I think like Nick said, if writers are open and honest with their mental health and their struggles, readers are in general more forgiving and understanding. It's the aggression towards the readers that I find so disturbing.
If you’re a fan of Golden Sun from the Red Rising series, you absolutely need to check out the Sun Eater series. In my opinion, it’s the best modern sci-fi series out there right now. I highly recommend it to all Red Rising fans, especially those who loved book 2. Trust me, you won’t be disappointed!
I remember a video from Noodle that came out a couple years ago about the gaming industry and the nature of crunch culture in the industry, and just how Nutty it could get. In it he had some developers give interviews about the nature of the market behind gaming and just how impatient that market could get when talking about games, and that developers had to give a hard release date just to satiate that market, and if they had to delay then the backlash they would get would be pretty nutty. I feel when it comes to Martin, Lynch and Rothfuss, the book reading market seems to show a bit more patience when it comes to future releases of their series. There are exceptions of course, toxicity online seems to be everywhere, but as a general sense, it seems that book readers have more patience for the artist to do their work as compared to Video Games, and maybe this allows the author to feel safer for them to take enough time to make a product that they're happy with? (Although I could absolutely be wrong). Is it possible though, between the discourse around Rothfuss and Martin, along with other authors as well, that the discourse could be taken as proof that the book industry is slowly going more into the direction of the gaming industry in that regard? I'm thinking this especially with authors needing to have more and more of a presence on-line, and internet patience seems to always revert to running thin instead of actually having patience, and this is having a knock on effect on how we wait for books and the authors making them? Especially if we compare writers like Rothfuss/Martin with other authors like Sanderson and Maas, who are putting out books like crazy ( and props to them, but the nature of comparison I think requires the thought) that as the reading community is shifting more and more on-line that our expectations for how long is reasonable to wait for a book to being shorter and shorter than it had been before. I know my mom and dad never heard about books they were excited for from the internet at all, and they were just pleasantly surprised when they saw a book a part of their series on the book shelf, regardless of how many years they waited for that new book. Just an interesting thought. Here's a link to the Noodle video if you want to look at it. It changed my perspective on how I look at gaming. th-cam.com/video/aS3-iSEwNhs/w-d-xo.html. Side note, I'm still bitter about Richard calling noodles and pasta the same thing.
Thabk you for the video link and thoughts on that - putting that into my watch later. Also yes, Rich should be ashamed, cant believe I didnt yell at him for that
Honestly, this seems spot on to me, even in my own life. I remember when I first read The Way of Kings. I was 15, didn't watch YT or much TV, and I devoured it in 5 days. Now I'm regularly watching YT and scrolling the Internet, and I've noticed that my reading speed and patience have decreased. It takes me twice as long to read a book half the size of TWoK. I think that as I spent more time online, the more I became used to the instant gratification, which books don't really provide. So, if our patience for reading decreases the more time online we spend, our patience for waiting on books likely will as well. Just a thought 🤷♂️
I stopped watching Daniel Greene recently who used to be my favourite booktuber and luckily for me I had found you guys not long before and I am so glad I found your channel!
It's like you guys have been reading the book on storytelling I'm writing and haven't published yet 😅 *My General Definition You Guys Basically Covered* "Writers owe a reader only the genuine intention to reward the reader for reading, by regularly paying off the story they promised. The reader owes the writer nothing in terms of whether they pick the book up, but upon opening the story and reading it, they agree at the very least to suspend disbelief as long as they feel it is rewarding to do so, and are entitled to express how they feel as a result of those payoffs failing or succeeding." And i cant explain how good it feels to hear you people say the stuff I say about storytelling: integrity, rewarding, investment, lessons, profound emotions, depth, humour, consequences, meaning! Any of these can be 'rewarding reading' and the goal is that exchange. Writers job is to give reader an experience the reader wants enough to keep reading. And readers job is to give that experience the best chance and thats about it, if you're lucky they'll be open and honest about whether the experience hit or didnt hit. It's a mutual risk of Writer Promises To Share An (Fictional?) Experience, Reader Volunteers To Patiently Experience It. *P.S. Piranesi* I also want to add I'm reading Piranesi based on the video you guys did (it helps that its only 245 pages and has gold trim and won an award). Already at pg 50 and loving it; like you said with Pratchett, this opened my eyes to prose - i learned from HP to pretty much skim description and prose and generally struggle with detail-orientated books, but the prose is so vivid! I'm just soaking in the world and wondering whats going on. I've been taking notes, I'll probably put my thoughts under your review once I've finished. I plan to finish it in the next few days because I'm going on a holiday and want to watch your spoiler section before I go 😆
@IcePrinceYuki1 yeah he definitely owes that to those people. Real shitty of him to not have released it. It doesn't affect me personally but I can't say its a good look.
Kings of the Wyld definitely is not my type of book, but Mr. Eames seems like a friendly guy. I hope he continues to publish great books that I will likely never read! 😊 PS. You should read Abercrombie and then interview him on character writing. Haven't read his books yet, but I've watched interviews with him, and the man is a literal genius! Also, he's absolutely hilarious.
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Man this is a weird coincidence i was literally reading kings of the wyld when this notification popped up.
SAME
Austin crafted some seriously good questions for this one!
Thanks so much!
I think like Nick said, if writers are open and honest with their mental health and their struggles, readers are in general more forgiving and understanding. It's the aggression towards the readers that I find so disturbing.
I 5-starred both Eames books. Kings of the Wyld and Bloody Rose were both fantastic reads. Thanks Nicholas, for the great stories!
Absolutely loved the video. Always a treat when an author gets to provide the behind the scenes and context to things that are implied in the text.
I really want to say thank you guys!
❤
Alway fun to watch an episode.
Makes my day.😊
❤️
Loved the interview, one of those books I wanna get to but haven’t. Love his insight and authenticity
What a cool dude. I gotta get to these books.
If you’re a fan of Golden Sun from the Red Rising series, you absolutely need to check out the Sun Eater series. In my opinion, it’s the best modern sci-fi series out there right now. I highly recommend it to all Red Rising fans, especially those who loved book 2. Trust me, you won’t be disappointed!
We reviewed book 1 on the channel! Going to continue
I remember a video from Noodle that came out a couple years ago about the gaming industry and the nature of crunch culture in the industry, and just how Nutty it could get. In it he had some developers give interviews about the nature of the market behind gaming and just how impatient that market could get when talking about games, and that developers had to give a hard release date just to satiate that market, and if they had to delay then the backlash they would get would be pretty nutty. I feel when it comes to Martin, Lynch and Rothfuss, the book reading market seems to show a bit more patience when it comes to future releases of their series. There are exceptions of course, toxicity online seems to be everywhere, but as a general sense, it seems that book readers have more patience for the artist to do their work as compared to Video Games, and maybe this allows the author to feel safer for them to take enough time to make a product that they're happy with? (Although I could absolutely be wrong).
Is it possible though, between the discourse around Rothfuss and Martin, along with other authors as well, that the discourse could be taken as proof that the book industry is slowly going more into the direction of the gaming industry in that regard? I'm thinking this especially with authors needing to have more and more of a presence on-line, and internet patience seems to always revert to running thin instead of actually having patience, and this is having a knock on effect on how we wait for books and the authors making them? Especially if we compare writers like Rothfuss/Martin with other authors like Sanderson and Maas, who are putting out books like crazy ( and props to them, but the nature of comparison I think requires the thought) that as the reading community is shifting more and more on-line that our expectations for how long is reasonable to wait for a book to being shorter and shorter than it had been before. I know my mom and dad never heard about books they were excited for from the internet at all, and they were just pleasantly surprised when they saw a book a part of their series on the book shelf, regardless of how many years they waited for that new book.
Just an interesting thought. Here's a link to the Noodle video if you want to look at it. It changed my perspective on how I look at gaming. th-cam.com/video/aS3-iSEwNhs/w-d-xo.html.
Side note, I'm still bitter about Richard calling noodles and pasta the same thing.
Thabk you for the video link and thoughts on that - putting that into my watch later. Also yes, Rich should be ashamed, cant believe I didnt yell at him for that
Honestly, this seems spot on to me, even in my own life. I remember when I first read The Way of Kings. I was 15, didn't watch YT or much TV, and I devoured it in 5 days. Now I'm regularly watching YT and scrolling the Internet, and I've noticed that my reading speed and patience have decreased. It takes me twice as long to read a book half the size of TWoK. I think that as I spent more time online, the more I became used to the instant gratification, which books don't really provide. So, if our patience for reading decreases the more time online we spend, our patience for waiting on books likely will as well. Just a thought 🤷♂️
Kings of the Wyld has been on my shelf for a year now, I think it would be a good palate cleanser after The Prince of Nothing...
Drop everything and READ IT. It is so DAMN GOOD!!!
I stopped watching Daniel Greene recently who used to be my favourite booktuber and luckily for me I had found you guys not long before and I am so glad I found your channel!
I loved kings of the wild
Wow, nice quality Displate ad.
Richard, you’ve read Between Two Fires?? That’s one of my favorite books!! Can’t wait to read more from that author!!
Saw kings of the wyld in a bookstore yesterday, bought Good Omens instead but i think i will grab it next time
Fantastic!
Damn it is crazy how much Guy Gavriel Kay gets hyped by other authors 😂 He really is the fantasy authors that fantasy authors look up to.
KOTW AND BR are the books that got me into fantasy reading.
Well, Chipotle is pretty darned good! If they’d have said Burger King, that would’ve been an insult.
It's like you guys have been reading the book on storytelling I'm writing and haven't published yet 😅
*My General Definition You Guys Basically Covered*
"Writers owe a reader only the genuine intention to reward the reader for reading, by regularly paying off the story they promised. The reader owes the writer nothing in terms of whether they pick the book up, but upon opening the story and reading it, they agree at the very least to suspend disbelief as long as they feel it is rewarding to do so, and are entitled to express how they feel as a result of those payoffs failing or succeeding." And i cant explain how good it feels to hear you people say the stuff I say about storytelling: integrity, rewarding, investment, lessons, profound emotions, depth, humour, consequences, meaning! Any of these can be 'rewarding reading' and the goal is that exchange. Writers job is to give reader an experience the reader wants enough to keep reading. And readers job is to give that experience the best chance and thats about it, if you're lucky they'll be open and honest about whether the experience hit or didnt hit. It's a mutual risk of Writer Promises To Share An (Fictional?) Experience, Reader Volunteers To Patiently Experience It.
*P.S. Piranesi*
I also want to add I'm reading Piranesi based on the video you guys did (it helps that its only 245 pages and has gold trim and won an award). Already at pg 50 and loving it; like you said with Pratchett, this opened my eyes to prose - i learned from HP to pretty much skim description and prose and generally struggle with detail-orientated books, but the prose is so vivid! I'm just soaking in the world and wondering whats going on. I've been taking notes, I'll probably put my thoughts under your review once I've finished. I plan to finish it in the next few days because I'm going on a holiday and want to watch your spoiler section before I go 😆
Well said!! And glad youre loving Piranesi so far!
Great episode
Thanks 😊
Is y’all’s podcast on any other streaming services?
Apple podcasts and spotify
Damn, why this get posted right as I start Kings of the Wyld? Hath fate declared it? 😂
Faith hath called
I dont think Kinds of the Wyld will be for me, Il check it out but the author is awesome so thats great :)
So crazy to hear Eames recommend The Lions of Al-Rassan since I put it up for our book club this month. 🥰
It’s been a few years but it’s very good
I wouldn’t say Patrick rothfuss owes us the book but it sure would be real nice
He owes chapter one for all that money he took...
@@GelidPrinceI can’t claim he owes me that, cause I only read the books after that so never donated
@LuzzyStef he just owes the people who donated.
@IcePrinceYuki1 yeah he definitely owes that to those people. Real shitty of him to not have released it.
It doesn't affect me personally but I can't say its a good look.
@@adoniscreed4031 yeah regardless I just hope he releases the whole book his works are masterpieces
Kings of the Wyld definitely is not my type of book, but Mr. Eames seems like a friendly guy. I hope he continues to publish great books that I will likely never read! 😊
PS. You should read Abercrombie and then interview him on character writing. Haven't read his books yet, but I've watched interviews with him, and the man is a literal genius! Also, he's absolutely hilarious.
We’d love to have him!
completely agree ggk is the goat
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