Why is SPOILER Miquella's Consort in the Elden Ring DLC? | Shadow of the Erdtree Lore
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When I finished up the Elden Ring DLC, I had so many questions: Why is Radahn the final boss in the Elden Ring DLC? Why is Radahn Miquella's consort? Did Radahn agree to make that vow with Miquella? Or is there something much more sinister going on?
After scouring both the DLC and the base game with a fresh pair of eyes, I found my answers.
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"Radahn wants to ride leonard, not miquella"😂
Nah bro that line was crazy 💀
Would prob be the other way around 😭
Of course Radahn loves Miquella. Ask Mohg.
Is miquella gay or is he genderless. This I dont understand very well.
Rahdan is a horse girl, he chooses Leonard obviously.
You know how this vow sound. When a 6 year old tells you he is gone marry you when he is older. And you say yes yes to shut him up while you play a game.
Ignorant and thoughtless comment. Miquella looks young but he's as old as Malenia and not to mention he's was genius at incantations even before abandoning the Golden Order
@@guighee7310miquella may be smart but he's emotionally and mentally immature
he Abandoned his sense of love, compassion, doubts, fear, regret, and in an effort to make everything humane, lost his own humanity in the process
@@guighee7310 it’s an observation made about a fictional character. You don’t have to take it that seriously. Learn to maneuver that Margit sized stick out of your ass
@@generalsheep4169 ''he Abandoned his sense of love, compassion, doubts, fear, regret, and in an effort to make everything humane, lost his own humanity in the process'' Miquella was someone willing to sacrifice his corporeal being in order to unbind himself from the Greater Will and start a new order that would create a better world, unlike Ranni that selfishly sacrificed poor Godwyn instead. Godwyn is the soulless monstrosity that lives in death now because of Ranni. No demigod is an upstanding citizen, but Miquella is by far the best one
@@guighee7310 and in the process he stripped himself essentially into the same as the frenzied flame
Wanting all to be equal and treated equally
And the frenzied flame isn't really a very big force of good
His intentions were well meaning, but just as an immature child, his methods of going about it were not
Radahn: What happened?
Miquella: I revived you!
Radahn: Where's Leonard?
Miquella: ...
You're MY Leonard now!
Love the idea that Radahn is more or less just trying to get away from a crazy stalker. Clearly this game was set before the invention of the restraining order
Now cometh the Age of the Restraining Order?
MAY COPS TAKE THE WEAPON!!
@@LordKnightBane It appears The Tarnished need to obtain that ending
miquella: ''promise you'll be my consort''
radahn: ''look leonard i crushed that star''
miquella: ''malenia end him''
Miquella couldn't have chosen someone who fits his ideals less. Radahn loves the thrill of battle and waging war, he loves the Golden Order and his heritage and he loves Godfrey and his legacy. Pretty much everything Miquella is going against
Then wouldn’t it also make sense to take control of the personification of your opposition and make them fallow you in the attempt to bring everyone under their banner to your control
I like how Miquella’s three braids and the use of three in his symbolism (the interlocking rings of light, the three discuses he taught to radagon, the three stats raised by his crown) invoke the three fingers. Miquella’s order would be like the flame of frenzy, instead of all things being melted into a indescribable slurry, everything would be made one by Miquella enslaving everyone, making perfect, and total order, where everything would be in endless stasis, forever nascent, much like Miquella himself
Oh I never made those connections-that’s great! I especially like the idea that Miquella’s age of compassion is just a blended together hive mind where All is One. It's also interesting that Miquella's circlet doesn't raise Mind, which governs resistance to Sleep and Madness...
I had thought about this too, miquella's order would be an absolute order, and as such it horseshoes around and becomes no better than chaos
@@kann4915 Knowing that Radahn was reborn without his horse, it horseshoeing around somehow becomes more ironic
Oh if only we had access to that ending
Which means Ranni is still best ending four armed blue mommy for the win
Speaking of Metyr, she could be the root of the corruption at the heart of so many things. It has been speculated that the greater will doesn’t care about what form order takes as indicated by putting forth Malenia as empyrean despite being under influence of an outer god, but I don’t think that’s the case. The Greater Will seems to have abandoned Metyr and thus the fingers that chose empyreans. Metyr constantly trying to contact the Greater Will may have been what attracted outer gods in the first place, or she may even be trying to invite a new god to rule over the order, as Kowtower’s Resentment implies she has become hateful towards the Greater Will that abandoned her. The theme of intergenerational trauma and parents abandoning their children runs deep in the DLC.
That's a great point about the intergenerational trauma! My next video is all about Metyr and how she lost contact with her mother.
@@garrulousgoldmaskit's. Crazy to think that the greater will might not be the POS we all thought, and metyr is the real issue here.
@@Cman04092well only really being an issue because the greater will abandoned her, in a desperate attempt to get the greater will back, she brought, well, all of the problems, but they still stem from the greater Will's actions
@Ytinasniiable that's not fair, merry and the fingers chose how to react to the greater will missing, and who's to say the greater will abandoned then on purpose, and even so, it doesn't excuse these dirty dirty fingers, who cause immense pain and suffering on innocent people who have nothing to do with the greater will.
@@Cman04092 what one does in response to trauma they cannot always be held accountable for
The greater will is one of those uncaring cosmic horror gods that likes to start shit and then ADHD onto something else and ignore the chaos it created when it left
Maybe the real villain of Elden Ring were the incestuous relationships we made along the way.
Yet tarnished still remains maidenless, but nowadays and hopefully for the greater good of between lands 😅
Nah elden ring is just some random mf tryna clean up a royal family fuck up of the ages, literally
It might have been Miquella's curse that caused all of this. The situation with young Radahn sounds awfully close to a child asking their parents to marry them when they grow up and the parent humoring them with "of course, honey." I think Radahn agreed to the vow while assuming that the child would never actually accomplish his goal.
The statue at the Haligtree (with the older brother holding the twins) shows Malenia clearly older than a child (appears to be a preteen), so Miquella might have asked Radahn for this vow while being a preteen and knowing the implications, but Radahn still saw him as a child due to his stunted growth.
In some sense, Radahn may have been correct in his assumption that Miquella was still too naive, because Miquella, being cursed with eternal youth, seemed to have never outgrew his childish mindset and ambitions. Thus, he forced his will on Radahn, who thought he was making a promise that would never come to pass.
Radahn never realized how fearsome and twisted an eternal child with godlike powers could become.
You seem to forget that in the ancient royalty, marriages between family was an everyday matter. It dosen't sound to crazy of them both making that vow, to extinguish the flames of war between Caria and the Golden Order reignited when Radagon leave Renala
There's a vid of showcasing Miquella's 3d model and he has a ring on his right ring finger iirc. So I don't know if Radahn was serious, joking, or pressured to be his consort but the ring is proof I guess that he did proposed and not some off hand promise (Doubt its godwyn's proposal ring since the dlc items described radahn as miquella's wish consort). Then the whole engagement was called off and now the present.
Great video bud - really like the idea about Godwyn, and how the three siblings worked against Miquella.
Thank you so much mate!
This DLC was absolutely stacked with lore revelations! Though I don't think any of them can ever top the majesty of the Albinauric Bloodclot.
Grand to see you here you magnificent madlad!
I have written an analytical essay once or twice for English class, and your work just leaves me astonished every time
Me: OMFG RYKARD WAS A GOOD GUY?!
Rykard: Always has been...TOGETHAAA!!!
That's such a good point re: the dichotomy of "endless war" for Radahn and the concept of an age of compassion.
"Lord brother... promise me you'll be my consort."
I'm beginning to worry for GRRM's sisters
If only Marika invented restraining orders!!
@@DonPetexX Her children needed a protective order against her. 😂
@@cynreiusacari3163 Facts. Marika might be the shittiest mom in all of videogames' history 😂
@@cynreiusacari3163She is the worst mother ever. Let her children live with their dad. The demigod raised by Radagon and Renala turned out good (except rykard but it was way later after he left). And the childen raised with Godfrey were good too (except mogh but that due to how Marika treated him in the first place. The one that were involced with Marika were manipulated, setup, abandoned. She should not have the kids
@@KKKumabruh, mogh was charmed by miquellas, so everything he did was miquellas fault.
Radahn: "I am not gay! i refuse to be Consort to a twink, YOU CANT MAKE ME!"
Malenia: "A little brainrot should fix that"
And she still lost the fight
Lol, I don't think it was about Radahn's sexuality. He just didn't want to be with Miquella
bro needed brain dmg in order to be with miquella
Well if Miquella like his mother has opposite sex other self... Its kinda ooo(and I remember forever youth curse which mean St Trina is Lo..) never mind.
@@bowenjudd1028The two are not mutually exclusive.
It's been my own headcanon too that Godwyn was Miquella's first choice. Miquella had to give up on that due to the eclipse failing though. The boy is every bit as deranged as his mother and just doesn't know when to give up. I also think that his relationship to Malenia isn't as sincere as she believes it to be - much akin to the one with his followers.
As for Mohg, I think he was necessary to enter the land of shadows because he was a demigod AND shows extensive traits of the crucible. That naturally creates a much stronger connection to this realm than his siblings (Morgot sealed his "accursed blood" and thus wasn't viable).
I kinda think the post final fight memory was Miquella talking to Godwyn tbqh. His hands were clasped in prayer, and he was by himself, if he was talking to Radahn I think they would've shown another demigod throne
Also Morgot was really loyal to Marika whereas Mogh wasn't. His ambition probably made him more likely to be charmed, or at least easier
I disagree, Miquella specifically saw radhan as a hero lord like Godfrey and his father
This doesn't make sense at all. The Eclipse Miquella tried to use on Godwyn was to give Godwyn a true death from the soulless monstrosity he had become, which only occurred when Ranni assassinated Godwyn in the Night of the Black Knives, event that cause Marika to shatter the Elden Ring and cause The Shattering period.
Miquella chose Radahn because he was strong and yet kind. You can see that on the item description for Remembrance of a God and a Lord. It reads, and I quote, ''In their childhood, Miquella saw in Radahn a lord. His strength, and his kindness''
Marika is responsible for the biggest atrocities in the story and you're comparing Miquella to her because he charmed Mohg in order to get access to the Land of Shadow? That's a crazy way of thinking to me. Multiple genocides = making some people like you? See how silly that sounds?
''I also think that his relationship to Malenia isn't as sincere as she believes it to be'' This makes zero sense.
''As for Mohg, I think he was necessary to enter the land of shadows because he was a demigod AND shows extensive traits of the crucible. That naturally creates a much stronger connection to this realm than his siblings (Morgot sealed his "accursed blood" and thus wasn't viable).'' I like this part. This is also how I believe how Mohg gained access to the Land of Shadows when it was sealed away by Marika, by being an Omen and by being a child of Marika. Good thought.
@guighee7310 I think it's possible that Miquella could've looked up to Radahn and chose him as his consort, it's just strange that there was absolutely 0 connected between the 2 even hinted at at all in the story. The biggest issue I have canonically with this was what was the reason Radahn took part in the shattering war on his own side and not just join Miquella then to be his consort
“Radahn wants to ride Leonard, not Miquella.” This is art. Pure, unadulterated art.
I don't think Miquella used Mohg for the formless mother, I think it was because Mohg is an omen who are touched by the crucible. The Omen cannot return to the Erdtree where all spirits of the lands between go after death as seen with Erdtree burial and spirit summons. Those devoid of grace, who cannot return to the Erdtree are sent to the Land of Shadow to be killed by Messmer. Omens relate to the hornsent too who are more close to the crucible and even have the gate of divinity. The blood ritual Mohg conducted under Miquella's influence is probably the thing that allowed him to enter the Land of Shadow.
Also Miquella’s order is opposed to Ranni in a more thematic/character driven sense. Miquella basically wants to be Marika 2 electric boogaloo, but has given no indication for him being any different. And to Ranni, him “stealing” Radahn might be the same to her as Marika stealing Radagon from Rennala, a potential source of her trauma/motivations. She would not want her family to be stolen again. Ranni clearly values genuine attachment to people given her questline and ending, not forcing us to serve/wed her. In addition, Ranni’s order of stars would exist but she would be unknown to the lands between. Miquella specifically wants to be known, he cannot mind-control people through affections, if he is unknown. They even use different domains of sorceries vs incantations.
Ofc radahn doesn't want to ride his brother, but his horse, and he doesn't want him on his shoulder, but his cat.
That cat could have been his Serosh!
@@garrulousgoldmask yap + The video was great as usual, keep going 💜.
Twinks commanding the hearts of gigachads? Tale as old as time.
Radahn did something stupid when he was young and deeply regretted it. Very relatable lmao
"Rahdan wants to ride Leonard, not Miquella." I need a shirt that says this. I cackled so hard.
Thats why i choose goldmask ending as the best, if the gods are no better than men, let men rule its own world, making ansbach wish reality, ruling the world for men not for the gods. Great vid goldmask, im eager for more dlc lore. Take care
Good choice. I chose ranni's ending, as i am inclined to put ratio before faith. Ranni's godhood is removing herself from lands between, letting natural courses to go as it goes. It was neither good nor bad, love how rational that is
@@tegar.wicaksonooGlad to see a fellow based Indonesian here
I think Ranni's ending is better in that sense, it is practically the same ending but this time there are no lords or gods directing anything, when Ranni and the Tarnished become god and lord they leave, leaving each one in the lands between have their own will and choose their own destiny.
@@Basthor_1 My problem with Ranni’s ending is: 1-Ranni herself, bc of her godwyn and fortisax are in eternal suffering (No the ends don’t justify the means, we saw that with miquella)
2- The age of stars take care of the gods problem, but what about the ppl ? Men can be as evil and twisted as any god, just with less destructive power. When we take the order from the lands between we leave it in a anarchic state (the absence of order is chaos or mayhem), a lawless land where there is no major power to enforce the law to protect the weak against the worst human kind can offer or against demi-humans or misbegotten, there is also a power vaccum as well, so a tyrant could take over and make life there more miserable than before. Men can slave its own kind and make the most atrocious things of it, the gods are like 60% of the problem, the other 40% is ppl, thats why the elden lord ending is the best for me, not only we stop the gods from meddling with the Elden Ring, but we are the law, the major power that that can be a beacon of hope to the weak and defenseless.
"Righteous Tarnished, become a lord, not for gods, but for all men." - Sir Ansbach.
Best character in the game and someone we can’t let down.
In my view, I thought when Miquela says "I am going to be a god", he sounds as if he does not want to and believe it, but must to to "save" the world.
How come no one’s talking about Miquella’s 4 arms on Radahns back. Just like Ranni
It’s what happens when you’re an empyrean
@@FirstnameLastname-tl1bqMalenia is empyrean and only has 2 arms. Technically 1 arm 🤷♂️
And he even says let’s go on a thousand year voyage
@@FirstnameLastname-tl1bq that doesn't really make sense because she is a doll, and her doll is fashioned after her witch mentor who was not Empyrean to my knowledge. None of her siblings except Miquella has four arms.
Also Ranni's true body has only 2.
@@drazzytime9353 they may also be empyrean but are they really acting on it? Does the game really treat them the same? Miquella’s age of compassion and the diametrically opposed Ranni with her age of isolation are the only demigods with a real shot at winning
So the true villain of Elden Ring was Miquella.
What a twist!
And Marika
And Ranni
@@Androtesh 85% of the cast
@Androtesh Ranni is innocent, maybe you like living under someone's thumb and be controlled by otherworldly beings
@@TheGoldenMan888 tell that to Godwyn.
Something else interesting to point out too aside Goldmask and Ranni’s ending be valid is the Hornsent further expands on the implications of Dung Eater’s Fell Curse ending. The DLC added more room on what ending you choose to pick from and results thereafter in greater context.
Definitely! The connections between the Hornsent, the Omen, and the LOATHSOME DUNG EATER are really fascinating and something I'm planning to explore!
@@garrulousgoldmask I always assume that because the Elden Stars is an Erdtree incantation, then the crucible is derived of the Elden Beast therefore the Omen are a natural part of the Order of things. What Dung Eater was implanting was simply a deviant interpretation that he has no real connection too. Now however the Hornset appear as a precursor to Dung Eaters torture methods as a godly saint act.
I picked the death mending rune because I wanted to fix a land where nobody could die with all those decrepit zombie like aristocrats and whatnot, and also to correct Godwyn's fate that got destroyed by Ranni and the growing influence in the land from his living body festering and corrupting everything.
But the ending didn't give any clue to what would change (aside from the concept of death being back, even for the undead), nor what it did for Godwyn.
And the Shadow of the Erdtree is supposed to be an entire realm entirely, yet there were two differents area with Godwyn's cloned face in it and it was full of "Those who live in death" which is quite surprising, but no mention of Godwyn at all in the DLC I'm so sad that this whole thing is left open ended and as a mystery :(
@@Lamren that’s disappointing I wished they did expand on aspects of Those who Live in Death
Gotta say dude, I think you nailed it with your interpretation of all the jumbled lore from this DLC. And yeah, I’m convinced that Goldmask’s ending is the superior one, even if our waifu is essentially a lifeless broken mannequin that was once Marika.
@mistahanansi2264 we deserved the chance to establish Radagon as the new god! The man has interests in academia, smithing/building, and being a good dad that also understands the importance of order. 😂
Melena > Ranni
@@cynreiusacari3163I'm not sure about "Being a good dad" dude, last time I check dude bred 3 child with a foreign woman then left them for selfcest, ultimately made her chronologically insane and his 3 children has daddy issues
@@cynreiusacari3163Isn't it implied that its sort of his fault that the Golden Order was so oppressive?
@@crow3958 until we hear his side of the story he gets the benefit of the doubt for ditching Rennala. All three were accepted and I would even argue sane despite being disgusted with the order in the case of Ranni & Rykard. It would be great if we were given more information about Rykard pre-shattering, he appeared to fulfill all his duties and responsibilities regardless.
Ranni only cares about Ranni and is happy to murder anyone to get her way. I lean towards her being an experiment with the amber egg to account for her empyrean status. She seems emotionally detached from everyone else and doesn’t even have a picture of any family member in her tower. Yes, there’s the item about Rennala and her looking at the moon but it’s likely the affection is mostly one sided.
Radahn is interesting and the most similar to Radagon. While he was infatuated with the tales of heroes and war to the point he would excel he is also interested in academia. Any battles he participates in likely have clear objectives and few civilian casualties unless a purge is ordered. Even then he’s likely to pass the buck onto someone else or whoever is giving the order wouldn’t ask. Out of all of the demigod children only Godwyn and Rahdahn seemed not to mind being stepchildren and willing to interact with any of them.
One thing to note is we know rykard was essentially trying to usurp the gods himself. How exactly we know now. The cave he lives in is lined to the brim with the same corpse-like structures as the gate of divinity. I believe rykard was trying to become a god by building his own version of that gate.
this is an interesting insight
although i still think rykard's plan for usurping the gods was probably just the very simple one he tells the player: he's just gonna eat them
What freija failed to understand is that her being accursed with scarlet rot was miquaelas fault in the first place.
I totally agree that Radahn stopped the stars with Ranni's knowledge. I like to think that he did it to buy her time to figure out how to get rid of Miquella. Radahn knows his strengths and the strengths of his siblings, wholeheartedly. What if Godwyn also had to go because he was too much of a variable for them?
So Radahn is even MORE badass than we previously thought! What a gigachad!
@@thedukeofchutney468The ultimate gigachad, "I'M GONNA TANK TIME ITSELF"
I personally think that radahn stopped the stars so he could halt his own fate with miquella, and ranni being affected was just a side benefit. Outside of ranni just trying to establish her own order, we don’t really see her explicitly trying to stop miquella. Also, we don’t really have evidence that radahn wanted there to be a change in the order, especially given he practically worshipped radagon and Godfrey, the 2 mascots of the golden order. However, godwyns death could have occurred so miquella didn’t get his first choice in a consort (presumably), but I don’t see any affirmative evidence for either godwyn being miquellas first choice, or that this was why godwyn was killed by ranni.
Miquella at the Divine Gate: "I am stuck My Lord Step Bro"
~Radahn wants to ride Leonard, not Miquella~
Best sentence of the video
"Woahhhhh, what are you trying to do to me, step-bro?" -rahdan, probably
I think miquella sounds scared
As an old Scholar once said "Young Hollow, there are but two paths. Inherit the order of this world, or destroy it. These are the roots of our world. But only a true monarch can make such a choice. Peace grants men the illusion of life. Shackled by falsehoods, they yearn for love, unaware of its grand illusion. These are the roots of our world. Men are props on the stage of life, and no matter how tender, how exquisite...A lie will remain a lie." -Never thought quotes from Dark souls 2 would fit so well in Elden Ring-
Miquella is very clear of his intentions
Not I'll help the world not I'll teach them
I'll make them
"I'll make the world a more gentle place"
"There is nothing more terrifying "
It's really incredible that redahn held back the stars but was powerless to a eternal child
And he is absolutely still very immature in his mind
Making Miquella , with a child's mind , a literal god
He is truly the most fearsome empyrean😮
8:28 if you think about it, it's true horror all your family and friends, people you love, turn on you, cause they love miquella more ( a stranger)
You forgot to point out that Malenia beeing Fujoshi was forshadowed by her beeing a literal rotten woman.
Damn you right.
@@Soulute367HA
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don't do my fujosisters like that
Rykard makes sense as well. He was the nuclear option. Able to devour the very gods! All three carian children were trying to prevent their half brother’s reign of terror.
"Radahn wants to ride Leonard, not Miquella." 😂
Miazaki writing the lore for DLC: take everything the community has thought up and turn it upside down
you forgot to mention ansbarch's dialogue when he dies during the radahn boss fight, asking for the player to usher in an age for men rather than gods.
Miquella doesn't sound excited to me in that scene. He sounds scared. Terrified yet, accepting. Prepared.
1:40 I always find it funny how people can look at Starscourge Radahn, a selfish and power-hungry warmonger idolizing a similarly warmongering past, and conclude that he is a noble and generous hero despite all evidence to the contrary.
Even the care for Leonard has a self-centered foundation. If it was actually motivated by a selfless desire to take care of him, he would've gotten the horse a retirement plan and grabbed a magical chariot or something. Learning gravity magic to continue to ride Leonard is a manifestation of the same character flaw that led to him holding back the stars. That being his inability to let go of a past and status quo that he was sentimentally attached to and held an undue reverence for.
I don’t know about that, he’s described as kind and being much more than a warrior - which is why Miquella wanted him and thusly why he rejected Miquella
Yeah I am very surprised at this reputation people keep attributing to Radahn. He is a warmonger, corrupted by the Great Rune. You can see how rotten he had become in the story trailer of the base game. He looks demonic.
What is this "all evidence" you speak of? I doubt he would be loved so much if he was just power hungry and violent.
He's cool and a baddass.
Probably but comparing him to everyone else he is a saint.
I find it funny how now we know the GW was never behind anything and everything bad thing the GO did was Marikas/Radagon and the Fingers' fault.
I do believe your interpretation of Radahn's actions is correct. The description for the Light of Miquella incantation says that Miquella found one who refused to be embraced. Honestly Radahn has now transcended his idol Godfrey in my eyes as the true Chad, because it seems he was bewitched, and yet somehow broke free of Miquella's mind control, the first and probably only person to have done so
@kreigsmachine4050 Radahn has a good head on his shoulders like his father.
"the one who refused to be embraced" could also refer to our hero, John Eldenring
"the one who refused to be embraced is refer to the tarnished
I like how everyone overlook one simple aspect of Miquela "monstrosity".
He is a threat only to gods and great heroes. 99% of population is ALREADY subjugated to a greater beings and have zero will, choice, and say. More on that if they have rebellious streak they would be brutally forced in line with pain and suffering... And Miquela will just say them "hey, don't do that" and that's it.
So, from the perspective of those zombie like creatures ( we kill in droves all the time, btw) we are the bad guy, refusing to grant them peaceful subjugation, instead of brutal one, for the selfish reasons.
It's so fascinating,
I have a theory about a REAL SECRET ENDING, DO THE FOLLOWING
1. Make it here.
2. Get Radhan to his 2nd phase.
3. Get your heart stolen by Miquella to receive the the gesture (Get grabbed by Miquella twice).
4. Once you die and respawn get Radhan to his 2nd phase again.
5. Get grabbed by Miquella once more and there will be a sigil above your head and then do the emote.
What happens
What happens
@@Khann_2102 idk it’s a theory but I’m pretty sure it’s a different ending like at the end of the dlc trailer where Miquella was glowing but I could be wrong but in my opinion they just wouldn’t get you a gesture like that without something coming with it but I’ll test that out when I get to him
I just realize something. Ranni had Godwyn killed.
If Miquella refers to Godwyn as "Lord brother"
Perhaps Ranni is sparing Godwyn from becoming a slave to Miquella
is the true and ranni is miquella and the part male of miquella is godwin and malenia say same things after you kill her
I don't think so ranni only killed him as part of her plan.
These words haunt me, could it be that Mikella did not say this with good intentions?
Miquella is referring to Radahn, not Godwyn
@@guighee7310
he also addresses Godwyn this way if you read the description of Golden Epitaph
I like to imagine Miquella’s motivations are similar to CC from Code Geass. She too has an ability that causes anyone to love him/her. Maybe Radahn was so strong in heart and mind that he was able to resist Miquella. From Miquella’s perspective that would be a very interesting and captivating person
Cut dialogue of Miquella, has him say that he wants all things (benign and MALIGN) to flourish, that, to me already sounded the alarm bells.
But ultimately, I look at it through the lenses of Miquella being a thousand+ years old genius, yes, but still a child with underdeveloped brain, his age of compassion goes against your entire will to power quest, culminating with burning Leyndell and all its inhabitants just to complete your quest.
We’d all want an age like the one Miquella proposes, but life is more complex than that, and sometimes, you have to make hard choices, and that’s the burden Saint Trina was speaking of.
That said, I disagree that Radahn and Ranni were working together, Radahn wanted the throne for himself, before he was stopped by Morgott, and Ranni didn’t have much to say, after her brother’s demise, you’d think she’d be sad, that her brother and ally was out of his misery, unless they were working for different goals.
Why wouldn't he?
He's tall, well mannered according to lore, comes from a rich family, is strong and is also a man with a huge academic accomplishments, very inteligent. He's a catch❤
How interesting that ranni’s plot had a secondary unmentioned purpose. Now it makes sense why she specifically chose godywn for the ritual knowing that can possibly stop miquella from being a god and with what we know about radhan holding the stars makes perfect sense.
7:18 don’t forget Rykard and his blasphemy would also be stopped with the stars stasis. Would also also say if Rahdan wanted execet the vow after becoming the star scourge, his stagnant fate probably wouldn’t allow him to, or Sussecfuly become a lord. He may not even callable release his hold of the stars without outside intervention as he lacks a fate to unclench. Thamaticly, The only major thing that changed about Radeon after getting the rot was losing sentience.
“We CHOOSE to simp after Rani”
Now why did you have to call me out like that, dude? I mean, it’s true, but I wasn’t expecting it 😂😂😂
Great video btw!
This seems like the kind of thing that works in a lot of ways in hindsight, but should really have had a bit more setup. Fromsoft excels at giving you most of the puzzle pieces and still shocking you with the final shape of it, and I think this was a case where we were missing too many pieces to feel that sense of “wow, how could I not have guessed?!”
First, we got Gwyndolin, and now we have Miquella. Just the best bois
I think Mogh was neededed because afflicted with the Hornsent of Omens. Though they have similarities the Omen have uncontrollable growing horns but I think this also gave them a connection to the Lands of Shadows. Morgott would have likely also been suitable but I think Mogh was an easier target.
Yeah, the connections between the Hornsent and the Omenare really fascinating. And now that you mention it, since Morgott was the Veiled Monarch I don't think Miquella or the other demigods knew that Morgott was an Omen (or only found after Mohg was enchanted anyway).
I don't think Miquella sounds excited when he says "I'm going to be a god", nor do I think it was due to the two fingers. He sounded sad, and I think this scene was after he determined that it was what he had to do.
Considering Radahn is a true warrior, the most likely explanation is that he would only willingly become Miquella’s consort if he defeated him in combat, thus proving himself worthy of Radhan (thus honouring their vow, which likely has conditions like most agreements). Thus, Miquella sends Malenia, his blade (blades are weapons/“extensions” of their lords and thus serves as his proxy) and his twin to defeat him.
Miquella isn’t a child. He was cursed with eternal youth but mentally he’s an adult. He’s fully aware of what he’s doing.
I think Miquella explains how one ascends to godhood and explain the dual gender identity thing. Throughout the journey we trace Miquella abandon his flesh, identity, mortality, love, etc. What’s left is he turns to an embodiment of concept/entity. In this case he’s a loving concept. Using the power of love to govern godhood.
I think that the way Miquella and other characters talk about a “vow” taken between him and Radahn, makes me believe that Radahn actually agreed at first about being his consort. It would make senses for him to agreed bc at first Miquella was also a big follower of the Golden Order, and why wouldn’t Radahn want to become a Lord like his idols? So the vow would be if Miquella becomes a god, Radahn would be his consort: “Now, the vow will be honoured, and my Lord brother's soul will return.
So that he may be my consort.”
But after that Miquella lost faith and left the Golden Order, trying to start his own faith and Radahn was not willing to be his consort and going against the Golden Order.
The final memory of the dlc, Miquella has a pleading tone to his voice, looks like he is trying to convince Radahn that the new world and new faith he wants to create will be a good thing, more kind than the current “I'll make the world a gentler place”.
It would make more sense why Miquella send Malenia to forcefully kill him, and even called Radahn “promised consort”, instead of going for another willing candidate: Miquella was attached to the promised Radahn had made, hoping Radahn would change his mind ou be force to go through his promised. If he was straight up denied from the beginning this fixation wouldn’t make a lot of sense (and we see that Miquella can become fixated in promises, like giving Godwyn a true death or healing his sister, going to great lengths to try fulfill them)
when Radahn pulled up without Leonard I just knew it he wasn't himself. :(
I loved the idea of the three siblings trying to fight Miquella, and our act of "simp" that determine the ending 😂
If you have to call someone with the kind in front every chance you get, that someone is probably the opposite of 'kind'.
Interesting that I interpreted Miquella's "I'm going to become a god" very differently. To me he sounds extremely scared rather than excited, for he likely knows what becoming a God entails, which is why all of his actions have a very strong sense of desperation to not follow exactly Marika's footsteps. Posting my little twitter rant I had about this:
Miquella literally takes us on assuming we're Marika's champion here to preserve her Godhood over his. Man's aware he's being hunted by us and is likely rushing things. Literally first time we get to see another agent in the world progress it's state without our direct involvement when the rune shatters, that's how hot on his trail we are, and we're canonically fiending to murder him since we're trying to become Lord. We're prime Godfrey hunting the Fell-God because the pretty woman of our choice told us we need to to be king. While he's not perfectly rational, I think people are overselling the "dumbness" of his actions.
Namely that, he's following Marika's footsteps as much as possible, because as far as we and anyone else can tell, these are unnegotiable steps to transmogrifying one's "mortal" self into a God. He's operating under the principle that HAS to perform these steps to get to his goal. The failed Haligtree probably cemented this fact for him, that there were no shortcuts. It's clear to me at least that he's doing everything in his power to cause a different outcome while under these very strict restraints.
Namely his consort choice is a very significant factor, but also the interactions with his followers paint a more interesting tale. One description that stuck out to me was the emphasis on Miquella uncompromisingly choosing Radahn for his kindness rather than the usual criteria which is "strongest homeless man available" that Marika used for vengeance. Radahn's kindness & non-physical strength was so particularly unique in the world to Miquella that he refused to even consider any other option even after all the years, instead making this very extreme plan to make sure Radahn was the consort because it was the only chance for the kind world he hoped for to come to pass after he would be forced to abandon all of his own humanity.
Radahn's gravity magic I believe plays a huge role in this. Miq didn't want Ranni's ending, because the destiny of the stars is still a destiny. By combing Miq's severing from Marika's order & the greater will, Miq's use of unalloyed gold to resist influence of other outer gods, & Radahn's ability to halt the fate of the Stars, Miq truly could create his ideal world as free from these external actors as much as possible while also potentially being able to revive Godwyn now that the Eclipse can be pretty much toggled with control of the celestial bodies. I know it may seem like Miquella is just another God for the greater will, but he very clearly views you as a holdover/champion of the older order & since all the vessels for the Greater Will have to arrive via starfall, Radahn's gravity abilities allow for him to cut off any subsequent Elden Beast/Fingers from landing.
Miquella sounding excited he was going to be a god in the memory? Really? I feel like he rather clearly sounded terrified, and this is backed up by his crosses which show the feelings he had to leave behind to become a god, such as his doubt, vascillation and love. The final cross at Enir-Ilim's Spiral Rise emphasizes it even more so, stating "I abandon here all my fear." I think Miquella wanted Radahn to be with him because of his fear, and what he would lose by becoming a deity (as we see from Saint Trina's questline and her desire for him to be slain), drawing from his childlike disposition. Miquella was afraid, but foolishly pushed forward anyway, compelling those around him and losing his humanity in the process.
Edit: In general, while your interpretations are pretty interesting and valid, I do think it leans a bit too much into everything being a conspiracy of Miquella's or everyone being against him, which these lore figures are usually a bit more grey than that, both in Souls games generally and with GRRM's characterization style. We're not even really sure Radahn was controlled or whether he just wanted a pact of being beaten by Malenia in battle to occur before agreeing, it's purposefully left unclear. Miquella obviously errs in becoming a god, but he's not this evil mastermind either, I feel.
The fate of the Carian royal family is guided by the stars. - Radan just wanted to escape being Mic consort
Wait the hornsent were gods, hmmm so in the end there were plenty of bodies for the godskins not just Marika's children, well thats good to know i didn't think the Divine wall thing was made by the hornsent
I never thought about it that way but that would make a lot of sense!
No the hornsent aren’t gods they worship the Crucible (they are pagans) trying to make a god by using Merika’s people the Shaman, thats what you find in the Gaol in Bonny village
they are described as having "tutelary deities" who it appears once lived among them in some form, and (lore from the ascetic outfit) it was apparently possible to become one from being an ordinary hornsent
there's also the unspecified*divinity " the grandma calls on to inhabit the lion that may or may not exist
finally she's also apparently an Empyrean, so hornsent have at least the potential to become Marika style capital-G Gods
so they've got a lot going on religiously speaking
Not quite all of them, but someone had the potential, think of it as the concept of apotheosis, with some Roman Emperors becoming Gods after death
I think compassion and a "making the world a gentlier place" is not as incompatible with endless war by historical precedents. All the Holy Wars, and christianity in particular (by the similarities in the philosophical views of Miquella and Christ) are a great example. They don't say "peaceful", but can be interpreted as a gentiler place where the meek are under a single regime (ending all other political rivals) and suffering is met with a compasionate death (maybe Miquella can compel ending one's life if he wants). The war is against anyone with a disenting opinion, much like Marika's age
Also, Radahn is Carian, so by stoping the stars he delayed his own fate. I think if the vow with Miquella was fated by the stars, he could not stop the stasis even if he wanted, locking himself in a status quo only releaseable by death. Following this, a crackpot theory is that Miquella ordered Milenia to weaken/kill Radahn so he can fulfill his vow.
You're proposing that Radahn was raised as a member of the Carian royal family and then went on to do extensive additional study of gravity magic, and yet he never at any point managed to understand the interactions between the stars and the fates of the Carian royals? That just portrays Radahn as incompetent. I don't think FromSoftware is intending to portray him as incompetent.
This makes very much sense, and also makes me think that Godwin must have been just as strong, if not stronger than Radan
3:48 Half-Brother* since both are fathered by Radagon
Radahn and Miquella are half brothers, not step brothers
If I had a nickel for every time an infirm prince piggybacked off his brother in a FromSoft game, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice, right?
8:59 exactly you’re absolutely right. I don’t know why people still obsess over Griffith comparison.
Miquella terrifying in his own right but he’s far from his Berzerk comparison.
People forget that Miquella is still mainly a George RR Martin character with a slight Miyazaki alteration.
I personally didn’t like radahn being the last boss. I should’ve been just miquella
Imagine seeing an enemy army
And it's commanded by both Radahn and Malenia...
Wouldn't rannis ending be better? Because she frees the universe from the gods rather than just the lands between.
Your theories just made things click in my mind. Great video, need more!
Fantastic video! Love the point about the circlet on the statue being possible evidence that Radahn was charmed. Keep up the great work!
As an Omen Mohg and Morgott are able to access the land of shadow. We know this through some of the Hornsent stuff.
Making the world a gentler place through religious subjugation usually involves endless war
But I don't think miquella truly understands this, it's why st Trina refers to godhood for miquella as a cage; the road to hell is paved with good intentions
Just my own two cents
I wonder if the real reason for Radahn to challenge the stars was to halt his own fate as a Carian royal. After realizing the implications of his vow to Miquella, and seeing the effects of the mind control abilities in the hands of someone so childish, the only way to get away from his vow would be to lock his own fate as promised consort away.
Radahn wanted it. He was a kind man. He had to die to have his body put into an omen to disconnect himself from the erdtree. This is why he made Jerren vow to give him a death. He wanted to be a Consort like both his role models, what greater honor/glory then starting a new order. I think people just don't like the fact that they're working against their favorite character lmao
I personally don’t think the person in the statue is radahn, godwyn still seems like the better choice about the statue
Ranni and Radahn were definitely apposed to each other, Radahn was a golden order fanboy(at least by association) and Blaidd leaves a message at the entrance to Nokron where the meteor struck saying something like "So the traitor's dead then, onwards to the path of Nokron." Jerren being on good terms with Iji kinda makes sense, Iji probably convinced Jerren to do the festival and many of Ranni's allies help in it too. I don't know how long Jerren served Radahn but he might've been planted as a spy just after he halted the stars.
Goldmask’s Age of Order being the “best” ending was my interpretation after the DLC as well!
The theory about Radahn is interesting, but the problem is that if Radahn was charmed, then he wouldn't really hold back the stars to avoid his fate or try to get away from Miquella. The whole point of Miquella's charm ability is that no one can resist it. Moreover, Miquella asks about honoring "our part of the vow", so we don't really know what the vow was, but it was certainly made before the cutscene. If Radahn was charmed, what would be the point of a vow and questioning about it? I think Radahn had probably made this vow of his own accord, but then decided he wouldn't honor his part. He also had an "honorable death" vow with Jerren, so I'm not sure if Radahn really sought "endless war". He got to die "honorably" and then he'd join Miquella in ushering in the "gentle" age. It's still kinda funny to me that Miquella chose Radahn though. Like, Rykard going the blasphemy route sounds more in-line with Miquella's goals, or Godwyn being merciful even to his enemies and saving and befriending them.
I also still think the statue is Godwyn. Radahn wears his hair braided, Godwyn has his loose in the opening credits/story trailer for the base game the way the statue does. Also, Godwyn's corpse in Leyndell has a weird fan-like growth on where his forehead ought to be, so that _might_ be an indication that he wore a circlet in life. While maybe FromSoft gave the statue an incorrect hairstyle for the sake of obfuscation, they are normally very intentional with keeping identifying markers consistent because the lore and story is obscure enough as is, so no need to misdirect players like that. I do like your idea with the circlet on the statue showcasing being charmed though, that's a very interesting detail. Malenia also has a similar circlet in the two statues that we have of her, so I wonder if she too is (and has always been) charmed by Miquella. Maybe that's why she is so utterly devoted to him (which is really sad if true). Maybe that's why she didn't seek to become a god unlike Miquella and Ranni. I also like the idea that maybe Godwyn's resurrection didn't work because of Radahn keeping the stars motionless. It could also be because of Ranni's association with the moon. She is the one who killed Godwyn after all, and an eclipse requires the moon.
As for Ranni, there are a couple interesting things. Ranni was mentored by the Snow Witch and her doll body is supposedly modelled after this mentor. In his god form, Miquella has four arms instead of his normal two in the cutscene, and his hair is wild and unbraided and spills off his back in a way that really looks like Ranni's shaggy coat. The Haligtree where Miquella spent a good chunk of his time is located in the Consecrated Snowfield. Also, we know that Miquella has a female self in the form of St. Trina. Moreover, in the arts for the DLC, Miquella rides Torrent, and Ranni was entrusted with a bell from Torrent's former master to be given to the next owner. I think Miquella was Torrent's master. As such, I believe the Snow Witch was in fact Miquella (or St. Trina). I wonder what it means if Ranni was in fact secretly mentored by Miquella. In a way, both her and Miquella wanted the same thing.
Another thing is with the moon and the stars. Ymir apparently left his allegiance to the moon because "it's just the closest celestial body, nothing more". We also find out that the Greater Will has peaced out long ago and the Fingers aren't even able to communicate with it. But then we have the idea of the Dark Moon and how the Snow Witch taught Ranni to fear it. Could the moon/Dark Moon be an outer god too? So what does it really mean that Ranni wants to bring about an Age of Stars under the guidance of the moon and keep away the influence of the Greater Will? Specially when beings like Astel, Metyr and the Elden Beast are all stars, and the stars presumably influence the "fate" of people? Ymir further claims that all people are made of stardust (I mean, technically true in our world too) and are therefore the children of the Greater Will as well. I think the character of Ymir brings a lot of interesting implications to Ranni's ending and perhaps explain why it is called the Age of Stars (people = stars), and of course provides ties too with your idea that Ranni knows about Metyr (though maybe she was talking about the Greater Will and didn't know about Metyr at all). Also, if the Fingers are winging it, does it mean _anyone_ can become a "god"? Why do gods need consorts? Who/what set these rules?
*Obviously Spoilers*
Great video as always!
I think my favorite part of the DLC's ending is how it dismisses the concern people had about Goldmask as someone who wanted to take away free will. We clearly see that it is in fact Miquella who is dominating peoples minds and stripping them of their free will. Goldmask just wants the Gods to quit messing with the configuration of the elden ring. My preferred ending 😊
One of the aspects of the new lore I'm very excited to see unpacked more is all of the new information we've learned about the GW, the fingers (in general), the Two Fingers (in particular), and Metyr. While in typical FromSoft fashion they've left much of this new lore deliberately vauge, they actually gave us much more insight through the DLC into these topics than I expected they would. The biggest open question for me is what the relationship between Metyr and the GW historically was versus what it is today. Do we assume that she is (was) actually I'm contact with the GW, or was it all a ruse from the start and all the direction of the Fingers has been operating on Metyr's assumption of what the GW would want. Ymir certainly believes that Marika's Order and the fingers that guided her were rotten from the start (he also mentions that Miquella's bloodline is mired in Madness! Possible connection with Midra's manse?). Can't wait to hear your further thoughts!
Thank you so much! I'm so glad Mohg wasn't the only one who finally beat the allegations 😂
And my next video is all about Metyr!
@@garrulousgoldmask Can't wait to hear your thoughts!
At this point i dont even see the story as the immediate characters or world. Instead insee it all as a representation of something we all have within us.
A very Jungian story indeed
I disagree with your interpretation about Goldmask's ending, he just doubled down on Marika's original plan before the shattering and restored the "perfect" golden order.
Mohg kidnapping Miquella being incorrect is so much similar to Rhaegar from GOT kidnapping Lyanna Stark it was widely considered that both mohg and rhaegar were bad guys but it turns out to be false when the truth is revealed
Its also possible that miquella helped orchestrate the night of the black knives. Its possible he wanted godwyns body to house radahns soul. But the death curse rotted and malformed his body, and made it unusable for miquellas purposes
I also thought it was the snail Balteus.
im still on the fence of whether or not Radahn was or wasnt charmed, and i think its left rather ambiguous on purpose tbh. Why make a vow at all if all you were going to do was charm him anyways? HOWEVER one must also ask if Radahn would be down for nuking Caelid. I think the state of Radahns willingness in all of this is left open. Personally im partial to Radahn being a totally willing member of this whole plan. Radahns own motivations for much of the game is simply not known, and everyone seems to have a different idea as to the kind of person he was.
To some he was a warmonger, who craved battle, to others he was kind and just. the truth is likely somewhere in the middle.
I still want to fight Godwyn
I always wondered why Malenia went to war with Radahn. People were speculating for his great rune, but immediately post the interesting observation that she never took it from other rune carriers. Welp, we now know it was because there was a big connection between her, Miquella and Radahn. Which is way cool man.