I think the problem with Venli's flashbacks is that none of the information in the flashbacks felt necessary. Yes, we get more info about how the void spren worked to bring the everstorm, but we already knew enough that we didn't need those details. Yes, we get a deeper look into her relationship with Eshoni, but there was nothing new. I feel like I had already pieced together everything from her flashbacks before ever readying them. The only redeeming factor was her honesty about her mistakes and motivation, but we basically already get that message in a more compelling way with Dalinar.
@@2ToRamble You'd think he'd have been more on board, since being scary to talk to is one of Jasnah's signature traits. 😉😂 Edit: Oh, and yes it does help, actually. 🙂Also, I enjoy that you are so responsive to your commenters, so thank you for that! Always lifts my mood a bit. 😄
I know this was mentioned in part 1... but the audiobooks provide a good guide for name pronunciation. Not an easy task on its own. Credit given for leaning into it with confidence either way.
I was hoping so desperately for ehlokar not to be dead. Felt like his redemption arc was cut so short and ya it was shocking and wild which was okay. But I wish there was something more like maybe shallans lightweaving drawing of him could’ve done something cool in the final battle like maybe he has a bit more strength then the other lightweavings and Navani could’ve had some better closure seeing her son as a true king. And strengthening the relationship with shallan
Great time watching this! It’s fun both agreeing and disagreeing with you two. Got to say, Pattern deserves way more love. 4.5 at a minimum. And others have said, read Dawnshard, then re-rank Rysn and THE Lopen. Only fair since you read Edgedancer for Lift!
I think there is more to Tien than just being nice. all we got about him is from Kaladins point of view. I also read this theory that the stones he collected looked so special to him because he is better at seeing colours and patterns than most people, hinting at him being a lightweaver, like Shallan.
Are you and Richard gonna be reading the weekly chapters from book 5? They are starting the 27th and it would be really cool to have a monthly episode on the 4 chapters released that month 👀
@@damnboy2.047 oh they are going to release a chapter every week digitally on a website I believe, I can't remember which one but it's on Sanderson's YT channel. Also if you want any recs I can supply :) fantasy is so fun!
I have to say, i completely disagree with Venli. I loved her story and thought she was a great character with her redemption arc and struggling. And dealing with being the "last" of her people. Really enjoyed her, tier 4 character for me. I get all the points about Eshonai being more interesting / the wrong character to die, however I am a sucker for the story of someone who isn't/wasn't meant to be the hero being forced to be one. I do think the flashbacks could have been someone else as well, maybe from the Parshendi pov I'd have liked Rlain's. But I also think there aren't really that many characters who at this point could be full on flashback-characters in terms of the story.
My 5 star characters are probably: Kaladin, Dalinar, Szeth, Adolin, Taravangian, Jasnah. Least favorite characters: Navani, Lift. Ranking the rest would be too tedious so that’s what I’m going to go with😂
"The Jay Z song was on" refers to Izzo. "That's the anthem, getcha damn hands up", then she says "So I put my hands up". Miley's song came out before Empire State of Mind, I think
Dalinar, more so Adolin, are really good, but Kaladin will always be, for me, 'next level of perfect; immaculate conception' ( 19:19 ) 😂 Haven't read Rhythm of War yet, but whatever Sanderson does to his character in book 5... I just hope he does not destroy my favourite. Have really enjoyed both parts, even if tier ranking isn't your favourite and kicking Lirin off was hilarious 😂 Thank you for the videos.
I am just choosing not to judge on the fetishes, more power to you guys 🤣🤣 And yes, Adolin is objectively the goodest, bestest boi ever. I mean, talk about golden retriever energy!!
Wow, this episode was chock-full of blackmail material. I'm writing all of this down for later... Also, my 5 stars would be Dalinar, Kaladin, Taravangion, and Adolin. My Lirin tiers are Lirin and Lift (I highly disagree with her being fun. I just find her annoying. She drives me up a wall) Episode Rating: Overall: 4 Emotional Impact: 4.25 Thought-provokingness: 3 Characters: 5 Plot: 3.25 Worldbuilding: 3 Prose: 4 P.S. I can't believe you guys didn't plug your patreon this episode
I already knew I would disagree with most of what you said because you're Dalinar fanboys and I hate him. Great character and is perfectly written. Still hate him. I knew you'd rate Shallan lower than what her character deserves...it always fascinates me how, mostly guys, would rave about Kaladin's ARC (which I love too) but dislike Shallan's because they didn't like her in book 1. She was "boring" or "annoying". I think I can guess why there is a difference. When, especially after WOR, her behaviour couldn't make more sense and she's one of the best characters Sanderson has written. Period. But Elhokar as 5 starts...not even his mother cared enough to mourn him for more than 5 minutes while she almost went catatonic thinking Jasnah was dead. Says it all. At least you aren't like those who hate Adolin because they don't understand his character at all so one cookie point for that.
My top probably will be: Kaladin, Szeth, Wit, Syl, Rock. Hard not to include Adolin, Pattern, Shallan and other amazing characters, but I had to stop somewhere.. Still can’t forgive Dalinar for what he’d done, but ok, he’ll get my honorable mention😂
Elokar’s best part is his death. I like the character but 5 stars is a stretch.. shallan, wit, syl, flashback dalinar, and pattern probably my top 5 but hey we all have opinions.. P.s Szeth should be way higher as well
Szeth is never threatening, which results in him being kinda boring. He never killed anyone the reader cares about during his antagonist arc. Which means he just claps some random guys (offscreen for the most part) and the first time he interacts with any real characters he gets stopped by a Kaladin who is obviously not used to his magic super powers.
kals dead arm should’ve lasted longer in my opinion, and maybe dalinar or some other major character should’ve also had a killed limb to give szeth sone more gravity
I feel like I'm in the minority but I liked Shallan in book one and disliked her in all the rest. I simply dislike the Radiant and Veil plot and think it's poorly done. I feel like they only come out when Shallan is about to reveal something but then no, Radiant showed up and stopped her from revealing something interesting. She's so frustrating to read for me. I can feel Sanderson manipulating them to fit the plot and it doesn't seem natural. Her backstory was also the weakest for me as I predicted the stuff with her dad and mom in book one. I could see that making her character pop but there are so many references in book one that I figured it quickly. Also I don't care about the Ghostbloods, they are my least favorite faction in Stornmlight so her plot just keeps taking L's for me. Shallan does have some amazing scenes thought that almost bring me to tears and that's why it's so frustrating to read for me. When we get actual Shallan, I like it. When Radiant and Veil show up I lose interest so quickly. She got better in Rhythm of War so I'm excited to see where she goes in Wind and Truth. Agreed on Adolin being best boy. He's the perfect support character that has everyone's back. He's the best.
@@2ToRamble I dislike that her entire character rests on the fact that she repressed her memories and recovers them as the book go along. She doesn't know she killed her father or mother because the plot demands she doesn't remember in order to have a twist. The multiple personalities are a thing in the plot that stops Shallan from knowing the truth. I get that's the point of her mental struggle, it just doesn't work for me as it seems Sanderson is only doing it for plot convenience. His exploration of multiple personalities is surface level to me and doesn't seem to exist for any reason than to make Shallan an unreliable narrator in order to have plot twists in the story. I 100% believe that Shallan's mom is a herald because why not have Shallan conveniently repress this important detail of her life? Why not have Shallan forget all the interesting things about her life so that we get a cool plot reveal later? That's how it feels when I read her chapters. It's so frustrating for me.
@@DoNotLookDown Very much see your point, I do enjoy that aspect and Im sure Rich does too -- hopefully book 5 plays out in a less frustrating way for ya, I find it really interesting how her character develops with these new revelations
@@DoNotLookDown Shallan most likely doesn't know that her mother is a herald because she was so young. And her mother has no reason to reveal her identity imo
saying Adolins name as Add-olin is horrific Ay-dolin like Hey Edit: AND AZURE... Azure is a real word for a blue, sky like color. Please take out the "H" sound.
Tyn is one of MY least favorite characters. She doesn’t listen at all and is just there to say, “being a con person is fun!” She sounds like a cardboard cutout to me in every scene she’s in.
Fully agreed! Love her! She is one of my top seven characters (with Kaladin, Rlain, Renarin, Syl, Rock and Lift). And I also like Lirin and don't like Dalinar, so I think I don't suit here, 😂
Don’t ever rank SA again 😭 you start off with saying we’re gonna rank them based on writing and give, two of most complicated side characters the lowest ratings. And the audacity to put Elokhar on the level of Kaladin. I love you guys, but man this is your first bad take.
I’m so excited for the Kaladin and Szeth / Nightblood buddy cop story arc in book five
I had no clue Richard was such a big fan of animals
Lift calls it her awesomeness
The furry/speech impediment debate was something I never knew I needed.
Adolin is the golden retriever of Stormlight.
Oh yes
9:16 - 13:36
A moment of silence for the minutes Best Boy got forgotten in favour of fetishes 😭😂
I need one of these for Mistborn, or a general review of the books, it's just so good as well
If Austin(SUPPOSED MEGA BRANDON SANDERSON SUPERFAN???) ever reads the books… 😏
😂 Im getting there lol
@@2ToRamble you just made my day :)
"Awesomeness". She calls it her awesomeness. Lift's fun.
I think the problem with Venli's flashbacks is that none of the information in the flashbacks felt necessary. Yes, we get more info about how the void spren worked to bring the everstorm, but we already knew enough that we didn't need those details. Yes, we get a deeper look into her relationship with Eshoni, but there was nothing new. I feel like I had already pieced together everything from her flashbacks before ever readying them. The only redeeming factor was her honesty about her mistakes and motivation, but we basically already get that message in a more compelling way with Dalinar.
Excellent point
Y'all did my girl Jasnah dirty with that 3.5. 😭 (She's a 4 at minimum, in my mind. Love her.)
If it helps I think Id give her a 4 as well if Rich wasnt so scary to talk to
@@2ToRamble You'd think he'd have been more on board, since being scary to talk to is one of Jasnah's signature traits. 😉😂
Edit: Oh, and yes it does help, actually. 🙂Also, I enjoy that you are so responsive to your commenters, so thank you for that! Always lifts my mood a bit. 😄
@@Amanda_D :D anytime! Im glad it lifts your mood!!
I know this was mentioned in part 1... but the audiobooks provide a good guide for name pronunciation. Not an easy task on its own. Credit given for leaning into it with confidence either way.
Go to 19:14 if you want to hear immaculate Dalinar glazing( i love it btw)
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I was hoping so desperately for ehlokar not to be dead. Felt like his redemption arc was cut so short and ya it was shocking and wild which was okay. But I wish there was something more like maybe shallans lightweaving drawing of him could’ve done something cool in the final battle like maybe he has a bit more strength then the other lightweavings and Navani could’ve had some better closure seeing her son as a true king. And strengthening the relationship with shallan
Rich : You know, best girl
Austin: Yeah yea. Like a little dog? ☠
😭😂😂 words are hard
35:50 you are thinking of the Nightwatcher, which is not an unmade it’s an avatar of cultivation
5: Wit, Shallan, Navani, Syl
4.5: Kaladin, Dalinar, Jasnah, Taravangian
4: Lift, Renarin, Szeth, Venli, Lopen
3.5: Rock, Rysn, Torol Sadeas
3: Adolin, Eshonai
2.5: Teft, Rlain, Moash
2: Lirin
Shallan above your entire 4.5 list is blasphemy. Wit plus your 4.5 is the A team of Stormlight.
Great time watching this!
It’s fun both agreeing and disagreeing with you two. Got to say, Pattern deserves way more love. 4.5 at a minimum.
And others have said, read Dawnshard, then re-rank Rysn and THE Lopen. Only fair since you read Edgedancer for Lift!
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I think there is more to Tien than just being nice. all we got about him is from Kaladins point of view. I also read this theory that the stones he collected looked so special to him because he is better at seeing colours and patterns than most people, hinting at him being a lightweaver, like Shallan.
I always thought something was up with Tien because of how much attention Sanderson gave to him and his rocks. I like this theory
Richard only dislikes Szeth because he’s hairless 🤭
Finally soemone said it
No mention of the awesome szeth training montage in oathbringer?
Y’all should do a red rising character tier list next
Ooo
Added this to the vid ideas!
Are you and Richard gonna be reading the weekly chapters from book 5? They are starting the 27th and it would be really cool to have a monthly episode on the 4 chapters released that month 👀
Rich and I are teetering with this one - we’re gonna talk it out!
@@2ToRamble nice 👍 and don't forget to totter
@@DooveWritespretty new fantasy reader, what does this mean are they getting released weekly all the way?
@@damnboy2.047 oh they are going to release a chapter every week digitally on a website I believe, I can't remember which one but it's on Sanderson's YT channel. Also if you want any recs I can supply :) fantasy is so fun!
Pattern got robbed! Easy 5 tier. He's the true best boy, and I am a huge Adolin stan myself. But Pattern is just full-on golden retriever spren.
I have to say, i completely disagree with Venli. I loved her story and thought she was a great character with her redemption arc and struggling. And dealing with being the "last" of her people. Really enjoyed her, tier 4 character for me. I get all the points about Eshonai being more interesting / the wrong character to die, however I am a sucker for the story of someone who isn't/wasn't meant to be the hero being forced to be one. I do think the flashbacks could have been someone else as well, maybe from the Parshendi pov I'd have liked Rlain's. But I also think there aren't really that many characters who at this point could be full on flashback-characters in terms of the story.
awesome video! I think i need to re-read stromlight!
Since they talk about page time a lot
Book 6 - Lift
Book 7 - Renarin
Book 8 - Ash
Book 9 - Taln
Book 10 - Jasnah
those are the pov plans so far
My 5 star characters are probably: Kaladin, Dalinar, Szeth, Adolin, Taravangian, Jasnah.
Least favorite characters: Navani, Lift.
Ranking the rest would be too tedious so that’s what I’m going to go with😂
You must be hyped for more Szeth in book 5 - I (austin) am very, very excited to see more of his backstory
@@2ToRamble oh you have no idea. I’ve been waiting for so freaking long for more Szeth. So freaking pumped for this book!!!
"The Jay Z song was on" refers to Izzo. "That's the anthem, getcha damn hands up", then she says "So I put my hands up". Miley's song came out before Empire State of Mind, I think
Dalinar, more so Adolin, are really good, but Kaladin will always be, for me, 'next level of perfect; immaculate conception' ( 19:19 ) 😂 Haven't read Rhythm of War yet, but whatever Sanderson does to his character in book 5... I just hope he does not destroy my favourite. Have really enjoyed both parts, even if tier ranking isn't your favourite and kicking Lirin off was hilarious 😂 Thank you for the videos.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed!
I am just choosing not to judge on the fetishes, more power to you guys 🤣🤣
And yes, Adolin is objectively the goodest, bestest boi ever. I mean, talk about golden retriever energy!!
You guys would both make some very (as you say) “on presence” characters were you to be in a book 😆
I love the new set but with all the close up shots u should position the stormlight figure to one of your sides
Good feedback - but we do rly like it in the center there, though behind our heads would feauture it a ton more
This makes me strangely secure about my stutter
Damn right
What a perfect upload time
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Zeath has a relationship with night blood!
Imagine the new zootopia movie where it's a pretty protagonist with the a speech impediment. It's over for the both of you lol
I’m afraid to say it but Adolin gonna bite the dust and it’s gonna destroy Kaladin in book 5 🥲
Lift calls her power "awesomeness"
Wow, this episode was chock-full of blackmail material. I'm writing all of this down for later...
Also, my 5 stars would be Dalinar, Kaladin, Taravangion, and Adolin.
My Lirin tiers are Lirin and Lift (I highly disagree with her being fun. I just find her annoying. She drives me up a wall)
Episode Rating:
Overall: 4
Emotional Impact: 4.25
Thought-provokingness: 3
Characters: 5
Plot: 3.25
Worldbuilding: 3
Prose: 4
P.S. I can't believe you guys didn't plug your patreon this episode
Cant believe we forgot to either. We’re usually so greedy, Im ashamed we lost our way temporarily
Also those are some great 5 star picks
Oh my god this episode was hilarious
Idk how I’m just now thinking of this but I wonder what’s gonna happen with moash now that there’s a new odium??
Right - I imagine Taravangian will use him to his advantage
As someone who has a lisp I appreciate the glaze towards people with lisps
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I was surprised when y'all put The Lopen in 3, but AUDACITY to put Shallan and Jasnah so low AND BELOW Navani. 😭
Navani is amazing 😂 (in hindsight Jasnah deserves a bump higher, but this is austin commenting)
I already knew I would disagree with most of what you said because you're Dalinar fanboys and I hate him. Great character and is perfectly written. Still hate him. I knew you'd rate Shallan lower than what her character deserves...it always fascinates me how, mostly guys, would rave about Kaladin's ARC (which I love too) but dislike Shallan's because they didn't like her in book 1. She was "boring" or "annoying". I think I can guess why there is a difference. When, especially after WOR, her behaviour couldn't make more sense and she's one of the best characters Sanderson has written. Period.
But Elhokar as 5 starts...not even his mother cared enough to mourn him for more than 5 minutes while she almost went catatonic thinking Jasnah was dead. Says it all.
At least you aren't like those who hate Adolin because they don't understand his character at all so one cookie point for that.
Did you just critique their bias while blatantly spouting your own?🤣🤣
Shallan not being at least 4.5 is crazy
Totally agree.
So crazy
YES
Not really
My top probably will be: Kaladin, Szeth, Wit, Syl, Rock.
Hard not to include Adolin, Pattern, Shallan and other amazing characters, but I had to stop somewhere..
Still can’t forgive Dalinar for what he’d done, but ok, he’ll get my honorable mention😂
Genuinely shocked with your Szeth rating
These are some good picks
I hate how they say Adolin lol. Cause it's ingrained in my head differently lol
Elokar’s best part is his death. I like the character but 5 stars is a stretch.. shallan, wit, syl, flashback dalinar, and pattern probably my top 5 but hey we all have opinions..
P.s Szeth should be way higher as well
Also, shallan is my favorite. Shallan is bae!
awethome video
Thank you!!
Szeth is never threatening, which results in him being kinda boring. He never killed anyone the reader cares about during his antagonist arc. Which means he just claps some random guys (offscreen for the most part) and the first time he interacts with any real characters he gets stopped by a Kaladin who is obviously not used to his magic super powers.
kals dead arm should’ve lasted longer in my opinion, and maybe dalinar or some other major character should’ve also had a killed limb to give szeth sone more gravity
@@acurlyboi2944 I agree. Maybe he becomes more interesting with 400 pages of backstory in book 5
Justice for Rysn
Its Jasnah with a J and im never conforming
Yep! Yasnah just sounds awful
Eshonai was the best of the Parshendi. Gone way too soon. Venli doesn’t fill the shoes.
100% agreed
To people who enjoyed Shallan's flashbacks, how? We learn next to nothing new about her, and they don't add anything to her character.
I get understand the struggle, but this is the internet, so... Empire of Silence?
First book of the Sun Eater Saga
Sebarial is the best character in all of Stormlight Archive
where's dabid?
Shoot we missed him
I feel like I'm in the minority but I liked Shallan in book one and disliked her in all the rest. I simply dislike the Radiant and Veil plot and think it's poorly done. I feel like they only come out when Shallan is about to reveal something but then no, Radiant showed up and stopped her from revealing something interesting. She's so frustrating to read for me. I can feel Sanderson manipulating them to fit the plot and it doesn't seem natural. Her backstory was also the weakest for me as I predicted the stuff with her dad and mom in book one. I could see that making her character pop but there are so many references in book one that I figured it quickly. Also I don't care about the Ghostbloods, they are my least favorite faction in Stornmlight so her plot just keeps taking L's for me. Shallan does have some amazing scenes thought that almost bring me to tears and that's why it's so frustrating to read for me. When we get actual Shallan, I like it. When Radiant and Veil show up I lose interest so quickly. She got better in Rhythm of War so I'm excited to see where she goes in Wind and Truth. Agreed on Adolin being best boy. He's the perfect support character that has everyone's back. He's the best.
Interesting take! You’re not a fan of the multiple-personality aspext/exploration I take it?
@@2ToRamble I dislike that her entire character rests on the fact that she repressed her memories and recovers them as the book go along. She doesn't know she killed her father or mother because the plot demands she doesn't remember in order to have a twist. The multiple personalities are a thing in the plot that stops Shallan from knowing the truth. I get that's the point of her mental struggle, it just doesn't work for me as it seems Sanderson is only doing it for plot convenience. His exploration of multiple personalities is surface level to me and doesn't seem to exist for any reason than to make Shallan an unreliable narrator in order to have plot twists in the story. I 100% believe that Shallan's mom is a herald because why not have Shallan conveniently repress this important detail of her life? Why not have Shallan forget all the interesting things about her life so that we get a cool plot reveal later? That's how it feels when I read her chapters. It's so frustrating for me.
@@DoNotLookDown Very much see your point, I do enjoy that aspect and Im sure Rich does too -- hopefully book 5 plays out in a less frustrating way for ya, I find it really interesting how her character develops with these new revelations
@@DoNotLookDown Shallan most likely doesn't know that her mother is a herald because she was so young. And her mother has no reason to reveal her identity imo
A Furry huh? Hmm..What did you say about the talking animals trope again in that one video?
😂😂
I think you forgot to rank stick
Damnit
saying Adolins name as Add-olin is horrific
Ay-dolin like Hey
Edit:
AND AZURE... Azure is a real word for a blue, sky like color. Please take out the "H" sound.
Szeth and nightblood will be a 6
Richard be pompus af
Yeah, it's great lol
Correct, my good sir - R
Tyn is one of MY least favorite characters. She doesn’t listen at all and is just there to say, “being a con person is fun!” She sounds like a cardboard cutout to me in every scene she’s in.
Moash #1😂
FBI, we found the suspect
I'm begging you guys to ask me how names are pronounced before you do these videos, also I've been to Richards house I can confirm hes a closet furry.
Richard-son-son-2ramble, Truthless of Shinovar, wore a cat tail on the day he was to kill a king.
@cooperlacasse2350 hey coop hope you’re having a wonderful day!
@@andrewnewman02 peepeepoopoo
Venli was the best part of Rhythm of War 😤
We are shocked and appalled, but accept these words
How can you be so loudly wrong
Fully agreed! Love her! She is one of my top seven characters (with Kaladin, Rlain, Renarin, Syl, Rock and Lift). And I also like Lirin and don't like Dalinar, so I think I don't suit here, 😂
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First!
Adolin being above kaladin is wiild. Also wanting to put elhikar above kal is insane as well 🥸
Ill defend it 😮💨
Don’t ever rank SA again 😭 you start off with saying we’re gonna rank them based on writing and give, two of most complicated side characters the lowest ratings. And the audacity to put Elokhar on the level of Kaladin. I love you guys, but man this is your first bad take.
We love Elhokar 😁 - his arc to us was 🤌
Who are your 5 star characters and which 2 side characters are you thinking about?