I recently found some clips from the Shogun Total War pc game, being a Total War fan I had to upload them. If anyone has any questions about the game, just ask.
Kublai Kahn seems to conquering not only space but time as well considering the fact that he got his hands on 16th century European armor in the 13th century.
@@tauempire1793 'By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe. A full suit of plate armour would have consisted of a helmet, a gorget (or bevor), spaulders, pauldrons with gardbraces to cover the armpits as was seen in French armour,[2][3]' David Nicolle, French Armies of the Hundred Years War, Osprey Publishing, series Men-at-Arms #337, 2000.
"So the Mongols came over, ready for war, and died in a tornado. But they tried again, and had a nice time fighting with the Japanese, but then died in a tornado."
Despite being anachronistic, having expensive western european plate armor on his treasures is an excellent way to show how powerful the mongols are, and how far their empire has stretched. It is not a war against a petty king or some small retainer, you are facing the might of an empire here.
The Katana is essentially a sliver of high-carbon steel folded inside a low-carbon coating. Despite how complex the description might sound, it's actually a very simple & ancient technique- used by every iron-poor society in human history including the Vikings, Nubians & Malays. In fact, by the time Katanas were developed in Japan, the rest of the World had shifted to alloys. Japan is simply the last place on Earth where swords stayed in common use till the 1900s. The romance came latter...
I mean it does somewhat depend because the Katana design otherwise called the Tachi design was already made long before such event. The Katana's we think of and know of today where made in the 1400s or around the 15th century they say however the rest of the world did not simply move on with new or different alloys. Infact by that point with trade from China and the Europeans it was possible to get it made out of decent made quality steel though that was reserved for only the richest and so the rest had to use a lower quality Steel or just iron for their armour and Steel. Still the world was still using a similar quality steel to those of extreme wealth within the samurai class and the world didn't simply shift to alloys. I agree with your point of it being roughly the last place to use swords up until the 1900s even though we also have the Ghurkas who used there karikuri knife and sword designs in the 1900s, and of course it being used by every Iron poor society Infact it was even used in evey society, most swords have been folded to an extent. So while you are correct there are some apsects that you somewhat missed. Also I dunno why you randomly came out of nowhere just to say this when the video said mot much about it being so great. Infact one aspect was it ofc being "Take up the sword and Bow" for the Japan victory not saying "it is the best sword in existence." If it's being romanticized then let it be romanticized it's not harming people (unless its saying its the best sword ever) nor is it even being that masisvely romanticized. God the anti Katana community can be so hostile sometimes.
What the hell do katanas have to do with this video? Katanas didn't even exist in the 1200s. It's just a hunch, but I suspect the biggest katana haters were the same people who actually believed katanas could slice through plate armor. And then when they learned they were wrong they felt betrayed and turned against katanas like a spurned lover.
Maybe make it a bit like Shogun 2, when you capture Kyoto, hold it for four turns and you'll be Shogun. Capture Mongolia, make sure no factions rebel for a certain amount of turns and you're the greath khan. After you've been named greath khan, another, bigger map will open and you get to conquer surrounding lands as the mongol horde. I'm pretty sure it sounds worse written here than it does in my head, but if you see a flaw, tell me and I'll try my best to explain what I meant and or persuade you.
I’m actually studying a lot about the mongol conquests and the Khanates that came from them so that I could make a hypothetical Genghis Khan Total war. I have most of the hypothetical settlements set up using Marco Polo’s accounts. Now I’m studying some ospreys for the armies
Total War: Mongols. When you try to understand what happened between mongol khanates after The Khan died, you get a big headache, because it was like from game of throne.
They proper messed up by going with Atilla the Hun. Yes, he was infamous and yes, he was the first European 'bogey" man but his impact was kinda small compared the Mongols
MY WARRIORS?! HA! DEY R DA GWATEST WAWWIOZ IN DA WALD... wtf is this accent haha i still love this game though i dream for shogun 3 though i know it might not ever happen :(
If you want asians along vs west and more try out medivial total war eras conquest mod it has whole world playeble in 1600 century era and yes samurai mongols koreans and japanesse to.
@@mscapeh4451 I also like that mod sadly even though it's not major the representation of African and native American nations aren't as large as I would prefer it to be.
@@BlackWolf9988 More recent mark on history* The effects of mongol brutality resulted in the extermination of entire ethnic groups, the rape of most of the Eastern Hemisphere's women, and the deaths of 10% of the world's population at the time. Just because we're starting to forget it doesn't mean it's insignificant.
I mean Yasuke the anime that was released sorta told us that was the case except it was Mongolian tech before the Japanese took that tech and used it themselves.
The mongols were navies were destroyed by the tsunami and hurricane that destroyed them and they have no supply nor not ready to face any sort of combat
I find it funny that the architecture in the Mongolian victory ending is exactly the same as the one in the Japanese victory. I guess they had similar ideas? XD
Somewhat historically accurate, The Mongols when they take over a country pretty much let them be afterwards, and they have to give up a portion of their young to fight in wars
They would probably just assimilate into Japanese culture just like they did with China. The two significant impacts I can think of are, one, the Japanese would face a severe depopulation just like every other place the Mongols conquered but that would only last until the war continues. Once, Japan is conquered, the Mongols would just let the Natives rule it under their name. Two, Japan wouldn't really have such an old Imperial Dynasty like it has today.
The depiction was good in making the player feeling "oh neptune" as you see the mongols conquered almost the half of the world and you're the only one that's left
depends on what era katanas, sengoku katanas broke easier because they where "mass produced" because of the high demand of swords during the civil war. but when japan was at peace swords where made with much more care and was more durable.
@@dreysantillan Closest you'll get is the Eras Total Conquest for Medieval 2. It has the functions of Medieval 2, the unit diversity of Rome 1, and the Eras of Shogun 1 and Medieval 1. It has a lot of factions too. Also in it's last of it's 12 campaigns, the 1547 campaign, shows the entire world, from East Asia, to the Three Gunpowder Empires, and the colonial level empires Spain and Portugal.
Anyone ever heard a Mongol speak like that? He sounds like the voice of the guy who did City Wok on south park. th-cam.com/video/2C0OxuhvDok/w-d-xo.html
To the young or stupid here: The Mongol Invasion expansion pack for Shogun: Total War (the first game, NOT the 2011 sequel) is a "what-if" scenario. The game ITSELF stated that historically, the Mongols weren't able to land a strong force onto Japan because of the storm. The expansion served as a theme for a HYPOTHETICAL confrontation between Japan and the Mongol Empire. Btw, nice of you to use a racist term such as "Japs" in your statement. Smart.
Meh, it may have been assimilated into more Chinese/Mongol-like society, than get separated due to FEUDALISM - then get conquered into some new entity that is smth like the Mongol empire
True tho it would still most likely stay fairly Japanese in culture other then some apsects Infact the samurai may still exist just under the usage of the Mongals. Ofc the aftermath of the Mongal Empire falling may give the various old subjugated daimyo's to rise up along with a new possible Shogunate. maybe Japan might even stay a centralised nation or entity due to the aftermath of mongal rule tho that is a hypothesis and I have a feeling that wouldn't be the case. However what would be for sure is certain technologies and certain aspects in the poltical system would become quite comming in Japan.
Well the Mongol Empire was one of the last great horde empires. Normally these empires would have one united Tengri leader, conquer a bunch of stuff, and fell into disarray after they expanded too much for it. However, most of the horde empires usually conquered other horde-like lands; the Mongols were the exception due to the fact that they were also able to conquer non-horde lands, such as Russia, Iran, and even China. Because of this, we saw many Mongols becoming indifferent from their subjects in many fields. Chinese-style Buddhism became more of a thing in the actual land of Mongolia itself, and they also contributed to the Shi'ization of Iran, giving the Safavids some material to work with, and they also explain why there's a formidable Muslim minority in Russia.
No, afraid not. 'Mongol Invasion' was the expansion pack for the original Shogun (being the very first Total War). It was really an experiment in alternate history, i.e: what if the tsunami never struck Kubilai Khan's navy... If Mongols are your thing, however, you can see them in action in both Medieval I and II (also Kingdoms expansion). But things didn't really get going until Rome TW came along - when the player could see their troops close up. Makes all the difference for me!
@@dwl3006 With all due respect, you misread my post: Mongols appeared in both Medieval TW and Shogun 1. I mentioned Rome 1 only with regard to the fact players could see their troops up close - I made no mention of Mongols in that particular title! I do know that the Huns and Mongols were two peoples separated by eight centuries.
That doesn't matter, they still broke very often. It wasn't a powerful sword in terms of actual power, it was light and fast. Even before the Civil War, even by samurai whom had their blades specially hand-made for them, katanas broke a lot just by virtue of being what they were and the style that it is used in. The reason we don't see this happening to European swords (as much) is because they didn't necessarily focus on speed, so they were by in large much thicker.
Funny that they managed to succesfully conquer huge cities also then? The mongols learned to adapt to different circumstances when it came to warfare. The mongols failed to conquer Vietnam, but it remained a vassal state until the end of the empire.
The Mongol ending is actually better. Asia is unified (the guy said the Empire covers all of Asia), which means that Japan never went on its murderous rampage through China and the Pacific and Mao Zedong never took over China.
The ming red turban rebellion would’ve still happened even if the Mongols captured all of Asia. The reason why Korea left yuan is because the mongols were to focused on defeating the rebels led by the hongwu. If Korea left during the red turban rebellion then japan would’ve left as well that is if japan was captured by yuan
@@Str1ker793 Still, the cultural changes caused by the Mongol conquest might have been enough to prevent Japan from going down the same murderous path that it did in real life.
You forget the point of the argument, you said that once the plains and steppes ended it was failure and you have contradicted yourself by acknowledging that they DID successfully conquer cities.
It's mainly the effort of kyushu warriors. When the local lords report the invasion to kyoto, the shogun thought they were lying. As vast as the Mongolian empire was, they couldn't even take that small island in Japan.
aaaaah yes, because if Japan was conquered all problems facing the Mongols would have been magically resolved including all yet to come for over hundreds and hundreds of years
Actually many of you are mistaken because mongols landed twice on Japan in two separate invasions first time the mongol army was almost entirely destroyed by the storms on the way to Japan and japan nearly won the first time the second time a greater force was gathered but Japan was ready the coast was fortified with walls and castles although japan was outnumbered i did won because at one moment a raging Kamikaze storm ocured for 2 days and decimated the mongol fleet ancored left at the coast.
Well, there is a large difference between iron/steel and flesh. Leather and the like it could perhaps cut through (and while on the subject: no, samurai armour where not made out of wood or babmboo). Katanas where not made for cutting through metal armour, if it would be used against an armoured opponent the swordsman would attack the unarmoured/weak spots. As demonstrated here: watch?v=W5N8ny4REGU&t=90m0s
"Sadly the mongols,🇲🇳 invasion fleet didn't made it to the beaches, 🏖 of Japan,🏯 🗾 🇯🇵 ⛩ due to the terrible wind,🍃⚡and rain,☔ storm,🌩⛈ with thunder,⚡and lightning,🌩 and giant waves,🌊 in the year of 1281."
@@joeerickson516 why are you putting an emoji after every word that has an emoji? We can read. Also, why are you putting everything in quotation marks? We know it’s you speaking.
陳謙 Yep, Mongol tried invade Java once, Mongol win in early of invasion, but get heavy resistant and ambush from jungles by Javanese, and Mongol withdraw, consider it is a defeat. But still not epic like Vietnamese why not only dare to launch massive scale counter-offensive to siege the Mongol in former Vietan's citadel, forts but also toe to toe with Mongol in naval battles.
bits of historical inaccuracy here. Kublai Khan was the Mongol Emperor of China and never campaigned in Europe, and certainly never reached Western Europe (although the armor displayed over and over again implies so). Also, he never controlled the Golden Horde, which operated in Central Asia and never went to or wanted to go to Japan.
I see how your trying to divert the subject. Those civilizations were all located near major rivers and are very fertile. The plains are open grasslands where no cities are located please look it up. The mongols didn't conquer India because it was too big to control and not worth the effort, didn't conquer egypt due to defeat by muslim forces but they did manage to sack Baghdad so your only partially right.
That is not true. Katanas, while great for cutting, were not anti-cavalry weapons. As well, Katanas would often break in the middle of battle, and it was proper conduct for dueling Samurai to allow their opponent to get a spare sword if theirs broke. They were also not exactly that great against armor, though the Mongols rarely wore that anyway.
That still doesn't matter. The fact is that they very, VERY often broke mid-fight. It's even within Bushido that a duel is placed on pause should a sword break, and samurai always carried more than one (though they would usually reforge them as well). European swords didn't break (as often) because they were thicker-- katanas were lighter and thinner. Also, the katana and its direct predecessors were early medieval inventions-- there are other swords that are equivalent or older.
The term Horde* itself came from the Mongols of the Golden Horde( Which was originally called Altan Ord or Orda) Altan Orda = Golden Kingdom (Orda means Kingdom in Mongolian and some kipchak Turkic) Western Europeans and history sources made the word Horde(Which sounded like Orda which they mispronounced) as a huge clustered armies of the Golden Horde that later evolved into its own word for Any Concentrated Huge armies or people. Warcraft directly took inspiration from it popularized it and merged it with corrupted Elves also known as the Orcs from Norse Mythologies from Tolkien took it into his fictional universe.
I like your lack of vocabulary, they failed to conquer Japan because of a massive Typhoon that destroyed much of their fleet and failed in Vietnam because of the terrain e.g. rivers,jungle etc... The Americans found it equally troublesome even in the modern age...And the French conquered Vietnam with relative ease due to the political crisis the country was in and the French had already been welcomed into the country prior to that so you can't compare the 2 events as similar.
Unfortunately humans can't control the forces of nature, the same event could of destroyed any army, your argument is invalid because you have not come up with any good points with which to defeat me with, using a force of nature as an excuse to say the Mongols lost to the Japanese is ignorant and ridiculous
Metal armor is different from flesh and bone, a sword can behead human is not mean can cut through metal. That why in historical documents, samurai and other warriors use spear, bow and gun as primary weapons, only use sword when their primary weapons are broken. The real battle is not sword to sword like modern movies.
No, no, you are absolutely right. A great mind like yourself should not listen to these other idiots. Katana can slice through armor, bone and flesh. Heck concrete, metal, the moon too. What is the purpose of armor anyway, surely not to stop or dull the blow of a weapon.
well, I gotta tell you, I have never seen a more pathetic and badly performed set of cutscenes in my life. Shogun total war sucks. LONG LIVE ROME TOTAL WAR!!!
***** that doesn't excuse the terrible voice acting, anyone can do better in their sleep. And if that's really how they talked in Shogun then, I mean, good lord!
Kublai Kahn seems to conquering not only space but time as well considering the fact that he got his hands on 16th century European armor in the 13th century.
Lol Mongolian conquered some european country during "MEDIEVAL PERIOD" lol
I mean plate was technically used ans made in the 1300s which thr Mongals lived through though yes that does seem fair lmao
@@tauempire1793 No it wasn't. Not steel or iron plate as shown in the video. And certainly not in that 16th century style.
@@tauempire1793 'By about 1420, complete suits of plate armour had been developed in Europe. A full suit of plate armour would have consisted of a helmet, a gorget (or bevor), spaulders, pauldrons with gardbraces to cover the armpits as was seen in French armour,[2][3]'
David Nicolle, French Armies of the Hundred Years War, Osprey Publishing, series Men-at-Arms #337, 2000.
@@Scipionyxsam By 1420 Kublai Khan was loooooong dead, and the Mongols were already ousted completely out of China by the Ming.
"So the Mongols came over, ready for war, and died in a tornado. But they tried again, and had a nice time fighting with the Japanese, but then died in a tornado."
NintenjaBennie tsunami hurricane
Yea but not in mainland only in a couple off shore islands most popular is Tshushima
EDIT : IRL also why tf i replied to a 3 year old comment
Serves them right for talking shit about Susano-o.
then the emperor overthrow the shogunate
Ik this reference this from history of japanese by bill wurtz
"Hey you think those clouds on the horizon mean anything?"
"I'm sure it's just a little sea storm."
*AFTER THE STORM*
"*BARF*, *BARF*, Should have stick to joining Hulagu Khan in a warm, sweet, Arabian climate!"
Mother Nature: I'm about to do what's called a pro gamer move.
@@far0145mostly they were chinese, korean conscripts
And then they all died in a hurricane.
LukeDaDuke Mongolian prank gone wrong.
They died in a tornado...then they tried again and had a nice time fighting with the Japanese, but then died in a tornado
I believe the proper term is "kamikaze"
LukeDaDuke died in a tornado*
the mighty kamikaze!!!
Ghost of Tsushima looks great.
it does
0:55 - "DEY AH FEWWWWWWWWWWLS!"
The cowards, the fools! They hide in the METHAL BAWKSES
SAMURAI FOOOOOOOL!
AN WELL DYE LIKE FEEEEWWELS. DERE JAPAHN WILL BEH..... MIIIIIIIIINNNEEE. 😏
THIS I PROHMIS.
Despite being anachronistic, having expensive western european plate armor on his treasures is an excellent way to show how powerful the mongols are, and how far their empire has stretched.
It is not a war against a petty king or some small retainer, you are facing the might of an empire here.
True. But Kublai Khan more or less just ran China at this point. The other hordes just paid him lip service or would fight amongst each other.
The Katana is essentially a sliver of high-carbon steel folded inside a low-carbon coating. Despite how complex the description might sound, it's actually a very simple & ancient technique- used by every iron-poor society in human history including the Vikings, Nubians & Malays.
In fact, by the time Katanas were developed in Japan, the rest of the World had shifted to alloys. Japan is simply the last place on Earth where swords stayed in common use till the 1900s. The romance came latter...
I mean it does somewhat depend because the Katana design otherwise called the Tachi design was already made long before such event. The Katana's we think of and know of today where made in the 1400s or around the 15th century they say however the rest of the world did not simply move on with new or different alloys. Infact by that point with trade from China and the Europeans it was possible to get it made out of decent made quality steel though that was reserved for only the richest and so the rest had to use a lower quality Steel or just iron for their armour and Steel. Still the world was still using a similar quality steel to those of extreme wealth within the samurai class and the world didn't simply shift to alloys. I agree with your point of it being roughly the last place to use swords up until the 1900s even though we also have the Ghurkas who used there karikuri knife and sword designs in the 1900s, and of course it being used by every Iron poor society Infact it was even used in evey society, most swords have been folded to an extent. So while you are correct there are some apsects that you somewhat missed. Also I dunno why you randomly came out of nowhere just to say this when the video said mot much about it being so great. Infact one aspect was it ofc being "Take up the sword and Bow" for the Japan victory not saying "it is the best sword in existence." If it's being romanticized then let it be romanticized it's not harming people (unless its saying its the best sword ever) nor is it even being that masisvely romanticized. God the anti Katana community can be so hostile sometimes.
@@tauempire1793 OP wasn't hostile tho?
What the hell do katanas have to do with this video? Katanas didn't even exist in the 1200s.
It's just a hunch, but I suspect the biggest katana haters were the same people who actually believed katanas could slice through plate armor. And then when they learned they were wrong they felt betrayed and turned against katanas like a spurned lover.
@@amafuji I feel like the biggest katana haters are basically the white-nationalist version of weebs.
The Vikings weren’t low in iron. It was one of their primary recourses used. That’s why they could make so many weapons with just iron.
I want a Medieval 3 Total War that covers Europe, Asia and the Americas. A mongolian world campaign would be awesome as fuck
Maybe make it a bit like Shogun 2, when you capture Kyoto, hold it for four turns and you'll be Shogun.
Capture Mongolia, make sure no factions rebel for a certain amount of turns and you're the greath khan.
After you've been named greath khan, another, bigger map will open and you get to conquer surrounding lands as the mongol horde.
I'm pretty sure it sounds worse written here than it does in my head, but if you see a flaw, tell me and I'll try my best to explain what I meant and or persuade you.
yeah would be cool to expand over North Africa, Europe, Asia and North America.
I’m actually studying a lot about the mongol conquests and the Khanates that came from them so that I could make a hypothetical Genghis Khan Total war. I have most of the hypothetical settlements set up using Marco Polo’s accounts. Now I’m studying some ospreys for the armies
Total War: Mongols. When you try to understand what happened between mongol khanates after The Khan died, you get a big headache, because it was like from game of throne.
They proper messed up by going with Atilla the Hun. Yes, he was infamous and yes, he was the first European 'bogey" man but his impact was kinda small compared the Mongols
The Ulaan Japan ending is the best thing I've ever seen in total war
MY WARRIORS?! HA! DEY R DA GWATEST WAWWIOZ IN DA WALD... wtf is this accent haha i still love this game though i dream for shogun 3 though i know it might not ever happen :(
Steven Holloway A Shamefur Dispray!!!!
If you want asians along vs west and more try out medivial total war eras conquest mod it has whole world playeble in 1600 century era and yes samurai mongols koreans and japanesse to.
@@mscapeh4451 I also like that mod sadly even though it's not major the representation of African and native American nations aren't as large as I would prefer it to be.
WHO WOULD WIN
The greatest empire to exist
vs
Weather
oh, for GODS sake...
Of course GOD wins
@@far0145 Don't you mean GODS?
More like big Mongol boi vs Weather
*2nd greatest empire
The british were bigger and left a bigger mark on history
@@BlackWolf9988 More recent mark on history*
The effects of mongol brutality resulted in the extermination of entire ethnic groups, the rape of most of the Eastern Hemisphere's women, and the deaths of 10% of the world's population at the time.
Just because we're starting to forget it doesn't mean it's insignificant.
"miiiine"
this sounds like a mooing cow
You sound like a mooing cow.
WE ALL DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
moo
That's what they wanted you to think. It was actually a Giant Japanese Gundam which beat the Mongols.
I mean Yasuke the anime that was released sorta told us that was the case except it was Mongolian tech before the Japanese took that tech and used it themselves.
The mongols were navies were destroyed by the tsunami and hurricane that destroyed them and they have no supply nor not ready to face any sort of combat
I find it funny that the architecture in the Mongolian victory ending is exactly the same as the one in the Japanese victory.
I guess they had similar ideas? XD
Somewhat historically accurate, The Mongols when they take over a country pretty much let them be afterwards, and they have to give up a portion of their young to fight in wars
@@saber2802 Yeah they would have made Japan a client state, that’s true.
The Mongolian forces were essentially defeated by storms. Japan really lucked out on that one.
They would probably just assimilate into Japanese culture just like they did with China. The two significant impacts I can think of are, one, the Japanese would face a severe depopulation just like every other place the Mongols conquered but that would only last until the war continues. Once, Japan is conquered, the Mongols would just let the Natives rule it under their name. Two, Japan wouldn't really have such an old Imperial Dynasty like it has today.
No, the Mongols were already losing pretty handily. The typhoons were just the final blow.
2:35 New Yakuza game looked nice... 😂😂😂
But Then They died in a tornado,
They tried again, they spent a nice time fighting but then died in a tornado
I love than in the mongol ending the Mogolian empire still excists on modern times.
The depiction was good in making the player feeling "oh neptune" as you see the mongols conquered almost the half of the world and you're the only one that's left
depends on what era katanas, sengoku katanas broke easier because they where "mass produced" because of the high demand of swords during the civil war. but when japan was at peace swords where made with much more care and was more durable.
2:35 what's this New Yakuza game???
Kinda like Malaysian accent lol
As a Malaysian I can confirm
As a Singaporean, I can confirm as well.
Manglish/singlish..... no difference...
@@zennoix9984 Inglish
Can agree doh
Imagine
Total War
Just Total War
A complete total war of the entire world
Pick a faction
Pick a time period
Reshape the history, conquer the world
Your dreams are to great for our world I fear
@@davidhelmer9124 😔
I guess dreams are meant to be dreams
@@dreysantillan Closest you'll get is the Eras Total Conquest for Medieval 2. It has the functions of Medieval 2, the unit diversity of Rome 1, and the Eras of Shogun 1 and Medieval 1. It has a lot of factions too. Also in it's last of it's 12 campaigns, the 1547 campaign, shows the entire world, from East Asia, to the Three Gunpowder Empires, and the colonial level empires Spain and Portugal.
They are *FOOOOOLS*
And all of Japan will be Miiiiiinnnnnneeee
Anyone ever heard a Mongol speak like that? He sounds like the voice of the guy who did City Wok on south park.
th-cam.com/video/2C0OxuhvDok/w-d-xo.html
Nahh they don’t sound like chinese
Miss you, Igawa-sensei!!
IMO: CA should have made a Mongol Total War
Hey man? Man, man!
The narrator's accent sounded Singaporean
The guy's intro speech would sound a lot funnier if it wasn't actually true.
Truly, the conquerers of conquerers.
To the young or stupid here: The Mongol Invasion expansion pack for Shogun: Total War (the first game, NOT the 2011 sequel) is a "what-if" scenario. The game ITSELF stated that historically, the Mongols weren't able to land a strong force onto Japan because of the storm. The expansion served as a theme for a HYPOTHETICAL confrontation between Japan and the Mongol Empire.
Btw, nice of you to use a racist term such as "Japs" in your statement. Smart.
Fuck off, with your arrogance and your pedantism.
Muh political correctness !!
Fuck off
so if they took Japan the mongol empire would've lasted hundreds or thousands of years? ok then...
Meh, it may have been assimilated into more Chinese/Mongol-like society, than get separated due to FEUDALISM - then get conquered into some new entity that is smth like the Mongol empire
True tho it would still most likely stay fairly Japanese in culture other then some apsects Infact the samurai may still exist just under the usage of the Mongals. Ofc the aftermath of the Mongal Empire falling may give the various old subjugated daimyo's to rise up along with a new possible Shogunate. maybe Japan might even stay a centralised nation or entity due to the aftermath of mongal rule tho that is a hypothesis and I have a feeling that wouldn't be the case. However what would be for sure is certain technologies and certain aspects in the poltical system would become quite comming in Japan.
Well the Mongol Empire was one of the last great horde empires. Normally these empires would have one united Tengri leader, conquer a bunch of stuff, and fell into disarray after they expanded too much for it. However, most of the horde empires usually conquered other horde-like lands; the Mongols were the exception due to the fact that they were also able to conquer non-horde lands, such as Russia, Iran, and even China. Because of this, we saw many Mongols becoming indifferent from their subjects in many fields. Chinese-style Buddhism became more of a thing in the actual land of Mongolia itself, and they also contributed to the Shi'ization of Iran, giving the Safavids some material to work with, and they also explain why there's a formidable Muslim minority in Russia.
Super weird intro
Most Super Coolest Intro in History of Videogames* 😎
YOU DARE DISRESPECT THE GREAT KHAN?!
@@angrydoggo7160 5 Years later and I have no idea why I commented that and what was I thinking back then
@@arturg3333 It's alright. You're forgiven.
0:57 so you're telling they are foolish samurai warriors welding magic swords?
i wonder what would happened to Japan if the there were no storms and all mongolian forces landed
He sound like Tarzan when he meet a human for the first time.
No, afraid not. 'Mongol Invasion' was the expansion pack for the original Shogun (being the very first Total War). It was really an experiment in alternate history, i.e: what if the tsunami never struck Kubilai Khan's navy...
If Mongols are your thing, however, you can see them in action in both Medieval I and II (also Kingdoms expansion). But things didn't really get going until Rome TW came along - when the player could see their troops close up. Makes all the difference for me!
There were no Mongols during Rome, you are thinking of the Huns, but those are not the same people.
@@dwl3006 With all due respect, you misread my post: Mongols appeared in both Medieval TW and Shogun 1. I mentioned Rome 1 only with regard to the fact players could see their troops up close - I made no mention of Mongols in that particular title! I do know that the Huns and Mongols were two peoples separated by eight centuries.
The Shogun outro should of been better, not copy paste shit.
SHAMEFUL DISPLAY!!!
Shramefrul Dispray
That doesn't matter, they still broke very often. It wasn't a powerful sword in terms of actual power, it was light and fast. Even before the Civil War, even by samurai whom had their blades specially hand-made for them, katanas broke a lot just by virtue of being what they were and the style that it is used in. The reason we don't see this happening to European swords (as much) is because they didn't necessarily focus on speed, so they were by in large much thicker.
They tried to invade Japan and that gone real horribly wrong. Then they decided to just conquer Dai Viet (Vietnam) next and that also gone wrong too.
and now no one even remembers their names 🥺
@killingAjax the golden horde operated in the middle east, which is very, very far away from japan. Look it up.
*But they died in a tornado*
Still waiting for the remake
cant fool me, the mongol voice at the start is obviously some germanic european person
yes or no.... result in hands of god?
Interesting dialect
mongol is taken all the victories
Funny that they managed to succesfully conquer huge cities also then? The mongols learned to adapt to different circumstances when it came to warfare. The mongols failed to conquer Vietnam, but it remained a vassal state until the end of the empire.
ghost of thusuisbhsima came out years ago!
@ELcapalla2 you should, it's pretty good in my opinion.
The Mongol ending is actually better. Asia is unified (the guy said the Empire covers all of Asia), which means that Japan never went on its murderous rampage through China and the Pacific and Mao Zedong never took over China.
mongolian ending is a delusion of some schizo
thinking that conquering japan would prevent the empire from collapse is beyond silly
The ming red turban rebellion would’ve still happened even if the Mongols captured all of Asia. The reason why Korea left yuan is because the mongols were to focused on defeating the rebels led by the hongwu. If Korea left during the red turban rebellion then japan would’ve left as well that is if japan was captured by yuan
@@Str1ker793 Still, the cultural changes caused by the Mongol conquest might have been enough to prevent Japan from going down the same murderous path that it did in real life.
Ghost of tsushima, jin Sakai will kill you guys off
@brainwasher9876 Well he could have simply been given the armor as a gift or bought it because it was shiny.
MY WARRIORS? HA
You forget the point of the argument, you said that once the plains and steppes ended it was failure and you have contradicted yourself by acknowledging that they DID successfully conquer cities.
Plus most cities are not in the "plains"...
So if Mongolia only captured Japan their empire would've made it to the present era? Dang typhoons...
Hojo clan saved Japan from Mongols and later their clan was destroyed totally by the time Tokugawa ruled. What a gratitude. 😅
It's mainly the effort of kyushu warriors. When the local lords report the invasion to kyoto, the shogun thought they were lying. As vast as the Mongolian empire was, they couldn't even take that small island in Japan.
European plate armor didn't exist in the 1200s
aaaaah yes, because if Japan was conquered all problems facing the Mongols would have been magically resolved including all yet to come for over hundreds and hundreds of years
Yes, because with Japan they would possess the power of anime.
Dey Are Foos Lmao 0:55
Actually many of you are mistaken because mongols landed twice on Japan in two separate invasions first time the mongol army was almost entirely destroyed by the storms on the way to Japan and japan nearly won the first time the second time a greater force was gathered but Japan was ready the coast was fortified with walls and castles although japan was outnumbered i did won because at one moment a raging Kamikaze storm ocured for 2 days and decimated the mongol fleet ancored left at the coast.
After Ghost of Tsushima, people know the Mongols made it to Japan.
Well, there is a large difference between iron/steel and flesh. Leather and the like it could perhaps cut through (and while on the subject: no, samurai armour where not made out of wood or babmboo). Katanas where not made for cutting through metal armour, if it would be used against an armoured opponent the swordsman would attack the unarmoured/weak spots. As demonstrated here: watch?v=W5N8ny4REGU&t=90m0s
"Sadly the mongols,🇲🇳 invasion fleet didn't made it to the beaches, 🏖 of Japan,🏯 🗾 🇯🇵 ⛩ due to the terrible wind,🍃⚡and rain,☔ storm,🌩⛈ with thunder,⚡and lightning,🌩 and giant waves,🌊 in the year of 1281."
Bro went ham with the emojis 😭😭😭
"What do you mean?"
@@joeerickson516 why are you putting an emoji after every word that has an emoji? We can read. Also, why are you putting everything in quotation marks? We know it’s you speaking.
"So what?"
sadly?
Mongol very lose many in Vietnam.
Actually, 1 draw, 2 lost.
Still Vietnam was pretty damn good
we defeated them in java Indonesia
Hilmi Prabowo you telling me that Mongol invaded Java?
陳謙
Yep, Mongol tried invade Java once, Mongol win in early of invasion, but get heavy resistant and ambush from jungles by Javanese, and Mongol withdraw, consider it is a defeat. But still not epic like Vietnamese why not only dare to launch massive scale counter-offensive to siege the Mongol in former Vietan's citadel, forts but also toe to toe with Mongol in naval battles.
bits of historical inaccuracy here. Kublai Khan was the Mongol Emperor of China and never campaigned in Europe, and certainly never reached Western Europe (although the armor displayed over and over again implies so). Also, he never controlled the Golden Horde, which operated in Central Asia and never went to or wanted to go to Japan.
Kublai Khan wanted to conquer Japan.
That knights armor didn’t even existed in his time
who cares, these 3 cutscenes are more exciting than anything CA has shat out in the past 9 years
The guy who was narrating the Mongol victory was talking about the achievements that the mongols made. Not just kublai khan
They were nominally subservient to the Great Khan, so I think it was just Kublai bragging above his waist, even after the Toluid civil war.
нужно такое же длс к второму Сегуну
The mongolian outro seems so unrealistic
why does he sound like nick Mullen doing a gay Chinese guy voice
And believed that they would always be saved by the 'divine wind'
I see how your trying to divert the subject. Those civilizations were all located near major rivers and are very fertile. The plains are open grasslands where no cities are located please look it up. The mongols didn't conquer India because it was too big to control and not worth the effort, didn't conquer egypt due to defeat by muslim forces but they did manage to sack Baghdad so your only partially right.
@killingAjax then you have no need to reply to my initial comment. Everything I said was correct, you just misread it.
Not in the way the mongols did... Cities would rather surrender straight away than face siege and a bloody massacre.
Ghost of Tsushima anyone
Try to stay on subject please you were doubting the military tactics of the mongols...
I love this intro but it really sounds like a dude doing a cheesy Asian accent lmao.
But i gues japanese voo-do worked ;D
@SuPerMusKetMan Ehmm Shogun 2 isn't even out so it could be utter shit and Rome total war came out after Medieval :/.
That is not true. Katanas, while great for cutting, were not anti-cavalry weapons. As well, Katanas would often break in the middle of battle, and it was proper conduct for dueling Samurai to allow their opponent to get a spare sword if theirs broke. They were also not exactly that great against armor, though the Mongols rarely wore that anyway.
That still doesn't matter. The fact is that they very, VERY often broke mid-fight. It's even within Bushido that a duel is placed on pause should a sword break, and samurai always carried more than one (though they would usually reforge them as well). European swords didn't break (as often) because they were thicker-- katanas were lighter and thinner. Also, the katana and its direct predecessors were early medieval inventions-- there are other swords that are equivalent or older.
There Are Non Greater Den All da world(Chinese accent) XD soz if this is racist
the voice acting ranges from decent to ...... not decent....
glad that picked up in Shogun 2
damn
looks more like orcs to me
the way he says horde
The term Horde* itself came from the Mongols of the Golden Horde( Which was originally called Altan Ord or Orda)
Altan Orda = Golden Kingdom (Orda means Kingdom in Mongolian and some kipchak Turkic)
Western Europeans and history sources made the word Horde(Which sounded like Orda which they mispronounced) as a huge clustered armies of the Golden Horde that later evolved into its own word for Any Concentrated Huge armies or people.
Warcraft directly took inspiration from it popularized it and merged it with corrupted Elves also known as the Orcs from Norse Mythologies from Tolkien took it into his fictional universe.
@@tuguldursooyo4685 psda medeeguin bnshd
samurai is so slow and mongols so fasting and good aiming and calvary so faster rather then samurai calvaries... its looks so cheated
His name is Kubilay Khan. Not cool İ con...
Hubilai*
If you played as the mongols shame on you.
I like your lack of vocabulary, they failed to conquer Japan because of a massive Typhoon that destroyed much of their fleet and failed in Vietnam because of the terrain e.g. rivers,jungle etc... The Americans found it equally troublesome even in the modern age...And the French conquered Vietnam with relative ease due to the political crisis the country was in and the French had already been welcomed into the country prior to that so you can't compare the 2 events as similar.
I want this mod link pls
this ain't a mod
2:14 what the fuck?
Unfortunately humans can't control the forces of nature, the same event could of destroyed any army, your argument is invalid because you have not come up with any good points with which to defeat me with, using a force of nature as an excuse to say the Mongols lost to the Japanese is ignorant and ridiculous
Mongolia can even conquer russia in the past, but in the soviet russia age they serve USSR
They once powerful but now they didn't strong much
Katanas the most powerfull sword in history would vut them in half....
Hashirama Senju katana is not lazer saber, others great warrior nations have also their wonderful swords,
Hashirama Senju most weakest sword*
Most poweful? Uhm no. Zweihander? No-dachi? Gothic blades? Gotland blades?
Katanas are the most overrated swords, mostly held to such esteem by weeb neckbeards like urself
What Turks?
Mongols !
Damn 10 year old comment. Are you still alive
Rome Total War as the best. Get outta here graphics noob
"Katana not great against armor"? sure....If a katana can cutt easily through bone and flesh and suddenly fails at armor? Your logic is weird....
Metal armor is different from flesh and bone, a sword can behead human is not mean can cut through metal. That why in historical documents, samurai and other warriors use spear, bow and gun as primary weapons, only use sword when their primary weapons are broken. The real battle is not sword to sword like modern movies.
You literally know nothing about ancient arms and armour.
No, no, you are absolutely right. A great mind like yourself should not listen to these other idiots. Katana can slice through armor, bone and flesh. Heck concrete, metal, the moon too. What is the purpose of armor anyway, surely not to stop or dull the blow of a weapon.
When you wear a metal plate armor, you won't need a shield. YOU ARE THE SHIELD.
This is a old comment but i love it "YOU ARE THE SHIELD" hahaha@@mr.notsonice
well, I gotta tell you, I have never seen a more pathetic and badly performed set of cutscenes in my life.
Shogun total war sucks. LONG LIVE ROME TOTAL WAR!!!
***** that doesn't excuse the terrible voice acting, anyone can do better in their sleep. And if that's really how they talked in Shogun then, I mean, good lord!
Luke Dearey
Pfff did you hear Resident Evil at the time? This is top notch fucking voice acting for that time hahaha
zupergozer ok, I guess.
Shogun 2 was and still is the greatest in the franchise.
This literally is the first game they made before Rome