"You're the man now, Doog!" I believe I actually stopped playing Doog Constructors shortly after they became available to me. It flies in the face of the game mechanics. That green gauge is crew. Just what are the Doog building, more crew members? Or are we supposed to believe that sound effect is some sort of artificial insemination machine? XP
It probably would have made more sense if it worked like Slylandro probe. 1 crew (captain) is green at the far left, the rest are greyed out to represent hull mass.
The galaxy known to your species as No. If you are so important, you don't care what our galaxy is called at all. That is like naming the square inch of grass that you are evicting ants from.
The arrival of the Heralds is one of the most memorable bits of the game, for me. I distinctly remember finding their theme baller as fuck. Yet, I remember the cinematic showing them coming on the right side, not the left... weird. Those fights were... absurd. Bumper cars with homing bullets that fire like it's the largest pea-shooter in the galaxy. That was poor performance by the Herald ships, even on the easiest difficulty. They hardly move, they turn around firing aimlessly half the time... but that Doog ship is a bit imba, indeed. That regen is silly, but they had to come up with something. Thankfully, you can opt out of using them. And fighting them is easier... if I recall right. Keep your distance whilst making the fight as short as possible to disable their regenerating. The Herald doll isn't the worst, but it could definitely be better. Doesn't fit their theme at all, neither doll nor speech. If they'd pulled off a badass race (up to par with their theme), maybe the ending could've been passable or more.
I feel obligated to point out that you obviously set the difficulty to standard, which is the lowest setting. The Herald ships are supposed to have cloaking devices, which they use when set to "good" or "awesome" computer play. THEN try using one Doog ship.
OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things: 1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead. 2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty. As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked). Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
When I played ME, after the first cutscene with Nihlus and Anderson I immediately associated Protheans with Precursors. It's not even funny how even their names are so similar. And then Sovereign (or was it Harbinger?) says "we are eternal" (Eternal Ones).
I think the herald vessels were supposed to be some kind of mix between the Kor-Ah Marauders and the Ilwrath Avengers. That didn't really work out. And the Doog constructor is like the Mycon... with a decent weapon... and a faster repair rate... and decent engines. I guess what I'm getting at here is that the combat is horrible. There's really no differences in speed anymore, and suddenly there's a few ships that can kill anything, be it Arilou or Ur-quan. This is NOT a good recipe for a game.
One of the great things about SC2 was that the player never got directly involved in the really huge space battles, the ones involving entire spheres of influence. They happened, but only in the background. The player never directly participated in any of them. In order to make the Heralds "work", their supposedly invincible armada had to be trimmed down to the size of a single fleet. It's like it was *designed* to be underwhelming. =/
That and the Ur-quan could actually back up their reputation in-game. Even with the ships that counter them, like the Spathi Eluder or the Utwig Jugger, fighting the Ur-Quan was a painful, dangerous ordeal with a high chance of failure.
GOD THIS IS AN INSULT TO STAR CONTROL Were the developers whacked up on a cocktail of benzos, PCP and crack when they made this?!This gotta be a joke...oh my god. ROFLMAO Heralds "never defeated before" fleet destroyed by 1 Doog ship..god this is fucked up.
Why bother showing the combat, when you have the game set to chickenshit difficulty level? It completely switches off all the abilities of the enemy ships, and greatly stupidifies their aim and movement.
I admit, I played Star Control 3 first, and thought it was okay, despite the stupid bad balancing. I can't see why people think it's the bad apple of the bunch. The species are memorable and the gameplay was satisfying (although I never want to suffer through space combat again)...
The reason it’s the bad apple of the bunch in my opinion is that ignoring the actual races and creativity present. They directly threw out or disregarded previous lore. If you’re going from star control 2 to star control 3 the issues are MUCH more apparent than the other way around. Also don’t mean to be rude responding to a years old comment . Hope you’re doing well as a fellow sc fan.
TOYS FOR BOB should be working on part 4 for Starcon. Starcon 3 should be a bad dream that never happened. This was my favorite game. The big business killed it. Wouldn't a Starcon universe be great as an MMO?
@@linksbetweendrinks7032 ... would cloaking help against the Doog's auto-aiming gun? Because if the auto-aim sees through the Heralds cloak, then it literally has no impact on the battle. I don't know one way or the other, though.
@@linksbetweendrinks7032 OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things: 1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead. 2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty. As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked). Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things: 1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead. 2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty. As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked). Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
It's all so clear now! That one bit where the Herald ship killed itself on the planet all 'lol gravity :B' is symbolic of when you forget how to reverse your car and get stuck in the corner for like five minutes, while everyone else laughs and rams into you. This in turn is symbolic of the futility of life. (Or of getting in a bumper car when you fail as hard as I do.) This game is deeper than we thought. 8D (P.S. I lol'd.)
(not sure if comment was posted) Ever noticed how the planet changes with every round? Makes no sense....ok, Herald #9, I'll fight YOU around the 2nd rock from the star, ok...#11, you stay at the fifth one, you'll have your chance!
SkarmoryThePG there is definitely a way to change it, I've seen multiple videos with the different perspective - However, I imagine it'd be easier with the perspective in the video 'cos then it's actually possible to line up a good shot.
"You're the man now, Doog!"
I believe I actually stopped playing Doog Constructors shortly after they became available to me. It flies in the face of the game mechanics. That green gauge is crew. Just what are the Doog building, more crew members? Or are we supposed to believe that sound effect is some sort of artificial insemination machine? XP
It probably would have made more sense if it worked like Slylandro probe. 1 crew (captain) is green at the far left, the rest are greyed out to represent hull mass.
The galaxy known to your species as
No. If you are so important, you don't care what our galaxy is called at all. That is like naming the square inch of grass that you are evicting ants from.
They are polite intergalactic overlords. They bothered to talk afterall.
No, its like calling the square inch of grass a chemical smell the ants use to identify their nest.
The arrival of the Heralds is one of the most memorable bits of the game, for me. I distinctly remember finding their theme baller as fuck. Yet, I remember the cinematic showing them coming on the right side, not the left... weird.
Those fights were... absurd. Bumper cars with homing bullets that fire like it's the largest pea-shooter in the galaxy. That was poor performance by the Herald ships, even on the easiest difficulty. They hardly move, they turn around firing aimlessly half the time... but that Doog ship is a bit imba, indeed. That regen is silly, but they had to come up with something. Thankfully, you can opt out of using them. And fighting them is easier... if I recall right. Keep your distance whilst making the fight as short as possible to disable their regenerating.
The Herald doll isn't the worst, but it could definitely be better. Doesn't fit their theme at all, neither doll nor speech. If they'd pulled off a badass race (up to par with their theme), maybe the ending could've been passable or more.
I feel obligated to point out that you obviously set the difficulty to standard, which is the lowest setting. The Herald ships are supposed to have cloaking devices, which they use when set to "good" or "awesome" computer play. THEN try using one Doog ship.
I totally agree. It was the cloaking that made that battle quite difficult.
... would cloaking help against the Doog's auto-aiming gun?
OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things:
1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead.
2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty.
As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked).
Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
Reapers before their time. Well... kind of.
When I played ME, after the first cutscene with Nihlus and Anderson I immediately associated Protheans with Precursors. It's not even funny how even their names are so similar. And then Sovereign (or was it Harbinger?) says "we are eternal" (Eternal Ones).
No style.
No grace.
Not even a funny face.
They could have had style if they quicked ass... Sadly they couldn't.
Honestly, this final battle is like watching a cat beat the Red army with a double decker bus...
I don't think anyone balanced this game
Possibly the strangest metaphor I've ever heard. But accurate.
I think the herald vessels were supposed to be some kind of mix between the Kor-Ah Marauders and the Ilwrath Avengers. That didn't really work out. And the Doog constructor is like the Mycon... with a decent weapon... and a faster repair rate... and decent engines.
I guess what I'm getting at here is that the combat is horrible. There's really no differences in speed anymore, and suddenly there's a few ships that can kill anything, be it Arilou or Ur-quan. This is NOT a good recipe for a game.
lol, all those threats then decimated by one ship
I like the Heralds' bizarre rock theme.
One of the great things about SC2 was that the player never got directly involved in the really huge space battles, the ones involving entire spheres of influence. They happened, but only in the background. The player never directly participated in any of them. In order to make the Heralds "work", their supposedly invincible armada had to be trimmed down to the size of a single fleet. It's like it was *designed* to be underwhelming. =/
That and the Ur-quan could actually back up their reputation in-game. Even with the ships that counter them, like the Spathi Eluder or the Utwig Jugger, fighting the Ur-Quan was a painful, dangerous ordeal with a high chance of failure.
GOD THIS IS AN INSULT TO STAR CONTROL
Were the developers whacked up on a cocktail of benzos, PCP and crack when they made this?!This gotta be a joke...oh my god.
ROFLMAO Heralds "never defeated before" fleet destroyed by 1 Doog ship..god this is fucked up.
ZarlaSheenaza! I wish I could turn on your annotations, but TH-cam removed them!
... Maybe you could re-add them via subtitles?
The Doog Constructor is severely unbalanced.
Why bother showing the combat, when you have the game set to chickenshit difficulty level?
It completely switches off all the abilities of the enemy ships, and greatly stupidifies their aim and movement.
I admit, I played Star Control 3 first, and thought it was okay, despite the stupid bad balancing. I can't see why people think it's the bad apple of the bunch.
The species are memorable and the gameplay was satisfying (although I never want to suffer through space combat again)...
The reason it’s the bad apple of the bunch in my opinion is that ignoring the actual races and creativity present. They directly threw out or disregarded previous lore. If you’re going from star control 2 to star control 3 the issues are MUCH more apparent than the other way around. Also don’t mean to be rude responding to a years old comment . Hope you’re doing well as a fellow sc fan.
I would definitely play starcon 3 if:
1. The graphics were improved
2. The sound was improved
3. The combat was improved
The sound would include better voice acting and Original soundtrack.
TOYS FOR BOB should be working on part 4 for Starcon. Starcon 3 should be a bad dream that never happened. This was my favorite game. The big business killed it. Wouldn't a Starcon universe be great as an MMO?
Boy.... that’s too many ships!
you only need one upgraded doog ship to win the final battle. hahaha
Well, he's got it on the easiest setting. The Herald ships aren't allowed to use their secondary ability.
@@linksbetweendrinks7032 ... would cloaking help against the Doog's auto-aiming gun?
Because if the auto-aim sees through the Heralds cloak, then it literally has no impact on the battle. I don't know one way or the other, though.
@@linksbetweendrinks7032
OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things:
1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead.
2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty.
As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked).
Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
Y'know, their "Face away to gain battery" device broke right when they initiated battles.
Didn't they have a cloaking device?
I remembered them having a cloaking device.
... would cloaking help against the Doog's auto-aiming gun?
OK, having actually PLAYED the game now, I can tell you two things:
1) While cloaked, the Doog Constructor's auto-aiming gun would only shoot straight ahead.
2) The Herald Exterminator would still charge to point blank range and twitch/spin like crazy, even at "awesome" difficulty.
As such, I don't think much would change; sure, the Constructor would need to actually AIM its shots to an extent, but the Exterminator's spamming of cloak would paradoxically LOWER the damage the it could inflict to the Constructor due to excessive battery consumption(and unlike the Ilwrath Avenger, it doesn't automatically turn to face the foe if it shoots while cloaked).
Sacrificing damage to reduce damage taken sounds fine, except that the upgraded Doog Constructor regenerates health insanely quickly, so the best strategy is to inflict as mush damage as possible before it can regenerate; and sadly, the AI isn't smart enough to take advantage of the Exterminator's vastly superior range, even at the highest level.
So, these ships are larger than the planet and I don't know why, but that's the part that bothers me the most
It's a game stupid, if the planet was to scale, you wouldn't have any room for the ships.
7:13 Captain of Star Control: This is the end of you and that's for the invasion of our galaxy.
It's all so clear now! That one bit where the Herald ship killed itself on the planet all 'lol gravity :B' is symbolic of when you forget how to reverse your car and get stuck in the corner for like five minutes, while everyone else laughs and rams into you. This in turn is symbolic of the futility of life. (Or of getting in a bumper car when you fail as hard as I do.)
This game is deeper than we thought. 8D
(P.S. I lol'd.)
On 2:28 second answer is modernized version of "I get medieval on your ass.".
Just set the perspective to 2D, and the melee fighting would be similar to SC2. Don't just bash the game because of your preconceived notions.
Looks and sounds like a biker gang appearing on the scene.
I think I’ll make that bit at the beginning my ringtone.
Do the Eternal Ones ever show up on screen?
This has a real mass effect vibe
Why doog ship is a best ship to fight?
(not sure if comment was posted) Ever noticed how the planet changes with every round? Makes no sense....ok, Herald #9, I'll fight YOU around the 2nd rock from the star, ok...#11, you stay at the fifth one, you'll have your chance!
I kind of love that the combat involves repeatedly ramming you ship into things like you’re trying to force them together.
What is with the massively oversized shots the Heralds fire? LOL! God that looks horrible.
If I could make a ship that bumps into an enemy with all guns blazing, then regenerates health after, I'd be a trillionaire.
If it is too easy, why not just turn up the difficulty setting? Hmmmmmmm...?
What do you mean by broken?
+Mario G Hernandez Activate annotations and watch the battle.
i have two questions, 1) how do i build ship with the artifact upgrade? (or downgrade in the case of the vux) 2) how do i make combat top-down?
2:35 That's one hell of an endurance match. 😗
@Littlebiger Uh, he wasn't aware that there WAS a difficulty setting...
They just said they weren't the Eternal Ones, just their servants.
HyperMelee = Super Melee + Bumper Cars
IT'S ALL SO CLEAR NOW!! :O
he got a lazy sixth eye, there is no need to rub it in, sheesh...
Well at least that little intro bit was okay...
What happens if you surrender lol?
Weird. I recall SC3 not having a top-down view, showing off the fighting ships in a prettier way...
SkarmoryThePG there is definitely a way to change it, I've seen multiple videos with the different perspective - However, I imagine it'd be easier with the perspective in the video 'cos then it's actually possible to line up a good shot.
hit F5 to switch between Isometric view and Topdown view
LOVE the victory music!