How 2XKO Will (permanently) Change Fighting Games
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 เม.ย. 2024
- New 2XKO gameplay (project L) is releasing more every week building a lot of hype for the fighting game community (FGC). A lot of people believe 2XKO will arguably change the entire fighting game community and genre forever.. but why? This is the story of how everything that fighting game players know and love about the genre will change forever after the release of 2XKO. With the 2XKO Beta releasing later this year in 2024, and the full release in 2025.. only time will tell. Hopefully we get a new 2XKO trailer soon! The current 2xko roster is ahri, illaoi, jinx, yasuo and more!
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The flash transition hurts the eyes
fighting games will always be niche, not to mention that 2XKO is a tag team game which is even more niche especially for casual players (just look at MK1 right now). For those reasons i dont think 2XKO will reach Valorant or LoL numbers, not even remotely close.
make it a tag game was a really really bad idea
You can opt to use one character
@@jirirbr you cant, is a tag fighter, this is not lol, this not work like that
This comment should be pinned.
@@Berserkito what? The tag aspect is the best part of this game. You can actually play with friends on your team. It's gonna be fun Tryharding with a friend and pushing rank.
"trust me bruh"
street fighter 6 doesn't have an average of 13000 players on average daily. it has 22 000 playing AT THE SAME TIME during peak hours. it is very different from daily players, and this is on steam alone. if you factor in console, it'll be at least double that number.
Well those peak numbers are when the Japanese players are playing at this moment. NA is sleeping at that time. But yeah it'll be more with console players.
@@KevDu67 league doesnt reveal concurrent players tho, of course league is way more popular, theres a huge difference, but he undersold the popularity of sf6, hopefully just accidentally
@@inksword6029 Idk what League has to do with this topic
@@KevDu67 my bad league doesnt have anything to do with the league fighting game and the video never mentioned the popularity and playerbase of league and valorant
Sf6 IS Shit
Tbh, 2xko took elements of multiple good parts of tag fighters games here and there, and made it into one.
The Riot special
I feel like you missed such a big advantage in Riot's netcode. They have so many deals with ISPs to get direct connections. The server-side rollback with Riot's low latency is going to be absolutely amazing for a fighting game. I don't have to worry about someone playing with the neighbor's wifi on peer to peer. :P
Good point!
I do agree that 2XKO will be successful and have an impact on the FGC, but I feel that a good number of details in the vid are off the mark.
From what we seen of the fuse system, it's not going to be entirely changing how one plays the game, the closest is handshake tag.
I do not believe the game is going for a more broad audience, the only indication of that is the fact that there are no special inputs in the game, and only one button specials. The Cannon brothers, the lead developers of 2X, have mentioned this in a roundabout way. "We're not trying to make a game where new players can beat the pros, it's about unlocking the fun at all skill levels". Capcom tried to do this years ago when they were making SFV, but the community had a negative response to this, so much so that years later the Cannon's are making an effort to avoid this, to the point that they are willing to say it clear as day.
A 2v2 game in the style of MvC, Skullgirls, and BBxT are not the easiest to get into, and failing to even mention these games feels like missed opportunity. It's like if someone was describing Valorant and never mentioned CSGO.
I understand your sentiment, and ultimately agree about 2X's impact on the greater FGC, in terms of monetization at the very least, but overall the vid is missing the mark. It's like you looked at all the buzz around the game instead of looking into the game, the FGC, and the industry as a whole.
"Fuse system" sounds like anothet term for the gem system from Tekken X Sf
Bro you deserve a lot more subs! Great video!
Thanks!
My hype for 2kxo has hit peaks and troughs but I think the pricing could be the big thing that sets it apart.
It's gonna be a really hard game, I wonder how many will stick with it
This game sounds amazing!But you’re video about it is even more amazing,I believe❤
Great vid
But one small thing that you said wqs about apex the life line upgrades are on 2 different levels but you structured it as if it was on the same level but that isn't really important much
I am incredibly excited to play more of this game. Playing it at Evo made the wait agonizing. I don't think it's going to shake up the genre as much as you think though. Things will definitely change in some capacity if it's successful, but a lot of what it's doing, other FGs have done in the past.
Free to play, duos, and its netcode are probably the three biggest things it has going for it. F2p and duos have been done in other games like Killer Instinct and Granblue Fantasy Versus Rising while duos have been in MK9, DragonBall Fighterz and Street Fighter X Tekken and they didn't really influence other games in genre in any significant way. I think 2XKO's influence on the FGC and the genre as a whole will come down to how well it does from a sales pov (obviously) and how much of a playerbase it can retain after the honeymoon phase ends. That last part is probably the biggest factor.
Now I await the eventual Vi reveal, cross my fingers that Lee Sin, Talon, Samira, and Fiora follow, and the at home playtests start sooner than later.
saying that LoL has a larger playerbase than sf6 is such a crazy comparison. 2 completely different games and genres where one is an ongoing single entry and another has it's player base still split between multiple entries.
ye some league players will try 2xko but its still a fighting game if they aren't into it before i doubt that large of a group is gonna stick with it.
It's not? In the past month alone, League had 128M monthly active players, 1.3M online at once in the past hour, do you seriously think SF franchise in its entirety has anything remotely close to that? Even if only a tenth of that amount actually sticks to the game (undoubtedly going to be more) SF6 would still pale in comparison.
@@valmiro4164 Wow you did really miss the point lmao. You still compare numbers over TWO DIFFERENT GENRES of game lmao. A MOBA vs a fighting game lmao. Idiot.
@@valmiro4164 Think you”re missing how niche of a genre fighting games really are. This isnt the first league of legends themed game thats been made. Where were those number for the card game? Totally possible the game could keep millions and make fundamentals of fighting games an easier time for new players. Im sure itll be a great game though and hope itll have new fighting game players investing which is really hard to do for a fighting game especially considering how complex they really are.
@@okjuan4037 lmaoooo. You brought up the one genre with possibly the smallest playerbase, the one that requires most of its players to spend money to keep it afloat.
The problem with LoR was they gave all their cards for free, it was so free to play that they even had a limit to how much money you can spend on cards, something the community had to beg them to remove.
And it's not even a problem with the playerbase, at the time of the announcement, it had over 200K ranked accounts.
They didn't completely halt development of that game, they just focused entirely on PVE, the content 80% of its playerbase exclusively plays, and they still have a year's worth of planned content for PVP.
So to answer your question, no, they're not even remotely the same, and the game you're pertaining to isn't even as dead as you're making it out to be.
@@okjuan4037 Not to mention how far off a card game is from a MOBA. The reason League is so much bigger than DOTA is that it allows you to make satisfying plays all on your own, something that overlaps with a fighting game.
just as an fyi valorant characters won't ever come to either 2xko or League because those 2 are seperate universes and interactions have to be kept canon to the world
used to think so but after Legend of Runeterra went to life support mode while hearthstone and marvel snap still going strong make me doubt it
Because they were giving away their cards for free the community even had to beg them to remove the spending limit. It's also an incredibly niche genre that relies heavily on having a large portion of its small playerbase to invest money.
It's quite different the game is too player friendly, I can't believe I'm using this as a negative, that it can't support itself because of giving every cards for free and limits it's players to buy cards with irl money. Skins is good and all but you'll only buy it one time and it's pretty cheap. That's the reason why it's on life support right now but even then they didn't shut down the game but just slowed it down waiting for an opportunity.
Smolder jumpscare lmao
Alright.... I did not expect you to have just 1k Subs. Your editing is VERY impressive for your size. I am actually unsure why Returnytdislike shows a nearly 50-50 like dislike ratio.
I very much enjoyed basically every part of that video, and did not notice any kind of false statements in there. (For example that street fighter player number is accurate, despite some comments saying otherwise) Your comparisons with player numbers... (while i have to admit, comparing SF to LoL numbers does obviously not make much sense) shows the scale difference pretty well.
But i noticed a couple of things while watching the video, that bothered me a bit:
1. Your video seems not 16:9. Idk why, but some parts are cut off.
2. The CRT style effect you use extensively -while stylish and pretty neat- hinders readability quite heavily. I actually got a bit of eye strain, trying to read some of the text at 5:33. Also it blurrs your Video a bit and makes it look (at least to me) lower resolution (Because bitrate suffers).
3. While i am not affected by it, it might be a good idea to put a Epilepsy warning at the beginning, since some of your transitions are quite flashy
I hope this criticism can help you out a bit, since if you keep making videos of this Quality, i forsee a very succesful future for your channel. You earned ur Sub.
when they announced it's a tag game I was really worried tbh and I still have my doubts. it has active switch from blazblue cross tag, and that game was omega cursed. I don't understand how riot approved a tag fighter for its first ever fighting game. I personally dislike tag games, and I'm not a minority in the FGC, especially if it's a game you wanna play regularly. The neutral in these games is pretty unapproachable and obtuse, all tag fighters are harder to learn than 1v1.
It's controls are easier, that's why they added tag mechanics for the ones that wants to play more buttons.
I’ve never been more hyped for a fighting game since the announcement of 2XKO. The last time I heavily got into a fighting game was Injustice 1
Its gonna be a good one for sure!
I dont think it will change fighting games. I mean yeah its free, but I think the balancing of the game is the hard part. If a game doesnt feel balanced thats when people start to drop out. Tekken Revolution was free, people were happy with it but it didn't change much. Only thing I can see carry this game is pretty much the fanbase. But if its got terrible balancing then no. However it does have potential, and I am still somewhat interested. If they listen to the community they could patch the game as they go and it is successful. I generally think fighting games do not do that well these days. With the other genre of games available. Some people want to play strategies, some want to play skill.
Something I respect is the mixup style, so you can play defense or offense. I don't want a 100% aggressive game like Tekken 8
2v2 fighting is definately a selling point, but the lack of purchasing dlc is definately uncommon in the modern fgc landscape (unless you want to bring up Melty Blood: Type Lumina, although its been a while since they last released dlc for the game)
as somoone who has +2000 of hours on league and 700+ on valorant I am really looking forward to this game.
Also I love your videos in the sense that their about video games but in the same style as Magnates Media, James jani and SonnyV2
We play a ton of LoL and Valorant too. Over 1,000 hours in each.
And we appreciate that! we're doing our best to make great content 🙂
I have a headache because your transitions are so flashy qnd bright. You should put a photosensitive epilepsy warning disclaimer at the beginning of the video😅
Noted!
I'm shocked how many detractors there are in the comments, I've been following this game a while and have been eagerly anticipating if it can bring new blood to fighting games. You hit the nail on the head of why the game is set up for success and expanding the FGC. I think the current costly system doesnt work and makes it impossible to get friends into it if they aren't already old school fighting game fans. Plus, its no secret how difficult it is to bring players into a $60 game that really relies on you WANTING to climb a steep learning curve, with only so much content to enjoy. The exciting part is competing and playing with friends with cool characters and fun visuals, this may finally offer that to everyone and expand the scene.
Great points, glad to know someone agrees with us! We can’t wait
the game is free so if it successes others will start to create more and more free to play FG games, i dont know why the people are so bad in the comments but this alone will change the entire FGC
Thank you! We agree, the FGC is pretty die hard and ruthless with threat of a new game shaking up the scene on the horizon. Understandably so, change is scary to most people. But it doesn't have to be!
Never heard of the game but after 18 seconds of watching I know this is a banging video. Editing is already top fucking notch
yeah the sound design in your editing is fantastic. The graphics are also sick
thanks! means a lot 🙂
Tbf this the worst name for any game I've seen in a while
Riot is so free to play friendly that legends of runeterra died because it was so free to play friendly it was losing money. While the game itself was good until the end
smolder?
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2XKO could change everything because its fun, competitive, easy to pick for new players but has high skill ceiling for pros, is free to play so has a high chance to stick with a huge number of people and if that happens, new fighting games will have to adapt in order to attempt to get back a slice of the audience. All i can say is, eyes on this game, whether it succedes or fails is going to be important for the future of the fgc
I feel your missing the bigger picture with this. Yes the game will succeed but sales don't equal to impact on the FGC. MK is considered the highest selling fighting game series out there yet at majors like EVO you won't see it make it to sunday a majority of the time. Instead you'll have games like Tekken, Street Fighter, and Guilty Gear. A majority of the time Street Fighter is held as the last game of the night because it always reaches the most entrants. Yet in Evo 2022, Street Fighter V didn't get that honor and instead lost the final game spot to Guilty Gear Strive, a game that has only sold 2.5 million copies compared to a game that has sold 7.4 million and coming back to mortal kombat where MK11 has sold 15 million copies.
2XKO will sell like crazy but how many of those playing the game will show up to a local tournament as well? For street fighter 6 the game sold 3 million copies in 7 months yet Evo only had 7,061 players for SF6 (3 months post launch). I don't think it's going to create that big of an impact, at the very least it will turn some players who tried out 2XKO in wanting to try other fighting games and becoming hooked. The same way that Super Smash Bros did where everyone mostly played that game, wanted to see what else is there, then never left the scene.
A lot of the top players will swap to this game, it will have a huge knock on effect on the FGC, the prize pools and team sponserships riot will put behind this will be huge, look at how big league and valorant are as an Esport, that's the backing this game will have. And a lot of people that play league will absolutely try this game, look at things like TFT using the league of legends brand, that has a huugeee playerbase now as well.
@@Benji567891 You mean a lot of top players will try this game. Much like everyone did with SF6 to try the game out and get the million a bunch of top players then went back to their own game after that trying period. (Even SonicFox, a well known high level player, played GGST to a grand finals at Evo Online then never touched the game again afterwards).
But my point still stands, this game will sell like crazy which in turn Riot will have all the backing to support the game. But how many of them will show up to a local or a big tournament to play the game still? If anything, this would force more online play as Riot doesn't do offline majors that often and instead invites teams through online matches.
One last point I want to make as well, everything that 2XKO and that Riot is looking to introduce to the scene has already been done. F2P (GBVSR, DOA5:LR), Big Prize Pool (Capcom Cup), No motion inputs (DNF Duel, SF6 Modern). The biggest and main appeal that this game has riding for it is that 2v2 mode which I myself am very excited for and hope that more games pick up that mode in the future. But as it stands, 2XKO is behind the competition and now have to put in new features like replays from UNI2 and Tekken 8 where they tell you how to counter a move in order to match the growing standard we just now received.
so riot saw SFxT and said, lets make it easier (allegedly) and put our name on it, sounds like riot. also as someone who heard the horror stories of how riot treated its organic league tourney scene once they smelt money...not looking good.
You got any good videos about what they did to the scene? First time hearing about this.
why is it similar to sfxt? apart feom being a tag fighter. isnt bbtag a closer example
What horror stories? Care to elaborate? Lmao
@@polar6066 i havent played bbtag so i cant compare it to bbtag, i have played SFxT and from what the video described, it sounds alot like SFxT
@@valmiro4164 so when the game launched it had a pro scene that included multiple organisations hosting tournaments eg mlg,esl,iem and in 2013 riot forbad most of them and in 2016 they all died outside of OGN which hosted the Korean league. then in 2017-2018 another host help co host the LCK and in 2019 riot stopped that too. not to mention the change of how challenger league got change due to franchising. sure horror stories is strong but riot basically cut down its other tournaments that arent held by them
Why out of all characters you hope SMOLDER gets to make it in lmao
He’s a really cool design xdd
This is low-key what's wrong with the Industry people over hyping games. this will not change fighting games it will just be another stable at evo and in the fgc. This is pretty much baseless hyping and will only harm things.
also 2xko is a terrible name. project L was better genuinely.
that being said I am excited to try the game I like leagues characters even if I can't stand LoL itself
It's gonna change because it's going to be the biggest fighting game to ever exist, possibly the only other contender would be a Blizzard fighting game, but I doubt they'd ever make one.
Free to play entry, a easier to get into fighting games for new fighting game players, backed by a massive company that always runs balance changes, wants a massive roster for the game, and being able to play competitive with a friend and combo with the homies? Brother why criticize excitement? There are so many good things coming for it to be hyped for about this game. Hype does no harm, and the game looks better than the name so I'm sure its not harming the integrity of it.
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I’ll stick to Tekken 8
You do realise 2XKO was not started by riot? They bought the devs that made Risng Thunder and worked from there. Obviously they are helling but this game is technically very old
This video is full on hopium but it really isn't realistic to expect millions of people to suddenly start playing fighting games just because Riot developed one. Fighting games are nich genre, and I 2xko might just be kusoge. We won't know until it comes out, but if you make fighting games too "accessable" you run the risk of making something so "easy" that it becomes degenerate and weaker players won't been able to enjoy since it'll be too easy to put together airtight offense.
2XKO started bc Japanese people doesn't play League of Legends ☠
No offense, but this feels like someone from outside the FGC who doesn't fully understand the genre.
I thought 2XKO was gonna be the genre redefining game too, but as gameplay has come out, it's seems like all they are doing is making a good foundation for combat, and no much else to really make it the best big FG. And besides that, SF6 already set a new standard for the genre. 2XKO now has to live up to the gameplay, accessibility, and fun singleplayer aspects of SF6.
To be honest I really hope this pushes more games to follow the game as a service model, I despise season passes
16 characters starting roster? Not looking good. Also game is 1v1, 2v2 is optional mode
You can also go 1 v 2
Pretty sure it's not even confirm how much they're adding to the starting roster. But that is quite normal for fighting games; 16 might be right. Also need to consider how many new characters they'll add per year tho. I know for sure they aren't making 2XKO 2 like any other fighting game series. They'll continue to keep updating the existing 2XKO just like league of legends. In long term that's extremely good for the roster that's worth considering.
2XKO is not a 2v2 game, it is a 1v1 tag fighter. also it is better for it to not be a team game anyway because of the crazy toxicity possible with teammates blaming one another
It can be 1v1, 2v1, or 2v2
People claimed Legends of Runeterra was Hearthstone killer or MTG killer. It's on its route to shutdown with them "refocusing" on PvE content.
Get what you're saying but that's an card game genre. The fighting game genre have many cons to began with like the ridiculous price tag and some net codes being terrible. The card game genre doesn't have as big of an issue that fighting game genre has. Riot will take advantage of that. New card games is not easy to win over people that already pour in many years into their favorite card games already. Yes; you could say that people pour in a lot of years into the fighting games they love but it's the player base that always seems to dwindle that's the problem that will eventually forces them to try other fighting games if they really want to play with actual players. Also that's like the only online game that wasn't successful from Riot. You should also consider TFT being the best auto chess and valorant being successful; not just base on one and only failed game.
Should the amount of dislikes for such a small creator be considered as bullying?
Could we please stop hyping a game most wont pkay after a month?
bro why u put the splash. of the most boring characters like wuking olaf and graças while talking about cool character examples stop pretending like u play league and just say u dont know what the majoroty of popular characters that people are waiting for are
good vid tho
The 2v2 mechanic is probably the biggest game-changer, for some reason no one else has touched the idea of this. dbfz dabbled but it's not a big part of their online functionality. multiversus of course has it, but it's a platform fighter with a different playerbase.
Mk9 literally had this.
It has been done many times, but it is super hard to implement correctly. From a technical point, it needs a perfect connection. From a gameplay perspective, it needs a perfect, instantaneous and super easy way to coordinate, even better than voice signals. I think it can be done, but I don't think it will ever be really tight. Most pro players will prefer the solo experience.
@@ardidsonriente2223 eh, it's not like it requires some pinnacle of technology. we got rollback, no one's attempted to try it with 3+ players but it's not like it's different from a rollback solution with 2 players. anyway the downside of rollback with 3+ players is it being p2p. 2xko is using server-based rollback which basically makes the netcode similar to most fighting games out rn. you don't have to worry about connection to 3 other players, only connection to the server.
Skull girls,tekken tag 1 and 2,mk9 2 there are many 2v2 fighting games.🙄
@@ko17gametime43 I guess I should specify online tag play, which none of the mentioned games have.
2xko isnt changing shit it looks like trash and itll be a miracle if riot doesnt layoff the entire staff before release💀
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