has always been MY flash and the flash for a lot of other fans in our generation. personally, I don’t really care all that much about Barry Allen.
I enjoy waid run on wally flash and morrison and waid justice league and the dcau geoff johns run and people don't talk about this run but i love morrison run on flash
@@RustyShackleford1988 even do I love wally west as flash i didn't hate barry allen i actully like the rest of the speeders
And then Heroes in Crisis happened.
@@Ubermensch9240 I like to forget that, helps that DC keeps trying to slightly retcon it (and now Wally is leading the flash book it might get changed a bit again)
Your history of comics knowledge is amazing but i like that you show you are human and there is always something more to learn.
Waid's run on Flash is as legendary as Claremont's run on x-men, or Peter David's Hulk run.
I would like to see more videos about you discussing the Mark Waid's Flash run. So many good stories and characters. By far my favorite Flash writer.
44:09 - Showcase (#4?), 35:23 - John Broome (or Gardner Fox), Carmine Infantino with Joe Kubert. I continue to enjoy your show!
I've always said that if you want to know what the next big crossover event is going to be about or who the villan is going to be. Then just catch up on what's going on in either the flash comics or the green lantern comics. Because most of the big crossover events always seem to spin out of those 2 books.
Wish you could've gotten one more question right. I loved the Johns/Kolins Flash run! Waid is good too, though! Good to see Flashie getting some respeck on his name for once!
Great video. I started reading Flash and Green Lantern when Marvel went off the rails with Onslaught and Heroes Reborn.
You are perfectly right!Neal Adams was so inspiring in the Flash Comics!
Lol, I absolutely love watching you geek out over the Flash! It's like me and Superman, if someone brings up Supes, I can talk for HOURS!! 😂 (P.S.- My favorite Superman era was Dan Jurgens's run!)
Wally is my Flash because I came in during his run (thanks to John Wesley Shipp). In fact, I came back to DC comics for the first time in years because of John Wesley Shipp. Wally led me to JLE, which led me back into the wider DC universe. I'd read various Superman and Batman issues as a child, often b+w reprints in Australia, I had really enjoyed the Jonni Thunder miniseries, she was one tough cookie. I'd also read a few Cap and Defenders stories along with a *tonne* of Battle/Commando comics, but I'd drifted away for a couple of years before getting back into the Phantom, and exclusively the Phantom, through Australian newsstands in a big way. Then Pet Fly Productions' production hit and it reminded me. So, when I saw Superman race, and lose to, the Flash, I bought it. Then the next issue of the Flash that I saw, it was the first part of the two-parter Icicle's will story.
Anyway, as absolutely fantastic, nay, brilliant, as Mark Waid's run was, it was William Messner-Loebs who set it up (along with the Dragnet-style opening narration) and one thing that disappointed me about Waid's run was that he immediately dropped every supporting character except for Linda Park. Wally went from having friends to having only a girlfriend in his supporting cast. All of the historical characters had to be brought in to replace Ben Hayes, Pied Piper, Chunk and Connie.
As for the story you explore, the return of Kapitalist Kourier and "Lady Flash" was welcome.
Less welcome was when Waid brought back a one-off Messner-Loebs supporting character (with a new career) only to kill her. I understand that the storyline was built around such examples, but still.
Surrounded by ninjas. And with him was his cousin, Barry's *other* speedster grandchild.
Legacy.
Mike Weiringo was great, probably my favourite. But the first couple of issues he drew? Yeesh. The art style was such a change and the inker(s ?) didn't yet know how to mesh with it. Once they went to the glossy paper the colours just make Ringo's art absolutely pop, but it took a while for Ringo's new art style to grow on me after reading so many issues with Larry Mahlstedt inking Greg LaRocque's pencils, that was an inspired pairing.
Mark Waid’s Flash Run is definitely my favorite run in comics. He added more mythology than almost anybody (Except for Broome) and it has my favorite stretch of issues in comics (Flash v2 80-94 + Issue 0). Some great artists have worked on the run (LaRocque, Wieringo, Jimenez, Pelletier) and each arc is really really solid
ok broome.
THANK YOU for reviewing Mark Waid's run on THE FLASH! Hate to say it but I'm one of those who was FURIOUS over the return of Barry Allen! 1. It ruined a great story and 2. I LIKED having Wally West as The Flash! I'm hoping there are some trade paperbacks from Waid's stint on The Flash similar to how Marvel reprinted his Daredevil!
I agree with you that Wally West was a great Flash, especially under Mark Waid. And in general, I think if you're going to hand the mantle over and create a legacy hero, the publisher should commit to the idea long term.
On the other hand, Waid's complete run is still out there and readers come and go on serialized ongoing superhero books. So I do think it's fair for a writer to say, "hey, I have a new take on things" and to allow them to go with it. I'm at the point where I like various runs by creative teams on superheroes but I feel zero obligation to follow their stories forever and read every issue. In other words, I sort of honor my own personal cannon.
In contrast to The Flash, I think Hal Jordan never should have been killed off! It's touch and go. I think the decision to kill off ANY long term character shouldn't be made recklessly, impulsively or cynically!
I know this is Late ASF, But Chill with the Esclamation Points. 1. What Great Story did it Ruin? Mark Waid's Run Already Ended When Barry Came Back in Final Crisis and Flash Rebirth. And 2. It Doesn't Matter what you're feelings are, Wally has Been The Flash For Years, 20+ Years Since Barry Died in Crisis on Infinite Earths. It was time to Bring a Beloved Character like Barry Back Regardless of what you feel.
@@froger9973 Was it? The point of Mark Waid and Brian Augustyn doing The Return of Barry Allen was to prove that just this once a dead hero was truly dead and would never be resurrected.
Actually, Berry Allen says "my name is Berry Allen, and I'm the fastest man alive" and it was sense his first comic. Wally West says "My name is Wally West and I am the FLASH, the fastest man alive". Berry Allen introduces himself as the fastest man alive while Wally West introduces himself as the Flash, who is known as the fastest man alive. But those introductions both started with Jay Garrick sense his first comic, saying "My name is Jay Garrick and I am the fastest man alive".
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Never gave the Flash the credit he deserves. Such and interesting character.
It's so sad to see how far DC's fallen. How could Heroes in Crisis exist?
What a horrible comic. Wally West is the man. Tom King is a retard.
I loved Johns’ run the best I think. It went to crap not long after they brought Allen back
Good thing Williamson retconned the events of HiC
I mean it really doesn't matter. If everybody can get over Hal Jordan being parallax then in a few years you'll get over this. Also I don't think it's that big of a deal. I have my own problems with heroes in crisis but wally killing people isn't really one of them. Especially since it was so inadvertent. The way people were talking about it I thought they he was gonna snap and go all Norman bates with a kitchen knife. But no his powers just sorta went out of control for a second and it ended up killing people by mistake. To me that does not ruin the character.
@@illwill1991 Hal Jordan being Parallax was the best thing ever done with that plank of wood.
Love The Flash. However, I share your sentiment regarding the art around that period.
this run was amazing wally is my favorite flash . having jay, max, bart, and jessie as supporting characters made the mythos so huge. the russian speedsters were delivering things not stealing them. honestly bringing back barry killed my enthusiasm for DC. barry had such and epic and heroic death i feel his resurrection just crapped on it. and ruined the whole legacy theme of the flashes. btw you need a comic for a kid impulse. im sure they are super cheap in the back issue bin.
Legit question; am I the only one who considers the Dan Jurgens run on Superman to be a classic run for the character on the same level as Clairmont's X-Men or Miller's run on Daredevil? Granted, I might be biased, but my friends and I argue about Jurgens's place among the greats all the time!
Better opening and closing...keep that UP!! Also fun to hear about one of my favs......the Flash!!
The Speedforce is the only thing I've seen in comics that actually makes super speed make sense. Yeah it's pretty much just "magic", but at least it's a way to hand wave away all the issues that should come with running that fast. Most speedsters in other comic franchises have pretty much no explanation
Waid's respect for John Broome's work was really neat. I also liked how he never did anything the way the reader expected.
You should try the DC comics app. Sometimes you get better deals than comixology and you can pay on the app
Is that the same Chris Sim who wrote the deadpool bad blood comic?
That story sounds a bit like that old one where Vandal Savage(?) develops some sort of serum that would grant super speed to regular people but back then I believe there wasn't Speed Force and it was sort of explained that speedsters (and Superman?) had some 'aura' that would protect them against the air friction or whatever.
Also these people who would use the serum would age quickly or be consumed by that power and since they didn't have much control over it they would constantly crash against things and smash themselves to death. Can't remember how it ended though or how it was called but it's out there and before this Mark Waid story...
Velocity 9. It ended with Wally being shot by Vandal and dying, but being saved by the remnant of previous bad guy Kilg%re and Wally getting a new, slightly updated suit, which finally set him apart from Barry.
I still believe jay garrick never got the modern overhaul he deserves. Garrick’s speed, age, and legacy together would easily make a great story. He’s essentially the perfect character to be symbolical of history, growing old, adapting to the modern era, and the peace and wisdom you gain in your elder years not to mention passing his legacy onto to the next generation. Garrick’s life flashed throughout the history of the dcu and American history. Out of all the flashes, Garrick has never been dc major focus except the golden age. Both, dc and marvel have so many characters who never got the triple a creative overhaul they deserved. Plastic mans another character I’d love to see get his just due.
Mark waids flash run is one of the greatest runs on any comic ever. He didnt just redefine the character, he redefined the characters predecessor and made a way for him to be even more significant in the dc universe forever. It kinda sucks that they brought barry back and shafted wally, as wallys growth from kid flash to fastest flash ever was earned, not like kyle rayner suddenly getting a ring in an alley because of editorial mandate. And so much of barry in the show and the comics relies on wallys storys. Man back in the late 90s we were still saying all superheroes cone back to life except for jason todd and barry allen, because their deaths actually had impact (and barrys was saintly). It is hard ro be bitter for 20 years and so i enjoy the show, but barry just feels like a fake in the comics. Hes not the fastest man alive and he should be learning from wally.
What a strange tirade against a fictional character
Bro, I LOVE your stuff, but "Flash as the first legacy hero"... BRO: ¡¡¡The Phantom!!!
Bruno Jesus Guil Perez theres a second phantom?
The "one" Phantom technically the 21st or something. It is not a legacy in being passed in story as we always follow the same guy but in universe it is a legacy character.
I just checked, and The Flash became a "legacy" character in 1961, when they created the Silver Age version. The Phantom was created in 1939, which makes him first, but he was followed shortly by the Black Hood in 1943, a character which combines legacy in-story and legacy in the real world. The Black Hood is cursed, and whoever wears it gains superpowers, but is eventually killed -- and the person's killer becomes the new Black Hood. Which means the Black Hood is sometimes a hero, sometimes a villain, and sometimes both or neither.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace that is an amazing concept.
@@NoJusticeNoPeace the concept sounds similar to Grendel lol.
Marvel still does those editorial notes pretty often
dead heat is one of my all time favorite flash runs.
yknow I'm pretty sure the first comic I owned was a flash comic, I got given it by a neighbor when I was moving as a kid
Various _runs_ of _The Flash._
I see what's happening here.
Flash vol 2 #50 pretty much started me collecting comics (when I could actually afford it). I always liked Wally more than Barry because I started collecting with his stories.
I don't get that crossbow thing at the end
Im not really big fan of having many speedsters aside from Flash ( it being Barry or Wally ) and Jay Garrick. I think it gets oversaturated.
The Speedforce is cool as shit
I really like the Mark Waid run, but he ran out gas bad at the end. Every story started being about the speed force and other speedsters, and it got tired fast. That and the fact that Waid hated all the old Rogues and did his best to either kill them off or just ignore them didn't help much. When he left and came back years latter it was even worse. His 2nd run was just not good.
Yeah one of the biggest flaws in waids run was that he hated the rouges lmao. The rouges are one of the best parts about flash.
I grow up with wally West as the flash
Mark Waid's writing is peerless!!! Never read anything by him that I didn't like.
I really liked Paul Pelletiers Art on The Flash
I liked William Messner-Loebs as a writer on the the Flash. I thought his run was better than Mark Waid’s
I liked both. I also think Cary Bates was alright, especially his 11 year run.
I like messner-loebs,waid johns and the new 52/rebirth
The flash as super hero is the strongest. Like the Hulk, they have to fight him down.
Hi can someone identify the flash issue. All i remember is flash entering a mansion and confronted by three demons or somekind of entity disguised as two men and a woman. This was my first comic and i would like to get it again.
So, the Flash has been deputised by the IRS because he owes a boatload of money from when he won the lottery, but then lost all of the money before he could pay the tax he owed on it.
The issue is 52 and it's right after Wally got his new costume with the blank eye lenses and the lightning bolt around his waist meeting in the middle with a downward point instead of going around his waist in a continuous circle, also the slightly reflective/gloss colour instead of the matte.
DO GOEFF JOHNS TROPES!!
I started his run last night on lunch @ work
Cool end.
I don't think I can separate the art from the artist with Waid anymore.
@NotSnarl what did he do?
Do you think that Comixology has gotten better?
Brandon Siddall it’s still very clunky. I enjoy the assisted reading, and it’s great for sharing a book w someone who doesn’t read comics and is confused by which panels to read first. As far as purchasing frustration goes, that’s some kind of hang up w Apple. I’ll add books to my cart on my iPad [if I can find them, the search function doesn’t function], then hop over to my pixel and checkout via google pay where it works seamlessly.
Grandson of Berry Alan
Great vid. Too bad Mark Waid ruined his own legacy by committing tortious interference against a Iraq/Afghan USMC Vet by bullying a small publisher.
Yeah hes pretty belligerent about his beliefs which is a shame. I reappy enjoy his work on Kingdom Come
It's really a shame, The guy who runs that channel isn't the best youtuber but it's really shocking how much attention actual Pros feed into some random guy with an iPhone, It made it feel like an actual war was going on. It was really embarrassing how much fuel they gave him. History isn't gonna look back kindly on them.
mark waid is an absolute sack of crap.
made fun of an independent comic creator who was critical of his work, told him to put up or shut up, so the guy got independently funded.
so mark waid proceeded to have him blacklisted from the industry, blacklisted from comic book shops, called his publisher and threatened him not to publish his book,
and encouraged people to doxx him.
what a heroic person to be writing our paragons of virtue. approve.
For the all go ruthenium
Legacy can't be a theme. Legacy would be a topic, what the writer says about legacy is the theme. Lots of people make that mistake.
ComiXology for me is a god send. Marvel Unlimited even more so (hurry up DC and allow us Aussies in on your subscription reading app!). I’ve been unemployed with a disability for 5 years now and if there wasn’t a cheap and easily accessible way to read comics I’d not be able to read much except a handful of trades a year.
Don’t get me wrong. I have would absolutely love to be able to have a weekly pull list again. The joy of Wednesdays is something I sadly can no longer participate in. (Brisbane is the only place near me that has a comic book store and it’s an hour drive from my place) Plus a printed comic or hardcover is something that cannot be replicated on a screen.
But even so, with those apps, I can buy things on sale or subscribe to marvel and read anything I want, whenever. 6 months delay for me doesn’t mean much because I’m always a few years behind anyway. I read so much these days that I never could have in the past. Plus an iPad is easy for me to be able to hold onto.
The main concern I have is that I hope creators aren’t affected monetarily by me reading digital especially on a subscription service.
Always late
I can't stand Waid now, he weaseled his way out of a tortious interference lawsuit, but back in the 90s his Wally West Flash comics were incredible! He did things I couldn't imagine with the character, with his powers, it was amazing. But the greatest thing he ever did was "The Return of Barry Allen." Wally has finally defeated his immortal enemy Vandal Savage. He has embraced his identity of the Flash and no longer lives in Barry's shadow. (The previous writer went deep on the psychological impact of Barry's death on Wally from imposter syndrome to survivor guilt) He and his now girlfriend Linda are entering a bright new future together. And then Barry Allen returns. It is impossible in this day and age to understand the impact of that statement. Barry Allen died in 1985 during the crisis on infinite earths, a maxiseries crossover event. And stayed dead for 23 years! Barry Allen's sacrifice put the exclamation point on the whole Crisis and then they moved on, with his protege Kid Flash becoming the new Flash. For 74 issues of the new Flash comic the death of Barry Allen was a immutable fact. And then Waid brought him back. Sorta. In truth, it wasn't the Flash that returned, it was the Reverse Flash. Only it wasn't the Eobard Thawn that fought with Barry all those years ago, it was a younger Thawn who used future tech to emulate his favorite hero and used that tech to then come and visit Barry in his past. Only he undershot the amount of time to show up after Barry died and while Wally was the new Flash. The complete head trip this arc was can't be quantified. I hadn't had such a reaction to a story arc since Marv Wolfman wrote the Judas Contract. And then to have Wally overpower and trick Thawn back to the future was just icing on the cake. (Actually it was the Lloyd Benson line, I knew Barry Allen and you are no Barry Allen) Yeah, Waid has done some awful stuff in comics and IRL since, but the Return of Barry Allen was his masterpiece.
In Young Justice TV series the Impuls was introduced as Barry Allen's grandson.
I prefer Wally West..... the white one!
just like Capt. America, it was Mark Waid's superb writing that made me read flash.
Just like Captain America? Seriously?
@@ronaldfrechette2045 he has a run on Cap.
@@unknownuser8967 so do a lot of people, doesn't mean it is good, let alone "superb."
@@ronaldfrechette2045 hey he think its good. Just clarifying it for ya. You seem dont understand what he was saying.
@@unknownuser8967 Didn't need clarity on Waid's run on Cap. Need clarity on why anyone would think it was anything other than a steaming pile that continued Marvel's tradition of disrespecting their long term fans and franchises
Mark Waids contributions to the comic book industry in general are underrated by today's generation of int
ernet trolls and haters. Mark waid is nothing less than a comic book God.
They would rather follow some talentless hack doing a tired TH-cam grift (not talking about THIS channel) who wouldn`t know good writing and thoughtful characters if someone hit them on the head with a 2X4 with it...
@@marioozzie isn't he the guy who calls readers nazi or something? that doesn't change the quality of his run, there are a lot of good artists/writers who are assholes.
I’m a terrible person who reads all my comics on scan sites lmao
The Flash is a one trick pony.
Is he? What with his ability to phase through matter, airwalk, create storms, light things on fire, manipulate energy, time travel, and punch almost as hard as the bricks of his world...
@@LupineShadowOmega It was reference to Teen TItans GO! my favourite DC show. Those guys are like deadpool and south park rolled into one.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 sorry. And wouldn't know because as you know, this is the internet where Teen Titans Go will get you stabbed because people can't just enjoy what they enjoy. XD
@@LupineShadowOmega I get it. I fully and unashamadely love the show. Internet trolls can go back to their pathetic caves in their mommies's basement.
You look British. Way to ditch yer accent mate.
🤬 hate the show.