This might be early on and you get Paper Luigi later. Notice Paper Mario is the Y button that just leaves the X button which will probably be for Paper Luigi.
CarKing 114 I would hope so, but I also feel like that would be a pretty big game mechanic you'd get right away. I mean I get why there wouldn't be a second paper character since it might be redundant for the over world move set . . . but please don't neglect Luigi.
I love how everyone's complaining about how this is a poor excuse for a Paper Mario game, when if they had half a brain, they'd realize that this is really just a Mario and Luigi game that has Paper Mario characters.
TheBlimpFruit That's why everyone is complaining? You know what this could mean? That PM is dead they picked M&L as their RPG and are attempting to get PM fans into the series. This isn't a true crossover and it certainly isn't a PM game and that's what we wanted.
TheBlimpFruit Really? Actually in this brief overview, it looked a lot more Paper Mario (Especially Sticker Star-esque) than a Mario & Luigi game to me.
sinancothebest Where? It looks like Paper Mario thrown into the DT engine too me. It seems to have similar if not identical mechanics to previous M&L series if not the same. It's seems to be in a M&L DT type of world (for now) The only things I've seen related to PM are within the character itself.
I just realized. Paper Mario Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door Super Paper Mario Paper Mario: Sticker Star Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time Mario and Luigi: Bowser's inside story Mario and Luigi: Dream Team This game is both of their 5th games.
FroHungry Actually, it's all magic stuff. Paper Mario and friends come out of a book. Lol. So maybe the Paper Mario universe took place in that book the whole time?
Jp So far it seems like the entire Paper Mario series is a book within the Mario universe. I mean its split into "chapters" with a narrator detailing the game in between. We will have to see how this works out though.
Franknbean I just hope that they bring references from the Paper Mario games, and not just "oh hey they're all Mario and they're paper THAT'S CRAZYYYYYYY"
Liam Freeman I was excited for Star Fox but then the next thing I watched was the Metroid abomination. Everything I saw before that disappeared from my excite list. It was that bad.
Mike Tyson's Paper Mario & Luigi: The thousand year legend of the seven superstar sagas inside Bowser's dream door in time team & Knuckles featuring Mr. Dream and Dante from the Devil May Cry series HD remix. Batteries not included. Now with on-disc first day dlc GOTY Edition and amiibo support.
I hope to god this has interesting original-gen villains. Those guys were the only reason I stuck around these series in the first place. There better be some oblique background reference to Fawful, Antasma, Dimentio, or the Shadow Queen. Or, y'know, a good villain that isn't Bowser.
XerxesTexasToast It is tradition in the M&L series for the final boss to be some form of Bowser. But not in Paper Mario. We'll see when we get more info.
David Jafari I'd prefer it to be something using Bowser than just straight-up Bowser. Dream Team had to declaw Antasma to pull that off, and it was disappointing. Cackletta, Fawful, and the Elder Princess Shroob stuck it out until the end, even when they did have to use Bowser.
XerxesTexasToast Actually, Dimentio would be a perfect choice of villain of this game. Remember, he's the Master of Dimensions, so he could be the reason why the Mario worlds cross-over. But obviously still slim because, ya know, Nintendo.
Things I want to see in this game: 1. The return of Mr. L! PLEASE! 2. The return of Fawful and Dimentio and they team up and work together. (That would be awesome for story and final boss) 3. Good Battle System. From the looks of it, it seems good. I don't want any Stickers sticking around. 4. New, original, 3-deminsional characters 5. Partners! Please? 6. A good story arc. That's what Mario and Luigi (and Old Paper Mario),are known for 7. Very enjoyable experience. Since its not coming until next Spring I'm sure they're taking there time to make this game great. What do u guys want to see?
Minene Uryuu922 (previously deaththekid922) The Mario and Luigi series is a great series of RPG s that are nowhere near cheap. And the M&L series did too have cutscenes. You may have a different opinion and think Paper Mario is better but don't crap on a just as good or arguably even better series of Gamez just because it's on a handheld. You never know, maybe they will incorporate Partners somehow. But even without partners, the M&L series is one of the greatest RPG series (or gaming series on general) I've ever played and they are tons of fun. But once again it's your opinion but you shouldn't crap on other people's opinions.
Nope it's not. Geno and mallow are owned by both Nintendo and square Enix. Square Enix said this in a massage wich means Nintendo are able to use them plus they already did that in super Mario-kun comics without needing square Enix
So... am I the only one hoping somehow we get cameos of past characters here? Seriously, both Paper Mario, and the Mario and Luigi games had great characters (especially the Paper Mario partners, which Sticker Star lacked). It would be great to see some of them again. Even if it's just for a few lines.
_Data_Drain_ I agree! Personally, I'd like actual cameos or even full roles given to: All of TTYD's partners, Doopliss, SPM's villains, TTYD's villains (maybe even the dragon siblings somehow), Beldam and Marilyn, PM's partners, and anyone else that would be really cool like Prof. Frankly, perhaps! :D
_Data_Drain_ *busts through the door, screaming* BEANBEAN KINGDOM CAMEOOOOOOOOOOOS~ ...In all seriousness I'd like to see Prince Peasley again, though honestly it was great that they brought back Popple for Dream Team. And hey I'm hyped to see that Starlow (I'm glad she stuck around after Bowser's Inside Story) at least makes a cameo so I guess I shouldn't be too fussy. From what I understand the Paper Mario series needs love anyways.
Dadko I severely hope that's not the case. Both M&L and PM have levels of creativity in worlds and character that sticker star lacked. It'd be nice if they acknowledge games of the past with at least cameos from past characters.
***** The problem is that none of those were new. We already knew a fair amount about them before, ESPECIALLY Xenoblade. We didn't really learn anything new about it.
***** But they were revealed at E3 last year, so their inclusion in this year's presentation kind of felt redundant. Nintendo has revealed so much of these games already; the wow factor is gone. My problem with the presentation this year is that (regarding the Wii U) it felt like Nintendo, not having anything truly appealing beyond what has already been revealed, just shrugged and shuffled away...
This game is the absolute best. The moments Mario Luigi and Paper Mario share in this game melt my heart. As the #1 Paper Mario and Mario fan, it just makes me so happy to see this game exist. (And every other Mario game.)
If this game does any or all of the following: *brings back Fawful (or add a new villain; I'm not TOO picky) *has great exploration that adds to the game, rather than detract *has a great cast of varied characters, throwbacks or otherwise *oh, and experience points / leveling up. Then the Mario&Luigi franchise will surely bring back Paper Mario's reputation to former glory. ...But.... if the game does ANY of the following: * has sticker-based gameplay that limits movesets * Makes Bowser completely forgettable (though from the trailer, I think we'll be fine) * Has Boss Fights that almost REQUIRE a one-use attack (again, stickers) * Has an absolutely confusing world that is a chore to traverse, rather than promote exploration *Has next to no characters, or has only Toad NPCs to talk to (which I'm starting to fear will happen, based on this trailer) *pointless random encounters that only give coins Then Paper Mario will absolutely ruin the reputation of the Mario&Luigi franchise. I speak as a fan of both spin-off series, and has played every title in both games. I am both incredibly hyped and incredibly fearful of how this game will turn out.
+No Name You can't prove that Fawful is dead. What if he somehow survived the explosion and is still in Bowser's body? Maybe the Dream Stone caused Bowser to gain such immense strength because of Fawful?
I didn't mean better than the last Paper Mario games, I mean it was better than both Mario and Luigi: Dream Team, and Paper Mario Sticker Star. Both those games were rather disappointing and tedious for me. Without a doubt the first 3 Paper Mario games were great, but Sticker Star was just terrible, and had horrible replay value.
Zachary Erickson I liked Dream Team's overworld segments and rpg fights, but I did not care for the numerous side scrolling dream sequences, the faulty gyro required controls, the giant battles, the annoying NPCs, and the unskippible tutorial sections.
SpongicX Have you even played Bowser's Inside Story? It as well had tons of 2D side-scrolling sequences and Giant battles that were awesome, but not as interesting as Dream Team's and unlike dream team, Giant battles did NOT have bros./special attacks.
ryhansen1 That's the only one out of the 4 that I haven't played. I had Super Star Saga, Partners In Time, and Dream Team. I liked Super Star Saga the most. While Partners in Time was a fun concept, and had better graphics, that one was a bit disappointing, because it was too short.
Koop Channel Exactly, this game is going to be nice but the point of my comment is that I want a new Paper Mario and not the character Paper Mario in a Mario&Luigi game.
I WANT A TRUE PAPER MARIO GAME. LIKE WHY NINTENDO. HERE...I GOT A STORY FOR YOU. Bowser kidnaps princess peach. Mhm. Mhm. But not for himself. He did it for a new villian called....dr. evil waffle. Ok the name can change. But anyways...mario is on a quest to gather 8 stars which are children to stars of the thousand year door. And along the way...mario collects 64 black stars which he must brings back to some scientist house to purify. The stars become golden and the blackness becomes black gloop and it is preserved in a container for analysis. The purifying of the stars and the 8 stars rescued are enough to open the WORLDDDDDD'S DOOR. OOOOOO sounds nice doesn't it. And it will lead to bowser and dr. Evil waffle. Bowser gets defeated and runs off. He finds the scientist...steals the gloop and brings it back. Dr. Evil waffle tells bowser to drink it and he transform to giga bowser. I am done with the story for now. And mario will have 10 partners with 2 being secret. And THE GAME WILL HAVE A 100 LEVELS BATTLING PIT. get to work nintendo. nao!
Why there's people complaining about this? It looks amazing! "This is not a real Paper Mario game, I'm going to accuse you to my mom, Nontendo!" -A "real" Nintendo fan. Do you think Nintendo is working for you? I mean, yeah, they make games and you pay for those games to play them, but that doesn't mean they're working for you. Don't say stuff like "I didn't asked for this!", because you don't have the rights to say that. And also, why there's people saying "the Paper Mario series is ded"? From what I know, the last Paper Mario game came for the 3DS, and it wasn't a bad game.
So does this mean no "Paper Mario Wii U"? There were plenty of rumors of a new Paper Mario title, but is this really it? I love "Paper Mario" and "Mario & Luigi RPG", but I'm a little worried for this cross over. It might be fantastic. I'm going to buy it regardless, but I worry some times. At least "Mario & Luigi RPG" has a real level up system unlike "Sticker Star".
Ryan S. You're likely right. But isn't it sad that I felt no hype when I saw this trailer? I am the HUGEST fan of both of these series, and yet I felt no excitement, only concern. Maybe it's because Sticker Star was a bust, and Dream Team wasn't my favorite in the series (Still good, but it had its issues in my opinion).
StacheBros Whatever the case may be, I think this will already put Paper Mario out of that Sticker Star gutter - The battle system is back (since M&L's is really Paper Mario's with a difference or two), it's heavily implied Paper Bowser talks again, and one more character into the usual 2-person play of M&L makes for more puzzle/overworld opportunities :3
Ryan S. There's no denying that this looks WAAAAAYYY better than Sticker Star, but I will admit that there were parts of "Dream Team"s story that I flat out hated. "Dream Team" had the best battle system of its series (except the easy mode option), but I feel it had the weakest story, which is one of the reasons I worry about "Paper Jam".
MoMusuArchives As much as I want that to happen, chances are slim. The fair/poor reviews a Japan-only release got in 2012 probably intimidated them from the series, and I doubt they'd bring back the series after the crew was disbanded. …Then again, I said the same thing about a crossover between _Mario & Luigi_ and _Paper Mario…_ Suikoden VI is officially predicted by JustZumBros Studios! …At least, it's predicted by half of JustZumBros Studios...
Fairy Red ...What? It's clearly a Mario and Luigi game with Paper Mario elements, and Dream Team was amazing. I don't see how can people find any sticker star-ness in it, it looks GREAT.
This is a game that I would really love to see to come to Nintendo switch because I really enjoyed it on my 2ds and I am super ticked off that I sold it because I absolutely love this game so if Nintendo were to ever bring this game in any sort of way to the Nintendo switch I would be super happy
+Wasa The King I never said that it was. Sticker Star just left me so disappointed that I need a good Paper Mario game, even if it's only half of one. Haha!
Zack Dawg yeah, but when you think about it, the paper mario series doesnt have luigi fight that much. The only paper mario game he fought it was super paper mario. But i still wanted paper luigi in this game but oh well
I love both series so much but this looks like a mess. I (and many others) were looking forward to a Paper Mario Wii U that was in the style of TTYD, but instead...this.
***** I agree. Looks like sticker star shat in its face and left the series in the dirt to rot and be forgotten. But this was only a preview. Perhaps aside from disgraceful gameplay there will be a decent storyline...
I'd be excited for this if it weren't so obvious that Nintendo didn't know what to do with these series so they just mashed them together. Does Miyamoto just hate RPGs?
cutekirby Michael The Awesome! Unlikely, as long as Miyamoto's around. He doesn't want the games to have too much depth or be complex. Sticker Star was going to be like a portable TTYD, but he gave it the thumbs down for that reason.
***** Dude, he was the reason Sticker Star sucked, it was going fine till he messed it up. If he messes up Star Fox hes killed off the franchise. That game has to be good. Otherwise it'll become the next F-Zero.
My better boss ideas Mario and Luigi: the pages of nightmare Normal bosses Boom Boom Paper Wiggler Goomba King and Megasparkle goomba Dual Pety fight Eye rock Crystal King Paper Fawful and Dimentio Mr L King bob-omb Kammy Koopa and Paper Bowser The Underchomp Bonechill Smorg Grodus and Cackletta Antasma and the shadow queen Dark Star + Chaos Heart Super Dimentio and Dark Fawful Papercraft bosses Papercraft Hooktail Papercaft Brobot Papercaft Gooper Blooper Papercraft Mr Blizzard Papercaft Mangus Von grapple Papercaft Super Dementio Secret Boss Smithy (if possible)
Aw Hek it's a Snek That would be impossible, because Paper Mario is dead, and well, It's technically a M&L game, so it's expected to only have main Mario enemies and the M&L enemies.
So, some thoughts on this. I hope the original characters, including villains, from the two series will appear, besides Starlow who is in the trailer. My dream game is one in which Fawful and Dimentio team up, but sadly I think, yet again, Bowser will be the antagonist. Too many Toads, not enough other Paper NPCs such as friendly Goombas, Koopas and original species from the series. Mario & Luigi side of things looks good, I just hope it's actually an RPG and not a glorified Toad hunt (judging from the HUD in most of the footage) Other than that, this game looks great and I hope to upload a video containing my in-depth thoughts soon.
Jason Jungreis I would love that too. But since this is a crossover it should still be full of references to both series, not just the main series characters and Starlow. Every enemy I've seen so far is from either NSMB or Super Mario 3D series, excluding the classic Goombas and Koopas. Nothing from Dream Team, the first three Paper Mario games, etc.
ShitakeMusromSociety I know. I had always considered the Mario RPGs to be in the same continuity as the platformers, and that the Mario characters were the same all around... but now this? I feel very conflicted about this. I like the idea of crossing over the gameplay styles of Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi (that, in and of itself, sounds like the perfect Mario RPG gameplay-wise), but the notion of Mario and Paper Mario (and their respective cohorts and counterparts) being totally different characters just sounds so... wrong to me, and I think it ruins the extra lore and story elements that the RPGs were giving to Mario as a whole.
KingdomHeartsBrawler I like to think that both universes have had their respective Mario's (and Luigi's) go on the same quests. Just... one universe being more papery.
That is plausible. I don't know... I've always thought it was all in ONE universe, just that Nintendo decided to portray some of Mario's adventures in a papery style, and some others in the wacky Mario & Luigi style.
Oh. My. God. I haven't been this excited for anything since Super Mario Galaxy. Two of the best RPG series ever made are joining forces. All I can say is... ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, TTYD FANBOYS?!
JoeDan54 Personally, I doubt they're satisfied. Me, on the other hand, is stoked for this. :) I don't care if both series had a bum rap because of a few lackluster games, or it's not what people expected, it's a *flipping* crossover; I can't ignore that! But, it's coming out in 20-flipping-16?! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TIL THEN!?!?
JoeDan54 Right. Back to the game, I'm liking what I see, especially how Paper Mario operates. Now I finally see why fans want him in Smash, and if he is going to be in, Papercraft Mario or the Trio attack ought to be his Final Smash. :)
Brainstorm! what if the next game was called Mario&Luigi: Rival Ruckus and you controlled Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi. You would use the A button for Mario, B for Luigi, Y for Wario, and X for Waluigi.
This is not what killed mario & luigi. The bowser’s inside story remake is what was both this series’ and alphadream’s nail in the coffin UNTIL THE DIRECT
Is it really too much to ask for a Paper Mario RPG game. Super was a platformer with RPG elements (Thought it still had the charm of Paper Mario, even if not as good) Sticker Star was a bare bones turn based RPG, but since it had all the features removed, it didn't feel anything like an RPG. And lacked any of the charm and story of the previews ones. And now this, which while it looks promising, it is still just Mario & Luigi RPG series with Paper Mario crossovers. Go back to Thousand Year Door, and build upon that.
miimario44 You know I'm starting to see your point with the Giant Battles at this point. Bowser's Inside Story and Dream Team had some good reason about having to go giant. In this...Well granted we aren't given much context to how this giant Paper Mario thing was made and why they're here, so it might be better to wait a bit to learn more and get a better context for it, but still at this point I can't shake the feeling the Giant battles are becoming a sort of token element they have to keep bringing in after people liked it in Bowser's Inside Story and it starting to kinda get a bit too silly.
kiz epic journey If they REALLY heard the outcry of the fans, we'd get a Paper Mario U along the same vein of 64 or TTYD. Instead, we get Sticker Star x Dream Team.
The fans wanted both a M&L game and a Paper Mario game. Instead we get this which is even better. Who knows, there might be a big part of the game where you're JUST paper mario.
Dalmane I see it as more of a compromise. I mean there are no stickers in sight and it uses a Mario and Luigi style battle system. It also seems to have funny dialog. What we need now is an amazing story and this could be better than any Paper Mario 5/U we could've gotten.
+Arctic Chill Yep! MEEP MEEP SPOILER ALERT Just adding all this For a show more So that you dont see The spoiler alert Ok? I think im in now Papercraft Bowser is the final boss, mixing Bowser, and all of the Paper Koopa Troop (including bowser) into a giant bowser with cardboard armor that is so powerful (i dont know either) that all of PM's Trio attacks are countered.
Hey Nintendo, now you should make a sequel to this game having Mario & Luigi return the favor and cross over into a Paper Mario game on a home console so the concept would be the invert of this game's concept and parallel it. Paper Mario is almost always on home consoles and Mario & Luigi is always on handheld consoles, so the game I described that I said you should make would be the complete opposite in every aspect.
Nintendo just really hates Paper Luigi. Throughout all 5 Paper Mario Games, (Including this one) we got to play as him for a grand total of 1 and a half chapters of 1 game. Great...
+Ryan's Daily Entertainment They did want to add Paper Luigi, but they thought that adding for buttons to the game would make it hard and frustrating to play, so they stuck with three buttons only.
Buzzy Trombone Like I said, I totally understand it. I just with he maybe ha an impact on the plot. Like maybe he would be in Peach's castle and give you information or something like that.
I'm sure this game will be amazing, and I know this is early footage so it might change in the final game, but I have one huge complaint about this game already. "Sticker Star" did many things wrong, but one of the largest things it approached wrong was its character designs. Miyamoto said he wanted the game to look more "Mario-ized", which meant each NPC, enemy, etc looked like a normal Mario Franchise character. Instead of creative new characters inter mingled with normal Mario Franchise characters shown in every previous Paper Mario title, we got boring, normal characters that we've seen time after time. It looked too familiar, and I hated that about "Sticker Star". I already see that same thing happening in this game. Obviously this might not be the final design, but those Toads look so dang boring. At least we've got creative enemies like that sand monster, but I'm tired of fighting Petey Piranha as a boss. The only exception to the return of bosses like this is if "Paper Jam" had you relive the best bosses/moments from each title (Since Petey is in "Partners in Time" . . . Oh wait, he's in "Sticker Star" for some reason too GAHHHH!!!). That's just my opinion though. And I'm still not sold on how the over world looks. Yes it looks like "Dream Team", but I had issues with that over world too.
***** I thought the stickers were an interesting idea executed poorly. Either way, I prefer the traditional combat in the earlier Paper Mario titles. I think what Nintendo should do is change up their terminology. "Badges" should be called "Stickers", I feel like thats more fitting.
StacheBros This is why I feel it will be the weakest of the five Mario & Luigi games, but I think it will still end up being really good.... unlike one game *cough Sticker Star cough*
StacheBros This is the 10th or More Crossover Game that has Mario and the last one was the DLC with the 2nd Mario kart 8 game I have to say talk about a Animal Crossover.
Wait, no Paper Luigi?? They could've made a formula similar to Partners in Time. There are two Marios, so why not two Luigis? Nintendo, why you do dis?
***** he talks in his own series and none of the others talk in their games so it would be weird to have 1 character use actual dialog, 2 use italian jibberish, and 1 just doesnt say anything.
MarioWorld Wii Starlow and Stuffwell had conversations with the Bros, and didn't seem wierd. They even translated what the Bros said. I can see them giving Paper Mario a few English phrases, kinda like the babies in Partners in Time.
MarioWorld Wii Haven't you noticed that every time the bros say something in the M&L games, it's repeated by whoever they're talking too? Plus, I doubt most people will care whether or not Paper Mario speaks like the 3d bros, though it's obvious that the decision belongs to Nintendo.
I love the Mario and Luigi RPG series and the Paper Mario series, so this sounds like a match made in heaven. I am really excited about this and hope it can be released soon. Please Nintendo, and keep up the good work
While I have mixed feelings about this crossover, this isn't really the first time they crossovered franchises. Hyrule Warriors had the same impact, but it ended up doing pretty well. This and SMT x FE (or Persona x FE as a majority of fans call it) shouldn't be any different in terms of mixed/negative reactions during a first trailer. My only concerns about this game is the quests, and how the enemies actually target the bros instead of having hidden tales of how they attack (and no Paper Luigi.) Aside that, there are a few good things I like about this: A PM game where battles aren't completely pointless, Paper Bowser can finally talk again, the Trio Attacks are pretty interesting, and the Papercraft Mario battles seem unique enough to not be another carbon-copy of the Giant Battles. Both series have their pros and cons: The PM series has interstingly unique and bizzare levels, engaging stories and characters. M & L have some very great humourous writing, quirky stories, slightly better music, and the battles have a bit more depth. The PM series though have some very text heavy cutscenes (Looking at you, Super Paper Mario), and the M & L series suffered from long tutitorials, not just Dream Team. Plus, PM only had 2 great games, one that was pretty decent (even though Super Paper Mario had a better story and villians), and one that was really...dull. The M & L series never really had a bad game. Even though people say PiT was the SS of the series, it was still a fairly fun game. Aside from all this, we'll just have to wait and see how this game actually turns out.
+Pit ピット I didn't think that there would be a Mario & Luigi crossover with Paper Mario. That open up possibilities for what crossovers they can think of next. 1.) Mario & Luigi: Legend of Zelda Chronicles; Mario and friends are visiting Neo Hyrule, where modern technology coexist with the races of the golden eras of Hyrule. When Ganondorf of Moblin Industries learns of his ancestors Triforce of Power, the Mario Bros. and Modern Link team up to awaken the sages' descendants' powers to stop him. The Battle style will be just like this game, with Link and the Mario Bros. Combining powers of his ancestors to create what I like to call "Triforce Attacks". Princesses Peach and Zelda can work behind the scenes to look into what Ganondorf is planning and assist the heroic trio. 2.) Mario & Luigi: Shonen Jump Heroes; The Mushroom Kingdom was put under a curse that fuses their world with various worlds for popular Shonen Jump Manga series. With the help of the Main duo of Good Luck Girl!, Ichiko Sakura and Momiji, Mario and Luigi must break the curse by not only harnessing the powers and abilities of characters of famous mangas like Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and the like, but also collect the Seven Dragon Balls scattered throughout the kingdom to Summon Sherron to break the spell. This adventure can also include Mangas and Animes not found in the Shonen Jump series, Like Sailor Moon, Ouran High School Host Club, even Square Enix animes like Black Butler and Fullmetal Alchemist. 3.) Mario & Luigi: Bravely Default; A retelling of the Bravely Default storyline with a Mario & Luigi twist. Combine Fast-paced Action Commands with the Brave and Default system. Mark the return of Mellow and Geno for two Four Man teams with Mario's group and the Four Heroes of Light. Add Mario RPG Humor to the story like having Bowser battle against the Eternia army for title of World's Best Antagonist.
+Pit ピット To be honest I think Partners in time was a great one. I've played most of the M&L games so far (I haven't played Superstar Saga, and I haven't played Paper Jam, duh), but my favorite was probably Bowser's Inside Story. Unfortunately I've only played one of the Paper Mario games, being Super Paper Mario, and while I do think it is kind of text heavy in some parts, I'm a fairly speedy reader, so it wasn't a big deal to me. I've heard Sticker Star was horrible, and from what I've seen I'm sure it is horrible, but I don't really know how to feel about this game. It looks like it will be fun, but I'm kind of afraid that there won't be much diversity in the NPCs, and I also don't like how the M&L franchise has you spamming buttons when you use Bro/Special moves. Overall I think it'll be interesting to play, but I'm gonna wait and see some reviews before buying it (obviously I know it won't come out until next year ._.).
And even though I am super hyped for this game, I will always view it as yet another missed opportunity for the Mario Bros to be forced to team up with the Wario Bros. Not only would that give Waluigi a starring role of some sorts, but just think of the slapstick humour with having Luigi, Wario AND Waluigi constantly around. Make this happen Nintendo!
This better not suck like Sticker Star did... Why can't they just make a Paper Mario game the way they were MEANT to be? Just make a game in the same vein as the N64 and GC versions. Jesus, it's like they don't want our money
I didn't think that there would be a Mario & Luigi crossover with Paper Mario. That open up possibilities for what they can think of next. 1.) Mario & Luigi: Legend of Zelda Chronicles; Mario and friends are visiting Neo Hyrule, where modern technology coexist with the races of the golden eras of Hyrule. When Ganondorf of Moblin Industries learns of his ancestors Triforce of Power, the Mario Bros. and Modern Link team up to awaken the sages' descendants' powers to stop him. The Battle style will be just like this game, with Link and the Mario Bros. Combining powers of his ancestors to create what I like to call "Triforce Attacks". 2.) Mario & Luigi: Shonen Jump Heroes; The Mushroom Kingdom was put under a curse that fuses their world with various worlds for popular Shonen Jump Manga series. With the help of the Main duo of Good Luck Girl!, Ichiko Sakura and Momiji, Mario and Luigi must break the curse by harnessing the powers and abilities of mangas like Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and the like.
I just want normal, FP, and SP attacks. Amazing blocking techniques with A and B, badges to boost skills, and partners to fight with in an amazing story. Please Nintendo, I hope one day we'll get a 64 & TYD feel with any next Paper Mario game. But this isn't bad either.
I hope paper jam redeems it self from its predecessors M&L dream team: was preatty good but weakest out of all the ML titles Paper mario sticker star: yea lets all forget this game ever existed
Max Powers dream team was great. It hit all the good factors, new characters, good storyline, challenging gameplay, actually new boss battles, etc. although it may not be as good, it still sparked a good spot in M & L. And the soundtrack was the best aswell.
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ALSO WHY IS THERE NO PAPER LUIGI AS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER?
This might be early on and you get Paper Luigi later. Notice Paper Mario is the Y button that just leaves the X button which will probably be for Paper Luigi.
CarKing 114 I would hope so, but I also feel like that would be a pretty big game mechanic you'd get right away. I mean I get why there wouldn't be a second paper character since it might be redundant for the over world move set . . . but please don't neglect Luigi.
How much do you want to bet that they'll make fun of the fact that Paper Luigi can talk vs. M&L Luigi? :3
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THIS GAME!
MetalSonicReject Was Paper Luigi even in this trailer? Is he going to be absent completely?
I love how everyone's complaining about how this is a poor excuse for a Paper Mario game, when if they had half a brain, they'd realize that this is really just a Mario and Luigi game that has Paper Mario characters.
TheBlimpFruit Dream Team wasn't that great either.
TheBlimpFruit That's why everyone is complaining? You know what this could mean? That PM is dead they picked M&L as their RPG and are attempting to get PM fans into the series. This isn't a true crossover and it certainly isn't a PM game and that's what we wanted.
TheBlimpFruit Really? Actually in this brief overview, it looked a lot more Paper Mario (Especially Sticker Star-esque) than a Mario & Luigi game to me.
sinancothebest Where? It looks like Paper Mario thrown into the DT engine too me. It seems to have similar if not identical mechanics to previous M&L series if not the same. It's seems to be in a M&L DT type of world (for now) The only things I've seen related to PM are within the character itself.
ItsPooly How does this game make Paper Mario dead? Intelligent systems had barely ANYTHING to do with the development of this game.
This looks really fun. I am glad there were a few things I actually liked at Nintendo's E3 this year, which there usually is.
hi yoshimaniac I wach your vids
@@goodvideos149so sad he hasn’t uploaded in quite some time
I just realized.
Paper Mario
Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
Super Paper Mario
Paper Mario: Sticker Star
Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario and Luigi: Bowser's inside story
Mario and Luigi: Dream Team
This game is both of their 5th games.
Oh that's interesting!
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Also the second game in both series's involved time travel
+SEGTINDO64 time travel? I don't see it.
+SEGTINDO64 not time travel but perhaps more likely two dimensions combine.
ON PAPER, THIS SEEMS LIKE A GREAT CONCEPT.
ok i'll leave now
Awesome!!!
Hopefully this game won't tear as I would like to memo it in my 3ds library.
+PKFun Cut it out.
MatPat is going to have a heck of a time explaining this one!
***** Well, you would know Mario :)
FroHungry Actually, it's all magic stuff. Paper Mario and friends come out of a book. Lol. So maybe the Paper Mario universe took place in that book the whole time?
***** Saying that you're a Mario roleplayer breaks the 4th wall
Jp So far it seems like the entire Paper Mario series is a book within the Mario universe. I mean its split into "chapters" with a narrator detailing the game in between. We will have to see how this works out though.
Franknbean I just hope that they bring references from the Paper Mario games, and not just "oh hey they're all Mario and they're paper THAT'S CRAZYYYYYYY"
*WHAT HAS SCIENCE DOOOOOOOONE?!!?*
Crispy Toast
Medic:I have no idea!
Crispy Toast Science has no meaning, nor logic in this game LOL!
Crispy Toast Only, EVERYTHING!!
bozzab
heavy:then what im have ebola then
What is science anymore
The only good thing that came out of Nintendo's E3 Direct.
WHY ARE YOU HATING ON STAR FOX.
Liam Freeman I was excited for Star Fox but then the next thing I watched was the Metroid abomination. Everything I saw before that disappeared from my excite list. It was that bad.
Liam Freeman I'm not a huge fan of Star Fox, Though I'd admit it's a good game, But some people have different tastes you know?
You're forgetting star fox and the new mario tennis
Snackster1001 Unless Rob is like me and doesn't care much for either one of those xD
And not a sticker in sight
Thank god
***** *FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU*
+DatOneRiley Update v1.1
-Adds platforming
-No more XP
-Adds a level-select screen.
*****
No xD. Well, knowing Alphadream, it might be xD.
Thank God, indeed
Why do you care about stickers?
THE HYPE
IS REA...
oh wait, i don't have a 3ds...
:'c
Sad violin
//Insert famous Emo Song here//
T Schro No, song on the world's smallest violin.
ElMasadaYJuegos Get a pre owned 2ds from gamestop its $100
theteamplaya1 Thank god, I almost had a heart attack reading Shiny's comment.
Finally, a crossover between the two rpg series.
I KNOW, RIGHT?
My only disappointment is that this isn't titled "Paper Mario & Luigi".
Paper Mario & Luigi: Legend of the Seven Stars.
Paper Mario & Luigi: The Thousand-Year Legend of the Seven Superstar Sagas in Time.
Billy Moore With knuckles
Mike Tyson's Paper Mario & Luigi: The thousand year legend of the seven superstar sagas inside Bowser's dream door in time team & Knuckles featuring Mr. Dream and Dante from the Devil May Cry series HD remix. Batteries not included. Now with on-disc first day dlc GOTY Edition and amiibo support.
***** nailed it
I hope to god this has interesting original-gen villains. Those guys were the only reason I stuck around these series in the first place. There better be some oblique background reference to Fawful, Antasma, Dimentio, or the Shadow Queen. Or, y'know, a good villain that isn't Bowser.
XerxesTexasToast It is tradition in the M&L series for the final boss to be some form of Bowser. But not in Paper Mario. We'll see when we get more info.
David Jafari I'd prefer it to be something using Bowser than just straight-up Bowser. Dream Team had to declaw Antasma to pull that off, and it was disappointing. Cackletta, Fawful, and the Elder Princess Shroob stuck it out until the end, even when they did have to use Bowser.
TheCrabMiner Sticker star was so terrible that I don't consider it to be a paper mario game. Or even A game for that matter.
XerxesTexasToast Actually, Dimentio would be a perfect choice of villain of this game. Remember, he's the Master of Dimensions, so he could be the reason why the Mario worlds cross-over. But obviously still slim because, ya know, Nintendo.
Andy Navarro Dude... He's dead.
Well look what we have here, the game we didn't know we've always wanted.
Things I want to see in this game:
1. The return of Mr. L! PLEASE!
2. The return of Fawful and Dimentio and they team up and work together. (That would be awesome for story and final boss)
3. Good Battle System. From the looks of it, it seems good. I don't want any Stickers sticking around.
4. New, original, 3-deminsional characters
5. Partners! Please?
6. A good story arc. That's what Mario and Luigi (and Old Paper Mario),are known for
7. Very enjoyable experience. Since its not coming until next Spring I'm sure they're taking there time to make this game great. What do u guys want to see?
AWESOMEZ 395
Partners ? this is a cheap M&L Game , no Partners , Badges or Fun allowed
*****
M&L is just a Handheld Game , not a good rpg with cutscenes like PM2
Minene Uryuu922 (previously deaththekid922) The Mario and Luigi series is a great series of RPG s that are nowhere near cheap. And the M&L series did too have cutscenes. You may have a different opinion and think Paper Mario is better but don't crap on a just as good or arguably even better series of Gamez just because it's on a handheld. You never know, maybe they will incorporate Partners somehow. But even without partners, the M&L series is one of the greatest RPG series (or gaming series on general) I've ever played and they are tons of fun. But once again it's your opinion but you shouldn't crap on other people's opinions.
Miyamoto basically: You want original characters in this game? Too bad!
Well, sadly, aside from the good battle system, none of your wishes came true.
Geno and Mallow, we miss you a lot :(
Hey, it's Square Enix's fault, not Nintendo's.
Nope it's not. Geno and mallow are owned by both Nintendo and square Enix. Square Enix said this in a massage wich means Nintendo are able to use them plus they already did that in super Mario-kun comics without needing square Enix
Axem Red Alawadhi So, it's like the term "Superhero" which is a trademark owned by both DC and Marvel.
***** because he isnt only owned by 1 company just like diddy kong in rareware days
Alexsandro Gonçalves de Magalhães I wouldn't mind a Geno return
I don't even care that it's not a proper Paper Mario game, this is perfect.
Paper Luigi pls???
***** It's more proper than Sticker Star ever wishes to be B)
***** Paper Luigi's probably staying home.
Or maybe off on his own adventure? I'd love to hear about more Waffle Kingdom-esque shenanigans.
ToastyMozart Oooh, what if it were his story being told in the paper storybook?? That would be nice to see!
***** No. No Paper Luigi for you.
MR. L.
+thepuffyspongebob7 [thecooldude6000] It's Mama Paper Luigi to you thepuffyspongebob7 [thecooldude6000
HOLY YES! MY FAVORITE SERIES COMBINED INTO ONE!
OMFG
HYPE
0-10-IGN
Needs more Paper Luigi.
Kirby staph.
Plez, all I want is da Paper Luigi.
When NEED a playable Paper Luigi.
If that happens then they just be copying MaLPIT
Anbu Blacc Or Mr. L
Singular Mouth when you beat the game
Singular Mouth Dose it happen when u beat the game when using Toad mission glitch?
Singular Mouth What level do I need to be I’m at level 30 leaf rank do I need cards?
I swear, we need an HD version for the Switch (honestly, we need an entire collection on the Switch)
Hardest agree ever
THIS IS WHAT IVE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MY WHOLE LIFE
Same here.
"I've have"
Michael L no no no, its ive😁😁😁👍👍👍
JJ546x4EX MxK But is your body ready?
***** MY BODY IS REGGIE
So... am I the only one hoping somehow we get cameos of past characters here?
Seriously, both Paper Mario, and the Mario and Luigi games had great characters (especially the Paper Mario partners, which Sticker Star lacked). It would be great to see some of them again. Even if it's just for a few lines.
#Fawful
_Data_Drain_ I agree! Personally, I'd like actual cameos or even full roles given to: All of TTYD's partners, Doopliss, SPM's villains, TTYD's villains (maybe even the dragon siblings somehow), Beldam and Marilyn, PM's partners, and anyone else that would be really cool like Prof. Frankly, perhaps! :D
_Data_Drain_ *busts through the door, screaming* BEANBEAN KINGDOM CAMEOOOOOOOOOOOS~
...In all seriousness I'd like to see Prince Peasley again, though honestly it was great that they brought back Popple for Dream Team. And hey I'm hyped to see that Starlow (I'm glad she stuck around after Bowser's Inside Story) at least makes a cameo so I guess I shouldn't be too fussy. From what I understand the Paper Mario series needs love anyways.
_Data_Drain_ Judging by how the last Paper Mario's development went down, I doubt we'll see any character from the Paper or M&L series in this.
Dadko I severely hope that's not the case. Both M&L and PM have levels of creativity in worlds and character that sticker star lacked. It'd be nice if they acknowledge games of the past with at least cameos from past characters.
This whole presentation was pretty low in terms of anything major but the smaller things like these were nice overall.
GioGio 黄金の風 I like to think that Starfox was all we needed in terms of major stuff.
TheHumbleFellow Xenoblade and Yoshi's Wolly World are pretty major too.
***** The problem is that none of those were new. We already knew a fair amount about them before, ESPECIALLY Xenoblade. We didn't really learn anything new about it.
***** But they were revealed at E3 last year, so their inclusion in this year's presentation kind of felt redundant. Nintendo has revealed so much of these games already; the wow factor is gone. My problem with the presentation this year is that (regarding the Wii U) it felt like Nintendo, not having anything truly appealing beyond what has already been revealed, just shrugged and shuffled away...
Linkfan99 I guess you're right. The only new thing we learned about the Yoshi game is the amiibo compatibility and the North American release date.
This game is the absolute best. The moments Mario Luigi and Paper Mario share in this game melt my heart. As the #1 Paper Mario and Mario fan, it just makes me so happy to see this game exist. (And every other Mario game.)
If this game does any or all of the following:
*brings back Fawful (or add a new villain; I'm not TOO picky)
*has great exploration that adds to the game, rather than detract
*has a great cast of varied characters, throwbacks or otherwise
*oh, and experience points / leveling up.
Then the Mario&Luigi franchise will surely bring back Paper Mario's reputation to former glory.
...But.... if the game does ANY of the following:
* has sticker-based gameplay that limits movesets
* Makes Bowser completely forgettable (though from the trailer, I think we'll be fine)
* Has Boss Fights that almost REQUIRE a one-use attack (again, stickers)
* Has an absolutely confusing world that is a chore to traverse, rather than promote exploration
*Has next to no characters, or has only Toad NPCs to talk to (which I'm starting to fear will happen, based on this trailer)
*pointless random encounters that only give coins
Then Paper Mario will absolutely ruin the reputation of the Mario&Luigi franchise.
I speak as a fan of both spin-off series, and has played every title in both games. I am both incredibly hyped and incredibly fearful of how this game will turn out.
Fawful theLEGO Imagine Fawful and Dimentio working together. If they do that this game is the best.
All what you said is a dream come true
I have a feeling that bowser will try and use the magic book to resurrect past villens in paper form.
De
+No Name You can't prove that Fawful is dead. What if he somehow survived the explosion and is still in Bowser's body? Maybe the Dream Stone caused Bowser to gain such immense strength because of Fawful?
This game was made by the GODS!
IT'S BEAAAAUTIFUL!!!
PERFECT!!!
Carlos Flare You stole the words from my mouth
Sim, ele é PERFEITO!!! Que delicia de jogo
Come on and slam
and welcome to the jam
This looks much better than the last Mario & Luigi, and Paper Mario games on 3ds. At least Paper Mario is back in a proper RPG.
***** Well, i liked the paper mario sticker star but it would be better with lvls and with partners :)
I didn't mean better than the last Paper Mario games, I mean it was better than both Mario and Luigi: Dream Team, and Paper Mario Sticker Star. Both those games were rather disappointing and tedious for me. Without a doubt the first 3 Paper Mario games were great, but Sticker Star was just terrible, and had horrible replay value.
Zachary Erickson I liked Dream Team's overworld segments and rpg fights, but I did not care for the numerous side scrolling dream sequences, the faulty gyro required controls, the giant battles, the annoying NPCs, and the unskippible tutorial sections.
SpongicX Have you even played Bowser's Inside Story? It as well had tons of 2D side-scrolling sequences and Giant battles that were awesome, but not as interesting as Dream Team's and unlike dream team, Giant battles did NOT have bros./special attacks.
ryhansen1 That's the only one out of the 4 that I haven't played. I had Super Star Saga, Partners In Time, and Dream Team. I liked Super Star Saga the most. While Partners in Time was a fun concept, and had better graphics, that one was a bit disappointing, because it was too short.
Am I the only one who prefers Mario and Luigi over Paper Mario?
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no
***** Applestream Ruben
Great :)
Definitely not.
Nope
Nupe
It's not the turned-based Paper Mario (like TTYD) that I've been waiting for, but it is the next best thing. Amazingly hyped for this game! :)
I expected a new Paper Mario. I expected a Paper Mario for WIi U. I expected a Thousand Year Door 2. I expected the best I think...
Lord Hellsky Don't worry. I did too.
Lord Hellsky Technically, this could be a new Paper Mario :P
Ryan S. I know that this game is going to be great, but i didn't expect Paper Mario to be in. I think that Ninty killed Paper Mario.
Lord Hellsky Ye.. This is more a Mario & Luigi than a Paper Mario... Nintendo wake up and make a real paper mario like the first and the second one !
Koop Channel Exactly, this game is going to be nice but the point of my comment is that I want a new Paper Mario and not the character Paper Mario in a Mario&Luigi game.
I WANT A TRUE PAPER MARIO GAME. LIKE WHY NINTENDO. HERE...I GOT A STORY FOR YOU.
Bowser kidnaps princess peach. Mhm. Mhm. But not for himself. He did it for a new villian called....dr. evil waffle. Ok the name can change. But anyways...mario is on a quest to gather 8 stars which are children to stars of the thousand year door. And along the way...mario collects 64 black stars which he must brings back to some scientist house to purify. The stars become golden and the blackness becomes black gloop and it is preserved in a container for analysis. The purifying of the stars and the 8 stars rescued are enough to open the WORLDDDDDD'S DOOR. OOOOOO sounds nice doesn't it. And it will lead to bowser and dr. Evil waffle. Bowser gets defeated and runs off. He finds the scientist...steals the gloop and brings it back. Dr. Evil waffle tells bowser to drink it and he transform to giga bowser.
I am done with the story for now.
And mario will have 10 partners with 2 being secret. And THE GAME WILL HAVE A 100 LEVELS BATTLING PIT.
get to work nintendo. nao!
***** haha thnx. :)
***** yeah true thnx :) I am glad paper mario gets an appearance tho.
WhiteEmerald1991 Or they can make that Paper Luigi sequel to TTYD. You know the one based on his adventure stories.
ItsPooly oooo that is creative.
I am looking forward to this. :D
This game combine's everyone's paper superstar childhoods into one spicy VG sandwich
Ice Kin Pyris Blitzkrice Very.
The Bowser team up is going to be just like Sonic Generations. Also, shouldn't badass Bowser be able to rip his paper form to shreds
Ice Kin Pyris Blitzkrice Not sure unless Paper Bowser has something.
Like the Star rod
Why there's people complaining about this? It looks amazing!
"This is not a real Paper Mario game, I'm going to accuse you to my mom, Nontendo!" -A "real" Nintendo fan.
Do you think Nintendo is working for you? I mean, yeah, they make games and you pay for those games to play them, but that doesn't mean they're working for you. Don't say stuff like "I didn't asked for this!", because you don't have the rights to say that.
And also, why there's people saying "the Paper Mario series is ded"? From what I know, the last Paper Mario game came for the 3DS, and it wasn't a bad game.
._.
Mario & Luigi is BACK BABY!!
WE ARE SO BACK
I just want paper mario 3, that's all.
like this looks neat but so did sticker star at first.
This was really the only thing from Nintendo's E3 Direct that I actually got excited for.
Paper Bowser vs. M&L Bowser.... man, oh, man, that alone should be entertaining.
9 years later this still is the best
please bring back stuffwell in the next Mario & Luigi RPG he is my favorite Mario character (aside from Fawful...)
BACK TO ADVENTURE!
So does this mean no "Paper Mario Wii U"? There were plenty of rumors of a new Paper Mario title, but is this really it? I love "Paper Mario" and "Mario & Luigi RPG", but I'm a little worried for this cross over. It might be fantastic. I'm going to buy it regardless, but I worry some times. At least "Mario & Luigi RPG" has a real level up system unlike "Sticker Star".
StacheBros Im confident that M&L and Paper Mario can shine together ^_^
Ryan S. You're likely right. But isn't it sad that I felt no hype when I saw this trailer? I am the HUGEST fan of both of these series, and yet I felt no excitement, only concern. Maybe it's because Sticker Star was a bust, and Dream Team wasn't my favorite in the series (Still good, but it had its issues in my opinion).
StacheBros Whatever the case may be, I think this will already put Paper Mario out of that Sticker Star gutter - The battle system is back (since M&L's is really Paper Mario's with a difference or two), it's heavily implied Paper Bowser talks again, and one more character into the usual 2-person play of M&L makes for more puzzle/overworld opportunities :3
Ryan S. There's no denying that this looks WAAAAAYYY better than Sticker Star, but I will admit that there were parts of "Dream Team"s story that I flat out hated. "Dream Team" had the best battle system of its series (except the easy mode option), but I feel it had the weakest story, which is one of the reasons I worry about "Paper Jam".
***** I think it would be cool if there is a paper world and a "real" world to explore. That would be a nice addition to this game!
I PREDICTED THIS A YEAR AGO
I AM SO PLEASED
SuperSethBros "Mario and Luigi: Origami Adventures." Close enough. I still can't believe our prediction came true!
MoMusuArchives As much as I want that to happen, chances are slim. The fair/poor reviews a Japan-only release got in 2012 probably intimidated them from the series, and I doubt they'd bring back the series after the crew was disbanded. …Then again, I said the same thing about a crossover between _Mario & Luigi_ and _Paper Mario…_ Suikoden VI is officially predicted by JustZumBros Studios! …At least, it's predicted by half of JustZumBros Studios...
i predict it too.
Highlight of the show!!! Love the Mario & Luigi series, and now Paper Mario is in it!!!
Fairy Red Well, highlight for me. With the Dream Team, this will not disappoint!
Fairy Red ...What? It's clearly a Mario and Luigi game with Paper Mario elements, and Dream Team was amazing. I don't see how can people find any sticker star-ness in it, it looks GREAT.
Fairy Red There's no sticker stickness what are you talking about...? e.e
Fairy Red Paper Fawful, that'd be great. There has to be a character that caused this dimensional crossing.
Fairy Red But this. Isn't. Sticker Star, It's a game in a series that consistently uses inspiration from the older Paper Marios
This is a game that I would really love to see to come to Nintendo switch because I really enjoyed it on my 2ds and I am super ticked off that I sold it because I absolutely love this game so if Nintendo were to ever bring this game in any sort of way to the Nintendo switch I would be super happy
Please be better than Sticker Star, please be better than Sticker Star, please be better than Sticker Star. I'm counting on you, Paper Jam.
+Wasa The King I never said that it was. Sticker Star just left me so disappointed that I need a good Paper Mario game, even if it's only half of one. Haha!
Nope this game seems WORSE than Sticker Star.
OK hold up.
+Jahziel Taylor How can anything be that bad?
I just did.....
I have lost count of how many times ive watched this
590847
Zack Dawg yeah, but when you think about it, the paper mario series doesnt have luigi fight that much. The only paper mario game he fought it was super paper mario. But i still wanted paper luigi in this game but oh well
RobbyMac64 Mac64 most likely
I love both series so much but this looks like a mess. I (and many others) were looking forward to a Paper Mario Wii U that was in the style of TTYD, but instead...this.
***** I agree. Looks like sticker star shat in its face and left the series in the dirt to rot and be forgotten. But this was only a preview. Perhaps aside from disgraceful gameplay there will be a decent storyline...
FutureScopeX I don't know what you're talking about, Sticker Star's story had such depth and intricate character development.
***** looooool!!
***** nope the first 2 trump superstar saga and partners in time
It will come eventually
I'd be excited for this if it weren't so obvious that Nintendo didn't know what to do with these series so they just mashed them together.
Does Miyamoto just hate RPGs?
Kirsten Großmann Nah, interesting concept to me...
It sure seems that way. I miss the golden ages of the GameCube
Kirsten Großmann I dunno, but I do hope that they make _real_ installments or either series sometime soon.
cutekirby Michael The Awesome! Unlikely, as long as Miyamoto's around. He doesn't want the games to have too much depth or be complex. Sticker Star was going to be like a portable TTYD, but he gave it the thumbs down for that reason.
***** Dude, he was the reason Sticker Star sucked, it was going fine till he messed it up. If he messes up Star Fox hes killed off the franchise. That game has to be good. Otherwise it'll become the next F-Zero.
Reading these comments from 6 years ago just makes me sad
My better boss ideas
Mario and Luigi: the pages of nightmare
Normal bosses
Boom Boom
Paper Wiggler
Goomba King and Megasparkle goomba
Dual Pety fight
Eye rock
Crystal King
Paper Fawful and Dimentio
Mr L
King bob-omb
Kammy Koopa and Paper Bowser
The Underchomp
Bonechill
Smorg
Grodus and Cackletta
Antasma and the shadow queen
Dark Star + Chaos Heart
Super Dimentio and Dark Fawful
Papercraft bosses
Papercraft Hooktail
Papercaft Brobot
Papercaft Gooper Blooper
Papercraft Mr Blizzard
Papercaft Mangus Von grapple
Papercaft Super Dementio
Secret Boss
Smithy (if possible)
What about the shroobs?
not smithy
that likely dry bowser which like M&L dream team secret jr bowser
This is what should have been done. Original characters from both franchises.
Aw Hek it's a Snek
That would be impossible, because Paper Mario is dead, and well, It's technically a M&L game, so it's expected to only have main Mario enemies and the M&L enemies.
This is what saved this conference from being totally underwellming.
2016?! NOOOOOOOO!!!! Who here has played all the Rpgs since Superstar Saga?
So, some thoughts on this.
I hope the original characters, including villains, from the two series will appear, besides Starlow who is in the trailer. My dream game is one in which Fawful and Dimentio team up, but sadly I think, yet again, Bowser will be the antagonist.
Too many Toads, not enough other Paper NPCs such as friendly Goombas, Koopas and original species from the series. Mario & Luigi side of things looks good, I just hope it's actually an RPG and not a glorified Toad hunt (judging from the HUD in most of the footage)
Other than that, this game looks great and I hope to upload a video containing my in-depth thoughts soon.
I would prefer it if they had some entirely new villain. One that hasn't appeared in any game yet.
Jason Jungreis I would love that too. But since this is a crossover it should still be full of references to both series, not just the main series characters and Starlow. Every enemy I've seen so far is from either NSMB or Super Mario 3D series, excluding the classic Goombas and Koopas. Nothing from Dream Team, the first three Paper Mario games, etc.
I think that although Bowser is probably the villain, having both Bowsers team up will make things interesting enough.
Also I'm thinking collecting all of the Toads gives you a new special move.
fawfulthegreat64 Well we've barely even seen any of the game yet, still plenty of room for more enemies.
I actually cried tears of joy when I saw this live.
That answers my question. Paper Mario and Mario ARE different people!
Wait, so this whole time paper Mario was a completely different person than the real Mario!?!? My childhood is aching right now.....
ShitakeMusromSociety i know this makes me feel weird
ShitakeMusromSociety I know. I had always considered the Mario RPGs to be in the same continuity as the platformers, and that the Mario characters were the same all around... but now this? I feel very conflicted about this. I like the idea of crossing over the gameplay styles of Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi (that, in and of itself, sounds like the perfect Mario RPG gameplay-wise), but the notion of Mario and Paper Mario (and their respective cohorts and counterparts) being totally different characters just sounds so... wrong to me, and I think it ruins the extra lore and story elements that the RPGs were giving to Mario as a whole.
KingdomHeartsBrawler I like to think that both universes have had their respective Mario's (and Luigi's) go on the same quests. Just... one universe being more papery.
That is plausible. I don't know... I've always thought it was all in ONE universe, just that Nintendo decided to portray some of Mario's adventures in a papery style, and some others in the wacky Mario & Luigi style.
Oh. My. God.
I haven't been this excited for anything since Super Mario Galaxy.
Two of the best RPG series ever made are joining forces.
All I can say is...
ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, TTYD FANBOYS?!
JoeDan54 Personally, I doubt they're satisfied. Me, on the other hand, is stoked for this. :) I don't care if both series had a bum rap because of a few lackluster games, or it's not what people expected, it's a *flipping* crossover; I can't ignore that! But, it's coming out in 20-flipping-16?! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO TIL THEN!?!?
Aidan Estwick I dunno, Mario Maker and Splatoon look like they'll tide us over pretty well thankfully.
JoeDan54 Right. Back to the game, I'm liking what I see, especially how Paper Mario operates. Now I finally see why fans want him in Smash, and if he is going to be in, Papercraft Mario or the Trio attack ought to be his Final Smash. :)
Aidan Estwick OH yes. And let's not forget repeatedly smacking the Paper Petey into oblivion with your _caps._
JoeDan54 Caps...??? Kinda lost me there. :/ Explain please?
I can't wait to see who the villain is. Paper Fawful? Dimentio? either one of those and I'll buy the game ( I'm going to buy it anyway...)
Paper fawful.
I have chortles.
Rotom2304 It's Bowser(s). Nintendo has gotten pretty lame with the RPGs.
Proto Dan whelp
THE MARIO FANDOM HAS BEEN WANTING THIS FOR YEARS!!!!!! THIS IS PURE HEAVEN AT ITS GREATEST!!! THANK YOU NINTENDO! :D
Brainstorm!
what if the next game was called Mario&Luigi: Rival Ruckus
and you controlled Mario, Luigi, Wario, and Waluigi. You would use the A button for Mario, B for Luigi, Y for Wario, and X for Waluigi.
Dank WindowsXP ) look at a fan game called mario and luigi wariance.
karen hawkins I'll check it out, thanks
Flip the buttons for Wario and Waluigi and I'd say it's a Brilliant idea.
R.I.P. Paper Mario...
Only thing I didn't get was the lack of Paper Luigi. Other than that looks like a solid surprise.
Little did we know, this would kill Mario and Luigi
Which is sad because it was a fabulous game
Well, they were struggling by this point but it was the remakes that did them in.
Glad this comment didn’t age
Thankfully it's not dead forever :)
This is not what killed mario & luigi. The bowser’s inside story remake is what was both this series’ and alphadream’s nail in the coffin
UNTIL THE DIRECT
It's been over 10 years since an actual console Paper Mario game, why not just make Paper Mario for Wii U?
Ye
Is it really too much to ask for a Paper Mario RPG game.
Super was a platformer with RPG elements (Thought it still had the charm of Paper Mario, even if not as good)
Sticker Star was a bare bones turn based RPG, but since it had all the features removed, it didn't feel anything like an RPG. And lacked any of the charm and story of the previews ones.
And now this, which while it looks promising, it is still just Mario & Luigi RPG series with Paper Mario crossovers.
Go back to Thousand Year Door, and build upon that.
Guys,it looks more like a mario & luigi game than pm ss so there will be an exp system, other wise the m&l system wont work
Rick Van Staten its a mario and luigi game but featured paper mario
Yeah, i don't know why people are so scared about the system..
Rick Van Staten maybe they are like me ... they don't know how it will work .... and i want better gaint battle than this
miimario44 You know I'm starting to see your point with the Giant Battles at this point. Bowser's Inside Story and Dream Team had some good reason about having to go giant. In this...Well granted we aren't given much context to how this giant Paper Mario thing was made and why they're here, so it might be better to wait a bit to learn more and get a better context for it, but still at this point I can't shake the feeling the Giant battles are becoming a sort of token element they have to keep bringing in after people liked it in Bowser's Inside Story and it starting to kinda get a bit too silly.
A REGULAR PAPER MARIO GAME WOULD BE SO MUCH BETTER WTF. PAPER MARIO 64 and Thousand Year Door are CLASSICS
Wow... AM I THE ONLY ONE, WHO LIKES THE CONCEPT?!
We are back after 9 years!
Ok,this looks brilliant.
One thing that would possibly make it even more brilliant, though, is Fawful. Fawful has coolness.
This is going to become another Sticker Star.
Benny Trinh No it's not. Nintendo heard the outcry of the fans
kiz epic journey If they REALLY heard the outcry of the fans, we'd get a Paper Mario U along the same vein of 64 or TTYD. Instead, we get Sticker Star x Dream Team.
The fans wanted both a M&L game and a Paper Mario game. Instead we get this which is even better. Who knows, there might be a big part of the game where you're JUST paper mario.
Dalmane I see it as more of a compromise. I mean there are no stickers in sight and it uses a Mario and Luigi style battle system. It also seems to have funny dialog. What we need now is an amazing story and this could be better than any Paper Mario 5/U we could've gotten.
@Franknbean. You forgot there are silent protagonists and talking protagonists. This will make some funny humor and it will just be awesome.
This alone makes me wonder why people are disappointed with Nintendo's E3
Because of the "Metroid" game.
Nintato This makes up for it.
kiz epic journey this will be great...but it really doesn't
It won't be good >:(. IT WILL BE PERFECT!!!
Nintato
bc Sticker Star and Dream Team both were on 3DS instead of Wii (U) and now the next RPG is on 3DS instead of Console
I loved this game. Although it had obvious flaws and it was probably the worst M&L RPG its my favorite out of all the games.
Finally someone understands it!
Finally a paper Mario game that's an actual RPG. Yes it Mario and Luigi but its a crossover and an awesome looking one at that :)
YAY!! Another Mario & Luigi game WITH Paper Mario characters! I love the artwork and music for these games. This game got me most excited at E3!
I wonder if the final boss will be Paper and Normal Bowser Combined? and you have to combine with paper mario to fight him?
That.
Would.
be.
Epic.
Paper fawful and RPG dimentio... OMFG that would be amazing
+Arctic Chill Ummm, you wont believe once you see the final boss..
***** I saw it. I was right.
+Arctic Chill Yep! MEEP MEEP SPOILER ALERT
Just adding all this
For a show more
So that you dont see
The spoiler alert
Ok?
I think im in now
Papercraft Bowser is the final boss, mixing Bowser, and all of the Paper Koopa Troop (including bowser) into a giant bowser with cardboard armor that is so powerful (i dont know either) that all of PM's Trio attacks are countered.
Hey Nintendo, now you should make a sequel to this game having Mario & Luigi return the favor and cross over into a Paper Mario game on a home console so the concept would be the invert of this game's concept and parallel it. Paper Mario is almost always on home consoles and Mario & Luigi is always on handheld consoles, so the game I described that I said you should make would be the complete opposite in every aspect.
I mean, that's cool and all, but what about another game like The Thousand Year Door?
+Vix “Rust” Keyhart THANK YOU SOMEONE UNDERSTANNNDDDDSSSSS
nah dude , that type of gameplay is completly outdated
these games are soooooo freakin good!!
This has the potential to be SO GOOD. I just hope it doesn't suck. Like that other Mario RPG I know.
I can see why Paper Luigi isn't playable, but I wish he had more of a role in the game than an easter egg on the music box...
Nintendo just really hates Paper Luigi. Throughout all 5 Paper Mario Games, (Including this one) we got to play as him for a grand total of 1 and a half chapters of 1 game. Great...
Kyle Ruggieri
Even in Super Paper Mario, where he has a huge impact on the plot, he barely got any attention before the final chapter...
+Ryan's Daily Entertainment They did want to add Paper Luigi, but they thought that adding for buttons to the game would make it hard and frustrating to play, so they stuck with three buttons only.
Buzzy Trombone
Like I said, I totally understand it. I just with he maybe ha an impact on the plot. Like maybe he would be in Peach's castle and give you information or something like that.
Ryan's Daily Entertainment Or he could've had Starlow's role in the game and help out in battles with his juke box.
I'm sure this game will be amazing, and I know this is early footage so it might change in the final game, but I have one huge complaint about this game already. "Sticker Star" did many things wrong, but one of the largest things it approached wrong was its character designs. Miyamoto said he wanted the game to look more "Mario-ized", which meant each NPC, enemy, etc looked like a normal Mario Franchise character. Instead of creative new characters inter mingled with normal Mario Franchise characters shown in every previous Paper Mario title, we got boring, normal characters that we've seen time after time. It looked too familiar, and I hated that about "Sticker Star". I already see that same thing happening in this game. Obviously this might not be the final design, but those Toads look so dang boring. At least we've got creative enemies like that sand monster, but I'm tired of fighting Petey Piranha as a boss. The only exception to the return of bosses like this is if "Paper Jam" had you relive the best bosses/moments from each title (Since Petey is in "Partners in Time" . . . Oh wait, he's in "Sticker Star" for some reason too GAHHHH!!!). That's just my opinion though. And I'm still not sold on how the over world looks. Yes it looks like "Dream Team", but I had issues with that over world too.
***** I thought the stickers were an interesting idea executed poorly. Either way, I prefer the traditional combat in the earlier Paper Mario titles. I think what Nintendo should do is change up their terminology. "Badges" should be called "Stickers", I feel like thats more fitting.
StacheBros This is why I feel it will be the weakest of the five Mario & Luigi games, but I think it will still end up being really good.... unlike one game *cough Sticker Star cough*
StacheBros This is the 10th or More Crossover Game that has Mario and the last one was the DLC with the 2nd Mario kart 8 game I have to say talk about a Animal Crossover.
Marios Gamer Do games like Mario Kart really count though? I'm more talking about full fledged adventure games!
StacheBros I guest but I don't think Smash Bros Count as a Adventure games except for Brawl.
Wait, no Paper Luigi?? They could've made a formula similar to Partners in Time. There are two Marios, so why not two Luigis?
Nintendo, why you do dis?
***** I hope so. They can't just ignore the Paper Thin Green Thunder like that.
***** he talks in his own series and none of the others talk in their games so it would be weird to have 1 character use actual dialog, 2 use italian jibberish, and 1 just doesnt say anything.
MarioWorld Wii Starlow and Stuffwell had conversations with the Bros, and didn't seem wierd. They even translated what the Bros said. I can see them giving Paper Mario a few English phrases, kinda like the babies in Partners in Time.
***** yeah but we dont know what the bros say. also paper mario was mute in all his games.
MarioWorld Wii Haven't you noticed that every time the bros say something in the M&L games, it's repeated by whoever they're talking too? Plus, I doubt most people will care whether or not Paper Mario speaks like the 3d bros, though it's obvious that the decision belongs to Nintendo.
My two favorite games combined together! NINTENDO RULES!!!!!
I love the Mario and Luigi RPG series and the Paper Mario series, so this sounds like a match made in heaven. I am really excited about this and hope it can be released soon. Please Nintendo, and keep up the good work
While I have mixed feelings about this crossover, this isn't really the first time they crossovered franchises. Hyrule Warriors had the same impact, but it ended up doing pretty well. This and SMT x FE (or Persona x FE as a majority of fans call it) shouldn't be any different in terms of mixed/negative reactions during a first trailer.
My only concerns about this game is the quests, and how the enemies actually target the bros instead of having hidden tales of how they attack (and no Paper Luigi.)
Aside that, there are a few good things I like about this: A PM game where battles aren't completely pointless, Paper Bowser can finally talk again, the Trio Attacks are pretty interesting, and the Papercraft Mario battles seem unique enough to not be another carbon-copy of the Giant Battles.
Both series have their pros and cons: The PM series has interstingly unique and bizzare levels, engaging stories and characters. M & L have some very great humourous writing, quirky stories, slightly better music, and the battles have a bit more depth.
The PM series though have some very text heavy cutscenes (Looking at you, Super Paper Mario), and the M & L series suffered from long tutitorials, not just Dream Team.
Plus, PM only had 2 great games, one that was pretty decent (even though Super Paper Mario had a better story and villians), and one that was really...dull. The M & L series never really had a bad game. Even though people say PiT was the SS of the series, it was still a fairly fun game.
Aside from all this, we'll just have to wait and see how this game actually turns out.
+Pit ピット I didn't think that there would be a Mario & Luigi crossover with Paper Mario. That open up possibilities for what crossovers they can think of next.
1.) Mario & Luigi: Legend of Zelda Chronicles; Mario and friends are visiting Neo Hyrule, where modern technology coexist with the races of the golden eras of Hyrule. When Ganondorf of Moblin Industries learns of his ancestors Triforce of Power, the Mario Bros. and Modern Link team up to awaken the sages' descendants' powers to stop him. The Battle style will be just like this game, with Link and the Mario Bros. Combining powers of his ancestors to create what I like to call "Triforce Attacks". Princesses Peach and Zelda can work behind the scenes to look into what Ganondorf is planning and assist the heroic trio.
2.) Mario & Luigi: Shonen Jump Heroes; The Mushroom Kingdom was put under a curse that fuses their world with various worlds for popular Shonen Jump Manga series. With the help of the Main duo of Good Luck Girl!, Ichiko Sakura and Momiji, Mario and Luigi must break the curse by not only harnessing the powers and abilities of characters of famous mangas like Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and the like, but also collect the Seven Dragon Balls scattered throughout the kingdom to Summon Sherron to break the spell. This adventure can also include Mangas and Animes not found in the Shonen Jump series, Like Sailor Moon, Ouran High School Host Club, even Square Enix animes like Black Butler and Fullmetal Alchemist.
3.) Mario & Luigi: Bravely Default; A retelling of the Bravely Default storyline with a Mario & Luigi twist. Combine Fast-paced Action Commands with the Brave and Default system. Mark the return of Mellow and Geno for two Four Man teams with Mario's group and the Four Heroes of Light. Add Mario RPG Humor to the story like having Bowser battle against the Eternia army for title of World's Best Antagonist.
+Pit ピット To be honest I think Partners in time was a great one. I've played most of the M&L games so far (I haven't played Superstar Saga, and I haven't played Paper Jam, duh), but my favorite was probably Bowser's Inside Story. Unfortunately I've only played one of the Paper Mario games, being Super Paper Mario, and while I do think it is kind of text heavy in some parts, I'm a fairly speedy reader, so it wasn't a big deal to me. I've heard Sticker Star was horrible, and from what I've seen I'm sure it is horrible, but I don't really know how to feel about this game. It looks like it will be fun, but I'm kind of afraid that there won't be much diversity in the NPCs, and I also don't like how the M&L franchise has you spamming buttons when you use Bro/Special moves. Overall I think it'll be interesting to play, but I'm gonna wait and see some reviews before buying it (obviously I know it won't come out until next year ._.).
+Mr. Shiny Pikachu Why does everybody say Sticker Star is horrible? For me it was decent.
Denis Santos I don't know. I haven't played it.
Rip alphadream
And even though I am super hyped for this game, I will always view it as yet another missed opportunity for the Mario Bros to be forced to team up with the Wario Bros. Not only would that give Waluigi a starring role of some sorts, but just think of the slapstick humour with having Luigi, Wario AND Waluigi constantly around. Make this happen Nintendo!
bowserboy3 I don't want Wario and Waluigi. They suck in my opinion.
We all got to thank Luigi for knocking down the book which release paper mario,paper Bowser,and more!
I don't care about Paper Mario but I love me some Mario and Luigi after how awesome Inside Story was.
This better not suck like Sticker Star did... Why can't they just make a Paper Mario game the way they were MEANT to be? Just make a game in the same vein as the N64 and GC versions. Jesus, it's like they don't want our money
0:55 GOLDION HAMMMMMEEEERRR!!!!!
It's nice to see both paper mario and mario & luigi to slam some action in one game
FireBomberBassist I have the golden hammer in that game XD
neato
+Vega Voverth Oh hey Vega, didn't think you'd be hear. Any new Game Grumps animations anytime soon? XD
I didn't think that there would be a Mario & Luigi crossover with Paper Mario. That open up possibilities for what they can think of next.
1.) Mario & Luigi: Legend of Zelda Chronicles; Mario and friends are visiting Neo Hyrule, where modern technology coexist with the races of the golden eras of Hyrule. When Ganondorf of Moblin Industries learns of his ancestors Triforce of Power, the Mario Bros. and Modern Link team up to awaken the sages' descendants' powers to stop him. The Battle style will be just like this game, with Link and the Mario Bros. Combining powers of his ancestors to create what I like to call "Triforce Attacks".
2.) Mario & Luigi: Shonen Jump Heroes; The Mushroom Kingdom was put under a curse that fuses their world with various worlds for popular Shonen Jump Manga series. With the help of the Main duo of Good Luck Girl!, Ichiko Sakura and Momiji, Mario and Luigi must break the curse by harnessing the powers and abilities of mangas like Dragon Ball, Naruto, One Piece, and the like.
I just want normal, FP, and SP attacks. Amazing blocking techniques with A and B, badges to boost skills, and partners to fight with in an amazing story. Please Nintendo, I hope one day we'll get a 64 & TYD feel with any next Paper Mario game. But this isn't bad either.
I hope paper jam redeems it self from its predecessors
M&L dream team: was preatty good but weakest out of all the ML titles
Paper mario sticker star: yea lets all forget this game ever existed
Dream Team the worst. So far I would say Paper Jam is the worst.
Max Powers dream team was great. It hit all the good factors, new characters, good storyline, challenging gameplay, actually new boss battles, etc. although it may not be as good, it still sparked a good spot in M & L. And the soundtrack was the best aswell.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MINE TOO PLEASE, I AM SO PUMPED UP FOR THIS GAME!
+RedBird 1253 Now that the game is out, do you guys like it?
3 Words...I LOVE IT!
The comments here did not age to well did they.
And thankfully, these comments also didn't age well
WE ARE SO FREAKING BACK BROS
This, Mario Maker, and the Zelda Multiplayer game are probably my 3 favorites.
Mario & Luigi RPG 5 + Paper Mario 5 = Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam!