"All In A Day's Work" Traditional Boomerang Making
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- A demo on traditional Karli making using basic bushcraft hand tools.
Watch as I fit a day's work - 9 hours of hard labor, into 15 minutes of video. The results are marvelous and fun, as the beauty of flight is found to live in the heart of a tree branch.
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Bushcraft Tools Used:
Gransfors Bruk Small Forest Axe
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Farrier's Rasp
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Shinto Saw Rasp
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Gomboy Silky Saw
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Well done Sir. I can only imagine the energy needed if using stone tools. People of the outback had plenty of time to work without TV distractions . Amazing how they developed the technology of flight.
This is so awesome. This is one of my goals in my quest to reconnect with nature. Your work is worth every penny sir and I really appreciate you!
Thanks Craig. That touches my heart and I feel the same way about this amazing technology.
Benjamin Scott
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ok i watched 3 throwsticks videos in a row, now i need wood
LOL. Take a walk through the forest and see what you can see! Let me know how you do.
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Insert dirty joke here
@@killmimes giggity
Not to mention a couple of years of practice.
Everytime I watch this I am impressed!
Means a lot coming from you.
Benjamin Scott
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Your son looks so much like you cool video good stuff 👌
Thank-you. He's quite a little MacGyver. You'll see more of him in the future as he gets old enough to join in with throwing in the next few years.
Benjamin Scott
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Beautiful! I just ordered the central desert hunter, and my kids and me are excited to try it out in the field! Thank you for your work!
Beautiful!!
Nice work ol mate u did a good job
Awesome!!
Brilliant job. I really enjoyed your video.
Thank-you. Maybe some day I will revisit this and do something more complex as well. I just wanted to use basic tools and do it in a day and this is how it turned out. That Chinese Elm was so tough to split!
You made a beautiful Kylie. It throws really well.
Thanks, I appreciate that coming from an expert. This was just meant to be a quick day job to show what could be done with basic tools in the woods. Nothing was ideal but it still turned out nice and flew well. I wish I had more access to bent hardwood elbows. If so, I'd do this more often. But those are hard to come by. I was thinking of contacting some of the local arborists someday to see if they could be a source for me. There's oak around here but it's not my first choice to work with.
I'm amazed to see you make a boomerang..thank you for giving me how to make a boomerang.I will try it ..👍🤗
Love❣
WOW! Beautiful! thank you so much ^___^ so inspiring!
Thank-you.
Benjamin
Throwsticks.com
Good job, some traditional ones can be a little bigger but that was a great effort. That would certainly stun at mid range and possibly kill at short range. It flew pretty well. To think before white man's tools they used to make them with only stone tools
Thanks. Wish our piece of wood was a bit bitter. Also had the defect that the grain ran offline from bottom to top but best we could manage at the time. Stone tools would be a real challenge. I pay honor to those with the skills to do that!
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Nice work Ben!
Thank-you. That was a long day's work but worth the effort.
I just subscribed to your channel. You have a couple of videos on stick fighting that would definitely apply to how one could effectively defend themselves with a karli.
excellent job
Niiiice handwork btw!
Thanks :) Ben
You really have that technique! I've never flown a Kylie, only boomerangs. I'll be trying one soon and looking to your technique as a starter I think. That flight is spot on....
Glad you enjoyed this. I'm assuming you saw other other videos where I'm throwing at much much longer ranges than in this one. If you ever want to just break down and purchase a quality kylie, check out our website, www.Throwsticks.com Also, check out our history/science page on there for some basic info on how the physics work. Kylie tuning is much more difficult than boomerang tuning and in this video I'm only showing basic concepts.
Mate, you are unbelievably talented
Thanks mate! I appreciate it.
Benjamin Scott
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Nice throw man...
Im doing one now out of live oak. After 8 hours using a survival hatchet, im about 2/3 the way.
What I will say is this is no easy task with minimal tools: that said if one is put into survival situation, just use a basic throwstick at first. The amount of energy and water expended for this is only meant for a steady or long term sitiuation.
I recommend making/buying one for a bug out kit - as opposed to planning on making one. Not something id want to do on day one of survival. Also, as shown, you will need practice before planning on earning a meal either way.
Ben - great content. Excellent writing on your website too.
Thanks. Have no idea why I didn't see your comments last year! Totally agree with you.
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Great!!!
That's mine! 👍🤓
We've upgraded them. Check out www.throwsticks.com/karli
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I built one of my own from a curved western cedar tree and it made an amazing Karli! It throws well and hits like a ton of bricks!
That's awesome! I bet it smells great too! You should put a video together on it. There isn't enough of this on youtube yet!
Benjamin Scott
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@@Throwsticks I have more material I'll make another one for sure! You're correct though western cedar smells amazing when you're working with it.
@@jrhamilton4448 Excellent!!! Have fun under the Sun!
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I have spent many days trying to turn multiple pieces of wood into a throwing stick that actually works to no avail. On the other hand I have made plenty of wood shavings and have yet to make one that flies. Can you please make another video that explains the finer details of how this works.
Thanks for the request. Filming has proven very challenging for us with our work schedule for some time here. Hopefully some day we can do more. In the meantime what is the trend of what your sticks are doing in flight? Rising, falling, turning to the outside, unstable? Throwstick making and tuning is actually a lot more complex than boomerang tuning, which is already a difficult task itself. I don't mind coaching you some by email. You are clearly devoted to this artform.
Ben
www.throwsticks.com
Great video, i have been looking for such a video for quite a long time, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us :D
My pleasure. I could barely scratch the surface of how much complexity there is to this craft but it was a great pleasure to make a kylie in a day.
Throwsticks Channel Its fine for me, i am into bushcraft and learning to developnthe skill to make and throw such a kylie would be pretty neat. I guess i will just do more research on this topic and will then create my own one. Btw I will either use elm or yew, should work pretty well i guess...
I love bushcraft as well. I've been making bullwhips for 23 years and I love the woods and being out in them.
Check out my history and science page at throwsticks.com for the most info I've seen anywhere on this topic in one place on the web. Even that just scratches the surface of the precise work I put into fine tuning a kylie so it will fly 100 meters straight and level. The tuning is more complex than that of a boomerang.
You want the heaviest wood you can find with a specific gravity of at least .70 and if you can get something up to 1.2 or 1.3, you're even better off. If you use lighter weight wood then start thick and thin it down slowly until it's doing what you want. The more you thin it down, the more it will start to lift. Thin down the end you hold more than the other end by a slight amount, for best overall results. A full sized kylie is usually about 1/2" or about 12mm thick.
Also, wood will split if it's not adequately seasoned. Technically it's best to season a bend tree branch for a few years. I only had a few months time on the Chinese Elm and that piece wasn't ideal since it was
warped, but Chinese Elm is very resistant to splitting and quite strong. In a survival situation seasoning will not be possible because you'd want a weapon in a day like I did here...., but the wood can be sealed with animal fat to prevent it from dying out too quickly, and to help keep it in tune as long as possible. The Shinto Saw Rasp is great for taking out into the woods because it's lightweight and portable.
That's the best I can give to get you started, but if you ever want to experience what a well made kylie can do first hand, I'll make you one from polycarbonate, which has a specific gravity similar to mulga wood.
Throwsticks Channel Thank you, i think you should do more tutorial on building kylies, as your tutorial is just one of few.
thank for share , i don't even know about that and nice videos, keep on
Thank-you.
I just made one. Not as big as the one you made. I used a V elbow branch of an Ironwood tree. It flies very good and straight. I still need to smooth it out and hopefully it will perform better.
Ironwood is an excellent choice. The V elbow if it's the split between two branches can tend to be more fragile than just a single bent branch itself but in a small enough size it may not be an issue. It's fantastic that you have access to ironwood. I hope you have a good time learning this skill. It would be fun to see a video on your channel about it.
Benjamin Scott
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Throwsticks Channel I will be posting it on my channel not this Monday, but next Monday. I have another video ready for this Monday. My channel name is BoB’s Woodland Adventures. Please sub so you can get the notification when it’s up.
I just subscribed. Have fun with the throwsticks.
Ben
Throwsticks Channel I’ve uploaded the video. I was wondering if you watched it yet? I was also wondering if the video seems blurry to you? Someone commented that some of my past videos were blurry. I’m still trying to figure it out.
I'v been really busy but I did get a chance to view it. It seems your camera may have some focus problem or something because the image is blurry to me as well. Keep having fun.
Mesmo assim gostei. Ficou incrível
Obrigada!
Benjamin Scott
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Well. It’s been a long time, but I finally got around to smoothing our my boomerang style throwing stick as well as made a second one. They both seem to perform well. Now I may make the kind you made in this video. The new video of my boomerangs is up on my channel.
Original boomerangs were not toys...it were never designed to come back to you...
It was weapon...wich mean it was used to kill or cripple the target.
Amaizing skills...i was watching all of your videos i think ))...im also trying a fiew designs right now...i could not find to much Info on how you tune a throwing Stick...for example if you want him to fly above the ground without climing to high...negative dehidral?
Email me at my website and I can pass some literature along to you, but the truth is it's a subtle art form based in extensive experience, and all the published theories are inadequate. Every adjustment you make on the stick affects something else so it's extremely complex. It's much easier to get a bent stick to fly on a curve and return to the thrower than to make it fly straight and level to distance. But if you throw a straight stick it won't fly at all! Anhedral will tend to make a throwstick unstable but too much dihedral will make it rise too much. It took me many years of subtle research to achieve what I do now. You can play with the skew on the stick like I'm doing in the video to start.
Benjamin Scott
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Nice.
Thank-you.
Benjamin Scott
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That’s an awesome video showing how to carve it. I learned a lot from it. A few months back when I learned about kylies I got fascinated with them, and in just 3 months I made 7 of them, 5 flew some how and off that 3 made it between 30 & 50 meters, but end up cracking probably because the wood wasn’t dried up properly. I learned a bit on heat drying them and I used my oven. But still not 100% dry. Your work is great, pretty sure I’ll order one soon. Where can I send you pictures of the one I made to see what you think?
Thanks for sharing about your adventures with this ancient craft. It's definitely fun but difficult and unfortunately with wood breakages are common. I hear this a lot.
To contact us and send us pictures you can visit our website, posted below and go to the ocntact page. Use the email address posted there. I can't post it on youtube but we'd be happy to look at your work.
If you get one of ours in polycarbonate you will find it's durable and flies beautifully. I definitely hope for your business and will make you a fantastic product! It took years of research to make them perform on this level.
Benjamin Scott
www.Throwsticks.com
Interesting
Genio!! Gracias.solo una pregunta que madera utilizas?.
¡En realidad nos especializamos en el uso de policarbonato de alto impacto! Se ve y se siente mucho como la madera, ¡pero mucho más duradero!
So is the short end of the karli a wing as well or is it just a weight to keep it spinning. I made the same mistake as one of the commenters below, I carved a wing shape just like a plane.
As you were saying though, the high point of the wing is more towards the center rather than the leading edge. Correct?
The whole throwstick is one bent spinning wing, as air is flowing over all surfaces and will have an effect. It is not necessary to make one wing longer than the other. Symmetrical shapes also work well. As far as airfoils are concerned, flat on the bottom and rounded on top is a good airfoil to choose and is the one I use, but it's not the only one which can be used. The weight of the wood, the length of the stick, etc..., all factor in to the final product. The high point is at half cord width, as you are saying. Curved surfaces tend to produce lift and flatter ones less so. This video is just a really crude and brief overview of a very complex artform. Even the piece of wood I used was not really adequate. It does show what's possible with basic tools, however.
Benjamin Scott
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You need to try a Boombastik boomerang, by Ascanio Capato
hello very good video, i live in costa rica can you tell me which wood is good here? always have to let the wood dry? thank you very much
I'm uncertain about wood choices in Costa Rica but look for something very hard and heavy. To let the wood dry you may seal it in a plastic bag as you are working on the project over a period of time, and put the plastic bag in the sun or in the dash of a car for an even faster seasoning.
Benjamin Scott
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O cara usa ferramentas que nunca vi e chama de tradicional 😅😅
Hey bro just watched your video and it inspires me to know more on how to make boomerangs, whats the type of timber that you use or what type or tree is the best for making boomerangs, I've made a demonstration of 1 but not how you do it, need to know more bro # Australia#Culture...
John, Glad you enjoyed the video. We had access to some Chinese Elm for this video. Very resistant to splitting but on the lighter weight side of what is acceptable. The Aboriginals used Acacia for most of their work and the specific gravity was generally about 1.10 or 1.20 and in some cases even more! Basically any hard wood that has a specific gravity of at least .80 is good. The grain of the wood must go with the bend of the stick in all directions. On the piece I used in the video the grain was weak from top to bottom since the log had an upwards warp to it. A lot of woods will work, such as dogwood, hawthorne, ironwood, oak. If you visit www.throwsticks.com/contact and send me an email, I will send you a document I made for tree service, which has a more extensive list of woods that can be used. You can season the wood rapidly and evenly by putting it in a sealed plastic bag and then resting it on the dash of your car in the sun.
Benjamin Scott
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So I've make two out of green dog wood, they're a lot more difficult to make that you make it look, they go farther than a regular stick but no where near the range of the stick I bought from you .
Any tips for a beginner to get a proper air foil or is it a learn as you go?
Great job working on this skill in the field for yourself. It's an ancient craft. The best airfoil as far as I'm concerned is semi-lenticular. Round on the top and flat on the bottom, as I always do. Others are used historically and in modern times by other makers. Slowly thin things out until you get the lift you want, and/or carve in or warp in some skew into the wing tips to change the attitude. It took me 5 years of intense research to achieve 100 yards straight and now I'm well beyond that. The tuning is very complex when you're going for the performance these things are capable of. If you email me I can send you some additional literature.
Benjamin Scott
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I just had one more question if you wouldnt mind, Benjamin. Would you say the short arm is roughly 1/3rd the length of the long? Thats what it looks like in the video to me. Is there a formula you use for this? Thank you so much!
Yes that's correct for the style I was making there, which was common in SW USA and Central Australia. But although that's a good forumla, elbows located between 50% and 75% of the way up should work fine. There are even examples where the elbow is located on the other arm and the kylie is then thrown by the wrong arm with the bend backwards. The bent shape gives the stick stability and good balance for throwing.
Benjamin Scott
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I have 2 questions after watching this. Do you carve a profile as a aerofoil or just a symeterical rounded bevel? And secondly, what is the ralationship between karli and hand-held fighting boomerang (curved war club)? Did karli evolved from it, hence the shape? Thanks for the great video, by the way :)
The airfoils on hunting boomerangs vary in many regions but the Karli is semi lenticular. Flat on the bototm and curved on top. On a basic level there are no leading and trailing edge differences as all surfaces come into play as it spins. Tuning can be extremely complex and counter-intuitive, and was really beyond the scope of this video.
War clubs of various types were used side by side with hunting boomerangs in many regions of Australia, and there are also very fine cross overs such as with the "Lil Lil." Clubs are specialized for hand to hand striking and hunting boomerangs for hunting primarily, but they could also be used for fighting if it came to it.
Throwsticks.com will be producing a Lil Lil war club in the coming months. It's designed and just needs to complete the manufacturing of a large batch now.
The Karli was a specialized multi-tool which was oriented around long distance hunting but was also used for fighting. Central Desert peoples traveled light and would carry these as multi-tools. The Lil Lil is good to about 50 meters for hunting and the Karli can be good out to about 100 meters if made well.
You can learn more in our highly educational website, link below. Check out the history and science pages as well as the Q+A. Let me know if you have any other questions. Thanks for viewing.
Benjamin Scott
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Thank you for the in-deaph explanation.
Have thought about trying a bandsaw to rough it out? A work table will help too.
Rex,
Yeah that's how the blanks are usually made these days but it's difficult to turn the elbow safely through the band saw. My attempt was to do this with fairly basic and primitive tools, in a day. The axe I was using was not ideal.
Benjamin Scott
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I'm interested in making one of these, but I'm not sure I'd want to make a full sized one quite yet. Could making a smaller model karli from plywood be possible to learn how carving the tips a certain way affects flight? I'm thinking, that by watching you (Ben), that if carving the upper surface of the karli's tip thinner makes the karli gain lift, carving the lower surface thinner should make the karli lose lift. I do want to practice this to be sure of what I suspect though. These seem deceptively complex, that's for sure.
Plywood is really light weight compared to hard wood, so I recommend getting a bent hardwood elbow instead, but you can experiment with plywood and learn. The entire wing's surface affects the flights, but the tips do offer the majority of potential for affecting flight path because they experience the greatest airspeed. Kylies are extremely complex to make and tune. They are much more complex than boomerangs. That's why I started Throwsticks.com once I learned to produce such great results. As you can see in some of my other videos, I can make throwsticks that will fly straight more than 100 meters. In fact my best work for a 12oz throwstick is doing more than 130 meters straight, presently.
"Thick and thin" are relative terms and every throwstick is a bit different depending on how wide to how thick it is in relationship to the density of the material that it is made of. If a wing starts off too thick, then as it's thinned down it will gradually produce more and more lift, all other things being equal.
Ben
Also would willow wood work well for a kylie? I'm wondering, since the wood seems rather soft, if it might be better off as a grounded template for cutting other kylies from plywood.
Willow is much too soft. You need a hard wood of one sort or another. If you go to my website and email me, I can send you a fairly complete list of woods which will work.
So will a throwing stick work in thick forestes seams better in a open field I have no success with slings in heavy forest slingshot is better just wondering
Great question. We find the Wedge War Club is the best at penetrating brush. Your experience with sling stones applies here as well and more so because of the perpendicular orientation of the stick to the growth of most brush. Generally they are more like flying lawnmower blades rather than arrows.
Benjamin Scott
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@@Throwsticks sounds good thanks for the reply i will try that one
What would you say is the ideal angle for a branch to make a karli? The one you have there looks near 45 degrees. I know I could craft the karli easily, its the airfoil that would be a big problem to figure out. Do you offer paid courses to learn?
Jay,
Thanks for the questions. I'd say about 35 degrees is about right but it doesn't matter too much, if it looks about like what I'm doing there. More bent sticks are a bit more stable to work with and more opened up ones a bit less so. There are other differences but nothing to worry much about.
What I'm doing in this video is basic. Just get a bent stick with a curved airfoil on top and flat on the bottom. Work rough and as you thin things down and lighten them up, lift will increase. You can also carve or twist skew into the stick to change the lift, but I recommend keeping the short arm neutral to negative. I started off negative on the one in the video and I lessened it later on.
I am not presently teaching throwstick making, although some day we may have the time to do workshops and travel to events. The skill is more complex to master than tuning returning boomerangs and has taken me years to grasp. I think it's one of those things that really thrived when it was a central technology of a given culture, and then it died when it wasn't the topic of conversation around the camp fires. If you check out www.throwsticks.com/history_science.html I have a more in depth discussion of the science on there, however even that is highly simplistic.
Have you seen our other videos yet? We're making full sized hunting kylies that fly out past 120 meters flat. The refinements possible to this technology are incredible.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Throwsticks Channel Thank you for the reply. Ill check that information out.
are the airfoils at the two sides of that Kylie facing opposite directions to generate lift on rotation?
Toby,
The reason that the typical airfoils for airplanes are shaped as you are specifying is to create a more gradual or gentle adverse pressure gradient over the trailing portion of the wing to prevent airflow detachment and thus stall out at high angles of attack. This can be important on some airplanes.
A throwstick's airfoils historically tended to always peak towards the center of the wing. Sometimes a semi lenticular shape was used and sometimes a full lenticular shape which had a wing rather like a P-51 Mustang (to make a comparison between airplanes and kylies). In either case I can tell you from experience that a throwstick is best made to not produce very much lift or it will behave as a boomerang and soar up into the sky.
In the video I am controlling the amount of lift produced by the wingtips by carving in the angle of attack and altering the thickness to width ratio. Thinner wings tend to produce more lift than thicker ones do.
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very informative, thanks!
I can make one using only an axe and glass pieces for scraping
That's awesome! The ability to use available resources to create better and better tools is the essence of skilled bushcraft.
Benjamin Scott
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is it important to use the center part of the log for the kili ?
It's not important to use the center and if possible, get 2 sticks from a log if you can. That way you will have a matched set. The log I was using was not very good since it had an upward bend in it, putting the grain through the body of the stick. I just did this video as a quick demonstration and it is best to carefully select and then season any hardwood you use. Select very dense and heavy woods such as boxwood or dogwood.
As a green woodworker I have to point out that wood is much easier to work unseasoned. Have you tried roughing the stick out while still green and fine tuning when dry? It wouldnt make much difference to power carving but when using hand tools it does!
Andrew,
Thanks for the comments. Yeah, so that Chinese Elm was tough. I was not using proper tools, obviously, but even with the right hatchet it would have been tough, and especially when seasoned, as you observed. The concern with throwsticks is that if they warp at all after being crafted, the tuning is completely thrown off in the process. You can have a stick that flies straight and suddenly it will either dive or fly into the sky. For those who have skills at re-tuning, such as the Aboriginal peoples from days gone by, that's not a problem, but it is possible to end up with splits or warps so bad that a stick can't be salvaged. My friend Denton Bragg is more an expert here than I am.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Splits tend to occur more in wood that has dried in the round, the greatest % of shrinkage is circumferential. If you split green wood through the pith in the centre it has a much better chance of not splitting as it dries. The stuff I carve I carve green and then tidy up when it has dried, I just thought it migh be an area for experimentaion. Having said all that I just watched a video of an old Aboriginal chap who used standing dead wood.
Andrew,
Thanks for that information. You have far more experience here than I do with this and I appreciate the tips.
In Australia the desert hardwoods were very dry even when green. Amazing stuff. Still, I think the ability to re-tune or just make another stick was an essential skill of survival in those times and places. I've handled artifacts that were warped beyond being able to fly, so some warping did occur. They would generally seal the wood with animal fat such as goanna lizard oil, to at least help these problems.
Benjamin Scott
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Is the thick edge of the aerofoil shape of the wood on opposite sides? So it is always on the leading edge as the stick spins?
Sorry, I didn't see your reply until now. I use standard semi-lenticular airfoils with no leading and trailing edges, per se. That's a general statement, as there are exceptions in my most advanced work. But just plain semi-lenticular airfoils work well and there is no need for thoughts about front and back. Flat on bottom and round on top works good. Some kylies are made with full lenticular airfoils that are round on top and bottom but I don't prefer that method myself.
Benjamin Scott
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Can someone please send me to or show me the airfoil of the aboriginal karli like in the video. I have the shape ready but I have no clue of how to make the air foil.
It's a semi-lenticular airfoil. Flat on the bottom and domed on top. The ends are the most sensitive to tuning.
Benjamin Scott
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How do you tune a Karli??? Do you just take a little off the tips???
It is a complex science and I am still learning more all the time as I continue my extensive experimentation. A bent stick wants to fly on a curved path, not a straight one. The trick is to turn that curve into a pitching angle of attack which is balanced across the two wing tips so that the stick flies straight and overcomes gravity at the same rate as it would normally fall. Since airspeed, drag, angle of attack and lift are not constants, it's really challenging. It took me over 5 years of intensive research to get as good as I now am, and my top flights are about 140 meters on a regular basis.
For the sake of explaining the video, the wing tips are always the most sensitive to tuning and I focused on them in this video for the sake of speed. The short arm tends to control the steering and the long arm to control the height of the flights. I adjusted both in the video to achieve reasonably correct flights. This can be done by carving in different shapes which will have an affect on lift and requires a knowledge of how wings work, which was beyond the scope of this video.
Benjamin Scott
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Hey sir!. Your shoes! What brand is it, and are there any websites you know of that have them? . Thanks
Haakon Sandvik,
Yeah www.lemsshoes.com/ They are really light weight and comfortable.
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Throwsticks Channel ohh!. Yeah they look grate. Christmas peasant to me self! Thank you. All the best from Norway
Great. Hope you like them. All the best to you as well. Ben
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great work ... your back must kill after all that, I would try to find a way to work with less bending over and squatting
Yeah that was not the way I usually make them, but in the field realities like that are normal. I felt bad I needed to cheat by even going back into my workshop or using that vise. I couldn't handle the work in a day without those cheats.
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I really like your work but I can guess your kid is kind of holding the torch while looking at the car ,it might be cool to give him a camera phone or something and he records doing some flint knapping while you do your bit your bit. The you can connect later on the projects
Yeah Charlie is a pretty cool kat. He kind of comes and goes as he pleases on stuff and he makes more stuff than I do. We were in a big rush on this project to get the work done in a single day.
Ouch. I doubt the rock felt it. Did it damage your work?
It was ok, just a minor scratch. The stick did break at a later date on another hard impact, however, which is one of the reasons I focus my work in polycarbonate rather than hard wood. I do enjoy hard wood when I get a suitable piece.
For best results the curve of the grain of wood must correspond with the bend of the stick while remaining straight on any dimension where the stick is. The piece I used had a curve from lower to upper surface at one place and this is where it failed.
Benjamin Scott
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you should make one out of steel
I could but it would take the man of steel to throw it. The work I sell is all made of polycarbonate, which is what is used to make bullet proof glass. It's light enough weight to manage. I'm looking into possibly using G10 in the future but the polycarbonate is working well for us for now and total flight ranges exceed 100 meters straight.
Benjamin Scott
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Would it not have been easier to split it while green?
It is possible to work with green wood if certain methods are used and the process left incomplete until the wood has fully seasoned. If one finishes a green stick too soon, the tuning will change almost immediately afterwards as the wood dries out.
Do you fire harden the wood ? If not why?
I've heard that sometimes wood has been force dried rapidly over the fire to prevent excess moisture from causing warping to occur later. I'm not sure how common a practice this was. The purpose wasn't to harden but to dry. The best practice is to season the wood before use and the main concern is to prevent splitting, warping and changes in weight as the wood dries. The precise tuning of the kylie has to be set in when it's made and any changes afterwards in the wood, would inevitably be bad.
For kylie making only the most heavy and hard woods are good to use. You want a specific gravity high enough that the wood sinks in water.
good to know im in the process of making my own. thanks for the reply
Aboriginals fire harden
does being left handed cause problems for throwing
Yeah it's important to get a kylie that's made for a left handed thrower if you're a southpaw. Throwsticks.com makes a left handed kylie called the Whale's Tail, which is one of our most popular models.
thank you for the information , i am a maker so am going to have a go myself . is eucalyptus a good wood for karlies i have a large one in my garden ( in England) i live near a beach to practise on so fancy having a go
Eucalyptus is too light in weight. You need a curved tree branch from a very hard tree. Look for dogwood or boxwood. Aborigines used mulga and other desert hard woods. The grain has to go with the bend of the stick or it will split.
The tuning of kylies is much more complex than that of boomerangs. Study hard and have fun.
much obliged
I want wood and axe
video on how to tune one?
We may get to that eventually, but I'll have to get a lot more time on my hands. I don't make too many hardwood kylies due to lack of suitable materials around here. There are a few approaches to tuning, with the one I was using here being angle of attack on the wing tips. It gets the job done if you go slowly.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Throwsticks Channel thanks for the reply! i actually ordered a kylie from you today, super excited for it to arrive (said you shipped it today too!) last question is, have you ever thought of making woomeras out of polycarbonate?
Sadly, there's zero (0) Information on the WWW on how to tune one.
This rare video info describes on increase for lift by positive tuning the tips, but showing you file the upper sides - totally
Dizzying- i Don't get it.
Guess i have to shape by my self and see what happens.
Regards..
Now i have the blank ready for tuning.
Is your tuning video coming ever? :)
how is it aboriginal if its Japan wood?
Not to mention the lack of stone and kangaroo teeth ended adze, and the fact that I'm not of Aboriginal descent. It's "Aboriginal" as a credit to those who first developed the overarching techniques I'm using and am inspired by. I didn't invent this stuff and at best I can just do a cheap imitation of the brilliant work once done in the Australian bush. I hope that there gets to be a revival of traditional work among the indigenous Australians and a return to more of the old ways. Times have changed too far and I just want to give credit where it's due mate.
Benjamin Scott
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yea yea understandably mate keep it up.
You sure those are legal there in Cali? Lol
More appreciation of the work that the Aboriginals must have put into their own considering they would have been using stone tools.
Absolutely! Some of their work is incredible from an aesthetics perspective, let alone the flights!
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
I'd like to know more about their tool craft. I had no luck looking for their stone knapping abilities.
Sorry not traditional abo’s had no axes iron or tools like this
Have you ever been hunting with a rabbit stick?
If I have I can't admit to it as it's illegal where I live, except in survival situations. I have customers around the world, some of whom send pictures or tell stories of their hunts. Throwsticks are powerful against small game, including hares, grouse, turkey, geese, ducks, etc..., and can also take larger game on leg breaks, such as deer. But this practice is cruel and should not be used other than in survival situations.
@@Throwsticks Can it be used to slow down large carnivores? Such as coyotes, wolves, or mountain lions?
Or racoons
@@trainlife5903 Coyotes were hunted with throwsticks in California, according to my research. Wolves and mountain lions may be scared off by thrown objects such as sling stones and throwsticks, but another weapon should be kept back in case they attack or the thrown object is a miss. A leg strike may result in a break, if one uses a large stick and gets a solid hit. I once scared off a bobcat with a 13 ounce throwstick but I missed him when I took the throw and impacted on the hill right behind his hind quarters. He was taking my chickens at night and not welcome here.
Benjamin Scott
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I bet your forearms felt that the next day, cool Karli but
Same day! It was extremely exhausting. The Chinese Elm was ridiculously resistant to splitting. That makes it great for making throwsticks but it really is tough stuff.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
I bet mate, onya for keeping it alive
... and I thought traditional means made with stone stools.
Yeah there is a spectrum of traditions going back in time. Got to admit I don't have the stone tool skill level yet. At least not in a single day. Aboriginals traditionally switched to steel tools as soon as they were available to them but they were masters with both and deserve tremendous respect for their accomplishments.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Traditional means, as of tradition. So really if your not related to the culture it cannot be tradition
The title is traditional boomerang making, but it should be making a traditional boomerang
What is that noise! It’s driving me nuts.
I think my broken fan was on in my shop. The heat was killing me and I barely finished this video in a day's work. Sorry about the noise.
Thanks for the effort man
How can this be a traditional karli??
It’s not native Australian wood and it’s not made in country. Misses the point completely :((
Language is flexible in meaning including the word "traditional." From my perspective, no one in the entire world is doing traditional boomerang making in all its aspects, since historic results are not being achieved by anyone with historic materials and methods. However, I am presenting some of those here even if not all of them and hence my use of the term within its flexible aspect. Further, the word boomerang was not being used by anyone who did traditional boomerang making, so the whole idea is oxymoronic. Absolutizing language from within our own perspective is the opposite of communicating. You have your perspective and I have mine.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
@@Throwsticks I am proud First Nations man!!!!
And you are?
@@biggsnoopdogg21 I am a man who's proud of First Nation's men as well and do as much as I can to promote that heritage to new generations. It's a great heritage and should be celebrated globally, as it has been. Be proud of your ancestory and do excellent things in your life to leave behind a legacy as well. What other people do doesn't matter if you are proud of who you are and doing your best. Greatness always shines. As far as who I am, my work speaks for itself. Be well and do well.
I love the video, but there's nothing "Traditional" about how u are making this. Please change the video title to something more accurate. Maybe something like "Making a Traditional boomerang with modern tools"
Thanks for your thoughts and glad you liked the video. The techniques being used here are traditional as far as the traditions have been passed down by the Australian Aboriginals. If you watched them doing this work it would be just about the same. I'm using all hand tools which were in used for hundreds of years in Australia and the Americas, as soon as they were available to indigenous peoples. Axes, saws and rasps. Modern boomerang making does not use these techniques any longer. There is no tradition of making boomerangs with stone tools which has been passed on now. That tradition is long gone and lacked the efficiency of steel tools. In Australia the work was done with steel axes, saws and rasps as soon as they could be acquired. Modern boomerangs like this are made with power tools now.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Like all of the traditional boomerangs and didgeridoo that come from Bali?? You cannot make something and call it tradition because it isn't your culture
Classic American
The fact that some of them currently use modern methods doesn't mean those methods are considered traditional. And theres still plenty of em out there that still use stone tools to make em. Ya just gotta know where to look.
Throwing it terribly wrong man.
This isn't a boomerang so it is thrown horizontally and not vertically. Using a horizontal throwing technique I'm able to achieve distances beyond 130 meters with a 14 ounce stick.
I’m Wiradjuri. My people invented this.
Rasps suck they are way to slow. You need a draw knife and a spoke-shave
Jared,
Those would be fantastic tools to use but I was not using the best tools available for each task, just trying to show what could be done with a few simple tools in a fairly traditional manner. My hatchet was not ideal for carving either. Rasps were used historically to make throwsticks, after European contact, but before that, stone adze and animal teeth were the methods of choice. For final tuning the stick a rasp is ideal and I continue to use one for my business, although I use power tools to do the main carving.
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
+ Jared - Try making a hunting stick using only obsidian - flint - chalcedony stone tools the way the Old Ones did .
Yeah those guys deserve serious respect. They used to do the fluting with kangaroo teeth!
Benjamin Scott
Throwsticks.com
Benjamin Scott you make great points about the old way of doing it proper. Another reason these desert men get my respect is the species of trees they used !! There a serious hard wood and most are very old so they have a large amount of silica from the sand in them. Thanks for this vid !
This is not traditional way I am an aboriginal murri from Yuwaalaraay/Gamilaraay tribe and this is not traditional way change the name of your video it is disrespectful to my culture
To honor you and your people I changed the name of the video to remove any connotations that this is "Aboriginal," since I'm not Aboriginal. But there are many Aboriginal cultures and the way I learned this method of turning a log into a flying stick was from the instructions of Aboriginal craftsmen of other groups than yours, with multiple showing this same method, so I still hold that my original title was accurate since that's where I was mainly instructed. Of course I honor your heritage as well, but you know there are many styles and ways to make what is now universally called but never was called a boomerang in the tradition. No one can speak for all such traditions, including you and I. I seek to be a student of all of them from alll over the world, not just Australia.
In return for my honoring your request, if you would do me the honor of describing what traditions of boomerang making your culture still preserves and passes on, I would value those comments. The traditions did not stay with stone tools when steel became available. Even traditions evolve..., but I am curious as to what techniques you would descrbie here which differ from my own and it would enrich our comment section.
Thanks, Ben
You're throwing it wrong
This is a straight flying stick not a returning boomerang. They are thrown horizontally. If you check out our video entittles "Beyond The Goals" you will find I can throw my top work about 130 meters straight out. Also able to hit small targets at short range. The best way to throw is the way that works for the thrower.
Benjamin Scott
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