Thanks Roman for releasing such niche products which you can hardly get rich with. It's clear you are simply committed to overclocking community and you deserve a big thumbs-up. I always purchase TG stuff for my high-end builds because they rock and I also want to support you. Greetings from Slovakia.
@@KiiR745 I'm using an Neptwin, Tower cooler that uses screws with shocks. This helps with mounting pressure. Some water cooler have isues from what ive read, so you probably need a extra cooper layer to help
I had NO IDEA you were part of Thermal Grizzly - that is AWESOME!!!! I see Thermal Grizzly on a whole bunch of youtube channels and they have ALWAYS spoken high of the products, but not once did they mention they had anything to do with you. I only learned of your channel from hearing about the NO2 OC Challenge with JTC and GN and how much they gave you praise on their videos from time to time. but I had NO CLUE what to expect on your channel and I have been NOTHING BUT IMPRESSED!!!!! You do some AMAZING STUFF on here and I just can't wait to se what you do next!!! :D
Just did my first lapping of an IHS and my coolermaster tower cooler on an older I7-6900K. What a huge difference it has made, I should have recorded the changes before and after. Topping out with 300 or 400mhz over clocks at either 4.2ghz or 4.3ghz all cores with highest temps reaching 72°C. Thing used to hit mid to high 80's under full load all core testing at base boost speed of 3.9 Heck thing actually runs more like 64° with the lesser overclock. Can't recommend lapping enough if you have a wonky IHS and cooler. Should point out, it obviously wasn't just the lapping that produced such drastic results. Lapping, plus better quality thermal paste, a large fan was installed on the side of the case, remaining 4 fans were changed, 2 had their positions modified, and everything was cleaned. Still a night and day difference, the lapping, thermal paste, and new large fan have breathed new life into the old computer. If it wasn't for this channel and Frame chasers I wouldn't have had the confidence to wet sand a processor that originally set me back like 1500$ Canadian when brand new.
My laptop was running mid to high 70s. I just cleaned the fans and reapplied thermal paste. Now it tops out at low to mid 60s. Lapping probably has great benefits for overclocking though
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Saw this product being reported about here in sweden. Cool neat solution! I bought hermal grizzly conductonaut for the first time 2 weeks ago to bin a K6-3+ 400@616Mhz 2.175V and a K6-2+ 570@672Mhz 2.13V 24h prime95 stable for a friend plus one for me. Motherboards stopped me from going higher on the K6-2+. IHS was replaced with a laped AMD Sempron copper one because there also plated on the inside as you know, original IHS is aluminum so would melt XD Got like 4500 3Dmark2000 points with the K6-3+, think the World Record is like 5K+ cant remember, no real tweaks was used. Set a new personal new best SS7 CPU OC with that and building up an awesome mid 2000 late upgrade Super Socket 7 rigg and so is my friend! Love modern computing to (have Ryzen 3900XT for main rigg) but old stuff are fun and using modern techniques, tools and products and experience gained over the years to fix and push old stuff is just as much fun! I know you love old cool stuff to so! Anyways great products!
Very nice product, well done bringing a solution to something Intel apparently was too lazy to do well in the first place but it's not the first time and probably won't be the last. Keep up the good work
Roman, Just found your channel. I am thoroughly impressed with the products and the testing that you do. Great videos and hats off to your commitment to the PC community, cheers :)
I wasn’t sure until I tried to order some a long time ago.. quickly realized waiting 3 weeks is part of the process. Totally worth it for high performance builds though. And also a great price
I finally installed this yesterday and I have to say it works great. My temps have improved a lot from it When I took off my cooler before installing the frame, the thermal paste residue on the cooler was shocking. Only half of the surface area of my cpu was getting touched by the cooler.
Thanks Roman, finally got the Contact Frame and able to get my PC to run without any issues. Followed your instructions but didn't mark the screws, I did tighten the screw with just pinching my finger to the key. That's about it.
Installed the frame yesterday and the temperatures dropped 10-15 °C across all cores of 12900K! The CPU was bent a lot before, a good half of the IHS had bad contact with the cooler. Definitely worth buying!
The question I am asking myself is, do I need this? Temperatures on 12700K are okay, for me. Would I like to lap CPU and heat sink to match each other, yes. I guess price will be the final answer. Great information video. 🤓
@@HHX_H 12700KF as well. Per core usage scaling from 5.2 to 4.9 P's and 4.1 to 3.9 E's with a 360 aio. AVX offset drops it to 4.8 and 3.8 all core in Cinebench. Stays just under 90C there, and around 50C gaming. (Not lapped.)
I just built a computer yesterday using this item "Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame". Currently doing nothing but internet and watching videos at rest the cpu temp is 33 C. Please not this is what a Deep Cool AG400. I purchased that cooler as a hold over once my Noctua D-15 arrives. I will see tomorrow how hot things get when I play some PC games. Really appreciate the information on install helped me out allot. Thank you for the product!!!
Just received mine in the mail and I am so grateful you engineered this product. I build pcs to last and this contact frame will increase the life of my cpu.
@der8auer-en just got the contact frame and delid-die-mate and man this is quality! Seen people complaining about the price but no f reason, its all in the quality!! Good job! 👊
Yayyy been aware of the socket issue for months, finally my local ,I do enter had a whopping grand total of one in stock. Needless to say I ordered the thing moment I saw it.
The contact frame works great. I always get anxiety flipping the ILM lever, felt like it took a lot of pressure to hook it down and was lopsided, but assumed "hey the engineers must know what they are doing". Lowered my 13600K temps 5-7c~ average.
Wera makes a ESD proof tool they call their DR95-P1460-ESD Manual Torque Screwdriver that is made for accurately determining (0.02-0.06 Nm) torque specifications which is helpful in this case as it is always good to have and use the correct tool for the job especially when you are working with determining accurate clearances and torque specifications required for proper CPU contact.
Hello. Unfortunately, when mounting on the motherboard asus maxius z790 extreme i 13900k the screws turned out to be too short due to the thicker laminate. When are you going to release screws or new frames? Do you have the dimensions of these screws?
The main thing why plastic cant be used is that it won't be able to sustain the mechanical loads involved here without deforming. The youghs modulus is way too low, especially for common 3D printer plastics
I gotta add a comment here… I’ve got 2 3D printers that have a tolerance of 10 microns. That totally satisfies the 40 micrometer tolerance. That being said… I’d still rather buy the thermal grizzly part. It’s pretty.
QUESTION: Will you be testing this current frame on the Raptor Lake CPUs coming from Intel later in the year? REASON: I am waiting on my upgrade until 13th Gen from Intel. 2 reasons being my personal budget for a full PC upgrade and the other is I've never been an "Early Adopter" of new process technologies from either AMD or Intel (personal preference) and like to wait until some maturity is present.
@@AB-vp9mi Yes possible... and in fact I dont have great results or contact with my waterblock using the contact frame. My cooler is very exoensive and specifically designed for the concave IHS.. SO I actually need the bend lol! Im gonna mount and try my ILM tomorrow. The top of the CPU dont have contact and half the P cores are hotter than rest. Its the EK QUANTUM MAGNITUDE RGB- they state its designed to be convex to the concave IHS. So in my case I should actually not use the contact frame... Its a brand new build so I have never tried the original locking mechanism. Its a Asus Z790 Maximus HERO. And the screws are VERY thight and short for the contact frame. So I think its not perfect straight.
SO I also built a new PC. Its a 13900K and Asus Z790 Hero Maximus. I must say I don't have great results! The screws from the OEM ILM are very short and can barely make contact on the threads. I could however tighten it. But I tried two times now, and my water block does not make great contact! Note my water block is convex and specially designed for Intel Concave IHS. SO I honestly don't think it work with my cooler. I actually need some bend lol! I am gonna try the OEM ILM tomorrow. Some say I need longer screws as there are a difference between Z690 and Z790 screws on Asus at least. So although I have temps in check half of the P cores are up to 10c hotter. And I could see the block dont have perfect contact and it is convex. So a flat IHS is not good apparently for my water block. It is the expensive EK Quantum Magnitude RGB. I hope for better results with OEM ILM tomorrow.
Mounting this with a 13900k on z790-e So, you don't talk about the backplate - It was incredibly difficult to mount this with the backplate without knowing where im at with how tight it is and the backplate kinda moving all around on the back. I could not do this with two fingers. I had to kinda force it down to the backplate. I have kept it as loose as I can. Also - You should probably mention that the system should be run first with the normal frame to set a baseline for memory speeds. With the lapping - ideally it would be great if you could take a store bought kit which has folded sandpaper, and explain what you should put the sandpaper on (everyone seems to be using glass with tape). if you could make a new video with a store bought kit - that would be amazing. Maybe with a new z790? Thanks man!
@@tactical_alpaca I was the same, I did actually get the screws in but it was so tight it wouldn't boot. Using z790-e Unfortunately derbaur shows in one of his more recent video the contact frame on a z790 board - so I am guessing its just my board. *shrug*
This is awesome. I'm building a 12th gen rig soon (I know Ryzen 7000 is happening soon, but not soon enough for me) and I know I'm going to need everything I can get to have reasonable temperatures. That's why I'm going to be using this, lapping, a thermosiphon, industrial ppc fans, undervolting and air deflectors to get it down to the best temperatures possible.
Love seeing videos like this helping people out with such problems but then I look at Ijevin’s fix of putting some plastic washers under the cpu mount.
SO I also built a new PC. Its a 13900K and Asus Z790 Hero Maximus. I must say I don't have great results! The screws from the OEM ILM are very short and can barely make contact on the threads. I could however tighten it. But I tried two times now, and my water block does not make great contact! Note my water block is convex and specially designed for Intel Concave IHS. SO I honestly don't think it work with my cooler. I actually need some bend lol! I am gonna try the OEM ILM tomorrow. Some say I need longer screws as there are a difference between Z690 and Z790 screws on Asus at least. So although I have temps in check half of the P cores are up to 10c hotter. And I could see the block dont have perfect contact and it is convex. So a flat IHS is not good apparently for my water block. It is the expensive EK Quantum Magnitude RGB. I hope for better results with OEM ILM tomorrow
I appreciate all of this effort that you put into this product, and I have always known that enthusiast go the extra mile to squeeze out every advantage they can but for intel and board manufacturers to put out a product that bends the CPU is just beyond believable.
I haven't been able to locate the lapping frame anywhere (US), only the contact frame at Titan Rig, which is hard to catch in stock. Have you released the lapping frame in the US yet? Btw, EKWB sell a 0.6 N-m torque screwdriver, although I don't think it includes the right size attachment.
Late to the party. Got mine ordered today. Looks like all I do is finger tight screws, then qtr turn? Sounds alot like bolting up rocker arms on a motor.
At 8:25 you say: at this state you have 0.5 to 1 full rotation left. So this means after doing the two finger tightening and after the quarter turn - there is still half to one full rotation left?
Man, I love your content, I can't watch the other tech tubers because their information is so basic. This is great stuff, yes you're essentially plugging your own sauce but I like to understand the products that I own and this is it. I hope you can hit production with all your cool machines asap
no way Thermal Grizzly is yours man! your products are FANTASTIC, I love the thermal pads for CPU, been using one Carbonauta with my i7 3770K at 4,7 ghz and purrs like a kitten. German tech is amazing.
so I am using this with the Carbonaut graphene .. two questions, does it give me any benefit if I double up the carbonaut layer? two vs one? Also, with regards to torquing down the frame, if one errors on the side of too relaxed vs too tight, which is worse? or are both equally bad? I'm concerned to get the correct torque.
did you lap it to or just use the frame? i plan to just use a frame without lapping if possible i want to keep my cpu looking new incase i ever upgrade from 13600kf to 14/15th gen etc
i ordered one of these and it doesn't fit, it doesn't come with screws (big oversight on your part), and the existing ILM screws on the Asus Z790's motherboards are too short. It would have cost you like 40 cents to include 4 x screws with these, now i have to rma it and get the much cheaper Thermalright one, which i should have done in the first place.
Dear Roman. Amazing video. I have watched you for so many years years and you have helped me so much. I was wondering if one of your direct die no IHS mods would lower temperatures even more?
This is for proper IHS contact. As is the lapping. With direct die the cooler is the ILM. In other words, there's no need to modify the mounting pressure system, it's part of the direct die solution. So, if that's engineered properly it's not a factor.
@der8auer Could you please on top of all the useful info, indicate or suggest an existing Torque driver in the range of 0.03-0.06 Nm which can also wear a T20 bit? While I was able to find torque screw driver in that range from WERA (1460 ESD Kraftform) ... I really struggle to find a way for it to wear a T20 on it. The thing is that the waterblock must follow the same torque and be equal to the one we will be applying on the Contact frame, otherwise no matter what pressure we will be applying on the contact frame if the one from the waterblock will be greater, it will be pointless
I had the same question and I think we are planning to use the same block. EKWB lists the torque spec for their Velocity2 block as 0.6 Perhaps he misspoke and meant 0.6 when he said 0.06? If that is the case, EKWB sells a torque screwdriver for about $20 that could be used for both purposes. If you learn anything, please @ me in this thread.
@@bobthomas8342 Unfortunatelly he did not make a mistake ... He is indeed saying that it needs 0.03nm - 0.06nm and based on my research the lower the better. Iggors lab has a relevant article where you can find more in relation to the contact frames. I never managed to find an adaptor for the WERA screw i was talking about above in order for it to be able to work with a T20 bit and the reason is that it only takes HIOS and halfmoon bits and T10 max :S .... To answer your question though, no I won't be using the EK but the aquacomputer PVD/Nickel which have been proven stunning in 2 consequent builds of mine. EK is indeed suggesting 0.6nm, mobos suggest 0.3 nm for screwing them on the chassis but the contact frame in on the scale of 0.03-0.06 orelse 0.3-0.6 Ncm and not Nm ;) Thus I unfortunately decided to go with the Thermalright one because of it making physical contact with the board preventing from overscrewing if you are not an ORC and make sure you stop 1 click after the screw "finishes" and I will take the exact same approach on the waterblock too I hope that helps at least a bit ;)
@@edropiangaminglivestreams I don't understand how that can be. Won't the clamping force of the water block override the force from the contact frame? They're both pushing the chip into the socket. Surely people would be destroying components with EKWB blocks if their recommended torque is 10x what it should be.
Is it worth it to get this? I'm building a high end system with a 12900k but I don't plan to do any overclocking for years.. Will it improve the longevity of the cpu/motherboard?
@@mansikkamies9146 Thanks for the reply, I'm finally building a new pc after being with a 2500k since 2013. I really want the new one to last just as long if not more, but that cpu bending issue got me worried...
@@lostdreamer50 I don't know the availability of Thermal Grizzly paste in your country. But, suppose you use regular air cooler like Noctua, that'd be fine if you clean the dust and re-paste it every year. No big deal Water loop AiO might last longer when it comes to Dust piling up.
It would be really cool if the video showing how to install this piece also included showing how to uninstall the stock ILM. I feel like that's a pretty basic step in the installation process of this grizzly. Do I leave the back plate on? Do I use standoffs? Do I just screw the grizzly right into the motherboard? For such a long video it seems silly to leave out something so basic.
"Bend the CPU." I remember either you, LTT or GamersNexus (sorry to not narrow it down), having "flat" CPUs but getting poor contact with heatsinks. I wonder if this was the cause all along. Skimming heatsink and CPU, to have it warp out of place when fitting. :(
Good point, if I understood you correctly. It's more important how both contact surfaces are shaped (convex, concave, flat) and how the mounting pressure effects this shape. Usually, a tower heatsink cold plate shouldn't bend under pressure because it's quite thick. Thinner water cooling blocks might be a different story altogether.
I am having a lot of difficulty finding this. I have checked the TG partner stores, but cant find it. Do you know where I can get it, and how much? Also, THANK YOU!!!
Would this new mount/frame improve IHS warping, regardless of lapping it or not? Curious to see comparisons with this mount, versus the original mount, versus the original mount w/ washers - all done without any lapping.
what if... instead of the acrylic part stopping your lapping from hitting the frame, you allowed it too, so that your coolers cold plate could cover BOTH the cpu and frame, and transfer heat out from both? more contact surface, more heat extraction?!?!
Have you thought about using some sort of spacers to maybe a locking screw to prevent over tightening? (similar to what they use for AIO's and Coolers)?
Hi, I got one of these a few days ago and accidentally chipped a small bit of the coating of the screwhole in the frame where one of the screw heads sit in with the screwdriver. Will this be okay? I'm afraid of any potential shorting, i haven't installed the frame yet
Hi der8auer. Question unrelated to this please? I lopped my CPU (5800X) because i was getting bad coverage. my temps are worse. The question. If too much is lapped off will it harm the IHS? as in will temp go up? or would it be the thinner the better? Thank you.
What is the difference between this contact frame and the new 13/14 gen one? Outwardly, they seem like the same product supporting the same processors/socket.
The new one was optimized so it's easier to mount without the need of specific torque. And also to reduce manufacturing cost to make it cheaper for customers
If someone is going through the trouble of replacing contact frame and lapping the IHS, why not go a step further and just try direct die cooling... I don't see the point of this product. Unless maybe if the IHS is required for LN2 mounts, then it might make some sense...
Man, I've been checking caseking everyday thinking this was a direct die frame. I've delided with the rockitcool kit but want to see how much improvement direct die would give.
@@der8auer-enHi, I just bought Gigabyte B760M GAMING X DDR4 + I3-13100F and Zalman CNPS9X Performa ARGB Black, but I want to replace it with I5-13400 or even I5-14400 in the future, so as I'm on 13th Gen processor do I need to install this frame?
My CPU is bent bad. Got terrible temps on my noctua nh-d15. Moved to a nzxt x63 because asetek based coolers are more concave and temps went from 95° in cinebench looping to 80°. That's stock settings around 1.28v fans maxing out at 1200rpm, pump on performance. This bending issue really makes some coolers hit or miss.
I had so much fun using your delid tool for the I9 9900KS and I overclocked the living daylights out of that poor chip then one day my AIO cooling pump failed and in a few milliseconds so did the CPU hi. C'est La Vie. I am now running the Dark hero with AMD 5900X, I could not get a 5950X at that time grr.
So your 9900k was so OC that it did not have time to thermal throttle when aio pump failed??? I always preferred air cooling but I may have to upgrade cpu soon and they really pushing those aio in reviews lately cose new cpus run so hot. I am not sure I want to risk a cpu if the pump fails, it has to last at least 6+ years. do you think your cpu would have died if it was not OC?
@@Ureroll Happened to me also while back. Antec aio pump failed and 4770k fried instantly. No oc. Not completely though, but lost memory channel in the cpu. So no more gaming but fine for web browsing. So yes, if you're not willing to buy a new cpu if/when pump fails, i'd strongly recommend aircoolers. Personally i don't care, if my 12900k fails, i go buy a new one. Sucks yeah but goes with the bleeding edge hobby territory. For secondary computers, where liquid coolers aren't necessary, i prefer air coolers for the safety. Also if you just want practical computer and you don't care about few megahertz or hobbying like liquid metal stuff, then obviously air coolers are the way to go for just the safety.
@@jaybee0507 I was 100% sure that the cpu could survive an AIO fail, maybe that 4770k was a bit old? when did intel start the whole thermal throttle / thermal protection thing built inside the cpu? Again, I always assumed that unless a pipe busts out liquid on the mobo, the cpu was safe with just a pump fail. Now I want to research this even more
@@Ureroll Thermal protection throttling measures have been there way before 4770k. I don't think it's really rocket science what would happen if you for example would pull your cooler out in mid action. I mean it could even survive, but i would bet otherwise. Anyway i haven't even considered leakage as a risk maybe in 10 years, except in custom watercooling. I'd consider even mounting bracket failure more of a risk than leakage. I wouldn't be overly paranoid. Modern aios are pretty good i guess, but if you want to be 100% sure about the safety, aircooler is absolutely worth to consider. But you know, i am just random guy on internet.
I notice that the new 13th/14th gen version of the Thermal Grizzly frame no longer has the marks around the screw holes. So how are you now handling torque settings?
Thermalright made a frame with the same idea. But there's no lapping block, they chamfered some of the anodizing off, and I doubt they contoured the lip on the frame. It's also only on TaoBao for now. Meanwhile Intel is still headassing that it's not an issue.
@SteveQ Dude, I'm not a reflexive Intel hater, I'm coming from a 9700K to a 12700. But meanwhile, you're a shill. Acting like the spec is just automatically good, or that a few cents to use more tabs on the ILM (or a few dollars for an entirely better ILM like on the HEDT platforms) is comparable to forged pistons, is just ridiculous. If you're paying $50 more for a K-SKU part, you have a right to expect it to not run 5-10 Celcius hotter because Intel pinched pennies poorly. A GT350R does use forged pistons anyway, for comparison.
@SteveQ they're not. I have a 12900ks and with a 420mm aio my chip immediately hits 100C+ under benchmark load, and 90C+ when regular gaming. This is after reseating, trying different coolers, and adjusting bios voltage settings. Some people who are not OCing like myself are having big issues with this chip when we shouldn't be.
@SteveQ so if that ends up being the case for me I honestly wouldn't mind. And I know that with this chip its being pushed to the max however from what I've read from other users on reddit, they showed similar benchmarks to what I've been running but with drastically reduced temps on this chip. After seeing multiple accounts of that I concluded that I was either A: doing something wrong mounting my block, or B: there was an issue with the ihs bending. I ordered this bracket and a concave waterblock so between these 2 things I'll get soon, hopefully i can conclude for myself if that was the issue. If not, then hey I totally accept that the chip runs hot, I don't have issue with that outside of it being caused by something that this bracket or similar hardware could fix.
So what would a user do if the threads are imperfect due to manufacturing and that perfect mounting pressure is unachievable? In my experience as a consumer, with anything that has threaded holes, there is almost always a thread or screw that’s imperfect and requires a bit of “brute force” to go inside and mount whatever is necessary. Regardless of price premiums and promises of manufacturing quality, I always find myself needing to brute force a screw in a threaded hole. Just exactly how tight are the tolerances for manufacturing a product of this caliber? I’m really interested in this frame, and I trust you completely, but I’m not sure if I’m willing to trust a manufacture with functionality of my 12900K just based on an already unreliable screw/thread tolerance process.
I go from one poorly designed CPU to another. The 6700k needed deliding and liquid metal, and now 12700k needs a socket mod. lol Anyway nice work on this product. Very neat solution.
Not sure if torque is really so important, I noticed that one of the bolts on my MB was torqued almost 2 times more that others, and top bolts were sitting in place without any torque. Tighten them just enough that they started to resist and was able to boot without problem. Surprised that after replacement my MB for some reason showed "new CPU, need to review BIOS settings".
@@vovazagach1781 Hi, please ABSOLUTELY use the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF!!! I tested the CPU without the frame and I can confirm that it bends. The point is: the frame is useless if placed AFTER you yet tested the CPU without the frame. The frame works ONLY if you place it on a BRAND NEW CPU. NEVER USED, NEVER TESTED. (Once the motherboard bent the CPU, adding the frame can't give you any benefit) More: I've tested the Grizzly and I found it unreliable. Instead, the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF is perfect: you can screw it to the end (it has to be in contact with the board) without any issue. On a NEW CPU it performs at least 7° less. Good luck.
Anyone know the screw size? I got two contact games one worked fine on a ROG Maximus extreme z690 with 12900k but for my 13900k on a z790 Maximus extreme the stick screws are too short for the contact frame and will only fit a thermal right contact frame but I want to use my grizzly frame :( I was told it was m3.5x6 but those have the wrong thread pitch I think I need 8-10 mm long
@@csqr thanks I’ll try them, bout to take my monoblock off and switch to a regular cooling block from EKWB for better thermals I get throttling with the delided 13900k due to not a good fit and would like to change the frame them too to the grizzly
Hi Der8auer, how are you? I'm a fan of your channel. Can you help me? Recently I saw on your channel tests with the DeepCool AK620 and also with the Grizzly Contact Frame. I bought both, and also bought the Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal. But I didn't find any video that shows the use of Contact Frame with liquid metal in the AirCooler AK620. Do you think something could go wrong? Any golden tip to give me?
Thanks Roman for releasing such niche products which you can hardly get rich with. It's clear you are simply committed to overclocking community and you deserve a big thumbs-up. I always purchase TG stuff for my high-end builds because they rock and I also want to support you. Greetings from Slovakia.
I've been using your direct die mount for my 9900K, works like a charm, 5.3ghz stable, while before 5.0ghz wasn't possible because of high temps.
So cool! It's totally unnecessary and i love it.
hahaha :D
I'm using an QQLS (an i9-9980HK adapted for 1151 Z170) and it helps a lot not having an IHS.
@@DanielGT_93 I am having problems adjusting the cooler on my QTJ1, do you have any advices? Thanks!
@@KiiR745 I'm using an Neptwin, Tower cooler that uses screws with shocks. This helps with mounting pressure. Some water cooler have isues from what ive read, so you probably need a extra cooper layer to help
I had NO IDEA you were part of Thermal Grizzly - that is AWESOME!!!! I see Thermal Grizzly on a whole bunch of youtube channels and they have ALWAYS spoken high of the products, but not once did they mention they had anything to do with you. I only learned of your channel from hearing about the NO2 OC Challenge with JTC and GN and how much they gave you praise on their videos from time to time. but I had NO CLUE what to expect on your channel and I have been NOTHING BUT IMPRESSED!!!!! You do some AMAZING STUFF on here and I just can't wait to se what you do next!!! :D
Thank you very much :)
Just did my first lapping of an IHS and my coolermaster tower cooler on an older I7-6900K.
What a huge difference it has made, I should have recorded the changes before and after. Topping out with 300 or 400mhz over clocks at either 4.2ghz or 4.3ghz all cores with highest temps reaching 72°C. Thing used to hit mid to high 80's under full load all core testing at base boost speed of 3.9
Heck thing actually runs more like 64° with the lesser overclock. Can't recommend lapping enough if you have a wonky IHS and cooler.
Should point out, it obviously wasn't just the lapping that produced such drastic results. Lapping, plus better quality thermal paste, a large fan was installed on the side of the case, remaining 4 fans were changed, 2 had their positions modified, and everything was cleaned.
Still a night and day difference, the lapping, thermal paste, and new large fan have breathed new life into the old computer.
If it wasn't for this channel and Frame chasers I wouldn't have had the confidence to wet sand a processor that originally set me back like 1500$ Canadian when brand new.
My laptop was running mid to high 70s. I just cleaned the fans and reapplied thermal paste. Now it tops out at low to mid 60s. Lapping probably has great benefits for overclocking though
Saw this product being reported about here in sweden. Cool neat solution!
I bought hermal grizzly conductonaut for the first time 2 weeks ago to bin a K6-3+ 400@616Mhz 2.175V and a K6-2+ 570@672Mhz 2.13V 24h prime95 stable for a friend plus one for me.
Motherboards stopped me from going higher on the K6-2+.
IHS was replaced with a laped AMD Sempron copper one because there also plated on the inside as you know, original IHS is aluminum so would melt XD
Got like 4500 3Dmark2000 points with the K6-3+, think the World Record is like 5K+ cant remember, no real tweaks was used.
Set a new personal new best SS7 CPU OC with that and building up an awesome mid 2000 late upgrade Super Socket 7 rigg and so is my friend!
Love modern computing to (have Ryzen 3900XT for main rigg) but old stuff are fun and using modern techniques, tools and products and experience gained over the years to fix and push old stuff is just as much fun!
I know you love old cool stuff to so!
Anyways great products!
Thanks a lot and for the feedback :)
The detail of marking the srew to have the proper preasure is amazing.
that torque detail with the marking is absolutely genius
Very nice product, well done bringing a solution to something Intel apparently was too lazy to do well in the first place but it's not the first time and probably won't be the last. Keep up the good work
Roman, Just found your channel. I am thoroughly impressed with the products and the testing that you do. Great videos and hats off to your commitment to the PC community, cheers :)
TIL that Thermal Grizzly is a german company, for some reason I thought its from NA, probably because of grizzly bear
Isn't it Roman's company?
I wasn’t sure until I tried to order some a long time ago.. quickly realized waiting 3 weeks is part of the process. Totally worth it for high performance builds though. And also a great price
They are all above expectations products. 🇧🇷🍻
germans also name their military vehicles after the big african cats
Now we need an american company named Aryan AIO's
I finally installed this yesterday and I have to say it works great.
My temps have improved a lot from it
When I took off my cooler before installing the frame, the thermal paste residue on the cooler was shocking.
Only half of the surface area of my cpu was getting touched by the cooler.
Thanks Roman, finally got the Contact Frame and able to get my PC to run without any issues. Followed your instructions but didn't mark the screws, I did tighten the screw with just pinching my finger to the key. That's about it.
Installed the frame yesterday and the temperatures dropped 10-15 °C across all cores of 12900K! The CPU was bent a lot before, a good half of the IHS had bad contact with the cooler. Definitely worth buying!
The question I am asking myself is, do I need this? Temperatures on 12700K are okay, for me. Would I like to lap CPU and heat sink to match each other, yes. I guess price will be the final answer.
Great information video. 🤓
I have the KF version , i cannot OC it almost impossible because of temps
I don’t need it, but I really dislike the 12th gen ILM, so I’ll pick it up eventually
@@HHX_H 12700KF as well. Per core usage scaling from 5.2 to 4.9 P's and 4.1 to 3.9 E's with a 360 aio. AVX offset drops it to 4.8 and 3.8 all core in Cinebench. Stays just under 90C there, and around 50C gaming. (Not lapped.)
Thank you so much for speaking the torque in Newton meters these should be torque down to. All the spec information was definitely needed.
I just built a computer yesterday using this item "Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame". Currently doing nothing but internet and watching videos at rest the cpu temp is 33 C. Please not this is what a Deep Cool AG400. I purchased that cooler as a hold over once my Noctua D-15 arrives. I will see tomorrow how hot things get when I play some PC games. Really appreciate the information on install helped me out allot. Thank you for the product!!!
Just received mine in the mail and I am so grateful you engineered this product. I build pcs to last and this contact frame will increase the life of my cpu.
Excellent research, work, and your dedication to overclockers everywhere.
😎👍
Another wonderful product from Der8auer and TG! Can't wait to purchase it!
@der8auer-en just got the contact frame and delid-die-mate and man this is quality! Seen people complaining about the price but no f reason, its all in the quality!! Good job! 👊
Yayyy been aware of the socket issue for months, finally my local ,I do enter had a whopping grand total of one in stock. Needless to say I ordered the thing moment I saw it.
So Thermal Grizzly is your company!!! Damn. I absolutely love your products.
I'm curious about how all these would perform with those 12th gen custom IHSs that came out recently
I don't think it would work for the Rockitcool copper IHS, because it doesn't have the spacing around the IHS for these replacement ILMs to grip onto.
check out Linus Tech tips recent video about them, they are a bigger wider IHS. Thus , they wouldnt fit under/in the tool
@@crisnmaryfam7344 god damn. That really sucks.
The contact frame works great. I always get anxiety flipping the ILM lever, felt like it took a lot of pressure to hook it down and was lopsided, but assumed "hey the engineers must know what they are doing". Lowered my 13600K temps 5-7c~ average.
Hello thankz for sharing, im planing to do it on my 13600k. What mobo do you have?
MSI PRO Z690-A WiFi DDR4
@@clockcycle thankz for the rply!
Really cool product, hope to see some people's videos using these to help their overclocks.
Wera makes a ESD proof tool they call their DR95-P1460-ESD Manual Torque Screwdriver that is made for accurately determining (0.02-0.06 Nm) torque specifications which is helpful in this case as it is always good to have and use the correct tool for the job especially when you are working with determining accurate clearances and torque specifications required for proper CPU contact.
Hello.
Unfortunately, when mounting on the motherboard asus maxius z790 extreme i 13900k the screws turned out to be too short due to the thicker laminate. When are you going to release screws or new frames? Do you have the dimensions of these screws?
The main thing why plastic cant be used is that it won't be able to sustain the mechanical loads involved here without deforming. The youghs modulus is way too low, especially for common 3D printer plastics
I gotta add a comment here… I’ve got 2 3D printers that have a tolerance of 10 microns. That totally satisfies the 40 micrometer tolerance.
That being said… I’d still rather buy the thermal grizzly part.
It’s pretty.
that's pretty impressive tho. What kind of printers are these?
That's cool and all but you don't want the contact frame to be plastic because it will morph due to the CPU temps.
QUESTION: Will you be testing this current frame on the Raptor Lake CPUs coming from Intel later in the year? REASON: I am waiting on my upgrade until 13th Gen from Intel. 2 reasons being my personal budget for a full PC upgrade and the other is I've never been an "Early Adopter" of new process technologies from either AMD or Intel (personal preference) and like to wait until some maturity is present.
I am installing my brandnew 13900K in a few weeks and I would really like to know if the bend bracket is needed also for Raptor Lake?!
@@lassekristensen385 afaik the 13900K is also subjected to the bend.
@@AB-vp9mi Yes possible... and in fact I dont have great results or contact with my waterblock using the contact frame. My cooler is very exoensive and specifically designed for the concave IHS.. SO I actually need the bend lol! Im gonna mount and try my ILM tomorrow. The top of the CPU dont have contact and half the P cores are hotter than rest. Its the EK QUANTUM MAGNITUDE RGB- they state its designed to be convex to the concave IHS. So in my case I should actually not use the contact frame... Its a brand new build so I have never tried the original locking mechanism. Its a Asus Z790 Maximus HERO. And the screws are VERY thight and short for the contact frame. So I think its not perfect straight.
SO I also built a new PC. Its a 13900K and Asus Z790 Hero Maximus. I must say I don't have great results! The screws from the OEM ILM are very short and can barely make contact on the threads. I could however tighten it. But I tried two times now, and my water block does not make great contact! Note my water block is convex and specially designed for Intel Concave IHS. SO I honestly don't think it work with my cooler. I actually need some bend lol! I am gonna try the OEM ILM tomorrow. Some say I need longer screws as there are a difference between Z690 and Z790 screws on Asus at least. So although I have temps in check half of the P cores are up to 10c hotter. And I could see the block dont have perfect contact and it is convex. So a flat IHS is not good apparently for my water block. It is the expensive EK Quantum Magnitude RGB. I hope for better results with OEM ILM tomorrow.
Mounting this with a 13900k on z790-e
So, you don't talk about the backplate - It was incredibly difficult to mount this with the backplate without knowing where im at with how tight it is and the backplate kinda moving all around on the back.
I could not do this with two fingers. I had to kinda force it down to the backplate. I have kept it as loose as I can.
Also - You should probably mention that the system should be run first with the normal frame to set a baseline for memory speeds.
With the lapping - ideally it would be great if you could take a store bought kit which has folded sandpaper, and explain what you should put the sandpaper on (everyone seems to be using glass with tape).
if you could make a new video with a store bought kit - that would be amazing. Maybe with a new z790?
Thanks man!
for the life of me, I can't get these screws in. if someone gets this installed on a z790 ill shit my pants
@@tactical_alpaca I was the same, I did actually get the screws in but it was so tight it wouldn't boot. Using z790-e
Unfortunately derbaur shows in one of his more recent video the contact frame on a z790 board - so I am guessing its just my board.
*shrug*
@@notreya you need longer screws, just ordered me some from amazon
@@tactical_alpaca Exactly what size screw is it?
I have the same issue with my Z790 Hero. It took quite a bit of force to get screws started.
This is awesome. I'm building a 12th gen rig soon (I know Ryzen 7000 is happening soon, but not soon enough for me) and I know I'm going to need everything I can get to have reasonable temperatures. That's why I'm going to be using this, lapping, a thermosiphon, industrial ppc fans, undervolting and air deflectors to get it down to the best temperatures possible.
Love seeing videos like this helping people out with such problems but then I look at Ijevin’s fix of putting some plastic washers under the cpu mount.
Does this frame also work on the 13900k? I’m assuming yes but since the tolerances are so tight I want to triple check.
SO I also built a new PC. Its a 13900K and Asus Z790 Hero Maximus. I must say I don't have great results! The screws from the OEM ILM are very short and can barely make contact on the threads. I could however tighten it. But I tried two times now, and my water block does not make great contact! Note my water block is convex and specially designed for Intel Concave IHS. SO I honestly don't think it work with my cooler. I actually need some bend lol! I am gonna try the OEM ILM tomorrow. Some say I need longer screws as there are a difference between Z690 and Z790 screws on Asus at least. So although I have temps in check half of the P cores are up to 10c hotter. And I could see the block dont have perfect contact and it is convex. So a flat IHS is not good apparently for my water block. It is the expensive EK Quantum Magnitude RGB. I hope for better results with OEM ILM tomorrow
@@msmoonboo What size do these custom screws need to be? I'm ready to mount mine and seen this post, so it's all stop.
I appreciate all of this effort that you put into this product, and I have always known that enthusiast go the extra mile to squeeze out every advantage they can but for intel and board manufacturers to put out a product that bends the CPU is just beyond believable.
I haven't been able to locate the lapping frame anywhere (US), only the contact frame at Titan Rig, which is hard to catch in stock. Have you released the lapping frame in the US yet? Btw, EKWB sell a 0.6 N-m torque screwdriver, although I don't think it includes the right size attachment.
The frame is in stock again at Titan Rig as of 7-18-22. But I still cant find a seller for the Thermal Grizzly Lapping Tool.
I love your quick intro !
round of applause for this one, Der8auer. keep up the good work.
Late to the party. Got mine ordered today. Looks like all I do is finger tight screws, then qtr turn? Sounds alot like bolting up rocker arms on a motor.
👍 Great job guys, thank you for your effort.
At 8:25 you say: at this state you have 0.5 to 1 full rotation left. So this means after doing the two finger tightening and after the quarter turn - there is still half to one full rotation left?
wait what he cut his socket out, that looks fun ;D
Derbauer the best !!
Man, I love your content, I can't watch the other tech tubers because their information is so basic. This is great stuff, yes you're essentially plugging your own sauce but I like to understand the products that I own and this is it. I hope you can hit production with all your cool machines asap
will try the best :) thanks!
Another awesome video, thank you.
Sounds like this was a fun project. Nice results too:)
Yes please. Intel should have put a bit more effort into the 12th gen clamping system.
I think you mean ANY effort in it because its just copy and pasted from an old design lol
While I am burnt out on delids, I would not mind lapping at all for client builds. Hopefully this will be easy to get my hands on!
no way Thermal Grizzly is yours man! your products are FANTASTIC, I love the thermal pads for CPU, been using one Carbonauta with my i7 3770K at 4,7 ghz and purrs like a kitten.
German tech is amazing.
so I am using this with the Carbonaut graphene .. two questions, does it give me any benefit if I double up the carbonaut layer? two vs one? Also, with regards to torquing down the frame, if one errors on the side of too relaxed vs too tight, which is worse? or are both equally bad? I'm concerned to get the correct torque.
Just chiming in to say thank you! I just installed the contact frame for my 12900k, and it no longer throttles!
did you lap it to or just use the frame? i plan to just use a frame without lapping if possible i want to keep my cpu looking new incase i ever upgrade from 13600kf to 14/15th gen etc
@@TheFruitingChamber Just the frame, no lapping.
I know this is an XOC kind of thing, is there any benefit to doing this for us normies with regular custom loops?
Cant find in the United states? Are you going to have suppliers here for the lapping tool and contact frame?
Titan Rig is our supplier. They will have stock again soon :)
@@der8auer-en Ok thanks! So NEWEGG should have some soon and Amazon?
Would love to see a video experimenting with gains, combining die lapping, Rockit cool copper IHS, IHS/cooler plate lapping, undervolting, etc.
wow, this is truly awesome
i ordered one of these and it doesn't fit, it doesn't come with screws (big oversight on your part), and the existing ILM screws on the Asus Z790's motherboards are too short. It would have cost you like 40 cents to include 4 x screws with these, now i have to rma it and get the much cheaper Thermalright one, which i should have done in the first place.
Dear Roman. Amazing video. I have watched you for so many years years and you have helped me so much. I was wondering if one of your direct die no IHS mods would lower temperatures even more?
This is for proper IHS contact. As is the lapping. With direct die the cooler is the ILM. In other words, there's no need to modify the mounting pressure system, it's part of the direct die solution. So, if that's engineered properly it's not a factor.
@@fVNzO thank you!
When will this be available in the US? So far, I've only seen it on caseking but they do not ship to the US. Thanks and excited to buy one!
been waiting for this!!!
@der8auer
Could you please on top of all the useful info, indicate or suggest an existing Torque driver in the range of 0.03-0.06 Nm which can also wear a T20 bit?
While I was able to find torque screw driver in that range from WERA (1460 ESD Kraftform) ... I really struggle to find a way for it to wear a T20 on it.
The thing is that the waterblock must follow the same torque and be equal to the one we will be applying on the Contact frame, otherwise no matter what pressure we will be applying on the contact frame if the one from the waterblock will be greater, it will be pointless
I had the same question and I think we are planning to use the same block. EKWB lists the torque spec for their Velocity2 block as 0.6 Perhaps he misspoke and meant 0.6 when he said 0.06? If that is the case, EKWB sells a torque screwdriver for about $20 that could be used for both purposes. If you learn anything, please @ me in this thread.
@@bobthomas8342 Unfortunatelly he did not make a mistake ... He is indeed saying that it needs 0.03nm - 0.06nm and based on my research the lower the better. Iggors lab has a relevant article where you can find more in relation to the contact frames.
I never managed to find an adaptor for the WERA screw i was talking about above in order for it to be able to work with a T20 bit and the reason is that it only takes HIOS and halfmoon bits and T10 max :S ....
To answer your question though, no I won't be using the EK but the aquacomputer PVD/Nickel which have been proven stunning in 2 consequent builds of mine.
EK is indeed suggesting 0.6nm, mobos suggest 0.3 nm for screwing them on the chassis but the contact frame in on the scale of 0.03-0.06 orelse 0.3-0.6 Ncm and not Nm ;)
Thus I unfortunately decided to go with the Thermalright one because of it making physical contact with the board preventing from overscrewing if you are not an ORC and make sure you stop 1 click after the screw "finishes" and I will take the exact same approach on the waterblock too
I hope that helps at least a bit ;)
@@edropiangaminglivestreams I don't understand how that can be. Won't the clamping force of the water block override the force from the contact frame? They're both pushing the chip into the socket. Surely people would be destroying components with EKWB blocks if their recommended torque is 10x what it should be.
Is it worth it to get this? I'm building a high end system with a 12900k but I don't plan to do any overclocking for years.. Will it improve the longevity of the cpu/motherboard?
No this is only for overclocking
@@mansikkamies9146 Thanks for the reply, I'm finally building a new pc after being with a 2500k since 2013. I really want the new one to last just as long if not more, but that cpu bending issue got me worried...
@@lostdreamer50 just use Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut Extreme.
A bit expensive Thermal Paste but totally worth it to last for years.
@@ClayWheeler Ugh I ordered ProlimaTech PK-3 a few days ago.. It was the only one with good availability in my country! That's good too isn't it?
@@lostdreamer50 I don't know the availability of Thermal Grizzly paste in your country.
But, suppose you use regular air cooler like Noctua, that'd be fine if you clean the dust and re-paste it every year. No big deal
Water loop AiO might last longer when it comes to Dust piling up.
It would be really cool if the video showing how to install this piece also included showing how to uninstall the stock ILM. I feel like that's a pretty basic step in the installation process of this grizzly. Do I leave the back plate on? Do I use standoffs? Do I just screw the grizzly right into the motherboard? For such a long video it seems silly to leave out something so basic.
Amazing project!!
"Bend the CPU."
I remember either you, LTT or GamersNexus (sorry to not narrow it down), having "flat" CPUs but getting poor contact with heatsinks. I wonder if this was the cause all along. Skimming heatsink and CPU, to have it warp out of place when fitting. :(
Good point, if I understood you correctly. It's more important how both contact surfaces are shaped (convex, concave, flat) and how the mounting pressure effects this shape. Usually, a tower heatsink cold plate shouldn't bend under pressure because it's quite thick. Thinner water cooling blocks might be a different story altogether.
I want it to be released in Japan as soon as possible. Thank you.
Still can't find the lapping tool... Awesome solution, would prefer a mpore exact method for pressure, i have crazy strong fingers.
I am having a lot of difficulty finding this. I have checked the TG partner stores, but cant find it. Do you know where I can get it, and how much? Also, THANK YOU!!!
9:47 why censoring on "custom". Is it a trigger word of some of the viewers? Personally, I am not triggered but only turned on.
Would this new mount/frame improve IHS warping, regardless of lapping it or not? Curious to see comparisons with this mount, versus the original mount, versus the original mount w/ washers - all done without any lapping.
what if... instead of the acrylic part stopping your lapping from hitting the frame, you allowed it too, so that your coolers cold plate could cover BOTH the cpu and frame, and transfer heat out from both? more contact surface, more heat extraction?!?!
we actually tried this as well but could not notice any temperature gains.
I just picked one up and I’m here to see how to get the aio bracket of Artic freeze 2 on once once the contact frame is installed.
Hi, do the Thermal Grizzly Contact Frame and Lapping Tool come in 1 package ?
Have you thought about using some sort of spacers to maybe a locking screw to prevent over tightening? (similar to what they use for AIO's and Coolers)?
Hi, I got one of these a few days ago and accidentally chipped a small bit of the coating of the screwhole in the frame where one of the screw heads sit in with the screwdriver.
Will this be okay? I'm afraid of any potential shorting, i haven't installed the frame yet
Yes no problem at all. This area is part of the keep out zone so there should be no open traces or SMDs.
Hi der8auer. Question unrelated to this please? I lopped my CPU (5800X) because i was getting bad coverage. my temps are worse. The question. If too much is lapped off will it harm the IHS? as in will temp go up? or would it be the thinner the better? Thank you.
for a normal user who's not overclocking, should he "adjust" the placement of the IHS to reduce the problem a little bit?
What is the difference between this contact frame and the new 13/14 gen one? Outwardly, they seem like the same product supporting the same processors/socket.
The new one was optimized so it's easier to mount without the need of specific torque. And also to reduce manufacturing cost to make it cheaper for customers
If someone is going through the trouble of replacing contact frame and lapping the IHS, why not go a step further and just try direct die cooling... I don't see the point of this product. Unless maybe if the IHS is required for LN2 mounts, then it might make some sense...
Man, I've been checking caseking everyday thinking this was a direct die frame. I've delided with the rockitcool kit but want to see how much improvement direct die would give.
in my last build i used thermal grizzly for the first time. very happy with the performance .
happy to hear :)
@@der8auer-en was just watching the ryzen 7000 video. would it be possible to add a frame between cpu and cooler to make the contact area bigger?
@@der8auer-enHi, I just bought Gigabyte B760M GAMING X DDR4 + I3-13100F and Zalman CNPS9X Performa ARGB Black, but I want to replace it with I5-13400 or even I5-14400 in the future, so as I'm on 13th Gen processor do I need to install this frame?
My CPU is bent bad. Got terrible temps on my noctua nh-d15. Moved to a nzxt x63 because asetek based coolers are more concave and temps went from 95° in cinebench looping to 80°. That's stock settings around 1.28v fans maxing out at 1200rpm, pump on performance. This bending issue really makes some coolers hit or miss.
How tight do we have to screw the original mount if wanting to revert back to stock cpu clamp?
noice! contact frame ordered
Finally. You are awesome 👏
I had so much fun using your delid tool for the I9 9900KS and I overclocked the living daylights out of that poor chip then one day my AIO cooling pump failed and in a few milliseconds so did the CPU hi. C'est La Vie. I am now running the Dark hero with AMD 5900X, I could not get a 5950X at that time grr.
So your 9900k was so OC that it did not have time to thermal throttle when aio pump failed??? I always preferred air cooling but I may have to upgrade cpu soon and they really pushing those aio in reviews lately cose new cpus run so hot. I am not sure I want to risk a cpu if the pump fails, it has to last at least 6+ years. do you think your cpu would have died if it was not OC?
@@Ureroll Happened to me also while back. Antec aio pump failed and 4770k fried instantly. No oc. Not completely though, but lost memory channel in the cpu. So no more gaming but fine for web browsing. So yes, if you're not willing to buy a new cpu if/when pump fails, i'd strongly recommend aircoolers. Personally i don't care, if my 12900k fails, i go buy a new one. Sucks yeah but goes with the bleeding edge hobby territory. For secondary computers, where liquid coolers aren't necessary, i prefer air coolers for the safety. Also if you just want practical computer and you don't care about few megahertz or hobbying like liquid metal stuff, then obviously air coolers are the way to go for just the safety.
@@jaybee0507 I was 100% sure that the cpu could survive an AIO fail, maybe that 4770k was a bit old? when did intel start the whole thermal throttle / thermal protection thing built inside the cpu? Again, I always assumed that unless a pipe busts out liquid on the mobo, the cpu was safe with just a pump fail. Now I want to research this even more
@@Ureroll Thermal protection throttling measures have been there way before 4770k. I don't think it's really rocket science what would happen if you for example would pull your cooler out in mid action. I mean it could even survive, but i would bet otherwise. Anyway i haven't even considered leakage as a risk maybe in 10 years, except in custom watercooling. I'd consider even mounting bracket failure more of a risk than leakage. I wouldn't be overly paranoid. Modern aios are pretty good i guess, but if you want to be 100% sure about the safety, aircooler is absolutely worth to consider. But you know, i am just random guy on internet.
Hi Roman - When will the lapping frame be available?
Have you considered manufacturing a direct die frame for 12th gen?
how concerning is the deformation to regular consumers, I just ordered a 12400. Will the warping cause any problems for me?
I notice that the new 13th/14th gen version of the Thermal Grizzly frame no longer has the marks around the screw holes. So how are you now handling torque settings?
Thermalright made a frame with the same idea. But there's no lapping block, they chamfered some of the anodizing off, and I doubt they contoured the lip on the frame. It's also only on TaoBao for now.
Meanwhile Intel is still headassing that it's not an issue.
@SteveQ Dude, I'm not a reflexive Intel hater, I'm coming from a 9700K to a 12700. But meanwhile, you're a shill. Acting like the spec is just automatically good, or that a few cents to use more tabs on the ILM (or a few dollars for an entirely better ILM like on the HEDT platforms) is comparable to forged pistons, is just ridiculous. If you're paying $50 more for a K-SKU part, you have a right to expect it to not run 5-10 Celcius hotter because Intel pinched pennies poorly. A GT350R does use forged pistons anyway, for comparison.
@SteveQ they're not. I have a 12900ks and with a 420mm aio my chip immediately hits 100C+ under benchmark load, and 90C+ when regular gaming. This is after reseating, trying different coolers, and adjusting bios voltage settings. Some people who are not OCing like myself are having big issues with this chip when we shouldn't be.
@SteveQ so if that ends up being the case for me I honestly wouldn't mind. And I know that with this chip its being pushed to the max however from what I've read from other users on reddit, they showed similar benchmarks to what I've been running but with drastically reduced temps on this chip. After seeing multiple accounts of that I concluded that I was either A: doing something wrong mounting my block, or B: there was an issue with the ihs bending.
I ordered this bracket and a concave waterblock so between these 2 things I'll get soon, hopefully i can conclude for myself if that was the issue. If not, then hey I totally accept that the chip runs hot, I don't have issue with that outside of it being caused by something that this bracket or similar hardware could fix.
Great product 👌
Next thing will be lapping the CPU an the LN2 pot at -196c for the ultimate extreme overclock flatness and surface contact.
How do we buy these??! Take my money!!
Had around a 6°C reduction on my 13th gen cpu. (No lapping)
Thank you
I received today contact frame and it has no lines/white dots around the holes, it is nor marked...
So what would a user do if the threads are imperfect due to manufacturing and that perfect mounting pressure is unachievable? In my experience as a consumer, with anything that has threaded holes, there is almost always a thread or screw that’s imperfect and requires a bit of “brute force” to go inside and mount whatever is necessary. Regardless of price premiums and promises of manufacturing quality, I always find myself needing to brute force a screw in a threaded hole. Just exactly how tight are the tolerances for manufacturing a product of this caliber? I’m really interested in this frame, and I trust you completely, but I’m not sure if I’m willing to trust a manufacture with functionality of my 12900K just based on an already unreliable screw/thread tolerance process.
I go from one poorly designed CPU to another. The 6700k needed deliding and liquid metal, and now 12700k needs a socket mod. lol
Anyway nice work on this product. Very neat solution.
Not sure if torque is really so important, I noticed that one of the bolts on my MB was torqued almost 2 times more that others, and top bolts were sitting in place without any torque. Tighten them just enough that they started to resist and was able to boot without problem. Surprised that after replacement my MB for some reason showed "new CPU, need to review BIOS settings".
Question: speaking only about the "bending" problem of 12th gen CPU on Z690, is it still a problem also with 13900K on Z790? (Thanks in advance.)
Hi did you figure this out by any chance, I just got my Gigabyte B760M GAMING X DDR4 + I3-13100F, and I'm a little afraid of putting it all together.
@@vovazagach1781 Hi, please ABSOLUTELY use the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF!!! I tested the CPU without the frame and I can confirm that it bends. The point is: the frame is useless if placed AFTER you yet tested the CPU without the frame. The frame works ONLY if you place it on a BRAND NEW CPU. NEVER USED, NEVER TESTED. (Once the motherboard bent the CPU, adding the frame can't give you any benefit) More: I've tested the Grizzly and I found it unreliable. Instead, the Thermalright LGA1700-BCF is perfect: you can screw it to the end (it has to be in contact with the board) without any issue. On a NEW CPU it performs at least 7° less. Good luck.
@@adrianocastaldini Thanks 👍
Anyone know the screw size? I got two contact games one worked fine on a ROG Maximus extreme z690 with 12900k but for my 13900k on a z790 Maximus extreme the stick screws are too short for the contact frame and will only fit a thermal right contact frame but I want to use my grizzly frame :( I was told it was m3.5x6 but those have the wrong thread pitch I think I need 8-10 mm long
Based on one of the US Amazon reviews it is UNC 6-32. But I cannot guarantee, my contact frame is arriving tomorrow so haven't installed it yet.
@@csqr thanks I’ll try them, bout to take my monoblock off and switch to a regular cooling block from EKWB for better thermals I get throttling with the delided 13900k due to not a good fit and would like to change the frame them too to the grizzly
Hi Der8auer, how are you?
I'm a fan of your channel. Can you help me?
Recently I saw on your channel tests with the DeepCool AK620 and also with the Grizzly Contact Frame. I bought both, and also bought the Grizzly Conductonaut liquid metal. But I didn't find any video that shows the use of Contact Frame with liquid metal in the AirCooler AK620. Do you think something could go wrong?
Any golden tip to give me?