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Production value of this video is insane !🤯 Lit cinematic shots, drone shots and very smooth gopro footage. Combined with a competent rider and stunning scenery this is just perfect. Incredibly good job on this video. Big props to everyone who was involved !
I test road one today , now I see why I liked it so much, thanks for showing me what it can do. And mentioning the extra charger in the storage compartment .And turning me onto On x app !
Excellent piece of work right here. In fact, that's by far the best review I've seen of an electric bike. Thanks! Oh, and all the footage were great, but the aerial views were awesome.
7:53, Bluetooth isn't an added feature, it just sucks to connect to a phone. You need to try a few times. Either the app or the bike firmware isn't well written software.
Thanks Tucker. I was not aware of the off road app so I download it. Cool that it lists some off road areas I didn't know about near me!!! I've been more of a street rider and although I've ridden some off road with my DSR I was anxious to hear your view of how you feel it handles. Thanks for your views. The roads you tested are EXACTLY the types of roads I ride. I'm using a more aggressive off road tire than the Pirelli's and they handle well on tarmac too. I'll be doing some longer rides next week and as you've stated I preferred to buy mine with the Charge Tank. Enough time to stop, take a piss grab some chow and hit the road. Because I've owned my Sur Ron for over 3 years, having the DSR gives me the best of both worlds for two wheel EVs. A light single track bike and a real motorcycle that's an EV. Just right for me. Looking forward to more of your videos on the Zero.
@Mark Kitaoka Awesome, thanks Mark! You're right, having the capability of level 2 charging is a huge attribute of this bike. Always great to get your perspective! 👍
Your Dsr definitely has Bluetooth connectivity. Put the key in and turn to ON. Make sure engine switch is off. Hold down the mode button on the bike for 5 seconds and you will see a little Bluetooth icon flash on the lower left corner of the gauge cluster. Now you're ready to pair with the app. Make sure to get the right zero app. There is a next gen and normal. DSR uses the normal version.
awesome bike, zero just needs to get the battery costs down. if this bike can be sold with the 14.4 for around 10,000 dollars they would get my attention more. but as of right now its 6k more than a tenere 700 with the options that i need.
Yeah, still amazes how they can't get the pricing of an electric bike below the price of a bike with thousands of moving, engineered parts put together... electrics are just so simple and much more inexpensive really!
@@kostasjezuz4846 It's the cost of the battery that kills it. For any electric CAR, $10,000 minimum is the cost of the battery, then you buy the machine....
tbh jeudging from the colours that should even be a red camera recording him. Colours look really cinematic. The other shots are with a drone. Also his gopro is sooo stable :0
@@p4ul.f708 Fujifilm has a cinematic mode on its mirrorless range that looks exactly like that as well. Or you can always colour-grade it afterwards...
I like ABS for Forest Service roads like what you’re riding where you can go at a pretty good clip and you may find yourself facing a jeep or other vehicle coming around a blind mountain corner. I’ve tried both and unless your locking up the rear wheel to slide corners the ABS is definitely beneficial on a 300 lbs plus bike. On my light dirt bikes, under 300 lbs I don’t need ABS.
I went from driving various petrol cars to driving a Tesla and it was "neat" at first but eventually became my "normal". Until I went back to a petrol car (rental) and I was reminded of the profound difference in driver experience. Some time has passed since you shot this - have you gotten back on your petrol bikes? What was it like returning to them after riding a Zero? Did you notice anything new about them that you had become accustomed to because it was all you'd experienced?
@Paul Smyers Great thought! I switch back and forth from gas to electric quite often and enjoy them for their own characteristics. Pros and cons to both but the obvious that I always point out is obviously the noise and the lightweight nature of the electric motos. They ride much lighter than the scale reads!
@@bradh6185 in my previous comment I was very careful to not say either way ;) But now that you are asking more directly, I will say that I have no reason to buy a gasoline car again.
Looks like a really fun motorcycle to ride. I have a yz450fx that I made street legal, which I love but I can see how this bike would be cool to have. I bet riding off road with no engine noise would be pretty sweet. I think it would make it feel that you’re more immersed in the trail and in nature. 👍🏼
@TravNasty520 Right on! Yea the YZ FX is an awesome bike and nice work making it street legal. Your 450 is way more of a precision off-road machine and will hands down outperform the DSR when the going gets rough. On the flip side, as a mixed use bike, you're absolutely right the DSR a very fun motorcycle to ride and provides a pretty unique experience. Hope you get to try one out soon 👍
Nice video! FYI, chains are not noisy if: they are tensioned correctly, aligned correctly, properly lubricated, and not worn. Much higher maintenance than belts. But also much more reliable than belts - especially in off road conditions. That being said, I'm not too passionate about either.
Thanks for making this video. The offroad part wasn't really offroad at all but more of a washed out unsealed road. Would love to see this bike tested on a single trail with proper tyres, pressure etc. I doubt the suspension will handle it well and the 19 inch front wheel might make real offroading sketchy but would be nice to see this disproven!
I've been riding for 40-plus years and I'm really tempted to get one of these bikes. But there is still a lot of mysteries and unanswered questions. About battery life and what happens when you do have one bad cell. How much for charging stations. Even dealers in my general area really don't have much information or many answers.
I'll just add some of my insight here in case you want it... The fastest way to degrade a battery (in an EV or any li-ion batt) is to have the charge levels below 10% and above 90%, keeping it between will really increase the number of charge cycles. (defined as 0-100% charge sessions. Charging from 0-50, riding 50-0, then charging 0-50% again would be 1 cycle). I keep my EV between 20-80%, which increases the expected cycles from 500-700, to well over 1500, to maybe even 2000. Keeping this bike between 10-90 should get you easily 100-120K+ miles before battery capacity reaches 80% of original. Bumping that charge margin to 15-85% should get you over 150K. Even then, the bike won't be junk, your range will just slowly keep on decreasing. I can't speak to what happens when a Zero has a bad cell, I haven't seen one torn down. I know in Tesla, each of the 4000+ cells are individually fused, so if one goes really bad, the fuse should break and not bring down the whole pack and instead only lose 0.02% capacity. Something to look out for on a Zero if your range suddenly decreases in the same conditions. Best to get it serviced right away. As for charging cost, electricity wise, you'd only pay $1.80 to go from 0-100% at $0.12kWh. Not bad for 120+ miles of possible range. If you buy the charge tank with the J1772 connector, charge station (EVSE) costs can vary wildly. You can get a cheap chinese brand EVSE from scamazon for about $200. You'd need a 240V outlet in your garage to really make use of an EVSE though. If not, add in somewhere between $300-1200 for a 240V receptacle install. Even if you could just run some 12ga wire somewhere to a wall mounted unit or a NEMA 6-20 outlet to get 3.8kW of power, you could 0-100% recharge this in 3-4hrs. A good EVSE will cost around $400-600 for something like a Chargepoint, Clipper creek, Grizzl-E, Juicebox, etc. I really like the Grizzl-E, it's very robust, and they have a mini version coming out that's reasonably portable. Hope that helps, was bit long winded...
I wonder what kind of foldable backpack solar applications can be used to recharge your E-dualsport while you take breaks in the wild. Solar cells built into an aftermarket backpack that charges the bike while you ride perhaps.
right now this wouldn't work even with smaller E bicycles. half a dozen full size quality panels would take something like 24 hrs or more of direct, optimal sunlight to charge the this bike.
@@amonaten13 Indeed, that's also a big day dream of the ebike crowd. Not practical, says this 35 years experience in all things solar, and 5 year ebike rider.
A backpack solar panel, perhaps 0.15 square meters at most, would provide about 10 watts of electrical power, and would recharge your DSR battery in about 1,500 hours, or 187 days, which is 6 months.
It kinda looks like a naked street bike with a high front fender. Maybe it’s just the shorter forks. I would love to ride one. I think 80-100mile range is great. So much potential here 🤘
Every technology starts somewhere. But yeah, before a bike cannot run at least 250 miles and be recharged in a couple of minutes gasoline definitely will keep ruling the market.
Next bike is probably another DR650, but I can't wait to ride an electric dual sport like this in the future. After getting a Sur Ron, electric is better in so many ways, not quite there for an adventure bike however.
You can't add both the power tank and the charge tank. 80% charge in 1 hour with charge tank. Average range is going to be less than 100 miles range. The S model has the charge tank option available and with the charge tank option is $3000 less than the dsr model without the charge tank option.
Do you still use hearing protection? At all speeds? I'm curious how much noise you get just from the wind compared to the wind and the motor on a gas motorcycle.
The DSR is a great bike. However, I'm happy with my Surron Storm Bee (Enduro version). It's a motocross bike with street legal parts. However, I ride it almost only off-road because I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. On house electricity (240v), it takes 3 hours to charge from 0-100% but I rarely use more than 50%. Most of my rides are 1-3 hours in the mountains. We have very low electricity prices so it costs next to nothing to run. It's got a chain so it's noisier but I wouldn't want a belt in my riding territory with loose rocks. I'm now a fan of electric bikes. I've also got an electric mountain bike and one cheap ICE motorcycle for when I need to take a passenger or go further than the Surron would allow. I could take the charger for a top up from a friendly homeowner but I haven't done that yet. Or put it in my truck along with a generator for multiple day trips from a base camp.
How has reliability been with the Storm Bee? I have been considering picking one up for myself but am unsure about availability of parts, especially because I am in the US. Thank you.
I have the prototype (pre-production) version. Reliability is not as good as my Surron Ultra Bee which was a full production bike. Sometimes the electric system just shuts down and displays some errors which even Surron doesn't want to do anything about. Parts are available from China directly but it's not a well supported after market like the LBX and then the Ultra Bee is somewhere in the middle. I think the production version would be a better proposition and hopefully they got the bugs out since the pre-production model that I have.@@shastamite2
Thank you for the information. Also good to hear that the Ultra Bee has good parts availability. I am looking at a new Storm Bee that has the newer 104V 55AH battery for 5.7kWh of battery capacity which would be a good amount for me. But i am slo considering buying and upgrading an ultra bee. @@martinfoster5163
@James Oxford It really depends on the states regulations. I know in some states it is pretty easy and straight forward to street legal the KTM Freeride.
Didn't do any single track and you went around the puddles. Get 400 lbs.tipped over on a steep hill and you might not pick it up. At least it's not hot,burning your leg, flooding the carb and dumping gas out. What about rain,snow,,mud,river crossings? How's the battery in freezing cold or desert heat? Moisture killed one of my e mtn. bikes. Thinking about it but you can get 8 used dirt bikes or a street ,dirt and dual sport for that kind of money.
thanks for all BUT ...the quality of the test camera is really bad and it would be nice to have instantaneous speed data while riding it in a small window , and this is particularly lacking on videos like the one "Factory KTM vs. Modified Sur Ron Electric Dirt Bike" .... I say that I say nothing LOL ;)
I'm in the process of selling my house and if I get what I'm asking the first thing I'll buy will be a DSR with a fast charge tank. Anyone know how to buy one in Australia? Northern NSW?
It's not good mileage. Trust me. It's not awful, but you will have range anxiety and may also need a tow at some point like many have after loss of power.
Congratulations, magnificent video with a superb panorama and this motorcycle attracts me more and more because I have a Bomber that I assembled as a Kit, certainly much lighter which weighs only 80 kg with a nominal 8 Kw wheel motor and 12 Kw at peak and with my 77 kg it goes up to 100 km/h in 9 to 10 seconds but the autonomy of my battery which I had made to measure by a French specialist which is a 72 Volt 53 Ah does not gives only 65 km of maximum autonomy, the bms is a 100 A discharge and 50 A charge, when the controller is a Sabvoton of 150 A nominal and 350 A peak. I adjusted the engine brake in the advanced settings and it is really effective compared to this DSR where it is practically non-existent, it is one of the things to improve, and its price is much too high compared to the quality of its equipment . As I said to myself at ZERO, they should use much lighter and more powerful MOLICEL cells and directly incorporate a fast charger that does not take the place of the trunk in the false tank, this motorcycle for this high price should have better benefits. For information here is my Bomber: th-cam.com/video/VIWk9GCB3Gg/w-d-xo.html Félicitations, magnifique vidéo avec un superbe panorama et cette moto m'attire de plus en plus car j'ai un Bomber que je me suis monté en Kit, certes beaucoup plus léger qui fait seulement 80 kg avec un moteur roue de 8 Kw nominal et 12 Kw en crête et avec mes 77 kg il monte maximum à 100 km/h en 9 à 10 secondes mais l'autonomie de ma batterie que j'ai fait fabriquer sur mesures par un spécialiste Français qui est une 72 Volts 53 Ah ne me donne que 65 km d'autonomie maximum, le bms est un 100 A en décharge et 50 A en charge, quand au contrôleur c'est un Sabvoton de 150 A nominal et 350 A en crête. j'ai réglé le frein moteur dans les paramètres avancés et il est vraiment efficace par rapport à cette DSR où il est pratiquement inexistant, ça fait partie des choses à améliorer, et son prix est beaucoup trop élevé par rapport à la qualité de son équipement. Comme je m'ai dit a ZERO, ils devraient utiliser des cellules MOLICEL bien moins lourdes et plus puissantes et y incorporer directement un chargeur rapide qui ne prenne pas la place du coffre dans le faux réservoir, cette moto pour ce prix élevé devrait avoir de meilleures prestations. Pour information voici mon Bomber :
@@adam_riley his comment was valid. Here in America, especially on a motorcycle, you're going to be doing over 50 a LOT and range is very poor. No one said it wasn't a good commuter or asked what the average daily commute is. His comment about the range and charge time however was extremely reasonable considering that it's ONLY good for commuting and not for taking out on pleasure/leisure rides or long distances. I don't know many people that don't mind taking hour to 2-hour long breaks during their ride.
@@MJ-sp6pq if it's only good for commuting then it's the opposite of what the original poster said. But feel free to think what you like. I'd be happy to ride that to work everyday.
Why do motorcyclists feel the need to get insanely close to cars to pass by and around them? (11:30) Would you like it if a car did that to you? Passed double yellow lines to do it too. Motorcyclists treat the road like a playground, and get really pissed at cars that aren't "considerate" to them. Sorry, just tired of bikers doing that to me on the one lane highway I live near. Bikers give me anxiety when they drive up on my taillight like that. Stay the hell back off of people please. Nice bike though.
Nice vid...thanks. Since there are some off-road newbies on this channel, let me make one point clear. Turning off your ABS completely is generally a bad idea. If you can turn off the rear, that can be helpful when steering the rear or in certain steep & rocky descents, however, for us mere mortals, there is never a reason to turn off the front ABS. If it is a both off or none off choice (unless you and Chris Birch ride together regularly) leave it on. If you don't know Chris Birch and you are interested in big bikes off-road you might enjoy this: th-cam.com/video/3AdnricM6G0/w-d-xo.html Thanks again for the video..subed
I still ride a gasoline powered motorcycle. I average 300 miles a day so the Zero won't work for me. Zero motorcycles are interesting, just not enough range for me.
I would think the bike would have more torque being a motorcycle only at 116 foot pounds. My DIY mountain bike has 140 foot pounds of torque lol I put some random circle burnouts on my channel recently if you want to see my build.
Ebike companies might be posting torque numbers at the wheel. This is torque at the motor. Two entirely different concepts. Your ebike probably doesn't have more than 20 ft lbs at the motor
@@dudea3378 Yeah, I built a 3kw road bike, 100 NM of torque supposedly. But I'll tell you straight there's no way the dinky chain is holding that much, it slips gears. I've gapped Groms until ~35 mph, but it's the responsiveness to wheelies that makes it fun, not the raw power when it's that damn light. Go check a Zero dyno video to get some idea of the losses lol
I've been using same app and phone mount on my race Surron for a few months, helps alot in the car too. Riding Rampart Range Trail 770 next week, you up for it?
"Do a very quick charge on it"? C'mon man first of all 2 hours is not very quick. Anything that's going to get you reasonable range isn't even quick if you decide to just do a partial charge. Add on top that it's advertised at 2 hours and is really more like 2.5 and you have a "very long charge" lol. What are you going to be doing for all those hour long recharges after getting MAX 100 miles out of it @ freeway speeds. I didn't care for that comment. My own two cents for those out there that have less experience with these and honestly I don't think you should've said it. Do you work for Zero? A lot of the comments sound like marketing and not ownership, real world experience. Shill? Not a good reviewer but good intentions? IDK.
@M J Normal 110 outlet charge time is approximately 10 hours. When utilizing a J charger, it's 2 hours. 8 hours difference. When talking about the electric motorcycles we review, yeah, that is quick. Compared to filling up a fuel tank? No, it's not quick. I am speaking in context of what we're reviewing on this channel: Electric Motorcycles. No, I don't work for Zero and no they didn't pay for anything in this video. If you don't like the review, luckily you don't have to watch it again! Take care.
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It scares the heck out of me when you drive it down such dirt roads so fast. Your skill level is as impressive as your cinematography.
@Brian Smith 👍👍
Production value of this video is insane !🤯
Lit cinematic shots, drone shots and very smooth gopro footage.
Combined with a competent rider and stunning scenery this is just perfect.
Incredibly good job on this video. Big props to everyone who was involved !
@p4ul.f Really glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the note man! 🙌
I test road one today , now I see why I liked it so much, thanks for showing me what it can do. And mentioning the extra charger in the storage compartment .And turning me onto On x app !
I got a DS 7.2kwh. Went with less battery for weight savings. I am 80% offroad and love this bike!
Excellent piece of work right here. In fact, that's by far the best review I've seen of an electric bike. Thanks! Oh, and all the footage were great, but the aerial views were awesome.
Looks awesome no noise pollution
7:53, Bluetooth isn't an added feature, it just sucks to connect to a phone. You need to try a few times. Either the app or the bike firmware isn't well written software.
Great. Job very informative.
419 Lb. That’s a beast to pick up in the trail for this 63 yr old 😂
Thanks Tucker. I was not aware of the off road app so I download it. Cool that it lists some off road areas I didn't know about near me!!! I've been more of a street rider and although I've ridden some off road with my DSR I was anxious to hear your view of how you feel it handles. Thanks for your views. The roads you tested are EXACTLY the types of roads I ride. I'm using a more aggressive off road tire than the Pirelli's and they handle well on tarmac too. I'll be doing some longer rides next week and as you've stated I preferred to buy mine with the Charge Tank. Enough time to stop, take a piss grab some chow and hit the road. Because I've owned my Sur Ron for over 3 years, having the DSR gives me the best of both worlds for two wheel EVs. A light single track bike and a real motorcycle that's an EV. Just right for me. Looking forward to more of your videos on the Zero.
@Mark Kitaoka Awesome, thanks Mark! You're right, having the capability of level 2 charging is a huge attribute of this bike. Always great to get your perspective! 👍
Maybe not even grab chow if you've got a 75yo prostate like mine.
@@anthonycook8703 😂
Your Dsr definitely has Bluetooth connectivity. Put the key in and turn to ON. Make sure engine switch is off. Hold down the mode button on the bike for 5 seconds and you will see a little Bluetooth icon flash on the lower left corner of the gauge cluster. Now you're ready to pair with the app. Make sure to get the right zero app. There is a next gen and normal. DSR uses the normal version.
@Aaron Schroeder Thanks for the heads up! I tried that combo and still couldn't get it to connect. Will give it another shot. 👍
awesome bike, zero just needs to get the battery costs down. if this bike can be sold with the 14.4 for around 10,000 dollars they would get my attention more. but as of right now its 6k more than a tenere 700 with the options that i need.
Yeah, still amazes how they can't get the pricing of an electric bike below the price of a bike with thousands of moving, engineered parts put together... electrics are just so simple and much more inexpensive really!
@@kostasjezuz4846 It's the cost of the battery that kills it. For any electric CAR, $10,000 minimum is the cost of the battery, then you buy the machine....
@@kostasjezuz4846 not much competition. So they control the market.
I'm not sure how you got some of those shots you did, amazing, looked like a professionally photo shot ride 🙌
tbh jeudging from the colours that should even be a red camera recording him. Colours look really cinematic. The other shots are with a drone. Also his gopro is sooo stable :0
@@p4ul.f708 Fujifilm has a cinematic mode on its mirrorless range that looks exactly like that as well. Or you can always colour-grade it afterwards...
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I like ABS for Forest Service roads like what you’re riding where you can go at a pretty good clip and you may find yourself facing a jeep or other vehicle coming around a blind mountain corner. I’ve tried both and unless your locking up the rear wheel to slide corners the ABS is definitely beneficial on a 300 lbs plus bike. On my light dirt bikes, under 300 lbs I don’t need ABS.
I went from driving various petrol cars to driving a Tesla and it was "neat" at first but eventually became my "normal". Until I went back to a petrol car (rental) and I was reminded of the profound difference in driver experience. Some time has passed since you shot this - have you gotten back on your petrol bikes? What was it like returning to them after riding a Zero? Did you notice anything new about them that you had become accustomed to because it was all you'd experienced?
@Paul Smyers Great thought! I switch back and forth from gas to electric quite often and enjoy them for their own characteristics. Pros and cons to both but the obvious that I always point out is obviously the noise and the lightweight nature of the electric motos. They ride much lighter than the scale reads!
Are you saying the Tesla is a much better experience than a gas car?
@@bradh6185 in my previous comment I was very careful to not say either way ;) But now that you are asking more directly, I will say that I have no reason to buy a gasoline car again.
@@bradh6185If you are interested in this argument just try it
Good thing you got up the Poudre Canyon before the floods!
Looks like a really fun motorcycle to ride. I have a yz450fx that I made street legal, which I love but I can see how this bike would be cool to have. I bet riding off road with no engine noise would be pretty sweet. I think it would make it feel that you’re more immersed in the trail and in nature. 👍🏼
@TravNasty520 Right on! Yea the YZ FX is an awesome bike and nice work making it street legal. Your 450 is way more of a precision off-road machine and will hands down outperform the DSR when the going gets rough. On the flip side, as a mixed use bike, you're absolutely right the DSR a very fun motorcycle to ride and provides a pretty unique experience. Hope you get to try one out soon 👍
Nice video! Just a tip. On the road tire pressure is 42psi for better handling and way more efficient to extend range.
Amazing video. I loved the breakdown of the cycle but it was outshined by the scenery.
@ybaldeagle Thanks! 👍
Nice video! FYI, chains are not noisy if: they are tensioned correctly, aligned correctly, properly lubricated, and not worn. Much higher maintenance than belts. But also much more reliable than belts - especially in off road conditions. That being said, I'm not too passionate about either.
@Andrew Saulnier For sure, the chains aren't too loud but man is this thing quiet with the belt. It's pretty amazing! 👍
Thanks for making this video. The offroad part wasn't really offroad at all but more of a washed out unsealed road. Would love to see this bike tested on a single trail with proper tyres, pressure etc.
I doubt the suspension will handle it well and the 19 inch front wheel might make real offroading sketchy but would be nice to see this disproven!
Mate that looks so much fun! Thank you so much for sharing!
fabulous content Electric Cycle Rider. I shattered that thumbs up on your video. Maintain up the high-quality work.
@Keyser The Red Beard Thank you very much! 👍
Nice review! Good camera angles
Pre ordered one , can’t wait
I've been riding for 40-plus years and I'm really tempted to get one of these bikes. But there is still a lot of mysteries and unanswered questions. About battery life and what happens when you do have one bad cell. How much for charging stations. Even dealers in my general area really don't have much information or many answers.
I'll just add some of my insight here in case you want it...
The fastest way to degrade a battery (in an EV or any li-ion batt) is to have the charge levels below 10% and above 90%, keeping it between will really increase the number of charge cycles. (defined as 0-100% charge sessions. Charging from 0-50, riding 50-0, then charging 0-50% again would be 1 cycle). I keep my EV between 20-80%, which increases the expected cycles from 500-700, to well over 1500, to maybe even 2000. Keeping this bike between 10-90 should get you easily 100-120K+ miles before battery capacity reaches 80% of original. Bumping that charge margin to 15-85% should get you over 150K. Even then, the bike won't be junk, your range will just slowly keep on decreasing.
I can't speak to what happens when a Zero has a bad cell, I haven't seen one torn down. I know in Tesla, each of the 4000+ cells are individually fused, so if one goes really bad, the fuse should break and not bring down the whole pack and instead only lose 0.02% capacity. Something to look out for on a Zero if your range suddenly decreases in the same conditions. Best to get it serviced right away.
As for charging cost, electricity wise, you'd only pay $1.80 to go from 0-100% at $0.12kWh. Not bad for 120+ miles of possible range. If you buy the charge tank with the J1772 connector, charge station (EVSE) costs can vary wildly. You can get a cheap chinese brand EVSE from scamazon for about $200. You'd need a 240V outlet in your garage to really make use of an EVSE though. If not, add in somewhere between $300-1200 for a 240V receptacle install. Even if you could just run some 12ga wire somewhere to a wall mounted unit or a NEMA 6-20 outlet to get 3.8kW of power, you could 0-100% recharge this in 3-4hrs.
A good EVSE will cost around $400-600 for something like a Chargepoint, Clipper creek, Grizzl-E, Juicebox, etc. I really like the Grizzl-E, it's very robust, and they have a mini version coming out that's reasonably portable.
Hope that helps, was bit long winded...
@@andrewt9204 it was a very big help.
Thank you very much for all the good information👍
I wonder what kind of foldable backpack solar applications can be used to recharge your E-dualsport while you take breaks in the wild. Solar cells built into an aftermarket backpack that charges the bike while you ride perhaps.
right now this wouldn't work even with smaller E bicycles. half a dozen full size quality panels would take something like 24 hrs or more of direct, optimal sunlight to charge the this bike.
@@amonaten13 Indeed, that's also a big day dream of the ebike crowd. Not practical, says this 35 years experience in all things solar, and 5 year ebike rider.
A backpack solar panel, perhaps 0.15 square meters at most, would provide about 10 watts of electrical power, and would recharge your DSR battery in about 1,500 hours, or 187 days, which is 6 months.
Think I’ll keep my KTM. Same hp. 100 lbs lighter. 250 mile range with aux tank cheaper.
Looks like one sweet ride. I'm putting it on my wish list.
It kinda looks like a naked street bike with a high front fender. Maybe it’s just the shorter forks. I would love to ride one. I think 80-100mile range is great. So much potential here 🤘
Love this video review especially because it's just west of where I live in Gunbarrel
@siouxbe1 That's right!
Can't wait for Sondors and Damon Bikes to put Zero out of business.
What a BEAST! 😍⚡🏍️
100 miles range / ~4 hour recharge just doesn't cut it! Petrol rules for Dual Sport / ADV until battery technology improves 3 fold.
Every technology starts somewhere. But yeah, before a bike cannot run at least 250 miles and be recharged in a couple of minutes gasoline definitely will keep ruling the market.
Plus there are any number of used gas bikes with low miles to be found at very reasonable prices.
@@laaaliiiluuu except we're really running out of oil on earth ;)
@@denishooper2618 in about 500 years
@@MandyFlame I can't sneak up on bigfoots on a gas bike sorry
Next bike is probably another DR650, but I can't wait to ride an electric dual sport like this in the future. After getting a Sur Ron, electric is better in so many ways, not quite there for an adventure bike however.
Good video. Helpful
You can't add both the power tank and the charge tank. 80% charge in 1 hour with charge tank. Average range is going to be less than 100 miles range. The S model has the charge tank option available and with the charge tank option is $3000 less than the dsr model without the charge tank option.
Such a great review,👍
@Mr Shaneyt43 Appreciate it! 👍
Seems like it would make sense to put led lights on the bike instead of that big yellow battery sucking headlight don't yah think lol
@Waylon Stagner That part is a bit surprising for sure...
Do buy a charge tank as you ll love and need the extra range between charges .. and buy aftermarket chargers bring them in a topcase ..
Do you still use hearing protection? At all speeds?
I'm curious how much noise you get just from the wind compared to the wind and the motor on a gas motorcycle.
Judging from the trees growing straight up we've got steeper roads in my neighborhood by far
How easy does it do a wheely? Also, when you launch on pavement, does it try to flip backwards?
The DSR is a great bike. However, I'm happy with my Surron Storm Bee (Enduro version). It's a motocross bike with street legal parts. However, I ride it almost only off-road because I live off-road in the mountains of Mongolia. On house electricity (240v), it takes 3 hours to charge from 0-100% but I rarely use more than 50%. Most of my rides are 1-3 hours in the mountains. We have very low electricity prices so it costs next to nothing to run. It's got a chain so it's noisier but I wouldn't want a belt in my riding territory with loose rocks.
I'm now a fan of electric bikes. I've also got an electric mountain bike and one cheap ICE motorcycle for when I need to take a passenger or go further than the Surron would allow. I could take the charger for a top up from a friendly homeowner but I haven't done that yet. Or put it in my truck along with a generator for multiple day trips from a base camp.
How has reliability been with the Storm Bee? I have been considering picking one up for myself but am unsure about availability of parts, especially because I am in the US. Thank you.
I have the prototype (pre-production) version. Reliability is not as good as my Surron Ultra Bee which was a full production bike. Sometimes the electric system just shuts down and displays some errors which even Surron doesn't want to do anything about. Parts are available from China directly but it's not a well supported after market like the LBX and then the Ultra Bee is somewhere in the middle.
I think the production version would be a better proposition and hopefully they got the bugs out since the pre-production model that I have.@@shastamite2
Thank you for the information. Also good to hear that the Ultra Bee has good parts availability. I am looking at a new Storm Bee that has the newer 104V 55AH battery for 5.7kWh of battery capacity which would be a good amount for me. But i am slo considering buying and upgrading an ultra bee. @@martinfoster5163
100+ range an i would do it, but 30 miles just isn't going to cut it.
Wow such a bad ass video and Bike. The 24 minutes just flew by
@surf rat 🙌
I've never seen a dodge UPS truck like that one that you passed 😮
are there any videos with no talking? would love to just hear the bike for a while in various conditions and circumstances
Just listen to a loud desktop computer fan in the distance, mute the video, and pretend you are listening to the bike.
Would love to see a comparison of the kolter banshee storm vs sur ron xx black vs cake kalk ink or just the banshee storm review
@JoeGo101 Copy that!
@@ElectricCycleRider 😃😃😃👍
Have you ever had the chance to ride the Alta Redshift Mx ?
@Terry Nicewonger Yes, if you check the channel, I raced an Alta in a Texas enduro. Great bikes! 👍
Great video.
Is there any reason something like a KTM freeride can’t be ridden on the street? Wouldn’t the conversion be straight forward in most states?
@James Oxford It really depends on the states regulations. I know in some states it is pretty easy and straight forward to street legal the KTM Freeride.
3:44 Ya but it only goes to about 100 mph. Needs another 50.
Do you have traction control ?
Didn't do any single track and you went around the puddles.
Get 400 lbs.tipped over on a steep hill and you might not pick it up. At least it's not hot,burning your leg, flooding the carb and dumping gas out.
What about rain,snow,,mud,river crossings?
How's the battery in freezing cold or desert heat?
Moisture killed one of my e mtn. bikes.
Thinking about it but you can get 8 used dirt bikes or a street ,dirt and dual sport for that kind of money.
Yeah, how's the weight of this rig on the trails ?
Impressive 👍
thanks for all BUT ...the quality of the test camera is really bad and it would be nice to have instantaneous speed data while riding it in a small window , and this is particularly lacking on videos like the one "Factory KTM vs. Modified Sur Ron Electric Dirt Bike" .... I say that I say nothing LOL ;)
I'm in the process of selling my house and if I get what I'm asking the first thing I'll buy will be a DSR with a fast charge tank. Anyone know how to buy one in Australia? Northern NSW?
Pretty good mileage for a bike. Would definitely want to add the package that will boost it through
It's not good mileage. Trust me. It's not awful, but you will have range anxiety and may also need a tow at some point like many have after loss of power.
Looks like I just seen the future now take me back to my KTM 525 bloody time machine portal's ova them
Hmmmm. start going left to curve right or right to curve left.. way later than where you would set up for the turn. Very strange.
Congratulations, magnificent video with a superb panorama and this motorcycle attracts me more and more because I have a Bomber that I assembled as a Kit, certainly much lighter which weighs only 80 kg with a nominal 8 Kw wheel motor and 12 Kw at peak and with my 77 kg it goes up to 100 km/h in 9 to 10 seconds but the autonomy of my battery which I had made to measure by a French specialist which is a 72 Volt 53 Ah does not gives only 65 km of maximum autonomy, the bms is a 100 A discharge and 50 A charge, when the controller is a Sabvoton of 150 A nominal and 350 A peak. I adjusted the engine brake in the advanced settings and it is really effective compared to this DSR where it is practically non-existent, it is one of the things to improve, and its price is much too high compared to the quality of its equipment . As I said to myself at ZERO, they should use much lighter and more powerful MOLICEL cells and directly incorporate a fast charger that does not take the place of the trunk in the false tank, this motorcycle for this high price should have better benefits.
For information here is my Bomber:
th-cam.com/video/VIWk9GCB3Gg/w-d-xo.html
Félicitations, magnifique vidéo avec un superbe panorama et cette moto m'attire de plus en plus car j'ai un Bomber que je me suis monté en Kit, certes beaucoup plus léger qui fait seulement 80 kg avec un moteur roue de 8 Kw nominal et 12 Kw en crête et avec mes 77 kg il monte maximum à 100 km/h en 9 à 10 secondes mais l'autonomie de ma batterie que j'ai fait fabriquer sur mesures par un spécialiste Français qui est une 72 Volts 53 Ah ne me donne que 65 km d'autonomie maximum, le bms est un 100 A en décharge et 50 A en charge, quand au contrôleur c'est un Sabvoton de 150 A nominal et 350 A en crête. j'ai réglé le frein moteur dans les paramètres avancés et il est vraiment efficace par rapport à cette DSR où il est pratiquement inexistant, ça fait partie des choses à améliorer, et son prix est beaucoup trop élevé par rapport à la qualité de son équipement. Comme je m'ai dit a ZERO, ils devraient utiliser des cellules MOLICEL bien moins lourdes et plus puissantes et y incorporer directement un chargeur rapide qui ne prenne pas la place du coffre dans le faux réservoir, cette moto pour ce prix élevé devrait avoir de meilleures prestations.
Pour information voici mon Bomber :
Great video mate
@Steve Ball Thanks for the note! 👍
put a lvl 3 charge on the bike and is game over
Interesting to me that this thing “burns” about 115watts/mile. My leaf is right at 250watts/mile. Why so inefficient?
Humans have pretty shit aerodynamics.
Great bike,better value
Level 2 isn’t considered fast charging. It isn’t DC to DC. Level 3 is fast charging.
Thanks for the amazing video any chance I will do the fxr range? Any more Surron videos coming soon?
@Aaron Kent Thanks! More videos with Zero and FX for sure. We've got some more Sur Ron stuff in the works too! 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider thank you for all the hard work. Fun as always to watch, and fantastic information
Everything you need for it is a backcountry power station....
The range and charge time limit this to little more than a toy (with a very limited playtime) rather than actual transport.
the average daily commute is less than 40 miles. This bike has the same range as a BMW i3.
@@adam_riley his comment was valid. Here in America, especially on a motorcycle, you're going to be doing over 50 a LOT and range is very poor. No one said it wasn't a good commuter or asked what the average daily commute is. His comment about the range and charge time however was extremely reasonable considering that it's ONLY good for commuting and not for taking out on pleasure/leisure rides or long distances. I don't know many people that don't mind taking hour to 2-hour long breaks during their ride.
@@MJ-sp6pq if it's only good for commuting then it's the opposite of what the original poster said. But feel free to think what you like. I'd be happy to ride that to work everyday.
I can see it needs bar risers.
Difficult? Unless I missed something looks doable on a HD
Nice bike , but disappointing they cant get the style of the bike up to modern standard.
The deer won't even know what hit him.
Why do motorcyclists feel the need to get insanely close to cars to pass by and around them? (11:30) Would you like it if a car did that to you? Passed double yellow lines to do it too. Motorcyclists treat the road like a playground, and get really pissed at cars that aren't "considerate" to them. Sorry, just tired of bikers doing that to me on the one lane highway I live near. Bikers give me anxiety when they drive up on my taillight like that. Stay the hell back off of people please. Nice bike though.
About how many miles would you say I can go on a single charge of road riding
16 grand base price?! Wooo nooo...
Nice vid...thanks. Since there are some off-road newbies on this channel, let me make one point clear. Turning off your ABS completely is generally a bad idea. If you can turn off the rear, that can be helpful when steering the rear or in certain steep & rocky descents, however, for us mere mortals, there is never a reason to turn off the front ABS. If it is a both off or none off choice (unless you and Chris Birch ride together regularly) leave it on. If you don't know Chris Birch and you are interested in big bikes off-road you might enjoy this: th-cam.com/video/3AdnricM6G0/w-d-xo.html Thanks again for the video..subed
my nighthawk 250 will go 300 miles on one 4 gallon tank of cheap gas
Does what it's supposed to do. Poor slowly my friend.
Some videos have turned me off to this! No customer support? Scary to invest so much money.
Its $23,000 here in Canada... Fk i can get a 1000cc Sport SxS for That.......... PaSS......
419 lbs? Hard pass.
Sabotage electric motos...
They suck .
Sooooo an electric motor does not have a rotating mass .......riiiiigggghhhhtttttt .......
So the real lesson is we don't need electric vehicles people want them
I still ride a gasoline powered motorcycle. I average 300 miles a day so the Zero won't work for me. Zero motorcycles are interesting, just not enough range for me.
108,000 Miles a year! GTFOUT
Geez us Christ! Came for the bike review, left after it turned into an commercial for a fucking APP!
@B Franco Seriously! The horror! You probably work for free too, right?
I would think the bike would have more torque being a motorcycle only at 116 foot pounds. My DIY mountain bike has 140 foot pounds of torque lol
I put some random circle burnouts on my channel recently if you want to see my build.
Ebike companies might be posting torque numbers at the wheel. This is torque at the motor. Two entirely different concepts. Your ebike probably doesn't have more than 20 ft lbs at the motor
@@dudea3378 Yeah, I built a 3kw road bike, 100 NM of torque supposedly.
But I'll tell you straight there's no way the dinky chain is holding that much, it slips gears.
I've gapped Groms until ~35 mph, but it's the responsiveness to wheelies that makes it fun, not the raw power when it's that damn light.
Go check a Zero dyno video to get some idea of the losses lol
I've been using same app and phone mount on my race Surron for a few months, helps alot in the car too. Riding Rampart Range Trail 770 next week, you up for it?
"Do a very quick charge on it"? C'mon man first of all 2 hours is not very quick. Anything that's going to get you reasonable range isn't even quick if you decide to just do a partial charge. Add on top that it's advertised at 2 hours and is really more like 2.5 and you have a "very long charge" lol. What are you going to be doing for all those hour long recharges after getting MAX 100 miles out of it @ freeway speeds. I didn't care for that comment. My own two cents for those out there that have less experience with these and honestly I don't think you should've said it. Do you work for Zero? A lot of the comments sound like marketing and not ownership, real world experience. Shill? Not a good reviewer but good intentions? IDK.
@M J Normal 110 outlet charge time is approximately 10 hours. When utilizing a J charger, it's 2 hours. 8 hours difference. When talking about the electric motorcycles we review, yeah, that is quick. Compared to filling up a fuel tank? No, it's not quick. I am speaking in context of what we're reviewing on this channel: Electric Motorcycles. No, I don't work for Zero and no they didn't pay for anything in this video. If you don't like the review, luckily you don't have to watch it again! Take care.
Remember, it's a crime to give a product a good review:)
I'll stick with my valkyrie and gs1200
Off-road map = depressing
If you can't do wheelies?? I ain't ever gonna ride one! Ever!
ZERO chance of me buying an EV bike.
Still uselessly low range.