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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มี.ค. 2008
- The Mongol version ending movie for Shogun: Total War - The Mongol Invasion.
I didn't make it.
It's hypothetical, obviously. An alternate future of Japan in which the Kamikaze had not wiped out the invading mongol fleet in 1281. - บันเทิง
"This. Is the province of Japan."
That is a rather chilling way to end the vid, basically saying cause of you, history has changed not just a little bit, but big time.
I wonder how different history would be if the Mongol Empire never fell.
@@theanchorshat585 Horse Racing as a major sport not futbol or rugby or American football ? 😂
@@kaybevang536There's still a Rugby advert in this ending
Mongols defeated Japan leads to a Dark Cyberpunk universe.
And I love it
sounds cool to me
Actually it's cyberpunk in the base game too
Mecha horses and electric bows fuck yeah
Yeah, province of Japan. I wish they made the Mongol a playable faction in the second edition of Shogun Total War.
through the power of modding
the viceroy of japan
People forgot that the samurai clans actually have no allegiance to one another many are loyal to rival clans and only fought for themselves if it weren’t for the storms the samurai stand no chance in truth the mongols and even the Korean And Chinese warriors are actually ordered to be discipline by the mongol and even Turkic and Chinese commanders
Now go play Stainless Steel as the Mongols and start adding the provinces of Germany, Morocco, Turkey, Roma, Italy, Iberia, Francia, Britannia, Poland, Lithuania, Russia, Hungary, Persia, Egypt, Arabia, Ireland, Scandinavia, and Mesopotamia.
Throughout the empire, trade routes and an extensive postal system (yam) were created. Many merchants, messengers and travelers from China, the Middle East and Europe used the system. Genghis Khan also created a national seal, encouraged the use of a written alphabet in Mongolia, and exempted teachers, lawyers, and artists from taxes, although taxes were heavy on all other subjects of the empire.
At the same time, any resistance to Mongol rule was met with massive collective punishment.
This might actually be a better timeline. Asia is unified (the guy said the Empire covers all of Asia), and the Empire lasted hundreds of years, meaning Japan never went on its murderous rampage through China and the Pacific. It also means Mao Zedong never seized power in China.
My first online experience was on total wars shogun, it was brilliant made for the time with superb atmosphere sad of the lack of developers support
Hooowl to all buddies and enemies at the time
Magyar Khan
In reality, the Mongols actually lost so badly both times they invaded. 75% of their troops were lost before the battles, through the storms, and the loses of the Japanese were minimal.
you understand the concept of this video do you?
@@AbrahamLincoln4 what
@bud389
The length gave greater range, which is what it was supposed to do. It is for that same reason that the samurai used to pair their Katana with a Wakizashi for even closer fights.
And again, this is why I said the Katana was great in this instance: It was designed to slice through the leather armor of the mongols. That's it. It was never designed for cutting armor, nor have any professionals claimed it did.
Samurai used the Kanabō against lighter armor, not swords.
The 2 atomic bombs killed about 200,000 people directly, and another 200,000 through radiation over the next decade.
The firebombings of Tokyo, Dresden, and Hamburg caused over 300,000 deaths...and this was with conventional weaponry.
The atomic bombings really aren't much worse when you consider the situation and the total casualty count compared to other events of the war.
Also, note that the allies lost 10x more civilians during WW2...
@bud389
In THIS instance it was. :)
The Katana was actually designed to fight mongols, so in that sense it was a great sword.
@Hjernespreng Yes after their navy was destroyed killing a good portion of their army, Japan lacked good quality metal and manpower both of which the Mongols (really the Chinese at this point) had in vast quantities.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't random cities. They were also two of the major centers for Japanese war production.
And no they were not disabled. Most of their army was still intact, fighting in mainland East Asia.
Did you forget the Okinawa example I mentioned earlier? The Japanese soldiers were outgunned, outmanned, and no had chance of victory. Yet most of them chose to fight to the death and gave grenades to civilians to encourage them in suicide attacks against American soldiers.
@Hjernespreng I guess it was the tachi. And the katana was great for what it was designed to do, that being, a quick weapon to draw and use, although it's length is a severe weakness and it's ability to cut through armor is greatly exaggerated.
Didn’t they have to make the blade a bit heavier then usual ?
A true state is when a girl with a tray of gold in her hands can go from one end of the country to the other without fear for her honor or for her property.
Japan didn't wipe out the Mongols. They were killed by a storm
The empire was governed by a non-democratic parliamentary-style central assembly, called Kurultai, in which the Mongol chiefs met with the Great Khan to discuss domestic and foreign policies.
Genghis also demonstrated a rather liberal and tolerant attitude to the beliefs of others, and never persecuted people on religious grounds.
@Acryingtear All of what I said IS happening at this very moment. I will admit that Northern Ireland has cooled off a bit, but it still occurred very recently (at least 30 years ago).
where can i find this music!
I agree completely D:
@bud389
Nope. When they first invaded Japan, the Katana wasn't even INVENTED yet. What you're talking about is the Tachi, which is a different sword.
The Katana was developed to fix the weaknesses of the Tachi after the first mongol invasion.
Winning one battle does not not justify winning an entire war mind you.
No way this could have happened in real life.
Even with the hypothetical conquest of Japan, the Mongols would have dissolved sometime anyway due to clan factionalism.
Do we today speak of Korea, China and Russia as Mongolian provinces?
I think not.
@Hjernespreng Never said samurai used katana specifically for armored opponents, just thought you were one of those people who thinks that it can cut through plate mail.
LOL....
This is the "PROVINCE" of Japan.
Fucking Great!!!
The only alternative to dropping the atomic bomb would be an Allied and Soviet invasion of Japan. (and you know what the Soviets did in Germany)
The Japanese death toll would've numbered in the millions in the best case scenario, and tens of millions in the worst case scenario.
@UNCEUNCEUNCEUNCEUNCE
And the pouring of molten metal in their prisoners eyes!
@greatunkowableevil you are right on the manpower part, but in the initial battles, the Hojo samurai pushed the hordes back, and decimated an unproportional amount of the enemy. The quality of the steel is negated by the sheer kinetic energy produced by a proper katana swing, which even an imposing mongol would be hard pressed to block. The smaller contact point of the blade is also on the side of Japanese swords.
From what I know, mongol invasions did effected Japan: the economy was low-leveled and there were lot of taxes. Somehow I know these taxes were used by the daiymos and shoguns while innocent beings starved to death....
kamikaze fucking saved Japan's ass
nicheren's power defeated the mongols...
Oh shit 😟
@ImLordRevan Twice. Divine wind indeed.
@bud389
Only kids would argue that they do.
@bilgyynei but dont forget the samourais with there great katan
-Happy End- (or is it?? :p )
@RedTrinitron glad that never happened.
@Hjernespreng Had Kublai not been incredibly unlucky Japan would have fallen simply by force of numbers, You may have the better weaponry but the force that the Mongols could bring if they really started to flex their muscles would outnumber the entire population of Japan.
Killing 300,000 in a war to prevent a battle that would've killed millions. Surely more ethical
Historically speaking,
1. it was pretty certain that Japan wasn't going to surrender peacefully if we didn't drop the bombs.
2. Judging from the defense of Okinawa, the Japanese were willing to fight to the death
3. Casualties from Okinawa was 60k for Allies and 130k+ for the Japanese. Invasion of the Japanese home islands would've been more than 10x greater due to the far larger population density.
u guys really lucky.. Mongolian fleet died in the typhoon.. Fuckn lucky bitchez..
Anyway u got luck guys..
how so?
dude the japanese may not have had much firepower but they have will and loyalty in which that is most importent
Would the entire Samurai class had been destroyed if Mongolia had succeeded?
So your saying the Samurai never engaged the Mongol at Hakata Bay?
Actually both Gengis and Kubli Karn both matained one of the biggest land empire ever, it was only after a seris of weak leaders who followed did the Mongol empire break up.
Surprised you are getting thumbs down over that because it's true. What is left of the mighty Mongol empire? No Parthenon, no Aqueducts, no Great Wall, no Colosseum, no Pyramids....
@junkybabes thats what nicheren chanted for!!! was it coincidence or just luck?... who knows... the original kamikaze...
@greatunknowableevil
I lol'd
The Golden Horde? lol, the grandchildren of greater Khans who broke off and decided to live it up in Europe and leave Asia far behind. Sure thing mister Mongol-Japanese narrator.
Well, I don't see how the inclusion of Japan as a province would have saved the Mongolian empire from eventually falling apart eventually. The Chinese kicked out the Mongols after 90 years, it could be argued that conquering japan would have cemented the Mongolian rule more, but no empire can sustain itself for 700 years without eventually falling apart.
Never said you where apart of Mongolia.
Read the whole tread.
We're talking about whether or not Japan would have kept it's national identity if it was conquered by them.
Oh, I am so sorry, that is not what I meant at all. I mean, in terms of culture shifting, the Chinese where occupied by the Mongols, but that didn't make the Chinese turn outward as a major international *rather then regional* player. The Chinese where tackled from the blindside from the British and the Japanese did NOT see Parry *sp?* coming... all I am saying even IF the Mongols took over Japan, they would *most likely* NOT have been less isolationist then in this history.
If the Japanese were willing to sacrifice their entire army on Okinawa, as well as use thousands of civilians in suicide attacks, it's fairly evident that an invasion of the Japanese home islands would've caused a large chunk of their population to fight to the death.
only because the majority of the Mongol fleet died in the typhoon, which they now call "kamikaze". Only small number of them reached the shores.. So of course they're going to defeat them with their combined forces. In my opinion, that's not a victory to gloat about.
@azmhyr yuan dynasty is rule by the golden horde
Are you saying the Samurai who never fought foreign forces before, and whom only mean in combat was single dueling, would have been victorious against the Mongol, who had conquered majority of Asia and the Middle East, who stood at the front door of Europe, crushed the russians?
Actually Mongols were really strong nation they had really good mounted archers but not best.. Best mounted archers were ours! ^_^
Golden Horde?
The Golden Horde did not invade Japan, the Yuan dynasty did.
this is the province of japan...
@ihavekankles It sounds like he is making a bad techno rap of japanese history
Wales, Scotland and Ireland were conquered by England, now that the UK is a demcarcy they are now confederated states is because England already ruled them, the Mongols could have done the same.
They're confederated states not conquered peoples. They could succeed from the UK if they chose but it's in their best interests to remain part of the group.
well Wales and Scottland is still ruled by england, as is part of Ireland, so its not that laughable.
lolololol
Japan wouldn't be what it is today without the US lending massive amounts of money rebuilding its infrastructure and economy after WW2.
HA! thats like saying the Mongol could never defeat the Teutonic Knight In Europe...
Ha don't act as if Japan doesn't have open Battlefield.
You know little son.
@miguelcotto23 LMAO!!! XD
The person who was talking was a Mongol, and Japan was part of Mongolia.
And if you say that is true, China was still screwed over by the British. Outside invaders did not make the Chinese any less isolationist and xenophobic.
I am *sure* Japanese culture *would* have been different, if the Mongol invasion was successful, but I doubt history on a global level would be all that different.
I have 2 friends from Mongolia and let me tell you the women are so pretty!
I wish I could post pictures of Nergel as proof hahaha
@Grebackis poor---maybe it takes you long time to think a diferent idea?
Like you if you speak mongolian language.
@Hjernespreng No, it wasn't DESIGNED to fight mongols, in fact, when the mongols first invaded japan, their katana's BROKE against the mongols hardened leather, and i believe they did something helped to improve them, but it was still their horse archery that was most effective against the mongols.
it takes a civilized people to rule a civilized land, the longest duration of Mongol rule exists in Russia, where serfs work the lands and are not civilized in any sense. Mongols are a fierce people, but utterly laughable bureaucrats. So to simply put it, the Mongols couldn't have done the same.
Ps, i have nothing personal against Mongols, as a Manchu we are probably more related than any other ethnic groups, but let us be fair and not let our own pride jeopardize the judgment.
@greatunknowableevil
The first invasion failed, as the Mongols sought refuge in their boats during a typhoon right after their initial invasion.
By the second invasion, which was much bigger, The mongols were utterly decimated by a second storm.
Regardless, The Japanese were prepared for the second invasion, which it turns out they didn't need to.
"sheer numbers" isn't enough in warfare, especially not when traveling over the sea into enemy territory.
@spiritclaymore I see your point, but you should work in your grammar and spelling. XD
@MongolPeace you mean a feminine chinese.
Well quite funny but Yuan Ulus attacked japan not Golden Horde....l.
Ha! you know little... Those samurai you speak of have never fought a foreign before, Believed in the way of the bow instead of the sword...
they would have fallen to the great khan.
I am not saying Japan couldn't have been conquered, just saying it wouldn't radically have changed the world in the way video suggests.
Sorry for being anal.
The same happens with all nations, a powerfull leader dies and a weak one replaces him the nation becomes weak again.
You realize that the U.S. government made 500,000 purple heart medals in preparation for the U.S. casualties during the invasion of Japan. We have given these purple hearts to U.S. casualties from other post WWII wars even in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yes we can speculate what the alternative aftermath would be, but I think the actual invasion preparation speaks volumes louder than whatever you claim to be propaganda.
rugby???
@greatunknowableevil
Doesn't matter.
Hell, the japanese DID in fact defeat the mongols' sheer numbers in land warfare.
The jepanese would stilll win this bogus
i dont know if i should find the narrators racist or what but mongolians talk like this ? like cmon
shut the fuck up.
@Acryingtear Actually, it is because Christianity itself is an evangelical religion, much like Islam. They would want to spread their faith to other people (which gives religion a bad name). So, since Christianity spreads its religion, they view other religions as competition, and view theirs as the one true way, like the way Muslims like at their religion. that is why they are afraid of other religions.
This is so out of place for Total War
Did you know that Muslims are the descendants of Ishmael? Ishmael is isaacs brother and son of Abraham. Like I said, stop stereotyping. Whether they be right or wrong, leave it to God. His almighty decision will decide. Be silent.
Im Christian but don't blame them. Leave them be. Whether right or wrong, let God decide. But you must remain friendly. Show peace. Bayarlalaa
and you call yourself a Christian? weaklings like you are what make our great religion look like a joke!
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God.
Before prank shitposting was a thing. Just telling you that this video is blowing up.