Why Deadmau5 Hates Dubstep
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- Deadmau5 sits down to discuss his new record, Album Title Goes Here, reflect on his career, and explain why he hates dubstep.
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I love the way people don't even realize that he's hating on where dubstep has gone, not on the concept of the genre in and of itself.
+DJtrainman261 Or that dubstep was pretty new then, and just the horror game "jump scare" of EDM
+zkrjebril92 KDrew has some nice songs.
+reshi pn love me some Benga, The Bug is awesome too.
+DJtrainman261 taht's why we have Bassnectar, Skullex dropper LOL. Skullex gone too main stream and gone off with 'new' style of 'dub step' but Bussnectar on the other hand, pure art...
+DJtrainman261
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I started watching this, but then I quickly realized I don't care why Deadmau5 hates dubstep.
love you
Normally people realize this before trying to watch the video. Are you applauding his slow reaction?
Kyle Gunby I don't even listen to Deadmau5 lol
Kyle Gunby this is so true
Kyle Gunby same I'm only here cause t was in my recommended cause I watched the video of the song he did with Gerard Way in it
I love the fact that he is so attentive to the engineering side of things, and making sure everything fits together sonically. I think a lot of the edm world can be really lacking in that area.
Animal look up g Jones or must die! And hear that the mixing of those songs is the artists expression meaning it’s done on purpose the way it is. And yes it does fit together sonically, there is bad dubstep and good and if ur a producer u can tell which ones take skill
@@CHXNGRXM you think a deadmau5 fan is going to like g jones on a video where deadmau5 says he doesnt like dubstep? Lol good luck.
video starts at 4:20
thanks a lot mate 1 min in i was searching for this
Woah, I thought you were just trying to revive an old meme with that but that's actually it lol
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He says dubstep has no dynamics? Omg.. Good dubstep is one of the hardest shit to produce.
and what is good dubstep to you?
zomboy abusing limiters and has no dynamics? oh my fucking god, if you dont know shit about anything in music production you should shut the fuck up and listen to zomboy again. get a lesson boy really thats not even funny man
***** Stfu, I work in studio everyday too and everything you said is total bullshit. Zomboy was a sound engineer before he started making music and he can really make the sounds that he want to just by listening to another sound. Just because dubstep uses alot of screamy, distorted sounds doesn't make the whole song screamy, distorted and non dynamic, the kicks, snares, chords and everything else are just as dynamic as other genres.
even IF you would work in a fucking studio you dont know shit about anything. I hate to talk about myself but just check my profile to see that I know shit about music and production and by the way...Im waiting for a recreation of a skrillex or zomboy song....pick the "easiest" even and show me your mixing skills bro
yea, especially zomboy song sounding clean as fuck...Im not saying he makes better heavy electronix music than skrillex but he has a better nose for sounding clean as fuck
The problem is people just don't know how to find good dubstep artist's. There aren't only Skrillex and Knife Party
Three ... Chime. Crankdat. Virtual Riot. And more
I do agree with him honestly. The 2013 dubstep scene was lit af but the actual riddim scene which every artist doing right now really sucks.
The best Electronic artist in my opinion who covers dubstep/complextro and other genres is Aleksander Vinter/Savant (His main alias is Savant) He has Autism and has supposedly created over 10000 individual songs. He's basically stopped making electronic music though with Savant. But Savant has over 15+ full length albums and this is starting from 2012 so that's saying a lot.
James Moore ........ 10000 not even the Chemical Brothers have 10000 tracks. Jesus i already knew who Savant is but I had no idea he made that many skngp
people need to try "soltan". he's on another fucking level
He doesn't hate dubstep. He hates the escalating loudness of it. It continues to get worse.
There's an escalating loudness in music, several studies have been done on it, and yes, it's very irritating.
Robert Miles I like loud music as much as the next guy, but there are boundaries and thresholds
You can say that again
New title: deadmau5 complains about bad song mastering
That's more like it.
Every single clip on him ever could have that title
He's saying that he hates the sound engineering of dubstep, not dubstep itself. I'm saying this just in case another person decides to make a stupid comment on his appearance or whatever. I don't even listen to his music, but his statement is pretty true. Mainstream dubstep around 2012 used to be overcompressed for "easy listening" and loudness, therefore creating a mushy sound and eliminating the dynamics of the tracks. Since dubstep was very hip, people, especially kids, were listening to dubstep everywhere, on crappy speakers or mediocre quality earphones, so producers had to adapt and compress everything and suppress the dynamics, as it's customarily done on the radio.
RhythmAddictedState
Many people still do it. Skrillex fkn dies it in all his tracks, look at the 2 new ones Mumbai Power and Fuji Opener,
he compressed the crap out of them... but it still sounds good anyhow, so maybe thats the art haha
PS: i love how TH-cam will remind you of that comment you forgot you posted 2yrs ago
@@lupsik1yeah that second drop on mumbai power is so blown
TechhX
99% sure thats on purpose, sounds like heavy distortion not just clipping but im not a producer so maybe smn else could chip in all i know is i love that moment for some reason
@@lupsik1 Ya I agree with you. Of course dubstep nowadays is in your face and stuff but thats how the artists want it to be. Yes a lot of sounds are mistakes and just sin waves following patterns of effects where you don't really have an idea how it'll exactly turn out, but even when you get the sound you like you need to clean it and shape it the way you want it to be. Take an artist called Eliminate for example. In many videos he agrees when he's sound designing he doesn't exactly know what he wants and exactly what he's doing, but when he gets a sound he still need to incorporate it well in the song. Otherwise it wont go down well. I feel dubstep is also the ability to build an atmosphere. I am someone who enjoys producing dubstep but its bloody hard to get the sounds I want. And I'm not that new in the area of sound design, its been like a year and a half for me. Sorry its so long. I'm just super passionate about electronic music. And all music in general actually.
@@dhruvmallipatna3467 year and a half is nothing man, keep it up! 💪
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+turbominator you sir, are a saint.
stupid deadmau doesnt know what the fuck is dubstep
+REVOLT Huy dead mow cinco
Thanks!
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i like that he isnt a complete pop sellout like other EDM producers
Lol
He makes just as much money from copyrighting all these artists that sample his music I would think. Could name a handful of the most popular artists.
People complaint about sellouts are still on the bottom line. Haters. Same as the people that hate in David Guetta and his form of success … but the fact is you can’t do what he does and don’t have the opportunity….
@@NekoMoN1337 people who use the word haters still exist?
@@arte0021 a hater is a hater what world do you live in people always hate on artists for a reason they believe makes them feel cool
Actual producers/engineers agree with him.
Shrek Ogreton are you saying that dubstep producers aren't actual producers? Are you too deep for dubstep?
Wil Dodge Found the non-producer. No, we aren't saying they aren't "real producers". What deadmau5 is referring to here is their lazy method of mixing and mastering, where instead of getting a solid mix with good dynamics and then doing tasteful mastering to better solidify the whole song, they just do a lazy mix, then throw a fucking L1 on it, slam the threshold down, and put it straight on sound cloud. You're destroying your dynamics, destroying subtly, and slapping every serious engineer in the face, but hey, it's loud, so most dumb kids won't care anyway.
It's easy to jump on that bandwagon though, but truth is not every dubstep producer is that stupid and dynamic range is treated professionally in many tracks..but the twist is that it still sucks lol. It's not just the differences that a person experienced in audio can distinguish. Deadmau5 is just giving a politically correct reason that resonates well with the "truheads" he aims at. If you pick a dubstep track he hates though, a proper mix isn't going to make him love it.
squaku s Of course they're "not all" like that, but it's a big enough trend to make the statement valid.
***** Always the ignorant ones being the first to call others so. Never before or since dubstep was there such a trend of lazy use of mastering limiters to cheaply get a mix sounding loud. Everyone who was actually a part of the scene and knew anything about production when "brostep" blew up around 2010 will tell you that; and it makes perfect sense, seeing as it was more or less the first time electronic music production was such a massively accessible thing, meaning young amateurs were putting out tracks left and right.
To call deadmau5 a "lazy" producer is the epitome of ignorant horse shit. Listen to deadmau5' "While 1
Daft Punk for the win. They inspired everyone. EVERYONE!
top kek
No they didnt they arnt even really edm more like electronic rock
CoolGuyMagilacudi if you wanna go that far you should say people like A guy Called Gerald and Marshall Jefferson and 808 State. THOSE guys started House music.
chad nolan They ve founded the way how deadmau5 or Daft Punk are producing their songs.
Kraftwerk were the first eloctronic musicans
yes i agree gucci bro but i listen to daft punkt and its like remixed gutar
He's talking about the dynamic of dubstep music..hes not saying its shit, just that it generally sound cheap because how they mix and master, hes an audio engineer, get some respect.
All these butthurt people in the comments who have absolutely no idea what he's talking about or what a limiter is. He's right, regardless of what you think of him or his music.
ok... this is 2012. The guy is shit and produce shit since that, so your comment, his, are a big FAIL ! He is the worst DJ i ever seen live... people walk out early and he do nothing special to his shows except his big goofy mouse head and his stupid rubik cube. He basically play CD and do nothing else.
Gilbert Noreau Thank you for proving my point.
Sorry Mr DJ. I forgot only 1 in 1 million people are actually DJs ... not.
Who are you calling a DJ?
Alex Niedt omg you know what's s fruity limiter and sausage fattener. Weldone
deadmawfive
Shhh
its pronounced Deadmouse actually
BOY I ODDA!!!!
SLAP YOU
Xavier Murphy its funny. theres one live recording you actually hear someone in the crowd shouting deadmaufive
exactly how i said it the first time i read it
I learned guitar at 9 years old, self taught myself the piano at 14, how to remix in acid x press at 15, how to produce rap/trap in fl studio at 18, how to play the violin in my 20’s and to be honest making dubstep is the most difficult endeavor that I’ve embarked on.
As someone who was a classically trained cellist but also a drummer and pianist I would agree that dubstep is one of the most difficult genres of music to produce. Writing a symphony is creating the emotion with the instruments provided, but with dubstep, you have to make those instruments yourself from the ground up. Not for the faint of heart.
Aright let’s get back to topic gentlemen. Stop making it about yourselves
People are so nice to him because they show him the best of themselves right out the gate. That's just what happens when you meet someone like Deadmau5. It would be an honor to meet the guy one day.
I can't really disagree. I think if you really narrow your definition of dubstep down to what is really dubstep and you take out the big acts who actually have engineers and technical know-how, he is right. That said, I still find dubstep infinitely more interesting than his music. To me, I heard all of deadmau5's tracks in the 90's and I can't figure out why he is so popular beyond the mouse head.
I mean that I agree with what he is saying about dubstep (at least the most narrow genre definition of it) in that it has gotten into a "loudness war" like what happened in rock 20 years ago. That said, I don't like Deadmau5's music. It just sounds very behind the times, like music that was common in the 90's and speculated that his success is largely about the highly identifiable mouse head.
Dude, it has nothing to do with the music and whether it is complex or not or good or not. And yes, there is a loudness war in dubstep. Its not an opinion. Anyone can throw tracks onto a visualizer and you can see it. I love Barely Alive. I love dubstep, much more than I like Deadmau5. For some of the larger dubstep artists it is likely that it isn't even the artist who is mastering the track loud. But it does have an impact. You have a finite peak level on any recording. To push it beyond that peak, certain engineering techniques have to be used which reduce the overall clarity of the song. Believe me, I am not saying I like Deadmau5 more than dubstep (I pretty much said so in my original comment). I just wish more artists/producers/engineers would leave the volume level to me and master at lower amplitudes so their tracks were more crisp.
I am still not sure you know what I mean by "loudness". It has nothing to do with the song being mastered. You can over-peak an ambient track, or even just a recording of someone talking. If you are listening to a bunch of different tracks, and then suddenly the next track sounds very loud even though you didn't turn up the volume and it causes the sound to get kind of crackly sounding, that is what I mean by "loudness". It is a mastering technique, not anything to do with the song.
His music is quite boring on bad speakers, fun to listen to on my dance system
Xtrullor- Beautiful chords, perfect sound design, phenomenal buildups, and GODLY drops,
Wow, a guy has a negative opinion about something, let's call him arrogant, pretentious and other stupid fucking things because we don't share the same opinions, wah wah, cry me a river. To be honest, he seems like a normal guy with very good self-esteem and self-confidence, as an artist should have, and I agree on his views on dubstep to 100% mainly because I'm used to the old-school sound of '07-'09 before this wave of this grindy, "filthy" dubstep came up and kind of "ruined" the whole sound of dubstep.
Thank you good sir! the truth has finally been spoken. and yeah, deadmau5 is awesome
WorldsDeepestBass
If only he doesn't smoke (or curse). :/
So what if he smokes and curses? How does that make him arrogant, may I ask?
K Boyd
Those aren't my criteria, actually. I just in general don't like people who smoke or curse. I lose respect for them because they couldn't make better life choices.
Whether or not I think he's arrogant is unrelated.
***** Cursing gets a little on my nerves, and smoking (celebrities-wise) makes me worried for their health :/ I don't want him to get cancer :( But I do agree with you.
Commercial American Dubstep*
The real original dubstep is the complete opposite.
balleur Yes we know, WE ALL FUCKING KNOW! HOLY SHIT!
balleur I'm sick and tired of these people who separate "Real Dubstep (Chillstep)" and Brostep. They're the same broad genre, just different styles
They're really not the same broad genre. 'chillstep' is an American word for any dubstep that doesn't sound like optimus prime farting....it's not a thing in the UK here at all, because it's not chilled out in the slightest! It's super energetic, and minimal. It's important for us over here to make sure that dubstep doesn't get forgotten about amidst huge commercial success with brostep across the pond.
Damn, you scare people away when you present information like this.
@@billharpum6600 I live in California and you're 100% right. I wish dubstep was known for the UK deep heavy bass minimal sound instead of brostep...
I like how he has a reason to dislike dubstep due to his roots. Instead of everyone else's usual complains of "ew its dubstep".
Alex Hicks Yeah. Or better yet, he wasn't the people who were just like: "Meh it's just all noise!"
People say the same about heavy metal...
+Organized Chaos Well heavy metal is actually complete shit, same with dupstep.
Veritas Absoluta Dubstep is ok,and has some hidden gem artists such as Xtrullor and Canonblade
John calm the Fuck down. Kpop fan
@@jcaique
No u
He doesn't hate Dubstep. He hates shitty producers that are bad at their job and then make false accusations about Deadmau5's sound getting 'special treatment' during a show and stuff like that. :D
I used to hate dubstep too but somehow something changed and now i love listening to it and produce it xD
Deadmau5 makes me happy. Seriously the music lift's me up when no one else is there.
To hear it: , then go to 4:45.
To see it: Pause the video, then drag the red scroll thingy at the bottom to 4:45.
You're welcome xD
he wears the same clothes as an edgy 12 year old
Him and the people around him created that style
Illiya Korniyenko just as your comments make you look like one
nah lol edgy 12 y/os wear the same clothes as him
Sponsorships. He's more than likely getting paid to rep these brands, so who cares really.
Illiya Korniyenko hE WeArs THe SAmE ClOtHs As aN EdGy 12 YeAr OlD
when will people recognize that music is so subjective someone else's opinions shouldn't hold any impact whatsoever
never
Opinions should always hold impact. Without opinions there would be no change
I love this guy. He basically said "people bug me and treat me like I'm amazing even though I don't know them, but I play along with it and don't act like a dick." Like I've performed live and had people come up and fangirl and treat me like I'm extra special for the 10 minutes after I walk off the stage, and it feels good, but I can't imagine having everyone do 3 times that behavior ALL THE TIME. And if you were mega-famous there'd be no way to know if people are your friends because they want money/connections or if they really have your best interests at heart and want to get to know you.
You guys gotta realize that dubstep has changed alot. Its not as it was in 2012.
And this video came out 2012 so idk wym bruff
And that it existed before that and was competely diffent, deep, dark… go find some old artist skream or coki I would recommend.
@@playercore7444 Now dubstep turned to riddim.
Here after Deadmau5 was headbanging to Subtronics’ remix to “Escape”
that was so epic i actualy teared up, deadmau5 was my first love when learning about edm in general and subtronics is one of my favs at the moment
The reason lots of people hate Dubstep is because they think Skrillex is dubstep God or something. No he isn't there are heaps of artists out there that are better than him.
And besides I'm not that of a big fan of pure WUB WUB dubstep. I like Melodic Dubstep like Seven Lions and Sirensceol
DubStepGutter subscriber ^ I seen you before boy
I'm fuckin everywhere
Yee...I'll be watching
I am a subscriber too..
I've heard Skream he's pretty good, definitely better than Skrillex. But as I said before I like things with more melody to it.
I realized 12 seconds in that I don't actually care.
..thank you for sharing
so i decided to read the cooments.
Seulgibear🐻 me too
I hate electro house
Marshmello is mediocre
My friends are like "dead MOW 5 makes the awesomest Dubstep music" It's sad
dead mau five is his name harse
kwakedesigns that's what he's saying. His friends pronounce it like that.
Dubsteps with good melodies are where it's at.
Not a riddim guy, I see?
awww yeah tell me more.. kids these days
seven lions ftw
Warmice That's why I'm here too
I can only listen to some Chillstep stuff. I hate when they overkill bass drops and like glitches and random shit. It needs melody and just a pinch of soul.
I find it funny how he says that pretty much dubstep producers have no clue about music.... My personal opinion, Dubstep is the hardest electronic Genre to producer. Why? Because of the sounds, it may takes hours just find, and make one sound, that you might only use three times in the whole song. I suck at dubstep, I've attempted once at making it. and it fucking sucked, so I stuck to chillstep. I'm a huge fan of Deadmau5, so I'm not hating on him, I just disagree with his opinion.
Its really not hard to make a dub step bass synth in massive. literally takes ~5 minutes per sound. If you are working with FM8 up to ~15 minutes. Just realize that it takes a long time to learn a synthesizer and what to do to make each sound specific to each genre you may work with.. and once you are comfortable with it, its super easy. Anyone can argue that any genre is the hardest to produce, but that is mainly due to personal lack of experience in the area.
IDM, please. (inb4 idm is just random shit thrown together) If you say that, I could say the same thing about dubstep >.>
dubstep is way to easy... house is way harder, because of melody, dubstep is just many bad voices thrown together, and burned, meanwhile the produsers add a little kick, and kicks, those are problems
He never said that. Watch the video again.
ImKaso No. To you, probably, sure. But literally it comes down to personal experience. I didn't start producing and was able to come up with melodies that were layered across three different synths that I knew exactly how I wanted each one to sound before I even had the melody in a piano roll - it came with lots of practice and enjoying every second of it. What I'm saying is that melodies don't justify difficulty. Also, even if it did, dubstep truly has some kickass melodies. Obviously there are sub genres to both (dub step and house), and in some, the melodies are less impressive but it focuses on different elements of the sound.
As I said in the beginning, TO YOU, IT IS LIKELY 100% TRUE. But it is all SITUATIONAL and OPINION.
This is the only reason I reply: I don't like listeners (and especially fellow producers) to believe that their opinion is truth for all. Make sense? Kk. Cool. Good talk.
Even though i don't like dubstep, i find Deadmau5 to be a musical snob.
***** technically that is exactly what dubstep is wobbles crushed thru a limiter... i made some good wobbles once and was actually amazed of how easy it is... like, its wayyy harder top make good ambient house music than filthy dubstep.
He's not a snob at all, he's just incredibly realistic. His views haven't been altered and narrowed by being famous like everybody else has. He still believes everything he's always believed, he still has the same views and opinions on the world and he isn't afraid to keep them secret from people. In his eyes he's just a normal guy that makes music that a lot of people buy and listen to. He's right about dubstep, and DarXiar's right about it being easy to make. Plus, this horrible high-pitched screechy dubstep that is usually related to Skrillex is even worse and even easier to make. The good stuff, the stuff that could be done very intelligently (Fabrication - Emalkay a good example) has died out. It's not hard to be a dubstep producer anymore.
I find him to be full of himself and a complete hypocrite when answering the question on whether or not he likes being treated differently
DarXiar7 Dubstep requires more than fucking 2 wobbles any good dubstep song has hundreds of different sound effects and sounds.
Not gonna lie, dubstep songs that are 99% screech are complete garbage. It's like as if someone put your head next to an active blender full of scrap metal with a container made of shitty aluminum.
Songs like Flinch's "Light it Up" are okay
OKAY, UPDATE PEOPLE. I don't GENERALLY hate dubstep. It's actually one of my favorite genres. I just dislike dubstep songs where it screeches out of melody for the entire duration of the song
Gonna go resample that now xD
Than sir, you've probably didn't search good enough and have never heard of the artist Tristam.
Sebastian Poortman TRISTAM IS AWESOME
it's equally as bad as that really obnoxious trap music, dang man what the heck you combined really edgy rap music and dubstep, ouch
Sebastian Poortman Dude I'm talking about dubstep songs that can hurt your ears with their overly reliance on high pitched screech. Not really dubstep in general
The reason why I like dubstep is because threw my eyes its energetic and *the only way I can describe it as* it opens up the soul spiritual but not calming like shows who you are that's why I like dubstep
It all depends on what kind of dubstep do you hear, clearly, Joel only listen's to commercial dubstep
I like Skreamizim Vol 1 for chillax dubstep.
guero osvaldo it's funny because 99% of people associate commercial dubstep with skrillex, but he ain't dubstep at all
+Ludo Pisces And that's funny because 99% of the people who say Skrillex isn't Dubstep have no damn clue on what he supposedly produces.
brostep
It was clearly a comment on the majority of commercialised dubstep music, which is an important commentary to make. I'm sure he still appreciates that there are good artists producing quality music within that genre.
0:50 Those biceps though...
Hah
+Austin Wiebe Its called drugs
And those tattoos.....?
He's huge
+Eddster6 CocoBiceps
Lol kinda ironic. The greatest dj of all time hates dubstep
He's a producer, not a DJ, when will people get this >.>
Litruv Hes also a DJ..
He's not the greatest DJ of all time. Nobody is, and if someone were to be, it would either be Tiesto or Armin van Buuren.
not the greatest but one of the most well known.
*****
what? so now im not allowed to listen to deadmau5 and comment? also i played minecraft since 1.0 and alpha so stfu
deadmau5 is the smartest EDM Musician out there.
Get Scraped is still my favorite deadmau5 album :D... That album has some seriously unappreciated tracks... "Edit your friends", "Bored of Canada" and "The oshowa connection" are fenomenal
Deadmau5 actually hates everything
I do too lol
Wtf shut up
Well you hate this video
Lol tru dat
I Hate Dubstep because it sucks
His dubstep for 4x4=12 is pretty much what he talked shit about.
I don't give a shit.
Exactly, now Deadmau5 plays noisia’s remix of raise your weapon. ( it’s dubstep not dnb)
He hates brostep not dubstep. I bet he doesn't know what (uk) dubstep actually is like most people in these comments.
Yep. Beat me to the punch. The comments are either:
1. People saying they like it but then name non-Dubstep artists.
2. People saying they hate it and naming non-Dubstep artists they hate.
3. Comments saying that Skrillex ruined Dubstep when he has nothing to do with Dubstep.
It doesn't help that Grime MCs and UK rappers collaborated with him, it only causes more confusion. These people heard a sensationalized sound that was popular around 2011 - 2013 and either liked it or hated it, but never questioned it or bothered to find out if it was true.
I don't think he's talking about Dubstep as a whole as much as he's talking about the result of the impact. He's got a point and even though I am a huge brostep fan, what he is saying is correct. I feel this is sort why Big Room got so big as well, cause it's all about that aggression, that power, that "Everything louder than everything else" concept
I enjoy the new style of dubstep and the old style. House is something im getting into with this artist named JOYRIDE.
Im only really into dubstep as for electronic music, but man hot drums is fkn good xD
by old style you mean 90's dubstep?
mostly every thing before 2012
i love joyryde as well! you should maybe check out people like JAUZ, EPHWURD, Drezo or Moksi if you like that kinda style :)
bro check out ghastly hes amazing
Just because dubstep uses alot of screamy, distorted sounds doesn't make the whole song screamy, distorted and non dynamic, the kicks, snares, chords and everything else are just as dynamic as other genres/songs. I'm starting to question Deadmau5's knowledge in sound engineering.
He's talking about your average Skrillex/Zomboy/Virtual Riot track which is brickwalled to death. For example, I selected some random tracks to compare the dynamic range. One from Skrillex (Scary Monsters and Nice Sprites), one from Virtual Riot (Au5 - Follow You ft. Danyka Nadeau (Virtual Riot Remix)) and one from Darude (Sandstorm). Sandstorm had an average of -7 dB RMS at the chorus, Virtual Riot's track had an average of -3 dB RMS at the drop and Skrillex's had an average of -2 dB RMS at the drop. You don't need to have a deep knowledge in sound engineering to understand that a track that has a -2 dB RMS average is brickwalled.
duskline the - 2 may come from the overly distorted bases and maby because skrillex songs are played on the radio and needs to be in commercial volume. If you are going to compare something compare the melodic parts of the songs and not the drop because I can asure you that they will be exactly like any other genre.
And how the fuck can you compare a track that came out 9 years ago with one of Skrillexs first songs which came out like 4 years ago. If you are going to compare it to something do it with bigroom or trap.
***** "...the - 2 may come from the overly distorted bases and maby because skrillex" Mate, even if you compare it to a thrash metal song (Megadeth - Hangar 18) the track usually is not above -6 dBFS RMS
"...maby because skrillex songs are played on the radio and needs to be in commercial volume." Totally false, commercial dynamic range usually is not above -7 dBFS RMS. "...If you are going to compare it to something do it with bigroom or trap." Why someone would do that? Most of them are brickwalled to death, . "... If you are going to compare something compare the melodic parts of the songs and not the drop because ..." I compared, the most "melodic" part of the song (Virtual Riot's one) had an average of 5.2 dBFS RMS, and compared to a track ( KOAN Sound - Infinite Funk) that came out in 2014 (Because you were salty as shit when i selected an old song) had an average of -10 dBFS RMS. I like the genre, but I if someone told me that the tracks are too loud, I would totally understand them.
duskline Well if you say Bigroom and Trap is also "brickwalled to death" I agree with you, it's not only dubstep making overly compressed songs. But you should really compare Knife Party if anything and their latest album. Rob swire, the main guy in Knife Party is a complete mixing genius, he has worked with everything from dubstep to metal and knows exactly what he is doing.
Proof: Direct- Free My World
*For the people who don't understand:* he didn't say he doesn't like the music. His problem is with dynamic range compression. Search for it on TH-cam, but it's the difference between not liking a movie and not liking bootleg movies recorded in theaters.
He says he don't hate the culture nor artists but says he hate the sound.
The reason why dubstep sounds like it sounds now (beside the 3% of good stuff) is because of the culture and artists. Artists focus on the desire of the loudest voice which is the voice of ppl who don't know shit and who aren't even proper dubsteppers, they'll switch to another genre when they got enough of it etc etc
Well meh, all I know is dubstep didn't sound like transformers having sex till it got massive attention all around the world. There's still this '3%' of very good songs focussing on vibe though. Still love my genre just festivals and mainstream culture can fk off IMO, no offense.
+Ahmet Fatih Usta "transformers having sex" lmao now I can't get that image out of my head.
You don't know what the heck you're talking about
Julian Gray Media
Got anything to back up that statement of yours? Would be much appreciated.
He isn't referring to the "sound" as in the musicality, he is referring to the engineering aspects of it, and how dubstep crowds tend to limit and compress the heck out of everything to get volume. It's not good engineering. He actually quite enjoys "dubstep" he was the first to sign both excision and skrillex, as they got their start on mau5trap
+Julian Gray Media yes....exactly.
quote from EXCISION in an interview back in february of this year..."... every artist I’ve seen, and I’ve seen nearly all of them, have a 100 percent pre-planned set that they literally just press a play button at the beginning of the show and fake it for 90 minutes. F*** that! ..." ___ i can GUARANTEE you're included in that dude
Evryone like realy EVRYONE does that dude, only groups like C2C and stuff like that don't.
Probably you should go and check out the guest mixes on the YT Channel Mixmag bro *lol*
its not hard to mix mad crazy noises together though, would love to see him just do a deep dubstep set off the mark, let alone any of the many other genre's that have been wrongly thrown together under the (crap) name of 'EDM', when you've got more minimal sounds on the go it's so much harder to get it sounding nice, i do like excision but his attitude towards mixing is silly... (plus i think its nice that djs take the time to plan it rather than just throw it together at the time)
excision is under the mau5trap label your stupid
gushergamer that has nothing to do with it
I love how most dubstep is harder to make than a lot of the shit he makes, had Deadmau5 ever been in the studio watching a dubstep producer? probably not. Has Deadmau5 ever attempted to create and release a dubstep track? no. I understand you do get dubstep artists who's workflow consists of opening a sample pack and just using 92% of those samples to create their track, but there are also underrated dubstep producers who create and put a lot of thought into their sounds to create music that sounds original
Culprate, KOAN Sound, Posij, Teknian, Emperor, Joe Ford. I don't expect you to like all of these artists, but at least give them a try
You are everything wrong with the dubstep culture. Shut up
Hahahaha what? why?
hardcore is harder than dubstep search for angerfist - tonight
Wow, and you asked me if I was dumb. 1. It is dubstep, not dub step. 2. A dubstep song is not called a dubstep. And 3. the point I just made is that there are dubstep producers who put thought and skill into their music
Deadmau5: I hate dubstep.
Skrillex: Burns holes through deadmau5's ears with his cigar.
It should be called "why everyone hates Deadmau5"
I wonder what his opinion is on Liquid Dubstep
That's a good question actually.
liquid isnt really that hard soo i think he thinks its alright :P
DeepFriedBass What about filth/grimestep? Talking Ry Legit, Chrispy, D-Jahsta, Rekoil, Barron, you know, the more undergroundish side of most labels such as firepower and spinning.
Liquid is smoothe and the producers do a good job at mixing and mastering, so im sure he'd dig it
***** Filth djs put more than twice the effort into mixing. Filth music is much more complete. There's almost never nothing happening. The effects to even modify any form of dubstep wobbles take a long time to master, and a lot more skill and knowledge than house and trance ever will. Dead just likes simple sounding stuff. Mixing and mastering is not what he forms his opinion by. Most people like commercial rap but underground chopper rap takes a lot more skill and is usually written in a more clever manner.
Deadmau5 sits down to discuss his new record, Album Title Goes Here, reflect on his career, and explain why he hates dubstep.
You should fix that...
Or is that the actual album...
Truthfully I think modern dubstep is good BECAUSE it is sort of a "fuck you" to engineering. It's the same mentality behind other unrelenting genres of music. I like to think of it as the death metal of electronic music in some ways, it isn't always produced to sound clean and organized but it's meant to be unrelenting. I think if you took an unrelentingly aggressive dubstep song and gave it needless dynamic range it would only hurt the song. But that's my opinion. :P
Industrial techno is definitely the death metal of techno...
I couldn't agree with you more. Nice comment.
Brandonbraun
Naw, Industrial Techno is the industrial techno of techno. :P
You can't really compare death metal and dupstep, well produced death metal is far from a "fuck you" to good production and engineering, it might not be produced to sound clean and organized, but its not produced to sound loud and raw with no dynamic range either.
If you produce a record thats just supposted to sound loud in a genre like death metal, the instruments will have no clarity to them, it will just end up sounding like a loud wall of sound.
I don't know man, all of my favorite Death Metal Albums are mixed and mastered to basically be a wall of sound. I think it's a challenge to make every element of the recording have it's own space. Clarity is a challenge with metal, but I would say the same for modern dubstep too. A lot of distorted "dubstep growls" occupy about as much sonic real estate that a heavily distorted guitar does. Sometimes even more. Deciding what to cut and what not to cut can be a challenge in both situations. I'd say it's comparable, but "dubstep" as a genre also is so ambiguous at this point. A lot of the dubstep I listen to definitely has metal influence in how it's mixed. But that isn't necesarily the case with everything. There are some really heavy modern metal albums that have a different approach to mixing that doesn't involve a lot of limiting and shit on the master fader, but there's plenty examples of those that do too. I personally really like the "wall of sound" style of mixing as long as there's enough clarity to hear what's happening. But everyone is different.
i respect deadmau5 (i believe it's pronouced as 'deadmouse'), i don't usually like mainstream pop music. I prefer glitch and trap, but any edm song that sounds epic and badass, i would listen to those. but i respect deadmau5's skills and just the general way that he doesn't make himself look big.
Original UK 'Dubstep' isn't at all similar to modern Dubstep, it was a lot more similar to, and evolved from Dub which is kinda like a Reggae sub-genre. I like both but yeah.
***** That's why I said evolved from dub. Never said it was similar, I said dub was similar to reggae as its a sub-genre. Cmon bruh
***** Yes I can lol because it was. Early dubstep was a merge of 90's UK garage with dub and dance-hall, influenced by Caribbean migration to the UK during that time. Compare King Tubby to a Skream record and tell me dub isn't the main root influence. Garage evolved as a more mellow alternative to jungle, which evolved from dub and reggae anyway.
+Llama Dubstep evolved from UK garage and 2 step...
+Jamie Min yeah, i get what +Llama is talking about, but it evolved from garage and 2 step but had heavy influence from dub and dance-hall along with other cultures like indian and oriental music... semantics really
+Llama Early TEMPA records are compressed and loud as fuck as well.
I agree with him. I never thought of dubstep that way. Dubstep was better when it wasn't loud and obnoxious. Requake is probably the closest you're gonna get to old dubstep these days. If you're looking for good old style dubstep, Requake's a great duo.
ekhm *DubstepGutter* ekhm
+Lenny The Cat dsg is shit
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Lenny The Cat omg i'm so offended, please delete that
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deadmau5: hates dubstep.
Also deadmau5: Produces "Scary Monster's and Nice Sprites".
Becomes most successful Dubstep Album of all time.
It was skrillex album
Man.....dubstep is garbage now,,,,about 5-10 years ago, that shit was FIRE though....I'm talking about that REAL REAL, before Skrillex came along. It was great stuff to see live and it was something different in the scene. Then, like everything else, it became too popular for it's own good so everyone and their mom tried to make it, everything was just copies of copies, and all garbage. The evolution is over....time to innovate something new. Next!
Mmmmmkay, you just ignore all of the GOOD dubstep still being made, and just par attention to the things that went mainstream.
Maby IDM? Ah. It's too intelligent and complex for typical kid. For serious... Mainstream music will minimalize itself, for masses. You'd run deep search for the best...
Every DJ in clubs just remix a song that has been remixed a dozen times prior... it's sad, yet crowds 'love' it somehow........
when dubstep first came out it was HEAVY, now all drops are too soft :( its gone down hill
The fuck? As if House, Bigroom and trap issn't just copies of copies.
I bet Deadmau5 doesn't hate dubstep as much as I hate the term EDM!
Its not a term its am acronym. Electronic Dance Music. Get over it lol.
We used to just call it "techno." I agree with Peter
Nathan McNasty
Well technically its an abbreviation, not an acronym
Timmeh Tim It's an initialism, actually. An abbreviation is a shortening like saying "Tim" instead of "Timothy". Also, an acronym is when you say the letters as a word like P.E.T.A. Also, I agree, it's techno not EDM :P
No its not technically an abbreviation, its technically an acronym. Look it up.
Honest to god I'll never stop pronouncing his name as 'Dead Mow Five'. Not intentionally, it just happens.
lot of respect for this guy, his production is glorious
*So what does Deadmau5 think about Big Room?*
well Big Room is killing the edm genre !! no art at all !!
I still kind of like Big Room
+DeathRocket
*Me too. I don't have a problem with Big Room. I can understand why a producer might hate it for it's simplicity, but as a listener, I can still enjoy it so I couldn't care less.*
one thing I hate about big room is how similar every song is. But then again, I really like future bass, so I guess I don't have too much room to speak
+Donut
*Me too. Future Bass is probably one of my favourite subgenre in EDM.*
I started watching this, but quickly realized I hate Dubstep for the same reason's why Deadmau5 hates Dubstep.
Dubstep sounds good on loud systems that sound good with tons of bass but that's it, it stops there. Stuff like he makes is like good jazz in a sense it sounds good on any system and doesn't need to be loud because it is made to sound good. I think of it like quality of quantity. Deadmau5 said it best.
I personally love Dubstep (the 2006ish Dubstep, like Benga, Skream etc.), but he's absolutely right about his point. I hate that younger "Dubstep". It developed into a joke. Thank you Skrillex, we laughed a lot.
Jan-Paul Boelcke You clearly don't know alot about the genre.
LanceCampeau Fucking Ship
maybe u just cant find good Dubstep? Maybe try Spag Heddy
hates but makes. raise your weapons.
Guess he changed his mind? :/
Skrillex wrote that for him. he said so in a live stream
If you knew your stuff, you would know he said "I only made it because dubstep was really big at the time". Still doesn't mean he likes it.
OfficialParagon wich kinda seems like he's a sell out, at that time.
What does that have to do with this?
I can understand Deadmau5's position on dubstep. Dubstep and Death Metal are a lot alike in many regards.
You can't just slam an E Minor chord and scream expecting to produce great metal.
You also can't just turn up your bitcrusher, dimension expander, reverb, lo cut, and layer the Sausage Fattener/Soundgoodizer, put a limiter envelope on it so it doesn't redline and expect to produce great dubstep.
***At the same time***
Slayer's track "Raining Blood" on their late 80's masterpiece "Reign In Blood" had a breakdown that absolutely was an E Minor chord hit rhythmically.
Dubstep follows Occam's Razor, which is a paradox, it's counterintuitive and maybe that's why a lot of Dubstep isn't that great. Less is more. Choice frequencies get louder when unnecessary frequencies are cut or if "background" frequencies are lowered. If you produce, have you noticed that boosting the bass, increasing hi cut and decreasing lo cut, layering multiple kicks, expanding dimensions, raising the amplitudes and going more wet than dry, all of that causes things to sound (not only muddy and fuzzy) sort of quiet? It's like you keep adding stuff trying to make it bigger and heavier but it still sounds quieter than you want, and almost "flat" despite your mixer showing you getting as close to redlining as you can without blowing something out.
Cut the nonessentials. Your stuff will sound better.
I am no expert, but I'd bet Deadmau5 would back me up on this.
funny how he says he hates dub step yet he made a dub step song
if you listen to what he said, he doesn't hate dubstep
***** One Tricky Pony (feat. Sofi) :) You're welcome
Raise Your Weapon as well, you just have to get to the end.
Dubstep is something waaaay one one side of "music".
You can use aspects of it, or aspects in common with it, or that divergently evolved from it, in perfectly legitimate music. That doesn't change the fact that dubstep, in general, sort of sucks.
It's like the difference between conway twiddy, and old crow medicine show.
he's doin it right
>Hates dubstep
>Doesn't know what dubstep really is
Bitch!
I love both you guys.
ahahaha!!! there are dubstep producers whose mediocre music literally shits on deadmau5 best music, whatever that may be, as far as production, dynamics, style, creativity, originality, & every other aspect of music
Dude, you can like dubstep, but it's hardly music compared to Deadmau5's stuff. Dubstep has no rhythm, no phrase, and no soul, it's just there for people who want loud party music.
your opinion ... and thats fine ... & honestly, most closed minded people like a genre or 2 of music & truly dislike others, as in your case - dubstep. i enjoy QUALITY MUSIC ... dubstep, house, drum & bass, electro breaks, bboy beats & breaks, old school & underground hip hop, classical , jazz ... & there are QUALITY SONGS in all of the genres i listen to - INCLUDING DUBSTEP
SUPEROBSCUREBEATS So if you do like all those types of electronic music, then you know that you can't compare deadmau5's house to dubstep. It's like comparing bluegrass to pop country.
well i CAN compare his house music to high quality house dj's & producers like graeme, spun, jeno, garth, donald glaude, simon, dj dan, frankie bones, dj sneak, armand van helden, darren ramirez, daft punk ..... need i go on? your buddy deadmau5 simpleton house music style doesn't even come close to anyone i've mentioned here ... AS WELL AS all of the dubstep that blows his shit away simply in QUALITY OF PRODUCTION.
"QUALITY OF PRODUCTION" in Dubstep? Somehow you manage to prove over and over your vast unintelligence. Insulting Deadmau5 repeatedly won't make your Dubstep "artists" any better than him.
I completely fell off from Progressive and Electro, but the few things I've always stuck to that have never disappointed me are Deep House, Trance, Eric Prydz and Deadmau5. He's never disappointed, and he doesn't flow with what's popular like every other producer does. He'll always remain one of the greats for me
Answer is at 4:18
I couldn't stop staring at his abundance of tattoos...
People who don't like dubstep/riddim just can't appreciate complex sound design.
Dubstep back then wasn't complex. It was just a bunch of overcompressed grating instrumentation at the time that this video came out.
It is not only dubstep having this issues with loudness, loudness wars are real and I am happy to see such producer as dedmau realizes it and hates it (as every professional should).
Guys, if some of you think dubstep has no soul, go look up Vexare. Namely: The Clockmaker, Still Remaining, The Silent Majority and his remix of Robert Miles' Children.
Dubstep may be loud as hell, but it is with a purpose. Vexare has shown me that intense music can come with even more intense emotion.
that's why i like trance the most :D
The Clockmaker - nothing new, nothing interesting. Typical pop dubstep with this "unpredictable" wide coooool bass!
How about Rattlesnake?
Colin Parks Forgot about that one, I think Rattlesnakes sounds very unique. A purely fascinating emotion emitting from it, nothing specific though.
Lajcepsty
>The Clockmaker
>Typical pop dubstep
Really? Let me explain to you. It has near nothing in common with anything else. No growls, pure melody, unrivalled complexity, the longest melody line in dubstep, ever, and the second drop has an absolute crapton of harmonious melodies, resulting in an absolutely overwhelming but beautiful feeling.
WAIT THIS IS THAT DIRT MONKEY SAMPLE OMFG
I think I have to agree. Actual dubstep is absolute shit.
Derivatives of dubstep on the other hand can kick some fucking ass.
Famous, yet very wise and insightful. Live long and thrive even more deadmau5!
I love Dead Mow Five!
Lmao...
Dead Mow Cinco my friend
Ha Kanye tweet reference
+Kj Jbd life #getKanyeSerum
its spelled deadmau5 but pronounced dead mouse
Nice clickbait title, saving the answer to the very end.
Not clickbait,it's common tactic to get more view cuz everyone will just bounce if they get the answer on 1st question.
I'm a dubstep producer and I would say that it is as difficult as any other genre. All music making depends on getting more in touch with your creative side.
Now don't get me wrong, I love brostep just as much as the last aggressive teenager, but come on guys, it's just an opinion.
drwhoeffect Agreed
A year ago I didn't have any clue what he meant about slapping a limiter and setting the threshold all the way down on a track of dubstep and ruining the dynamics of the signal and now I do so I'm learning!!
"OMG OMG OMG DUBSTEP IS SOO SOO SOOOOO AWESOME! DEADMAU5 SUCKS DUBSTEP SHITS ON DEADMAU5 OOOOHHHH YEAH! SKRILLEX IS WAY WAY WAY WAY BETTER!"
~no one
Everybody hates dubstep. To me, dubstep isnt even music, its just messed up sounds blasting into your ears.
If dubstep isnt a music, why it became a mainstream back 2012? Why skrillex, knife party and other dubstep makers became mainstream. I know dubstep is for gaming. But dubstep is something unique to other songs
steven coloscos 2012? bro you mean 2008. listen to the old dubstep it's much better than the overused shit sounds today
"Everybody hates dubstep"
hah.
***** well, i guess not everybody hates dubstep, i just seem to know a lot of people that hate it.
Cameron Grant Just because you know a lot of people that hate it doesn't mean that EVERYBODY hates it. I mean, Dubstep has a thriving fanbase and is still continuing to grow as a community.
"or legitimately it is the art"
The savage ass drums that beat from ancient generations to invoke a certain feeling in the early humans didn't care if someone thought the sound threshold was too high. it just was what it was.
good interview though.
woah hey there pal. just because *you* have to be on drugs to listen to it doesn't make it true.
and i bet the flute players called those who played drums savages.
but i doubt it. because they respected the purpose for that instrument. (or couldn't think that far into it)
musical hipsters are not so forgiving.
Pure ignorance. The bass drops in an organised pattern, it's not just random noise like idiots claim it is. There are some artists like SeamlessR that produce random noise, however if you listen to someone like Datsik, you can no longer say that it's just noise, unless you are deaf.
Pwnage exactly. There's shitty dubstep just like there's shitty trance, or house or ambient, etc. Every genre has artists that completely wack it up. Datsik is a perfect example of amazing dubstep. Listen to his Let It Burn album and you will get it.
And again, not everyone has to like the same type of music. Just because it's sound to you, does not make it so for everyone else on the planet.
cool
Whenever i watch a video with an opinion in it, there is always at least one idiot in the comment section who thinks that it's fact, and simply has to disagree with it. It's deadmau5's opinion in this video, and he's outlying reasons for his opinion. Got a problem with that? Great! Means you got an opinion too! An opinion isn't fact. Drill that into your brain.
GUYS HE SAID THAT IN 2012. Dubstep only started envolving that time. he might have changedd his mind by now
nobody will realize the level of intelligence deadmau5 has. so what of his music, he has really real to life ideas about how stuff works. not to mention he programs 95% of what he does himself, not to mention he doesn't buy stuff from other people. he's origional, and that's what almost all popular producers aren't.
I always find it funny when these kind of edm pop rap beat makers say anything about sound engineering that’s not sound engineering sound engineering is being able to record live sound and know how to engineer the sound using acoustics and signal processing to get the desired sound for the client not what he does bruh I would say skrillex is a more qualified sound engineer then him anyways but still it’s a whole other art that they don’t specialize in so they shouldn’t say anything
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RobinHood East No the content is in there
Organized Chaos maybe
Im not a very big EDM fan, but any artist who chooses to stick with their own style and make music they can feel proud of, instead of whoring themselves of to the mainstream machinery at the first opportunity desereves respect in my opionion.
Why does it say he hates Dubstep if he doesn't hate Dubstep...? .___.
To get people to watch the video, duh. 2.1 mil views = money.
I wonder if mau5 knows what the real roots of dubstep are where it was not about distorted heavy bass and was more of a dark vibe, like skream, DMZ, coki, hatcha etc. The shit from 2004.
I know , he's just talking about the popularized banger shit.....that's not even what real dubstep is. Clueless.
The real roots of all those genres is rap/hip-hop.
The roots go back way farther than that.....hip hop in itself was a genre that borrowed from all of the different genres. The real dance shit started in Chicago and Detroit with og's like Derrick May, and that had roots in disco and early electronic music like Kraftwerk.
Kyle Donaldson
Yeah, I know. I forgot bout that, but the EDM culture has evolved over the last few years and that's when they took some rap flavor from hip-hop. Hip-hop's real roots is funk, blues, and soul. Some people might say Kraftwerk and other similar artists, but that's not true. Even though some rappers did rap on some Kraftwerk style beats.
Kyle Donaldson
Before Kraftwerk, but yes. They did great job as pioneers.
Thelegend27?
Who is the Legend27 ??
Demetris Gavrielides I get that reference
haha, this is becomming a meme.
or.... You're a bot.
yes
Is it true you can hurl a bolder further than a catapult?
That's the same mentality I have with my music. Really trying to push the envelope but keeping in mind that quality comes first and bass/distortion later